Comments by "" (@Gez492) on "Auto Express" channel.

  1. That's the best SUV I've seen to date and with a V8! What's not to like
    39
  2. This is so much better looking than the Fiesta which has to be the ugliest small car out there. The VW isnt ugly but its boring in comparison. The A1 is an interesting car but let down by too much use of hard plastics. If the Pug is reliable they really have built a winner here
    39
  3. What a boring design and already old looking inside. Trouble is with the Bavarian Toyota is that the Toyota Toyota is a visually more exciting car, Porsche will be better dynamically and the TT is the better all around package, plus there is an RS model which is brilliant for almost the same cost as one named after a terrible road, the M40
    18
  4. what they've done to the the name and original concept is vandalization in a grand scale
    12
  5. Bora Markovic Evolution not revolution is the name of the game. look at the  3 series in the last few years. What Audi have done is sharpen the look but radically re engineer the car in terms of engines, interiors suspension and steering. To impress Auto Express it must be a pretty fine car traditionally Audi had to be better to be equal to BMW with AE Journos but now we have one who says this is probably better than the opposition and that's remarkable. Could Audi take the steering crown away from BMW for instance. The electric steering on a 4 I drove the other day was absolutely awful what ever I tried. It was slow and dull actually communicated very little.
    11
  6. Ahmed Khallad Totally agree. 1,2,3,4,5 so where's the difference. Merc C a bit of a disaster looks like its been attacked with a heat gun!
    7
  7. Shame on you AE as ever your anti Audi bias still shines so brightly! Try keeping the Mercedes from turning itself and its occupants into an unrecognizable mash of human and twisted composites trying to keep up with the RS7 point to point in all conditions. That's what you mean by playful really!! tail out skid marks everywhere including your boxers! Lets face it the only way to enjoy that sort of handling is where you don't have to worry about constantly facing the wrong way and plenty of space to avoid totalling it and the occupants. Some of the other reviews of the RS7 seem to understand 4WD handling about late breaking getting on the power really early and rocketing out of the bends, to say that that's not fun or that the only way you can enjoy a fast car is sideways is just stupid. You are sitting behind the wheel of a masterpiece of performance art with probably the finest V8 power plant ever built just compare it to what the Merc has to use in extra Cubic Inches to achieve and all you can say is it doesn't go sideways,; you don't deserve the privilege. 
    7
  8. contyoutufication Huh mid engine executive saloon??????????
    7
  9. FFS Get a life
    6
  10. M4 great car even if I'm not a BMW fan but hardly a fair comparison. The RS5 has been around for ever, that's testament to the purity of its lines that it can still compete but as far as the Engine is concerned that's even longer in the tooth. Audi didn't fit the 4.0l TFSI V8 as an upgrade because the model was at the end of its facelift schedule. Remember the new one is a few months away and probably sporting the finest V8 in production today. Remember this engine powers a luxury limousine A8 from 0 - 62mph in 3.5 seconds, just think of what it can do in the next RS5!
    5
  11. ImBarryScottCSS I'm amazed you think the R8 V10 pluls is dull on the road. I have travelled in one for a day not driven but I can tell you it was anything but dull. The driver had a grin on his face all day. this Mercedes is a blunt instrument it's basically a very expensive drift car. the Audi is a more precise car but with that all natural V10 it's glorious to listen to as well. we didn't use the B&O sound all day! Merc cannot get away with massive motors and rear wheel drive anymore the game has moved on
    5
  12. I find it amusing that all the journos and many here always bleat on that Rear wheel is superior as a drivers car, then start complaining when AWD shows where its superior. Look Merc decided that a huge lump and RWD is where they wanted to be and the car is a heavy unweildly beast that is only really good for cruising. You can't blame Audi for doing it differently and ending up with an everyday driver that can mix it with the exotica. I think car lovers or Merc lovers should at least acknowledge that Audi have produced a car inside a decade that is on par with the latest Porsche 911 GTS, a car that has taken Porsche half a century to produce. Merc are no where near producing a car this good.
    5
  13.  @kuddin9021  have you not travelled in an SQ7 it sounds wonderful and pulls your arms from its sockets so no I don't see it as a negative as it is Euro6 and therefore cleaner than a V8 petrol. Although I wouldn't have complained if Audi had slotted the RS6 TFSI V8 in one.
    5
  14. The michelins are known to suit the BMW very well and the Perelli corsa's work well on the lighter unsprung weight of the RS4 comp. So no it wouldn't make a difference. The M3 touring is not the the best mid size wagon the outgoing B9 is. It always was the better looker now its the better track and all road wagon too.
    5
  15. Yeah never really noticed but it's true.
    4
  16. viktor4o Cant wait for the RS4 YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAA
    4
  17. kursimeja lampungtabir very strongly agree with your strong agreement
    4
  18. I don't get it!  BMW and to slightly lesser extent Mercedes have been on the evolution not revolution path for years with Audi. Its a family face and formula that the buying public and fleet owners like and one that has brought German manufacturers dominance in the sector for years now. Why the hooohaa that the A4 is on slightly different on the outside. The Fact is the car is radically different in may other ways and ways that I as a potential buyer at the end of the year will look at very seriously. The B9 is early indications a vastly superior car to the B8 and will no doubt be hugely successful for Audi. 
    4
  19. Trouble with S2000 which I liked, was that you had to rev the nuts off it all the time, so a scream when your in the mood but a real pain when your not.
    4
  20. Same with the Audi, I wonder how much closer the S3 would be if it had pilot sports
    4
  21. Why Not? They are the best in the business. These are the standard fit the Lasers are the option. Have you looked at BMW or Mercedes you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between an E200d or an E63s or for that matter a 3 series from a 5 series, yet Audi get criticized nothing changes....
    4
  22. That's the dumbest thing I've read today😂😂😂
    4
  23. potatis97 Some Audis can be set up for under steer and can be a bit uninspiring to drive. You have obviously never driven an RS.  I have had the rare pleasure of driving both the C6 and C7 uninspiring was not the words that sprung to mind, more like OMFG! The C7 RS6 is a car that really handles and grip levels are almost hard to take in. There is a technique of getting the max from AWD vehicles of this nature. I began to get the hang of it although I'm no expert but it was late breaking into bends , balancing on throttle and then let loose the dogs of war early out of the corner which is way earlier than a RWD car could or even should, It is intoxicating and inspires confidence. If I drove the Merc in that way "drifting" as you put it, I would probably be deceased by now. It would have lost its rear end grip as you watched the rear of the RS6 disappearing out of the corner and up the road. You wouldn't be able to rely of the 6.2 litre to make the ground up as the RS6 V8 has a very flat torque curve that keeps it accelerating. Really and truly I the RS6 is a monstrously fast point to point all weather vehicle, and sounds amazing with exhaust valves open on full chat and the overrun  sound on down shifts is just awesome. If you look at the Auto Express "road test" test against the Latest Nissan GTR it was noticeable that the Technological wonder that is the  totally sports focussed Nissan could not shake off the RS6 which is after all a station wagon
    3
  24. Yeah I totally agree point to point in all weather the RS6 is the one I would be in.
    3
  25. Chadwick 1991 XE will date in no time interior already looks dated look at other Jags they all date very quickly
    3
  26. Colin Cas It is an interesting point that almost exclusively fast BMW's are tested against what is perceived as their direct competitors on the track. This is to accentuate the rear wheel drift that is undeniably a predominant characteristic, particularly so in the powerful M cars. This of course is relatively safe and some would say "good Fun" on a closed track but in the real world and all around driving conditions, I would argue that the propensity to "Tail Out" is very undesirable. My point is that a fast M would struggle to stay with its equal and opposite RS point to point across countries. Even the brand new and impressive M4 would struggle against the undeniably long in the tooth RS5 in a real world race. I watched a Nissan GTR one of the fastest most agile and technically capable cars available today and easily capable of bettering any M Car on or off the track, being unable to shake off an RS6 Avant in a real world varied road conditions test. It was also noticeable that the RS6 driver seemed to understand that driving a fast 4 wheel drive car requires a different discipline to what is required in a fast rear wheel drive. Using late braking, balancing the car on throttle mid corner and then using the Quattro and the V8TFSI to sling shot early out of the corner. You cannot set up the BMW in that way and getting on the power early in normal road conditions would inevitably induce either a lurid tail drift or the electronics would interfere and kill the power and the so called fun with it but somehow I think the average Joe would rather get his beloved Beemer home in one piece than have it drift into the nearest ditch or worse into he oncoming articulated 40 tonner, which of course would never appear on a track.
    3
  27. noporian Utter bollocks
    3
  28. notformebeaky w**kers dear boy w**kers
    3
  29. tanget1337 I take your point, I am not trying to "dis" the Scooby which clearly is the best iteration yet. I have never had the privilege of owning one but have driven an older version and yes they are different and interesting car. I agree that drag races are only one part of the equation; I suspect it would be close around the track and largely dependent on just how tight or comparatively flowing the circuit is. I say this because of the different way the cars produce their all important torque. The Audi brings its peak torque much earlier and this could assist a driver used to AWD performance cars i.e. carrying great speed late into tight corners, late braking and stabilizing the car mid corner before picking up the throttle early and sling shot out. I don't know which would win on which track under which conditions, my point being its just as variable an outcome as a simple drag race. I think the Subaru still has credibility with its fan base but equally Audi may have produced an understated pocket rocket that will embarrass quite a few uneducated so called performance car drivers. Clearly though, the RS3 when it arrives will not be as subtle but then it probably won't need to be. In conclusion then and as much as it grieves me to agree with Auto "Beemer" Express, I think the all around completeness of the S3 as an everyday car it pips the Scooby but I would choose the STronic having experienced how good a transmission it is. However as a rare 2non BMW fanboy" I will continue to admire the Subaru for its individuality and unique approach.
    3
  30. You my friend, are a funny guy🤣
    3
  31. Bloody awful design, pointless tech
    3
  32. Ooooooh some Bavarian saltiness detected and all with the end of life car 2 gens older than the overweight Beemer. If it had been the Audi with all the power and winning the dig, I'd wager the fanboys would have been calling for a track battle as that's what BMW do. Well, Audi, you've finally realised you can make great handling cars and proved it against the self-appointed benchmark
    3
  33. Mini number one!!!!! You are having a giraffe.....its wins hands down in the ugly ranking, I'll give you that
    3
  34. What you see makes absolutely no sense, the A6 has got better and better with each model iteration. The previous RS6 was rock solid, still looks great and has one of the best residual values of any current production performance car.
    3
  35. Constantine Joseph If you bought the Huracan, you'd be buying Audi Know How in a different jacket its choice that suits personality. The R8 V10 is good value against the poorly built California with its inferior power and drivetrain, inferior performance, hugely disappointing interior and an equally huge price premium. I don't understand your logic. In London Ferraris are not exclusive anymore. I was on one of the capitols streets a few weeks ago when an old version R8 V10+ in Black came down. It caused grid lock with people trying to get a pic or better look. That says it all really, the R8 Has earned its supercar credibility and can back it up on the road against the so called elite.
    2
  36. +Tino Schneider similar experience, the dealer had an old convertible and a new R8 plus in Yellow. I still love the old shape but the new one drew my eye more and more and more I looked the more I liked. The dealer said the same, they were worried that the essence of the old one would be lost but when they had the first one in the new they had a winner on thier hands. Sat in them both and inside there is simply no comparison, the new one builds on the strengths of the previous design and looks and feels superb. As for the guy in the review saying the Audi would not be as good a daily driver, I would take exception to that notion, spending time everyday in this R8 with adaptive suspension set to comfort gear change more relaxed but keeping that wonderful engine note would soon become a daily ritual for me. Both cars would make excellent daily drivers though.
    2
  37. How do you reach that conclusion when the two manufacturers have always been driven by completely different stylistic aesthetic and engineering outlooks. The next Gen RS5 will in all probability sport the latest 4.0l V8 TFSI Engine have an understated but purposeful skin and an interior which neither BMW or Mercedes seem able to match or better. I think the interior will probably use elements from the new TT such as the electronic dash etc. The current M4 is undeniably striking but M cars have always had the look of a body kit has been attached to them, where as the Audi designs have nearly always had an integrated flow about them. I would guess there will not be much between the new RS and the M4. I really don't understand Mercedes though, they are crass and tacky compared to the other two manufacturers offerings.
    2
  38. Surely a fairer test would be over three different tracks in wet, dry and mixed conditions. Straight line sprints expert and non expert drivers gather the data and issue an overall result. The more you watch this, the more its riddled with inconsistencies which lets face it is par for the course for auto express.
    2
  39. +peacegod101 Trouble is its more expensive than these two combined and not as good as either of them, I'd have them both and say bollux to the Kit car looks of the Mclaren
    2
  40. For me its The R8 because its different, the cars are so evenly matched in terms of performance but the Porsche dare I say it is very comon on British roads and therefore it carries a brash "banker wide boy" stereotype. Where as the Audi is more exclusive and rarer, it turns more heads and gets more admiring glances than the "so what theres another" 911. If it were the only choice then I'd be happy with a car that is so good but it isnt the only choice and in many ways it is getting left behind, stcuk with a design and layout that is flawed, sooner or later they will not be able to overcome these inherent design flaws with more an more clever technology. Yes the Audi employs a great deal of Tech but the design and mid engine layout of the drive train has so many benefits for the car evolution into the future. The Porsche will need to change its design if they are to remain at the pinnnacle, such is the competition and will that mean the classic shape will die out, in some ways it will be a shame but progress and time wait for no man.
    2
  41. Porsche always fit the the tyres that best work with their car so you can be guarantee'd that this is the best it gets. You are also  forgetting that the driver made a serious error in one track segement in the Audi that all but wiped out the R8's lead, before it regained its composure and stretched out again. Give credit where it is due, the Audi is in its second generation of development from scratch. Porsche has been honing these 911's for 60+ years! and yes they produce a great car.That this adolescent naturally aspirated super car from Audi is at least its equal is a phenomenal achievement.
    2
  42. Nice to have a choice but because the R8 offers something different and more exclusive but just as fast, practical and just as much fun, it would be my choice.
    2
  43. Oh dear...........David you are in a tiss aren't you
    2
  44. Remember talking to a fewvgerman guys last year in the car industry who were scathing about the build quality if Mercedes. Said Germans don't rate them
    2
  45. Maybe just my upbringing I guess
    2
  46. peacegod101 Strange then that the industry and customer feedback as well as motoring journos have acknowledged for the last five years or so, that Audi build the best interiors across most sectors
    2
  47. Like Mercedes and BMW, versions of the technology would have been available as a result of the high end use on A8 and to a lesser degree A6/A7/Q7. Of course there is a trickle down process accompanied by refinements in the tech and some additional features as a result of what was learned from the execution on the top of the range vehicles, Since I am purchasing in the sector at the latter in of the year, I want to know about the technology that is finding its way into the Mid range cars. As far as the shape is concerned, yes it could have been a radical statement but why would they or for that matter BMW change a successful evolutionary format. Most people like the familiar but improved appearance that both manufacturers espouse, this way the car ages well, something that the XE Jag will not do, just look at the way the X and the XF have dated! Audi have on this occasion gone for technological change i.e. Powertrain, Suspension, Interior, Driver focus. I don't think the buyer will be short changed by this car, if early indications are correct, the B9 will bring big improvements over the B8 and could well be class leading in engine performance, ride, comfort and handling. No doubt the car will be hugely successful for Audi and share dominance with BMW 3 in this compact executive sector. For me the A4 Quattro Avant TDI Ultra will be a strong contender for my money but I will be driving a few and checking residual values etc. against  the competition before making a decision. Not sure what you meant by sticking to the premium brands, Audi is a premium brand....
    2
  48. Ah David, now we get to the nub. Your comments give away your true intent here, I don't think you give a monkeys about this issue, your interest is defending the Bavarian Honour. Look, I know and appreciate that BMW make some very good cars, you don't need to be attention seeking so much. What I find irritating is that so many owners or fans are not content with that, they need to rubbish the competitors product too. Exactly what is wrong with a Skoda and have you owned one? as far as the motoring press and many, many owners they have proved to be a very attractive proposition. If its about shared platforms and parts, why is this in some way a bad thing? do you really believe that some Bavarian Artisan Engineer designs and manufacturers all the bits that go into your beloved propeller badge; I'd wager their are more parts that are common to a Skoda than you care to worry about. The fact is that these parts and component manufacturers are the experts in their fields and produce parts that BMW could not do as well or as efficiently. Getting back to the original discussion, I am not happy that VW lied about some suspicious mapping software but all manufacturers look to bend and push the rules at every opportunity, look at BMW's or any other manufacturer and try and replicate their stated power outputs and or economy figures, rarely do they ever match up in the real world. Its always happened in the motor manufacturers world. I don't like it and wish it would change but for now I will use this information to batter the dealers into submitting to better deals. As I have said I am in the market for a car in mid size exec Merc is not on my list because I just don't like their C class styling but Audi, BMW are with Jaguar and Alpha as outsiders. The whole point about the thread here is whether the A4 is the new class leader, it would seem that early indicators say yes, I will look at all aspects of the shortlisted cars capabilities, including brand image but ultimately as I suspect will be the same for most buyers in the category, this emissions issue will have very little impact on buying habits.I have owned 3 Audis  and 1 BMW both marques have their merits and issues but the recent decisions to lean towards Audi have been based on the reliability and quality of the ones I have owned, which for the most part has been exemplary. I don't spend my time in cars exploring the limits of Quattro or Rear wheel drift,  I drive everyday in everyday conditions up and down the UK, so generally good road manners, Good engines (3.0TDI is an excellent example) and well designed interiors play a larger role in my buying considerations. I don't want a manual;  I used too, but having driven a few, I prefer well sorted, intelligent Automatics particularly with powerful TDI engines, but I appreciate you do don't. Brand image is interesting depending on your perspective,  mine was further challenged by recent experience of a lease BMW that I had for a couple of weeks. It was a nice car with M sport wheels etc. What was noticeable is the lack of courtesy I received at junctions etc. where I was rarely let out and on the motorways when using the fast lanes, other drivers seemed to assume I was trying to intimidate them or wanted a race. It was very noticeable once I became aware of it. It was pointed out by a passenger originally. I don't think I would want that from my new purchase but I haven't written them off yet. I hope you continue to enjoy your Bavarian offering but you'd be missing out if you didn't open your mind to the distinct possibility that there are equally good cars out there and some may even be better.
    2
  49. derbigpr500 I have and driven quite a few a lease cars and reluctantly I agree. The quality has improved on the Beemer Materials but it still looks ordinary and on tow of the cars which were less than a year old they had a similar rattle which I couldn't trace except to say it was from either the drivers side door or panel adjoining it to the dash. Have to say very disappointing and the steering not as direct and connected as they used to be either.
    2
  50. Jordan Hilman Not the same thing you have to get above a certain rev range to make the Honda VVT Sing and then keep it screaming
    2
  51. g=get+a=a+l=life.......ahem
    2
  52. I've not driven the RS5 but I have driven the RS6 Avant believe me Boring is not a word that would be used any where near this car! Its brutal and point to point across countries in any conditions, I seriously doubt any BMW would stay with it. The next gen RS5 is due in a few months, I hope it gets the 4.0L V8 TFSI shared with the S8 and RS6 its quite simply the best road car engine I have ever experienced and I have driven a few V8's and Turbo 4's and 6's. Test Drive an RS6 and I challenge you to use boring as a description. Look BMW make some fine cars and that can be said of Audi too they just use a different philosophy. I feel fast driveability in the real world in all conditions is achievable in a RS without the anal twitching that happens every time you go sideways in the Beemer.
    2
  53. S3 Manual 0-62 = 5.3s; S3 S Tronic 0-62 = 4.9s Official Audi Figures. Subaru WRX STI 0-60 = 5.2s Official Subaru figure. Is the Subaru figure a 0-60 or 0 -62?? It does look as if Scooby is resting on its laurels. Yes it may be possible to shave a bit off the Scooby's 0-62 time with expert use of the conditions and manual gearbox but the same could be said of the Manual S3. I have driven the S Tronic in another Audi and it is an utterly brilliant transmission and can be as enjoyable as a manual as demonstrated by its ability to trounce the manual S3. I would pick S Tronic because it gives the best of both worlds especially when you select eyeballs out mode, the shifts are awesome and the downshift blip is intoxicating. If you want to make rapid progress in utter comfort the Auto mode seems to know what you want and it is never caught short of the right ratio. It is no disgrace that the Scooby can't cut the mustard against this new S3. This is a very very accomplished real world performance car that will no doubt show up some even more expensive rivals. It is however in keeping with Auto Express that they didn't want to expose their so obvious BMW bias by pitting one of their Bavarian pets against this S3. Instead they sacrificed a Scooby to save their blushes. Roll out the RS3! on the strength of this it will be formidable. 
    2
  54. Actually the last RS4 was better than its equivalent M3 by most reviews
    2
  55. another predictable review from BMW Express
    2
  56. +Bartie96 "the e63 s model and cls 63 s model have been tested to go 0-60 in 3.2 seconds both engines pushing up to 680 horsepower, it will demolish any other german ccompetition other than a 911 turbo/turbo s" Trouble with the Brutal Merc's is that they have huge engines rear wheel drive and little or no sophistication. This makes for great drifting cars but in the real world as all conditions point to point high performance cars, they are nothing short of flying hearses and will more likely kill you as the rear end slide turns your initial grin to a look of sheer terror! The RS6  puts its power down in so much more effectively and is just a more intelligent approach.
    2
  57. upload9595 Yeah saw this test. Ironic that the magazine always blags on about FWD being inferior to the tail happy RWD cars and on this circuit the FWD came out miles ahead. Agreed the test was unscientific and for the most part not very well driven, also no mention that you can dial out most on track under steer in RS3 via the drive select settings. Also I think in fairness to the Beemer you need at least 3 different circuits and some road tests to decide which is the quickest everyday road car because at the end of the day that is where most people will be exploiting these scream machines. I would wager that in all roads all conditions it will be the RS3 that wins oh yes forgot to mention that they neglected to exploit the launch control on the RS3 which is blisteringly quick.
    2
  58. Haha yes I see!  If I do get the A7 and I'm ever in the position to get the back end heading around to meet me, I won't have a clue what to do other than pray! I'm not against RWD per  se but I do get a bit irritated by bandwagon jumpers who say its the only way to drive fast or to have fun. I picked up my last new car from the factory in Germany and drove it home via Cuxhaven and ferry to Harwich. The German guy who accompanied me to the port described the way to get the best out of a Quattro Performance Audi he said many people try to drive them the same as RWD but they end up in terminal understeer and then blame the car, he said its a different method and no less fun when you master it especially when have as he put it "so much power to catapult you out ze corner early". I didn't really get what he meant until I had an opportunity to front passenger in a 2014 RS6 with an owner who had been on an Audi performance driving course, (I think it was part of the buying package) but anyone who could say it was dull or unexciting would have to be dead from the neck up!  He said he could induce 4 wheel drift a bit like Tiff managed on the R8. I declined the opportunity to test his assertion as I only had one pair of boxers with me, if you know what I mean! I share your frustration at some of the idiots depositing their XBOX experiences here as informed comment, its a shame because real Car enthusiasts in my experience discuss, debate and learn from one another, they don't abuse.
    2
  59. Komor Uddin maybe a bit strong but it could easily kill you on a British road in all weather conditions.
    2
  60. Hasan Al-habbobi it doesn't though. the Audi is alot quicker on the track because it can put its power down and carry much more speed through corners. it's on par with the Porsche 911 GTS which crushes the Merc on track.
    2
  61. It doesn't prove anything other than on a given day with a given driver on a given track blah blah blah..... It is strange though when a RWD car ala BMW beats a FWD at anything, the journos and enthusiasts wax lyrical about the superiority of not driving the wheels you steer, yet when the Honda beats the BMW its because its FWD, just makes me chuckle a little. Will say though, I have never and will never trust anything that Auto Depressed produces, they are riddled with vested interests, have poor drivers and continually allow the bias to get in the way of balanced arguments.
    2
  62. Looks old before it hits the street and the interior looks and sounds cheap
    2
  63. Heath Fournier Nice to see a little sanity in the debate, I cannot get my head around why people cants share opinion without losing their minds. The Benz is abeast but it is also a dinosour, the game has moved on.
    2
  64. but it isn't! Audi Claim 3.9 0-62. Under favourable conditions with a good launch it should be possible to better the factory figures, give this family estate some credit...........
    2
  65. Looks ok outside but good god Jaguar hasn't a clue how to build great interiors. its dull 90's japan interior cannot compete with the virtual cockpit inspired superb cabin in the Q3 let alone the panache of the Peugeot or even the eccentricity of the Mercedes.
    2
  66. Geeez one of the ugliest things I've seen. Sangyong with the most ugly nose imaginable. Predictably of course Auto Depressed will fawn over it, its a BMW for gods sake we have to love it because it handles like a Porsche..... Not
    2
  67. So that's where the Merc CLS got the design
    2
  68. Ooooooh someone is salty and all with the end of life car 2 gens older than the overweight Beemer. If it had been the Audi with all the power and winning the dig, I'd wager this fanboy would have been calling for a track battle as that's what BMW do. Well, Audi, you've finally realised you can make great handling cars and proved it against the self-appointed benchmark
    2
  69. Yawn.............zzzzzzzzzz
    2
  70. Wow they actually managed to make the mini even uglier😂
    2
  71. Confirmed it is going to be available in the states
    2
  72. Umar Khan please remember the Nissan and Ferrari are designed for one thing, the RS6 is after all a station wagon for goodness sake. The autoexpress tested the GtR agaibtscthe RS6 and yes it was a faster but not by as much as it should have been given its focus and on the twisty leaf littered normal roads in the A-B sprint the Gtr couldn't shake the RS6 of its tail. I know you love you mercs but get a grip man
    1
  73. getting A4 3.0TDI soon but I'd love to be able to have a proper RS.
    1
  74. Just seen this and was hoping for a unbiased appraisal but should have known better, expecting journalistic integrity from autoexpress. Consistent as usual though, populated by Bavarian psycophants. This guy just set out to rubbish the Audi. These Cars are designed to get you point to point very rapidly in all conditions. What they should have done is see if the Beemer could have kept up with the RS on those roads. I doubt that the Beemer would have stayed in touch and I suggest that the reviewer may not have enjoyed the "fun driving experience" so much! If going sideways at every bend, camber or corner, drawing lottery numbers to avoid trees, ditches and more importantly oncoming 40 tonners represents the epitomy of driving dynamics, then we have come no further than beam axle American muscle car.Come on AE get some balance. Also the exterior and interior comparisons are ridiculous, the consensus out there generally accepts Audi interiors represent the state of the art in materials, design, fit and finish. Both Cars are distinctive to look at although the sloping back of the RS is more interesting and edgy. The Beemer's look has been around for ages although it still is one of the more interesting BM's to look at. Both Cars represent the very best of European tech out there and deserved a more intelligent appraisal, just a shame AE again sunk back into Beemer comfort mode and missed another opportunity to give people like me who can only aspire to own such vehicles, a true, rich competent account of the privilage of driving such brilliant Cars.
    1
  75. My guess is you wouldn't have said anything if the C63 saloon had won
    1
  76. Jose Lopez Trouble is that even if it is better, the BMW RWD sycophants will find some way of leaning towards the Bavarian dog. I suspect the new A4 will have to be twice as good to be equal in many journos eyes
    1
  77. If you listen to the Merc lovers, they all said the E63 would beat the RS6, I believe the S8 would smoke the Merc too! You cant have it all  ways. Lets face it They take different approaches the Merc with 6.2litres and tyre smoke and the Audi with a supreme piece of automotive magic that is the Twin Turbo 4.2L TFSI engine and a powertrain that has become the bench mark for utilizing torque. The Merc really is a relic and this is where I agree with you, it was never going to be close! 
    1
  78. What's amazing about this video is how weak the take offs were didn't seem like a race at all.
    1
  79. why not race them after all the merc has a hugely bigger engine but the Audi has the tech
    1
  80. Umar Khan if your logic was followed you would just race E63 against E63 and RS6 v RS6 etc etc etc.....
    1
  81. Umar Khan why so what I saw a road and performance test of an RS6 v Nissan GTR so what. I saw a S8 v Panamera so what. Don't get so exercised they are all performance cars. you don't have to be pinned into pigeon holes. if the car gets smoked it shows the differences. if the car performs unexpectedly well like in an apparent mismatch well that's interesting to. you need to chill my friend. I know you like your Merc's but just because it loses a drag race it's not the end of the world. I like fast Audits but I'm realistic enough to understand they can't win them all either. I don't respect and like the marque any less. it's all just interesting and different comparisons.
    1
  82. Umar Khan why so what I saw a road and performance test of an RS6 v Nissan GTR so what. I saw a S8 v Panamera so what. Don't get so exercised they are all performance cars. you don't have to be pinned into pigeon holes. if the car gets smoked it shows the differences. if the car performs unexpectedly well like in an apparent mismatch well that's interesting to. you need to chill my friend. I know you like your Merc's but just because it loses a drag race it's not the end of the world. I like fast Audits but I'm realistic enough to understand they can't win them all either. I don't respect and like the marque any less. it's all just interesting and different comparisons.
    1
  83. +Jamie Wilson took them that long to figure out how to get a decent exhaust sound. Record the RS6 and hey pipe that engine note through the stereo mein herr. Bavarian bullshite
    1
  84. sceland1 I hope so but even recent ones are dogged by reliability issues, high initial cost and piss poor residuals
    1
  85. Robert Klier 1,2,3,4 take your pick they all look the same but I don't see anyone complaining just maybe BMW psyche kicking in......the kings new clothes etc
    1
  86. Having driven one now, been close up and personal and scrutinized the lines, put them side by side and you see the styling differences immediately, the one I tried had Matrix lighting which adds something to the front end stance the car looks longer and wider. definitely a family resemblence but different with its own character. a bit like my kids really, they look like me but have thier own traits and identity and are verry individual on the inside. Is this such a bad thing. The interior of the SLine TDI  I got to drive is a masterpiece and crushes the nearest precieveable competitor which is probably the Merc; which is a mess in comparison. With the full electronic dash and  ambient light pack combined with the leather SLine embossed seating it is truly in a different league and makes the Jag XE look like some dated and old already. My only criticism is Audi missed a trick in not retaining the disappearing infotainment screen. It would have given another dimension to the already clean lines to be able to put it away when not in use. I guess many people "Reps" included will love it on and visible all the time but I like the choice of even more subtelty. The 3.0 lower powered TDI with Auto that I tried is a match made in heaven, power delivery is immdeiate and punchy enough to bring a smile to your chops and is so smooth you'd be fooled into beliieving this was a larger petrol engine, the only clue being cold start and standing right by the bonnet " Hood to my US friends" This car is so eerily quiet and is making a compelling arguement to me having driven a new 320d as a reference point. The Audi takes refinement, fit and finish to a bar that BMW are going to find difficult to reach at this price point. Yes you may argue that the BMW is better sorted for fun on the track but I would argue this car is leaps and bounds better on the road as a complete package it commanded my respect. Didnt like the B&O stereo in my opinion it shouts too much and will be diffcult to enjoy on longer journeys so savings to be made there me thinks. All in all its now at the top of my shopping list for a decision by the end of Feb. Didnt get to drive the Avant but it looked nice in Red but wouldnt want that colour. 
    1
  87. ***** Yes, haven't compared specs but it certainly looked that way.
    1
  88. Pretty much my friend. The new A4 in the flesh is a very compelling package.
    1
  89. Jimmy M better than 3 guys talking about money shots
    1
  90. F1 was the bomb but day to day fun work or leisure I'd take the R8 plus
    1
  91. Probably the best car to come out of the US for half a century but I would never choose one above the R8 Plus or 911 Turbo. its just too much, too in yer face and the interior is pants!
    1
  92. Yes the Corvette! I love old American Cars but the plastic fantastic of the new ones and the ropey build quality and obvious design of US cars relative to European Cars puts me off.
    1
  93. It just doesn't appeal to my European tastes. I accept its fast etc. Just my opinion its trying too hard, maybe it will become an American classic muscle car but I seriously doubt it could command the same status as say a 67 L88 or a 63 split rear window. It just tries too hard to be well...Hard!
    1
  94. Yeah preference is a weird thing to pin down but I'm open minded and I will study the latest C7 closely perhaps even get a look at one in the flesh. Its hypothetical, as these cars are out of my price range, I'm looking for something in the compact exec market so choices are BMW 3; New Audi A4; Jaguar XE; and the outsider is the Alpha Romeo Guilia. so in other words who am I to judge! we can dream though and if someone handed me the Keys to a C7 do you think I wouldn't bite their hand off?
    1
  95. there is no doubting the looks are dramatic and you can see why it will appeal in the US market as they seek to make cars that look half decent as well as built not to fall apart in a year or two. But and its a big but! This car maybe earth shatteringly loud and its relatively unsophisticated American motor propels it in a straight line pretty damn quickly, it will look ridiculous in a 3 way track battle with an R8 Plus and Porsche 911 Turbo S. It may have all the bolt on extras that it can use in the top trump competition (I use that word advisedly but there is a metaphor in there) such as ceramic this and carbon fibre composite that but it is essentially a poor facsimile of what a European or even a Japanese supercar offers. No doubt it will sell well in the US of A with its arrow straight, flat interstate highways but point to point on the roads and motorways of Britain and Europe and on track days it would get eaten alive east over the pond and essentially will be viewed as a curiosity rather than a rival. Sorry to be brutal but in this race Americana is second rate.
    1
  96. Is it me or are we forgetting that the Audi was judged the better car. Porsche have had 40-50 years to get this car right and along comes only the second generation R8 and it takes its crown, that in itself is a brilliant achievement to the guys at Audi. They also saved an Iconic brand as Lambo would have gone to the wall had it not been turned around by Audi technology.
    1
  97. Sorry I simply don't understand your point. I very recently visited an Audi Dealer show room because I am looking at buying mid sized exec saloon or Avant possibly the new A4 or 3 series, any way they had the new R8 in the show room right next to the previous model although this was a convertible. The differences between old and new are extensive and substantial to all aspects of the car. All the journo's have been saying the old R8 was starting to show its age, although it was a masterpiece of its time, the new one eclipses it in all ways. Lets face it, Audi couldn't please all of the people all of the time with this new R8 but I can tell you straight up, seeing one in the flesh and sitting in it, blew me away. It looked more purposeful and menacing but at the same time had an approachable character that made you want to look at it from every angle and what was apparent from first contact with the car, is how well screwed together it is, looking under the engine cover and closely at the interior and panel fit and finish, it really is beautifully put toegther. The brief for Audi for the new R8 was that the car needed to be sufficiently different from the outgoing model but at the same time build on its heritage. For me it has achieved this in spades and more importantly, every test review I have read say the same thing, it is a car with stunning performance which is accessible to the everyday driver but also challlenges the experts on both road and track and represents a signifcant performance evolution over the old car. I get it if you don't like Audi's but really this car cannot be denied that it is up there with the very best hyper performance cars of its generation. Also less importantly but worth mentioning is that its comparatively brilliant value for money.
    1
  98. notformebeaky Aren't Top Gear presenters Palm experts though?
    1
  99. Mercedes W205  no offence intended if you are Merc fan, they have improved the messy button happy appearance in recent times but Merc especially the new C is very showy and form over function for me but hey each to his own or things would be very boring
    1
  100. vpkeremedchiev it's all about traction. You can have 1000hp but it's of little use if all you do is light up the rear wheels ala merc or Beemer. Audi is also well known for understating the power output, see the Dyno test on the S8!! The clue is its the same power unit. If it can pull the A8 to 62 in 3.5 seconds, it is more than capable of going sub 3.5 in the smaller lighter A6 avant. Also bear in mind the Lamborghini is engineered by Audi...
    1
  101. Pedro Capllonch ditto
    1
  102. David FFS
    1
  103. FFS David they got caught, are you naive enough to think that other manufacturers including BMW MERC, haven't done similar things yet to be detected. So the software fools the yank test, it makes no difference to UK performance or test adherence. It won't put me off including Audi on my shopping list for a mid size exec later this year.
    1
  104. ***** I had one and they don't have issues it works very well and the sound will very much depend on the quality of your Mp3 or I Phone tracks. I use Flac and some mp3 but always encoded to 320kps
    1
  105. antara Don't think the UR 80 Quattro was ever behind the Bavarians it was innovative, good looking handled and performed brilliantly and hey look at the residuals couldn't buy a decent one now for 20K
    1
  106. Well said
    1
  107. The track is one thing but on real roads A-B in all weathers there is no way the M4 or probably any M Car will stay with say the likes of an RS6 Avant. You cannot go sideways on A roads as far I remember? Even if it were allowed its not the quickest way to your destination but it certainly is the quickest route to a premature death. Great drifter the M4 but only fast in the real world when its bone dry and that's a rarity in Britain.
    1
  108. Middleastbeast The other way around I think. Lets face it, Lamborghini as a brand would have long since been consigned to history had it not been for the VAG group and Audi's engineering intervention. AS a result Lambo's now generally go as well as they look, they are generally reliable and have better fit and finish; thanks to Audi. If someone wants to pay the huge price hike for a different suit then that's their choice, I like what the R8 offers me, a daily driver that can better most any other supercar.
    1
  109. How's that then?.......discuss
    1
  110. please enlighten us Auto Express say not and its simply stock so please tell us
    1
  111. He got caught off the line still talking the guy in the porsche had much better reaction times, felt he was trying his hardest to justify the Porsche's existence, off boost refinement!! what is he on if you put the Audi into comfort mode it will drive like just fine but you stll have that glorious engine burble to enjoy. I think the Audi has taken its crown and where's it well. A faster 911 turbo will just make it struggle more for grip. watch the EVO match up, had it not been for a driver error the R8 would have been 7tenths of a second faster than the porsche on the track.
    1
  112. I really don't understand why people are getting so exercised that the A4 is not somehow radically altered for this iteration. Unless a manufacturer is entering the sector never before having been represented, it is rare that a completely different design replaces an outgoing model. Look at BMW's example 3 series; how many "new 3's have we had over last few years, the more they changed the more they remained the same. I have come to accept the design but take away the kidney grill and would you easily recognize it. Even with the Grill would you distinguish it from a 5, 4 or even a 2 very easily? Why such an outcry over the A4? No such problem for the Mercedes, having redesigned the C but they absolutely needed to! it was way behind the 8 ball in its design but have they gambled too much, as the C is like marmite; for me it's a messy design which rather drapes itself over its chassis and finished with a heat gun. Yes Audi is evolving the A4 but under the subtly altered exterior, much appears to have changed; whole new interior, new platform, engines and suspension and with it a whole new driving experience, if early indications are justified. I think the design while not as radical as the new entrants to the sector like Jaguar XE and Alfa Romeo Giulia, it is a design that stands the test of time which I don't believe the Jaguar or Alpha will. I am buying in this sector soon and will wait to see the A4 in the flesh as well as drive a few. I will also consider the Jag and the Alfa but I am not impressed by the Jag interior, if I'm honest, it just looks dated already. As for driving I really don't get any kicks from hanging on to rear wheel drift on public roads and I don't buy a car for the track. I want something that has an air of quality, has a well equipped and modern interior that makes me feel good when I spend time in it, whether that is to and from work or shopping or rugby with the Kids. I want a car that in everyday conditions drives and performs well and having a responsive, powerful yet smooth and economical engine. On the face of it the new A4 in the Avant Quattro TDI Ultra S Tronic variant will be a strong contender.
    1
  113. +Andrei Arama The fact is Lambo wouldnt exist now if it hadnt been for Audi. They made the brand drivable and reliable, poular opinion says that the R8 is a better car than the Huracan and so much cheaper Lets not forget the review concluded that the R8 was the better car.
    1
  114. You pays your money you takes your choice. I have no issues with that but it the lambo uses the VAG platform not the other way around
    1
  115. I don't doubt that the Honda is a capable machine. I just don't think the test was on its own a fair appraisal of each cars capability. For instance this circuit was chosen specifically because Honda needs to be in its most effective rev range and this track allows for this. Another track may not and the outcome may favour BMW or Audi. When I test drive the latest Honda, I found it rather dull until you piled on the rpm and for me I prefer torque more evenly spread across the performance range so the choice would be between the BMW and Audi. Add to that I find the Honda's exterior styling garish and interior messy with alot of poor quality plastics. That it won on this track in these conditions with this driver does not imo make it the superior vehicle. There are so many other considerations that haven't been addressed in this test.
    1
  116. Let's not forget the real loser here is the BMW which for all its balance and RWD got smoked by a Honda. All I can say is that not all circuits are the same, There are very twisty short straights here but on other circuits where there are longer straights and sweeping curves the Audi would probably smoke them both but lets remember BMW emphasise the track abilities of their cars, Audi don't build and market cars for race tracks with the exception of DTM and Prototype/ Le Mans Sports Car (which incidentally they win much more than they lose) Audi build cars for everyday roads populated by other cars and nice big articulated trucks etc. So I don't care how much of car enthusiast you are, why would you want cars that want to swing their tails out into the path of such vehicles the moment you give it hammer time.. Quattro Audi's do under steer at the extremes of grip but by the time they reach that point, rear wheel drive cars would have been drifting into on coming traffic. To say that you cannot enjoy Audi Quattro is just ridiculous Journo snobbery. The RS6 I had the privilege of driving was brutally fast but composed and once I had mastered the late braking before cornering and early on the power out, it was absolutely thrilling. I have driven an M3 a few years ago now, I remember it was exciting but I was always aware of its tendency to want to put its rear end along side you. Both cars were thrilling but in different ways. If I'd bought a vehicle for the track, maybe drifting would be fun but I would take the RS every time for all weather, all road mile munching it was exhilarating and re assuring in equal measure. 
    1
  117. Can't understand why these discussion always seem to degenerate into mud slinging. Just wanted to talk and discuss with like minded car lovers here. Yes I may have my own views but I hold and express them whilst not always with others, always respecting their right to express their own views. Its a depressing don't you think
    1
  118. ***** Well maybe on a track where you can get away with the consequences of not catching the tail but the point is these cars are road cars and its the enjoyment of them in these everyday all weather all road conditions that influence my buying habits. Its why I am looking for a A7 BiTurbo Quattro S Tronic Audi. I was looking at the new A4 just in case it offers something extra ordinary to draw me into the sector but the A7 is my preference having test driven it and a few very capable vehicles including a BMW 5. What I found was the A7 had the ability to put its power down more effectively and way before the point at which terminal understeer would occur and way beyond the point that would be seen as dangerous driving on UK highways.Recognising your racing background and knowledge sir; I also like the thrill that the open road and a capable powerful car can give even as a mere amateur car and driving enthusiast but I recognise that I am really just an ordinary bloke with a family and a dog, therefore my choice is a balance of many influences. I do understand the oversteer/understeer having had a few extraordinary track days in powerful sports cars in my recent past but I don't have the means to keep another vehicle for the track; if I did it would be something truly focussed like a Caterham 420 R or an Aerial Atom. It wouldn't be my hopefully future stylish and accomplished A7, although I suspect with 333 horses and all that useable torque, staying with me on the open road would need something pretty damn good. Nice to talk though...
    1
  119. Stealth Sportback Refreshing to hear someone say it as the journos seem stuck in "emperor's new clothes syndrome" being unwilling or unable to be the first to say. "you know what, this isn't all that". In recent months I have driven two 3 series lease cars and I really must say I agree with you, some of the plastics were poor, the cabins were uninspiring;  it handled ok but no different from most any modern saloon. The second one, a 320d was quite numb in the steering feel, not sure if this is the electro mechanical system finding its way into most BMW's now but it neither cars made me feel special. I test drove an A7 BiTurbo most recently and it made me want to buy one!
    1
  120. Amidat I understand your rationale but the 4.0L TFSI V8 in the S8 and RS6 is their most light weight, most efficient, most recent and far away the best V8 Audi have produced, many journo's have commented could this be the best V8 engine ever made, I wouldn't argue on my experience its fantastic! Maybe you will be right and they will go for a Blown 6 or even 4 pot but I hope the V8 option is there too. They may surprise us and go for a stunning new engine that was recently run in a current RS5 body(the new RS5 is reputed to be at least 12% lighter and stiffer) the engine is the V6TDI e-boost V6, 2967cc, twin turbocharged with electric booster; Power 380bhp at 4200rpm; Torque 553lb ft at 1250-2000rpm; Gearbox 8-spd torque converter automatic it returned 0-62mph in under 4secs. Its Top Speed was limited to 174mph! We have all of this too look forward to mmmmmm!
    1
  121. Maybe in drifting competition but point to point all weathers in the real world, there would only be one winner. Probably resulting in a fatality as the rear wheel drive does its best to fling the driver closer to his or her maker trying to stay with the RS6
    1
  122. what is noticeable is that theC63 gets off the line before the RS6 and doesn't spin its rear wheels but the fact that the Audi is over 3 seconds faster is amazing for a an estate.
    1
  123. As always, auto express or should we say Mercedes express find a way of dissing the Audi. Oh I know we'll keep going until we get a time that shades the Audi then we can say the taxi is better. Also must have killed you guys waiting all this time for a new model to take on car that's been around 4 years or more now in this model. Inevitable and total bias as usual.
    1
  124. PS3Cooooooool Its the purple thingy at then of his Willy
    1
  125. Can Tavukçuoğlu  In some ways I agree, it is of course testament to the integrity of the original design that people still see it as contemporary and fresh. I do like the new design although it does take time to bed in to ones consciousness. I suspect it will with you too. I would be happy and proud to own either of the iterations. What a car though! Just about perfect.
    1
  126. trefod Probably due to the torque curve 560Nm available from 1950rpm with no drop off until 5600rpm. That translates to sustained, unrelenting acceleration. I have travelled in an RS6 in the last couple of weeks as a passenger but regrettably the owner was too responsible to unleash it all, however he did set it up so that the exhaust valves were doing their thing; the sound was epic especially on the down paddle shifts where it gives a little throttle blip before the electronic change down. I felt its power delivery a little on the rare occasion we had some open road and a couple of lorries to pass 50 to ahem 90+ in what seemed like no seconds It was intoxicating for me as a passenger, I must imagine it could easily take you over and turn you into a speed junky if you were susceptible. That its all wrapped up in a very cosseting cloak makes this a Q car you don't mess with.
    1
  127. SIMcityplayer2002 omg just loved the c6 it would be close there is no doubt about it. My money is still on the C7 as it simply flies the 0-62 over a second quicker than C6 and would maybe have too much of a lead for the mighty C6 to make up. If someone wanted to give a C6 though, I'd be blown away.😎😋😋😎
    1
  128. They build cars for the road and understeer only in the extremes look at the reviews on the road and it is a great car and having driven one for 220 miles in some pretty variable conditions on the A470 through from Newtown powys to Merthyr Tydfil, I can testify to to it bring a pleasure to drive. I think I'd want to kill myself in the fidgety Type R with that drone of the exhaust in your ear constantly and looking like as weird as it does. Just an alternative look at things. Track focused cars are usually not very good on the road. If I wanted a track car I'd get a second hand csteram which would destroy the civic on any track.
    1
  129.  @X-HorrorStories  that you don't know is confirmation and endearing
    1
  130.  @bassicuk1986  I had a B7 RS4 that would thunder up to 8000 and believe me that is one of the most seductive sounds in motoring but it would still move you obscenely quickly through continents in a torque filled burble. The S2000 is fun but not in London traffic etc. Its still a great car though!
    1
  131. Still take the Audi because in the road it will be quicker and more comfortable and it doesn't look like it was designed by kindergarten kids on speed.
    1
  132. Yaaaawwwnnnnn, another "emperors new clothes" reviewer... Same as it ever was. Strange they see evolution as a negative when other manufacturers do it but another Russian doll 911 hey its suddenly brilliant.
    1
  133. Why didn't you track the two cars, I'd bet because the RS3 is quicker by a pretty clear margin round say Anglesey. On a hilltop B Road you simply cannot unleash the performance of either. Your logic doesn't makes sense either. If you love the previous RS3 and described it as a bit wooden why are you trying to fault the new one which when I drove one between port madoc and Brecon and found it very engaging. Indeed once you get used to the way the torque splitter feels in action, it becomes quite a neutral road muncher in any conditions with no discernable understeer. Keeping that 5 pot where it wants to be on Welsh A and B roads was lovely. The RS3 has more than one trick up its sleeve compared with the A45s and its has the top Trumps as the faster car. Finally if you have this sort if money to soend on a Hyper Hatch, you just wouldn't care about the Hot Hatches so it makes no sense. Yes the Hot Hatch could keep up with the Hyper Hatch at 5 or 6 tenths eyeballs out but no way would they when either of these gets angry, the Honda would understeer everywhere because its being pushed over its limits to even keep the tail lights of the Merc or Audi in view and they'd be both doing what I'd do, not wanting to see that ugly strange Civic in the rear view mirror longer than was necessary to justify why you spent the extra money!
    1
  134. I find it amusing that the Bavarian centric journalists are now scrabbling (or not if the AWD is engaged) for ways to justify and excuse the 4WD as necessary to exploit the performance as the 2WD option is really only for wrecking tyres on track days and also the electric steering feel as lacking feel but its ok because its direct!! Its also amusing now that a proper virtue of the M5 in 4WD is you can get on the power earlier out of a corner.......What? This has been a feature of RS Audis for years! So finally BMW and their sycophantic Journos are admitting, the fastest way point to point in all conditions is to stop trying to beat Quattro but Join Quattro....I can see Audi Sport smiling without smugness at this Bavarian Sop.
    1
  135. Oh Your Big.......really. Don't as a general rule respond to " contributors" who begin their response by throwing either an insult or a gross assumption at an opinion but anyhow you still managed to  the point entirely.
    1
  136. Steve if you don't know why you would use AWD on the roads you need to try it and it will remind you as either will spit you into a ditch or worse embed you into the front of an oncoming 40 tonner.. Its not the AWD that's superfluous its the ridiculous drift modes. If I want a track car there are many that are better faster and cheaper. Road cars like these make so much power and torque that both companies realise they cannot exploit it without AWD. Don't get me started on what they would be like in the wet on RWD only.
    1
  137. Look when are you journos going to get the fact that the manufacturers are not allowed to produce extra days just for you. Stop making this an issue its the world we live in and nothing to do with the Car.
    1
  138. Same lap as against the Hot Hatches lame
    1
  139. I have to say it is conservative with a big C. The 5 is probably BMW's best looking vehicle but for 92k + extras for an M5 that looks no mote dramatic than a sport version is very disappointing. So when the magical xdrive goes into two wheel drive a bit like a Landdrover the other axle carries the penalty of unsprung weight whilst doing nothing mmmmm purists nightmare in the making?
    1
  140. Come on, the disengage thing is just a gimmick and make both those cars undrivable on the road, its simply a drift mode! I am disappointed with BMW because they understand unnneccessary unsprung weight, so when it is diengaged all the mechanicals are still in place or do they just magivally dematerialize.
    1
  141.  @philNullFunf  Bavaria is usually associated with the Bayerische Motoren Werke or Bavarian Motor Works (aka) BMW. If we are going to "nit" pick, allow me to inform you that RS4 is built in Nekersulm Baden-Württemberg which is not Bavaria. I went to the plant for a tour once when collecting one of the first B7 3.0 Sport A4 Cabriolet models for the UK, before getting the ferry from the nearest port Cuxhaven again not in Bavaria but beautiful Lower Saxony to Harwich in England, memorable trip and a great car, I kept it for more than a decade.
    1
  142.  @turbo.manual  Bavaria is usually associated with the Bayerische Motoren Werke or Bavarian Motor Works (aka) BMW. If we are going to "nit" pick, allow me to inform you that RS4 is built in Nekersulm Baden-Württemberg which is not Bavaria. I went to the plant for a tour once when collecting one of the first B7 3.0 Sport A4 Cabriolet models for the UK, before getting the ferry from the nearest port Cuxhaven again not in Bavaria but beautiful Lower Saxony to Harwich in England, memorable trip and a great car, I kept it for more than a decade.
    1
  143. @PilotSuperSport  I like the way you twist the narrative to suit your preference, this is a very difficult handling track, with lots of changes in direction, and it showed up the weight transfer issues with the BMW. something hitherto the Beemer fan boys would have been throwing at the Audi. So now you only want it to race on circuits with not too many corners or a dig because it has a bigger motor with more torque and much more power, lunatic indeed 🙄
    1
  144. Horrendously ugly wide mouth frog
    1
  145. Obviously capable car but pig ugly
    1
  146. Something smells about this shoot out. Disguised with ridiculous sound effects and camera cuts
    1
  147.  @snffz3492  Not the touring, it was the saloon
    1
  148. The beemer is very heavy and that would not work well with the Corsa's which is why they work so well with the RS3 too
    1
  149. Sorry but lego does it with more style! You say its all sbout the numbers, correct thats it oeriod ince it does its party tricks , it goes back to being a fast milk cart no soull no heart bland bland bland. Lets not kid ourselves that it is in any way environmentally sound .
    1
  150. All cars with electric steering will have no feel and thats the way its been since they including BMW have been using it. The Journo's have this placebo effect they are working through at the moment. It is physically impossible to have "feel" from a system that isn't a mechanical one.
    1
  151. 2 tenths on a short lap is quite a margin
    1
  152. Well BMW have made a go faster Kia Stinger.
    1
  153. Another pointless article
    1