Comments by "Dr. Ian Plect" (@Dr.IanPlect) on "Animal Origins" channel.

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  32.  @easportsaxb8057  There is NO aggressive tone, just fervent energy, and your replies are far from tone free. "But I still think I'm not the wrong in this argument." YOU ARE, and this reply itself demonstrates even more lack of understanding (read below) "Sure, Neofelis is most basal living pantherine, but not the most basal felid." - 'most basal felid' is of ZERO relevance here! This is about 'which living felid is nearest to stc', not 'which felid is most basal' "It may sit closer to Machairodontinae than the rest of Pantherinae" - at last, you agree on a point I made ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS is where your flaw lies; "but it DOES NOT sit closer to Machairodontinae than Felinae" - this comment in particular is that which 'demonstrates even more lack of understanding'! - this is NOT about which subfamily the clouded leopard is closer to; Machairodontinae or Felinae! Of course it's closer to Felinae as there's a more recent common ancestor, but that's not the question! ------- - it's 'which living felid is closest to stc'! SIMPLE 1. ALL living felids are in a sister clade to Machairodontinae. 2. The clouded leopard is the closest to the common ancestor of both clades. 3. Therefore the clouded leopard, of living felids, is closest to stc. Or stating it the other way; stc's closest living relative is cl. Something just occurred to me in what may be tripping you up; when I write; a) 'the clouded leopard is the closest living felid to stc, do you subconsciously read that as; b) 'clouded leopard is therefore closer to stc than it is to other living felids'? Because a) and b) are stating distinct things and don't conflict!
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  64.  @easportsaxb8057  "I don't think I misunderstood the statement; I was actually addressing the point (that clouded leopards are NOT sabre-tooths closest living relatives)" No, the comment you objected to; "The Clouded Leopard is the closest living relative to the Saber-Toothed Cat." is CORRECT, of all living felines, the clouded leopard IS closest to the stc! ------ I remind you again that your response to this... "where did you get that information? Because no, the clouded leopard is much more related to other pantherines such as lions, tigers and leopards. It's the most primitive of the subfamily Pantherinae." ...is NOT addressing the point! The point is clear and obvious; of all living felines, the clouded leopard is most closely related to the stc. This DOES NOT conflict with the clouded leopard being closer to lions, leopards etc! ------------ PLEASE understand your flaw; YES, clouded leopards ARE closer to other Pantherinae, lions etc than to stc, that's not in contention, nor did that other person say otherwise. ***BUT, because clouded leopards have a common ancestor further back than the rest of Pantherinae, the degree of relationship to other felines is NOT equal. THEREFORE of all Pantherinae, the clouded leopard sits a bit closer to stc than the rest. Add to this the fact that no other living felines outside Pantherinae sit further back toward the stc than the clouded leopard, and you have; the clouded leopard, of all living felines, is the nearest to stc. AGAIN, this DOES NOT conflict with 'clouded leopards are closer to other Pantherinae'! ***You even said it yourself "It's the most primitive of the subfamily Pantherinae"!
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  72. ​ @oldgeezerproductions  Your understanding of evolution and classification is flawed throughout your reply. I'm going to reply in a manner intended to provoke thought and reexamination of your current understanding of the subject, which is lacking. I'm a zoologist by profession (BSc biology, PhD zoology); "It depends entirely from which point of view you are taking. You may as well say: "having chordate ancestors neither means we are now, nor were we chordates."" - that nonsense highlights your lack of understanding; a) we are chordates now because we retain the necessary traits to be classified as chordates!, 'fish' has a set of characteristics unique to them (the entire basis of taxonomy; group identity on the basis of traits!), we no longer have those traits that make a fish a fish. THAT is the difference in your flawed analogy between fish and chordates b) your other silly misunderstanding from my first reply "nor were we fish", is in not realising what that states! 'We were fish' is stating 'in a previous life we were fish'! NO, our ancestors were fish, 'we' were never fish! 'You' are only ever the one organism you lived as, a human, 'you' were never a fish. Take heed of misusing words in making a point "We are our ancestors" - there you go again! NO, 'you' are 'you', you were never a previous individual of another species! AGAIN; take heed of misusing words to make a point "and they are us" - same again; our ancestors were individuals only, they didn't reform as a descendant, the descendant is a distinct individual. Again; take heed of misusing words to make a point "(even if different species) because we did not come from any kind of "Special Creation" out of mud (or rib as the case may be)." - drop the entirely irrelevant religious angle, it's nonsense "The organs, biochemical processes and structures we have within our bodies are modifications of the basic designs worked out by creatures we call "fish" who were indeed our ancestors." - an arbitrary point! I could point to other milestone taxa before and after fish that evolved significant traits that were the beginnings of major groupings ancestral to us! Why not call us those taxa ? A major example is tetrapods, 4 limbed vertebrates. These evolved after fish and EXCLUDE fish. So why not drop 'we are fish' in favour of this? The answer is easy and I've stated it already; we are NOT fish anymore, just as we are not those early tetrapods anymore. We evolved traits that distinguish us from them. "Within all of us, as mentioned, are these structures, so in a very real sense, we are indeed fish that are adapted to live on land just as we are apes that have adapted to large-brain consciousness." - addressed above ------------- Reread this part of your thinking; "The organs, biochemical processes and structures we have within our bodies are modifications of the basic designs worked out by creatures we call "fish" who were indeed our ancestors." - Consider this; we evolved from single-celled ancestors (bacteria/archaea). In your own thinking; 'The organs, biochemical processes and structures we have within our bodies are modifications of the basic designs worked out by creatures we call "bacteria/archaea" who were indeed our ancestors." So, why not run with 'we are bacteria/archaea'? The answer, AGAIN is; we no longer have the traits that define us as those ancestors (namely; they have a prokaryotic cell, ours are eukaryotic and they are single-celled, we are multi-cellular). The point is the same; we evolved traits distinct from those ancestors that excludes us from those taxonomic groupings! Please don't gloss over my substantive reply. ----- A final note in case you might bring this up; being within Sarcopterygii and its cladistic implications still doesn't mean we are fish.
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  112.  @easportsaxb8057  "are you attacking me for defending truth or are you just doing it for the sake of it? Because I don't see how I didn't understand the statement. Maybe read the conversation again. The statement by the user I replied to was obviously wrong. So I corrected it. Neofelis (clouded leopards) belong to the Pantherinae subfamily of felids, therefore they're more closely related to other pantherines, such as lions, tigers, leopards and others than to machairodontines which include the famous sabre-tooths, suggested by the user to be the closest relatives of clouded leopards. I see some hypocrisy here, maybe you're the ignorant one." - I was going to let this go until this nonsense appeared! ---------------- READ CAREFULLY Your reply completely misinterprets his statement; "where did you get that information? Because no, the clouded leopard is much more related to other pantherines such as lions, tigers and leopards. It's the most primitive of the subfamily Pantherinae." 1. The statement was NOT 'which feline is the clouded leopard closest to'! That would be other Pantherinae. 2. It was 'The Clouded Leopard is the closest living relative to the Saber-Toothed Cat' - that's a very distinct statement! - of course it's closer to other Pantherinae members, but his statement addressed 'which living feline is closest to saber-toothed cats'! Answer; clouded leopard! And they ARE closer to stc than other Pantherinae members are to stc, because as a more basal outgroup, their immediate common ancestor is closer to stc than the immediate common ancestor of other Pantherinae is. It's that clear cut. ------------ Now, drop the hostile tone, read why you are wrong not by lacking knowledge, but by misinterpreting what was and was not stated! When you do, it would be nice for you to withdraw this silliness 'I see some hypocrisy here, maybe you're the ignorant one'!
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  172. Reference the ignoramus, Indy Reno below; YET AGAIN, here's Reno posting outdated/inaccurate/flat out made up taxonomies, this effort is among your worst mess yet. FOR THOSE UNAWARE, this commenter; Dogmatically ignores criticism and continually posts flawed taxonomies. It's always the same; he posts flawed taxonomy, I or others correct it, he ignores it and posts even more bs. I'm a PhD zoologist and detest this kind of misinformation and ignorance. His typical response to criticism is to entirely ignore it and blindly regurgitate the same or other taxonomic nonsense, usually beginning 'Actually...'. ------------------ 1. Note that Reno stubbornly omits the giant panda as a bear at all; a topic decided long ago following genetic analysis confirming their relatedness and ancestry. 2. He erroneously lists subspecies as distinct species; Melursus inornatus, Helarctos indochinensis, Helarctos euryspilus, Euarctos emmonsi, Euarctos cinnamomum, Euarctos kermodei 3. 'Euarctos' is an invalid genus name, (it's Ursus). There are EIGHT (not 15) extant bear species in FOUR (not 5) genera, as follows 4. His listings for Ursus are a complete cow pat disaster; just ignore it all, it's a disgrace. Ursus (4) Brown bear, Ursus arctos Polar bear, Ursus maritimus American black bear, Ursus americanus Asiatic black bear, Ursus thibetanus Ailuropoda (1) Giant panda, Ailuropoda melanoleuca Tremarctos (1) Spectacled bear, Tremarctos ornatus Helarctos (1) Sun bear, Helarctos malayanus Melursus (1) Sloth bear, Melursus ursinus
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