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Comments by "Alexander Philip" (@alexanderphilip1809) on "The Soviet Economy, Explained" video.
Should have expected that. But i didnt.
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PPL dissolved in 1989. Plus the all or nothing mind set is what causes economic degradation or social unrests. socialistic legacy is firmly tilted in the negative direction owing to the singular fact that inorder to make a living socialtists has to embrace capital or settle for less, most ideologues might agree for that but all you need is a few ambitious ones to set a trend, I say this as somebody living in a subnational state that voluntarily elected a communist(dem. socialist) regime into power, unemployment among the educated was so high that exporting cheap labour to capitalist countries is how we maintained our "high standard of living". So yeah setting up a well funded educational and healthcare system that is accesible without shouting death to capitalism would be the functional choice like the Scandanivians or to a lesser extent the Singaporeans (their's is a more sustainable in the long run), but everybody has their ideological delusions and every generation pays the price for it.
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Also what happened during the rule of socialist regimes as you put it is what happens when any nation institutes functional reforms both int the economic and social spheres in service of development. Given that economic activities are restricted under socialist regimes gives them more reason to make sure that peope are with the program that means seeing to their basic needs, even if they cant fulfill their aspirations. But hey when you are born into nothing, something is is always better than nothing, thats something i can personally appreciate, especially the part about access to education is an absolute plus in favour of socialiatic regimes but only as long as ideological/propaganda classes dont have a presence in educational institutions.
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They woupdnt have survived the competition with the Americans of they'd shifted stance and opened up their economy. Look at what the chinese did, they knew staying in power was more important than fetishizing over ideology. One of the fundamental drawback of a a purely socialist system is its obsessetion with equality, it great on paper but it takes an ever present if not overbearing state which in itself is not a bad thing if the country is small and geographically somewhat secure but USSR was neither small nor secure, it had a multicultural society spread across the country and terribly hostile climate that required costly infra to maintain, the problem with socialist govts is that it often steals tech from the rest of the developed world and markets it as it own. As to why the soviets fell well you might wanna look at why the chinese didnt, that itself answers the question. Also India is still a democratic socialist(we can argue on the semantics ofcourse) country as stipulated by its constitution and its significantly better of than it was before collapse of the soviets.
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And Soviets asked their citizens nicely that they needed to industrialize the country and that just kinda happened ?. Please. Heard of the gulags?. Soviets used what they had in abundance(labour) and put it use in the name of their ideology essentially copying the educational state directed infra policies of the germans. Either grow up or shut up.
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And where is soviet union now ?
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@edgarma4037 workers coops are interesting. But technological supremacy of largely capitalist societies are undeniable, primarily because they focus not on ideology but on profits and opportunities.
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@bigfacts4235 because it doesnt exist anymore.
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@hemiedwards217 sure. Tell that to the fellow marxists who see NEP as a betrayal of values.
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@edgarma4037 Socialism is not a smart economic model but neither is capitalism. Without capaitalism, China wouldnt have its present wealth, Without social welfare policies, economicially weaker sections in any country would collapse. Any one body who advocates the superiority of one over the other is dangerous to human prosperity and welfare. Social welfare polices can get devoured by incompetant bureaucracies and administrative policies, same thing can be said abiut economic freedom and favourable market conditions and bureaucratic climate for doing business and entrepreneurship in general.
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@Etzellll Singaporeans are the real engineers in that regard.
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@nate4z how did that pan out ?
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@SISYPHUS VASILIAS while you are broadly correct, what the USSR achieved is what you get when you centralize resource allocation. what ever political objective that needs to be achieved has a higher probablity if being achieved especially in large countries with a consolidated majority, the chinese being the most famous example of it, japanese, koreans, taiwanese, singaporeans, thais and the malaysians and nearly all of the european and european led colonial states developed as a result of a consolidated majority The Soviets had that in the form of Russians their policy of mass education and tech transfers during the war and that the germans never managed to reach upto or beyond the Urals gave them an added advantage post war, something that most europeans states didnt have as there werent many educational and scientific institutions untouched by the worse effects of war in NEurope.
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@d3th2m3rikkka Ok LiTerAL cApITALeesm. How many countries does S.Korea occupy ? Forcible accusition of resources are reserved for times of upheavel, Whether the system be capitalist or communist. You think China didnt make moves on Vietnam ? Every major country that was "communist" was vast enough to power its infustrial base with its own domestic resources unless you count countries like Cuba whose Industrial base is quite pathetic but its people have relatively high HDI, kind of a one hit wonder.
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@johnmackenzie3871 How dumb are you ? You think socialists dont consume anything ? Think they can survive on air ?
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@miguellopez3392 you numbnut "racism" isnt the same as nativism. By your account every major society in human history was an ist. Grow a brain. Also US had a "white s only" policy that allowed the integration of various European ethnolinguistic groups and religious denominations of christianity in the new world, Thus creating a new identity based on skin color instead of ethnic/religious/linguistic classifications.
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@johnmackenzie3871 half right. The reason lot of countries need "more" people is that urbanization which is part and parcel of industrilazation collapses birth rates below replacement levels(US had suburbs that assisted in keeping the tfr afloat ). Countries that face demographic decline are amongst the most urbanized. maintain a healthy tfr you maintain a sustainable consumer base for consumption. Every ism from capi to commi depends on consumption. commie sympathizers who think they are above consumption need to retake their beloved history lessons.
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@anarchomsky Then unalive yourself and unburden those of us who live in the global south. You people really need to have your collective heads examined. "Acquisition of new markets" becomes a necessity when the existing one shrinks like in Japan's case their urbanization defanged their TFR, collapsing consumer base, collapsing worker base = zero to non existent economic growth, But do you see the Japanese standing in line for their state mandated ration ? Cause they have other markets that HAVENT urbanized or have high fertility rates. Soviet birth rates collapsed ones they urbanized(like Germany and Japan) Soviet union itself collapsed before its effects could come to for. As you woe is me anti imperalist bs. Not every country has the resources required for industrialization thus they resorted to their base instincts acquisition by force, we rarely do that when you can pay for it and there isnt a single source for everything like it uswd to be(closest you can come to that is the US).
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@michaelnguyen9348 every country that isnt capitalist has those(except fractional banking), The difference is that these arwnt set in stone. From S.Korea to Japan to Taiwan to singapore and Malaysia every one of those countries have experienced your disassociated moronic moralist checklist they've also sucvessfully transitioned out of that. With increasing automation most countries wont even be able to do that anymore unless in select sectors, there by condemning them to penury. You know who has bountiful pristine environment, no slavery, no child labor and no fractional reserve banking, Sentinalese islanders and the uncontacted tribes of Amazons. Disassciated straight up dumb Self righteous stupidity has become integral to western political debate. Next thing you know you idiots would be calling for mass starvation to protect the environment.
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@michaelnguyen9348 Neither is Vietnam yet they are doing much better than they used to.
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@michaelnguyen9348 Says the dumb dumb who cant even present an irrefutable proof to back up his absurd claims. In the last 100 years how many non capitalist states have collapsed ? Its not that Capitalism(or its iterations are) is the best system its that the alternatives are so pathetic, dysfunctional abd just as if not more unsustainable(I mean the people drained the Aral sea and not at the behest of Capital) that it presents amoral capitalism as the best alternative especially if the state has a firm hand on the rudder(Anglosaxons have started to lose out on this) to prevent hyper financialisation of the economy like in Hong Kong & UK(even then you didnt see people swimming away from HK until the security laws, same thing with Florida and Venezuala, You dont see people crossing the Rio grande or swimming across the strait in the opposite direction)
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@michaelnguyen9348 He explicitly stated that they werent socialist. Americans have a hard time reconciling with social democratic policies.
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@michaelnguyen9348 oh no. you didnt just peddle that bullshit. North Korea was relatively more industrialized than the south Plus they actually bordered China and USSR the latter of whom, who was a superpower in its own right was their largest sponsor. Do you even hear your own b.s, N Korea was in the communist block up until three decades ago, USSR collapsed and they moved to PRC as their new sponsor. big evil america sanctioned poor borth korea, give me a fcking break. The North was confident in its ability to break the south hence their invasion which still hasnt resolved the question. Yes America threw in billions TO REBUILD a war torn economy that was integral to its interests, It gave grants but eventually moved on from that to loans(which south koreans had to repay). People seem to forget that USSR WHICH WAS ANOTHER SUPERPOWER existed to fund these idiotic states. S Korea was already an industrialized state with high pci by the time Soviet Union collapsed, Prior to which the Soviets had the opportunity to fund the North yet their efforts(which there were) didnt produce nearly the same result as that of the Americans and S.koreans. And it wasnt until the younger generation of idiots took over that they started down their present path.
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@michaelnguyen9348 unless you are talking about barter system trade requires profit or atleast the transaction should result in a break even to sustain itself. Shitting on profits is the core tenant of every hairbrained leftist on the planet.
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@miguellopez3392 Banks are saved because they are integral to the system. A better solution would be tighter regulations and monitoring of the financial system.
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@mclilzenthepoet2331 another idiot here. Last time Japanese economy had any real growth was nearly 3 decades ago society hasnt collapsed despite their falling birth rates(sure the overworked population is a problem but when there arent enough workers to fill the gap kinda predictable which they did hence their multidecade long automation push. what happens depends to an extent on who it is happening to and how they respond.
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@rimondas6729 ok numbnut. lets hear your alternative.
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@doniehurley9396 you kindaa do. maybe not to produce but definetly to consume.
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@miguellopez3392 what have you been smoking. Socialism, democracy, regulating capitalism well. You really putting all those terms together and still expect to be taken seriously ? or havent you heard of India.
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@koba4691 Are you capable of articulating a response that involves more than 5 letters.
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@saturationstation1446 you really need to stop attending party classes. still clinging to sophmoric fantasies of anticapitalism informed by half baked understanding of economic systems. Heard of the Nordic/Scandanavian model or the East Asian State driven Corporatist model ? High Corporate taxes you idiot granted you have an advanced industrial base and a very competent government.
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@saturationstation1446 you really caalling capitalists inbred while makijg the most juvenile categorically primotive and idiotc arguments in the entire commrnt thread. You a troll or something. You how many vountries their are for your ill informed argument to work the system you described would have to be carefully managed with brute suppression an that to while maintaining mass starvation of the populace that is too docile despite their hardship to revolt. B_tch I just described North Korea. What your alternative ? viva la revoluvion ? Education truly has taken a nose dive or perhaps its the chronic inbreeding amongst cotravellers.
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@michaelnguyen9348 meh imperialism shmimperialism. power dictates policy. If you dont have it stfu. Imperial Britain was powerful ot knocked out by war India gained independance, Do you see Britain trying to colonize India again ? I mean seriously ? Chinese invasion of Vietnam same thing. Whether something is imperilism depends on whether its a successful show of force, to moralize international politics is categorically stupid, hollow and insipid.
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@condimentofmassdestruction9114 growth ? really Bich thts called the Monroe doctrine. Primacy in backyard. Plus Most latin American states are richer than actually colonized states of Africa and India.
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@condimentofmassdestruction9114 free trade is for adults not for nascent nations that are starting out. Aside from the Dutch free trade has helped very few to no states on the planet.
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@condimentofmassdestruction9114 boy stfu. The only reason Capitalism has ties any times to imperialism and that alone gets highlighted is because Nations and Empires that DIDNOT have resources acquired it from elsewhere in an era where international trade wasnt as comprehensive or pervasive as it today or 70 years ago, power doesnt lament. The Soviets invaded and annexed countries aka imperialism not because they were capitalists bit for them it was a national security question. Saying stupid but sensational bs doesnt add tenor to your arguments. By your argument only Marxist "historians" and I use that term very loosely are right.
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@matheusvillela9150 Talk about being a dumb dumb. Aside from Iraq which is the only imperialist argument in recent memory what have the Americans annexed that was purely an economic play ? Hawaii was strategic, so was the manifest destiny. I mean aside from the old sugar and banana its safe to say Americans have moved on fruits and vegetables. As for the soviets well.
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@matheusvillela9150 Guam ah yes the most economically vital entity in US's arsenal. What do you think those 800 bases are for you idiot. It was built at a time to create a world trade order so that regional heavyweights ex.Japan, China, Germany, UK and Turkey dont dominate their respective backyards. American imperialism with exceptions is(was) about facilitating trade to undercut soviet influence, soviets are no more those 800+ bases are just an expensr. Americans have been coasting without a strategic plan for quite a while. You are crying wolf at something that was built for another era.
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@andreypetrov4868 oh sureee. East Europe and Afghanistan was just Gapitalist propganda. Nobody did agitprop as well as the Soviets stfu.
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@andreypetrov4868 list em lets go over them one by one and take stock.
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@KekusMagnus Can you please explain how any alternative to capitalism is sustainable %#^-%'. Three words: TFR above 2.1. P.S- Go back to school kid.
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@miguellopez3392 more or less. Its the best system if regulated by competent authorities with foresight and an appetite for technological and scientific advancements.
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comes from hate and political propaganda. Yeah cataclysmjc system failure can do that. See how S.Korea, Singapore countries with far less resources arent seen through the same lenbs, why ? They survived the 20th century.
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@chidambaranathans1975 woah. Hold on. Dont let JNU alums hear you say that. American assistance?. Thats blasphemy. Soviet Union for most Indians was their lord and saviour, we are a moronic bunch, ruled by our ideological stupidities.
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@Globalscanningeyes not necessarily.
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