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As somebody who feels lonely and constantly disempowered. Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". Then they try to use tactics like management classification to deny people overtime. This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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This is the problem with the dehumanization and commodification of people and the planet under capitalism. Capitalism doesn't care about people, it treats them like objects. In fact, wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership" as if you were a piece of property. Employment is literally renting out another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Even wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Don't get fried by these corporate goons. We have to work together because wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Why do you feel like a rented mule in capitalism? Short answer: capitalism rents you by the hour and works you like a rented mule!
E: Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other as human beings.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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They have never cared about the Innocent... "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is the neoliberal lens that capitalism fuse humans through, they are simply chattel property to be rented and moved about wherever profitable. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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I mean... He is not wrong!
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Even Adam Smith new landlords were parasites that extracted as much as they could by doing as little as possible.
"The rent of land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give." — Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, Book I, Chapter XI "Of the Rent of Land"
We need community land trusts, or some sort of land value taxation. Apartments need to be cooperatively owned by their tenants rather than by absentee landlords. The rent is, simply, too damn high!
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Jesse is right, and to be honest capitalism is just based on renting human beings as if they are property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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This is the lady that said there was a ceasefire on October 6th.... Um... "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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The employer-employee relationship is an actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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For all my democracy lovers, don't forget about economic democracy;
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
–MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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It been happening for 76yrs...
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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SHillary said there was a ceasefire on October 6... This is what she thinks of ceasefire looks like; "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Land is a monopoly price because it has an inelastic supply, basically you can't just make more space. In fact a lot of the price of land is dependent on the surrounding amenities, like closeness to downtown, schools, parks and scenic areas. Increased rental prices go to landlords who didn't even make the amenities that increased the value.
"The rent of land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give." — Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, Book I, Chapter XI "Of the Rent of Land"
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"There are three kinds of violence. The first, mother of all the others, is institutional violence, that which legalizes and perpetuates domination, oppression and exploitation, that which crushes and laminates millions of men in its silent and well-oiled wheels. The second is revolutionary violence, which arises from the desire to abolish the first. The third is repressive violence, the object of which is to stifle the second by making itself the auxiliary and the accomplice of the first violence, that which engenders all the others. There is no worse hypocrisy to call violence only the second, while pretending to forget the first, which gives birth to it, and the third which kills it." - Dom Helder Camara.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The insidious dynamic of employment is that it's a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system into more of a cooperative system if we wish to value each other.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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We don't just need unions we need cooperatives for profit sharing and co-ownership by the workers themselves! Here's how a cooperative has helped wages for its members in Cleveland, Ohio;
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
Cooperatives also make sure to take care of their members during economic downturns, they get creative and find other jobs and will often cut upper management salaries to keep more people employed.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Instead of just listing industries, why don't we have socialism?
E: Do people still realize that we can modify humans like objects... No not slavery but give me second here; Employment is literally renting another human being as if their property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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They purchased billions of their own stock while telling you that they don't have enough money for raises!!
Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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So what? "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@paulb8030 Taxing the rich and providing social services is one start, collective bargaining through unions is another, but for me I see worker cooperative as a foundational aspect of building a new economy. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model.
They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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It's not just private equity it's capitalism in general! Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor for a CEO/ boss is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
Save democracy, create economic democracy!
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"There are three kinds of violence. The first, mother of all the others, is institutional violence, that which legalizes and perpetuates domination, oppression and exploitation, that which crushes and laminates millions of men in its silent and well-oiled wheels. The second is revolutionary violence, which arises from the desire to abolish the first. The third is repressive violence, the object of which is to stifle the second by making itself the auxiliary and the accomplice of the first violence, that which engenders all the others. There is no worse hypocrisy to call violence only the second, while pretending to forget the first, which gives birth to it, and the third which kills it." - Dom Helder Camara.
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Employment is just renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property, a wage is basically just a dividend on human capital. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other as human beings.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Capitalism will commoditize everything! You thought your data was bad, wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Bernie Sanders knows the truth; Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@darkdan3379 It's always a transfer of wealth. Everyday capitalism is a plutocratic transfer of wealth. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
The disenfranchisement of individuals ability to make decisions about the institutions that they live their lives in, through the legal separation of power of absentee ownership from its users/members. Building socially equitable democratic institutions that empower individuals at local levels, are opposed to far off absentee orders, decreasing inequality while increasing freedom.
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We can't just break them up, we have to change the way they are structured; we need economic democracy. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The insidious dynamic of employment is that it's a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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I'm hijacking my own comment to post my three favorite MLK quotes. Why? Because I'm such a strong believer in political democracy I feel the need to advocate for economic democracy.
"Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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I don't think it's a good thing; Wage Labor Is Renting Yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@vidiveniviciDCLXVI Wrong- socialism doesn't mean "muh government". Plenty of socialists from George Orwell and Martin Luther King jr both talk about the evils of capitalism and how it needs to be supplanted by socialism to create equality for workers. Both George Orwell and Martin Luther King jr were democratic socialist, by that I mean a reformist view to get rid of private property and allow workers to control the means of production. You can see in these quotes MLK Jr was against communism and against capitalism, but supported democratic socialist ideals, which is more in the vein of Robert Owen rather than Marx.
“Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.” – Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.” – Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
As a Democratic socialist I find it pretty annoying that you think you can tell me what my ideology is. I've done a lot of research on the philosophical background of the idea, and it sure as hell isn't Nordic social democracy. Thanks for trying, maybe actually research things before you start arguing about them;
"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that supports political democracy and some form of a socially owned economy,[1] with a particular emphasis on economic democracy, workplace democracy, and workers' self-management[2] within a market socialist economy, or an alternative form of decentralised planned socialist economy.[3] Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedom, equality, and solidarity and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realisation of a socialist society.[4] Although most democratic socialists seek a gradual transition to socialism,[5] democratic socialism can support either revolutionary or reformist politics as means to establish socialism.[6] Democratic socialism was popularized by socialists who were opposed to the backsliding towards a one-party state in the Soviet Union and other nations during the 20th century.[7]"
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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It's been t3®®0®1$m for decades... "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Thanks for the good news, Amy! Unfortunately all wage labor to a boss is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The insidious dynamic of employment is that it's a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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We need to internalize these negative externalities! Creating institutions that decrease negative externalities and give communities autonomy is incredibly important. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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🤦🏼 It's literally a pro-union channel. Unions are one form of actionable solution- so don't act like there aren't solutions provided within the context of this channel.
Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Oof. The woman that said there was a ceasefire before the on the 6th...
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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What about the loss that Palestinians have suffered for decades?
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
E: Netanyahu is to blame;
“Anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening H@m@s.” - Netanyahu, 2019 at a Likud party conference
"‘Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state." - NYT
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@littlebitofhope1489 🤦🏼🤦🏼 Is that all you got out of it? Lol, okay, let's unpack. The economic hardship and political disenfranchisement that we find ourselves in, just as the people felt in the '30s, synthesizes either a turn toward fascist totalitarianism or towards democracy. As people look for a strongman to fix their woes or they demand enfranchisement to fix it themselves- one is based on division and the other is inclusive. Being politically and economically conscious of our biases to these two possible 'solutions' helps us act more true to ourselves.
People are constantly talking about these two roads, whether they say the 'f' word or the 's' word or neither at all, it still is impossible to talk about change without invoking their ideas. Currently we have more MAGA-esque candidates and more socially conscious democrats (as opposed to corp dems) than anytime in the past few decades. Why? Because, like Orwell said, no one can avoid these two options. Let's remember that the hardship of the '30s produced Euro-fascism and US Social Security, which again, is just a choice between division and inclusion. Hope that helps.
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"There are three kinds of violence. The first, mother of all the others, is institutional violence, that which legalizes and perpetuates domination, oppression and exploitation, that which crushes and laminates millions of men in its silent and well-oiled wheels. The second is revolutionary violence, which arises from the desire to abolish the first. The third is repressive violence, the object of which is to stifle the second by making itself the auxiliary and the accomplice of the first violence, that which engenders all the others. There is no worse hypocrisy to call violence only the second, while pretending to forget the first, which gives birth to it, and the third which kills it." - Dom Helder Camara.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@causticgastrap2835 Thank you very much! If you don't mind me sharing one possible solution that I found, I don't mean to monologue but I've thought a lot about this stuff. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Socialism with moderate government. Cooperatives and other democratic non-governmental institutions can help build the economic backbone without everything being government-owned. Workers should control the means of production, not unelected government bureaucrats.
Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@hydromic2518 First of all capitalism is a terrible system. "Why?" You may ask, well wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership" and employing someone is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value.
We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other. Which is where socialism comes in. Socialism creates worker and community control of the means production which empowers workers to control the full product of their labor. For this reason capitalism cannot coexist with socialism because socialism is the abolishment of private property and the exploitation of people through wage labor.
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@willnitschke Then why is it that Noam Chomsky is a socialist and an anarchist (he is a anarcho-syndicalist)? I'm no anarchist, but it should be clear that socialist ideas are economic concepts and not tied to the presupposition of government. Socialism is a collectivist ideology, which some do advocate/ utilize the government to enact collectivist ideas, but it is not a necessity. Socialism is worker control of the means of production; It is inherently democratic as each worker gets a say in their own work place, as well as replacing landlords with resident or collective controlled housing.
No one said an advocacy of democratic socialism was voting out democracy, like fascism does. In fact, it is completely the opposite, democratic socialism is the voting in of political and economic democracy. It operates on a political landscape of democratic lawmaking, as well as the means of production being controlled democratically. This is in contrast to Marxist-leninist vanguardist socialism, which believes a small group of authoritarians can force the change to democratic economics- But the authoritarians usually don't want to let go of power and let democracy take hold. Democratic socialism is a bottom up structuring of socialism, not by a group of strongmen, but democratic populism.
Most of the democratic community-minded institutions that I believe democratic socialism would utilize are non-government groups, like modern capitalism uses for-profit shareholder corporations. Some of which are co-ops/ credit unions, collectives, trade unions, and community land trusts. Of course, democratic socialists also believe in utilizing municipalities as well as federal agencies when it is necessary... Kind of similar to today's economy where there are a mixture of largely non-government groups with governmental regulations and agencies, except people get more of a say in how the world works. Capitalism is inherently anti-democratic as it gives those with more wealth more "votes" than those with less wealth. You need to look no further than how most corporate shareholders receive not one vote per person, but one vote per share. More shares you own, the more votes you have- some share classes don't even have votes. Socialism, in an ideological sense, is bringing democracy to the economy, not to shareholders but to the people who work and live in these spaces.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@realgabrielflandes Hardly. Capitalism is authoritarian even if there is an equal defense of property rights, as there is an inequality of property that one class uses to dominate another. You see the capitalist notion of equality only is of equality among property, this does not pose as libertarian to man, but it is only libertarian to property- it means capital is free to reproduce and multiply at the expense of labor.
The employer-employee relationship is actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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@jbturtle The economic exploitation under capitalism is twofold, firstly they alienate decision making from the people who are doing the tasks. This division of decision making from material consequence is a prime factor in negative externalities associated with authority. But the primary economic extraction of value comes from renting people out and then pocketing the change. Profit sharing is a way that workers collectively share the full product of their labor. They can earn a wage and then collectively they decide whether to reinvest in certain aspects of production or to share the added value. In downturns less people are laid off and jobs are rearranged to make sure people have the ability to stay afloat and not be discarded and alienated by the institutions they depend on most. Personally I am a fan of cooperatives and their ability to subtly shift the mindset of people to think more in terms of community wealth building. Here is an example of how profit sharing has decreased exploitation by allowing people the full benefit of their product.
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@sunphoenix1231 No worries, man. Philosophically speaking, I would agree if we're talking about a pure form of liberalism. Although I would add some specificity, acknowledging that capitalism has historically utilized other forms of production too, like indentured servitude and slavery, as was the case in 17-1800's. In the book Debt: the First 5,000 years by David Graeber talks a bit about how it's rather odd that there's not much written history on the development of wage labor as compared to slavery, but that one of the key formations of wage labor was that of renting slaves. Where the slave would be rented and their owner would collect the whole sum or a large portion of the slave's wages.
Ideologically and through the material conditions of the industrial revolution capitalism has incentivized wage labor into a normalized pattern, but as seen in the young American colonies and states that capitalism's drive for profit sometimes mixed wage labor, indentures, and slavery into the capital owners algebraic equation of the factors of production. This is not static, but changes historically so I don't know how "fundamental" it truly is, but I completely agree that wage employment is a deep function of modern capitalism.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@d33pblu3 You know it's ironic, I'm not currently working right now but I still receive an income, and I'm not on government cash assistance. It's called dividend and interest. You see it's really capitalist that can sit around and do nothing while they watch their money grow. I've been paid dividends recently for doing nothing, my GOOGL is using $70 billion to buy back stock after it laid off 7,000 workers, and my NVDA is up 26% just this week because AI will start taking more jobs. To add to the irony it's the capitalists who are firing people and taking their jobs with automation and then blaming them for not working.
Do you realize people can still do work and retain the full value of their labor without giving it a way to shareholders who literally just sit around the house and talk about socialist ideology (me, lol)? It's called a Cooperative, and the Evergreen Cooperative in Cleveland Ohio has helped people increase their wages as well as share in the profits that they help create. Here's a snippet from an article;
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@Pantsinabucket "Human rental" is a novel term. The common leftist term "wage slave" always seemed hyperbolic, except in pure subsistence wage labor or child labor, so I felt like a better idea needed to be coined. The ideas are really actually a mixture of Benjamin Tucker's 'Trinity of Usury', John Locke's idea of 'self-ownership', Marx and Engels 'commodified labor', and nods to Austrian and neoliberal economics.
I really had the idea of calling employment a 'human rental' while reading Benjamin Tucker's State Socialism and Anarchism, in which he extends the idea of usury not just to the leasing of money but of wages and rent as well, in what he calls the Trinity of Usury. I liked the idea and thought about the interchangeability of the terms of rent, wage, and interest as just time-based payments for different factors of production. I thought I could emphasize the moral aspect of capitalism's dehumanization by labeling employment as rent, especially, if neoliberals are going to come up with terms like human capital. So if you're going to blame me for parroting, at least get the text right, lmao.
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@MegaLokopo So you admit every economic system is built on violence? So capitalism isn't voluntary 🤙 Solid. That's the based answer; all property systems enforced with physical force are violent... That's just kinda a tautology.
Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
Here's the coop the Preston model is based on;
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@X2LR8 Then explain the inflammatory action of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem or this;
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wait... Do you think this started on the 7th?? Palestinians have been under ōccūpåtīōn for 75 years, 1947 was the beginning of what's called the Nakba basically a Trail of Tears for native Palestinians. H** was started in 1987 to defend against Israeli forces- so obviously they didn't start it if they only formed in reaction to the IDF. In 2018 and 2019 Gazans literally had dozens of peaceful MLK-style marches called The Great March Of The Return... The IDF deleted over 220 marchers and literally placed bets on kneecapping marchers. You thought 40 kids was bad... How about 1,434?
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Democratic socialism is not social democracy (capitalist welfare). Democratic socialism pushes for economic democracy in the workplace.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@death-disco You know who one of my favorite socialists is, Martin Luther King Jr.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
–Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
In addition to civil rights socialist also gave you labor rights, like the 40-hour work week, workers compensation, and safer working conditions. If you think Lenin and Stalin are the only types of socialists you really need to read more books.
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Lock em' all up- but in order to continue to protect democracy in our government, I believe we need to create democracy in our economy. I've been interested in a grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@patsygroves3812 "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
So very Christian of you.
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@ryno4ever433 Well, I'm not saying it will happen overnight. But personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@AwesomeBlackDude The solution was in the first sentence 🤦🏼 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to cooperate and change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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There are people working to build connections for community wealth, like the Evergreen Cooperative in Cleveland, Ohio;
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@PineApple-bs8rt Cooperative economics is WAYYYY better.
The Preston Model has helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. I'd post a link to show how exactly it works, but the corporate monopoly would take it down.
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Now if only we could build a Democratic economy.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@ericmaclaurin8525 A proper tax system does nothing to address the systematic exploitation done by the wage-subject relationship. The employer-employee relationship is an actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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@asleepawake3645 That's unfortunately pretty true. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@angiebear8727 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@cynthiawhite9830 Every time I ask him for his thoughts on how he would spread economic democracy he has absolutely no contribution. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
James certainly does not provide detailed comments on how we should increase democracy.
The bot simply rehashes the same meme over and over.
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It's great that Trump's getting his comeuppance, but what kind of society would make better life for all of us? Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@anneguetschow3932 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@CarlGerhardt1 "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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🇮🇱 is a Tearer-ists state
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@ahwell123 Nope, I actually agree that there are instances in sports where trans competitors have an unfair advantage over their cis rivals. MMA and other contact sports definitely pose an increased risk, as physical damage to other participants can be increased disproportionately to the gender/weight class. Unfortunately, the average Fox propaganda and viewer goes over the top and turns this into vitriolic hatred... Which is, imho, disgusting. The common through line between the defamation settlement and this clip is the propagandic divisiveness and undertones of hatred. Orwell warned of the "2 minutes hate"... But today you can turn on Fox "news" and be inundated with hate 24/7.
My mother's family was a conservative Catholic upbringing, one of my mother's siblings was different- no, it wasn't a phase. It was through the ostrichization and lack of understanding that led my mother sibling to "depart" from us, they were their late '40s. It is okay to have calm views on the fairness of sports, but to dehumanize and intentionally ostracize these people breaks hearts and society. I still remembered the day in 2006 when I saw my stoic, conservative, Catholic grandpa was scared and cried as he got the news that one of his children was no longer alive. I care about trans rights because I care about my family, I miss my uncle, and I wish they were around today to be able to freely explore who they were. I know my grandpa loved his child, but I believe the conservative ideology alienated them from understanding their child for who they were.
The reason why the $787 MILLION defamation suit is pertinent to every single Fox "news" clip, is because it should remind you that they will tell you lies, no matter how big or detrimental they are. They will incite divisive hate based on false conjecture. They eroded confidence in the American electoral system, which is an attack on every American with a vote. If you vote or care about the truth in the slightest, you should only watch Fox as a critique of corporate propaganda.
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@ilfyf "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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You're just glossing over the decades of ethnic cleansing by Israel;
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@catherineenglish9542 Things have changed, some things for the better and some things for the worse. But we do continue to dehumanize each other in various ways and our economic system is literally based on it.
Employment is literally renting another human being as if their property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@CandyCarbonnier Thank you- Your comment that it's accessible means a lot. We can have grand and insightful ideas but if we can't share them in order to bring them into existence, they are all for not. If we can share these ideas and help people understand there is a possibility for change. I remember just 5 years ago I would tell people we need a four-day work week, and people would happily tell me I could work 4-10s.... Which completely misses the point and exposes how people are just so conditioned to the capitalist mentality; It's fish in water. But now there's studies being shown that 4-day work week can keep productivity similar, while burnout is decreased and overall happiness is increased.
Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@saltyp123 So you don't think there's anything wrong with feudalism or slave societies, because it's "just a system"... Bruh? If a system incentivizes people to act on bad behaviors, like putting greed before all else, that is a bad system that creates bad incentives for people!
The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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It can be a mix. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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If you love that, you'll love this... Did you know that wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@DeltaGreenA You guys realize there are other ways, right?? Cooperatives are economic democracy, if you want more money you can't just rent yourself you deserve to own the profits as well;
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@me-myself-i787 Lmao! Trust me I know how simple it is to plug in numbers into a compound calculator.... I used to set out rather realistic projections for my investments all the time. But the one thing that makes it really hard to keep investing and building wealth to a point where one feels secure enough to take off from work voluntarily, is to be forced out of a job because you're literally unable to fulfill the requirements of nearly any job because of disabling health issues.
I started working and investing at 13. Some of the first stocks that I bought are Home Depot and Google. I've saved and invested and put myself in quite a good position... But I was lucky enough to hear about investing at a young age and lucky enough to have the math brain to understand why compounding was so important. All that said and done, I'm still unemployable due to my health issues, and while I do rely on family and my stock account many things would be much more difficult without state assistance. It's easy to make plans, and it's a bit harder to stick to them... I was able to do both for awhile and set myself up in a good way for the position that I'm in currently, but even though I'm young, and even my health is quite fragile, and that can quickly make you have to scrap your little table to a $1M, just like I had to.
I'm not disagreeing with the math because the math is just the math, but I am speaking from the standpoint of life experience as well as an understanding of economics and finance. One of those economics/ finance lessons is that the understanding that sometimes the economy doesn't make the math work out for most people. Investing $10K/yr is rough when 64% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and most of them can't afford a $1,500 emergency. That would indicate that they don't need to spend money on investments, they should put money into their emergency funds. When people's education, health care, insurance, and housing costs all rise higher than inflation but their wages barely keep up with inflation... That's a deficit that's not going to be magically funded. CEOs and shareholders dividend pay/ buybacks have drastically increased at the expense of workers. I speak as a $GOOG shareholder who is getting a portion of capital appreciation due to $100B in buybacks, meanwhile 7,000 Alphabet employees got laid off. Home Depot loves to give me 8-20% dividend increases annually... But would totally hesitate to increase their wages 8 to 20% annually, and I've literally never done any work other than scan something at the self checkout at Home Depot.
C'mon, I'm a shareholder and even I understand how unfair it is. I hope this wasn't too long for you to read, but I just want you to know the real world example of how those projections sometimes turns out.... It's all a probability curve ;)
P.S. The ACA and Medicaid have saved my life.... Literally.
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@JosiahTaschuk Totally! Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Starbucks needs to be a full blown workers co-op, unions usually just negotiate. Take all the power back. 💪✊
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@humanwithaplaylist Personally, I find a revolution to be too volatile/ chaotic, you can't necessarily insure with high probability that your cause will win out in the chaos of revolution- a strategic approach would be to only use revolution when you know your chances are in high probability. I've been interested in a reformist approach through two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Cleveland model/Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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War on education is a War on the Power of the People!
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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If more businesses were cooperatives they would share the profits instead of hoarding them for stock holders.
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@laymansview5246 And here is another one from 2021, this piece is from the intercept, titled Joe Manchin Dirty Empire;
"...For decades, Manchin has profited from a series of coal companies that he founded during the 1980s. His son, Joe Manchin IV, has since assumed leadership roles in the firms, and the senator says his ownership is held in a blind trust. Yet between the time he joined the Senate and today, Manchin has personally grossed more than $4.5 million from those firms, according to financial disclosures. He also holds stock options in Enersystems Inc., the larger of the two firms, valued between $1 and $5 million.
Those two companies are Enersystems Inc. and Farmington Resources Inc., the latter of which was created by the rapid merging of two other firms, Manchin’s Transcon and Farmington Energy in 2005. Enersystems purchases low-quality waste coal from mines and resells it to power plants as fuel, while Farmington Resources provides “support activities for mining” and holds coal reserves in the Fairmont area. Over the decades, whether feeding tens of thousands of tons of dirty waste coal into the power plants in northern West Virginia or subjecting workers to unsafe conditions, Manchin’s family coal business has almost entirely avoided public scrutiny."
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@laymansview5246 Here is a piece of a 2011 article from the New York Times;
Sen. Manchin Maintains Lucrative Ties to Family-Owned Coal Company
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is more than just a supporter of his state's influential coal producers -- he's a full-fledged industry insider.
On his financial disclosures for 2009 and 2010, Manchin reported significant earnings from Enersystems Inc., a coal brokerage that he helped run before his political star rose. In the 19 months before winning his Senate seat in a hard-fought special election, Manchin reported operating income of $1,363,916 from Enersystems. His next disclosure showed $417,255 in Enersystems income.
Manchin's Enersystems earnings are less than eyebrow-raising in a chamber where more than half the members routinely report net worths above $1 million.
That he derives income from an industry while acting as one of its biggest boosters, however, puts Manchin in a smaller group of lawmakers who play a central policymaking role in sectors that help their bottom line -- such as Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), a pharmacist with health care influence on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), whose sale of stock in his family hospital chain sparked a 2005 federal probe.
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It goes on if you want to look it up, I can't link it cuz the post will be taken down.
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The employer-employee relationship is an actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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@wtice4632 lol, nobody said they didn't have markets, I said relations were much less commodified. Where were the labor markets? Oh, that's right, serfs were bonded to the land and their payments were often in kind (the monopolized wheat mill wouldn't ask for cash payments, but rather, say, 1/7 of the milled wheat). They didn't have a normalized cash nexus for labor. That's not to say there was no monied employment, but it was not commoditized like it is today.
There were other institutions like village commons and monastic estates, which acted as places to obtain resources with little to no cash payment. With the advent of the Protestant Reformation, those properties were seized by Henry VIII and enclosed into plots to be sold off as private feehold/ fee simple property titles. As feudal ties dissolved with the transfer to private ownership, more peasants moved into cities to seek employment, which led to the rise in commodizing labor through labor markets. Bruh... Last time I checked, bonded labor/ serfdom wasn't capitalistic 🤦🏼🙄
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@Cardd_inal13 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I'm not for completely abolishing markets but I believe in creating institutions that utilize non-market mechanisms to decrease the influence of market commoditization of society. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. There are many names for it like cooperativeism or a 'pluralistic commonwealth', but it basically boils down to democratic socialism.
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@jimwerther You think behavioral economics is based on a victim mentality? I don't think you understand what behavioral economics is, buddy. Maybe you should learn about things before you speak about them, that's pretty sad that you're so propagandized that you don't care about empirical studies of how people actually make decisions in the real world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe you should do some reading before you criticize, because that doesn't seem like rational behavior.... Oh wait, humans aren't rational and you aren't acting rational, proving my point. Rational Choice Theory is bunk ;)
"Understanding Behavioral Economics
In an ideal world, people would always make optimal decisions that provide them with the greatest benefit and satisfaction. In economics, rational choice theory states that when humans are presented with various options under the conditions of scarcity, they would choose the option that maximizes their individual satisfaction. This theory assumes that people, given their preferences and constraints, are capable of making rational decisions by effectively weighing the costs and benefits of each option available to them. The final decision made will be the best choice for the individual. The rational person has self-control and is unmoved by emotions and external factors and, hence, knows what is best for himself. Alas behavioral economics explains that humans are not rational and are incapable of making good decisions." investopedia, behavioral economics (If I post the link it'll get removed)
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@pads-zr9ln You tell me... 40 vs 1434...
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@jackietate5222 What about it... You're really not making your point clear. Isräël is an āpārthēīd ethnöstäte, the US is not an ethnōstāte; although it is politically, economically, and morally protecting them. What I don't get is all this talk about English being the language of the US, but the US doesn't have an official language 🤦 You talk about how we are mainly of British genetics... I'm of Czechoslovakian descent 🧬 There are currently 8 indigenous Representatives, 4 (R)'s and 4 (D)'s. So yeah, I don't understand your point... Not because I have a lumberyard is my eye (lol), but rather because you're not making any sense. Obviously the US has a racist history, but that's why we have and continue to work towards decreasing racism.
In the öccüpïëd West Bank there are literally over 600 internationally illegal checkpoints for Palestinians. They have different license plates for the two races because there are also separate roads. They bulldoze Palestinian homes and set up their own settlements that steal water and dump their trash down onto West Bank Palestinians. It's literally äpärthëïd/ Jim Crow, and Manifest Destiny all in one. Those things should be relegated to past tragedies, they definitely shouldn't be a part of current events.
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@peternixon1460 Last I checked the US doesn't have single payer, Obama opted for the ACA, largely due to insurance companies that donated to him. I voted for Obama, so don't act like I don't understand pragmatism of voting Blue, I vote Blue every election- but we don't have universal healthcare. So I'm not sure what you mean.
As far as labor rights, Socialists and Unions, largely. Just visited the Ludd Massacre memorial- socialist fought for your 40-hour work week, weekends, workers compensation, higher pay, better safety standards, and your 2x 15m breaks. You wonder why I'm a democratic socialist and not a corporate Democrat 🤔🤔
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@Rhiannon1261 Basically, yes. Personally, I've been interested in a system to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. It has helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@alexbotsama7086 atheist is kind of just a quick catch-all. If I wanted to get verbose about it, I might say I'm agnostic with secular Buddhist and psychedelically-spiritual inclinations. For somebody who claims to be secular, I myself have had quite a bit of spiritual experiences while tripping on psychedelics, and psychedelics even allowed me to better understand meditation. Kind of weird to say that I've had more "spiritual" experiences than most religious people, lol. Fun fact: creator of AA, Bill Wilson, originally thought psychedelics could be the "higher power" part of the 12 steps but when it was co-opted by church groups it became textualized more as "god".
Definitely nice talking with you. MLK is a good rallying figure for nonviolent civil rights in general, But I like to use him, George Orwell, and Albert Einstein as three of the most famous democratic socialists. Each one of them gives a slightly different view of the thoughts and goals of democratic socialism (MLK was nonviolent, but Orwell fought in the militias against Franco fascists), but they all agree on creating a democratic economy in order to preserve dignity for the working class and beyond.
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I've been listening to the Lex Friedman podcast with where he interviews professor Richard Wolff. It definitely gave me a better understanding of Marxism. Too many people confuse the Soviet Union with Marxism, they're not the same. Marxism is a theory of historical change due to economic factors that have inherent contradictions that eventually caused things to break down and change into something new.
Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@X2LR8 I just find it odd that self-defense is okay if it's 🇮🇱 BUT 🇵🇸 going through 57yrs of military control by a foreign government and you don't understand how the Oct7 was literally self defense after decades of human rights violations? That's what I don't get. They literally had peaceful marches in 2018 and 2019... But 🇮🇱 just pew-pew'd 200 of them.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
If 🇮🇱 going to light up civilians on the reg in a foreign country... Then that's not self defense. That's just military colonialism.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@Choosewisely-hb9nj As a veteran, shouldn't you know that this country was kick started based on a list of "crying" grievances called the 🇺🇸Declaration of Independence? 🇺🇸 I have a copy hanging up right behind me- I'm a leftist that likes the Declaration Of Independence and Constitution🇺🇸; what's funny is that I don't think you could cope with the fact that I don't align with the identity politics you think I should have 🤡
I hope you know that people crying about change led to the revolutionary war and thus American independence from Britain, as well as civil rights and labor rights. But I'm sure you'd rather be working 10 hours a day 6 days a week, on low wages, with no benefits, much more hazardous work conditions and no workers' compensation.... American socialists fought for those labor rights.
"Cry babies like Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams had to go grieve to the king, they should just shut up and be loyalists- don't try to improve the country because it's already as good as it can get, the Protestant Church of England says so (Gods will)" 🤮🤮🤮 That's what you'd sound like if you got transported back to 1776
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@chuckleaf8027 There are many ways of creating Democratic socialism but one way that helps keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, is called the Preston Model. It has helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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We need to figure out an economy that's not based on international exploitation. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@j.a.p.818 Most conceptions of democratic socialism usually involve many cooperatives, not just one centralized government bureaucracy. Democratic socialism can have small amounts of government to large amounts of government, just like capitalist economies. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@AlcheMychael "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@rich1807 I do get it, you just care about the economy. You don't care that he said on truth social that he thinks the Constitution should be terminated. Here I thought presidents swore an oath to the Constitution... But I guess you're right, that could just be a lie. After you established that you don't care about Trump's track record of fraud and not caring about the Constitution I gave up. That was a week and a half ago. Ever since then I was just seeing how long you'd get duped back in to a conversation where I just low-effort repeat the same thing over, and over, and over. Just like how Trump scams over, and over, and over again, for so low effort money.
Today I've been having some philosophical and spiritual epiphanies, and I'm trying to choose kindness more than stirring up division. So, I'm sorry that I spent nearly 2 weeks trolling you- I still think it's horse sh1t that you are okay with a fraud being your president, especially one that openly says he doesn't respect the Constitution- but trolling does nothing productive, so I'm coming clean instead of keeping it up.
Anyways, take care ✌️
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@rich1807 Lying that he has an extra $200M in property to use as collateral for loans is fraud, and giving NY State different numbers is tax fraud. Imagine you took a second mortgage out on a $500,000 house, but told the bank your house was worth $1.5M.... that would be fraud. But I'm a fan of the scientific method, I think you should test the hypothesis, since you dont think it's fraud.
Lol, you've defended him financially defrauding people in education, for his business loans, and dodging taxes... 🤡🤡🤡 FRAUD, FRAUD, AND MORE FRAUD. Bahahahahahahaha.... You're such a Stooge. Eating up all the male cattle excrement like a good little rube.
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@rich1807 FALSE;
"Trump claimed on multiple financial statements that his gilded Trump Tower triplex, assessed at $127 million, was valued at $327 million, "based on the apartment having 30,000 square feet of space multiplied by a certain price per square foot," the attorney general's office said.
"However, the actual size of Mr. Trump's triplex apartment was 10,996 square feet, and documents confirming that fact were signed by Mr. Trump himself in 2012," the report states.
"In testimony to OAG, Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg admitted that the value of Mr. Trump's apartment was overstated by 'give or take' $200 million.""
(Source: The Week)
If you know more than the CFO, then why didn't they ask you to testify??? Lmao. You keep making yourself look like a clown.
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@MondoChow777 I understand the importance of owning the means of production... Hence why I'm a dirty Lefty. Started working and investing when I was 13. I opened my first high interest savings account at 10 and my Roth IRA at 20. Frugality only gets you so far because there's a baseline to your needs, investing in LLCs has limited downsides and unlimited upside that earns you more than just pinching pennies, those pennies pinched have to be invested. I'm not going to brag about my tech returns because it's distasteful and honestly it makes me sad that in order to get ahead most people can't rely on just wages, they need to own appreciating assets that subjugate other workers and debtors like they are subjugated themselves. Since we have few and slim safety nets in this country investing is very important for a base level of financial security. Ironically as a leftist I do in fact preach investing, but only because I know there is power in owning capital and I want more lower/ middle class people to benefit.
Personally, my largest criticism of a lot of socialists / communists is that many eschew and don't understand finance/ economics, like using price controls that only foster a lack of supply. Understanding capitalism from the inside out has helped me identify specific inherent pieces of capitalism that should be critiqued, like systematic fiduciary and voting rights bias towards Capital. While also understanding important aspects of financial/ economic allocations and production that are necessary to contend with when thinking about the next system, like risk diversification and marginal utility. I hope that's enough examples for ya', cuz I ain't going to show ya' my portfolio, lol.
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@rogerbartlet5720 I did some research... And you're right. $1Billion in corporate bonds!
"New issues: Issuer Norfolk Southern Corp released international bonds (US655844CM86, US655844CN69) in the amount of USD 600, USD 400 mln maturing in 2032, 2053 respectively.
February 17, 2022 Cbonds
On February 15, 2022 issuer Norfolk Southern Corp released international bonds (US655844CM86, US655844CN69).
• In the amount of USD 600 mln with the coupon rate of 3% maturing in 2032. The issues were sold at the price of 99.999% at par. The bookrunners of the placement were Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, U.S. Bancorp.
• In the amount of USD 400 mln with the coupon rate of 3.7% maturing in 2053. The issues were sold at the price of 99.412% at par. The bookrunners of the placement were Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, U.S. Bancorp." - CBonds
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@CantoniaCustoms Yeah, capitalism sucks even if you put a happy face on it.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@d33pblu3 What free market? All I see is markets rigged by capitalists from literally before the genocidal inception of the Homestead acts. Capitalism has always used government violence to create and protect private property. The point of cooperatives is to change ownership from private to social, by switching to social ownership it changes the coordinating environment and incentives to disengage from being debased by markets. By democratizing ownership through cooperatives and other institutions, more democratic ways of allocating resources can be developed that don't use market forces.
Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value (which market forces naturally do). I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@perenoel657 Do you think freedom is renting people? Can't imagine what you thought about southern freedom pre-1865, lol. Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@Marqan Even somebody who's self-employed, I was for 8 years, is still dehumanized by the market. People are commoditized by the market which means that they are treated as if they're humanness expendable- working directly for your customers for cash is still hyperrationalized and constrained by market forces.
I'll give you two instances of how organizations can deal with downturns by caring about people or treating them as expendable. Firstly, cooperatives are a type of democratic business structure where everybody gets paid a wage but they are also entitled to the profits that they help produce and they have a say in how their workplace is run. Because cooperatives are run for the benefit of their members, they don't go and fire a bunch of people when a downturn happens; they look to take care of their fellow workers. When cooperatives democratically cooperate together they can more easily ride out downturns. Now on the flip side, while I wait for Social Security Disability, I have to live off of stocks. I own some GOOGL that's up almost 300%, with a recent boost to the share price being caused by them laying off 7,000 workers and then doing a $70 billion stock buyback. I mean, that's literally kicking out workers to pay shareholders. I don't know about you but the cooperative model seems like it values taking care of people more than taking care of capital.
My perspective is that we, as a species, made a huge moral leap in the 1800's by pushing to start the abolishment of owning other people as property. The morally better option was to give people the right to self-ownership. Unfortunately ownership within capitalism still sets up power structures that allowed one group of people to rent another group of people. Humans within capitalism will be valued for their profit making input as human capital, not for their human spirit or the cheer that they bring to others- through the lens of a balance sheet a human is just a piece of property to be exploited like all other capital resources. In this we have succeeded in abolishing slavery, but we haven't succeeded in not treating people as property to be commoditized. The next step to becoming a more caring and conscientious species is to abolish the ability to rent humans, and instead legalizing cooperative determination as a standard in the socioeconomic sphere. Democratic self-determination is an economic Right just as it is a political Right. In fact, political democracy will be perverted without economic democracy to fund its integrity.
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@DangRenBo What makes you think I don't have actionable solutions? Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
Preston was based on The Evergreen Cooperative, here how that's been; "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@thetapheonix What on Earth are you talking about with confiscation or buying oil land? Dude, it's a tax 🤦
The government doesn't have to buy the land/ resources or confiscate the land/ resources they just tax the value of the land/ resources, which leads to private stewardship and development, as well as socializing the value of land. Dude, this should have been obvious. Do you understand what Georgism is?
It really looks like you ignored the whole part of my comment about increasing cooperative equity... I talked about democratizing asset inflation. UBI can help people take extra risks to start their own business or buy equity into a cooperative. You straightforwardly deny the fact that diverting money from corporations to the people would affect income inequality... It literally democratized income. Then you bring it up as if I didn't know about it or didn't spend time writing about it decreasing CPI inflation by allowing more people to benefit from asset inflation (that's a feature not a bug, not all inflation is bad). The question isn't about nominal inflation, it's about whether real wages and real asset inflation are growing. Alaska and Norway are very remote areas, this leads to high transaction costs which get passed on, it's weird disingenuous that you would ignore such an obvious aspect. I also think it's weird that you're ignoring the fact that Norway has one of the highest standards of living and happiness, which raises the question how much value do you place on happiness?
You really couldn't google "taxes that decrease inflation"? Progressive income tax removes excess buying pressure from higher incomes, progressive consumption taxes can also do a similar thing. Land Value Tax puts extra pressure on speculators to develop it into something useful or put land on the market, this puts some more supply onto the market and increases the competitive forces within the real estate market.
I honestly don't know if you understand, or are even reading, anything in my comments, because you seemed to talk right past me. If it looks like you're doing that again I'm just going to peace out.
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@HH-le1vi Even co-ops have profits/ surplus, it's just shared;
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@elbarto4069 Why is that the false dichotomy? Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@1MarkKeller There's a couple groups that are working on socialist ideas without calling them socialist. It's been called the Cleveland model or the Preston model, and technically a "Pluralistic Commonwealth", but ultimately it's a vision of forming democratic socialism. There are a couple think tanks called The Democracy Collaborative and The Next System Project that have worked in communities like Cleveland, US and Preston, UK to rebuild communities by building institutions that create community wealth. Cooperatives, community land trusts, public banks are all integrated institutions that when working together can create big changes for the better in people's daily lives.
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@BigTrees4ever There were many capitalist theorists. According to the metaphysical philosophy of John Locke, wage labor is essentially renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
"Taking back the word capitalism" isn't going to save us, we need social ownership of the means of production to make economic democracy a Right, just like political democracy is a Right.
E: you really call Hitler a socialist?? 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 Next the DPRK with be 'democratic'. Please, take some time to learn some more political philosophy.
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@jaehparrk Integrated networks of Democratic institutions like cooperatives, credit unions, and community land trusts. Here's an example of what just one cooperative can do for its worker members;
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@llee8325 "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
Now imagine if instead of GM being sold back to shareholders after the government bailed it out, if it was sold to workers and run as a worker cooperative.
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@kevinh5983 Where does this coffee shop get its land for the shop? Was it violently extracted from native Americans through violence?? It's not just about the final product, it's about the factors of production too 🤦🏼 You're just using abstract concepts, I'm talking real history. Bud, I understand the ideal concept of capitalism, but show me where it exists in the real world. Because the coffee shops in my area got their land violently through the grapevine from native Americans. Dude, you're talking about abstract concepts... I'm asking about the real world. You're not on the same page.
Don't strawman me and act like I don't understand what capitalism is when you can't even point to a real world example of capitalism, lmao. All ideology is a mediated reconciliation between the ideal and the reality... You seem to be stuck in Plato's ideal forms over here 🤡 Jokes on you, I'm living off my stock portfolio; I understand how capitalism works (in reality)... That's why I collect dividend checks on other people's hard work. I know that this is a system that fires thousands of people just so it can give shareholders stock buybacks; because capitalism has a biased preference towards capital. Who woulda thought, huh? Lmao
P.S. cute Stalin strawman 😂🤣 How fallacious are you trying to be? You do realize even George Orwell was staunchly antiStalinist and was still a democratic socialist 🤦🏼 Of course, you didn't, because you don't know the first thing about the definition of Stalinism or democratic socialism. Hahaha, you crack me up.
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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@@whendoesitend Lmao, heres my anti-capitalistic meme
"The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other."
Yeah, nothing I didn't know before ✌️
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@silverXnoise You called them "absurd thought experiments"... your words. Don't gaslight me. Lmao, at one point John Locke's ideas of self-ownership in a feudalist world were absurd. You literally called progress "absurd".
E: "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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They talked about Gh_z_ the same way "unprovoked"...
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. When cooperatives and other socially owned institutions become the dominant players in politics and the economy, that is Democratic socialism.
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@anticom6099 You sound like somebody who would have happily justified feudalism.... "You can't blame the Lord forever, be a better serf" 🤮
The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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So you'd rather wage suppression and no profit sharing? 🤔😅😂
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@turnerfamilyinozi Yup, you guessed it. Christian's are so hate filled about gays that they always forget that eating shrimp, lobster, and crab is just as much as abomination. Funny when you think of all the Southern Christians having their crawdad cookouts. Then there are the Christians that get Bible verses tattooed on them, even though it says in Leviticus to not get tattoos or piercings. Either follow the book of Leviticus or don't, these ChristoFash punks just cherry pick.
"9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you."
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@wearebecomedeathstar2658 If you've read Chomsky or Marx, these are two socialists that radically disagree about how to achieve Socialism YET they both agree that socialism is the abolishment of Capitalism by abolishing private property that underlies capitalism and it's profit motive. It's pretty ridiculous to say I can't use socialists of different types to show the throughline of what socialism is; asking an expert is not an appeal to authority, no more than asking a mechanic to look at a car- smh.
Private property can be understood as control without directly working the property, for instance, if I own a share of stock I own a portion of the capital goods in the business and can vote at shareholder meeting on how the company should be managed- even I don't work at the firm. Co-ops and mutual aid associations don't have shareholders, they have members that directly use the good/ service. Production under socialism is for the use-needs of the society, not for private profits of capitalist. If you've read either Marx or Chomsky you should know that. But cool, keep asserting that I don't "know what socialism is" even though I have read wayyyy more socialist philosophy than you have. The amount of insincerity and arrogance it takes to hand wave away key people who help create the philosophy in the first place as "appeals to authority", is frankly, childish and complete unproductive.
You literally said "America is a socialist nation". To think that the military is "socialism" when the US uses its military to destabilize countries thinking about socialism and to install capitalist-friendly dictators is just ridiculous. But some people just like making themselves look ridiculous, take care, bud- maybe do some more research.
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@laymansview5246 I heard $500k quoted in a news piece awhile ago, maybe it was talking about a specific year, I don't know. But okay, sure, call it 410. It was $410k of corruption not $500k.... It's still CORRUPT to the tune of 100s of thousands of dollars. I think you're missing the point entirely 🤦🤦🤦
"Um, sir, ackually between the years of 2011 and 2022, he only only had conflicts of interest of, on the average, $410,000 per annum. So mathematically speaking he is only 82% as corrupt as you said." 🤓 Jeez, you must be fun at parties. But sure, I'll say $410k next time, good grief.
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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If you thought that was bad;
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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You think it's just these 2?
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Gave Gaza back... Then besieged it and regularly raided it, restricting food/m d imports and deleting 1,025 kids. Oh, and Håmås won with 44%. Get your facts straight.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@l-uk3xm "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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You say they got their territory back and yet the IDF still roamed in and deleted over a thousand kids... Acting like maintaining a 17-year siege is freeing the population is absolutely crazy.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@Jordan-tq2jc Socialism is not about "centralization". Marxist-Leninism uses centralization, but that's just one type of socialism. Socialism is workers control of the means of production, or basically economic democracy. There is no "one" socialism but notion is expressed in many forms, just like capitalism has many forms. There are democratic socialists, who usually want a smooth reformist push toward a democratic government and a democratic economy. Orwell, MLK jr, and Enistien were all notable democratic socialists, and they all where strongly opposed to authoritarianism. Noam Chomsky is an anarcho-syndicalist (like Dennis from Monty Python), which means he doesn't like the government and he wants trade unions to seize control of production. Marxist-Leninists see centralization and state authoritarianism as necessary to abolish private property. To summarize, socialism doesn't mean government centralization and calling FED actions "socialist" is fallacious.
Personally, I've been interested in a grassroots movement called the Next System Project. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures in the US and UK. In addition to trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market, I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
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@HateTheIRS Cool, thanks for sharing. My taxable account is on a 5-10yr horizon so I can hopefully put a down payment on a house. I know growth companies face some headwind in the short term but I think my top holdings I've chosen have good management and ride on trends that will push them through.
My Roth has 34yrs before I can draw on the gains, so it's aggressively growth oriented, holding QQQM, SMH, AMD, ARK funds, ETHE (Ethereum trust), NDAQ, and some other small moon bets. XLY looks like a good addition- You also gave me the idea to add VUG to the Roth for better diversification than the Qs, thanks. Switching to dividends is pretty far out for me, when I do need low volatility and some dividends I like VIG. Although I plan to keep many of these risk on bets, I do plan to add to lower risk assets with future contributions.
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@louislong1514 Before the crash ARk was up 700%... Which is in between the two examples you gave. And before you go saying then I'm neglecting the crash... Volatility is what I expected when I bought it- longer time horizons are specifically made to adjust for more volatility, that's why it's a caveat that she always says. Yes, I'm down +30%, does it hurt a little, sure... Does it worry me, No. Because I believe in the underlying technologies that are driving the companies that her and her research team are picking. Are all of the companies good, certainly not, but she doesn't have to bat a 1000.
The biggest problem that I see with ark is that people run into her funds when prices are going up and they run out when things are cheap- that's exactly why Peter Lynch closed the Magellan fund. I buy and hold until my conviction changes or the opportunity cost vs benefit analysis changes. It's not even like I'm all in either, ARK funds make up less than 6% of my holdings, it's an okay bet sizing for the risk. I also held AAPL and NFLX for 4 years, so it's not like I missed gains. I'm late to NDVA, but it's a high conviction triple bagger in the next decade, so I have some now.
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@CouchInvestor "A document leaked to TechCrunch revealed that Palantir's clients as of 2013 included at least twelve groups within the U.S. government, including the CIA, the DHS, the NSA, the FBI, the CDC, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, the Special Operations Command, the United States Military Academy, the Joint Improvised-Threat Defeat Organization and Allies, the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. However, at the time, the United States Army continued to use its own data analysis tool.[29] Also, according to TechCrunch, the U.S. spy agencies such as the CIA and FBI were linked for the first time with Palantir software, as their databases had previously been "siloed."[29]"
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@robertburns4429 😂🤣 Okay, get ripped off by rent seekers that sell you the Earth right from under your feet. It's illegitimate income, in terms of a labor theory of property, even Adam Smith acknowledged that fact;
"The rent of land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take; but to what the farmer can afford to give." — Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, Book I, Chapter XI "Of the Rent of Land"
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@TJ-zs1pl Why do you fetishize employment? You do realize that employment is literally just renting another human being as if their property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Once in a lifetime opportunity... Sorry kids...
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Unironically, the answer is.... Socialism
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@kushcapone The employer-employee relationship is an actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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I think you mean corpocracy, where businesses control the government for profit- as with modern day corporate lobbying. Corporatism, on the other hand, is a more complex philosophy of class collaboration, often bringing together different parts of the body politic (corporal means body) together, like workers, bosses, the church, the government, and other institutions. Greedy capitalists and politicians use corpocracy, but fascists and Catholics espouse corporatism.
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The employer-employee relationship is an actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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@billedifier8584 Tbh, I don't think you know what 'corporatism' is, that word is so misused it's basically cliche. I'm going to guess you're talking about 'corpocracy' (basically corrupt capitalism) rather than the mutual cooperation of various groups, like the state, labor unions, business, the church, NGO'S, etc, in society create a corporal interconnectedness as outlined by the Catholic Church as the concept of 'corporatism'.
Oh, and btw: corrupt, 'corporatic' crony capitalism is still capitalism.
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Arthur Pigou tried to tell people about taxing negative externalities, and even subsidizing positive externalities. But real world capital owners bribe governments so they don't start taxing negative externalities, like carbon. Capitalism is a system that necessarily disenfranchises most of the population and therefore decisions are made in the interest of capital owners and not people of the planet... Where the agreeing to agree breaks down, because the decision making isn't structured in a way that values the opinion of 80% of the population.
The employer-employee relationship is an actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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The employer-employee relationship is an actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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@ICDeadPeeps It's about PRIVATE PROPERTY not personal ownership. Private property creates wage labor, and wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The insidious dynamic of employment is that it's a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own enough capital goods to make enough income other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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No, it's a biblical right, It's literally called the "law of jealousy", Numbers 5: 26 - 31
26The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial e offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
29“ ‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’ ”
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@HelloWorld-ns7gt Nope, I actually thought about this- because I am well aware that the Bible's been translated numerous times- So I went to bible hub, each line is shown from a hundred different biblical translations each one was slightly different wording but all demand the chemical miscarriage of an unfaithful pregnancy. For your convenience I will provide multiple translations of Numbers 5: 27;
New Living Translation
If she has defiled herself by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings on the curse will cause bitter suffering. Her abdomen will swell and her womb will shrink, and her name will become a curse among her people.
International Standard Version
When he has had her drink the water, if she was defiled and had acted unfaithfully toward her husband, then the contaminated water that brings a curse will enter her and infect her, causing her abdomen to swell and her thigh to waste away. Then she is to be a cursed woman among her people.
JPS Tanakh 1917
And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, if she be defiled, and have acted unfaithfully against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away; and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
New American Bible
Once he has had her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter into her to her bitter hurt, and her belly will swell and her uterus will fall, so that she will become a curse among her people.
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I hope you know that the Bible is pro abortion too, Numbers 5: 26 - 31
26The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial e offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
29“ ‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’ ”
The sanctity of life is based on the father's paternity, the paternity is not correct and abortion is commanded by God.... And the priest should be the abortion doctor.
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@dernvader6876 🤦🏼 What are you on right now that's giving you such an ego trip? I had a few grades of N,N (yellow to white with tinge of yellow). It was winter so I was doing it out of a dab rig inside, because I don't smoke weed bowls inside. It was great a few times as I was just rolling it in some bho and dabbing, and then I move pouring it in on a card.
That worked a couple times and then I slid wayyyy too much in- I wasn't even finished inhaling before the sound echoed in my head and I saw my dabberg multiply linearly across the room and then I was moved forward into a temple and shot up through countless mult icolored dimensions and then landed on a plain of sketched cartoon hoodlum characters- who didn't want me there because I got way too high and the scenery was literally like I was in the wrong part of town. They proceeded to beat my psyche up with a 2x4, psychic punches and one of them even through a brick at me. As I came down I fell through the cloud and was then falling through multiple layers of dimensions until my DMT blood levels plateaued. Definitely taught me to be a little bit more careful with how much I use, haha.
But dude I've literally found out how to turn off the chatter in my head and be in the here and now because of LSD- It makes me truly curious why somebody, like yourself, needs to feel like puffing out their chest. What lessons have you learned from psychedelics... As I've proven it doesn't matter how high you get and what niche thing you did- that's just a hilarious excuse for dick measuring- It matters what you derive from the experiences. The more I observe the more I believe wisdom is derived from self-awareness, self-reflection, and most importantly, humility.
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@timmitoz1380 I get the law of large numbers thing, but big companies can also create whole new markets that have high returns, but have the barrier to entry of high capital expenditures. And let's just be honest from an investor standpoint, doesn't it feel a little bit better to own a high growth form with a big name that most people have news coverage on rather than something obscure that has more information asymmetries than could jackpot with large gains or just hide big risks. Nasdaq100 has lots of high quality companies and high quality firms trades at a premium.
Have you looked at Nvidia's guidance? 80% yoy growth this quarter and 67 next quarter, yes, it's slowing, but it's still massive for a company with 50B+ in net income. ForwardPE of 34 due to large earnings growth projections, which yes, is nearly half of the current 62, so net income is expected to nearly double in 4 quaters. New chips have pent up demand as hyperscalers look to make 100k-300k chip clusters. Then there's robotics and FSD cars. Nvidia is opening up 100s of billions in new TAM. That's something a small cap can't do. As for a Bitcoin, it produces no cash flows (the network can supply miners with revenue but that's dependent on people holding and wanting the underlying asset that has no cash flow). Its price has largely been a reflection of currency inflation and political instability pit against its limited supply, which is why there's the overused euphemism is that it's "digital gold".
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If you want an interesting police corruption case, look up the train track boys, who were most likely murdered by a corrupt cop who was collecting cocaine dropped from CIA planes, like the ones Barry Seals dropped coke from. The medical examiner had some pretty ridiculous autopsy claims for the boys and other witnesses that turned up dead. So the boys parents had two other private autopsies done, and both were very different from the public examiner, appointed by none other than the Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton. Crazy story. FBI, CIA, and DEA have 16,000 pages of documents on the case, and only 2000 have been released mostly blacked out.
So yeah, basically don't trust the authorities just because they have authority.
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@gaywizard2000 Yeah, I'm not your average American in terms of political education, lmao. I've studied political science and economics for 10 years. And why do you think I agree with the Bush response to Katrina... 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Bush and Cheney were a catastrophe everywhere they went for all 8 years. Lol, Why did you bring up hurricane Katrina, sad but irrelevant? And why would you assume that I agree with the Bush response? So many questions.... So many facepalms🤦🏼
The fact that you can't acknowledge that money in politics is a huge corrupting force speaks volumes for how little you know. 'Testing Theories of American Politics:
Elites, Interest Groups, and Average
Citizens', was published out of Princeton in 2014 by Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page, and since then other papers have come out collaborating their evidence that public policy is heavily distorted by elite interests. But I assume actual studies about political economy don't really pique your interest... You'd rather just make some stuff up about a country you don't even live in, lmao. Peace out, Looney Toon ✌️
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@shlockofgod So you understand that economic rent is extracted, literally getting money for doing nothing but speculating, by violating the Lockean Proviso. You say "ownership" but do you realize that there are many different ownership systems? Do you understand that saying that just saying you have self-ownership doesn't make people feel free.
The employer-employee relationship is actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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@BP-fu6kk Personally, I've been interested in a grassroots movement called the Next System Project. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping people live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Personally, I've been interested in a grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@self_improvement_d But that's the problem they didn't work for their money... Home Depot just gave me a raise but I've never worked there (Okay, I did do the self checkout yesterday but they don't pay me for that work, lol). They increased my dividends, increasing my income with me doing no work. I might have worked for the principal purchase price but my capital gains and dividends were not a function of my labor at Home Depot.
Alienating the workers at Home Depot from the work that they do just because you put in money early doesn't justify shareholders taking disproportionate amount of gains while their workers struggle to pay rent. I'm no super wealthy capitalist, but I do understand how capitalism works from many different perspectives.
If you need another zero you're not halfway to a billion. You make a interesting point on the exponential compounding, but what about other risks. I mean, I had a good investment plan until my health fell apart and now I'm unemployed... Guess what I'm trying to say is don't count your chickens before they roost. Life and investment come with risk, but yes, compounding is one of the ways capitalism magnifies wealth and creates the material conditions of abundance. The problem with capitalism is it aggregates power and wealth to a select few that then dictates conditions to the rest of the people. Workers don't control their labor under capitalism because they don't have the proper bargaining power against concentrated capital, which is why unions are so important. Nordic countries have stronger labor unions and have less worker regulations imposed by the state because unions allow a more equal bargaining position. I learn to invest at an early age and even as a socialist I still invest as owning the means of production is the only way for me to keep my head above water.
"Within the last 10 years, Home Depot has increased it by 18.74% annually." I don't see workers getting raises over 18% ANNUALLY. That is what capital bias is.
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@akastewart So you're just hand waving all the capitalist violence out of the way and ask "why aren't they starting more co-ops?".... Capitalism is not friendly to social ownership- Capitalism values profit socialism values worker freedom. When violently protecting (law enforcement) private property keeps incentivizing only the institutions that create profit to grow and dominate the economy. Worker cooperatives are going to seem small because they aren't fixated on unlimited growth, they're fixated on helping their members. You're literally comparing apples and oranges and wondering why one of them isn't citrusy like the other... It's like there's two different fruit that have two different biological processes that create different results. You do realize that the United States has caused coup d'etat in multiple democratically elected governments in order to convert them to more authoritarian capitalist banana republics? There was a long history of bloody labor movements across the world because capitalist literally wouldn't raise wages so workers could feed their families.
Of course I know that slaves didn't want to be there... The commonality of the example is being put on a market and not valued for who you are as a person but rather your return on investment for a master, either a wage master or slave master. I mean, of course it's not the same institution that's why it's an analogy because it's not a perfect example, just in certain regards. Same with the prostitution example, a boss is analogous to a pimp who siphons off money using the threat of violence- sorta on that note, strippers at one place have started to unionize and this gives them more autonomy over their body and receive larger portion of the net income they worked for.
You really love a system where 64% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and then you suggest they just pool their money to make a co-op.... If they're living paycheck to paycheck, what money? I mean, I'm not saying things aren't possible, there's been a lot of progress in the labor movement over the past 200 years. In 1823 people worked 12 to 16 hour days 6 days a week for low pay and few safety standard.... But there was a lot of blood spilled in order to get basic worker protections, I don't think you're really appreciating the size of task you're talking about. Feudalism wasn't ended in a day, nor was I ended in a century. Feudalism in England began to shrink starting with the signing of the Magna Carta and dwindled into the late 1800s as land enclosure parcels were privatized. That's basically 600 years until you get industrial capitalism from the creation of the first political rights for Lords. Things take time, calling people "LARPers" is hilarious... Do you think UPS, UAW, SAGAFTA workers are just LARPing when they threaten to go on strike? This isn't a LARP- this is real life, not roleplay. People are having a hard time paying for rent, medical expenses, and schooling- that is real life, not roleplay.
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@jbturtle I personally owned $AAPL for 5yrs... I made 350% profit and I never worked a single day at Apple. Why do you think employees would just leave when they could be pocketing that 350% profit instead of absentee shareholders like me? Why wouldn't they want to participate in profit sharing in one of the the most profitable corporations on the planet? Instead of giving a $90 billion in share buybacks to absentee shareholders, you don't think the workers would want that $90 billion?? I mean, to be fair, it probably would be a bit less considering workers would have more of a say and they wouldn't be able to exploit Foxconn workers or China's slave labor, but still, you're telling me workers don't want to have the ability to decide who tells them what to do and to be able share in profits? I guess, I just don't see it.
I like banking at a credit union because they're less likely to screw me over than a traditional bank, because I'm an owner member. Capitalism is a fantastic idea on paper but in real life it ends up just screwing over most of the population to enrich a select few... don't act like capitalism is better. Just because feudalism existed in reality doesn't mean that it's a good system, saying that your system exists doesn't mean that it's justified.
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@TheGbelcher The reason why cooperatives are not more ubiquitous is not because they're not effective, but rather in which the value system of the property norms defines what "effective" is. Cooperatives are certainly effective at helping people gain autonomy over their own lives and profit from their own labor, but private property creates a system of laws that evaluates effectiveness based on the ability to create profit for absentee shareholders. When you say "effective" you're talking about being effective to enrich capital owners, I'm talking about being effective to take care of workers, society/ the unemployed/ disabled, and the planet. Your idea of effectiveness creates negative externalities that are literally killing the planet.... But you see no problem with that because that's not considered within the value system of private property.
Who cares if the 1% rolls over, it's still a dominating class that alienates most the population for their own material gain at the expense of others. Capitalists love to use this argument that "you two can become the dominator" or "you can buy stocks", but that misses the point entirely. When 64% of the population is living paycheck to paycheck and your answer is "Well in a few decades someone will be richer than Elon Musk" is a really bad argument considering that does nothing to help the people who are living paycheck to paycheck. The fact that you think Elon Musk should be worth nearly a quarter trillion dollars at the expense of all the innovation that his workers have created is sad.
In a cooperativist economy there would be other social safety nets to provide the ability for some companies to take large risks. The mistake of thinking that these cooperatives are atomistic, one of the key principles of cooperatives is that they cooperate with other cooperatives and create networks of institutions to help each other. But of course this capitalistic culture doesn't understand anything like that because how many business schools teach cooperative economics? Basically none. Saying that it's uneffective is disingenuous considering that there's a giant cultural bias that doesn't give a level playing field. capitalists in the United States have literally created coup d'etats from the banana Wars in the early 1900s to establishing authoritarian dictatorships like in Guatemala in 1954 to take control of the banana plantations, or revolving door politics that allow Dick Cheney to take $60 million exit package then turn around and start multiple illegitimate wars in the Middle East where Halliburton can go in set up oil fields and at times receiving billion dollar no-bid contracts. The illegitimate War after the Iraq invasion in 2003 literally killed a million civilians... 1,000,000 people. Don't act like there aren't gigantic externalities associated with the blood profits that shareholders receive.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@josephcarriveau9691 Um, this is basically Marxist, lol (commodity fetishism and alienation). Even Marx based much of his economics on Smith- next you'll tell me that makes Marx a classical liberal/ libertarian. "Self ownership" doesn't have to be transferable, although Anthropologist David Graeber has talked about how some of the first instances of wage labor for the literal renting of a slave labor for day labor. Under modern capitalism the metaphysics of self ownership is non-transferable, although the labor power itself is transferable as you sell/ rent your time to a boss (so labor power, rather than the laborer, becomes the transferable/ disposed commodity). Unfortunately you probably missed the fact that I was using the language of classical and neoclassical economics to undermine the ethics from the inside out, but hey, welcome aboard.
Admittedly I will say, this piece was partially unironically inspired by a libertarian... well a libertarian socialist/ anarchist, Benjamin Tucker. In his book 'State Socialism and Anarchism' he denounces land rent, interest bearing loans, and profit from wage labor as "the Trinity of Usury". From this we can see that land rent, interest, and wages are all rental agreements for different factors of production, for instance interest is just like the rental price for money or that a wage is rental price for labor. But this surely isn't the type of "libertarian" metaphysics you were thinking of, lmao. Now go put that cap on for rudely calling me a classical liberal 😜
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Important questions.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@BangMaster96 If I own myself, why can't I sell you use of my body for a certain amount of time? If you rent a car for 3mo and return it after just 2, there is nothing that says you have to pay for all 3mo- the contract might state that you pay a fee, but it might not (some loans charge a early payment fee because they lose out on interest they had budgeted for). Similar, you could be fired and be entitled to severance pay, or to buy out a contract or be entitled to nothing- it depends on the contract. If they want to "return the product", then they just fire me, lol.
What is interest on money but the rental price of money for a certain period of time? What is a rental but the interest earned off property of a certain period of time? If I own a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT), it is required to payout 75% of rents as interest. It's the same concept, just applied in different contexts- so saying we already have word of it, is not legitimate. I'm not the first to point this out, honestly, don't be so rude with insinuating delusions of grandeur, it comes from Mutualists likr Benjamin Tucker, Josiah Warren, and Joseph Pierre Proudhon. Acting like I'm just making this up as I go and not that I'm well read is rather disrespectful.
What do you mean I haven't explained to you what system I want?? 😂🤣 Dude, I want people to own the property that work via social ownership (community land trusts, coops, collectives, credit unions, ect)... I told you that multiple times.
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@BangMaster96 Woah, woah, woah... Calm down, bud. What's with the tirade? You said you didn't see employment as a rental before, but now because of my analogy you understand that it is just like rent, a payment for the time preference of property. You seem to be fine with that conclusion, and are basically just telling me to accept it and get over it. Okay, I own myself and if I want to rent my time out by the hour in a free market, I can.
You don't have to be so condescending. I understand capitalism very well, thank you. I was self employed for 8 years. I have a portfolio of stocks and I've studied investing heavily since my teens. I set up my Roth IRA when I turned 20. I can play the game of capitalism, don't talk down to me like I'm ignorant- I have money on the table.
Oh, and last, but not least;
You keep saying the "real world' like it's just a fact.... Doesn't the real world have wars and imperialism and dictatorships. I'm not saying any of those things are good, but I think you need to reassess what happens in the real world. You see, I know you're trying to use "real world" as a rhetorical device to delegitimize your opponents opinion as fantasy, literally called it "Utopia'. Unfortunately, I understand the "real world" that you're alluding to is not actually the real world.... As evidenced by any history book you want to pick up. So please don't try to feliciously shame me into thinking that the world only works your way. I'm not falling for it. Genghis Khan was a part of the real world, I don't think he was really up for respecting private property rights :/
I just spent one paragraph on the actual content of the discussion and two paragraphs (now 3) pointing out how you're talking down to me and insinuating that I live in a fantasyland. That's not very respectful. It's disappointing that I actually had to spend more effort addressing your debate tactics than actually debating the topic- hopefully we can change that in our next comment exchange.
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@BangMaster96 Personally, I've been interested in a grassroots movement called the Next System Project. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping people live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
I believe in a concept called subsidiarity, where problems are handled at the lowest level possible. I don't want government to run the economy, I just want government funded health insurance, That's insurance, not doctors. Most goods and services should be provided by non-government, socially-owned organizations, like co-ops and the long list of various organizations. There is a role for other government actions in society, but it's sure as not totalitarian or charged with centrally planning the economy.
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@BangMaster96 voluntary exchange? The employer-employee relationship is actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class. In capitalism people rent themselves so they don't die, unfortunately they don't have the privilege of having enough capital goods to not have to rent themselves out to a wealthy authority.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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You probably think that because you don't understand what socialism is. Socialism is primarily democratic.... How do you think trade unions function?
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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Oh, dear ... You're falling for that old authoritarian propaganda? How is it national socialism after Hitler murders all the socialists in his party 🤦🏼 It's literally on par with calling the Democratic People's Republic Of Korea a "democracy". Besides, if you're going to quote Mussolini, you should know that he was in favor of 'corporatism'. Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini
Corporatism is a type of economic model that's been utilized by various types of ideologies, but in the broadest sense of the term it means collaboration of the various classes of society (workers, bosses, govt, church, etc) to work together. It's not socialism, because it's not the dissolution of class but integrating class groups to work together, much like the bundle of sticks that the fasce represents. But due to a top-down structure of society, it wasn't so much based around 'collaboration' as state-capitalist subjugation where the fascist governments set up oligopolies and monopolies to better control supply chains and labor markets.
Who did Hitler come for first... Yeah, the socialists;
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@metalman666ization Wow, bud, I'm talking about externalities because you guys don't seem to understand the importance of externalities to mispricing of supply and demand. Secondly, I know democratic socialism is different from the Nordic model of social democracy... I'm more anti-capitalist than the Nordic model, but thanks for your strawman (ironic when you accuse me of strawmanning and you end up doing such). The Next System Project is a think tank that I like that is devoted to building communities back up by creating community driven institutions, like coops/ credit unions, land trusts, and labor unions. They have helped multiple communities recover from capital flight that left communities to scrape by- but I don't know, maybe you like when your job gets relocated overseas and It becomes hard to put food on the table.
Third, I don't have to believe in the labor theory of value in order to believe the working class should have autonomy over their own labor- capitalism is based on commodifying humans and decreasing their freedom through exorbitant inequality. Instead of using government redistribution like in the Nordic model I think that there should be a fundamentally more fair distribution within property rights so the government doesn't have to redistribute as heavily to correct such glaring inequalities.
Thanks for trying, sorry you fell into a hypocritical fallacy.... Maybe next time you'll be able to be a little bit more intellectually curious instead of assuming you know my beliefs... Maybe you shouldn't be guessing behavior either, lol 😉✌️
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@SeraphsWitness You say Pareto efficiency isn't relevant to externalities.... Let's check the textbook;
"Chapter 14
Externalities
An externality is the accompanying impact (whether positive or negative) of one agent’s consumption or production activity on the utility or technology of another, where this impact is
independent of markets or prices.
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Because externalities are external to the workings of markets, the prices at which trades occur
do not reflect their additional costs (in the case of negative externalities) or benefits (in the case
of positive externalities). Consequently, the First Welfare Theorem typically fails, i.e., *in the presence of externalities, the Walras allocation is generally no longer Pareto efficient.* We begin by
illustrating this inefficiency and then consider three “solutions” that have been suggested to
mitigate these problems and that have influenced government policy towards externalities." - Intermediate Microeconomics a tool building approach, by Economist Samiran Banerjee
For clarification, the Warlas law is a concept of market equilibrium, which like I keep saying becomes unhinged in the presence of externalities. You can call me moronic all you want, but you can't cite a single source that proves me wrong. You're just talking out of your ass, I actually can provide textbook and real world examples of these concepts. Keep up with all those fallacies, it's a pretty cute look on you. Feel free to come back and comment when you can provide cited sources for your opinion or a source that critiques the chapter of the textbook that I quoted- until then I'll consider you very confused.
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@metalman666ization This is the irony, you say you understand economics, but you act as if negative externalities don't exist in the real world and mispricing's only come from government; This neglect of real economic events just reeks of dogmatic ideology. There is no such thing as a perfect market equilibrium, prices are always changing to meet available information BUT like I said AVAILABLE info. For instance, if you have an externality that by definition has value that is not being accessed by market mechanisms. You neglect these large concepts and yet you say you understand economics- that piques my curiosity.
Do you incorporate behavioral economics into your perspective? If not, then you don't understand real world economic interactions. Between logical fallacies and behavioral game theory that stems from philosophical concepts of fairness, humans studied in the real world present different characteristics than neoliberal concepts of the "rational actor". Quite honestly I don't even think you know what I mean by a democratic socialist... You probably think of Lenin or something strawmanned like that.
So we don't get sidetracked please reply to each of these main topics;
1) please address my two non-govt examples of mispricing; negative/ positive externalities and an ignorance to correlated risk
2) What role, if any, do empirical studies of behavioral economics factor into your concept of "correct economics", and
3) I don't think you know what democratic socialism means to demsoc's, but I sure would be curious to hear what your capitalist brain thinks it means.
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@jimwerther So instead of admitting you made a mistake you double down and call them the same thing, lol. Democracy and capitalism aren't completely linked... That ideology is called liberalism and it expanded in the late 1700's. There are illiberal examples of capitalism, and examples of democracy without private property. Do you think kibbutz' were capitalistic in their use of democratic voting? (To be clear, whether they succeeded or not is not the issue, rather was their democracy "capitalistic"?)
You're the one who started calling me lazy but then are offended by me calling you the same name? That's a little hypocritical, Jim. Sorry I misspelled a few things; it's called dyslexia. I'm glad you as a teacher, understand learning difficulties... You sure sound like a great teacher /S I don't think Morgan Housel is a deity, but it's obvious you think Sowell is- The irony is too funny. You can't even respond to my behavioral economics points??? *Just like all the rest, you'll ignore addressing behavioral economics* just like the petulant child you are. It's obviously a waste of time to talk to you because you won't address the main issue here; behavioral economics. You are ridiculous, and to have the audacity to call me the embarrassment. Sounds pretty lazy (lazy is your word, not mine, so don't cry about it, Jim).
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@jimwerther Ummm, that Churchill quote was about Democracy... "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…" - Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
lmao, my laziness?? I've spent hours copy and pasting quotes, but you guys can't even be bothered to look up behavioral economics. Humans aren't always rational actors, they're emotional beings full of biases- I'm actually being pretty patient with you guys because I know humans are irrational so I understand why you're being irrational. Let's look at some more points;
"Behavioral finance has revealed that real people do not behave like the rational actors predicted by mainstream theories and the efficient markets hypothesis."...
"Real traders and investors tend to suffer from overconfidence, regret, attention deficits, and trend-chasing—each of which can lead to suboptimal decisions and eat away at returns."
4 Behavioral Biases and How to Avoid Them
By TIM PARKER Updated July 25, 2021
Fact checked by PETE RATHBURN
Let me guess you think going through the effort of correcting your Churchill quote and finding another web page on behavioral economics is "lazy"... Maybe next time you should double check your quote, Mr. LazyJim. Lmao, you guys are hilarious. Just read some behavioral finance, It's an interesting subject that can help you earn money off of people's irrationalities- The article and I have said Buffett made his money this way, as illustrated by Buffets quote "be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy". But please continue to believe that humans are completely rational and don't suffer from emotions, like fear and greed, that caused them to make suboptimal decisions for themselves ;) Do some more reading, Mr. LazyJim.
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@grondhero The stock market is the worst example you could have given. People buy more when there's euphoria at a high price and end up selling when there's panic and fear at a low price. Is buy high, sell low a rational investment thesis, Kirb??? Euphoria and fear are emotions, and they often dominate the market. Behavioral economics and behavioral finance aren't "just another perspective", they have lots of Nobel winning empirical studies and profitable business models that show humans often don't act in their own self-interest. Behavioral economics is relatively new, I think it shows that classical liberals are stuck in the past, learn something new ffs.
Warren Buffett has made a lot of his money by "being greedy when others are fearful and fearful in others are greedy".... That's sage investment advice that entirely centers around emotions and irrationality. Bahahahahaha, but yeah, you're smarter with econ than the guy who earned $110 billion by utilizing stock market irrationality; the very thing you say is false! Oh, boy, your humorous propaganda about rational choice theory is richer than Buffet himself.
Keep on being a classical liberal NPC
E: Warren Buffett's actually now worth $125 billion after buying (being greedy) more companies in this fear ridden market... Are you really going to go toe-to-toe in investment decisions against Warren Buffett??
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@grondhero Rational choice theory has been debunked and companies use it apart of their business models. If you still think RCT is a law of econ, you don't know econ, Kirby.
"Because humans are emotional and easily distracted beings, they make decisions that are not in their self-interest. For example, according to the rational choice theory, if Charles wants to lose weight and is equipped with information about the number of calories available in each edible product, he will opt only for the food products with minimal calories. Behavioral economics states that even if Charles wants to lose weight and sets his mind on eating healthy food going forward, his end behavior will be subject to cognitive bias, emotions, and social influences. If a commercial on TV advertises a brand of ice cream at an attractive price and quotes that all human beings need 2,000 calories a day to function effectively after all, the mouth-watering ice cream image, price, and seemingly valid statistics may lead Charles to fall into the sweet temptation and fall off of the weight loss bandwagon, showing his lack of self-control.
Applications
One application of behavioral economics is heuristics, which is the use of rules of thumb or mental shortcuts to make a quick decision. However, when the decision made leads to error, heuristics can lead to cognitive bias. Behavioral game theory, an emergent class of game theory, can also be applied to behavioral economics as game theory runs experiments and analyzes people’s decisions to make irrational choices. Another field in which behavioral economics can be applied to is behavioral finance, which seeks to explain why investors make rash decisions when trading in the capital markets.
Companies are increasingly incorporating behavioral economics to increase sales of their products. In 2007, the price of the 8GB iPhone was introduced for $600 and quickly reduced to $400. What if the intrinsic value of the phone was $400 anyway? If Apple introduced the phone for $400, the initial reaction to the price in the smartphone market might have been negative as the phone might be thought to be too pricey. But by introducing the phone at a higher price and bringing it down to $400, consumers believed they were getting a pretty good deal and sales surged for Apple. Also, consider a soap manufacturer who produces the same soap but markets them in two different packages to appeal to multiple target groups. One package advertises the soap for all soap users, the other for consumers with sensitive skin. The latter target would not have purchased the product if the package did not specify that the soap was for sensitive skin. They opt for the soap with the sensitive skin label even though it’s the exact same product in the general package." - Investopedia, behavioral economics
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@waynehand4600 Except it's already started happening across the different cities. Community wealth building is a grassroots way of building a democratic economy... And it has actually helped improved people's lives- Preston, Lancashire was awarded the most improved city in the UK. These are examples from the democracy collaborative;
"For example, in Cleveland, Ohio, the Cleveland Foundation – in collaboration with local institutions and community groups – partnered with TDC to develop progressive procurement strategies, to create the Evergreen Cooperatives, a network of green industrial enterprises that supply goods and services to large local anchor institutions like the Cleveland Clinic and Case Western University. Evergreen is owned by its employees, the vast majority of whom are Black, many returning citizens, and live in nearby historically underserved and under-resourced neighborhoods.
In Preston, England a Community Wealth Building strategy was deployed after a revitalization plan with an international development firm failed in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. The city started with a progressive procurement strategy and expanded to integrate strategies within in all pillars with in the wedge to redirect wealth and reshape the economy. Preston has seen £70 million of anchor institution spend returned to the community and 4,500 jobs created. Once listed as one of the most deprived urban areas in England, Preston rated as PricewaterhouseCooper (PwC)’s most improved city in 2018 and 2019 and the “Best Place To Live” in the north of England. Other municipalities across the United Kingdom have taken note, working to replicate Preston’s strategy and tactics.
In Scotland, UK, we are seeing a whole nation approach to CWB, where a Scottish variant of the wedge is embedded in the national economic plan, all 32 local municipalities within the country are developing bespoke CWB action plans, and there is now a Minister for Community Wealth within the Scottish government. National legislation is now being developed to strengthen the legal basis for CWB as a key element of economic system transformation.
And the movement is growing! In Chicago, Illinois, in the wake of COVID-19, the City’s Office of Equity and Racial Justice (OERJ) identified CWB as a key means for delivering inclusive development. TDC has advised the OERJ team with key recommendations to embed Community Wealth Building throughout city agencies; partner more closely with key “anchor institutions,” including local universities and hospitals, on jobs programs; and create community investment vehicles to bring access to credit and finance to under-served communities, among other goals. TDC is also working with other local governments to develop key recommendations for CWB action, including Somerville, MA; Meadville, PA; and Alameda County, CA."
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@phoenixblanco3892 Why do you assume my only policy actions are taxes and build a larger welfare state? I'm tired of those ideas... We need a system that doesn't redistribute but rather distributes in a more fair way.
Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
Please, don't presume upon my ideas
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@desistarktm7270 🤦🏼 So now your whataboutism-ing off Einstein? Lmao, what a joke. Oh, and talk about IRONY, I already posted Martin Luther King Jr was a democratic socialist- we get it, YOU'RE A LIAR.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
–Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
May you find love in your heart, sooner rather than later ✌️
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@akshaysingh4712 Oh, dear ... You're falling for that old authoritarian propaganda? How is it national socialism after Hitler murders all the socialists in his party 🤦🏼 It's literally on par with calling the Democratic People's Republic Of Korea a "democracy". Besides, if you're going to quote Mussolini, you should know that he was in favor of 'corporatism', with famous quotes like; "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini
Corporatism is a type of economic model that's been utilized by various types of ideologies, but in the broadest sense of the term it means collaboration of the various classes of society (works, bosses, govt, church, etc) to work together. It's not socialism, because it's not the dissolution of class but integrating class groups to work together, much like the bundle of sticks that the fasce represents. But due to a top-down structure of society, it wasn't so much based around 'collaboration' as state-capitalist subjugation where the fascist governments set up oligopolies and monopolies to better control supply chains and labor markets. Fascism is a type of corporatist capitalism.
Who did Hitler come for first... Yeah, the socialists;
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller
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@HawkGirl0561 So you support the IDF....
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023 @colinfarrelly2513
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The Zionists that expelled the Arabs in facor of Jewish Supremacy.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
Huh, I wonder why Palestinians are mad 🤔🫠
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I mean, take care of themselves better if there wasn't an internationally illegal blockade and they didn't come in and t3rrorize the population.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@jackietate5222 Citations;
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
“According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people – and only it." - Benjamin Netanyahu
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@jackietate5222 You're joking, right? You do realize that 60% of the West Bank is under öccüpåtion? As in they have over 600 internationally illegal checkpoints that discriminate against Arabs, 144 gated/ segregated settlements built on the bulldozed land that used to have Palestinian homes, restrictions to Holy sites and even raid them to harass civilians. There are different color license plates for Arabs and Isrāelis because some road Arabs are not allowed to drive on. They don't have legal rights because they're under öccüpåtion, so over 1,000 Palestinian men, women, and even kids are arrested without due process for days to decades.
That's just the öccupïed West Bank, supposedly in 2005 Izrael was supposed to leave Gaza- because again, their settlements are internationally illegal settler colonialism- but they inflicted a 16 year besiegement, also internationally illegal, on the area. The IDF would regularly raid Gaza and kïllëd 1,025 kids before the 7th. These blockades were a large contributing factor to the 50% unemployment rate pre-October. Even Arabs living in Isrãel have lost real estate rights (because this is a land conflict motivated by Zionist Manifest Destiny). All of this is just the tip of the iceberg for Palestinians, there is theft of aquifers leading to unsafe water and pregnant women that miscarry at checkpoints because they get stopped try to go to the hospital.
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@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. Socialists? Have you read the Doctrine of Fascism? It's not very long and it's actually pretty interesting. Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile (co-ghost writer) describe fascism as opposed to Marxism, liberalism, and anarchism. It is staunchly against leninism- socialism is usually internationalist, where as fascism focuses on nationalism. I will say that there are a few socialist types of fascism that utilize trade unions (syndicalism) in the corporatism of negotiation between labor, big business, and the state. Strasserism and Sorelism are two revisionist interpretations of fascism that are influenced by socialism. That said, fascists that rose to power usually were not friendly to socialists and communists.
I assume this idea comes from the fact that Hitler named his party the National "Socialist", but this is nothing more than propaganda like the Democratic people's Republic of Korea not actually being a democracy. If you look at Hitler's rise to power he did utilize trade unionist rhetoric in the beginning, but then eventually had his brown shirt thugs beat them into submission and out of order. In 1934 there was a purge called The Night of the Long Knives, in which socialist fascists, like Otto Strasser (who was earlier exiled in 1930), and other people less loyal to his cause where purged.
I will admit fascism can be a fuzzy ideology because it really is just totalitarianism with various types of rhetoric. As such it often can be likened to Stalinism (Orwell called it "red fascism"), sometimes the only difference is the rhetoric and which people they choose to persecute.
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@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. Not fascist? 🤔 Isn't it a hyper nationalist autocratic government with a strongman dictator who riles up a popular base, and then takes totalitarian control enforcing traditionalist or regressive social policy (often with the use of violent by thugs) and bringing the economy under the control of the state? With the nuance that it can take many different forms but that is the general gist of the concept as outlined by Mussolini and others. Let's see;
He takes on a strongman personality, and demonizes his opponents and rallying his popular base to be nasty to minorities. The hate builds and is released in random acts of violence like the Club Q shooting and many others around the country.
During 2020 he thought he could overrule the governors during the lockdown and all his lawyers rushed to remind him that he doesn't have that power, because we have a thing called federalism and he's not a dictator.
He denies a free and fair election, that has been confirmed by over 60 judges, many of whom he appointed. And he committed election fraud by asking for more votes some areas and then requesting the stoppage of counting in others, whichever way suited him best.
He riled up a violent insurrection attempt and denied National guard assistance while the Capitol was under siege. With recent sedition charges for one of Trump's pledged violent thugs. Along with a host of other charges for hundreds of others that literally called for executing members of Congress and VP.
He recently posted a dinner with Kanye, a known anti-Semitic, who brought his white nationalist friend.
He recently confirmed that he doesn't believe in federalism and thinks he's a dictator by calling for the "termination" of the US Constitution because he is still pumping the propaganda about the election, and also using hollow propaganda involving Hunter Biden's D pics as "proof" of government censorship, even though it was a private campaign that committed a rules violation request.
The man didn't want to show his taxes or his other finances, but now pieces them are being released- apparently had a $19 million loan associated with a South Korean company that has North Korean ties in which he had during his presidency but never disclosed it, which is a conflict of interest along with many of his other business dealings. Blatant disregard for the law as if he is above the law- because again he thinks he's a dictator.
Yeah, I don't know why anybody would call it fascist..... Lmao.
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@spacelemur7955 I'm a socialist, Sweetheart, I'm way more of a leftist than you... If you're acting like I'm a Trump supporter you're positively confused.
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@jeannelee4821 Of the times that I've watched her show I saw narratives spotlit by an ideologically liberal bias- liberalism is too right wing for me. She doesn't strike me as someone who speaks up when corporate Democrats do terrible things...and that's not a "both sides" -ism, that's just acknowledging that truth matters more than ideology.
She participated in a type of news cast that over sensationalizes and misrepresents the truth in order to sell ads.... Her show is an embodiment of capitalist propaganda that seeks to push the 'us and them' of the Red vs Blue, meanwhile corporations are robbing the working class blind. It's precisely the issue of focusing so much on Russia gate and not enough on Wall Street. Personally I like PBS, DW (German World news), 60 minutes, and Frontline because they aren't sensationalist and they will actually look at the underlying problems of capitalism. I could be off base, but it seems like Rachel Maddow is a part of the group that complains about Donald Trump as if he is the root of the problem, instead of understanding that Donald Trump is a symptom of a problem that is created by capitalist elitism (like MSNBC) that disenfranchises some people to the point they become fascists that love Trump, Desantis, MTG, etc.
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@waynereynolds7598 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@raymondg7565 The very first comment in the comment thread explains one example of reform 'the Preston model'. With real world examples like Preston, Lancashire, which received the award for most improved city due to its community wealth building projects. Democratic socialism is mainly dominated by reformists, so yea, reform was kinda implied.
Your first comment is literally the "the entrenched powers that be don't want that"..... Like- okay- I agree, but isn't that obvious? Isn't that literally what Marxism is all about?? So then the next logical thing to ask would be, "so what are we going to do?" If you don't have anything deeper to share that's okay, it's just I was looking for a little bit more than just "the powerful dont like that".... Like ya, mate- we know, that's why we're all here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you have something more intricate you would like to share, please do.
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@willnitschke You're still here? Bitch you didn't even know the difference between corporation and corporatism, I brought up for-profit shareholder corporations and you start talking about corporism, it not the same thing 😆😂🤣 Who are you to act like Mr. Dictionary?
The word liberté is a French word meaning liberty. Originally libertarian referrred to people who believed in free will as opposed to determinism, it took on political meanings describing revolutionists opposing the monarchy, with the first print occurrence happening in the 1790s. In 1857, French poet Joseph Dejacque was the first person to describe himself as libertarian, specifically in regards to his anarcho-communist ideas and lambasting the oppressive beliefs of Pierre Joseph Proudhon for his sexism and anti-Semitism. It wasn't until 1955 that libertarian was first used in the United States to denote classical liberalism, which tried to fight a literary battle against the FDR social liberals who were appropriating the term "liberal" from the Classicals. Between 1857 and 1955, the term 'libertarian' was used exclusively by anti authoritarian socialists and communists.
You should know that words are subjective and take on different meanings depending on their social contexts and social understanding of history. No word is more evident as subjective in meaning as the F word. In addition to a literary lesson, I hope you got a history lesson as well, clown 🤡
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@willnitschke He's a syndicalist, obviously you don't understand the concept. Stop being disingenuous. Cooperatives/ credit unions, collectives trade unions and community land trusts are NOT government entities... Are you purposely being dense or are you natural this thick? Either way, you're a joke 😂🤣 You think all cooperative are government run??? Bahahahaha, okay, bud.
Ideas around the Pluralist Commonwealth have helped real communities, like Preston (UK) and Cleveland, start to rebuild after capital flight. Feel free to look up The Next System Project, which has helped build out these community driven economics in these cities.
P.S. You thought I was talking about corporatism? 🤡 No, bud, I was talking about corporations... They still have shareholder corporations in Nordic countries, LOL 😆🤣 Have you ever heard of Nokia? Based in Finland, you clown. Dude, you're not even trying to think, you're tapped out 😜 But keep it up, What other fallacious strawman arguments can you make up?
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“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- MLK, Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
– MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
During economic downturns cooperatives seek to preserve jobs instead of laying off their members... because they're members are the owners who make the decisions. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@Degenerate-sports-gambler QThe employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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@axelband1770 Lol, If you think you need a work hard to be a millionaire in America, you don't understand capitalism. You have to buy assets... Stock, real estate, bonds, etc. Especially in tax advantaged accounts, like an IRA, Roth IRA, or 401k (You too can benefit from not paying taxes!) Start soon, because capital compounds, leading to gains larger than the principle if given enough time.
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@1986tessie Running with the feudalist symbolism, you seem to defend royal kings, queens, lords and ladies that violently subjugated the poor as their bonded property (serfdom)- you don't think it was good to rise up against feudalism?? You probably think fighting against slavery was bad too... The Civil War was America's bloodiest war, and yes, I'm happy Gen. Grant violently broke the slave owning South. If you don't think fighting against slave masters is justified, you're disgusting.
Shifting back to a modern frame, I mean, you're against resisting an establishment that has perpetuated actual war for profit. We can go through history from the Banana wars- murdering people for fucking bananas- to our longest wars in the Middle East for oil, with the US Govt supporting a terrorist state (Saudi). Don't act like politicians don't use violence every single day that murders innocent people, and don't act like fighting against evil people is "wrong". Maybe I've just read too much political philosophy that I've been desensitized to the notion that violence is basically inherent in politics. You accept the notion that violence doesn't solve anything, yet seem to be okay with a country that uses violence to "solve" so much.
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@Khalkara Dude, you've provided no sources, just baseless rhetoric. The anthropologist David Graeber has shown how credit markets historically are different from capital markets (in his book Debt: the First 5,000 Years). Graeber was a socialist too, so maybe you're calling him "not a real socialist" because he understood the difference between capitalistic markets and non-capitalist markets. So, historically speaking, you're just incorrect, but we both know you have an inability to accept when you're wrong. See what cheeky thing I did there? The arrogance. Jeez, get a grip; cite a source or argue against my source.
Market socialism abolishes private property and capital's control over production. Ownership is socialized because democracy becomes a legal right, that's VERY different from private property that alienates workers, tenants, and debtors. Personal property doesn't come with the right to alienate people by capital, which is why every member is entitled to a vote. Labor suffrage is very socialist. Robert Owen was creating socialist communities while Marx was a child, get over it.
Being able to form cooperative associations is just like how you get to decide with your friends what you do in their company (yes, I do mean the double entender of social companionship and an economic enterprise); you don't ask me to vote on what your group does when I'm not in your personal circle. Regulations, trade unions, and community involvement are important, but so is a degree of personal autonomy.
Personally, I think hybrid co-ops are important because they allow workers, consumers, and aspects of the community to have a voice in the institutions they utilize. I get that some socialists want everyone to have a vote, but I think people closer to the affects of the institution should have more say. Saying labor should control production is not anti-socialist... Do you realize what a trade union is, right? Workers in one industry voting on economic positions and excluding/ alienating anyone not in the industry. Are you gonna tell me the long, long, long history of trade unionism was not historically socialist? You're sectarian as hell if you think labor control of the workplace isn't a key aspect of the socialist vein; have you heard of the labor theory of value? It's not even funny, it's just annoying how you won't cite any sources or thinkers after being asked multiple times. Your rhetoric isn't convincing, especially when you downplay the labor movement aspect of socialism.
Here's a question for you; please, politely, explain how you plan to make any form of market unnecessary? How do non-basic/ "luxury goods" get distributed, like who gets handcrafted furniture versus mass produced furniture? People need furniture but there is a difference between basic goods that meet basic needs and high quality goods that exceed any reasonable sense of "need". As such, platitudes like "according to need" makes no sense. How is economic information aggregated? Like I said, I'm not dogmatically for markets, so if you show me something good I might change my tune. Rather than just saying "you're wrong", show me a better way, please.
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@John-gi6yh "That's not how life works"... Um, co-ops exist. You're actually like a pro-feudalist as capitalism started to take over; systems change and people adapt.
"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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@justsomeguy6336 First, I'll respectfully let you know off the top that I did explain that debt is a social fiction that is negotiable, please look into the tradition of the jubilee to see how debts were regularly expunged. But seriously, I encourage you to read 'Debt' not just because of a silly yt argument, but because I found it very informative on understanding what debt and money is. He debunks the notion of barter and lays bear the fact that all money is a debt either to the state or each other. HERE'S THE COOL PART; the PDF is FREE and the audiobook is FREE here on yt! I tried linking to it a couple times but I don't know if yt shadow deleted those, but just search it. It's not for a yt debate with some other guy, it's because it is a critically acclaimed book about something you seem to be interested in- it's a genuine recommendation for you, not for me. That's the core point, it will be useful to you.
Never was the point that debt is not important, it's just that it's a negotiable social fiction and not bound by some universal demand to mathematically reconcile all debts. Interest payments are largely a function of credit risk, risk necessarily entails the acceptance of the uncertainty that money might not be repaid. When talking about US Treasury bonds compared to corporate bonds there is an agreement that treasuries hold less credit risk than corporations due to the fact that the US government has the ability to tax and create demand for its own money, in coordination with the FED, based on its legal powers of institutional violence.
Dip your toe in the water, the first chapter David graeber recalls a conversation with a lawyer for a NGO in which she literally says "But don't debts have to be repaid?!". This is used as a jumping-off as he examines the history of the usage of debt and how it has illegitimately subjugated many cultures. It makes sense that not all debts have to be repaid when you learn about the debt of Haiti to France for trying to free itself from literal slavery, only to find themselves indebted to their former masters. In the conclusion, he reiterates how debts don't have to be repaid because it's all made up. It's useful to make credit, but it's not useful to bind society to usury. Credit is a social extrapolation of promises that must be used wisely to up lift, not to suppress and exploit.
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"In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@TheFifthWorld22 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Um it didn't start on the 7th...
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@uioplkhj lmao, apologetics to the max can you find any more excuses out of your magic hat. Next you're going to tell me the Hannibal Directive wasn't a real thing.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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It's the Union 💪 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@davidsenderodelsanto Okay, that's an idea, but how does that make any sense? It strikes me as unhuman, or unnatural, to come to such a stable resting position, and frankly, it's not very Hegelian. I appreciate the theory of dialectical materialism, but I don't like the Marxist supposed divination of the future. For Hegel, there is no predictive power in the dialectic; Becoming is always the yet to be determined facts in the now of being and nothingness. As long as there is Being, there will always be a dialectical push towards Becoming. The culmination of the present into the future is contextual and I see no reason why future humans wouldn't arrange themselves differently post-communism if material conditions changed.
In this, I very much prefer Zizek's revival of Hegel and Lacan to extract ideas that were blind to Marx and Engels, and even Hegel and Lacan themselves. 'Communism' itself is an ideal, and thus "pure communism" (or capitalism, or any -ism for that matter) will never be fully realized, as it will always be mediated through material reconciliations with the idealistic vision. I don't see how classlessness is idealistically reconcilable with the human psyche that is often projecting an 'I' of importance. Seems like something that will fall into a new dialectic as soon as the Commons are realized.
Personally, I don't think it was very Becoming of Marx to do Hegel like that.
.... Ok, sorry, bad dad joke.
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@christopherweise438 "I would prefer not to." - Bartleby from 'Bartleby, The Scrivener' by Herman Melville (It's short story in the public domain available on here in audio, just saying, it's a book).
Look man, as a progressive, I had one condition to vote for the corporate oligarchy that is the Democratic Party. KH (that little girl that was bussed to integrate the schools, that little girl with civil rights parents) clearly said that she'll continue to support a country that is explicit racial segregation. They steal land, they target med workers and journalists, and they commit Jen O'Side. I'm willing to put up with a lot of hypocrisy from politicians, but this is a step too far. What you guys don't seem to realize is that I'm not the problem, the fact that the democratic voting base doesn't make more of an issue out of this is actually the problem here.
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It's not new...😢
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@craiggles8454 The inequality aspect is on multiple fronts; first and foremost it's about power. Power to have a say in the institutions that run your life- This concept is called self-determination and it's the reason why we have political democracy. I believe economic democracy is merely an extension of such political rights to autonomy. The ability to determine working hours, conditions, benefits, and pay allow the workers of an organization to have more control over their lives than renting their days out to the authority of a capital owner. Employment is renting a human being by the hour or year, just like you might rent a tool from Home Depot or lease a car from the dealership.... Except, it's a human being.
From a democratic way of handling power stems different ways of spreading resources. I don't think inequality can ever be completely overcome, but I believe in narrowing the range in which inequality occurs, Because you're right Pareto distributions show up everywhere. Instead of having companies that have pay ratios of 100-1000X between the highest and lowest earners, cooperatives usually have bylaws that restrict the highest salary to be 10 to 30 times that of the lowest.
I will admit that capitalism will inevitably grow faster than socialism, capitalism by its very nature incentivizes maximizing profit and reinvesting/ compounding said profit to make more profits. Capitalism compounds wealth fast- unfortunately it does so by exploiting people by renting them, corrupts governments by buying them, and destroys the environment by polluting it. It's not just a few bad apples; exploitation, corruption, and pollution are inherent in the ways that markets push companies to maximize profits or else risk going out of business by being less competitive. Capitalism's wealth comes at a cost; those costs being, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. (Ironic for Americans) In socialism you can still compound wealth but compounding wealth is seen as less of a priority than compounding improvements in other aspects of life.
I definitely agree that health insurance definitely should be nationalized. I'm also very much in favor of govt funded PreK-12, 2 year associates degree or trade school, and low/ no interest loans from a public bank for masters and PhDs. We need to make it easier to have a more educated society, especially with democracy.
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@Choosewisely-hb9nj Trump loves this land so much that he stole national security documents and commits fraud on the regular? 🤔 The top three things Trump loves the most, in order, are 1) Donald J Trump then its 2) Donald J Trump, and rounding out the top 3 is... Donald J Trump. Lol. The dude is so narcissistic He thought being the president made him dictator; Do you remember during lockdowns when Trump had to be reminded by his lawyers that he's NOT in complete control of the United States, he thought he could control governors like he's a dictator... Stand against federalism and the separation of powers is pretty anti-American. What a joke 🤡🤡🤡
Anyway, why I go with democratic socialism? Because its a system that believes in treating people like human beings (instead of as commodities) and securing freedom and equality for all. This is why people like George Orwell, Albert Einstein, and Martin Luther King Jr were all democratic socialists. Most all economic Buddhism is socialist, as well. This means addressing the various types of authoritarianism, like governmental, economic, racial, sexist, militarism, and ecological disaster. I'll end on a few quotes from Martin Luther King Jr;
“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
– Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.
“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
- Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
–Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.
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@superdog797 It's really not propaganda, the term "human capital" is a neoliberal phrase use by capitalist economists... This isn't socialist theory, this is Reagan/ Thatcher type neoliberal economists. If you look at the neoliberal economics of it, literally just understanding time preference, which is what rent, interest, and yes, also wages are. I can make all the similarities of human capital to normal capital; healthcare is maintenance, housing is storage, food is fuel, education is an investment in more productive parts. So a big problem is, since wages are suppressed by globalism, and real wages in the US are the same as 50 years ago, but the inflation rate of healthcare education and housing have all far exceeded averaged CPI inflation numbers.
We have costs that are rising exponentially, but real wages that haven't gone up in 50 years... If you have a rental house that's more expensive to maintain then you receive in rental payments, you won't be able to afford to keep that property for long. When it is human capital, that would be someone going bankrupt due to medical bills or just very ill because they can't afford the medication or procedure. Personally, I'm functionally disabled due to my PTSD, I used to be able to hold down a job but now I can't... So that's medical bills with no income other than occasionally selling stocks and bonds. Normally we just throw out an old piece of equipment, but we can't do that with human beings. 60% of Americans struggle with making ends meet.
As a socialist, cooperatives are not the end-all be all of socialist ideas... Its one piece. In the 1600s you had private businesses on land enclosures but the system was still mainly feudalism. Let's also remember there were a lot of violent beheadings in the French revolution that capitalists conducted to end feudalism... Do you want me accuse you that capitalists decapitate people on the regular? Don't act like radical systemic change doesn't often incur violence. Just because there were some capitalistic enterprises doesn't mean capitalists would be happy with feudal lords still ruling most of the land and resources- so a few co-ops on a capitalistic globe is no consolation. Serfdom is not legally recognized in a capitalist system, is that somehow so horrible because we don't give somebody the freedom to institute serfdom? No, because we moved to a system that believes in more freedom for individuals.... when you are allowed to own and control what you produce it. Going back to the old system that restricts you to taking the directives of a wealthy capital owner is like saying you want to go back to aristocracy instead of having a democratic vote, because a co-op literally gives you a democratic vote in your economy. Granted I think there is a place for small scale rentals and wage employment because some people don't want to own a house and don't want to be tasked with figuring out what the organization should do. But for the people who do to have a say in how they're government and economy is run, then they can have a vote- if they don't want to vote they don't have to.
To address your point on just letting them compete in the market; capitalists want to maximize profits, unfortunately easy ways to do that include (legally) not being socially and ecologically responsible. When there are companies that are keeping money that they can reinvest to make more profit off of being irresponsible and you have another firm spending money trying to be responsible they creates a huge difference in the amount of capital they can reinvest. The other thing is, cooperatives don't want to grow endlessly. They work for their members, when extra growth doesn't make their lives better why should they do it? More profit doesn't mean they'll be happier. And that's the main difference, you're evaluating two systems by two totally different sets of values. Socialism will never compound wealth at the same rates capitalism does, which has a negative effect on material standard of wealth, but on the flip side capitalism will never be socially accountable to the people who work for the economy. At a certain point, it's really just a choice to value people before profit✌️
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@superdog797 The employer-employee relationship is that actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
So to answer your question, yes capitalism is better at creating economic growth because it is based on incentivizing the maximization of profit, and reinvesting that profit to create more profit at all costs.... Even if that means commodifying humans, buying out the government, and spraying negative externalities all over the globe. Renting people as objects and shifting costs onto innocent living beings through industrial pollution are not morally righteous. People who support democratic socialism want a human happiness index to be a more important number than GDP. You can still compound wealth in socialism, you just do it more ethically by treating people as human beings and not commodities be rented by the hour as if they were machines.
You say socialism doesn't work, but personally, I've been interested in a grassroots movement called the Next System Project. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. You can look up the channel the Laura Flanders show, she has a great intro slogan; "where the people who say it can't be done, take a backseat to the people who are actually doing it".
I think my "favorites" folder on my channel is public, you can see a 50-second video on what a democratic economy looks like (also notice the two high level finance lectures in my playlists, from MIT and Yale... I understand economics fairly well).
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@superdog797 That's not just one setup of capitalism, it's all capitalism. Private land enclosure started to really pop up during the first half of the 1500s in England, as the Protestant Reformation started. King Henry VIII seized Catholic estates and village Commons and violently turned them into private plots to be sold off. You can go back 500 years, 100 years before John Locke, and the government is still the reason why capitalism exists 🤦🏼 You keep saying it's "antithetical to capitalism".... Yeah, real world capitalism is not a platonic form. It's almost like there was a philosopher who talked about how capitalism created antithetical situations in which it contradicted itself and would break down 🤔🤔🤔
You literally just think socialism is government.... Which is the most low watt understanding of the term. Socialism just means workers control of the means of production, so anarchists who organize their economy through trade unions are considered anarcho socialists (anarcho-syndicalists to be specific, like Noam Chomsky). George Orwell was NOT a big fan of big brother and he was a democratic socialist. There are many types of socialists that believe in freedom.
To summarize, basically, you don't understand definitions and you don't understand that platonic forms don't necessarily exist in the real world..... So basically just another discussion with a right wing libertarian :/ Say something that's not NPC dialogue, plz.
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The employer-employee relationship is that actually a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract. Like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at least capitalism needs safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class.
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@ELTEAESS Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Democratic socialism. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4
Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local for key anchor institutions and contract service to cooperatives. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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@davidblackburn3396 "From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@reuben.x.herrera1930 You say they are brutal... But you forget (or possibly just don't know) the brutality of the other side.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
That's JUST the KIDS. 1434 > 1200.
2/3
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@reuben.x.herrera1930 You do realize that H-mas was started in 1987 because Iz stole their land in 1947 and 1967. They literally just want the right to return... Speaking of, look up the PEACEFUL 2018-19 Great March of the Return. They tried peacefully measure. You say they are brutal... But you forget (or possibly just don't know) the brutality of the other side.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
That's JUST the KIDS. 1434 > 1200.
In 1945 they said "Never again"... 2-3yrs later, they were the ones doing it. There are currently 144 internationally illegal settlements in the West Bank and it's carved up between 600 internationally illegal checkpoints that racially discriminate. The easy answer is; don't support āpārthēīd.
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You guys are very confused... Helping bad guys is your idea of "good"... 🥴🤢
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@believewhatyousee2852 I'm a Leftist 🙄
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@kimthomas781 Democratic socialism is important for any deeper systematic change. Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too.
This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. https://youtu.be/MObfh_VNqs4 Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives.
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It's not slavery 🤦🏼 Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.
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Economic democracy is building a system that gives people a vote in their economic lives. Examples of democratic institutions are cooperatives, credit unions (which is really just a cooperative bank), public banks, workers unions, community land trusts.
The Evergreen Cooperative was started in Cleveland, Ohio as a laundry service and now has turned many other businesses into cooperatives. "In the 11 years since then, Evergreen Cooperatives has added three more cooperatives to its ranks, growing from two companies with a total of 18 workers in 2010 to five companies with approximately 320 workers. Those workers are paid 20 to 25 percent higher than employees at the cooperative’s competitors. “Our average pay rate is close to $15,” says John McMicken, CEO of Evergreen Cooperative Initiative. “But when you take profit sharing into account, which could equate to $4 to $5 an hour, we’re hoping that we have a shot at breaking the $20 an hour ‘blended rate,’ if you will.” In 2019, the average compensation at Evergreen Cooperative Laundry was around $18 per hour." - Despite a Rocky Start, Cleveland Model for Worker Co-ops Stands Test of Time, by Brandon Duong
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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You mean more death stemming from the 1947-1948 Nakba that genocidally expelled Palestinians from their land. If you think this started on October 7th you're severely uneducated.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@2434-k3l If you think this started on October 7th you really need to educate yourself.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
“Anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening H@m@s.” - Netanyahu, 2019 at a Likud party conference
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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IDF is a terrorist organization. Simple as that.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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Where were you crying for the children?
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@mimiwoldeab Hey, I mean if the I D F can rain down terror on civilians... Why not the other side?? Or is that too real for you?
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@Kas844 Do you support I D F terror? Just remember that in 2018-19 Gazans peacefully held the Great March of the Return. Over 220 Palestines loss their lives for peaceful marching, the I D F even played games to kneecap the most people.
"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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"From 2008 until 6 October 2023, 1,434 Palestinian children were reportedly killed, with an additional 32,175 sustaining injuries, primarily at the hands of Israeli occupation forces. Of these, 1,025 children were killed in Gaza alone, since the unlawful blockade began in 2007." - UN Human Rights, ‘Unchilded’ from birth: UN expert calls for decisive protection of Palestinian children under Israeli rule, 24 October 2023
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@denvan3143 Lol, I never said I was the greatest investor. Besides, If we take your questions seriously and not just as a troll (lmao), Warren Buffett is an investor, Elon musk is an entrepreneur, there is a difference not only in job tasks but sweat equity stake can be larger and exponential growth is larger from an earlier starting point. Elon musk and Buffett have received government subsidies much larger than all the tax refunds I've ever seen.
Kind of ironic that you're talking down to me since we're probably in the same boat of the 90% who don't own a lot of stock- More than 80% of the stock market is owned by the top 10% of the wealthy. With that type of inequality it's just a statistical probability that I'm not going to be born into the privileges that bolster the richest 10%. These are billionaires that buy out your politicians behind closed doors, reducing democracy and fostering an oligarchy of corporate interests.
If you're defending somebody just based on how much wealth they have, that's a pretty hollow argument, a lot of wealth has been attained in very unethical ways. Elon's done great things by making electric cars sexy, ironic that GM killed the EV-1 and now wants to be the number one seller of EVs, smh. But we all know Elon brought it back (with some government loans). But I also know that capitalism concentrates wealth and distorts political systems.... So a show of incomprehensible wealth is not necessarily a flex to me, but more a sign of a systemic social problem.
If you hate democracy then I guess cheer on the billionaire in a country of Citizens United PACs and Dark Pools, That will sure make YOUR VOICE heard. Stand up for yourself, not billionaires.
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