Comments by "Kristopher Driver" (@paxdriver) on "Triggernometry"
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40:59 what Israel should have done:
Humility and accountability. "we'll put Netanyahu on trial with your judge, you put Hamas on trial with our judge. Drop the blockade, give equal rights to all people of the region, and both parties collaborate in taking down terrorist from both sides without civilian casualties. None except one-off incidentals like a stray bullet or ricochet, not bombing an apartment to get a militant, you stalk the militant and snipe them. You acknowledge injustice and establish universal accountability and both sides work together to prosecute those who commit atrocities. In the meantime civilians live their lives with equal rights."
It's that simple, it would be ugly but not nearly as ugly as slaughtering 30,000 people thusly inspiring a new generation of terrorists.
This isn't about anything other than the facts, and the facts are universal accountability and universal justice is the answer. You have to submit your war criminals, we'll submit ours, and in the meantime everyone else is equal in society. Gaza was never equal. They had no ability to trade, to expand, to leave without checkpoints, to earn, to learn, to receive and contribute to the national prosperity.
Everyone needs to be equally responsible for the harms they commit. And it's done in one generation with a fraction of the casualties.
There simply is no justification for civilian casualties I think Gaza, or Israel, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or any other country. All you have to do is treat people equally, prosecute equally, and that's it. Hamas would have no support without oppression. Why would I become a suicide bomber except by my family and friends being murdered for nothing without consequence. If I have a life to live and when murderers kill they are jailed, then eventually next generation it's over. A few thousand radicals kill a dozen each over 20 years in the process, but that's nothing compared tk killing 30,000 in 6 months and worsening the issue without end.
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It would certainly help them understand why it's a ridiculous statement to say "for argument sake let's presume atrocities occurred before Oct 7, but still..."
There is no "but still...". Desperate people with nothing to lose get radicalized. You can't just perpetrate a lifetime of oppression then say "let's put that aside for now", that's the entire reason for Hamas. That's the reason for hate and violence. That is the only reason for Oct 7, nobody hated Jews before the oppression, they lived side by side and shared religious venues weekly. It was the oppression that led to Oct 7, and a lifetime of it that led to the recruiting of terrorists.
Iran's support of terrorism is also the result of many generations feeling the sting of western oppression for the heinous crime of not wanting to be exploited or have their own democratic government overthrown by Americans who felt entitled to profiteer. It's absolutely insane to not consider recent history, that is literally the only motivation for a suicide bomber, having nothing to lose and hating the people who benefited from your suffering.
It's completely baffling to me so many of these commets act like they don't even understand English or common sense. It doesn't take a scholar to relate to Palestinians, look at how USA citizens today justify Iraq: that wasn't me, I was a kid when that happened. That wasn't me, my government lied tk me. We were attacked, we had to respond to defend our freedom. They renegged on a resource exploitation arrangement, they deserve to be sanctioned even though we coerced a completely unfair deal because the corrupt leader we installed signed on the dotted line.
When we the west are threatened we respond with force even when we caused it, but when Hamad is born after decades of injustice they never caused in the first place, we demand they had a cooler head.
If you want Hamas prosecuted and stopped the water put Bush on trial. If the people "should hand over Hamas" then why isn't America handing over Bush and Biden? The double standard here is astonishingly obvious and all YouTubers have to say is "word salad".
Incompetence is so infuriating in situations like these because it doesn't take a scholar to parse the facts. There's very little nuance if you out in the effort to read or listen. Nobody who spent a single day going over the timeline and statistics would have any difficulty figuring out why this happened or how Israel could prevent it in the past and future by e a universal endowment of equal rights. We celebrate when we act like Hamas, and then celebrate when we act like Israel. We're just as insane as ISIS and almost everyonr here js clueless of that fact because knowing things appears to take less effort than promulgation thjngs we never learned but assume we already know.
It takes less energy to comment on YouTube in ignorant support of atrocity than it does to just be informed in the first place. Over tijmr it takes less energy to learn than it does to argue ignorantly. Just check norm's citations, and ICJ references, and speak to Palestinians they have group chats on twitter you can just talk to them and ask them anything at all. Make an effort or stop disinforming people, it's more important to get it right than feel an unearned ego boost. These are real people.
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not even 20 mins into this and my brain is hurting from the pitiful research these two have cobbled to prepare for this debate. this is mind-numbingly stupid.
trump is self-serving, his entire life has shown this. where would he be today if not the in politics? already prosecuted. how many black marijuana possession defendents would get away with contempt of court or violating gag orders half a dozen times, or witness tampering live, or filmed confessing to sexual assault then later being found liable for sexual assault? how about Deutchebank fraud, money laundering, or all of his most staunch supporters having committed crimes with evidence, not witch hunt investigations but actual evidence? count them. his own confessions to why he fired comey, or the fact that oil is indeed being produced at record levels meanwhile trump dismantles consumer protection agencies like EPA to protect companies from liability of oil disasters, meanwhile nat gas leaks all over the usa from hundreds of thousands of uncapped wells because corporate law and bankruptcy protects companies profits and socializes the damages through umbrella corporations similar to those trump used to get wealthy on failed businesses, which he himself bragged about as being "smart" on his campaign in a debate while the average non-elite joe suffers inflation. let's count the number of policies trump passed vs destroyed, talk about who loves america well america loves democracy. nuff said. /
let's talk economics: migrants are good for the economy, they're generally no lawyers if they're illegal. there's also not been any immigration process reforms under trump or border controls for biden to take over because trump didn't actually do anything productive, he just made the powerful more powerful and the powerless more powerless. we've gutted education and healthcare for years and global independent studies reflect these outcomes, from bridges falling over to lead in the pipes with nestle owning the only clean water near michigan and trump throwing paper towels like basketballs into a crowd of hurricane victims of a hurricane he lied childishly on camera to spare his own ego as if he sincerely believed he was so clever no one in the world would notice.
destiny still hasn't learned to read since talking to finkelstein otherwise he'd have learned the histroy and dispartiy of force used against palestinians. the reason biden is a poor president, by the way, being the evidence and body of knowledge clear and obvious to ever UN member on earth except Naru, Tubalu, Miconesia, Marshall Islands and USA - all of which except USA are the first countries to sink from climate change while USA leaves their oil wells orphaned to help their transnationals earn successive years of record profits. Seb forgets lockdown put oil futures at negative prices. Tankers were being rented just to store oil to clear the hump of contract expiry dates so artificially skewed were the markets in his "average", when the pandemic itself caused more harm and cost than necessary once again because of trump's idiotic ideas of it just going away or being cleaned out by injecting bleach. again, on camera, in public, he said these things as if he believed he were a genius just as any narcissist who's never read a book might. destiny also doesn't realize that seb's arguments about biden causing issues had anything to do with inheritance, or that the benefits during trump's leadership had anything to do with inheritance, meaning there's clearly no grasp of object permanance which babies tend to learn after a few month out of the womb.
we're only at minute 17 here, i'm not even close to finished yet: biden is not great for his chips act, intel hasn't innovated in a decade in their fab process because of government protecting its x86 architecture and lo and behold, Apple left intel for ARM, a UK based company owned instruction set which has been innovating with IoT and smartphone the whole time intel did nothing. nVidia uses ARM too, i shouldn't have to tell anyone how that company leap frogged intel within the span of a few years when intel had the dawn of computing as a runway ahead of them. the chips act is another corporate handout to the least capitalistic, meritocratic, the least america values there are insofar as economics and business are concerned, objectively. look at their track record, look at the power output just to keep up with AMD even though AMD has had to pay intel royalties for nothing for 30 years just to use x86 to break into the space and carve out a niche on value that overcompensated for the headstart intel had and the rent they had to pay for the rights to use basic logic circuits like copy, read and write on an integrated circuit. look at ASML and TSMC compared to texas intstruments and global foundaries, apple's failed foundry and intel's still failed foundry. look at the progress on USA chips act-inspired chips manufacturing plants-they're ahead of schedule in other countries, looking at bailing after starting in America.
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oh wait, we're still only 17 minutes into this and there's still more veriafiably objectively false perspectives being tossed around by 3 dudes more infatuated with themselves than doing anything right - Konstatin, funny man, love what you're trying to do, but if you don't understand how to make a cogent argument you really shouldn't be interjecting as if your opinion of "what others would say" has any bearing on reality. just because others are misinformed doesn't mean that they're making solid arguments. let the debater make those flawed arguments or read an essay by any independently researched study to disprove those points. for example, you were an immigrant from soviet russia, but at a time the uk had zero border policies. there's a great lecture on the subject by gresham college just this week anybody can look up for the details of this factoid. you konstantin are the benefactor of open border policies, and you have proven the case that given the chance anyone can because highly influential and publicly valuable if given the chance because of intellect and hard work, so you defeat your own argument every time you bring up the immigrant card. you are the example that proves your argument false, and that's me complimenting you and your work because i enjoy it too. your ideas of "let's just accept that reality, what would you have done if you were israel on oct 7th" that you keep repeating as if it's brilliant, but you don't realize that people suffering atrocityies are not people suffering discomfort. people have have nothing to lose are easily radicalized, and even of those the palestinians have remained extremely resilient to radicalization on the whole despite your opinions of islam because of their faith in the real islam you dismiss because ostensibly you believe you know better. we should all be shocked by how little oct 7th attacks have occurred in the past 30 years. look at the death tolls, cumulative every time period longer than 1 year. this is a pattern with israel, that's what recruits for hamas, not facebook or twitter or anything else, it's when a person's family is murdered, children jailed, and economic opportunities severed for generations that prejudice has room to take root and even then most palestinians would have been willing to accept peace and the loss of 70% of their homelands if they could believe justice would have been applied equally thereafter - but there hasn't been any evidence of that. we can't even prosecute war crimes, how could we defend their votes, or prevent displacement on spurious grounds when IDF is taken at their word and routinely forgiven for a death toll deemed incidental mounting to 10x that of israelis. you know why the population of children is so high in gaza? adults die young, and teens and kids have been dying regularly for decades without any attention paid whatsoever by comfortable wealthy people like yourself who benefitted from law and justice to get where you are.
back to the debate, clearly neither of these two people have done any reading at all, not even a week of reading one book from either side of the debate. nobody's talking about corruption as a systematic dismantling of the american system which the founders' explicitly outlined as national values, like gun regulations having nothing to do with the half-sentence read in the right to bear arms. biden talks big about it, but what's he done? trump's in favour of the death penalty and vowed revenge if elected. his lawyer confessed that trump ought to be allowed to shoot political prisoners, the same year as navalny died and trump cozied up to saudi after they brutally dismembered a prominent american journalist because they bought a lot of weapons from him, which he was so proud of he made a big sign to point at on camera. don't forget what those weapons did too, the other biggest humanitarian crises, after doing nothing about russia invading crimea either and actually defending putin's motivations saying he believed putin over his own intelligence agencies. that's not a man who loves america or american values, that's a man who loves money and corruption outright.
it's not what-about-ism, Konstantin, there are material differences in severity and degree, like when documents found in a garage are returned immediately and when they're withheld intentionaly for months and pujury, and lies, and depositions, and all kinds of additional crimes mount on top of the original offence in a ridiculous attempt at covering up what they claim is a mistake. there's no mistake with deliberate intent, that's not even close to the same thing. that's not even close to what aboutism with hunter and jared. hunter is a crackhead, biden admitted it. hunter admitted he probably wouldn't have gotten the job if biden weren't in politics, but does biden control a foreign company's board offering a job? does he control his son? not in america where adults are free and foreign entities are beyond reach by design. america would know this because that's where the majority of bahams income is sourced, offshoring american finance to avoid taxation. biden has done nothing to prevent this tax haven status for the ultra wealthy, with fixed costs that make it unfeasible for anyone but elites to benefit from, and trump ddn't even bother paying to move it off shore, he drauded educational institution status, convicted by a judge. he defrauded a charity for his own portrait, convicted by a judge. he defauded independent contractors, and the biggest scandelous bank of our era at the same time.
all three of you need a seriously sober dose of reality, this is like listening to kindergarten classes play dress up in the teachers' lounge. it's incredible to me as a canadian with nothing but lower middle class railway and trucker parents grown in public education system and worked from nothing to something by actually reading things and learning how the world works to hear 3 clowns wax all high brow about arguments that aren't even coherent when they could each be leveraging the same positions they're making but doing so with fact instead of just guessing they already know enough to formulate a story that suits their positions. What, do you think nobody knows how to read and that videos don't last in the digital space so nobody would even notice the ignorance?
good move on destiny after the finkelstein debate to step down to his own weight class, that at least shows some humility for a man who openly enjoys the challenge. but seb and konstantin, you guys whould actually know better having had the benefit of speaking to the smartest people in the world on this subject for months and still not learning seemingly anything about anything. it's incomprehensible where these three draw logic from because clearly it's not objective reality.
good point by the way destiny: president's don't control the economy in a free market. that's another one of those principles of america biden upholds that seb contradicts himself on without so much as even noticing he passed wind.
anyone watching this better not be hoping to learn anything because although there are facts portrayed, as i've outlined, they're all grossly misconstrued by incompetent elementary interpretations and oversimplifications. read a book. spend the time outside in the shade in fresh air reading a book. after the american education system has been systematically dismantled for the past 2 decades with common core and no child left behind there's clearly going to be a gap for another 5 to 10 years at least before you can expect to learn anything from strangers talking on the internet from the West unless it's Canada or scandanavian public school education or high that produced it. i'd be so embarassed for myself if i came across this uninformed in my podcasts from 4 years ago. thankfully i couldn't afford cable tv growing up so i got a library card and organized sports with my friends ourselves. clearly there's something to jonathan haidt's thesis on the lost minds of a generation of self-infatuated internet clowns lol. i'm also one of those clowns, by the way, that's not pejorative, i'm just lucky to have grown up poorer than both of you it would seem ;p
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