Comments by "Kristopher Driver" (@paxdriver) on "Jordan B Peterson"
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For a scientist Dr Peterson is not much of a data guy.. There are plenty of well considered economic and environmental studies on climate change, you just need to read them. It's the data that spell doom, climate moves slowly just like culture, but it doesn't mean acting now isn't imperative it means the effects of our hubris takes years to become apparent. And 20 years after Green Peace begging us to listen we have annual storms of the century, rising sea levels and massive droughts.
It's not fear or irrational dommsday saying, there are quantifiable data. There are oil companies who have engaged in suppressing climate studies which turned out unfavourable, then they paid out for disinformation campaigns instead.
As a market analyst I can tell you it's not a secret the affordability of climate change initiatives is achievable without any pain if all we did was shift corporate tax rates back to what they used to be when the economy was not only viable but incomes were more evenly distributed and we maintained / built national infrastructure with it.
You're the ones spazzing out about how expensive or necessary things these issues are without knowing the costs. You're the ones too lazy to do the dirty work of learning how to read stats by deltas and out sized returns of subsidized energy companies or real productivity of the highest income earners who are protected from paying proportional taxes.
You guys are catastrophizing about solutions to a fixable problem you haven't looked at. You read the analysis of someone else and assume you've understood. Just look for yourself by doing the math. How many billionaires worked at McDonald's as kids to pay their way and earn their spot? How much of their genius relies on selling data people never knew they were selling, or buying startups with their daddy money and rebranding without innovating, or extra ting from national resources without paying a tax rate the people who share that land pay on the incomes they make selling hours of their lives rather than fund raising. The money supply from mortgage accessibility helped one generation of low means become middle class by retirement at the expense of every subsequent generation. The focus on growth as a measure of economic strength ignoring demographics or need. You can see in all these data how your ideas are myopic if you just out in the effort to learn calculus, stats, economics by learning dynamics not just principles of a certain school of thought. Just watch markets and make predictions and follow through to see how and why your forecasts in the markets are right or wrong. Do that for a few years and you'll actually know what you're talking about.
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What an amazing opportunity, congrats JP on getting this interview. Can't wait to listen, this is so important.
Unfortunately this was an infomercial not an interview. No mention of violent methods, conditions in West Bank or Gaza, no utterance even if those people suffering. No mention of fraud or corruption investigations, not even a mention of subsidies while spend an hour taking credit for building. He boasts of knocking down socialism only after mowing down medium density apartments under cloak of night at gunpoint to give free farms and move in salaries to new settlers. No mention of segregation, checkpoints, his own nuclear threats (though he was clear about Iran's).
All of his arguments are worth hearing and valid to talk through but there was no discussion. Jordan just strokes him into every talking point bibi wanted to get across. This is the epitome of a sellout, and I'm really sorry Jordan stooped so low as to not even challenge the ideas or interpretations of history. What happened to thoughtful discourse? You used to be such a staunch advocate for reasonable objectivity, and jostling with tough problems. You used to steel man, and ask questions and disagree just to raise a debate for elaboration. You used to value the discourse itself to find compromise. This is straight up shilling.
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@1:03:40 ahhhh, K last one, this is so tiresome.
If you're talking about economics, try to be coherent ffs! Economics and capitalism work because synergy is assumed. Division of labour is a know productive boost. Cooperation makes us all richer than the sum of the parts. Government when its big and purchasing basic needs for all people is more efficient the bigger it is, not less. So long as process and checks are in place, economies of scale dictate that taxation to afford public benefits like basic needs and utilities is the optimum strategy.
So if you're a conservative liberal who believes in capitalism then you must, ipso facto admit that the same reasons capitalism is a good model are the same reasons a big government is an ideal model too, what you're supposed to be arguing is the implementation of regulation and guards against corruption, not the actual size of government. You should be pro regulation pro big government if you believe anything you say about capitalism.
If not, then you're redefining economics so it's no wonder the models are wrong to you, you've changed the meaning of words and found yourself surprised that things don't make sense anymore. Just look it up. Use a dictionary. Read a book. Listen to the merits of the arguments presented to you. It's complicated but not incomprehensible.
I'm seriously baffled by JBP's capacity for critical thought over the years, it's such an incredible shame what's become of him.
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This is extraordinarily dumb... 14:00
"gi-GAN-tism" isn't the issue of the educated, the enabling of disproportionate power is what people object to. It's not fitting into your narrow archetype model because educated people don't have the need of reduction to simplistic categoricals. It's not the size, it's the lobby. It's not the left/right, those are moral views, it's about who is more trustworthy: uncle Sam or father Ted. It's not political at all to not fit a categorical that's never been proven to be accurate in the first place.
Plenty of lefties like guns, plenty of right wingers don't. Both have the same reasons for liking or disliking guns. The difference is the lobby.
Left and right is a lesser evil strategy of voting, and that's not acting purely democratic its game theory. In a true democracy there would be no lobbying, no parties, and campaigns would be real debates instead of signs and commercials so people could only vote on policy. That would be democratic. No gerrymandering, no lobbying, no fundraising, no ads, no calls, no polls, no signs, no media preference, no tribes; just policy and voters. That's working democracy.
If moneys not well used by government check your tax laws. Check subsidies, check abuse of power, partisanship, and lies about economics peddled plby people who live off of the public without ever having had a job but claim to represent workers by giving tax cuts which advantage the least in need by orders of magnitude thereby amplifying the problem they were elected to fix. They not only didn't fix it like they promised, they made it worse, and that's where the data are conclusive.
Peterson hasn't read real data in like 10 years, when I first watched all of his videos and talks before the major drama and his nervous breakdown. He used to be critical thinking but now he just pushes agenda under the guise of rational thought.
He doesn't understand economics, which he admits, yet forms opinions on false economic pretenses. He doesn't understand political leaning isn't a rule of nature it's a simplification. He doesn't understand fascism, Canada is nowhere near that but he confuses it often for socialism, and socialism isn't communism which he always confuses. He doesn't grasp stats, he failed to rebutt his critics yet continues to cite the same debunked studies of rats and the extrapolation even the author he lauds rejected later in life. He doesn't consider new information, he plugs ads despite not being for want of cash yet claims to educate for principle and Christian values, the opposite of how Jesus undertook that enterprise.
Very deep thinker at one time, Jordan Peterson was held in high esteem for many years. I can't help but force these corrections at least just to point out his followers to fact check as he used to advocate regularly. Just think about what you're hearing and question the assumptions he glosses over in particular. For example, if left to right is a spectrum with no bounds how is it a binary reference with respect to Republican policy or democrat policy? Guns happen to be right wing, they are not inherently in favour of government over people as right wing and fascism at the extreme would require. Technically freedom to bear arms in theory would be left leaning by the model, which is obviously inaccurate. He doesn't even notice because he doesn't know what it means outside of social media.
Notice his old videos never mentioned politics because he didn't know much of anything about it? Since he's been attacked by the woke and revered by the modern right for lashing out at the left, suddenly he knows politics well enough to interpolate and extrapolate? Based on provably false pretenses as I've noted above, he's just profiteering at this point. While I don't doubt the intent and outrage are sincere, but the value of his contribution to discourse without the thought process requisite for it being productive is on par with any marketing material or propaganda campaign because its deliberately distorted with an agenda and intentionally ignores any rational refutation when articulated point blank.
It's tragic and shameful of JBP imho.
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