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  19. There are actually 3 recorded calls to Raffensberger. Trump was very careful about what he said. He always closely dances around what he wants someone to do if it's illegal just like Michael Cohen and others have stated. It won't be the phone call that convicts him. He was careful to say "I just want to find 11,780 votes" instead of "change 11k votes or create 11k votes". What will convict him? It will be the testimony of the 30+ others from his inner circle about what was happening behind the scenes. Jurors cannot use what they've seen and heard about what a defendant has done that's not related to the case they're hearing, and it wouldn't be hard to break down the phone call to show he never ordered Raffensberger to commit election fraud. Even proving trump was trying to intimidate Raffensberger by saying Raffensberger could face criminal charges can be difficult since Raffensberger experienced no actual consequences after standing up to Trump. What will get him convicted is if it's shown that Trump 100% knew the Georgia results were already accurate when he made the call and also sent mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, Lindsey Graham & others to Georgia by Trump. Proving he knew the election results were accurate before he agreed to the fake electors scheme will also prove he attempted to interfere with Georgia's election results. I think he'll be indicted in Georgia and will be convicted -- IF the new Georgia law isn't used to pull Willis off the case and shut down the case. If that happens, I hope the DOJ sues the Georgia legislature for being unconstitutional and violation of the separation of powers.
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  24. There are actually 3 recorded calls to Raffensberger. Trump was very careful about what he said. He always closely dances around what he wants someone to do if it's illegal just like Michael Cohen and others have stated. It won't be the phone call that convicts him. He was careful to say "I just want to find 11,780 votes" instead of "change 11k votes or create 11k votes". What will convict him? It will be the testimony of the 30+ others from his inner circle about what was happening behind the scenes. Jurors cannot use what they've seen and heard about what a defendant has done that's not related to the case they're hearing, and it wouldn't be hard to break down the phone call to show he never ordered Raffensberger to commit election fraud. Even proving trump was trying to intimidate Raffensberger by saying Raffensberger could face criminal charges can be difficult since Raffensberger experienced no actual consequences after standing up to Trump. What will get him convicted is if it's shown that Trump 100% knew the Georgia results were already accurate when he made the call and also sent mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, Lindsey Graham & others to Georgia by Trump. Proving he knew the election results were accurate before he agreed to the fake electors scheme will also prove he attempted to interfere with Georgia's election results. I think he'll be indicted in Georgia and will be convicted -- IF the new Georgia law isn't used to pull Willis off the case and shut down the case. If that happens, I hope the DOJ sues the Georgia legislature for being unconstitutional and violation of the separation of powers.
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