Randy Schissler
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Comments by "Randy Schissler" (@randyschissler5791) on "3 scientists school flat Earthers on the evidence | Neil deGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye, Michelle Thaller" video.
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Here is a partial list. Not CGI, Photoshopped, or composite. Shot on celluloid film.
AS08-13-2369 to 88, that's 19 photos.
AS08-14-2507 to 80, that's 73 photos.
AS08-16-2619 to 58, that's 39 photos.
AS08-16-2587 to 609, that's 22 photos.
AS17-162-24047 and 48, that's two photos.
AS17-162-24066 to 73, that's seven photos.
AS17-148-22669 to 71, that's three photos.
AS17-148-22679 to 86, that's seven photos.
AS17-148-22699 to 702, that's three photos.
AS17-148-22717 to 51, that's 34 photos.
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Here is a partial list. Not CGI, Photoshopped, or composite. All shot on celluloid film.
AS08-13-2369 to 88, that's 19 photos.
AS08-14-2507 to 80, that's 73 photos.
AS08-16-2619 to 58, that's 39 photos.
AS08-16-2587 to 609, that's 22 photos.
AS11-40-5923 to 24, that’s 2 photos.
AS14-64-9189 to 97, that’s 9 photos.
AS17-134-20383 to 84, that’s 2 photos.
AS17-134-20387, that’s 1 photo.
AS17-137-20910-11, that’s 2 photos.
AS17-162-24047 and 48, that's two photos.
AS17-162-24066 to 73, that's seven photos.
AS17-148-22669 to 71, that's three photos.
AS17-148-22679 to 86, that's seven photos.
AS17-148-22699 to 702, that's three photos.
AS17-148-22717 to 51, that's 34 photos.
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Pick one thing and stick with it, don't let him change the subject to some other bit of nonsense. Best to pick something that is observable, like a sunset over an open ocean. Give him something like this:
To prove the earth a globe, all you have to do is observe the sun, throughout the course of a day. Notice how it maintains the same size throughout the day, whether it be sunrise, mid day overhead, or sunset, when it rather abruptly slides down below the horizon. Even at that point of sunset, still keeping the same size as it was earlier in the day. That alone, proves the earth a rotating globe. On your flat earth model of the sun going around in a circle, the sun would have to start out as a tiny little dot since it would be very far away, gradually getting larger and larger as it came closer to you, until its largest size of the day at mid day. Then, it would have to get smaller and smaller as it moved away from you, until just a tiny little pinpoint of light at sunset. Even in darkness, that tiny little pinpoint of light, would still be visible. Yet, that doesn't happen with the sun we see in reality. The sun in reality, doesn't get smaller and smaller. Doesn't get so small, until just a tiny little pinpoint of light, as it moves away from you. Instead, in reality, it maintains the same size throughout the course of a day, even at sunset. Thus, the earth is a rotating globe.
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@davesantiago1827 " in actuality its going straight across the sky"
So, the sun is getting smaller and smaller and smaller, as it's going away from you?
Observe, the sun throughout the course of a day, at sunrise, mid day overhead, and at sunset, preferably on a clear day over the ocean. Notice how the sun maintains the same size throughout the course of the day, whether it be sunrise, mid day overhead, or sunset. The key point being, the sun keeps the same size throughout. This is what we see everyday in reality, and only works if the earth is a globe. Impossible on a flat earth.
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@davesantiago1827 "Also I never claimed the sun got smaller"
You can't even explain how your flat earth works! The point is, which you totally ignored, is that on a flat earth, the sun would have to appear smaller, and smaller, and smaller, the farther away it moves away from you. Yet, in reality, that's not what happens, thus, the earth has to be a globe, because the sun can only maintain the same size if the earth is a rotating globe.
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@Social.Media.Is.A.Weapon. Here is a partial list of photos of the earth from space. They are neither CGI, Photoshopped, or composite. They were all shot on celluloid film.
AS08-13-2369 to 88, that's 19 photos.
AS08-14-2507 to 80, that's 73 photos.
AS08-16-2619 to 58, that's 39 photos.
AS08-16-2587 to 609, that's 22 photos.
AS11-40-5923 to 24, that’s 2 photos.
AS14-64-9189 to 97, that’s 9 photos.
AS17-134-20383 to 84, that’s 2 photos.
AS17-134-20387, that’s 1 photo.
AS17-137-20910-11, that’s 2 photos.
AS17-162-24047 and 48, that's two photos.
AS17-162-24066 to 73, that's seven photos.
AS17-148-22669 to 71, that's three photos.
AS17-148-22679 to 86, that's seven photos.
AS17-148-22699 to 702, that's three photos.
AS17-148-22717 to 51, that's 34 photos.
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Flat earthers can't comprehend how huge the earth really is, in regards to human activity. They think if something look flat, it must be flat, thought it isn't. Measuring curvature on small bodies of water is worthless, because the curvature is so miniscule, that it is insignificant. If there was a boat on the left and right of you, as far away as the boat going over the horizon in front of you, it would be the same thing. If there is no water seen beyond the boat, then the boat is farther than the horizon. If the earth was flat, there would ALWAYS be water beyond the boat, all the way to your mythical edge.
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@livannal.t.9068 "Flat non-rotating plane" according to NASA. " Just shows how ignorant you really are! You think Reference Publication 1207 is saying that the earth is flat and non rotating, when it doesn't say that at all. It’s a reference document for a computer aircraft flight simulation written in 1988. In order for the computer to crunch the numbers more quickly, they left out all factors which had a negligible effect. Such as the curve and rotation of the earth. If the earth was in fact flat and non-rotating, they wouldn’t have had to make note of this. But it is in fact spherical and rotating, so they included the fact that the computer program did not take these factors into account, so that everyone was on the same page. The equations that have been derived in the report are based on the assumption of a “rigid aircraft of constant mass,” which doesn't happen in reality, as aircraft burn fuel while they fly and change mass. Just like “flying in a stationary atmosphere,” which doesn’t happen in reality, as there is always wind. So, the equations in the report are based on the assumption of an ideal craft that burns no fuel, flying in air that has no wind, over a non-rotating flat earth.
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@Dmaj089 "The moon landing is pure comedy."
You're so ignorant, you don't even know that there were six moon landings by six different crews, even if alleged. Yeah, Nixon made a call to Houston Mission Control, and it was patched to the moon via radio. You never heard of radio either, right? That's as dumber than dumb, on your part. Also, water curves around the big earth, because of gravity. Scientific as can be. Oh, but let me guess--gravity is fake, just like your brain.
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@andrewaitken3684 "turn your flashlight on, shine it on the floor at one end standing in the middle then rotate it 180 degrees to the other end"
Also, notice how wherever you are standing in the room, you can still see the flashlight. Even if you are standing in darkness. On a flat earth, the sun would have to always be visible, everywhere on earth, at any time. Even if it got smaller and smaller as it moved away from you, to just a tiny dot, it would never set, always remaining visible.
But, we don't see that in reality, do we?
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"show me one picture of Earth from space"
Here is a partial list. They are neither CGI, Photoshopped, or composite. Shot on celluloid film.
AS08-13-2369 to 88, that's 19 photos.
AS08-14-2507 to 80, that's 73 photos.
AS14-64-9189 to 97, that’s 9 photos.
AS08-16-2619 to 58, that's 39 photos.
AS08-16-2587 to 609, that's 22 photos.
AS11-40-5923 to 24, that’s 2 photos.
AS17-162-24047 and 48, that's two photos.
AS17-162-24066 to 73, that's seven photos.
AS17-148-22669 to 71, that's three photos.
AS17-148-22679 to 86, that's seven photos.
AS17-148-22699 to 702, that's three photos.
AS17-148-22717 to 51, that's 34 photos.
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@livannal.t.9068 Name all those documents then! You can't! You obviously didn't read or understand a word I said. Here, I'll repeat it for you:
You think Reference Publication 1207 is saying that the earth is flat and non rotating, when it doesn't say that at all. It’s a reference document for a computer aircraft flight simulation written in 1988. In order for the computer to crunch the numbers more quickly, they left out all factors which had a negligible effect. Such as the curve and rotation of the earth. If the earth was in fact flat and non-rotating, they wouldn’t have had to make note of this. But it is in fact spherical and rotating, so they included the fact that the computer program did not take these factors into account, so that everyone was on the same page. The equations that have been derived in the report are based on the assumption of a “rigid aircraft of constant mass,” which doesn't happen in reality, as aircraft burn fuel while they fly and change mass. Just like “flying in a stationary atmosphere,” which doesn’t happen in reality, as there is always wind. So, the equations in the report are based on the assumption of an ideal craft that burns no fuel, flying in air that has no wind, over a non-rotating flat earth.
If the earth was flat, why would you have to "assume" that it is flat? If the earth was flat, assume wouldn't be needed.
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The idea that you can't go to Antarctica is flat earth propaganda. Most people wouldn't want to go there because it is a very hostile place, with few services available. The reason why flat earthers say that no one can go to Antarctica, is because they are all cowards. Too chicken to actually go there and look for the edge of flat earth, because they're too afraid that they won't find it, and thus their flat earth fantasy is nothing but foolish nonsense.
The moon was landed on six times. They took thousands of pictures, hundred plus hours of video, and brought back over 800 pounds of moon rocks. It costs an enormous amount of money to do so, and without funding, drive, and purpose, it hasn't happened since. Other than for nostalgia's sake, which isn't a good enough reason, I can't see a compelling reason to go back. More pictures, more rocks? However, I've been overruled, and the Artemis/Orion project should return by 2025.
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"Say something about the ball earth that i can't debunk!! Let's go"
To prove the earth a globe, all you have to do is observe the sun, throughout the course of a day. Notice how it maintains the same size throughout the day, whether it be sunrise, mid day overhead, or sunset, when it rather abruptly slides down below the horizon. Even at that point of sunset, still keeping the same size as it was earlier in the day. That alone, proves the earth a rotating globe. On your flat earth model of the sun going around in a circle, the sun would have to start out as a tiny little dot since it would be very far away, gradually getting larger and larger as it came closer to you, until its largest size of the day at mid day. Then, it would have to get smaller and smaller as it moved away from you, until just a tiny little pinpoint of light at sunset. Even in darkness, that tiny little pinpoint of light, would still be visible. Yet, that doesn't happen with the sun we see in reality. The sun in reality, doesn't get smaller and smaller. Doesn't get so small, until just a tiny little pinpoint of light, as it moves away from you. Instead, in reality, it maintains the same size throughout the course of a day, even at sunset. Thus, the earth is a rotating globe.
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@Sendpacohome The 8" per mile squared is the ridiculous Flat Earther Curvature Formula. Only flat earthers use it, because they ignore viewer height, and the line of sight angle, so its no wonder they get wonky numbers using it. It's silly to account for curvature for typical railways, canals, roads, because the amount of curvature is insignificant. The earth is very big, and tiny amounts of curvature over relatively short distances can be ignored. Some very long bridges like the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge do have to account for curvature. Curvature for the Suez Canal is irrelevant. It may be level, but certainly not flat, and no, ships don't have to go up hill or downhill, with the earth being a globe. That's flat earther foolishness, if you want to believe that stupidity.
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@FinanciallyWeGrow "u lie and say we can’t see a boat because it goes over the curvature maybe my eyes can’t see it but my binoculars can"
If you can see the boat in its entirety, then it hasn't gone over the horizon, it is in front of the horizon. When a boat starts to go over the horizon, the bottom also starts to disappear, because it is being obstructed by the curvature of the earth. No amount of zoom or magnification can bring back the bottom of the boat.
"Look up Pythagoras and see why he thought the earth was a globe"
His initial reasons are irrelevant. However, he still thought the earth a globe, and was convinced because of lunar eclipses, and how the horizon made ships disappear. Look up Eratosthenes, and how he calculated the circumference of the globe earth to a high degree of accuracy in 240BC.
"Did u know our internet and phone access comes from underwater cables? "
Yes there are underwater cables, and there have been for many decades. They certainly don't provide cellular service or GPS (Global Positioning System).
"Did you know that satellites were on helium balloons?"
False, that's flat earth nonsense. How would you keep them from being blown off course, or damaged from severe storms?
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@nallen1006 You seem to think that indoctrination tells us the shape of the earth. That's narrow minded nonsense. You can go outside and observe the sun throughout the course of a day, to come to the conclusion that the earth is a globe. It's impossible for the sun to maintain the same size, throughout the course of a day, if the earth was flat. That's not indoctrination, that's observable reality.
In terms of Operation Paperclip, were they really hard core Nazi's, or just rocket scientists that were given the opportunity to resettle in the US, and work for the US? They certainly weren't going to be able to continue their work in Germany, and were smart not to want to be captured by the Russians, so why not take the best offer? While former Nazi's may have worked for NASA, it's false to say NASA was started by Nazi's, especially since NASA wasn't even created until 1958.
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Total nonsense! Anyway, here is a partial list of some of the best. Not composite, Photoshopped, or CGI. All shot on celluloid film.
AS17-148-22725 to 22751, that's 26 photos.
AS08-14-2383 to 2394, that's 12 photos.
AS08-15-2535 to 2580, that's 46 photos.
AS08-16-2588 to 2609, that's 22 photos.
AS11-44-6668 to AS11-44-6696, that's 29 photos.
AS11-36-5293 to 5309, that's 17 photos.
AS11-36-5317 to 5381, that's 65 photos.
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@link7412 If your reading of the Bible was more astute, you would realize that the Bible is filled with poetic and colorful metaphors, hyperbole, similes, parables and figures of speech. Not every word is to be taken literal. Look at this in reference to your verse from Job.
"Spread out the sky”: This phrase refers to the expanse of the heavens, the celestial canopy that stretches above us. It speaks of God’s creative power in forming the universe.
“Which is strong”: Despite its apparent delicacy, the sky is remarkably sturdy. It holds the sun, moon, stars, and clouds in place, providing a protective covering for the earth.
“As a molten looking glass”: The comparison to a mirror made of molten bronze emphasizes both its brilliance and its solidity. Just as a polished mirror reflects light, the sky reflects the glory of God’s creation.
In essence, this verse reminds us of God’s sovereignty over the natural world. It invites us to marvel at the intricate design of the sky and recognize the Creator behind it all.
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@DeadEyeJedi "when rail companies are laying tracks, or road-builders are building long distance roads, they also have to take curvature into account."
From an engineering aspect, I disagree with this. They pretty much follow the terrain, where slope and grade are the most important considerations, not the curvature of the earth. Laying track or roads as close to level (which means a globe earth, because of gravity) as possible is the goal, so curvature would rarely be a consideration. Roads and railroad tracks are built in fairly short segments, so deviation from the earth's curvature would be insignificant anyway. Regardless, the notion that flat earthers like to hold that straight roads and straight railroad tracks must mean a flat earth, is silly.
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For something to be level, you have to have gravity, it really has nothing to do with flat. Of course something that is flat can be level, but not always. A vertical wall can be flat, but it sure isn't level. A wall with a slope can be flat, but it isn't level either. A tool level, you know with the bubble in a tube of liquid, works via gravity. Sea level isn't referring to flat, it is because gravity has pulled it around the globe of the earth. The earth being so massive, is why it may appear flat to the naked eye. Flat earthers will tell you that gravity doesn't exist, but that's because gravity can't work very well on flat earth.
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@misterjones6696 "Take a Globe and dump a Bucket of water on it see if the globe will hold the water (Gravity=Theory) strong enough to hold entire oceans but cant hold down a helium baloon ,smoke, or a gnat."
The gravity of the earth pulls the water off the globe, and down to the earth, so of course that experiment won't work. The helium balloon is lighter than air, so can escape gravity to a point. Smoke is moved by air currents, but will eventually settle. A gnat has wings, so can counter gravity. When the gnat isn't flying, it is being held by gravity. Oceans don't have wings, and are not lighter than air, so of course gravity holds it to the earth.
Here is something to think about. If the earth was the size of a basketball, the depth of the billions of tons of the oceans would only be a quarter of a millimeter in thickness. Now, a millimeter isn't much, but imagine only a quarter of a millimeter, in thickness for all that water! Wow, that doesn't seem like so much water for gravity to hold to the earth, does it?
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@Phoenix80675 Ok, I just read it. My other reply still stands. Are "I am the light of the world,", "I am the door of the sheep," “I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep," "I am the vine; you are the branches," "he who comes to me will not hunger," the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready," all to be taken absolutely literal?
Ask yourself why is it that not one real Christian church supports or promotes a flat earth and dome? You really think that a few random flat earthers are the only knowers of truth? Out of all the thousands of Christians I have met, only two have been flat earthers. However, they also believed in every cockamamie conspiracy theory there is, so it was no wonder that they were flat earthers as well.
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@Jan-zm2yv Why doesn’t the sun get smaller and smaller, as it moves away? Wouldn’t that make logical sense on your flat earth model, that the sun would appear smaller and smaller, as it moves farther away? Why doesn’t it get so small, until just a tiny pinpoint of light? Instead, why in reality, does the sun maintain the same size, throughout the course of a day, whether it be sunrise, mid day overhead, or at sunset?
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@jaykay9286 "And there are many videos of the Sun shrinking in size."
Total nonsense. You can't produce even one. The only videos that flat earthers produce of the sun, are the ones with overexposed lens flare, huge blobs of blurry light that don't resemble the sun at all.
If the earth was truly flat, the sun would start out as a tiny little dot, then magnify many times over until at its largest at mid day. Then gradually getting smaller, and smaller, and smaller, until just a tiny dot again, a pinpoint of light. A pinpoint of light, that you could still see in darkness, just as we see other stars. But, in reality, that doesn't happen, thus the earth is a rotating globe.
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