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Disagree. I can remember listening to a muslim lady on UK tv in the 1990s saying that the biggest threat to world peace looking forward was the rise of islamic fundamentalism. I had no idea then what she was on about. Then the terror attacks began with one on the USS cove and then 9/11. Various sunni terror groups like al queda based in sunni led iraq and sunni afghanistan had to be dealt with as they had ultimately declared a terror war on western civilisastion. Even western countries that opposed the iraq invasion got targetted later as well. They eventually joined the 20 year "war on terror" too.The west would have had to intervene in iraq at some point. After 9/11, unsurprisingly. the US took leadership of that war. Which has been won, by the way, as no major terror attacks on the west since leaving afghanistan, fingers crossed. The mistakes we made in both countries was trying to impose democracy there. So instead of being liberators, as we were seen at first, we became occupiers instead and the insurgancy began in iraq with al queda morphing into IS there. In afghanistan the taliban/terrorists sided against the coalition/democracy tho a settlement was eventually agreed with the taliban and we pulled out. Now they fight the terrorists instead, tho project "impose democracy" failed disastrously. In iraq there is now a form of democracy which over time might improve. Tho it is sharia majority led now so is bound to lean towards sharia iran. Saddam was also a dictatorial tyrant who murdered thousands of his own people. He also had and used chemical weapons on his own people/kurds and in his war with iran. He also invaded another nation/kuwait. Justifiable reasons to regime change on its own.
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@jurgnobs1308 "it's a fact that ISIS was literally founded by members of the ba'ath party and iraqi military after they lost the war". No it was because rumsfeldt, who had been given overall control of the situation by bush, decided to disband the iraq army and police and impose democracy. The original state department plan was to regime change. Some officer level members of saddams disbanded military and al queda then formed IS. Added here as my replies are being removed.... From googling...."Most historians of the Islamic State agree that the group emerged out of al-Qaeda in Iraq as a response to the U.S. invasion in 2003. They also agree that it was shaped primarily by a Jordanian jihadist and the eventual head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The Jordanian had a dark vision: He wished to fuel a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites and establish a caliphate. Although he was killed in 2006, his vision was realized in 2014—the year isis overran northern Iraq and eastern Syria." More..."Baathists began collaborating with al Qaeda in Iraq – the early incarnation of what would become Islamic State – soon after Saddam Hussein was ousted in 2003." Baathists being saddams military disbanded by rumsfeldt.
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@jurgnobs1308 From googling. "Most historians of the Islamic State agree that the group emerged out of al-Qaeda in Iraq as a response to the U.S. invasion in 2003. They also agree that it was shaped primarily by a Jordanian jihadist and the eventual head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The Jordanian had a dark vision: He wished to fuel a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites and establish a caliphate. Although he was killed in 2006, his vision was realized in 2014—the year isis overran northern Iraq and eastern Syria." More..... "Baathists began collaborating with al Qaeda in Iraq – the early incarnation of what would become Islamic State – soon after Saddam Hussein was ousted in 2003". Baathists being saddams military which rumsfeldt disbanded..
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@jurgnobs1308 From googling...."Most historians of the Islamic State agree that the group emerged out of al-Qaeda in Iraq as a response to the U.S. invasion in 2003. They also agree that it was shaped primarily by a Jordanian jihadist and the eventual head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The Jordanian had a dark vision: He wished to fuel a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites and establish a caliphate. Although he was killed in 2006, his vision was realized in 2014—the year isis overran northern Iraq and eastern Syria." More..."Baathists began collaborating with al Qaeda in Iraq – the early incarnation of what would become Islamic State – soon after Saddam Hussein was ousted in 2003." ..."Baathists" being saddams military disbanded by rumsfeldt.
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@jurgnobs1308 From googling...."Most historians of the Islamic State agree that the group emerged out of al-Qaeda in Iraq as a response to the U.S. invasion in 2003. They also agree that it was shaped primarily by a Jordanian jihadist and the eventual head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The Jordanian had a dark vision: He wished to fuel a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites and establish a caliphate. Although he was killed in 2006, his vision was realized in 2014—the year isis overran northern Iraq and eastern Syria." More..."Baathists began collaborating with al Qaeda in Iraq – the early incarnation of what would become Islamic State – soon after Saddam Hussein was ousted in 2003." Baathists being saddams military disbanded by rumsfeldt.
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From googling...."Most historians of the Islamic State agree that the group emerged out of al-Qaeda in Iraq as a response to the U.S. invasion in 2003. They also agree that it was shaped primarily by a Jordanian jihadist and the eventual head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The Jordanian had a dark vision: He wished to fuel a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites and establish a caliphate. Although he was killed in 2006, his vision was realized in 2014—the year isis overran northern Iraq and eastern Syria." More..."Baathists began collaborating with al Qaeda in Iraq – the early incarnation of what would become Islamic State – soon after Saddam Hussein was ousted in 2003." Baathists being saddams military disbanded by rumsfeldt. Edited to add after further investigation. Al queda in iraq was not formed until 2004 under zarqawi. So i am wrong to suggest they were based there pre the 2003 invasion. Apologies for that. 9/11 and terrorism still played a part tho. Google again...."U.S. President George W. Bush argued that the vulnerability of the United States following the September 11 attacks of 2001, combined with Iraq's alleged continued possession and manufacture of weapons of mass destruction and its support for terrorist groups, including al-Qaeda, justified the U.S.'s war with Iraq"
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@jurgnobs1308 Sorry tried to reply but they keep disappearing. Have given up. So much for freedom of speech.
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Sorry jake. Disagree with you about the iraq war being total unnecessary. The iraq war was part of the 20 year "war on terror" after 9/11. No 9/11 then there would have been no regime change in iraq. Sunni iraq under saddam was supporting sunni al queda along along with many other terror groups. They eventually morphed into IS there. Sunni islamic fundamentalist terrorism had been on the rise since the 1990s. The attack on the USS cove was their declaration of war on western civilisation. 9/11 following after. The west would have had to intervene in iraq/afghanistan/middle east at some point. Even the western countries who opposed iraq came around to supporting the "war on terror" once their countries got targetted as well. Also the "war on terror" has been won as there has been no major terror attacks on the west since leaving afghanistan, fingers crossed. Obama said it would take 20 years to win it. The only thing we did wrong was trying to impose democracy into iraq and afghanistan. So instead of being liberators, which we were seen as in the beginning, we became occupiers instead so leading to insurgencies in both countries. Though iraq doesnt have a proper democracy right now. It might become better over time. It is a sharia majority country now tho, due to democratic voting taking place, so is always going to lean towards sharia iran. Saddam was also a dictatorial tyrant who murdered thousands of his own people. Including using chemical weapons against the kurds in his country and in his war with iran. Plus he invaded kuwait previously as well.
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