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  220.  @paulb8030  Taxing the rich and providing social services is one start, collective bargaining through unions is another, but for me I see worker cooperative as a foundational aspect of building a new economy. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  377. ​​​ @darkdan3379 It's always a transfer of wealth. Everyday capitalism is a plutocratic transfer of wealth. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other. The disenfranchisement of individuals ability to make decisions about the institutions that they live their lives in, through the legal separation of power of absentee ownership from its users/members. Building socially equitable democratic institutions that empower individuals at local levels, are opposed to far off absentee orders, decreasing inequality while increasing freedom.
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  382. We can't just break them up, we have to change the way they are structured; we need economic democracy. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  429.  @vidiveniviciDCLXVI  Wrong- socialism doesn't mean "muh government". Plenty of socialists from George Orwell and Martin Luther King jr both talk about the evils of capitalism and how it needs to be supplanted by socialism to create equality for workers. Both George Orwell and Martin Luther King jr were democratic socialist, by that I mean a reformist view to get rid of private property and allow workers to control the means of production. You can see in these quotes MLK Jr was against communism and against capitalism, but supported democratic socialist ideals, which is more in the vein of Robert Owen rather than Marx. “Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.” – Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967. “Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.” – Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961. As a Democratic socialist I find it pretty annoying that you think you can tell me what my ideology is. I've done a lot of research on the philosophical background of the idea, and it sure as hell isn't Nordic social democracy. Thanks for trying, maybe actually research things before you start arguing about them; "Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that supports political democracy and some form of a socially owned economy,[1] with a particular emphasis on economic democracy, workplace democracy, and workers' self-management[2] within a market socialist economy, or an alternative form of decentralised planned socialist economy.[3] Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedom, equality, and solidarity and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realisation of a socialist society.[4] Although most democratic socialists seek a gradual transition to socialism,[5] democratic socialism can support either revolutionary or reformist politics as means to establish socialism.[6] Democratic socialism was popularized by socialists who were opposed to the backsliding towards a one-party state in the Soviet Union and other nations during the 20th century.[7]"
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  556. We need to internalize these negative externalities! Creating institutions that decrease negative externalities and give communities autonomy is incredibly important. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  557. 🤦🏼 It's literally a pro-union channel. Unions are one form of actionable solution- so don't act like there aren't solutions provided within the context of this channel. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  640. ​​ @causticgastrap2835 Thank you very much! If you don't mind me sharing one possible solution that I found, I don't mean to monologue but I've thought a lot about this stuff. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  646. Socialism with moderate government. Cooperatives and other democratic non-governmental institutions can help build the economic backbone without everything being government-owned. Workers should control the means of production, not unelected government bureaucrats. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  692. ​ @hydromic2518  First of all capitalism is a terrible system. "Why?" You may ask, well wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership" and employing someone is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other. Which is where socialism comes in. Socialism creates worker and community control of the means production which empowers workers to control the full product of their labor. For this reason capitalism cannot coexist with socialism because socialism is the abolishment of private property and the exploitation of people through wage labor.
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  706.  @willnitschke  Then why is it that Noam Chomsky is a socialist and an anarchist (he is a anarcho-syndicalist)? I'm no anarchist, but it should be clear that socialist ideas are economic concepts and not tied to the presupposition of government. Socialism is a collectivist ideology, which some do advocate/ utilize the government to enact collectivist ideas, but it is not a necessity. Socialism is worker control of the means of production; It is inherently democratic as each worker gets a say in their own work place, as well as replacing landlords with resident or collective controlled housing. No one said an advocacy of democratic socialism was voting out democracy, like fascism does. In fact, it is completely the opposite, democratic socialism is the voting in of political and economic democracy. It operates on a political landscape of democratic lawmaking, as well as the means of production being controlled democratically. This is in contrast to Marxist-leninist vanguardist socialism, which believes a small group of authoritarians can force the change to democratic economics- But the authoritarians usually don't want to let go of power and let democracy take hold. Democratic socialism is a bottom up structuring of socialism, not by a group of strongmen, but democratic populism. Most of the democratic community-minded institutions that I believe democratic socialism would utilize are non-government groups, like modern capitalism uses for-profit shareholder corporations. Some of which are co-ops/ credit unions, collectives, trade unions, and community land trusts. Of course, democratic socialists also believe in utilizing municipalities as well as federal agencies when it is necessary... Kind of similar to today's economy where there are a mixture of largely non-government groups with governmental regulations and agencies, except people get more of a say in how the world works. Capitalism is inherently anti-democratic as it gives those with more wealth more "votes" than those with less wealth. You need to look no further than how most corporate shareholders receive not one vote per person, but one vote per share. More shares you own, the more votes you have- some share classes don't even have votes. Socialism, in an ideological sense, is bringing democracy to the economy, not to shareholders but to the people who work and live in these spaces.
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  748.  @jbturtle  The economic exploitation under capitalism is twofold, firstly they alienate decision making from the people who are doing the tasks. This division of decision making from material consequence is a prime factor in negative externalities associated with authority. But the primary economic extraction of value comes from renting people out and then pocketing the change. Profit sharing is a way that workers collectively share the full product of their labor. They can earn a wage and then collectively they decide whether to reinvest in certain aspects of production or to share the added value. In downturns less people are laid off and jobs are rearranged to make sure people have the ability to stay afloat and not be discarded and alienated by the institutions they depend on most. Personally I am a fan of cooperatives and their ability to subtly shift the mindset of people to think more in terms of community wealth building. Here is an example of how profit sharing has decreased exploitation by allowing people the full benefit of their product. "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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  803.  @d33pblu3  You know it's ironic, I'm not currently working right now but I still receive an income, and I'm not on government cash assistance. It's called dividend and interest. You see it's really capitalist that can sit around and do nothing while they watch their money grow. I've been paid dividends recently for doing nothing, my GOOGL is using $70 billion to buy back stock after it laid off 7,000 workers, and my NVDA is up 26% just this week because AI will start taking more jobs. To add to the irony it's the capitalists who are firing people and taking their jobs with automation and then blaming them for not working. Do you realize people can still do work and retain the full value of their labor without giving it a way to shareholders who literally just sit around the house and talk about socialist ideology (me, lol)? It's called a Cooperative, and the Evergreen Cooperative in Cleveland Ohio has helped people increase their wages as well as share in the profits that they help create. Here's a snippet from an article; "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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  809.  @MegaLokopo  So you admit every economic system is built on violence? So capitalism isn't voluntary 🤙 Solid. That's the based answer; all property systems enforced with physical force are violent... That's just kinda a tautology. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. Here's the coop the Preston model is based on; "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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  1046. Lock em' all up- but in order to continue to protect democracy in our government, I believe we need to create democracy in our economy. I've been interested in a grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1126.  @ryno4ever433  Well, I'm not saying it will happen overnight. But personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1131.  @AwesomeBlackDude  The solution was in the first sentence 🤦🏼 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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  1223.  @angiebear8727  Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1225.  @cynthiawhite9830  Every time I ask him for his thoughts on how he would spread economic democracy he has absolutely no contribution. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. James certainly does not provide detailed comments on how we should increase democracy. The bot simply rehashes the same meme over and over.
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  1244. It's great that Trump's getting his comeuppance, but what kind of society would make better life for all of us? Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1255. ​ @anneguetschow3932 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1363.  @ahwell123  Nope, I actually agree that there are instances in sports where trans competitors have an unfair advantage over their cis rivals. MMA and other contact sports definitely pose an increased risk, as physical damage to other participants can be increased disproportionately to the gender/weight class. Unfortunately, the average Fox propaganda and viewer goes over the top and turns this into vitriolic hatred... Which is, imho, disgusting. The common through line between the defamation settlement and this clip is the propagandic divisiveness and undertones of hatred. Orwell warned of the "2 minutes hate"... But today you can turn on Fox "news" and be inundated with hate 24/7. My mother's family was a conservative Catholic upbringing, one of my mother's siblings was different- no, it wasn't a phase. It was through the ostrichization and lack of understanding that led my mother sibling to "depart" from us, they were their late '40s. It is okay to have calm views on the fairness of sports, but to dehumanize and intentionally ostracize these people breaks hearts and society. I still remembered the day in 2006 when I saw my stoic, conservative, Catholic grandpa was scared and cried as he got the news that one of his children was no longer alive. I care about trans rights because I care about my family, I miss my uncle, and I wish they were around today to be able to freely explore who they were. I know my grandpa loved his child, but I believe the conservative ideology alienated them from understanding their child for who they were. The reason why the $787 MILLION defamation suit is pertinent to every single Fox "news" clip, is because it should remind you that they will tell you lies, no matter how big or detrimental they are. They will incite divisive hate based on false conjecture. They eroded confidence in the American electoral system, which is an attack on every American with a vote. If you vote or care about the truth in the slightest, you should only watch Fox as a critique of corporate propaganda.
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  1520. ​ @CandyCarbonnier Thank you- Your comment that it's accessible means a lot. We can have grand and insightful ideas but if we can't share them in order to bring them into existence, they are all for not. If we can share these ideas and help people understand there is a possibility for change. I remember just 5 years ago I would tell people we need a four-day work week, and people would happily tell me I could work 4-10s.... Which completely misses the point and exposes how people are just so conditioned to the capitalist mentality; It's fish in water. But now there's studies being shown that 4-day work week can keep productivity similar, while burnout is decreased and overall happiness is increased. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1584. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1593. “Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.” – MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1646. It can be a mix. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1682.  @TunaIRL  It's ironic that you think I was never talking about non-profit work and then you have the audacity accuse me of not reading your reply, that's not what I was talking about. That's literally you not reading my comment. I was talking about how government force creates capitalism... That has nothing to do with non-profit work. So I honestly have no clue what you're even talking about and it seems like you didn't read my comment, if I'm wrong please correct me. If you're going to respond I would ask the courtesy of you reading what's being written. And it's weird of you to assume that I've never been outside of the country, I've been to five different countries besides America. If you tell me your country of origin I could probably tell you how capitalism evolved through government force in your area. But you know what that's kind of beside the point, America is a perfect example of government coercion to create private land tenure. So you're kind of just using a logical fallacy to get out from under the point. But hey, you're the one who didn't read my comment properly. You don't get it just put some artificial boundary on what type of sustainable profit motive private interests get to use to denote themselves as capitalists... That's literally half the point of capitalism is that private parties determine what type of prices to set. You don't get to come in and just say "you're not capitalist because you're maximizing profit to an unsustainable level". You're trying to justify a system that doesn't care about sustainability by trying to delude yourself that it does. Sorry, not buying it.
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  1707.  @thetapheonix  Ok, so we're moving the goal posts from "money printing"? I just want to be clear, this isn't money printing and this money would just be economic rent retained by shareholders if not taxed. Shareholders didn't do anything for the natural resource either, because it's a natural resource... Nobody created it. That's why it's taxed and given to the citizens of the jurisdiction as a Social Dividend. You're perfectly fine with the inflationary effects of oil revenues being pushed out as private dividends, because that's the system you're defending. You're prioritizing one singular aspect of the economy, inflation, over everything else including the marginal impact of money to make people's lives better. You haven't really said how you would address asset inflation that creates wealth inequality when you're arguing that corporations should retain economic rent. Rent seeking is monopolistic. Nobody said you had to adopt the whole Nordic system, I was simply talking about Sovereign Wealth Funds as an alternative way to manage natural resource revenues. Personally, my favorite cooperative system and believe that a UBI would help people buy equity in worker cooperatives and start small businesses. Or if it was retained in a sovereign wealth fund type investment portfolio to provide capital into cooperatives (that are often under capitalized) by purchasing non-voting shares that would help build economic development. Incentivizing saving and investment with the funds that would help decrease consumer price inflation by diverting that purchasing power. This creates asset inflation that is democratically equitable and decreases the negative aspects of wealth inequality.
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  1715.  @me-myself-i787  Lmao! Trust me I know how simple it is to plug in numbers into a compound calculator.... I used to set out rather realistic projections for my investments all the time. But the one thing that makes it really hard to keep investing and building wealth to a point where one feels secure enough to take off from work voluntarily, is to be forced out of a job because you're literally unable to fulfill the requirements of nearly any job because of disabling health issues. I started working and investing at 13. Some of the first stocks that I bought are Home Depot and Google. I've saved and invested and put myself in quite a good position... But I was lucky enough to hear about investing at a young age and lucky enough to have the math brain to understand why compounding was so important. All that said and done, I'm still unemployable due to my health issues, and while I do rely on family and my stock account many things would be much more difficult without state assistance. It's easy to make plans, and it's a bit harder to stick to them... I was able to do both for awhile and set myself up in a good way for the position that I'm in currently, but even though I'm young, and even my health is quite fragile, and that can quickly make you have to scrap your little table to a $1M, just like I had to. I'm not disagreeing with the math because the math is just the math, but I am speaking from the standpoint of life experience as well as an understanding of economics and finance. One of those economics/ finance lessons is that the understanding that sometimes the economy doesn't make the math work out for most people. Investing $10K/yr is rough when 64% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and most of them can't afford a $1,500 emergency. That would indicate that they don't need to spend money on investments, they should put money into their emergency funds. When people's education, health care, insurance, and housing costs all rise higher than inflation but their wages barely keep up with inflation... That's a deficit that's not going to be magically funded. CEOs and shareholders dividend pay/ buybacks have drastically increased at the expense of workers. I speak as a $GOOG shareholder who is getting a portion of capital appreciation due to $100B in buybacks, meanwhile 7,000 Alphabet employees got laid off. Home Depot loves to give me 8-20% dividend increases annually... But would totally hesitate to increase their wages 8 to 20% annually, and I've literally never done any work other than scan something at the self checkout at Home Depot. C'mon, I'm a shareholder and even I understand how unfair it is. I hope this wasn't too long for you to read, but I just want you to know the real world example of how those projections sometimes turns out.... It's all a probability curve ;) P.S. The ACA and Medicaid have saved my life.... Literally.
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  1716. ​ @JosiahTaschuk  Totally! Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  1742. ​ @humanwithaplaylist Personally, I find a revolution to be too volatile/ chaotic, you can't necessarily insure with high probability that your cause will win out in the chaos of revolution- a strategic approach would be to only use revolution when you know your chances are in high probability. I've been interested in a reformist approach through two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Cleveland model/Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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  2044. ​​ @Cardd_inal13  Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I'm not for completely abolishing markets but I believe in creating institutions that utilize non-market mechanisms to decrease the influence of market commoditization of society. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. There are many names for it like cooperativeism or a 'pluralistic commonwealth', but it basically boils down to democratic socialism.
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  2047.  @williamrelue  Nobody said capitalism was solely responsible for loneliness.... Loneliness existed before capitalism was invented. That's not what anybody is saying here. Capitalism treats people atomistically, and has destroyed many community driven institutions like village commons and industrial unions. Some unions had whole sets of social outings and services, from childcare and sick aid to picnics and baseball games. Both were economic institutions that had social relationships that were more personal than monied. With the rise of market forces (like when village Commons and ecclesiastic manners were seized by Henry the 8th and redistributed as private land titles) and union busting (throughout the latter half of the 20th century) people became atomized and not only lost economic bargaining but also the fraternity. Now things ramp up to the nth degree when employers decide to ask for more hours and they pay their workers less... Less time for leisure, less money for leisure. Less time and less money to have a romance and to start a family... Who wants to think about starting a family when they can't afford health care for themselves let alone their child? Do you know how much it cost to give birth in the United States without health care- that's an easy 90K! When 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, It's not surprising that we've seen a dramatic decrease in family development... Especially when people's main response for why they don't want to have kids is: "have you looked at the economy?" But like I said at the start, nobody said capitalism invented loneliness, but it does alter the ways we can materially express ourselves with other people. Just like farming wasn't invented under capitalism but the material conditions of how capitalism functions can incentivize different ways of farming. In fact because of the incentive structures of the capitalist system we have created a lot of agriculture... I don't know why it's not plausible to also say because of the incentive structures of the capitalist system we have also created a lot of loneliness. That's the whole point of having different economic systems is to change incentive structures and it's not that crazy to say that there's positives and negatives to these incentives, loneliness seems like a plausible unintended consequence. But maybe you can explain to me why I'm wrong.
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  2093.  @jimwerther  You think behavioral economics is based on a victim mentality? I don't think you understand what behavioral economics is, buddy. Maybe you should learn about things before you speak about them, that's pretty sad that you're so propagandized that you don't care about empirical studies of how people actually make decisions in the real world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe you should do some reading before you criticize, because that doesn't seem like rational behavior.... Oh wait, humans aren't rational and you aren't acting rational, proving my point. Rational Choice Theory is bunk ;) "Understanding Behavioral Economics In an ideal world, people would always make optimal decisions that provide them with the greatest benefit and satisfaction. In economics, rational choice theory states that when humans are presented with various options under the conditions of scarcity, they would choose the option that maximizes their individual satisfaction. This theory assumes that people, given their preferences and constraints, are capable of making rational decisions by effectively weighing the costs and benefits of each option available to them. The final decision made will be the best choice for the individual. The rational person has self-control and is unmoved by emotions and external factors and, hence, knows what is best for himself. Alas behavioral economics explains that humans are not rational and are incapable of making good decisions." investopedia, behavioral economics (If I post the link it'll get removed)
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  2188.  @joenarbaiz1640  Oh trust me I understand the sarcastic exaggeration- I think it's something that dumb conservatives would jump on, missing the satire, and to be honest it really wasn't even funny... But let me guess, you think I'm a conservative 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 What a joke. I'm probably more leftist than you, Einstein (sarcastic exaggeration, for your fancy). It's not that I have a nuanced opinion It's that I must be maga 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 Great job, Sherlock! You literally can't even remind Midas Touch audience members that the US Constitution was formed due to treason the Crown without them thinking you're a conservative that is pro-magatard or Russian🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 It really speaks volumes about how many Dunning-Krugerites are on this channel. I love Ben and Michael but half of you left your brain somewhere else. I honestly can't imagine being so echo chambered that anybody that disagrees with me has to be maga or Russian.... It's fkn toxic. Satire is a delicate medium- I remember a comedian once saying that "even though you're saying it ironically, you're still saying it." So you have to be careful what things you're saying sarcastically. I think the normalization of "lardo" is a bad insult and is not necessarily related to his misogyny of women's figures- Cohen regularly utilizes the jab. I'm a skinny guy... So honestly I really don't take offense to it at all, but I definitely think it sets a dangerous precedent for how the left communicates. I don't want to see us devolve into the same playground insults that Trump uses... I thought we could be better than that. But I guess the majority here has proven me wrong. Congratulations; You guys and your low quality playground insults of calling people fat has been normalized here 👍
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  2263. I've been listening to the Lex Friedman podcast with where he interviews professor Richard Wolff. It definitely gave me a better understanding of Marxism. Too many people confuse the Soviet Union with Marxism, they're not the same. Marxism is a theory of historical change due to economic factors that have inherent contradictions that eventually caused things to break down and change into something new. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  2358. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  2475. We need to figure out an economy that's not based on international exploitation. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  2482.  @j.a.p.818  Most conceptions of democratic socialism usually involve many cooperatives, not just one centralized government bureaucracy. Democratic socialism can have small amounts of government to large amounts of government, just like capitalist economies. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  2692.  @rich1807  If I were to list every single reason why Donald Trump is a terrible person, let alone a horrible president I'd be here for hours. Remember when he stole classified documents and then said the FBI planted them... And then told us no it wasn't the FBI he actually declassified them with his mind. He told you the FBI planted them even though he knew he declassified them??? How does that make any sense??? But you believe him, bahahahahahahaha .. Ahahahahah, you're sucha sucker!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Was it the FBI or did he declassify them??? Whcih is it? Hahahahaha Remember when he only used his Twitter to inflame the crowds that January 6th, telling them that Mike Pence didn't come through for them... These were the people who had gallows set up ready to hang the VP. He didn't do anything for over 3 hours while people tore into the Capitol building... Apparently all it took for them to go home is literally Trump telling them to leave, which he could have done hours sooner. Remember during COVID when he wanted to force all the governors to stop lockdowns and then his lawyers had a reminder that he's not a dictator and that the United States has Federalism which allows the states to govern themselves?! He doesn't care about America He doesn't even know that he's not a dictator 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 Guess that kind of explains why he's such a sycophant to international dictators. You like defending people who run frauds and suck up to totalitarians! Sounds like you're a real bootlicker than literally doesn't care if they get scammed by a known con artist. I never was defending Biden.... 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 All presidents kill people, you moron!! You were originally defending Trump and I took issue with it... That doesn't mean I have to defend Biden or bash biden because that would be off topic. Or are you too stupid to understand what off topic means! Probably.
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  2726.  @mvmlego1212  So many fallacies... Firstly you're missing the difference between private marginal value and social marginal value that leads to negative externalities. How do you expect me to believe this notion that "shareholders will value future consequences" when this post is literally about how Norfolk Southern did NOT do enough to prevent the accident... And the Obama era regulations to improve the braking system were repealed under Trump and not reinstated by the Biden administration. So that didn't really work out... almost like corporations lobby the government to make more profits. This is just one of many examples about how you're just wrong about reality. You're assuming people are rational actors- even for private marginal utility people still have "bounded rationality". You know we have behavioral economics now, right? Discount Cash Flow models place a heavier value on the short term because people have a time preference for returns sooner rather than later and the further into the future the higher the level of uncertainty. When investment banks do price targets for company stocks they use projections of the next 12 months of earnings to be a short term guide. Due to the fact that financial returns for shareholders are incentivized as the top priority for businesses they do what they can do to increase their stock price. CEOs are often compensated off of their performance related to quarterly and annual stock movement. They literally have all the incentives to think short term. Stop denying basic corporate concepts, it's no secret they have short term monetary incentives to increase the stock price.
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  2727.  @MondoChow777  I understand the importance of owning the means of production... Hence why I'm a dirty Lefty. Started working and investing when I was 13. I opened my first high interest savings account at 10 and my Roth IRA at 20. Frugality only gets you so far because there's a baseline to your needs, investing in LLCs has limited downsides and unlimited upside that earns you more than just pinching pennies, those pennies pinched have to be invested. I'm not going to brag about my tech returns because it's distasteful and honestly it makes me sad that in order to get ahead most people can't rely on just wages, they need to own appreciating assets that subjugate other workers and debtors like they are subjugated themselves. Since we have few and slim safety nets in this country investing is very important for a base level of financial security. Ironically as a leftist I do in fact preach investing, but only because I know there is power in owning capital and I want more lower/ middle class people to benefit. Personally, my largest criticism of a lot of socialists / communists is that many eschew and don't understand finance/ economics, like using price controls that only foster a lack of supply. Understanding capitalism from the inside out has helped me identify specific inherent pieces of capitalism that should be critiqued, like systematic fiduciary and voting rights bias towards Capital. While also understanding important aspects of financial/ economic allocations and production that are necessary to contend with when thinking about the next system, like risk diversification and marginal utility. I hope that's enough examples for ya', cuz I ain't going to show ya' my portfolio, lol.
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  2758.  @d33pblu3  What free market? All I see is markets rigged by capitalists from literally before the genocidal inception of the Homestead acts. Capitalism has always used government violence to create and protect private property. The point of cooperatives is to change ownership from private to social, by switching to social ownership it changes the coordinating environment and incentives to disengage from being debased by markets. By democratizing ownership through cooperatives and other institutions, more democratic ways of allocating resources can be developed that don't use market forces. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value (which market forces naturally do). I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  2768.  @Marqan  Even somebody who's self-employed, I was for 8 years, is still dehumanized by the market. People are commoditized by the market which means that they are treated as if they're humanness expendable- working directly for your customers for cash is still hyperrationalized and constrained by market forces. I'll give you two instances of how organizations can deal with downturns by caring about people or treating them as expendable. Firstly, cooperatives are a type of democratic business structure where everybody gets paid a wage but they are also entitled to the profits that they help produce and they have a say in how their workplace is run. Because cooperatives are run for the benefit of their members, they don't go and fire a bunch of people when a downturn happens; they look to take care of their fellow workers. When cooperatives democratically cooperate together they can more easily ride out downturns. Now on the flip side, while I wait for Social Security Disability, I have to live off of stocks. I own some GOOGL that's up almost 300%, with a recent boost to the share price being caused by them laying off 7,000 workers and then doing a $70 billion stock buyback. I mean, that's literally kicking out workers to pay shareholders. I don't know about you but the cooperative model seems like it values taking care of people more than taking care of capital. My perspective is that we, as a species, made a huge moral leap in the 1800's by pushing to start the abolishment of owning other people as property. The morally better option was to give people the right to self-ownership. Unfortunately ownership within capitalism still sets up power structures that allowed one group of people to rent another group of people. Humans within capitalism will be valued for their profit making input as human capital, not for their human spirit or the cheer that they bring to others- through the lens of a balance sheet a human is just a piece of property to be exploited like all other capital resources. In this we have succeeded in abolishing slavery, but we haven't succeeded in not treating people as property to be commoditized. The next step to becoming a more caring and conscientious species is to abolish the ability to rent humans, and instead legalizing cooperative determination as a standard in the socioeconomic sphere. Democratic self-determination is an economic Right just as it is a political Right. In fact, political democracy will be perverted without economic democracy to fund its integrity.
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  2769.  @DangRenBo  What makes you think I don't have actionable solutions? Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. Preston was based on The Evergreen Cooperative, here how that's been; "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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  2800.  @thetapheonix  What on Earth are you talking about with confiscation or buying oil land? Dude, it's a tax 🤦 The government doesn't have to buy the land/ resources or confiscate the land/ resources they just tax the value of the land/ resources, which leads to private stewardship and development, as well as socializing the value of land. Dude, this should have been obvious. Do you understand what Georgism is? It really looks like you ignored the whole part of my comment about increasing cooperative equity... I talked about democratizing asset inflation. UBI can help people take extra risks to start their own business or buy equity into a cooperative. You straightforwardly deny the fact that diverting money from corporations to the people would affect income inequality... It literally democratized income. Then you bring it up as if I didn't know about it or didn't spend time writing about it decreasing CPI inflation by allowing more people to benefit from asset inflation (that's a feature not a bug, not all inflation is bad). The question isn't about nominal inflation, it's about whether real wages and real asset inflation are growing. Alaska and Norway are very remote areas, this leads to high transaction costs which get passed on, it's weird disingenuous that you would ignore such an obvious aspect. I also think it's weird that you're ignoring the fact that Norway has one of the highest standards of living and happiness, which raises the question how much value do you place on happiness? You really couldn't google "taxes that decrease inflation"? Progressive income tax removes excess buying pressure from higher incomes, progressive consumption taxes can also do a similar thing. Land Value Tax puts extra pressure on speculators to develop it into something useful or put land on the market, this puts some more supply onto the market and increases the competitive forces within the real estate market. I honestly don't know if you understand, or are even reading, anything in my comments, because you seemed to talk right past me. If it looks like you're doing that again I'm just going to peace out.
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  2829. ​ @elbarto4069  Why is that the false dichotomy? Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  2976.  @BigTrees4ever  There were many capitalist theorists. According to the metaphysical philosophy of John Locke, wage labor is essentially renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other. "Taking back the word capitalism" isn't going to save us, we need social ownership of the means of production to make economic democracy a Right, just like political democracy is a Right. E: you really call Hitler a socialist?? 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 Next the DPRK with be 'democratic'. Please, take some time to learn some more political philosophy.
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  2995.  @kevinh5983  Where does this coffee shop get its land for the shop? Was it violently extracted from native Americans through violence?? It's not just about the final product, it's about the factors of production too 🤦🏼 You're just using abstract concepts, I'm talking real history. Bud, I understand the ideal concept of capitalism, but show me where it exists in the real world. Because the coffee shops in my area got their land violently through the grapevine from native Americans. Dude, you're talking about abstract concepts... I'm asking about the real world. You're not on the same page. Don't strawman me and act like I don't understand what capitalism is when you can't even point to a real world example of capitalism, lmao. All ideology is a mediated reconciliation between the ideal and the reality... You seem to be stuck in Plato's ideal forms over here 🤡 Jokes on you, I'm living off my stock portfolio; I understand how capitalism works (in reality)... That's why I collect dividend checks on other people's hard work. I know that this is a system that fires thousands of people just so it can give shareholders stock buybacks; because capitalism has a biased preference towards capital. Who woulda thought, huh? Lmao P.S. cute Stalin strawman 😂🤣 How fallacious are you trying to be? You do realize even George Orwell was staunchly antiStalinist and was still a democratic socialist 🤦🏼 Of course, you didn't, because you don't know the first thing about the definition of Stalinism or democratic socialism. Hahaha, you crack me up. "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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  3209. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. When cooperatives and other socially owned institutions become the dominant players in politics and the economy, that is Democratic socialism.
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  3681.  @wearebecomedeathstar2658  If you've read Chomsky or Marx, these are two socialists that radically disagree about how to achieve Socialism YET they both agree that socialism is the abolishment of Capitalism by abolishing private property that underlies capitalism and it's profit motive. It's pretty ridiculous to say I can't use socialists of different types to show the throughline of what socialism is; asking an expert is not an appeal to authority, no more than asking a mechanic to look at a car- smh. Private property can be understood as control without directly working the property, for instance, if I own a share of stock I own a portion of the capital goods in the business and can vote at shareholder meeting on how the company should be managed- even I don't work at the firm. Co-ops and mutual aid associations don't have shareholders, they have members that directly use the good/ service. Production under socialism is for the use-needs of the society, not for private profits of capitalist. If you've read either Marx or Chomsky you should know that. But cool, keep asserting that I don't "know what socialism is" even though I have read wayyyy more socialist philosophy than you have. The amount of insincerity and arrogance it takes to hand wave away key people who help create the philosophy in the first place as "appeals to authority", is frankly, childish and complete unproductive. You literally said "America is a socialist nation". To think that the military is "socialism" when the US uses its military to destabilize countries thinking about socialism and to install capitalist-friendly dictators is just ridiculous. But some people just like making themselves look ridiculous, take care, bud- maybe do some more research.
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  3931.  @Jordan-tq2jc  Socialism is not about "centralization". Marxist-Leninism uses centralization, but that's just one type of socialism. Socialism is workers control of the means of production, or basically economic democracy. There is no "one" socialism but notion is expressed in many forms, just like capitalism has many forms. There are democratic socialists, who usually want a smooth reformist push toward a democratic government and a democratic economy. Orwell, MLK jr, and Enistien were all notable democratic socialists, and they all where strongly opposed to authoritarianism. Noam Chomsky is an anarcho-syndicalist (like Dennis from Monty Python), which means he doesn't like the government and he wants trade unions to seize control of production. Marxist-Leninists see centralization and state authoritarianism as necessary to abolish private property. To summarize, socialism doesn't mean government centralization and calling FED actions "socialist" is fallacious. Personally, I've been interested in a grassroots movement called the Next System Project. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures in the US and UK. In addition to trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market, I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
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  4331.  @HelloWorld-ns7gt  Nope, I actually thought about this- because I am well aware that the Bible's been translated numerous times- So I went to bible hub, each line is shown from a hundred different biblical translations each one was slightly different wording but all demand the chemical miscarriage of an unfaithful pregnancy. For your convenience I will provide multiple translations of Numbers 5: 27; New Living Translation If she has defiled herself by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings on the curse will cause bitter suffering. Her abdomen will swell and her womb will shrink, and her name will become a curse among her people. International Standard Version When he has had her drink the water, if she was defiled and had acted unfaithfully toward her husband, then the contaminated water that brings a curse will enter her and infect her, causing her abdomen to swell and her thigh to waste away. Then she is to be a cursed woman among her people. JPS Tanakh 1917 And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, if she be defiled, and have acted unfaithfully against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away; and the woman shall be a curse among her people. New American Bible Once he has had her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter into her to her bitter hurt, and her belly will swell and her uterus will fall, so that she will become a curse among her people.
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  4346.  @dernvader6876  🤦🏼 What are you on right now that's giving you such an ego trip? I had a few grades of N,N (yellow to white with tinge of yellow). It was winter so I was doing it out of a dab rig inside, because I don't smoke weed bowls inside. It was great a few times as I was just rolling it in some bho and dabbing, and then I move pouring it in on a card. That worked a couple times and then I slid wayyyy too much in- I wasn't even finished inhaling before the sound echoed in my head and I saw my dabberg multiply linearly across the room and then I was moved forward into a temple and shot up through countless mult icolored dimensions and then landed on a plain of sketched cartoon hoodlum characters- who didn't want me there because I got way too high and the scenery was literally like I was in the wrong part of town. They proceeded to beat my psyche up with a 2x4, psychic punches and one of them even through a brick at me. As I came down I fell through the cloud and was then falling through multiple layers of dimensions until my DMT blood levels plateaued. Definitely taught me to be a little bit more careful with how much I use, haha. But dude I've literally found out how to turn off the chatter in my head and be in the here and now because of LSD- It makes me truly curious why somebody, like yourself, needs to feel like puffing out their chest. What lessons have you learned from psychedelics... As I've proven it doesn't matter how high you get and what niche thing you did- that's just a hilarious excuse for dick measuring- It matters what you derive from the experiences. The more I observe the more I believe wisdom is derived from self-awareness, self-reflection, and most importantly, humility.
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  4425.  @gaywizard2000  If you love the noval 1984 You should know just how dangerous towing the party line is. I make no false equivalency between Republicans and Democrats, I'm way more left-wing than corporate Democrats but if that's the option I'm going to vote for them over fascists. I can vote for Democrats and criticize them.... It's called being a self-reflective adult who understands that sometimes bettering yourself requires critique 🤦🏼 There are some Democrats that emulate my views but not nearly enough and not in my districts. It's disappointing you don't understand how detrimental the plutocratic influence of money and politics has been- literally 70% of public policy doesn't coincide with public opinion. I don't know you- but hey, you assumed upon my political beliefs so why is it so rude to assume upon yours? 😂🤣 The irony! I'm a socialist who wants to abolish private property (capitalism) in favor of economic democracy through cooperatives, trade unions, community land trusts, credit Unions and public banks.... You're going to have to push the Overton window pretty far in order to be further left than I am- I only "arrogantly" bring it up because you arrogantly assumed that I was a Republican. I find the extreme contrast to be humorously ironic. I don't believe I ever started commenting at you- You interjected yourself here when you assumed upon my political beliefs, if you can't handle some clap back maybe you should step away from the screen, do some self-reflection, and really think on why I might retort in an assertive manner. I'm not mad, I just think it was a little rude to act like I support a fascist with literally no evidence. So I'm setting the record straight.
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  4561.  @self_improvement_d  But that's the problem they didn't work for their money... Home Depot just gave me a raise but I've never worked there (Okay, I did do the self checkout yesterday but they don't pay me for that work, lol). They increased my dividends, increasing my income with me doing no work. I might have worked for the principal purchase price but my capital gains and dividends were not a function of my labor at Home Depot. Alienating the workers at Home Depot from the work that they do just because you put in money early doesn't justify shareholders taking disproportionate amount of gains while their workers struggle to pay rent. I'm no super wealthy capitalist, but I do understand how capitalism works from many different perspectives. If you need another zero you're not halfway to a billion. You make a interesting point on the exponential compounding, but what about other risks. I mean, I had a good investment plan until my health fell apart and now I'm unemployed... Guess what I'm trying to say is don't count your chickens before they roost. Life and investment come with risk, but yes, compounding is one of the ways capitalism magnifies wealth and creates the material conditions of abundance. The problem with capitalism is it aggregates power and wealth to a select few that then dictates conditions to the rest of the people. Workers don't control their labor under capitalism because they don't have the proper bargaining power against concentrated capital, which is why unions are so important. Nordic countries have stronger labor unions and have less worker regulations imposed by the state because unions allow a more equal bargaining position. I learn to invest at an early age and even as a socialist I still invest as owning the means of production is the only way for me to keep my head above water. "Within the last 10 years, Home Depot has increased it by 18.74% annually." I don't see workers getting raises over 18% ANNUALLY. That is what capital bias is.
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  4563.  @akastewart  So you're just hand waving all the capitalist violence out of the way and ask "why aren't they starting more co-ops?".... Capitalism is not friendly to social ownership- Capitalism values profit socialism values worker freedom. When violently protecting (law enforcement) private property keeps incentivizing only the institutions that create profit to grow and dominate the economy. Worker cooperatives are going to seem small because they aren't fixated on unlimited growth, they're fixated on helping their members. You're literally comparing apples and oranges and wondering why one of them isn't citrusy like the other... It's like there's two different fruit that have two different biological processes that create different results. You do realize that the United States has caused coup d'etat in multiple democratically elected governments in order to convert them to more authoritarian capitalist banana republics? There was a long history of bloody labor movements across the world because capitalist literally wouldn't raise wages so workers could feed their families. Of course I know that slaves didn't want to be there... The commonality of the example is being put on a market and not valued for who you are as a person but rather your return on investment for a master, either a wage master or slave master. I mean, of course it's not the same institution that's why it's an analogy because it's not a perfect example, just in certain regards. Same with the prostitution example, a boss is analogous to a pimp who siphons off money using the threat of violence- sorta on that note, strippers at one place have started to unionize and this gives them more autonomy over their body and receive larger portion of the net income they worked for. You really love a system where 64% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and then you suggest they just pool their money to make a co-op.... If they're living paycheck to paycheck, what money? I mean, I'm not saying things aren't possible, there's been a lot of progress in the labor movement over the past 200 years. In 1823 people worked 12 to 16 hour days 6 days a week for low pay and few safety standard.... But there was a lot of blood spilled in order to get basic worker protections, I don't think you're really appreciating the size of task you're talking about. Feudalism wasn't ended in a day, nor was I ended in a century. Feudalism in England began to shrink starting with the signing of the Magna Carta and dwindled into the late 1800s as land enclosure parcels were privatized. That's basically 600 years until you get industrial capitalism from the creation of the first political rights for Lords. Things take time, calling people "LARPers" is hilarious... Do you think UPS, UAW, SAGAFTA workers are just LARPing when they threaten to go on strike? This isn't a LARP- this is real life, not roleplay. People are having a hard time paying for rent, medical expenses, and schooling- that is real life, not roleplay.
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  4568.  @jbturtle  I personally owned $AAPL for 5yrs... I made 350% profit and I never worked a single day at Apple. Why do you think employees would just leave when they could be pocketing that 350% profit instead of absentee shareholders like me? Why wouldn't they want to participate in profit sharing in one of the the most profitable corporations on the planet? Instead of giving a $90 billion in share buybacks to absentee shareholders, you don't think the workers would want that $90 billion?? I mean, to be fair, it probably would be a bit less considering workers would have more of a say and they wouldn't be able to exploit Foxconn workers or China's slave labor, but still, you're telling me workers don't want to have the ability to decide who tells them what to do and to be able share in profits? I guess, I just don't see it. I like banking at a credit union because they're less likely to screw me over than a traditional bank, because I'm an owner member. Capitalism is a fantastic idea on paper but in real life it ends up just screwing over most of the population to enrich a select few... don't act like capitalism is better. Just because feudalism existed in reality doesn't mean that it's a good system, saying that your system exists doesn't mean that it's justified. "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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  4569.  @TheGbelcher  The reason why cooperatives are not more ubiquitous is not because they're not effective, but rather in which the value system of the property norms defines what "effective" is. Cooperatives are certainly effective at helping people gain autonomy over their own lives and profit from their own labor, but private property creates a system of laws that evaluates effectiveness based on the ability to create profit for absentee shareholders. When you say "effective" you're talking about being effective to enrich capital owners, I'm talking about being effective to take care of workers, society/ the unemployed/ disabled, and the planet. Your idea of effectiveness creates negative externalities that are literally killing the planet.... But you see no problem with that because that's not considered within the value system of private property. Who cares if the 1% rolls over, it's still a dominating class that alienates most the population for their own material gain at the expense of others. Capitalists love to use this argument that "you two can become the dominator" or "you can buy stocks", but that misses the point entirely. When 64% of the population is living paycheck to paycheck and your answer is "Well in a few decades someone will be richer than Elon Musk" is a really bad argument considering that does nothing to help the people who are living paycheck to paycheck. The fact that you think Elon Musk should be worth nearly a quarter trillion dollars at the expense of all the innovation that his workers have created is sad. In a cooperativist economy there would be other social safety nets to provide the ability for some companies to take large risks. The mistake of thinking that these cooperatives are atomistic, one of the key principles of cooperatives is that they cooperate with other cooperatives and create networks of institutions to help each other. But of course this capitalistic culture doesn't understand anything like that because how many business schools teach cooperative economics? Basically none. Saying that it's uneffective is disingenuous considering that there's a giant cultural bias that doesn't give a level playing field. capitalists in the United States have literally created coup d'etats from the banana Wars in the early 1900s to establishing authoritarian dictatorships like in Guatemala in 1954 to take control of the banana plantations, or revolving door politics that allow Dick Cheney to take $60 million exit package then turn around and start multiple illegitimate wars in the Middle East where Halliburton can go in set up oil fields and at times receiving billion dollar no-bid contracts. The illegitimate War after the Iraq invasion in 2003 literally killed a million civilians... 1,000,000 people. Don't act like there aren't gigantic externalities associated with the blood profits that shareholders receive. “Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.” – MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961. “We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.” - MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967. “The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.” – MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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  4575.  @josephcarriveau9691  Um, this is basically Marxist, lol (commodity fetishism and alienation). Even Marx based much of his economics on Smith- next you'll tell me that makes Marx a classical liberal/ libertarian. "Self ownership" doesn't have to be transferable, although Anthropologist David Graeber has talked about how some of the first instances of wage labor for the literal renting of a slave labor for day labor. Under modern capitalism the metaphysics of self ownership is non-transferable, although the labor power itself is transferable as you sell/ rent your time to a boss (so labor power, rather than the laborer, becomes the transferable/ disposed commodity). Unfortunately you probably missed the fact that I was using the language of classical and neoclassical economics to undermine the ethics from the inside out, but hey, welcome aboard. Admittedly I will say, this piece was partially unironically inspired by a libertarian... well a libertarian socialist/ anarchist, Benjamin Tucker. In his book 'State Socialism and Anarchism' he denounces land rent, interest bearing loans, and profit from wage labor as "the Trinity of Usury". From this we can see that land rent, interest, and wages are all rental agreements for different factors of production, for instance interest is just like the rental price for money or that a wage is rental price for labor. But this surely isn't the type of "libertarian" metaphysics you were thinking of, lmao. Now go put that cap on for rudely calling me a classical liberal 😜
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  4655.  @BangMaster96  Woah, woah, woah... Calm down, bud. What's with the tirade? You said you didn't see employment as a rental before, but now because of my analogy you understand that it is just like rent, a payment for the time preference of property. You seem to be fine with that conclusion, and are basically just telling me to accept it and get over it. Okay, I own myself and if I want to rent my time out by the hour in a free market, I can. You don't have to be so condescending. I understand capitalism very well, thank you. I was self employed for 8 years. I have a portfolio of stocks and I've studied investing heavily since my teens. I set up my Roth IRA when I turned 20. I can play the game of capitalism, don't talk down to me like I'm ignorant- I have money on the table. Oh, and last, but not least; You keep saying the "real world' like it's just a fact.... Doesn't the real world have wars and imperialism and dictatorships. I'm not saying any of those things are good, but I think you need to reassess what happens in the real world. You see, I know you're trying to use "real world" as a rhetorical device to delegitimize your opponents opinion as fantasy, literally called it "Utopia'. Unfortunately, I understand the "real world" that you're alluding to is not actually the real world.... As evidenced by any history book you want to pick up. So please don't try to feliciously shame me into thinking that the world only works your way. I'm not falling for it. Genghis Khan was a part of the real world, I don't think he was really up for respecting private property rights :/ I just spent one paragraph on the actual content of the discussion and two paragraphs (now 3) pointing out how you're talking down to me and insinuating that I live in a fantasyland. That's not very respectful. It's disappointing that I actually had to spend more effort addressing your debate tactics than actually debating the topic- hopefully we can change that in our next comment exchange.
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  4667.  @BangMaster96  Personally, I've been interested in a grassroots movement called the Next System Project. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping people live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. I believe in a concept called subsidiarity, where problems are handled at the lowest level possible. I don't want government to run the economy, I just want government funded health insurance, That's insurance, not doctors. Most goods and services should be provided by non-government, socially-owned organizations, like co-ops and the long list of various organizations. There is a role for other government actions in society, but it's sure as not totalitarian or charged with centrally planning the economy.
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  4816. Oh, dear ... You're falling for that old authoritarian propaganda? How is it national socialism after Hitler murders all the socialists in his party 🤦🏼 It's literally on par with calling the Democratic People's Republic Of Korea a "democracy". Besides, if you're going to quote Mussolini, you should know that he was in favor of 'corporatism'. Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini Corporatism is a type of economic model that's been utilized by various types of ideologies, but in the broadest sense of the term it means collaboration of the various classes of society (workers, bosses, govt, church, etc) to work together. It's not socialism, because it's not the dissolution of class but integrating class groups to work together, much like the bundle of sticks that the fasce represents. But due to a top-down structure of society, it wasn't so much based around 'collaboration' as state-capitalist subjugation where the fascist governments set up oligopolies and monopolies to better control supply chains and labor markets. Who did Hitler come for first... Yeah, the socialists; "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller
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  4829.  @metalman666ization  Wow, bud, I'm talking about externalities because you guys don't seem to understand the importance of externalities to mispricing of supply and demand. Secondly, I know democratic socialism is different from the Nordic model of social democracy... I'm more anti-capitalist than the Nordic model, but thanks for your strawman (ironic when you accuse me of strawmanning and you end up doing such). The Next System Project is a think tank that I like that is devoted to building communities back up by creating community driven institutions, like coops/ credit unions, land trusts, and labor unions. They have helped multiple communities recover from capital flight that left communities to scrape by- but I don't know, maybe you like when your job gets relocated overseas and It becomes hard to put food on the table. Third, I don't have to believe in the labor theory of value in order to believe the working class should have autonomy over their own labor- capitalism is based on commodifying humans and decreasing their freedom through exorbitant inequality. Instead of using government redistribution like in the Nordic model I think that there should be a fundamentally more fair distribution within property rights so the government doesn't have to redistribute as heavily to correct such glaring inequalities. Thanks for trying, sorry you fell into a hypocritical fallacy.... Maybe next time you'll be able to be a little bit more intellectually curious instead of assuming you know my beliefs... Maybe you shouldn't be guessing behavior either, lol 😉✌️
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  4834.  @SeraphsWitness  You say Pareto efficiency isn't relevant to externalities.... Let's check the textbook; "Chapter 14 Externalities An externality is the accompanying impact (whether positive or negative) of one agent’s consumption or production activity on the utility or technology of another, where this impact is independent of markets or prices. .... Because externalities are external to the workings of markets, the prices at which trades occur do not reflect their additional costs (in the case of negative externalities) or benefits (in the case of positive externalities). Consequently, the First Welfare Theorem typically fails, i.e., *in the presence of externalities, the Walras allocation is generally no longer Pareto efficient.* We begin by illustrating this inefficiency and then consider three “solutions” that have been suggested to mitigate these problems and that have influenced government policy towards externalities." - Intermediate Microeconomics a tool building approach, by Economist Samiran Banerjee For clarification, the Warlas law is a concept of market equilibrium, which like I keep saying becomes unhinged in the presence of externalities. You can call me moronic all you want, but you can't cite a single source that proves me wrong. You're just talking out of your ass, I actually can provide textbook and real world examples of these concepts. Keep up with all those fallacies, it's a pretty cute look on you. Feel free to come back and comment when you can provide cited sources for your opinion or a source that critiques the chapter of the textbook that I quoted- until then I'll consider you very confused.
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  4839.  @metalman666ization  This is the irony, you say you understand economics, but you act as if negative externalities don't exist in the real world and mispricing's only come from government; This neglect of real economic events just reeks of dogmatic ideology. There is no such thing as a perfect market equilibrium, prices are always changing to meet available information BUT like I said AVAILABLE info. For instance, if you have an externality that by definition has value that is not being accessed by market mechanisms. You neglect these large concepts and yet you say you understand economics- that piques my curiosity. Do you incorporate behavioral economics into your perspective? If not, then you don't understand real world economic interactions. Between logical fallacies and behavioral game theory that stems from philosophical concepts of fairness, humans studied in the real world present different characteristics than neoliberal concepts of the "rational actor". Quite honestly I don't even think you know what I mean by a democratic socialist... You probably think of Lenin or something strawmanned like that. So we don't get sidetracked please reply to each of these main topics; 1) please address my two non-govt examples of mispricing; negative/ positive externalities and an ignorance to correlated risk 2) What role, if any, do empirical studies of behavioral economics factor into your concept of "correct economics", and 3) I don't think you know what democratic socialism means to demsoc's, but I sure would be curious to hear what your capitalist brain thinks it means.
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  4881.  @jimwerther  Ummm, that Churchill quote was about Democracy... "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…" - Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947 lmao, my laziness?? I've spent hours copy and pasting quotes, but you guys can't even be bothered to look up behavioral economics. Humans aren't always rational actors, they're emotional beings full of biases- I'm actually being pretty patient with you guys because I know humans are irrational so I understand why you're being irrational. Let's look at some more points; "Behavioral finance has revealed that real people do not behave like the rational actors predicted by mainstream theories and the efficient markets hypothesis."... "Real traders and investors tend to suffer from overconfidence, regret, attention deficits, and trend-chasing—each of which can lead to suboptimal decisions and eat away at returns." 4 Behavioral Biases and How to Avoid Them By TIM PARKER Updated July 25, 2021 Fact checked by PETE RATHBURN Let me guess you think going through the effort of correcting your Churchill quote and finding another web page on behavioral economics is "lazy"... Maybe next time you should double check your quote, Mr. LazyJim. Lmao, you guys are hilarious. Just read some behavioral finance, It's an interesting subject that can help you earn money off of people's irrationalities- The article and I have said Buffett made his money this way, as illustrated by Buffets quote "be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy". But please continue to believe that humans are completely rational and don't suffer from emotions, like fear and greed, that caused them to make suboptimal decisions for themselves ;) Do some more reading, Mr. LazyJim.
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  4891.  @grondhero  Rational choice theory has been debunked and companies use it apart of their business models. If you still think RCT is a law of econ, you don't know econ, Kirby. "Because humans are emotional and easily distracted beings, they make decisions that are not in their self-interest. For example, according to the rational choice theory, if Charles wants to lose weight and is equipped with information about the number of calories available in each edible product, he will opt only for the food products with minimal calories. Behavioral economics states that even if Charles wants to lose weight and sets his mind on eating healthy food going forward, his end behavior will be subject to cognitive bias, emotions, and social influences. If a commercial on TV advertises a brand of ice cream at an attractive price and quotes that all human beings need 2,000 calories a day to function effectively after all, the mouth-watering ice cream image, price, and seemingly valid statistics may lead Charles to fall into the sweet temptation and fall off of the weight loss bandwagon, showing his lack of self-control. Applications One application of behavioral economics is heuristics, which is the use of rules of thumb or mental shortcuts to make a quick decision. However, when the decision made leads to error, heuristics can lead to cognitive bias. Behavioral game theory, an emergent class of game theory, can also be applied to behavioral economics as game theory runs experiments and analyzes people’s decisions to make irrational choices. Another field in which behavioral economics can be applied to is behavioral finance, which seeks to explain why investors make rash decisions when trading in the capital markets. Companies are increasingly incorporating behavioral economics to increase sales of their products. In 2007, the price of the 8GB iPhone was introduced for $600 and quickly reduced to $400. What if the intrinsic value of the phone was $400 anyway? If Apple introduced the phone for $400, the initial reaction to the price in the smartphone market might have been negative as the phone might be thought to be too pricey. But by introducing the phone at a higher price and bringing it down to $400, consumers believed they were getting a pretty good deal and sales surged for Apple. Also, consider a soap manufacturer who produces the same soap but markets them in two different packages to appeal to multiple target groups. One package advertises the soap for all soap users, the other for consumers with sensitive skin. The latter target would not have purchased the product if the package did not specify that the soap was for sensitive skin. They opt for the soap with the sensitive skin label even though it’s the exact same product in the general package." - Investopedia, behavioral economics
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  4933.  @waynehand4600  Except it's already started happening across the different cities. Community wealth building is a grassroots way of building a democratic economy... And it has actually helped improved people's lives- Preston, Lancashire was awarded the most improved city in the UK. These are examples from the democracy collaborative; "For example, in Cleveland, Ohio, the Cleveland Foundation – in collaboration with local institutions and community groups – partnered with TDC to develop progressive procurement strategies, to create the Evergreen Cooperatives, a network of green industrial enterprises that supply goods and services to large local anchor institutions like the Cleveland Clinic and Case Western University. Evergreen is owned by its employees, the vast majority of whom are Black, many returning citizens, and live in nearby historically underserved and under-resourced neighborhoods. In Preston, England a Community Wealth Building strategy was deployed after a revitalization plan with an international development firm failed in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. The city started with a progressive procurement strategy and expanded to integrate strategies within in all pillars with in the wedge to redirect wealth and reshape the economy. Preston has seen £70 million of anchor institution spend returned to the community and 4,500 jobs created. Once listed as one of the most deprived urban areas in England, Preston rated as PricewaterhouseCooper (PwC)’s most improved city in 2018 and 2019 and the “Best Place To Live” in the north of England. Other municipalities across the United Kingdom have taken note, working to replicate Preston’s strategy and tactics. In Scotland, UK, we are seeing a whole nation approach to CWB, where a Scottish variant of the wedge is embedded in the national economic plan, all 32 local municipalities within the country are developing bespoke CWB action plans, and there is now a Minister for Community Wealth within the Scottish government. National legislation is now being developed to strengthen the legal basis for CWB as a key element of economic system transformation. And the movement is growing! In Chicago, Illinois, in the wake of COVID-19, the City’s Office of Equity and Racial Justice (OERJ) identified CWB as a key means for delivering inclusive development. TDC has advised the OERJ team with key recommendations to embed Community Wealth Building throughout city agencies; partner more closely with key “anchor institutions,” including local universities and hospitals, on jobs programs; and create community investment vehicles to bring access to credit and finance to under-served communities, among other goals. TDC is also working with other local governments to develop key recommendations for CWB action, including Somerville, MA; Meadville, PA; and Alameda County, CA."
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  4934.  @phoenixblanco3892  Why do you assume my only policy actions are taxes and build a larger welfare state? I'm tired of those ideas... We need a system that doesn't redistribute but rather distributes in a more fair way. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. Please, don't presume upon my ideas
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  5003. ​ @akshaysingh4712  Oh, dear ... You're falling for that old authoritarian propaganda? How is it national socialism after Hitler murders all the socialists in his party 🤦🏼 It's literally on par with calling the Democratic People's Republic Of Korea a "democracy". Besides, if you're going to quote Mussolini, you should know that he was in favor of 'corporatism', with famous quotes like; "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini Corporatism is a type of economic model that's been utilized by various types of ideologies, but in the broadest sense of the term it means collaboration of the various classes of society (works, bosses, govt, church, etc) to work together. It's not socialism, because it's not the dissolution of class but integrating class groups to work together, much like the bundle of sticks that the fasce represents. But due to a top-down structure of society, it wasn't so much based around 'collaboration' as state-capitalist subjugation where the fascist governments set up oligopolies and monopolies to better control supply chains and labor markets. Fascism is a type of corporatist capitalism. Who did Hitler come for first... Yeah, the socialists; "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller
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  5365.  @Historia.Magistra.Vitae.  Socialists? Have you read the Doctrine of Fascism? It's not very long and it's actually pretty interesting. Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile (co-ghost writer) describe fascism as opposed to Marxism, liberalism, and anarchism. It is staunchly against leninism- socialism is usually internationalist, where as fascism focuses on nationalism. I will say that there are a few socialist types of fascism that utilize trade unions (syndicalism) in the corporatism of negotiation between labor, big business, and the state. Strasserism and Sorelism are two revisionist interpretations of fascism that are influenced by socialism. That said, fascists that rose to power usually were not friendly to socialists and communists. I assume this idea comes from the fact that Hitler named his party the National "Socialist", but this is nothing more than propaganda like the Democratic people's Republic of Korea not actually being a democracy. If you look at Hitler's rise to power he did utilize trade unionist rhetoric in the beginning, but then eventually had his brown shirt thugs beat them into submission and out of order. In 1934 there was a purge called The Night of the Long Knives, in which socialist fascists, like Otto Strasser (who was earlier exiled in 1930), and other people less loyal to his cause where purged. I will admit fascism can be a fuzzy ideology because it really is just totalitarianism with various types of rhetoric. As such it often can be likened to Stalinism (Orwell called it "red fascism"), sometimes the only difference is the rhetoric and which people they choose to persecute.
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  5366.  @Historia.Magistra.Vitae.  Not fascist? 🤔 Isn't it a hyper nationalist autocratic government with a strongman dictator who riles up a popular base, and then takes totalitarian control enforcing traditionalist or regressive social policy (often with the use of violent by thugs) and bringing the economy under the control of the state? With the nuance that it can take many different forms but that is the general gist of the concept as outlined by Mussolini and others. Let's see; He takes on a strongman personality, and demonizes his opponents and rallying his popular base to be nasty to minorities. The hate builds and is released in random acts of violence like the Club Q shooting and many others around the country. During 2020 he thought he could overrule the governors during the lockdown and all his lawyers rushed to remind him that he doesn't have that power, because we have a thing called federalism and he's not a dictator. He denies a free and fair election, that has been confirmed by over 60 judges, many of whom he appointed. And he committed election fraud by asking for more votes some areas and then requesting the stoppage of counting in others, whichever way suited him best. He riled up a violent insurrection attempt and denied National guard assistance while the Capitol was under siege. With recent sedition charges for one of Trump's pledged violent thugs. Along with a host of other charges for hundreds of others that literally called for executing members of Congress and VP. He recently posted a dinner with Kanye, a known anti-Semitic, who brought his white nationalist friend. He recently confirmed that he doesn't believe in federalism and thinks he's a dictator by calling for the "termination" of the US Constitution because he is still pumping the propaganda about the election, and also using hollow propaganda involving Hunter Biden's D pics as "proof" of government censorship, even though it was a private campaign that committed a rules violation request. The man didn't want to show his taxes or his other finances, but now pieces them are being released- apparently had a $19 million loan associated with a South Korean company that has North Korean ties in which he had during his presidency but never disclosed it, which is a conflict of interest along with many of his other business dealings. Blatant disregard for the law as if he is above the law- because again he thinks he's a dictator. Yeah, I don't know why anybody would call it fascist..... Lmao.
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  5502.  @waynereynolds7598  Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  5584. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. During economic downturns cooperatives seek to preserve jobs instead of laying off their members... because they're members are the owners who make the decisions. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  5762.  @Khalkara  Dude, you've provided no sources, just baseless rhetoric. The anthropologist David Graeber has shown how credit markets historically are different from capital markets (in his book Debt: the First 5,000 Years). Graeber was a socialist too, so maybe you're calling him "not a real socialist" because he understood the difference between capitalistic markets and non-capitalist markets. So, historically speaking, you're just incorrect, but we both know you have an inability to accept when you're wrong. See what cheeky thing I did there? The arrogance. Jeez, get a grip; cite a source or argue against my source. Market socialism abolishes private property and capital's control over production. Ownership is socialized because democracy becomes a legal right, that's VERY different from private property that alienates workers, tenants, and debtors. Personal property doesn't come with the right to alienate people by capital, which is why every member is entitled to a vote. Labor suffrage is very socialist. Robert Owen was creating socialist communities while Marx was a child, get over it. Being able to form cooperative associations is just like how you get to decide with your friends what you do in their company (yes, I do mean the double entender of social companionship and an economic enterprise); you don't ask me to vote on what your group does when I'm not in your personal circle. Regulations, trade unions, and community involvement are important, but so is a degree of personal autonomy. Personally, I think hybrid co-ops are important because they allow workers, consumers, and aspects of the community to have a voice in the institutions they utilize. I get that some socialists want everyone to have a vote, but I think people closer to the affects of the institution should have more say. Saying labor should control production is not anti-socialist... Do you realize what a trade union is, right? Workers in one industry voting on economic positions and excluding/ alienating anyone not in the industry. Are you gonna tell me the long, long, long history of trade unionism was not historically socialist? You're sectarian as hell if you think labor control of the workplace isn't a key aspect of the socialist vein; have you heard of the labor theory of value? It's not even funny, it's just annoying how you won't cite any sources or thinkers after being asked multiple times. Your rhetoric isn't convincing, especially when you downplay the labor movement aspect of socialism. Here's a question for you; please, politely, explain how you plan to make any form of market unnecessary? How do non-basic/ "luxury goods" get distributed, like who gets handcrafted furniture versus mass produced furniture? People need furniture but there is a difference between basic goods that meet basic needs and high quality goods that exceed any reasonable sense of "need". As such, platitudes like "according to need" makes no sense. How is economic information aggregated? Like I said, I'm not dogmatically for markets, so if you show me something good I might change my tune. Rather than just saying "you're wrong", show me a better way, please.
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  5783.  @justsomeguy6336  First, I'll respectfully let you know off the top that I did explain that debt is a social fiction that is negotiable, please look into the tradition of the jubilee to see how debts were regularly expunged. But seriously, I encourage you to read 'Debt' not just because of a silly yt argument, but because I found it very informative on understanding what debt and money is. He debunks the notion of barter and lays bear the fact that all money is a debt either to the state or each other. HERE'S THE COOL PART; the PDF is FREE and the audiobook is FREE here on yt! I tried linking to it a couple times but I don't know if yt shadow deleted those, but just search it. It's not for a yt debate with some other guy, it's because it is a critically acclaimed book about something you seem to be interested in- it's a genuine recommendation for you, not for me. That's the core point, it will be useful to you. Never was the point that debt is not important, it's just that it's a negotiable social fiction and not bound by some universal demand to mathematically reconcile all debts. Interest payments are largely a function of credit risk, risk necessarily entails the acceptance of the uncertainty that money might not be repaid. When talking about US Treasury bonds compared to corporate bonds there is an agreement that treasuries hold less credit risk than corporations due to the fact that the US government has the ability to tax and create demand for its own money, in coordination with the FED, based on its legal powers of institutional violence. Dip your toe in the water, the first chapter David graeber recalls a conversation with a lawyer for a NGO in which she literally says "But don't debts have to be repaid?!". This is used as a jumping-off as he examines the history of the usage of debt and how it has illegitimately subjugated many cultures. It makes sense that not all debts have to be repaid when you learn about the debt of Haiti to France for trying to free itself from literal slavery, only to find themselves indebted to their former masters. In the conclusion, he reiterates how debts don't have to be repaid because it's all made up. It's useful to make credit, but it's not useful to bind society to usury. Credit is a social extrapolation of promises that must be used wisely to up lift, not to suppress and exploit.
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  5813. ​ @TheFifthWorld22 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  5869. It's the Union 💪 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  5989.  @craiggles8454  The inequality aspect is on multiple fronts; first and foremost it's about power. Power to have a say in the institutions that run your life- This concept is called self-determination and it's the reason why we have political democracy. I believe economic democracy is merely an extension of such political rights to autonomy. The ability to determine working hours, conditions, benefits, and pay allow the workers of an organization to have more control over their lives than renting their days out to the authority of a capital owner. Employment is renting a human being by the hour or year, just like you might rent a tool from Home Depot or lease a car from the dealership.... Except, it's a human being. From a democratic way of handling power stems different ways of spreading resources. I don't think inequality can ever be completely overcome, but I believe in narrowing the range in which inequality occurs, Because you're right Pareto distributions show up everywhere. Instead of having companies that have pay ratios of 100-1000X between the highest and lowest earners, cooperatives usually have bylaws that restrict the highest salary to be 10 to 30 times that of the lowest. I will admit that capitalism will inevitably grow faster than socialism, capitalism by its very nature incentivizes maximizing profit and reinvesting/ compounding said profit to make more profits. Capitalism compounds wealth fast- unfortunately it does so by exploiting people by renting them, corrupts governments by buying them, and destroys the environment by polluting it. It's not just a few bad apples; exploitation, corruption, and pollution are inherent in the ways that markets push companies to maximize profits or else risk going out of business by being less competitive. Capitalism's wealth comes at a cost; those costs being, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. (Ironic for Americans) In socialism you can still compound wealth but compounding wealth is seen as less of a priority than compounding improvements in other aspects of life. I definitely agree that health insurance definitely should be nationalized. I'm also very much in favor of govt funded PreK-12, 2 year associates degree or trade school, and low/ no interest loans from a public bank for masters and PhDs. We need to make it easier to have a more educated society, especially with democracy.
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  5993.  @Choosewisely-hb9nj  Trump loves this land so much that he stole national security documents and commits fraud on the regular? 🤔 The top three things Trump loves the most, in order, are 1) Donald J Trump then its 2) Donald J Trump, and rounding out the top 3 is... Donald J Trump. Lol. The dude is so narcissistic He thought being the president made him dictator; Do you remember during lockdowns when Trump had to be reminded by his lawyers that he's NOT in complete control of the United States, he thought he could control governors like he's a dictator... Stand against federalism and the separation of powers is pretty anti-American. What a joke 🤡🤡🤡 Anyway, why I go with democratic socialism? Because its a system that believes in treating people like human beings (instead of as commodities) and securing freedom and equality for all. This is why people like George Orwell, Albert Einstein, and Martin Luther King Jr were all democratic socialists. Most all economic Buddhism is socialist, as well. This means addressing the various types of authoritarianism, like governmental, economic, racial, sexist, militarism, and ecological disaster. I'll end on a few quotes from Martin Luther King Jr; “Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.” – Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961. “We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.” - Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967. “The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.” –Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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  6006.  @superdog797  It's really not propaganda, the term "human capital" is a neoliberal phrase use by capitalist economists... This isn't socialist theory, this is Reagan/ Thatcher type neoliberal economists. If you look at the neoliberal economics of it, literally just understanding time preference, which is what rent, interest, and yes, also wages are. I can make all the similarities of human capital to normal capital; healthcare is maintenance, housing is storage, food is fuel, education is an investment in more productive parts. So a big problem is, since wages are suppressed by globalism, and real wages in the US are the same as 50 years ago, but the inflation rate of healthcare education and housing have all far exceeded averaged CPI inflation numbers. We have costs that are rising exponentially, but real wages that haven't gone up in 50 years... If you have a rental house that's more expensive to maintain then you receive in rental payments, you won't be able to afford to keep that property for long. When it is human capital, that would be someone going bankrupt due to medical bills or just very ill because they can't afford the medication or procedure. Personally, I'm functionally disabled due to my PTSD, I used to be able to hold down a job but now I can't... So that's medical bills with no income other than occasionally selling stocks and bonds. Normally we just throw out an old piece of equipment, but we can't do that with human beings. 60% of Americans struggle with making ends meet. As a socialist, cooperatives are not the end-all be all of socialist ideas... Its one piece. In the 1600s you had private businesses on land enclosures but the system was still mainly feudalism. Let's also remember there were a lot of violent beheadings in the French revolution that capitalists conducted to end feudalism... Do you want me accuse you that capitalists decapitate people on the regular? Don't act like radical systemic change doesn't often incur violence. Just because there were some capitalistic enterprises doesn't mean capitalists would be happy with feudal lords still ruling most of the land and resources- so a few co-ops on a capitalistic globe is no consolation. Serfdom is not legally recognized in a capitalist system, is that somehow so horrible because we don't give somebody the freedom to institute serfdom? No, because we moved to a system that believes in more freedom for individuals.... when you are allowed to own and control what you produce it. Going back to the old system that restricts you to taking the directives of a wealthy capital owner is like saying you want to go back to aristocracy instead of having a democratic vote, because a co-op literally gives you a democratic vote in your economy. Granted I think there is a place for small scale rentals and wage employment because some people don't want to own a house and don't want to be tasked with figuring out what the organization should do. But for the people who do to have a say in how they're government and economy is run, then they can have a vote- if they don't want to vote they don't have to. To address your point on just letting them compete in the market; capitalists want to maximize profits, unfortunately easy ways to do that include (legally) not being socially and ecologically responsible. When there are companies that are keeping money that they can reinvest to make more profit off of being irresponsible and you have another firm spending money trying to be responsible they creates a huge difference in the amount of capital they can reinvest. The other thing is, cooperatives don't want to grow endlessly. They work for their members, when extra growth doesn't make their lives better why should they do it? More profit doesn't mean they'll be happier. And that's the main difference, you're evaluating two systems by two totally different sets of values. Socialism will never compound wealth at the same rates capitalism does, which has a negative effect on material standard of wealth, but on the flip side capitalism will never be socially accountable to the people who work for the economy. At a certain point, it's really just a choice to value people before profit✌️
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  6007.  @superdog797  The employer-employee relationship is that actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class. So to answer your question, yes capitalism is better at creating economic growth because it is based on incentivizing the maximization of profit, and reinvesting that profit to create more profit at all costs.... Even if that means commodifying humans, buying out the government, and spraying negative externalities all over the globe. Renting people as objects and shifting costs onto innocent living beings through industrial pollution are not morally righteous. People who support democratic socialism want a human happiness index to be a more important number than GDP. You can still compound wealth in socialism, you just do it more ethically by treating people as human beings and not commodities be rented by the hour as if they were machines. You say socialism doesn't work, but personally, I've been interested in a grassroots movement called the Next System Project. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. You can look up the channel the Laura Flanders show, she has a great intro slogan; "where the people who say it can't be done, take a backseat to the people who are actually doing it". I think my "favorites" folder on my channel is public, you can see a 50-second video on what a democratic economy looks like (also notice the two high level finance lectures in my playlists, from MIT and Yale... I understand economics fairly well).
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  6049.  @ELTEAESS  Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  6072. Democratic socialism. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  6379.  @kimthomas781  Democratic socialism is important for any deeper systematic change. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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  6556.  @denvan3143  Lol, I never said I was the greatest investor. Besides, If we take your questions seriously and not just as a troll (lmao), Warren Buffett is an investor, Elon musk is an entrepreneur, there is a difference not only in job tasks but sweat equity stake can be larger and exponential growth is larger from an earlier starting point. Elon musk and Buffett have received government subsidies much larger than all the tax refunds I've ever seen. Kind of ironic that you're talking down to me since we're probably in the same boat of the 90% who don't own a lot of stock- More than 80% of the stock market is owned by the top 10% of the wealthy. With that type of inequality it's just a statistical probability that I'm not going to be born into the privileges that bolster the richest 10%. These are billionaires that buy out your politicians behind closed doors, reducing democracy and fostering an oligarchy of corporate interests. If you're defending somebody just based on how much wealth they have, that's a pretty hollow argument, a lot of wealth has been attained in very unethical ways. Elon's done great things by making electric cars sexy, ironic that GM killed the EV-1 and now wants to be the number one seller of EVs, smh. But we all know Elon brought it back (with some government loans). But I also know that capitalism concentrates wealth and distorts political systems.... So a show of incomprehensible wealth is not necessarily a flex to me, but more a sign of a systemic social problem. If you hate democracy then I guess cheer on the billionaire in a country of Citizens United PACs and Dark Pools, That will sure make YOUR VOICE heard. Stand up for yourself, not billionaires.
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