Comments by "Guillotine Enthusiast™️" (@timediverx) on "Every Religious Person is an Atheist... | Joe Rogan" video.

  1.  @BIGREDTECH  I know what I'm talking about here because I've done more than a surface reading of the Bible. If you want context for the different books in the Bible you have to understand the early history of the Hebrews/Israelites and their specific circumstances during the time of writing for each book. "Satan" was not the name of an individual in the Hebrew Bible. The Christians came up with that later. You can look it up yourself if you don't believe me of course but here's a link I dug up for you. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/who-is-satan/
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  2.  @BIGREDTECH  and if you are really interested in understanding the "context" of the various books in the Hebrew Bible I wholeheartedly recommend the Yale Hebrew Bible course taught by Christine Hayes to anyone who seriously wants to understand the Bible and it's history. It is from 2006 I believe but there haven't been any major discoveries or updates to the scholarship since then that I'm aware of at least. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi
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  3.  @BIGREDTECH  Thanks to you too for listening. Normally when I try to correct Christians about things in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament they don't even acknowledge it because they are so confident they already know everything there is to know, even though 9.5 times out of 10 they only know what their faith community or pastor or their favorite apologist told them. Also, the translation of "Lucifer" in the KJV is another problem. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer I promise I'm not trying to swamp you with links. 😄 It's just easier than having to type everything out when other people have already explained it better than I could.
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  4. He's at least part of the reason the "nones" are outgrowing the religious. So I don't see how it is sad at all. 😁
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  5. I'm 99.999% sure he is correct. A theist who believes in Yahweh or Allah can still be an atheist in regards to other gods like Zeus or Vishnu.
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  6. Buuulllllllllllshit
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  7.  @draytonholmes6319  Theism = Belief in a god or gods. A(non)theism = Lack of belief in a god or gods. It's really that simple. It is mostly dishonest Apologists who make claims about atheists being religious.
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  8. WLC is a charlatan. 😂
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  9. Quoting the Bible is not a Jedi Mind Trick.
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  10. Wrong. A person can be a theist who believes in Yahweh or Allah and still be an atheist with regards to Zeus and Vishnu.
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  11. I'm 99.999% sure he meant even theists who believe in Yahweh or Allah are still atheists with respect to Zeus and Vishnu.
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  12. There was no Lucifer/Satan in the Hebrew Bible. It was a later Christian invention. The word "Satan" simply meant adversary and it's function, like in the book of Job, was to test God's creations with his permission. It wasn't a proper name and it never meant what Christians today think it did.
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  13.  @BIGREDTECH  In Christian lore, sure. But that was a later invention of the Christians. The Hebrews did not have that concept.
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  14. Because your magic book tells you so right? 😉
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  15.  @JacobCheriathundam  What a load of crap.
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  16. He meant Muslims don't believe Jesus was god or the son of god. They just see him as another prophet.
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  17.  @danedwards1935  Do you know what being wrong and not knowing it feels like? It feels exactly like being right. 😉 Let's clear this up. Theism = Belief ina god or gods. A(non)theism = Lack of belief in a god or gods. So technically a person can be a theist who believes in Yahweh or Allah and still be an atheist in regards to Zeus or Vishnu. Hope that helps.
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  18. Hinduism is essentially polytheistic. Trinitarian Christianity as well.
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  19. How does not believing god claims make us religious?
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  20.  @righteouslydefiant5362  Theism = Belief in a god or gods. A(non)theism = Lack of belief in a god or gods. So... where are these religious set of beliefs and morals based in faith you are talking about? 😉 The apologists are lying to you.
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  21. Could be? So everyone should live their lives a certain way because you think it could be? Do you spend much time worried that the Hindus and Muslims are right? By your logic we should all be terrified of every religion's afterlife. 😉
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  22. Do you believe in Vishnu?
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  23. Eh?
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  24.  @erictheguapo  If you had to give your best guess... How much of the Bible should be taken literally and how much should be taken as myth or allegory? You can split it into percentages if you want. For example I would say maybe 10-15% is actually historical and the other 85-90% is made up in the minds of men with differing opinions, political ideologies and even conflicting theologies.
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  25. The reason there is still so much confusion here is because of some very dishonest Apologists out there. I always thought it was pretty simple. Theism = Belief in a god or gods. A(non)theism = Lack of a belief in a god or gods.
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  26. Prove it.
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  27. @АЗ ЕСМЬ recent data Eh? Care to provide some references for the rest of us to back up your claim?
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  28. No, you missed the point. A person who is a theist can believe in Yahweh or Allah and still be an atheist in regards to Zeus or Vishnu.
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  29.  @kheldaryt  Let's try this again to see if I can clear up any misunderstandings. Theism = Belief in a god or gods. A(non)theism = Lack of Belief in a god or gods. We are really just arguing semantics and we may never agree but if I ask you : "Do you believe in Vishnu?" and your answer is : "No." then for all intents and purposes you are an atheist in regards to Vishnu. If I ask you : "Do you believe in Yahweh?" and your answer is : "Yes." then you are a theist in regards to Yahweh. So technically you can be a theist in regards to one god claim and an atheist in regards to another god claim. Does that make sense?
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  30.  @kheldaryt  Ok well that clears up where you are coming from I think. I obviously did forget Joe called it a "home run" argument and I can see why you would disagree, especially if you are coming from a theistic perspective. To an atheist like myself and presumably Dawkins it just seems like common sense so we are coming at this argument from a different angle.
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  31.  @kheldaryt  The problem with theism for us is that the existence of a god seems highly improbable for the simple reason that humans have created thousands upon thousands of gods over the millennia. Usually to pretend to have an explanation for a natural occurrence. Storms, earthquakes, famine etc and human suffering in general. So without any good evidence for the existence of any of those thousands of gods we don't see any good reason to believe in any of them.
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  32.  @kheldaryt  Thanks for being generous yourself. I'm normally met with a very different attitude. 😁
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  33.  @kheldaryt  I guess I need to rewatch the clip because from your responses it seems like my argument was not the one Joe and Richard made. But yeah, this is the most intellectually honest conversation I have been able to have so far on this video. Best of luck to you man.
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  34. Can you prove it true to begin with? There's your problem.
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  35. That's exactly what the word means. 😂
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