Youtube comments of Umar Khan (@umaralikha).

  1. ser82ser He’s launched more amgs than we’ve probably had cars, it was the 15+th launch which is why he had problems, it’s explained on his insta
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  2. Wouldnt miguel gallardo be the creator of the current drug model
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  3. Jack Chappell Look at the smart car vs s class accident video
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  4. The A8 can have 500bhp, the new S8 will have to be like 650, if they made a RS8 they would have to start a new segment for "hypersedans" lol.
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  5. Thats the speed they reached, not top speed lol.
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  6. drdj69 The Audi obviously had something wrong. I'm no Audi fan but a tuned RS7 does 10s easy. The AMG is based on a 7 year old platform, has that wing, and I think is heavier.
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  7.  @spookyreaper1702  Where do you see a stock rs3 doing 0-60 faster than 3.6 lol
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  8. Does the Veyron do it in under a mile? The newer Underground Racing cars can do it in under 1km. They are much more reliable when not messed around with.
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  9. Have you even drove a S Class to say that it's "autopilot" is shit?
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  10. You get 20% off without negotiating, and no other options are needed since the S65 is already fully specced as standard. The drive is also a lot smoother/less violent. A V12 S Class/CL is very special compared to the V8s.
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  11. MEGATRON It was because it was the 15+th consecutive launch, the drivers had more amgs than you’ve probably had cars lol
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  12. It does 100-200 in under 5 seconds, no 600hp car weighing close to 2 tons can do that.
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  13. Mmonohcrome AMG's have always had more power to compensate for their weight. Mercedes have used high displacement V8s for most of their 63s, and even now they use V8s, something which this BMW has left. They don't use manual because automatic is superior.
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  14. Watkin Does gamez Even a 1986 911 turbo would smoke a 320d lol
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  15. CD And the Taycans battery has been tested at the Nurburgring for a VERY long time, we saw what happened when the Tesla tried it. It wasn’t the Porsche who had the overheating battery
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  16. They're saying that "NO Porsche today has the stability of the GT R when driving at the limit." http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/supertest/porsche-911-gt3-991-2-supertest-12396530.html
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  17.  @RealPonziTrader  It actually takes seconds
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  18. There was already a video where the S Class won.
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  19. Tim Shufflebottom Due to the fact that you're constantly commenting on a kids YouTube channel, and because you've been reported as a troll on six pack forums.
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  20. ferdil1987 They do give more money to charity than you do, and their oil is already finished lol. Less than 15 percent of money comes from oil, its about real estate and tourism now. 
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  21. No one told BMW that they had to make a 3.0 :3
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  22. Ever heard of "insurance" and "killing yourself" while driving a powerful car as a first car?
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  23. Philip FC B MW Weight, that wing, a 7 year old platform, a few things which assist the BMW.
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  24. Manual loses in most races, it's not the best. No, the 5.5 V8 biturbo makes around 630hp as seen on the dyno. Also, the old M5 is comparable to the 500E, also known as the E Class with 322HP. The C has always been compared to the 3. 
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  25.  @User-th6yy The AMG GTR isn't stripped out, unlike the 911 GT series, which means it weighs more and uses this extra power to "hide" it. It's not a limited edition car either. The AMG GT Black Edition is the "stripped out" version which will be limited and much more track orientated. The 911 gt3 has also got conservative figures stated for power.
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  26. SiiCkLyXXAmAZiiNG The S Class is outselling all of its competitors nearly combined, if there was a better car this wouldn’t be happening lol
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  27.  @questionyourself718  Matt went quicker than 10.8 in the GT63 S E last year
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  28. Tom Bainbridge No BMW can touch the S Class or S Coupé in these terms lol
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  29. Geekin' Like Brittany The Lamborghini reacted faster, the RS7 has over 900whp, ofc it'll win against a 700hp Aventador.
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  30.  @TDMFAN  This 'driveway' isn't legally a roadway?? Under the Road Traffic Act, he's coming from a path not accessible to the public. The curb curves round because the people who created the block got permission from the council to construct a vehicle crossover. If it was an actual road then the cyclist would 100% be at fault, but in this case, he crossed a public footway. The cyclist shouldn't have been on the pavement and is liable for that but at the same time, the driver of the car himself said he could not see because of his bonnet and the brick wall so he should've been driving even slower. He did not take appropriate action to reduce risk.
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  31.  @goguhu  The 911 in this video is an es750 997. It's quarter mile is meant to be 10.2 on pump on a surface where it spins. There's no way the M5 can keep up with it on any performance metric.
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  32. Talk to Bentley, they're the ones that install the hook
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  33.  @bigjml  That's because xjls are cheaper, you can get a new non registered xj for 20k off before haggling
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  34. No, it's not. The S Class is definitely superior compared to the A8 for interior quality, at least how I've specced it compared to same year audi s8. In the same way, R8 > AMG GTS, RS3>A45. The RS7 is compared to the CLS63 FYI and in my view the two are the same.
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  35. Greg Laurence Everyone says that, until they sit in the car.
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  36. Mercedes doesn't have rubbish reliability or expensive maintenance my friend. It all depends upon how lucky you are - you can have problems with any car. You only hear about issues with cars, you don't hear as often how good the cars are.
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  37. Tim Shufflebottom Nope, it's Tim Shufflebottom. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=162831921 How is my grammar wrong? I said "due to the fact that" in response to your question "Why do you think I don't own a Ferrari or something of a similar price?"
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  38. thoravian Does it matter that he can't afford it? Everyone is free to give their opinion. Can you afford a S Class or this 7 Series?
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  39. There's no such thing as APR Stage 3 on the RS7. This car was built by Total Race and tuned by APR(I think, correct if I'm wrong) The highest APR Package is 2.5 which I've only seen on a guy called "Dads RS7"s car. On 104 he's got 765awhp while on pump he is at 680awhp.
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  40. Meng-Lin Wu If you’re saying there’s barely any situation you’d full throttle at 100mph I don’t think you’ve ever driven a 300hp+ car loo
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  41. You obviously haven't sat in either S Class or C Class. The S Class is 100x better than a base E Class. The specced ones are good, but when I gave my S for retrofitting something, I was given a base spec E Class which was horrible compared to the S. My friends E220 AMG with the suspension option was much better but still can't touch the S Class lol.
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  42.  @rohattaliban3092  If he did that the car wouldnt already be revving at launch due to what lc is
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  43.  Latvietis96  Lol? The M3 came out in 2014 and C63s in 2015 and the c63s beat it in straight line races all day long.
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  44. drdj69 The C63S and Cadillac beat the M3 around the track and in a straight line on motortrends review.
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  45. fahad alrudidni The new MCT is clunky? Have you driven the 204 and the 205 before? It's much much better.
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  46. A.AlKatheeri S Coupe already beat the Continental.
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  47. Let's use an example. Which car is better than the S Class for a cheaper price that's not manufactured by Mercedes, BMW or Audi.
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  48. Pikiaboom Its got twin turbo and needs to be like that to test cooling
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  49. The Stulla King In terms of percentage of original cost, the A8 depreciated more and what are you basing reliability on?
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  50. I understand why they're not replying anymore and I'll follow suit, but before I go : http://ibb.co/iqU0Pk
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  51. Dude31463 Teslas drivetrain is engineered for a million? They're breaking with under 10k miles on the clock, needing a replacement which in 10 years would cost them way over $5000.
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  52. jamviator How did Mercedes steal ambient lighting from BMW? It was available in 2005. Correct me if I'm wrong but which BMW had ambient lighting before 2005. BMW also copied citroen then. I can also give you a list of features that the 7 Series has taken from the S Class. One major one is MB Body Control.
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  53. Not sure if you're talking to me but I'll reply with my views. I never thought the 7 series interior was shit. You can view in another comment I really like both of them. It depends what style you like. One if simplistic while the other is futuristic. There's been innovations on the s class that were then put on the 7 series and vice versa. I don't mind if people prefer the 7 series but when they claim the s class is shit or you can make the s class screens for $25, that's when I'd reply. If I was looking for a luxurious driver focused car I would have got a 7 series but I'd prefer a passenger focused one for my family so I got a S Class. Hope you understand my points.
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  54. achmad wildan To be honest, the Bentley isn't that loud compared to the AMG.
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  55. David Best Even a series 1 rolls royce ghost in decent condition is more expensive lol
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  56. The only Mercedes they 'lied' on was the S63 which only professionals can reach the claimed time. That's now changed on the 2018 S63. This E63S has already been proven to be faster than the claimed 0-60 time. Also, find me a stock RS6 doing the quarter mile in 11 seconds flat lol.
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  57. Pete Daly Semi luxury? The S Coupe was mainly built for luxury. If you want sport get a sls.
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  58. Not in real life. Check quarter mile times, half mile times e.t.c. The RS6 is probably tuned to achieve those times. 
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  59. ***** How is it idiotic? The thing is, if you've taken advanced driving courses then sure it is a good idea, but I highly doubt that he has. Either way, you can't get insurance on a 360hp car as an 18 year old with any provider, at least in the UK. You can't even get insurance for a S400 unless you go to a specialist. Now he is 20 I'm quite sure it would be a great car for himself.
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  60. Justin Valentino The S Coupe is a much much better car than the Bentley, when both are fully equipped. Leather, safety systems, technology, new interior not one found in a 2004 car, better speaker system, more reliable e.t.c. I had a Bentley and would still buy one, mainly because it is a Bentley. If it wasn't called a Bentley, not many would have sold.
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  61. That BMW 3.6 was compared to the 500E with 322HP. The C Class is comparable to the 3 Series.
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  62. drdj69 If only it could support that much HP...
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  63. Zen Den My S is from 2014, nearly 5 years old now and it’s as problem free as the 2019 vogue which was recently delivered. I don’t understand the nonsense about the car breaking all the time that people talk about.
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  64.  @RobinGWakker  What gearbox problems? It depreciates because theres a lot of them, but the BMW definitely depreciates more, and the recently ended A8 did too. The new A8 probably will once the rarity of it decreases.
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  65. streaky At some points the car hit close to 60mph in the overtaking line, whilst on a 70mph motorway with a clear left lane. The van was definitely dangerously driving but the cammer is independently in the wrong for said reasons too. Edit: this is the a27 so removed first part
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  66. I drive mine everyday, you think it has majority market share because it’s a bad car??
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  67.  @Kreature303  Lol what? You cant back off of the throttle without launch control disengaging. Different conditions get different results, its why you can get a S63 getting 0-60s between 3.2 and 3.8...
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  68. How can you say one is better when you haven't even experienced both...
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  69.  @TDMFAN  Look at application guidance for vehicle crossovers, it DOES include curving the kerb out of the way, Hertfordshire County Council has the most detailed pdf. If the road is publically accessible and probably named it would be a different story. You're yet to demonstrate that the driver didn't cross a public footway/footpath. You previously said the path which the driver exited from was a road, the Road Traffic Act tells us that a road is 'any highway to which the public has access', the public don't have access to this garage/highway. The driver himself admitted his negligence when he said he couldn't see past his bonnet/brick wall.
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  70. One of those is the one I told you with the same results as this video, 760 winning till 62, S63 past there, one is a 4matic S63 which shows the S63 winning in all acceleration tests except 80-120kmh in 6th gear which would never happen since it would kickdown, and the other is an old S65.
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  71.  @questionyourself718  The M8 is a Ramon Performance car, https://www.instagram.com/p/CBcuLkBK_DH/ The M5 CP has downpipes which you can hear in the video. Which standard M8 does the quarter mile in 10.5, and which standard M5 CP does it in 10.4 and 100-200 in 6.5?? Look at the owners instagram, he himself said his car isn't stock but has full free flow exhaust no cats. They said Ramon Performance car is stock but when has a stock M8 GC CP gone close to that fast?
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  72. Stoyan Denkov The S Class is nowhere near as luxurious as any post 2010 Rolls Royce, I don't know what you or anyone else commenting is on about. Yes, it is overpriced but it is by no means below a S Class luxury wise.
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  73.  @uross2000  They did use the hook, look at 1:54
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  74. ​ reality8793  What specifically about it do you think isn't good value? It's been better value in terms of performance and feeling than anything in its price range and it demolishes everything including my RS6; the G80 is too harsh of a car for daily driver use though. I abuse the G80 and get like 180 miles out of £70 and still think its good value. If you want luxury value you can buy a 2018 S350 for 40k and get 600+ miles in a £90 tank.
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  75.  @jdfd4906  looll wtf, which stock sls does 100-200 in under 5 seconds?? Stock lamborghinis don't even do that...
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  76.  @oleg274  It’s not like comparing s 540 to a m5?? There’s a 50hp difference between performance and non performance audi rs’, there’s nearly 300 between the 540 and m5. Also, the E63S is the only model available, no such thing as an E63 non s anymore
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  77.  @Destroyah32  There’s no such thing as an AMG 63, read the Dealer Ordering Guide, its 63S only now. They offered the 63 on the sedan a few years ago but the estate was 63S and now both sedan and estate are only available in 63S.
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  78.  @alexnutcasio936  We had 2 model xs, one was always in the shop. We dealt with Tesla service centre near dartford who were brilliant and always made sure we had a replacement car. It was still a brilliant car but a lot less “reliable” than the SVR and Autobiography that replaced them.
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  79.  @seismica  They can't put a tow strap where Bentley hasnt built a tow hook, you can't blame Mercedes for Bentleys mistake...
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  80. Car probably had runflats, I recommend anyone with a new Mercedes to get rid of them
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  81. Felice Graziano Even the 19s are runflats, I used it as an opportunity to get vossens
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  82. Andrew M I promise you they do, I’ve had my w222 prefl since 2014 and still love the car
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  83. Gerald Holley The thing about these videos are that they are done for fun. It's a good thing, but not when you are trying to compare these cars. Nissan GTR - 2.9 and 11.0 Ferrari 458 - 3.0 and 11.0 Audi RS6 - 3.7 and 11.9
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  84. RS7 takes it from dig, CLS63 will from a roll.
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  85. Copied the model of fuel? Do you know much about cars? BMW had issues of smoke which pollutes the environment. Every diesel suffers when not maintained properly, it can be fixed by doing a diesel purge, and can be caused by rich mixture of fuel, unburnt diesel, overfueling or more problems. CDI is Common Rail Diesel Injection, something found in BMW Diesels as well.
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  86. 方源 The Panamera Turbo S is priced similar to the S63
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  87. BMW ///M POWER Only after over 100 lol, now both of them have similar drive train systems but m5 is lighter so it would probably be the same in new generation.
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  88. The S63 is LWB as standard. The Panamera was built to rival the CLS63S, now going to be the AMG GT4. Sit inside the new Panamera Turbo and you'll understand. For full size luxury vehicles such as the S Class, 7 Series and A8, you just "enter", but for the Panamera Turbo you have to duck down and sit lower down in the car. Also compare the seats etc.
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  89. 100vasiliy I've done just under 50,000 in both my 221s. Since 1999 there was only one problem fixed by Mercedes Mobile Mechanics within the hour.
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  90. They couldn't. They didn't buy it.
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  91. Bernard Calma Lol, never seen a c63 black as a sad or funeral car
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  92. ***** youngprankster94 +UzzyFuzzyy You call other people fanboys, yet you have never experienced either car, drove either, and probably haven't either sat in either. At least UzzyFuzzyy likes cars from all different brands and doesn't make assumptions over cars he hasn't sat in. You guys don't even admit that the S Class interiors better than the 7 Series, even though people like Uzzy who is a hardcore BMW fanboy admits it.
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  93. ewoudalexander​ Except this car can't fit 4 adults. It fits 2 adults and 2 5 year olds. Those "seats" are pretty much for grocery, bags and other equipment.
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  94. The AMG GTS doesn't share the same sound as other V8s unless you're talking about the C63S. I might as well say the Porsche shares the same engine sound as the BMW M4 or M3.
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  95. The AMG GTS beat the Porsche 911 Turbo S in a review as well as the Nissan GTR lol.
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  96. ***** I'm a chauffeur to my family in the S Class
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  97. MrAdoh2010 They are appreciating much more than either of those cars, so yeah.
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  98. Latvietis96 The m4 cs is the best for price/performance? What? An imported z06 will be cheaper. You can also get a f10 m5 new cheaper . A m4 or c63s can be bought for 3/5th the cost of this, from the showroom.
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  99. There is also no better car, every person has varying needs and has different emotions when driving different cars. It's not based upon how a bunch of youtube commentors said one has quicker lap times or is faster lol.
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  100. Soulx CrusherX​​ Have you drove one? It farts on upshifts just like the m4 does. You can barely hear these farts inside the cabin of either car, unless you desire by changing some things . The C63s sounds really good inside, especially with the race exhaust. You can look at what owners think on mbworld, I think I've also got some 60-100 percent throttle videos that I can email you if you wish.
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  101. J0lker I've sat in both a C63 S and the AMG GT. You are making these judgements to go with everyone else who hasn't heard it in reality. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't press that sport exhaust button when you heard it.
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  102. Trap World ØN. Are you implying Mercedes has the worst reliability here??
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  103. Porta 1987 I'm sorry about the incident with your daughter, but what caused her to be scared in December 2016 of terror attacks? The closest thing to a terror attack last year was Jo Coxs attack, but that wasn't done by a Muslim. Also, Muslims are trying their best against this. There was the anti terror protest in cologne a few days ago, the fatwa of over 70000 clerics against Isis and the alike, and what about the protest against all forms of terrorism in London which no form of media broadcasted? https://mobile.twitter.com/ifhdttm/status/786206407506927617/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-3304290123170360814.ampproject.net%2F1496877433269%2Fframe.html
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  104. 718hudson I've got one, don't make assumptions on YouTube.
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  105. S Miller The C63 Black demolishes all audis, except maybe the R8 on the track...
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  106. S Miller Just look at lap times. Lets take one of the most famous tracks in the world. The Nurburgring. RS6 - 8:09 C63 Black - 7:46
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  107. I was wrong, I never realised it was in 5 percent intervals. I posted a picture on my google plus showing it. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o0kw8LF3on8/WR9QCaKz1II/AAAAAAAAKzo/TunV4gjm2Lo63_LITfHEblzTr3uld0DcwCJoC/w180-h320-p-rw/2017%2B-%2B1
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  108. ManiakP0w3r The G series BMWs all look similar in the same way of the new C/E/S. I wonder why people are hating on what BMW and Mercedes are doing, it's the same thing they did a few generations ago, and no one had any problems back then. Once you sit inside either 7 series or s class you will guranteed feel the difference from the lower models.
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  109. Haluk 123456 You're implying that the much lower weight of the m3 is irrelevant..
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  110. john air Wow, a 700HP P85D is faster than a 305HP car. Why not race a Golf R with a 1.0 VW Polo while we're at it. You're not even talkng about a RS. You're talking about an Audi S1. Audi RS6 0-200 - 12,1 Tesla Model S P85D 0-200 - 17.7 The AUDI RS is quite slow when tuned by ABT to get to 60. Why not bring a 700HP E63 S. 700HP E63 S 0-60 = 2.86 seconds 700HP P85D 0-60 = 3.1 700HP E63 S 0-206 KMH - 10.87 700HP P85D 0-200 KMH - 17.7
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  111. ManiakP0w3r The S Class started selling a year before the C Class. S Class : "The Mercedes-Benz W222 is the version of the Mercedes-Benz S-Class produced since 2013" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_S-Class_(W222) C Class : "The Mercedes-Benz W205 is a compact executive car which is being produced by the German automaker Mercedes-Benz from 2014" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_C-Class_(W205) I have an early 2014 S350 and am willing to bet anything that the C Class wasn't available for purchase in early 2014.
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  112. ManiakP0w3r Bs talking? I've proved everything I have said, unlike yourself. 60db is half of 70db and 70 db is half of 80db. That would mean that 3db is a fraction louder, not double as you so claim. Sorry for that subwoofer comment, that was incorrect, that was regarding physical dbs being doubled.
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  113. norwegiangangsta Less than 30,000 miles...
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  114. +Yung Dro The C63 S Sedan won't have a chance, its competition is the M3. The C63 S Coupé on the other hand is quicker than the C63 S Sedan and is a highly controversial topic on the M4 forum.
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  115. ***** The Coupé isn't the same in terms of acceleration. It's got a shorter final drive, making it a coupe milliseconds faster. Here are the  other things which have been changed. "Underpinning the new C63 Coupé is a heavily reworked version of the C-Class Coupé’s chassis featuring a four link front and multi-link rear suspension. It receives new steering knuckles, wider tracks, a unique rear axle carrier which moves the contact surface of the rear wheels 25mm outwards of that of the C63 saloon and estate, stiffer elastokinematics and greater negative camber. The dampers are adjustable in three stages at the press of a button. " steerj07 Yes, the current C63 S is faster, I'm talking against CP.
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  116. Josh Bobst Their interior is "quite shitty" relative to other cars in the price range of p100, it's performance isn't though.
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  117. keanehgz Some parts do, but from a 7 series not a 1 series.
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  118. onkouth BMWs are the best and quickest? What? Car fans know that different cars invoke different feelings in different people. There can't be a "best car" as that would imply that everyone feels the same, I don't and in the same way I can list 10 people who believe that about the BMW, I can about people who thing the AMG is the best. Also, a lot of AMGs are quicker than their bmw equivalent including a45, C63s, 212 e63 is quicker till like 110 or 115 etc. This M5 will probably be quicker right after torque advantage of e63s.
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  119. onkouth Didn't say your latest comment, disregard above lol
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  120. PetrolHead BS Did you even read what I said? Those high horse power cars have replaced turbos, or like in the C63 case its been supercharged. Upgraded turbos in the M4, pretty much the only ones available,which took it to 630hp when it had racing fuel and full exhaust system.
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  121. This is a Rolls Royce Ghost. It's not like a typical car. It has a V12 engine. My S does 51MPG most of the time, 40MPG at worst. That means I can do between 700 miles and 950 miles per tank, which can hold 21.10 gallons. That is a lot more than the equivalent Model S, the 70D. You're probably gonna say to compare the P85Ds equivalent which is the E63 S that holds 66 litres. 66 litres is 17.4 gallons. 17.4 x 24 = just over 400 miles per tank. The reason people talk about range anxiety is because there isn't superchargers everywhere and it takes 1 hour, whereas fuel stations are everywhere and take 5 minutes to fuel, pay, and leave the station.
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  122. J0lker They've owned 7 Series/BMWs for pretty much their whole lives. What do you expect their opinion to be? I also doubt they have tested the S Class, but they focus on driving dynamics whereas the S Class focuses on the passenger.
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  123. peter-paul kutschlojenga This isn't a 560hp RS7 lol
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  124. Life Of Cricket And in 2012 there was a 2004 e class with over 1000000km. If your friends record is true I can't find no record of it anywhere, so you should post a story of this online and hed probably get rewarded by Audi like all million miles plus Mercedes do.
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  125. Daniels30 No, its space issues.
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  126. I would have got it if it was 4matic, but I was told by AMG that they couldn't get it to fit on RHD E63s. All that really has to be done is flipping it over, the same thing which was done to the rest of the car, it wouldn't have been really costly for Mercedes.
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  127. The S Class' are depreciating like hell now, you could probably pick up a 14 plate cheaper than the GLA45. I'm assuming your next car will be the new E63S in a few years time?
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  128. Zayd Navaz The E63 was made for 4wd. This isn't 4wd because there is no 4wd in Britain.
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  129. SmallBoyzzz Nowhere near, except from the Mercedes logo.
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  130. ***** The only thing Bentley has going for it right now is its brand name which is why people like me might buy one.
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  131. stephan287 I know s class is the best... That's why I got one.
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  132. BlackWind The C63s compares to the m4 competition pack, not the limited edition m4 cs, but according to stats they have the same 0-100 at which point the c63s would start pulling away due to more hp.
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  133. HesteBremse http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/comparison-bentley-continental-gt-speed-vs-mercedes-s63-amg-coupe
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  134. Dheevesh M It still destroys it in terms of luxury.
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  135. You said mid range audi. The a4 has a fantastic audio system but that's it really. Lots of plasticy bits and the c class beats it. The a class beats the a1. A3 beats b class. E Class vs A5 not to sure. A6 vs CLS seems the same. A7 vs CLS a7 wins I think. S class beats a8. SLS beats r8.
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  136. thoravian Magic Body Control, as well as Distronic Plus...
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  137. Rockit181 People track C63 Blacks and they still have warranty, so I guess its alright.
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  138.  @EVGUY13245  The owners had this interior installed, doesnt come like this from the factory. I think the owners a billionaire whos the richest heir in russia.
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  139. Sales for the S Class aren't going down, it's just that no one looks at the main market for these cars which is China. In fact, with the figures we can see, the S Class had sold around 1% (tiny amount) more cars in 2015 than 14.
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  140. I drive a Mercedes nearly everyday. If you're still calling Mercedes cars boats, the last Mercedes you probably drive a W220 S Class. They're floaty when on comfort mode as that's what the mode is for. If you want otherwise you can switch the suspension to sport mode. Why are their gasoline engines shit? They sound a lot better compared to their competitors and a lot of the time they can produce much more power, while staying more reliable with high displacement.
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  141. YamahaYZ Why don’t you own one and then make your opinion??
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  142.  @davissilvestrs1996  Carwow, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ildSKqHzGkI (M5 wins but can see it's essentially even) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hCBBnZI2AU&t=1379s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s800r_xl2KE&t=197s(E63S and M5 win) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NxDbGJOTfs&t=3s(E63S wins but I'm quite sure they should be even so E63S shouldn't have won like that) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_vCVeOxLGE (E63S wins but dodgy video, they have another of M5 winning too) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHDs2sFwV_o (Dead even) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWfKxgPuPDk (Dead even) https://www.instagram.com/p/BnbVImtnzRM/?hl=en&taken-by=lux.vehicles (E63S wins against a full spec M5 CP but is essentially dead even)
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  143. The RS7 Performance doesn’t come until closer to the end of its lifecycle, you want them to hold the race for years??
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  144. GoodLife This is the companies best as of now, you run what you have. If we waited for the RS7 Performance, wed then have to wait for the updated GT63 which would probably be coming out the year after etc. You don’t need to worry though, because the RS7 Performance vs GT63S video will come as soon as Carwow gets their hands on it.
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  145. ғɪʟʟ 1ɴ ᴛ҉ ʜ3 ʙʟᴀɴᴋs Why would you think it has design cues from the g90?? The new s class has been spotted for a while now and was definitely designed before the g90s release last year...
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  146. pops and bangs What? Mercedes has no need to take design cues from the g90. You’re not providing any evidence... The g90 head designer is from vag so of course the new genesis will be looking more like European cars. In fact, the g90s taillights are the exact shape of the old s class.
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  147. Andrew HG There's equipment preventing all this from working, my best friends 2015 s8 got stolen from his home in a central location and they never ended up finding it
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  148.  @zaink7037  If you find this facelift s63 for 40k, a year after your comment, I promise you I’ll go buy one right now
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  149. Marcel Lukačić Awful interior quality? Who said that? If the car is as awful as you’re claiming it’s sales wouldn’t be anywhere close to what they are lol
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  150. The thing is Mercedes has always been king of this segment. No one has been able to beat the S Class for sales, and even if the car is much better, it won't matter due to what the S Class established decades ago. Also, the S Class is in no way overpriced. There's a 5k difference between the two cars and for that you get a completely different experience, why is why you should form your own opinion instead of believing someone elses.
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  151.  @AK-rx6hv  I disagree with that, it’s the best driving s class from over the last 20 years. Even compared to my old 16 s8 it’s not a “boring car to drive”
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  152. The 911 in this video is also over 0.5 seconds slower in the quarter than what it should be. It's probably the surface and other conditions.
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  153. Yoko Ritona Where can I find 4 videos of the new s63 vs 760??
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  154. Mihrali Demir Theres a video of a M8 vs Gt63s and the Gt won the traditional rolling race... The launch was messed up if you watch the video. A race in Russia isn’t indicative of what happens in the UK because of attitude, air pressure, fuel etc which is why uk races often have different results
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  155. Chatta290 Which taxi plates are you talking about? I'm sorry I'm not from Bristol but I've never seen taxi plates on any sort of high end luxury vehicle. Even if what you say is true, the general censeous is that the S Class is a more popular chauffeur and private car than it's 2 competitors. I also did just view the pdf, you can find it online by searching BMW 7 Series Standard Equipment Highlights.
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  156. At least on the 222 S Class, you can't change to any gear including neutral while driving.
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  157. Hasan Al-habbobi The S Class isn't more luxurious, and it doesnt have a better ride. The maybach doesn't blow it out of the water either, I have a s class and have been in all of the aforementioned and am not sure how anyone is saying otherwise. Overpriced isn't a valid term since I would pay for It, and so would others.
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  158. Gurpz Singh The E63s is the only model available in a lot of countries, and the standard e63 is much cheaper than the m5, which is a little bit less than an e63s.
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  159. SJW Maniac You can't talk about driving dynamics when you obviously haven't driven both. If you did you would understand the different personalities they have which is why the e63s is selling so well...
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  160. David Topchiev You need to check where your statistics are from, 90% of s class owners are definitely <70
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  161.  @ertugrulbae46  Autotopnl did 10.52 on a positive slope confirmed with dragy, 6.23 100-200 time too
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  162. CD So the 2 speeds won the breaking test as well? You can’t claim only one thing won it when there’s no evidence or facts
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  163. Shar0n9 Go check on www.porsche.com, everything I said regarding bhp was correct. The 911 GT2 RS is the only car that has close to the power you're mentioning, but here you're talking about the 911 turbo s.
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  164. Braden McHenry Where did you get this information from?? I can say without a doubt that a 2016 s8 isn't as comfortable as a 2015 s class, of course it's subjective.
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  165.  @DexxonGamer77  ok and now look at the autobild review, or lap times. Theres only 2 "races" of the two cars out there where both cars have won, you need to wait for more beforr making any conclusions...
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  166.  @DexxonGamer77  https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/attachment.php?s=55ef72d9bab550734f79479429722a70&attachmentid=1979652&stc=1&d=1548579131 Where did they say it was faster?? It got beat in 0-60 and quarter mile. They said the only reason it lost the 'battle' was due to it costing so much more, which is expected when these two cars aren't even meant to be in the same class. The GT63s went around the track again and beat the M5 CP by a decent amount on multiple tracks. Its faster around Hockenheim by nearly 3 seconds, Sachsenring by over a second, and vs normal M5 on Nurburgring by over 10 seconds.
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  167. Dominik Price is in the video btw, 140
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  168. Do you daily drive a S Class? I'm a private individual under the age of 60, and have just under 30k miles on my 222 and I'm still loving it. Which technology am I lucky for if it works? Where are the horrendous electronic bugs, and the things which break every other week? Tell me and I'll go have a look and take a video for you. The only place I've seen chauffeur driven S Class' is in London, and other hotspots like Los Angeles. There's more private owned S Class' in London than there are 7 Series and A8s combined. There are 2 7 Series(facelift), and 1 A8 in my residential area, whilst there's 4 S Class' within 2 roads from my home. Where are you getting your statistics from?
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  169. Unknown Participant You need to sit in one to understand it's price. It's not worth 3x the price of a s63, but It is certainly worthy of a rolls royce badge.
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  170.  @Moritz0390  What do you mean? They have E63s, CLS63s, C63s, GLEs and G Wagons with 1000bhp, in fact there's some closer to 1300.
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  171.  Latvietis96  The GT63S was quicker in every straight line metric(0-50, 0-80, 0-100, 0-130, 0-160, quarter mile) except 0-200 by 0.1 seconds. After that 0.1 second, it gained speed quicker and beat it in the quarter mile. It was also slower around the track by 0.06 seconds which is AMAZING for a car weighing ~200kg more, and as mentioned is much faster round the Nurburgring compared to the M5 and is the quickest sedan round Hockenheim. This weight involves luxury features which in the comfort category it got 4 stars whilst the M5 got 2.5, which is good seeing as how the M5 is a sports sedan whilst the GT63S is a luxury sports sedan competing with the Panamera Turbo S, Rapide, and the upcoming M8 GC - which looks beautiful as a lot of these new high end sedans are.
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  172.  @nitishgupta5959  I’ve had s classes, a8s and range rovers for years; rear screens are useless in the UK. I think the new 7 is ugly inside and out, the one thing I do love is BMWs individual leather
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  173. The S Class is better than the 7 Series in every aspect except the price. Better to drive, better technology e.t.c. BMW won't make a new 7 series this well because they are focusing on Rolls Royce which is earning more than enough money to forget about the 7 series.
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  174. theDownloader12qwert Yes, sorry about that. Just looked at the 7 series picture and it has already lost if they are keeping that design. The interior looks exactly like a stretched 3 series. Not much difference, where as the C Class and S Class have quite a lot of difference event though the C Class is a baby S Class.
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  175. Chatta290​ It lacks the brand recognition for luxury car, hence is failing heavily in the market compared to the s.
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  176. To be honest, I think in the last couple of decades there's only been 4 years where the 7 Series has beaten the S Class. The thing is, this new 7 Series is very very good, but they missed the time where they should have built their name in the luxury segment. Now at all the big chauffeur companies, they have S Class'. There's now even talks of 100,000 S Class' being sold to Uber. That may have been the 7 Series if they had the image of the super luxury sedan in their class.
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  177. TheEryk03 The RS6 is faster than a GTR? The GTR does 0-60 in 2.8 and demolishes it round the autobahn. The 458 also beats it, doing 0-60 in 3.1 unless its a TUNED car.
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  178. TheEryk03 An example of the GTR doing it without any support and vbox times : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUNcNymtyeY They also managed to get the Ferrari 458 do 0-60 in 3.0 http://www.caranddriver.com/ferrari/458
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  179. The S Class saves lives due to its safety, Wolfman on MBWorld is living proof that it does.
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  180. "look at that rubbish shiny plastic the Merc has, its cheap looking." Please sit inside any of the cars in the video before talking 'rubbish'. My old A8 had the same interior colour scheme, and there is not much difference in the wood 'quality' between the S Class and A8. I can also gurantee you that it in no way looks cheap, or feels cheap. I only wish there was more possible colours. One thing I have to say about wood in either car is that the A8s urethane resin ensures that nothing could damage it, I tried changing the colour but it was impossible lol.
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  181. All I can say is you are yet to sit in a S Class by you calling the interior a "bloody embarrassment". Even the C Class uses real, laser cut wood, not plastic lol. In neither car are the air vents cheap, I''ve essentially dismantled the S Class and can attest to this. I have an A4 as a DD and would prefer the C Class - if it was not for it looking so similar to the S. The A4s bang and olufsen is better than the C Class' burmester though. The Q7 interior definitely looks better than the GLS', it seems too similar to the GLE whereas you'd expect it to be more like the S Class. There are many people who have better things to say about the S Class' interior, including many reviewers, business executives, and awards. Sales figures show this too, with the S Class selling at minimum 2 and a half times more than the A8 each year.
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  182. He probably does know what he's talking about but as we both are an example of as well as the other reviewers here and on youtube, people have different feelings on the samethings. The S Class is way superior in terms of interior materials to the C Class, E Class and entire of the Mercedes range except probably the new V Class passenger vehicle. The main reason I know so much is because I've taken apart a lot of the cars I've mentioned for retrofits such as Burmester 3D in my S350, bang and olufsen/mmi 3g high in an A4 and telephone retrofits in 2 A8s. I've also been in my friends S8 to speeds at which I probably shouldn't mention but I could probably send my sons video if you really want to see it lol.
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  183. Most audio systems are built by the car manufacture and the name is basically just purchased to stick onto the audio system.
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  184. Like what? The only other video is motortrend where the S Class won lol
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  185. "like this!" like what?
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  186. Jack Brand As I have said, the times can just be times they found in their tests. The E63 S was said to do 0-60 in 3.5/3.6, but in reality did 3.2/3.3. The C63 has already beaten the M3 in a drag multiple times.
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  187. The Panamera is above the E63 but below the S63 as a class. It's only opponent is the RS7 which it beats, but has no tuning capabilities.
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  188. The only advantages over the Aventador is electric and can seat 7...
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  189. I'd say that insane mode is more equal to corsa mode.
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  190. They didn't use launch control, and the M3 jumped...
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  191. ManiakP0w3r The only cars in that list that would be faster would be modified gtrs, and twin turbod r8s. This thing is faster than the gallardo, m6, aventador, the f12, and probably the tdf.
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  192. +ManiakP0w3r A tuned M6 can make way more than 600whp, but unless you live in New York where they have them with Pure Stage 2 Turbos, they're not faster than this AMG lol. The 5.5 is also severely underrated from factory, even more than the 4.4 in the BMW, but that doesn't mean it can keep up with lower power. The only BMW M F(10,12 or 13) that's faster than this would be Allmotors(M Forum member) one which you almost certainly haven't have been in. The F12 TDF isn't faster than this, this does 100-200 (f12 tdf in 5 secs, this car shown in video) and everything above that faster. This car is 4matic, doesn't shred tyres and all times are shown on the vbox.
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  193. ManiakP0w3r You are just too blinded by being a fanboy. You can see this car can put it's power down without losing traction or drifting due to 4matic. The TDF is RWD meaning it would have more wheelspin than this. The old E63S lost speed due to 4matic, proven by videos of the E63 RWD vs E63S. C63 GAD does 100-200 in 4.6 while F12 TDF does it in 5.0 seconds. That's the one comparison we have for both vehicles. There's an over 200hp difference, chassis won't do much. It's like putting an M135I vs a M3.
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  194. Florian Kuche if they make an i8 M or CSl or whatever they wish to call it, I'm quite sure it would be able to beat those cars listed easily
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  195. The C63, especially this one is not shit lol, the TDF would probably easily beat it around the track, but you should see the C63 Black 5.5 v8 swap owned by DBassons on MBWorld. I'd say that the E63S lost on Chris Haaris video because of lack of DCT meaning it can't hold boost, and the 295s on the M6, wanna see what the new E63S though.
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  196. Do you know anything about the gaburing racing technologies BMW i8 with alpina 760hp 4.4 v8? I'm wondering how that would work and if there'd be traction.
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  197. ManiakP0w3r I don't understand why they don't use DCT, the one in the AMG GT is promising but isn't being used in other models for some reason. There's no DCT E63, but the new one seems rapid with one video showing 0-60 in under 3.3 seconds. It's purely petrol, will be tuned to 760-800hp, and is being modified for improved cooling and to allow wider wheels. It's over 700,000 euros I think though.
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  198. ManiakP0w3r They probably can and have already made a DCT, but there has to be a reason for them not putting it in the E63 other than torque or other fictional issues.
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  199. He used to be my neighbour, and it wasn't an unlucky sight. The unfortunate part is when he moved 3 weeks ago. FYI, he didn't live in Central London, about 15-20 minutes away. 
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  200. iTzsimplefx7 Its an ASMA CLS if I remember.
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  201. Kaisuke971 Are you telling me that the Model S materials can be in any way "close" to a Phantom drophead?
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  202. Kaisuke971 What'd you mean? Here are opinions of others, can be found in the main posts and the comments : http://my.teslamotors.com/de_DE/forum/forums/build-qualityinterior-quality-update-plans http://my.teslamotors.com/it_CH/forum/forums/opinions-interior-finishes-being-cheap Is the Tesla interior quality decent? Yes. Is it better than an A6? Yes. Is it better than a S63/760li? No. Is it better than a RR Phantom Drophead? No way.
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  203. ???
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  204. Hyundai is cheap? Ever heard of a Genesis?
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  205. It may be a cheap brand, but the new Genesis isn't a cheap looking car, especially interior wise. I'm also talking about the new Genesis, not the coupé.
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  206. The only thing I was talking about was that not all Hyundais were cheap looking, and theres at least one which surpasses the Tesla in interior quality.
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  207. I'm talking about the quality, as in the leather. 
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  208. Kaisuke971 Lol, Hyundai would need to spend years to be a Bentley. I'm not praising it, just saying its better than the Tesla. Shmee said it's pretty nice, but I also say my dd A4 has quite a nice interior. That doesn't mean I'd compare it to my S Class.
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  209. It is quite good, but not £100,000 good. "Material quality could be better. The veneers and accent trims on the fascia look pleasant from a distance but don’t stand up to close inspection." I'm guessing you've already seen my channel and possibly my MB Forum accounts. Before my S Class I had a Bentley, not many cars compared to others, but I do have expectations for my next cars in terms of luxury which the Model S currently doesn't meet.
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  210. I never said anything like that, I'm responding to the claims made by Tesla fans(not you) regarding the Tesla Model S being more luxurious than the RS7,S8,S63,760li e.t.c.
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  211. ***** You "kick" your leg underneath the trunk and it opens. That's the full Keyless Go package.
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  212. Car mad Show me where you can do that on public roads. The 7 Series is a drivers car, the S Class is the passengers car.
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  213. swunt10 Why do you need a lighter car if it was built for luxury. The amount of features to do with luxury is what puts one ahead of another between these two cars
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  214. Which is a drivers car...
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  215. swunt10 Rides better? It needs features such as the S Class' suspension and magic body control. My S Class went from 25MPG in the 2006 model to 52MPG in the 2014 model. Thats what you call losing less fuel. Mercedes already has tons of technology to avoid impact, and these cars aren't driver cars.
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  216. It would be the RR Ghost competitor, which I'm not sure is what BMW is looking for. The 8 Series would also interfere with the RR Wraith so once again not sure if it's a move they wish to make.
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  217. The only problem with it, is that it will be a BMW. That's also the reason the S Class has been outselling the 7 Series in the past between the new 7 Series being released and the new S Class being released. I thought that was the reason they use Rolls Royce, since it has a better brand image.
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  218. Not really, everyone knows the S Class is a high luxury vehicle. BMW is common as well you know, with most being 3/5 series on lease as the 5 series leases are cheap. The 9 Series would affect Rolls Royce Wraith, as most people know they would be the same platform e.t.c. Bentleys technology is ancient, the only thing to help it is that it is called Bentley.
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  219. Its common since everyone knows they are high luxury vehicles, and how good they are, as well as the image they portray. The 5 Series is under £400 a month so not sure what their leasing strategy is.
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  220. jamviator What has that got to do with the 7 Series or S Class? The Ford 999cc Ecoboost engine won for 3 years in a row, doesn't mean I'd prefer it over a 4.0 V8 found in the old M3, or the 6.2 V8 found in the old C63.
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  221. Which has a lot to do with the latest ones being under 4 litres. Anyway, go ahead, thought it was a sly remark to me.
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  222. ***** I'm used to other BMW fans(The guy whose called AMG M) and 2 others always trying to make sly remarks against me and the Steven guy which really proves they are trolls, which then makes me think that a lot of people do it.  Also, I wish to see a BMW M4 with a V8 twin turbo with about 550hp, due to it being so light, that's what I'd call a good, fun car.
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  223. FeatherGlow1 Nope, he just bought it. Check his latest videos.
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  224. Diamond Stalker Yeah he did. Check his instagram and latest video.
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  225. FeatherGlow1 Yeah, he made a video of his final journey inside.
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  226. FeatherGlow1 yeah, of course. Unless you are a millionaire you wouldn't bring cars from Saudi Arabia.
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  227. Gerald Holley The E63 does beat the RS6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ6WjL8VZnI
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  228. Gerald Holley Of course they seem weak to you. Look at the altitude.
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  229. Habej omar His argument is invalid? This is obviously a tuned RS6. How smart do you have to be to tell this is a tuned car? When asked this, Auto Express simply replied that these races were for fun. There's videos on YouTube of the E63 S beating the RS6 aswell. 
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  230. Habej omar How smart do you need to be to tell that this video involves a TUNED Audi RS6.
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  231. Gerald Holley The Ford Mustang has a bigger engine than the Audi so why don't we race those 2? The R8 has a bigger engine so why don't we race it against an A Class? The E63 S 4matic is the natural competitor to the RS6, and it is now coming to the UK. The C63 Black is meant to annihilate everything around the track, and it does a fairly good job at that.
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  232. Gerald Holley What? My logic says that the C63 Black should be versus the M3 GTS, and the RS6 should be versus the E63S, the segments and price brackets being similar for both cars.
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  233. Gerald Holley The RS6 vs GTR isn't fair easier lol. Tbh the result of this was expected, 4 wheel drive will beat rwd in quarter mile any day, especially with higher hp.
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  234. Club Bmw Amg Which is what the M5 was meant for, not the 7 Series or S Class which were meant for comfort.
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  235. Why'd you think that?
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  236. Why'd you think that?
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  237. 63kicks Why not? On a test drive it was proven to be very easy to daily drive it. The only worry would be people scratching it, the same as what would happen if you had a Porsche 911.
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  238. ***** I'm sure I did. I told you that I'm busy with work and my home extension now, hence me not finishing my latest retrofit. I also gave a link to command who are some of the best retrofitters as well as MBenzNL who are also some of the best retrofitters.
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  239. ewt415 So people can't have an opinion? Everyone doesn't need to share the same opinion as you.
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  240. C63 already beat M3
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  241. soundseeker63 Yeah, the c63s gets much more power on pump with stage 1 turbos compared to the m4 on stage 2 turbos and meth
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  242. Kaisuke971 It depends on what you want in the car. I'm not a track guy, the only time I've really gone on the track is on experiences, not in my own car. I use my cars on the road, to travel around day to day. My main thing is straight line speed. That, and the luxuriousness would make me go towards the C63 S. If I wanted to go on the track and bendy roads, I'd go for the M3. Tuning is what I'd end up doing, especially when you see the amount of power they can tune the C63 up to.
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  243. I agree for the top, but to be honest, most of my driving is on motorway or inside the city. The best place I can use it is on the A Roads, which aren't as bendy as the B Roads, due to me not living close to B Roads. I've seen videos of the C63 S beating the M3 in a straight line, as well as quarter mile times and others proving it. My question is, why doesn't the M3 have a V8? Emissions? The C63 S produces 199g/km, while the M3 does 204-213. The only reason is the extra 8MPG, but for many people such as me, fuel isn't my problem, tyres and crashing into a pole are.
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  244. J0lker He has already said that he didn't use insane mode. On the video he did, he won the whole way after 55mph.
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  245. Its just a small module that you can slot into the key area and remove just as easily.
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  246. Henry Tuttle So will a 650hp 911 Turbo, 900hp+ GTRs e.t.c.
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  247. No lol. A S320 which is 4 year old costs more than 20,000. This will be worth at least 70,000.
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  248. Baudouin Maréchal Where's the F60? The F60 was the limited edition that I think was based on the f12.
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  249. No one except reviewers and the factory have even sat in it, yet you are claiming this lol
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  250. Constantine Joseph What about a S8? You are quite tall so I'd understand now. Had a drive in a black S8 and it was fast, and can also be picked up for less than a RS7 while being more comfortable. If you think it lacks grunt, just install a tune for 3000 dollars and you're way past any standard AMG, M or RS.
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  251. ***** But AMG provided the platform. I wonder what they'll do to the GT S engine.
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  252. I edited my comment accordingly. F10 M5s are still new m5s. I also said the M4/C63S which are around 60k, which are definitely much better price/performance than the 90k for this. I'm also quite sure an imported Z06 counts as a new car. In fact, the new G M5 and the new E63S are cheaper, quicker and faster than this. The CS is just for those who want more power than the M4 without voiding warrant.
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  253. Latvietis96​​ Sytner has some unregistered m5s for around 60k with 10 miles on the clock, those would count as new. You can also place deposits for m5s but they can't lock in your spec yet for obvious reasons. Less than 5 percent of these cars go on the track, but for those that do, the m4 would only be faster around the smaller tracks(more curves, less straights) like laguna seca, or motortrends figure 8. On longer tracks such as the nurburgring the e63s will dominate. The other 90 odd percent would appreciate a faster/quicker car on the road.
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  254. Latvietis96 I removed the comment for obvious reasons, but they do have c63s', I can guarantee. I've seen no m3 cps so can't judge about that. Wow, my bad, I was expecting the e63s to get 738 as it's the time of the panamera and is quicker than the panamera in the straights but slower in the corners. I lowered my suspension with star and Mercedes didn't mind a warranty claim on some speakers, I'm assuming it's based on your relationship. As I said previously both cars are made for different people. Price/performance is based upon what the user thinks, unless we're taking on the something like the z06 or golf r which I'm sure we'd all agree on.
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  255. +Filipe Fernandes The P85D doesn't compare with these cars. Much more expensive.
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  256. ***** The P85D is 30-40k more depending on options.
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  257. ?? I'm talking about the BMW and Merc. The P85D costs 30-40k more compared to the Merc/BMW.
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  258. I'll use pounds since its where the video is made. C63S £66,000 M4 £56,000 (not sure about this price but definitely less than 66k) 911 GTS £94,000 P85D £89,000 with options to match all other cars. Yes the 911 is more expensive but I'm talking about BMW and Mercedes.
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  259. The M4 Competition Packages competitor is the C63 S Coupe, which dose it in 3.9
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  260. Strengthoftenmen There is a difference between 0-60 and 0-62. You may not notice it, but in some reviews it's what counts. You want a M4 CP Coupe, I want a C63S coupe. At the end of the day, no one will manage to change your mind or mine. It's difficult to change the mind of an enthusiast lol.
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  261. Strengthoftenmen I have, and the main problem with the M4 is the sound(subjective, I like it, others who have owned the old C63/M3 probably won't), and the rear sticks out with traction control off. Of course some may love this, but as shown on multiple occasions this can be a problem for new M owners. I was wondering why they would add more power to the CP with this problem. I can't test drive a M4 CP since I'd be bombarded with calls to buy one, and after driving one I probably would, but from what I've read they've fixed the rear end problem. Now the only issue is the interior, which once again is a subjective argument depending if you prefer the C63S or M4 CP.
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  262. Strengthoftenmen Not sure about the lower models, but I am certain in saying the S Class and the 7 Series have better interiors than anything Audi or Porsche do.
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  263. Alex Mitra Are you even being serious? 
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  264. CalebGamer Who are you to say that someone can't afford a car?
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  265. ***** To be honest, a lot of BMW and Audi drivers are be tossers on the road.
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  266. goldwizzard77 They aren't the best. Round the track there are a lot of BMWs and Mercedes with beat them and I mean, even a cla45 can keep up to a r8.
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  267. goldwizzard77 There are Mercedes which can beat a r8 v10 you know...
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  268. goldwizzard77​ R8 V8 has the same time round the track as a C63 and the C63 black which is in the same price range demolishes it. The R8 V10 is faster than the C63 black by one second but the SLS which is in the same "range" is faster by a second. Then when you get more money the SLS black will beat the v10 plus by over 19 seconds.
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  269. goldwizzard77 lol there's a guy on the Mercedes forums who has a 800hp+ SLS black which would beat an aventador. He also has a 800hp+ c63 black and a 1000hp+ clk63 black which beats a Ferrari laferrari in a quarter mile. An Alpha E63 with turbo upgrade can beat a veyron and a few other HyperCars in a quarter mile.
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  270. Shadow I never said it would beat the huracan or aventador stock for stock...
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  271. McLarenFreak What?
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  272. Ivo Gievski Sometimes there is a delay before the car actually goes. Sometimes there is a driver delay.
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  273. You can't tune a Turbo S like this Turbo has been tuned.
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  274. ***** The sat nav in my DD A4 is in the Aventador...
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  275. Will Davis Tesla does use parts from the Mercedes parts bin...
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  276. Swtch tB It's tuned higher than the AMG GTR
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  277. Mr Kruger Not exactly own, but it started having its problem while the car was in my "possession" since I needed a car while waiting for my next one. Guess who ended up paying the bill.
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  278. Unfortunately, that won't be possible as long as it's profitable for the people in power, until a revolution of some sort occurs which would probably be highly unlikely.
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  279. Get4Instinct Get a 4matic Mercedes S Coupe.
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  280. Get4Instinct What? The times where it was just about weight has gone. The E63 S and the m5 30 Jahre can beat this lol
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  281. Get4Instinct not in the quarter mile
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  282. Get4Instinct Wait, you are comparing the RS7 with an E63 S? You are meant to compare the RS7 with the CLS63 S and that matches the time on the quarter mile. Both at 11.6 on the same track, same weather conditions e.t.c.
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  283. Get4Instinct​ That's AWD vs RWD. I'm talking about about the CLS63 S.
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  284. If they do it, I guess it will cause a loss of speed.
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  285. charles findley But it affects the weight, speed e.t.c.
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  286. Its funny how you only reply to say they don't have one and not to someone who had proved they have one.
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  287. Bill White You need to get your eyes checked...
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  288. Bill White I don't see any vws being produced in France lol.
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  289. mylifeismine0 Audi A8 - 58,800 Mercedes 66,910 That is base line. The interior hasn't changed much in the last 10 years, except from the buttons but the main design is the same as the A8 I remember from 2004ish. The S Class blows both of these cars away in interior/luxuriousness. The only ways this car win is performance wise and price wise and its suited for someone with a smaller budget. The S Class decently kitted out costs aroud 85,000 and thats a s350. 
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  290. mylifeismine0 I am sure of the prices because the a8 was my second choice. Test drive a s class and then you will see how much more luxurious and fun to drive it is.
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  291. ***** This car ahs those lights you know...
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  292. Wow, it is blatantly that you don't know anything about the S Class! The ambient lighting has 5 brightness settings, as I'm sure this does too. Those screens are similar to what you can find on a Lamborghini, and are a lot better, meaning more functions e.t.c, compared to this.
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  293. Reminds me of a Lamborghini? I never mentioned that it reminded me of it, I said that Lamborghini has a similar type of thing which no one says anything against. The thing is, the only people who negative things about the dashboard are people who don't have a S Class, these screens allow for a much better experience, and easier access to features which can't be done on an analogue display.
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  294. It's not like it would be cheaper to use an analogue display from the older s class, or the C Class, is it? This display has a lot more features compared to analogue ones, such as displaying night vision, lane assist, how far away you are from the car in front, decide between kmh and mph, parking, and many more features. All of which aren't available in the same detail on an analogue display.
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  295. They can make a revised model from the old analogue display. They can copy the A Class/B/C/CLA/CLS/E/G/GL/ML/Viano/SLS/AMG GT or any of their other models. It would cost less to enlargen it to follow the pattern, but to make it unique they made it like this. They don't cost $25 each, you haven't opened up a S Class before so I don't think it is suitable for you to reply. I do work in IT, and after taking it out it is a lot more complex than buying a tablet from China and programming it. No car similar to this has night vision on the dashboard, parking cameras visible, km/h to mph, active lane assist, distance between the car in front and more. Once again, try opening up the dashboard before commenting, calling it a $25 screen. Edit : Everyone has an opinion, but I don't see S Class owners complaining..
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  296. If they wanted an analogue display, they COULD HAVE done that if they wanted to, which would have been cheaper. Otherwise, the C Class would have this screen. SMH, you think it costs $25 yet you have no real life experience with it, let alone opening it up and seeing all of what it does/what it is connected to.
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  297. No, to make it futuristic which is also seen on Audis, Lamborghini and BMWs, just not this BMW. I don't see your criticizing the i8s display. It's not too expensive to enlarge a design already made on the computer. It is expensive to develop a whole new design without a template. When do you look at it sideways? Spread out? Are you forgetting that one of the screens is the infotainment system, while the other one is the speedometer. There is no problem viewing the speedometer while driving, it appears that you're the only person who has this problem, despite not having a S Class. Once again, you have no knowledge of inside of the S Class, which I have gained in my quest to install multiple features I doubt you would even know how to install.
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  298. It's not spread out. I've been driving a 222 S Class for a year in a few days. I know they aren't spread out, I can see them all in one look, which may be seen in the video I uploaded. If you still believe it is $25, I'd give you $25 to get me a screen like that which includes the speedometer, tachometer, night vision, lane assist, distance from the car in front, ability to change radio station, mph to kmh, the rest of the features which are currently on it, and Brabus on it. 
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  299. I'll give you $100 to go try make it then. Everything connected to it costs more, due to the equipment needed to connect it to the radar, parking cameras, to the actual car so you can measure the speed and more. It's obvious that a) you haven't been inside/drove a S Class b) you don't know IT costs. This is because they aren't too far away, they're the same distance as in my A4, A3, my old 320D, my old S320, the M5 I borrowed e.t.c.
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  300. Then build it for $100 and I'll believe you.
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  301. Club Bmw Amg Seriously? What is +1ing your own comments going to show? Immaturity? The iPad doesn't tell you how far away from the car in front you are, it doesn't go from km/h to mp/h, it won't assist you with parking, it doesn't show night vision, it isn't a HUD, and it can't me connected to the car, which is what is needed for most of the points above. For the 100th time, you have NO real life experience with this car, so don't make up this BS in your head that you can build the dashboard.
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  302. You don't own a S Class, you haven't stripped open a S Class. The technology clearly isn't from the old S Class, as this has more new features. How hard is it to understand that they need to create an OS sort of thing. You might as well say it cost $1000 in total for rnd on a PlayStation. You're using knowledge you think you have, but you've been proved wrong yet you can't understand it. You are saying rubbish about a car you've never drove.
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  303. You are calling me delirious? You don't own a W222. You don't own a W221. You haven't drove either. Your lies are so stupid, it actually makes me want to laugh. You still haven't made it for $100 so I disregard your opinion. Sensors, Distronic Plus with Steering Assist, BAS Plus with Cross Traffic Assist, Pre Safe with Pedestrian Detection, Adaptive High Beam Assist Plus, Night View Assist Plus, Traffic Sign Assist, Full LED, Active Parking Assist, Direct Steer Electromechanical steering and a whole lot more.
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  304. I've confirmed you have zero knowledge of the car and it's electronics. I've listed all the new technologies and they are integrated so you can use then in the dashboard. You have no real life use of the s class so stop acting like you do.
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  305. No it's not. Stop +1ing your own comments to make it seem like people agree with you. It's not from the old S Class, everyone except you knows that. Ask any W222 S Class owner who has owned a 221, I've had both and no, they aren't the same. The S Class has had a lot of technological improvements. You failed to make the screen with all the attachments and OS for $100, let alone $25.
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  306. It already beat the RS7 performance lol
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  307. o0OmrmusicO0o It already beat the faster rs7 performance lol. forums.vwvortex.com
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  308. o0OmrmusicO0o OK, which magazine says the rs7 is better the new e63s? That's the only magazine with the new e63s and rs7 and we can all see who won in that article...
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  309. o0OmrmusicO0o What were you expecting from two cars with the same horsepower? This just proves superior technology, drive train etc. You're also forgetting that the e63s gains speed faster, measurements like the quarter mile and 100 to 200kmh prove this. The old e63s 4matic was beating the rs6 too. Once the m5 and rs6 come out, there will be the new edition of the e63, and then the m5 cp, then the rs6 performance etc. It's a continous cycle where one car is better than the others until an updated version is available, almost as if all of the companies are corroborating lol.
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  310. o0OmrmusicO0o 6 posts above, there's a link to a video
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  311. boku yow How many killings over the last 100 years were done by muslims? Also, where did you get the 80 percent figure from lol? http://i2.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/piechart2.jpg?zoom=3.5&resize=372%2C372
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  312. Bert​ If you thought that Bert you would have had no reason to reply to me
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  313. Not really.
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  314. Turdeanu Stefan OK, compared the C Class interior with the A4/A5. I got an A4 as a DD with MMI 3G High, and the C Class is definitely better. I have a S Class as a family car, and thats definitely better than both Audi A8 and BMW 7 Series.
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  315. Turdeanu Stefan Its a Mercedes, which is why people pay a premium over Audi and BMW. Most kids these days know an AMG, but they can''t tell an RS or a M from the normal cars. You can't deny, the S Class is the best in its segment.
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  316. דוד חן Of course its a taxi. Its much more reliable and its a lot more luxurious.
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  317. Jort Rinket Compared to a S63, yes, but what about the S65?
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  318. Jort Rinket Yeah, I'm talking about the M6 in this video.
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  319. Jort Rinket Not sure how the M6 works but apparently the Gran Coupe is faster than the coupe? If that was the case than I am guessing the s63 here would win again the m6 cp, and the m6 gran coupe pp would win against the s65. Not really sure.
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  320. Steffen Hill It shows it in 1 percent intervals
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  321. Hugo Sequeira What? First, those engines are engineered by Mercedes and only built by Renault. Second, a CLS63 has nothing in common with the Renault engine. Also, Skoda makes Audi Engines. What's the difference?
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  322. Electric seats : http://images.caricos.com/m/mercedes-benz/2015_mercedes-benz_s600_guard/images/1920x1080/2015_mercedes-benz_s600_guard_13_1920x1080.jpg 4 zone climate control : http://motoroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/New-2014-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-interior-and-exterior-78-600x399.jpg Also keyless go is available on every current Mercedes lol
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  323. BMW can make good interiors, I do like the new 5 series interior, it's more 7 series than e class is s class like. I in no way mean that as a negative, it makes it a much more appealing choice than the previous generation.
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  324. I think it looks really nice. I want one as a daily driver since an E Class and S Class combo wouldn't be that nice due to how similar they are.
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  325. I have a 222 S350 already lol. The current 5 series isn't to my liking, but this new facelifted one seems like a 7 series and is definitely the the only choice if you disregard the E Class.
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  326. Latvietis96 The M4 CS is a limited production car and the new c63s is coming soon anyway
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  327. ***** First time in history I want to give you a thumbs up lol
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  328. O J 3909lb vs 4399lb. M6 would obviously win. If it was the S65, or launch control was used, the S63 would probably win.
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  329. O J OK then, the S Coupe is lighter. I will have to find the 4matic weight since it is different. You have to admit though, if launch control was used the S63 Coupe would of won. There is a whole lot of things the S63 Coupe is that the M6 isn't. This includes being more luxurious, the ability to practically drive itself, the ability to curve into corners, and the list goes on.
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  330. O J Thats on the electric odemeter which seems slow, whereas on the main one you can see a different speed of less than 10kmh difference.
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  331. O J The S Class can do it without the computer which, and using the onboard system. Also look at 0:31, it is at 237ish if you look at the dash while the BMW is at 245ish.
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  332. O J That's the speed on the electric number one...
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  333. joopis16 Don't think the S63 has launch control. It also has a weight disadvantage, but of course isn't the alternative for the M6. It's more of a car for when you're a bit older than when you had the M6.
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  334. decosta4benz Who are you talking to?
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  335. kevin musai Of course... That is a SE Mercedes, not an AMG.
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  336. kevin musai Are you on drugs or something? Both the NEW (not old) S63/S65 will annihilate the 765li while fully loaded as well as feeling less heavy and much better.
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  337. kevin musai You didn't read my post.. That was the old S Class. Here are confirmed stats of both the cars in 2014 model. BMW 760LI 0-60 = 4.3 seconds Mercedes S63 (US Model) 0-60 = 3.9 seconds.  The 750li does 0-60 in 5.6  The S550 does 0-60 in 5.5 Does the 7 series even have half the stuff that the Mercedes have for performance in the S Class? The 7 series uses normal tyres and the S Class uses runflats lol. Also, who won the F1 Championship and who left it a few years ago?
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  338. kevin musai THAT IS OLD SHAPE. What aren't you understanding? They have got technology now which will destroy the 7 series in all of those. Dynamic Curve Assist, Airmatic Suspension e.t.c. It also has a much better interior especially with exclusive nappa leather compared to Audis best option. Also, when  equipped with the best tracker option which comes from the factory, it is much better compared to Audis.
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  339. kevin musai I already have lol. I also own a s class. You probably have never drove a S Class either.
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  340. kevin musai We are talking about the 2014/15 model which years better than the old one.
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  341. They still won the f1. You are talking about Mercedes and we are talking about AMG. Mercedes do the luxury and AMG do the performance.
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  342. Andie Ski The 350 is the model in the UK, but for some reason, decently spec'd, it costs around $5000 less than a S63 in America.
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  343. kevin musai Are you even old enough to drive one lol. Your maturity proves enough to me that you aren't and your lack of knowledge proves that you probably don't own one.
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  344. kevin musai its quality over quantity. Mercedes provides quality but BMW produce quantity which is why's its cheaper. Only good BMWs I think are the m3, m5 and m6 as well as the x6 m.
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  345. Andie Ski Can I see some pictures? The higher models of the S Class had 20+ orders and that would at least be another year or two so I would rather wait for a convertible and get either a s550 or s63 convertible.
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  346. Andie Ski Here are some of my pictures. This is also proof that I DON'T hate BMW.  It is the black one with 20" Vossen CVTs. It also has Burmester 3D High-End which was well worth the hefty price. http://postimg.org/image/wnkaahuj5/ http://postimg.org/image/3q563lq6p/
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  347. Andie Ski It is NOT an attempted virus. If you think that try go onto anonymouse. Don't trust me? Search Mercedes S Class W222 retrofit Burmester. I am UrBusted, as can be seen in some of my GTA Videos. http://mbworld.org/forums/new-s-class-w222/551756-s350-w222-looking-retrofit-burmester.html  If you still don't believe me, go onto my instagram @UmarSupra and that will have some pics you won't find on any websites. Also one is next to a wedding hall, and one is next to my house so unless your dealerships are homes...
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  348. Andie Ski Here, just for your convenience http://websta.me/n/umarsupra
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  349. Andie Ski try finding those s class pictures anywhere else on the web. They are currently posted on Mercedes forums, crazybobs forums and YouTube. Anyone else can check and I'll upload a picture to instagram for your convinience in fifteen minutes.
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  350. Andie Ski I think someone doesn't own a s class. Go believe what you want, at the end of the day I can go sit outside on the s class sitting on my driveway while you will be hating on people just because you want to.
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  351. Enter Name New pictures uploaded and I left my name on it so people like you see hard facts, not stuff that you like to think as your own.
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  352. The Mercedes has many more options left. Burmester 3D, executive packages e.t.c, roughly the same amount as the 7 Series. The 7 Series is a bigger version of the G10 5 Series.
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  353. ManiakP0w3r I meant G11 vs G30, Even BMW fans had said they look so similar : http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/10/12/2017-bmw-g30-5-series-vs-bmw-g11-7-series-photo-comparison/ A lot of people who claim they're so similar, don't remember (or too young to know) the older generations of cars from both manufactures. Every few lifecycles most cars are similar, but with luxury car sales increasing, every brand does it now in an attempt to bring in more sales.
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  354. ManiakP0w3r What are you talking about? The S Class was unveiled in early 2013 and was available for sale in September 2013. The C Class was unveiled at Detroit early-mid 2014 and was available for sale in September 2014. The C Class came a year after the S Class, which will probably result in similar time to G11 7 vs G30 5.
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  355. ManiakP0w3r I do live in London. Here is a 2013 S350, noted by the 63 plate meaning September 2013 : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2014-Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-3-0-S350L-CDI-BlueTEC-SE-Line-7G-Tronic-Plus-4dr-/152270215928?hash=item2374031af8:g:YXEAAOSwRoxXm2z1
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  356. ManiakP0w3r What question am I avoiding? Also 63 plate means built between September 2013 and February 2014 which is months before the C Class was even unveiled.
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  357. Orders could be played since May 2014 : http://mbworld.org/forums/new-s-class-w222/499872-just-placed-my-order-today-but-have-few-questions-mbc.html "Europe models went on sale at the end of July 2013, followed by China at the end of September 2013, USA at October 2013."
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  358. ManiakP0w3r https://www.chem.purdue.edu/chemsafety/Training/PPETrain/dblevels.htm
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  359. ManiakP0w3r You're the idiot lol. Have a look at the DVLA website, THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE OUT the numberplates : https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/533255/inf104-vehicle-registration-numbers-and-number-plates.pdf "Sept 2013 – Feb 2014 63"
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  360. You're taking the chart wrongly lmao. According to your measurements, 2 12 inch subwoofers which create over 100db in volume are over 10000x as noisy as a car driving at 70mph. The 2 subwoofers wouldn't be 10000x louder as 2 people talking in a low volume forget about a moving car. You should have learnt this in physics at school.
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  361. ManiakP0w3r Ok, my mistake, it wasn't only September but I corrected that in the next comment where I said September 2013 to February 2014.
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  362. M S Have you heard of a lithium mine, and seen the pollution and people working at One??
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  363.  @thiccboi1726  Mercedes did too, they held the fastest 4 door record in the 60s-70s with the 300 SEL 6.3, 450 SEL 6.9 and later the 560 SEL
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  364. Tim Shufflebottom Seriously? Why would someone wish to impersonate someone, who no offence, isn't anyway worth impersonating. Unless you're someone famous there is no gain by impersonating someone. If you really do own a Ferrari, why don't you post some pictures of your Ferrari, as well as something which proves it's yours, and I'll happily believe you.
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  365. I went to university and got a degree, and then I opened my own company. A few years later I was earning over 10x what I was earning by working for others.
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  366. Michael 谢 Not really.
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  367. Mmonohcrome What? The 760i gets beaten by a C63 and a S63...
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  368. Anyone else notice that the TT beat the M6?
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  369. ***** The C63 S Coupé will be quicker than the C63 S Sedan no doubt, especially with the wider rear tyres. With wider rear tyres, I have no doubt it will be 0.1 to 0.2 faster than the C63 S Sedan/Estate. If my research is correct, there was no power difference in the previous generation M3. If there was this time, I bet it'd be minimal. If they do anymore, I hate to imagine what the car would be like with traction control off. They need to add wider rear tyres or perform a revision to LC.
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  370. ***** It will obviously be quicker, the question is how they do it. On the M6/5 they added more HP for CP, but on the previous M3, they lowered it and did something to TCS. If they add HP to the M4 CP, they'll definitely need to adjust the traction systems, I thought the C63 spun tyres on launch. Also, where is the interview where AMG boss said no more 507 e.t.c for C63s?
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  371. Its on KreamDevelopments Channel.
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  372. ***** So you see one piece of plastic and you go mad. What about the pieces found in cars in the same class.
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  373. Charlie Long He is replying to the guy saying it was cheap looking, while being sarcastic.
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  374. Charlie Long I tagged the wrong person.
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  375. And RS7/RS6
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  376. Mercedes has the SLS and AMG GTS lol
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  377. GT goes against the R8 V8 while the much more powerful GT Black will go against R8 V10.
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  378. Then ktw will probably be the AMG GT Black vs R8 GT. Did you see how fast the SLS Black was?
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  379. No, the i8 doesn't compare to the Audi R8, the i8 CSL might.
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  380. cockshield Only people with insecurities would doubt their purchase.
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  381. So you can't afford either, is what you're telling me.
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  382. thoravian No wonder you probably can't afford it, you struggle to understand a quote from BMW's brand, which was what those 25 lines were.
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  383. Yes, I own a Nex-5N with 18-55 lenses as well as 55-210. Yet again, another BMW fan who struggles to understand things. A BMW fan such as +UzzyFuzzy​ manages to understand that the quote was from BMWs website, showing what the Dynamic Driving feature is. He has also verified my car through my Mercedes, BMW and Audi forum account, with my Mercedes one showing the process of being the first to retrofit Burmester 3D.
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  384. keanehgz The Rolls Royce interface is practically a BMW one with different logos. Basically the same as the Audi A4 interface in the Lamborghini Aventador.
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  385. Sometimes it should be necessary to create different software systems. In the case of BMW and Mini, its alright but I think they should have a different one for RR and BMW.
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  386. keanehgz I mean the infotainment system, not the rest of the technology. If I have a rolls royce I don't want similar technology to what you can find in a 7 series or similar to a 3 series.
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  387. keanehgz So that the owners don't feel like they can find the same system in a BMW 3 Series. If they want to use the same system, at least fully reskin it.
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  388. But you can tell its a BMW system. I've test drove a wraith with a friend. Its fantastic car but only negative thing is around 10% is BMW.
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  389. keanehgz I agree with the bottom two points but I believe that cars shouldn't have the same parts if they are two brands even if they're owned by the same company. Its just my opinion but I buy a car from a different brand to not be the same as a car from another brand. Not so I can have renamed parts.
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  390. I understand those parts, I'm talking about simple things such as gear stalks and even infotainment systems. If they're ready getting at least 100% profit on a car I expect them to at least make it hard to differentiate parts between brands.
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  391. Those are the things what I am talking about. I don't want things from a car made in 2002 by BMW in a 2015 car costing £300,000+.
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  392. ***** The BnO in the SLS isn't the best. Burmester 3D in the S Class, and BnO in BMW/Audi is better but I guess its because people prefer engine noise in the SLS.
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  393. My Burmester 3D has bass :). Upgraded the rear amplifier to a Rockford Fosgate, have a more powerful Rockford Fosgate if I need it but its too loud so I'm dialing it down. Should get the CSR back on Monday. To think I had a P2D2 subwoofer to fix it.
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  394. Felipe Machado Most of my BMWS broke down. M5 had SMG Pump failure, 320d had steering lock and 330 had carbon build up.
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  395. Felipe Machado The 320D and M5 were problems which I have heard of in the past, but I needed a car so I bought it. The 330 was due to a tune, which I had heard of but it was quite rare. I've had more problems with other car brands but I trusted BMW to have less problems. One of the factors were that they were first year models but my new S Class hasn't suffered any problems, nether did my W221. The only problems I have had with Mercedes was the 2006 E55 due to a tune and a 2001 CL500 which after being fixed I absolutely loved. The E60 M5 was a brute while it lasted though. Also, they weren't my only 3 BMWs which I have owned, and when these problems were happening I racked up 1200 miles per week due to living in London, and working in places like Manchester and Rochdale and the journeys between these cities.
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  396. Don't worry, bumpers coming back on soon
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  397. Pikiaboom Its owned by a guy on instagram. You can follow him,@heitmanntech
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  398. It is on the car, this car may not have been equipped.
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  399. Teo Di. +untitled6981 +scorpserpentThe S63 is faster, even though it weighs more. The S65 is even faster and that still weighs more...
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  400. Radu Vlad No lol. The S63 is definitely as luxurious as the S8 any day of the week. Its also a LOT nicer to drive.
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  401. Laeeq Allie This race should be weight/hp similar. The E63 S should be around 800HP though.
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  402. Brain Damage Mercedes can easily build a car to humiliate the BMW, like the 6.3 engine could if they tuned it like the C63 Black or the SLS. The only time the M5/6 CP beats the E63 S 4WD is from a roll, which the E63 S RWD will beat the M5 with. The M5 CP does quarter mile at 122.2MPH in 11.9 while the E63 S does 121.8MPH in 11.6 which clearly proves that the E63 wins until 120MPH, and will be ahead until roughly 127mph which you'd only go on if you live anywhere remotely near the Autobahn. Also, Mercedes dominates BMW in terms of luxury with cars like the S Class.
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  403. Brain Damage What is the highest output of the S63 engine, I think its called. The highest output from the factory is 600 and the lowest is just over 500. For the 6.2 AMG, the smaller output is just over 420hp, while the biggest output is 622hp. Thats not a tune. When modified, they go from just under 500, to over 750. Can the M4 go to over 700hp? The GTR is a masterpiece on wheels. You started the talk on horsepower and displacement so I replied. Do you mean fastest accelerating? Pagani Zonda 760 is quicker. The S Class is better than the 7 Series, and owning Rolls Royce doesn't mean its the same thing. What'd you man so be quiet? The interior is different, which the S Class beats the 7 Series on. The S Class has rear adjustable seats, a much better sound system, one of the quietest cars on the road e.t.c. Sharing electronics, which is only a screen you can find on a 3 series isn't that good. Suspension, engine and transmission? What has that got to do with luxury. The S Class beats any BMW in luxury. Rolls Royce may be owned by BMW but it isn't a BMW. A major hint is that one is made in the UK and one is made in Germany.
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  404. Brain Damage This is what I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Headquarters https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=rolls%20royce%20headquarters No its not. The interior isn't from BMW. 70% of Rolls Royce is BMW? If that was the case no one would buy a Rolls Royce. You saying 70% of Rolls Royce is from BMW is absurd. Even the Ghost, the closest car to the 7 Series only has 20% shared from the 7 Series : "Because Rolls is now under BMW’s stewardship, and because using common parts is essential for a manufacturer’s economies of scale (but mostly because Rolls-Royce admitted that the Ghost shares 20 percent of itself with the BMW 7-series, specifically, the V-12–powered 760Li), it’s tempting to think that the new car is simply an upsized BMW, a 9-series with an available metallic hood. That characterization is a little unfair to this new sedan. The 20-percent commonality hides in the climate-control system, the electrical architecture, parts of the floorpan, and some engine components. Both cars’ twin-turbocharged V-12s come from the same engine family, but the Ghost’s is stroked to 6.6 liters (up from the 760’s 6.0) and gets some revised internals such as a new crank. And whereas the BMW has only air springs at the rear, the Ghost uses adaptive air suspension at all four corners. The Rolls needed a more regal seating position, larger-diameter tires, and coach-style doors, which necessitated more changes. The new overall tire diameter meant new steering and suspension kinematics, and the raised seating position and center-opening doors meant reengineering the donor platform for crash safety." The 7 Series doesn't have remotely the same interior as the Rolls Royce. I don't understand how you think that "engine, transmission,electronics" makes up 70% of a car. 
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  405. Brain Damage Last time I checked, you can't modify the M4 to 700hp. You can with the C63, and even the new C63S, with just a tune and exhaust they are getting 600hp, something the M4 hasn't done.
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  406. Brain Damage "you can't modify the M4 to 700hp" Since when was a golf gti a M4? You can modify a Gallardo to 2000hp+. That doesn't mean you can modify a M4 to 700hp. 
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  407. PetrolHead BS What are you talking about? G Power raised the power of the BMW M4 by less than 100hp. http://www.worldcarfans.com/114121786040/bmw-m4-coupe-tuned-to-520-hp-by-g-power Weistec raised the power of the C63 from 451 hp to 770hp. Thats a 319hp raise. He asked why its a 3.0 turbo vs a 6.2 N/A.  Also, Mercedes have pretty much always been more tunable. You can get 1000hp Mercedes E63/CLS63/S63/CLK63 Black/SL65 Black/C63 Black e.t.c.
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  408. kerk tp You can fill up at fuel stations in thousands of locations over the country. You can only fill up a Tesla at 20 points.
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  409. Well, most competitors would have higher range as the E63 S has the lowest MPG out of its other 3 competitors, the RS7 and M5 do better due to stopping cylinders and having less displacement, and thanks.
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  410. S63 won against the Continental GT so it will also probably win against the M6.
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  411. ***** The Lamborghini isn't modified lol
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  412. dennis trident william A lot of its competitors haven't even been tested lol.
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  413. There are 2000hp+ Gallardos running over 10,000 miles. 1800whp+ Gallardos are given 2 year/24,000 mile warranty. They work very well with all the upgraded internals.
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  414. SuperNiceguy60 Implying that someone would daily drive a 2000whp(over 2,500hp) Gallardo. So far, I can see one with 1150whp having done 39k miles. Never seen a problem with them anywhere online and the uprated engines are expected to last at least 75,000 miles, which is higher than any Gallardo I can see for sale right now. http://www.lambopower.com/forum/index.php?showforum=108&prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&topicfilter=all&st=0
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  415. SuperNiceguy60 Find me any Underground Racing vehicle that's suffered a problem, a car which hasn't been modified by anyone except from Underground Racing. Billet turbos, wastegates blowoff valves, water intercooler/reservoir, billet race short block, e.t.c allow for this. Of course there are some 7 seaters that would do over 1,000,000 mile. Feel free if you wish to call Underground Racing to ask about their highest mileage vehicle, 704 361-3443
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  416. Icepacalypse johnson I haven't even seen one, can you link one?
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  417. Foer Hoen No one who's old enough to get insured on a 320bhp e class would get driven to such personal insults by someone saying you don't own an e class, and who did you find that knows how to remap the new bosch ecu on the new e350d??
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  418. I have no need to "console" myself since I have a 222 S. I was being serious, the only method of tuning a new e350d as far as I have found is a piggyback chip which basically tricks the engine into running more rich, not a remap. The only reason people doubt you having one is because you're making "a complete dick out of yourself". Please, feel free to prove us wrong and upload a video as the picture you have of your car on instagram doesn't seem like a registered car.
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  419. ThatAsianB0SS Those parts are from Mercedes directly.
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  420. What are you talking about? You probably haven't even sat in a S Class and you are saying it can't compete with an A8. The S Class is superior in a lot of ways in terms of luxury to the A8, with one exception being possibly the sound system as I haven't heard the Bang and Olufsen 3D in it but if it's anything like the Q7's it would be fantastic. It is also a lot more sporty inside e.t.c. There are other factors in terms of loudness but the only time I've been in a 7 series new shape is on the M25 which in no way is quiet. There's been electric rear seats in the S Class and 4 zone climate for over a decade and the only 'sloppy' transmission is the S63s one in manual mode.
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  421. ManiakP0w3r I recommend that you read the comment wrote by carwow when someone asked about the sound test. It'd be impossible for even a mini cooper to be 60% as loud, as it would equal sounds put out by 2 10" subwoofers. You're calling me a fanboy, yet you speak so highly of a car that you've never sat in before and talking about things which are practically impossible. You don't even know anything about either car except things from the internet. The 7 Series doesn't have a Bang and Olufsen system, it has Bowers and Wilkins. The A8 has bang and olufsen while the S Class has Burmester. Also, the S8s interior is the most sporty out of the 3 due to the positions in the car, steering wheel position e.t.c. You shouldn't be talking about things you know little about.
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  422. The M235I is against the CLA45, which is faster than the A45.
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  423. Andy P There's no way you can be flooring it around and get 30mpg. If you really are driving like that your mpg would be around 20, if it is a 35i. In a S350 (3 litre) you barely get 15mpg when kicking it, albeit it's heavier and has less hp.
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  424. Andy P Neither fuel economy is too different. They both do around 21 city and 30-35 town. Sorry, I thought you had a 35i. 3 litre can have better MPG though lol, the S350 does 51mpg on highway.
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  425. Andy P I've seen a few blown turbos on 45s due to the high boost it's running so as you probably already know, shouldn't be tuned if you're keeping it for that long. To be honest, the E Class seemed good on paper but when I had a loaner, apart from the interior I'd prefer my B8 A4 dd. The E63 is probably a different matter though.
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  426. ***** As I've told you 4 billion times, you break the law by accelerating to 40mph too quickly, forget about 60mph or 90mph.
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  427. Replaces all defects? Sorry but it takes weeks, even months for Tesla parts.
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  428. Club Bmw Amg In what way???
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  429. I mean the S Coupe looking like a honda accord.
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  430. Club Bmw Amg It does, just to you and a minority it doesn't.
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  431. Club Bmw Amg http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/1412_2015_mercedes_benz_s63_amg_coupe_second_drive/68323771/2015-mercedes-benz-s63-amg-4matic-coupe-front-three-quarter.jpg http://www.forcegt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2014-Mercedes-Benz-C-Class-front.jpg The only way it looks similar is the light shape, which is a lot smaller on the S Class. Not sure how you managed to think it was a C Class. You claimed the rear looked like another car, which is not the case unless you're not wearing glasses with a prescription of -4 on both eyes.
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  432. You are the only one who has that opinion. Is a coupe meant to be longer than the equivalent sedan now?
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  433. Club Bmw Amg Look at the Rolls Royce Wraith and the Bentley Continental GT before saying that crap on a luxury sedan. I can officially say you've never seen these cars in reality as those views can only be made online, not when you see them in real life.
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  434. Still shorter than their sedan. You haven't seen or sat in either so I won't blame your opinion.
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  435. Are you blind?
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  436. RR = 2x Luxury + 0.5-1x Driver S Class = 1-1.5x Luxury + 0.75-1.5x Driver 7 Series = 0.75-1.25x Luxury + 1-2x Driver 2 being highest and 0 being lowest
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  437. Samson Okoro I mean in between models. Would you rather drive a Rolls Royce Phantom or a Mercedes S63/S65? For driver dynamics it would be the S63/65. S63 over Ghost. S65 over Phantom.
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  438. Samson Okoro​ You can't deny, top luxury for this price is CURRENTLY the S Class. I mean in RR Phantom/Ghost vs Mercedes S63/65 I would much rather prefer to drive the Mercedes as the RR is much longer. If I was lying in the back its phantom over S65.
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  439. This new 7 series is changing that. Its for luxury aspects but it is turning into a drivers car.
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  440. I don't understand what you're saying. The S Class has always been seen as the more executive, and luxurious car in the eyes of chauffeur's and reviewers who use opinions of people who own the car. The 7 Series has pretty much been the drivers vehicle while the s class was the passengers.
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  441. Yusif Aliyev We're talking about full ambient lighting that can change color and brightness, not an orange led strip.
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  442. Samson Okoro The S Class had it since 2006, I had it on my 56 plate. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w221-s-class/1312404-ambient-lighting-mounting.html If you wish to talk about the other ambient lighting, such as what Yusif was talking about, the generation before the 221 had it : http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/showthread.php?t=90091
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  443. jamviator The S Class didn't have colour changing lights before 2002, neither did BMW. The W220 had "ambient lighting", if you want the one which didn't change colour. They've already overtaken BMW in the large luxury sedan sector. Overtaken? BMW never were the leaders of the large luxury sedan sector. The S Class is and always has been the leader of its segment. Samson Okoro I never said that every top of the line car doesn't have it. Jamviator said the BMW had it first, which they didn't. Also not sure how the jaguar was the "template" for the S Class? It's pretty much the same as the 221. Mercedes doesn't have lighting inside the air vents. The only differences from the 221 is that it's around the screen and the floor. http://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/gtspirit-mercedes-s500-0034-jpg.19464/ http://www.mercedes-benz.com.lk/content/media_library/hq/hq_mpc_reference_site/passenger_cars_ng/new_cars/models/s-class/_w221/facts/04_2011/comfort/interior/s-class_wv221_facts_comfort_interior_715x230_04-2011_jpg.object-Single-MEDIA.tmp/s-class_wv221_facts_comfort_interior_715x230_04-2011.jpg
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  444. Can you send me a picture as the only picture of the interior lighting system that I can find is this : http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zEkoxPcha_s/maxresdefault.jpg I can tell you right now that the S Class has in no way copied the ambient lighting from that picture.
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  445. jamviator  I was talking about ambient lighting, being the one which could change colour and brightness as seen in cars today. It appears the W221 S Class beat the 7 Series to that. If you just wish to have a light in a colour, the S Class had that before 2002, I've posted a thread for a 2001 S Class, as I don't have the time to search for a previous date, which has the same feature showing that Mercedes had it before. It was available starting from 1998 on Mercedes S Class W220.  Nearly every brand has copied another brand in one way or another. If that wasn't the case, most cars wouldn't have speaker systems, infotainment systems, turbos, leds or most other things you find inside your car on a daily basis.
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  446. I said it like 20 comments ago lol. Mercedes has some unique features that I love, but so does the next 7 series.
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  447. Peter R Pretty much every street legal car in the world can get spanked by 2000hp Huracans and GTRs. Doesn't mean I'd have one over a Koengisegg Agera.
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  448. Already been beaten by Top Gear Polaska
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  449. Behemothokun It won't change anything. They already know how popular he is.
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  450. The S Coupe won against the Bentley but the Rolls Royce costs tons more.
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  451. Beef Broth Bragging rights car? If that was your wish, you could pick up a Gallardo for the same price. I don't get a new prada bag every week, neither the latest phone. This car has technology which you won't find on over 90% of other cars. The speaker system is one of the best of a factory system, and it won't brake unless you treat it like crap, as I have seen since 1999.
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  452. Alper Öz It's called a 765li... The S Class is much better in luxury, feeling, and smoothness but the s8 is faster...
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  453. An Aaron The S63 AND S65 cost more, but are still faster, much more luxurious and better cars overall.
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  454. Alper Öz ???
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  455. Tacky? Porno Mood Lighting? I bet if the Porsche had it you would say otherwise.
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  456. disgraceland uk Everyone else thinks otherwise. It drives wonderfully, you barely feel the road and with all of the available features on it, none of its competitors can match its level of luxury. Sure, this car isn't that good performance wise but that's not what this car is for. This car if pure luxury.
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  457. disgraceland uk What I am trying to explain is that it is an optional extra. Since people like it they get it. Some people got the lighting because they liked it. What is your problem with people liking it? Yes, I struggle to understand the basis of your opinion. Please explain, why is it "tacky" in your opinion.
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  458. disgraceland uk I don't have a problem with you not liking it. I have a problem with you thinking it is tacky. I am trying to figure out why that is.
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  459. disgraceland uk The only thing you say now is "opinion" "opinion"...
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  460. disgraceland uk Yeah, I'm the troll. At least I don't say something about a car which I haven't sat in and base stuff on a car from a video.
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  461. disgraceland uk When I replied with my opinion, you started "abusing with my opinion". Don't see how thats wrong. I don't get how you get an opinion of something without seeing it yourself. Thats like me saying a 5K TV is rubbish by watching it from a 1080p laptop.
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  462. disgraceland uk What? Since I don't make baseless opinions, over a youtube video, or call a car tacky/cheesy without testing the car?
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  463. disgraceland uk OK, so you are admitted that your opinion is based on a video. Why don't you go to the showroom and go on a test drive of either car. Wait, you are a Porsche fan so of course you will pick the Porsche, even after testing both. Your "opinion" of the car is based on two items which can be changed/removed.  YOU are the on who is embarrassing yourself, the Porsche is a sports car, not a luxury car.
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  464. benjamin rashard In which aspect, except drivers?
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  465. jojajo2707 Why not wait for the new C63 which is coming out soon instead of speaking about a car which came out in 2007 vs 2013 lol.
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  466. ***** The 2013 c63 would of course be slower than a 507 edition c63... 
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  467. ***** That is exactly what I think about most of these new performance cars like the M3/M4/C63. I would prefer a C63 Stage 3 like the ones at MSL Performance or a V8 M3. Anyway, I have to say, the new 7 series concept looked like it would actually be decent but spy shots just show a 7 series with not much difference from the current one, and an interior from a stretched 3 series.
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  468. It won't be much different from what the current spy shots look like if its coming out in a few months. You have to admit, that right now the S Class looks a lot better and it probably will be. The 7 series is nice but the S Class would be my pick from that market. Personally, I would want a m4 convertible if I was in that market until a c63 convertible comes out in a few years time since the m4 is actually a nice car. The engine ruins it though. 
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  469. Of course the inside would since a lot of it comes from the speakers. If only it was still a v8.
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  470. ***** Not really. Also, why not compared both as estates if that is what they wanted to do, or both as saloons/sedans.
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  471. +Kushi son S Class is still better than anything BMW have produces. The BMW i8 is also beaten by a Tesla so yeah lol.
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  472. Kushi son The S Class is much better than every BMW produced, also the Tesla beats the i8 in a race while the i8 may win around the track. If you wanted a car to beat both you might as well get a GTR lol. I have to agree though, the i8s interior is good looking, my opinion before anyone else argues. 
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  473. Mr Kruger Thats a slightly tuned M5... I agree its fast but if you want to play that game why not tune the E63?
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  474. Mr Kruger E63 beat M4 and M3. Why do you think that Mercedes are Taxis? Since they are more luxurious and more refined. One thing I have to agree is that the new GLE is ugly, but the 63 engine sounds good. Also, the S Class outsold the 7 Series and is much better than the 7 Series in every aspect except price.
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  475. Kushi son What are you talking about? The i8 didn't get car of the year. The M4 got car of the year for coupes and the S Class got car of the year for luxuriousness. Also, is all that matters in this world speed? Speed is what kills people. If you still want to talk about speed just go get the Tesla P85D. That will beat most of your cars. Also, the review that the i8 got picked for has luxury of the year, S Coupe, Family Car of the Year, C Class Estate,  Sports Car of the Year, Mercedes AMG GT. No other mention of BMW there.
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  476. Mr Kruger All that they did to the M5 30 is up the boost pressure. Do it on the E63 and see...
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  477. Mr Kruger How on earth is it stock from the factory? Not many people can order one and face it, you can do what they did on any car. Just ECU tune it.
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  478. Kushi son OK... I agree that the M5 is a good car. I only asked for it to be both a E63 sedan and a M5 sedan, not if there was any faster models...
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  479. ***** Can you even afford an i8? That is one win for the i8, while there is more than 6 wins for the S Class in the luxury sector. 
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  480. Kushi son Its not like I said that some Bmws are good is it...
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  481. ***** Proof that you aren't a car enthusiast but a BMW fan. You should respect cars for each of their different traits, not just because you think they are the best.
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  482. ***** Most of us do, but I accept that the BMW may be faster in some cases, but the Mercedes also shines in some cases such as luxury.
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  483. Mr Kruger The Tesla is faster than a M5 30 Year Anniversary...
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  484. Mr Kruger I never said the AMG is faster, I said the gap would be smaller. Also 0-60 in 3.2 seconds vs 0-60 in 3.9. I think there is a clear winner. Does a car need to be powered by petrol to be faster? Tesla proved otherwise.
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  485. ***** they may suck in some areas but they are still fast.
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  486. Mr Kruger It is still a lot faster which is the argument you are making.
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  487. ***** You seem obsessed with BMW....
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  488. Can you guys just shut the fuck up? None of you are going to agree on which cars better so whats the point?
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  489. Mr Kruger s class>7 series
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  490. Mr Kruger The s class is a completely different class to the 7 series. It is much much more better.
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  491. Mr Kruger The S Class is too good to be compared to a 7 series. BMW really need to put some effort into the new 7 series because right now it looks like an extended 3 series.
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  492. Mr Kruger I'm talking about the one which they are making now. Also the s class looks nothing like a c on the exterior except the smaller version of the lights. Look at the new 7 series interior. The 3 series looks nice on the outside, not so sure about the inside.
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  493. Mr Kruger The S Class is practically in a different league of luxury and technology compared to that 7 series...
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  494. ***** Yep, definitely nothing like the 3 series and 2 screen isn't it... http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/0/96//bmw-7-series-1.jpg?itok=V3i0rmyQ Also, here is the S Class and C Class. The only thing which can really be compared is the door handle area. http://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/ddc228fde72ff8f37d9d83e3fa6a77f6-jpg.292558/ http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery/public/mercedes_c-class_2014_interior.jpg?itok=rA1A4E2b
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  495. Mr Kruger The lights look the same and the two side lines but thats pretty much it. Then look at the new 7 series interior and the new 3 series interior if you want to see a similarity :/
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  496. ***** They say its a mini S Class to try to sell it to you... I can go outside right now and show the obvious differences between the S Class and the C Class. Didn't they say something similar about the M4/4 Series? The spyshots for 2012/13ish show the same interior as the car in 2014...
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  497. ***** DO YOU EVEN OWN ANY OF THEM? IF NOT SHUT THE FUCK UP
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  498. Mr Kruger Never bought a Mercedes without AMG Line on.
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  499. ***** What about the 435I and the M4? The 335i and the M3? The 550i and the M5?
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  500. ***** The C63 has much more difference compared to a C AMG than this. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=391790&stc=1&d=1376616495
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  501. ***** Did BMW even win any luxurious car of the years, as such?
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  502. ***** The Car of the Year wasn't given to either brands. The nominees however were the BMW i3 and the Mercedes S Class. There were other Mercedes and BMWs involved in the Car of The Year, by Motortrend who practically made Car of the Year, but the finalist were the S Class and the i3 and I would rather have the S Class than an i3.
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  503. Mr Kruger I don't see BMW getting engine of the year? That was the Ford EcoBoost engine, http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/.
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  504. Mr Kruger It hasn't won, but it was nominated a few times...
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  505. ***** Did Top Gear even make Car of the Year? Which tests were performed except driving it around for a few days or maybe even a few hours? The original Car of the Year by Motortrend has strict guidelines to Car of the Year while most of them are just selected such as this one. Sure the interior is quite nice but that is just about it. If I wanted speed, technology, range e.t.c the Tesla would be a much better choice...
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  506. ***** Who the fuck copies a company that does that?
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  507. Mr Kruger The 35i motor did win but thats not in performance is it? The only current engine thats decent by BMW IS the 335i but other than that the only recent win was BMW/Mini engine which is not a performance engine.
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  508. Mr Kruger When did the M5 4.4l, 335d, 330d and the 760li win engine of the year? 
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  509. Mr Kruger People like those engines available. Naturally aspirated, brutal sound, and when tuned can go over 800bhp. In fact Mansory got it to 1000hp which is more than most new BMWs can do.
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  510. Mr Kruger Copycat? All they do is use the same great engine.
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  511. ***** Still a V8 unlike the M3/M4.
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  512. Mr Kruger LOL, just because BMW can't handle the power. Look at MSL Performance Supercharged C63 and are you and uzzyfuzzy the same person? In each others circles, comment like 5 minutes before/after each other e.t.c.
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  513. Mr Kruger Yep, from 2008, when BMW used to be fantastic.
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  514. O J In the past they were fantastic except some minor problems such as the SMG which had to be replaced in my old m5 and the steering lock on the 320d loaner. Now the only good engine is the 35i
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  515. Mr Kruger The Tesla Model S is the fastest saloon. In fact if you turn the boost up in the E63 to what they did in the M5 30 year edition it would outpace the M5.
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  516. O J Wait, so you found one source which is completely inaccurate?  Quater Mile Times Tesla Model S P85D - 11.5 (fastest)  Average - 11.6 0-60 - 3.2 2014 M5 30 Year Edition -  0-60 - 3.7  Since there are no quarter mile times for the 30 Year Edition lets use a competition package which has a 0-60 of 3.6 which is faster than the 30 year edition in that aspect. Quarter mile time is 11.7. Seriously, what is your source smoking?
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  517. +O J Different locations or typo. Look on their video. M5 Comp Package got 3.7 while the E63 S got 3.4. If they did it at the same location the merc would be faster as their video shows. Motor trend got the Tesla model s p85d to do quarter mile in 11.6.
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  518. O J Do you even own any of the mentioned cars. Also there is now black edition, only the edition one and s model.
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  519. Anish Ahuja and cheaper, more solid, and it takes a tank to break down unlike the BMW.
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  520. O J Because people comment on cars that they have never even been inside or owned like they know every fact about it. Half of the people commenting have probably never sat in either an E63 or M5.
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  521. Anish Ahuja Not talking about you. I am talking about the people that comment on every BMW vs * page saying BMW is the best without any personal knowledge, only stuff gathered from the internet. Before UzzyFuzzy says that BMWs are reliable read this. http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/motoring/which-claims-bmw-are-among-worst-1152411
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  522. O J Those timings around the track are for an estate model. 2 Seconds would have easily been made back if it was a sedan.
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  523. O J And the CLK DTM (how old is it again?) still managed to beat all BMWs
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  524. O J CLK DTM Times hockenheim_short SLS Black - 1.08.10 1:12.50 - Same as BMWs fastest, the M3 GTS Autozeitung test track SLS - 1.36.60 M3 - 1.38.70(E90, beats the new M4/M3/M5/M6/1M Tsukuba, Japan No SLS/CLK but M3, fastest BMW, gets beaten by the F355, a car which was made in 1994. Sachsenring SLS Black - 1.33.38 SLR - 1.37.10 SLS - 1.37.12 M3 GTS - 1.37.27
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  525. O J What about the SLS Black Edition which whenever was in a race with any BMW, handed it back to them on a plate? What about the CLK DTM, a car made in 2006 which can still beat most BMWs to 60, and to even higher speeds?
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  526. SLS beat all of those cars.
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  527. O J There's street legal 1000hp c63 blacks and clk63 blacks which will beat any BMW. They aren't even brabus. When I get home I'll post the lap times where the clk dtm or any amg beats the BMW which you left out.
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  528. O J​​ The fastest factory Mercedes are the SLR 722 the sterling moss and the SLS black. All of which are faster than the x5. Infact even a 2003 e55 can.
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  529. ***** lol? What is a picture of a taxi meant to mean? You have no reasons left and have decided to give up?
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  530. O J You are talking about the 2000 one with 700hp right? That does 0-60 in 4.7...
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  531. ***** The one which does 0-60 in 4.3? Yeah, sure
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  532. ***** How have you won? You don't seem to own any of the mentioned cars. Also, here is the reason for Mercedes being taxis. http://www.mirror.co.uk/features/bmw-vs-audi-vs-mercedes-4208057. 
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  533. ***** Says the guy who comments on every single video about BMW even though he most likely doesn't and hasn't even owned the mentioned cars. At least O_J has experience and the knowledge. You are starting to get annoying. All you say is stuff that you can find online. Why don't you go get a job and try to buy one of these cars instead of being an annoying dick on the internet.
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  534. O J Exactly what I was trying to do before he starts spamming taxi and calls me a "sad faggot" just because he has nothing better to do. Back to the point, you were talking about the 2000 one right? That does 0-70 in 4.7-4.8. It was sure a mighty beast but the 2001 M3 we had, it may have had a few bits of tuning on it, would have been faster. Man was that a car back then. It was also one of the only BMWs we have had that didn't break down. Recently, a friend bought a supercharged 2003 M3 and the noise that thing made. Not as mighty as some of the AMG cars but it was loud. The fastest BMW from the factory (non street-legal) was the 2003 M3 GTR Race Model which did 0-60 in 3.3. That isn't street legal, but there is a street legal 1998 CLK GTR which does 0-60 in 3.3 as well. If it was me, I would get a supercharged CLK Black Series like the guy on MB Forums has. His 1000+ hp beast does the quarter mile in under 10 seconds. Watch a few videos of the CLK DTM on the road. A stock one easily kept pace with a Gallardo when it was made. Now, get a E55 supercharged with some bolt ons and it can easily out pace a V10 R8.
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  535. Mr Kruger​ Depends what you are looking for. If you want pure performance then sure. If you want a fun drive with more luxury then the Mercedes. If you don't mind tuning then a Mercedes since a lot more power can be gained compared to the BMW.
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  536. Mr Kruger Read my edit. Mercedes let the tuning companies make it faster than BMW. Check out MSL Performance C63. All car brands need to get their act together. VWs Golf R400 will do 0-60 in under 4 seconds and a small tune would beat most BMWs.
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  537. Mr Kruger LOL. That thing does 0-60 in like 4.7. A m3 can beat it. Also, I'm guessing Amish meant SLR?
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  538. Mr Kruger Don't believe me? Go do some research.
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  539. Mr Kruger You need to provide facts and statements... Like OJ is doing to why its better.
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  540. Mr Kruger So you post stuff and then when I reply to it explaining against it you suddenly disappear until someone else says something.
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  541. Mr Kruger Since 1972 the S Class has been selling more than the 7 Series.  Also, I was talking about the posts where both you and UzzyFuzzy were saying stuff like the X5 Le Mans V12 can beat any Mercedes in a drag race but it only does 0-60 in 4.6 and the M1 Pro Car which does 0-60 in 4.3. BMW is also a much cheaper brand. 
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  542. Mr Kruger I mean like in the high price range. The most expensive road legal BMW is 270k. Most expensive road legal Mercedes is 3.5 mil then 3.3 mil then 3 mil then 1.3 mil then 1.1 mil then 900k then 900k then 880k then 850k then 770k then 650k then 650k then 600k then 600k and the list can go on.
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  543. *****​ Can that be driven on the road? Is it street legal? People are also selling them for 250k and the highest I can see is just under 700k...
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  544. ***** The non-competition version which ISN'T worth 4 million.
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  545. ***** lol, so you fail at thinking of a suitable reply.
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  546. Mr Kruger The E63 S does 0-60 with an average driver whose holding a phone in his other hand in 3.8. Option Auto with a very good driver did 0-60 in BMW M5 30 Year in 3.9. lol
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  547. Mr Kruger Now let me find a better one. Oh yeah, 3.6 seconds. Have you even been at 140mph? I doubt you will be able to in the world within 10-15 years.
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  548. Mr Kruger The Mercedes wins up to 120mph, then RWD beets AWD.
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  549. Mr Kruger I can upload a video if you want.
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  550. O J I'm talking about the video which shows it doing 0-300kmh. Not conservative figures. If the competition package does it in 3.4 seconds then its faster than the M5 30 Jahre.
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  551. O J Video is on my channel. E63 stays ahead until ~200kmh compared to the Jahre. Around 180 where they keep inching ahead of each other.
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  552. ***** I don't mind the rest of those guys, although UzzyFuzzyy can get annoying at times, but at least they are old enough to own these cars...
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  553. ***** All of us would choose the E60 M5, but frankly I would rather choose a Supercharged C63 like the MSL Monster.
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  554. Mr Kruger gran turismo concept. Clk gtr coupe. SLR 722, slr, slr stirling moss
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  555. ***** I had one from 2005 and the transmission/SMG was having major problems...
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  556. ***** What, so pump failure which causes problems with the clutch, which in total costs about the same price as fuel for a year isn't major is it?
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  557. ***** Last time I checked M5 owners, 99% of car owners, don't comment on Horrid Henry videos.
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  558. Anish Ahuja Don't believe this guy. He said he owned a M5 F10 and a Hummer a few weeks ago, now he owns a M5 E60. He watches Cars 2, Sonic X
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  559. Anish Ahuja I've posted my proof. It is all up on my google plus photo album. I've asked Razor to upload his proof at least 5 times when he said he had a F10.
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  560. ***** LOL WUT. You can get a M5 F10, M5 E60 and a hummer, yet you don't have a camera? Use your phone. LIAR DETECTED.
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  561. Mr Kruger My ones were RWD. Why don;t you check. ***** Yes, since you don't own them.
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  562. ***** Stop lying. Your videos prove you aren't even old enough to drive. I'm sure there is at least one picture you can delete. Out of space on your phone is the lamest excuse I have ever heard.  Mr Kruger I named at least 4. Unless there are any videos, the M5 30 is slower according to the only video. Unfortunately it is a rare car so it will be very hard. You have to admit though, look at Razors videos and comment history. There is no way he has owned a M5. He said he is 19 and a 19 year old wouldn't own 2 M5's. Especially if they comment on youtube videos, can't afford a camera and watches what he watches. He is probably a teenager.
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  563. Mr Kruger His best friend isn't even 16 yet he claims he is 19. I have already said the m5 is a fantastic car and the only thing I'm doing is saying the e63 s is faster to 60 and yet with all the proof you are denying it. A M5 owner "doesn't have time" to comment on youtube videos since they are too busy enjoying the car right. You or UzzyFuzzyy may own the car but razortanner doesn't.
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  564. ***** Need proof its yours and not someone elses you have seen. Maybe a picture with they key inside the car :). I'm sure its not that hard. Also, the M5 is at its max boost of 22 psi while the E63 would demolish the M5 with a boost controller which takes it to less than 20 psi. It currently has 14psi.
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  565. ***** Upload them with some proof its yours and why should I trust you when your best friend isn't even 15?
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  566. ***** LMAO The car in your picture isn't yours. It is owned by A6MotorCompany. 
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  567. ***** http://www.a6motorcompany.com/used-cars/bmw-m5-pulloxhill-201411068793021  Stop pretending you are everything. It is the exact same picture as you have got on your profile. If you delete it, here is the link https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-REBnFPi4Gmc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAQjM/h852eYYoiBI/s120-c/photo.jpg. Search the picture on google if you don't believe me.
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  568. ***** " I trolled you, I know it ain't mine. Maybe I'll show my real one soon. Just wait." Admit it. You don't own a M5 E60. Now you will spend all day and all night searching for a M5 E60, just to pretend its yours. UzzyFuzzzy and MrKruger. You both know he is lying now don't you?
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  569. ***** You can't even tell the different between kmh. Your reason that a car belongs to you is that it has a real numberplate. 19 year olds don't own two m5s and a x5 while spending their time watching and commenting on sonic x videos. A typical 19 year old who has 2 cars would have a camera with enough space to take a picture. A simple picture.
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  570. ***** Yeah, sure, you can definitely afford insurance on 2 M5s and a X5, yet you want stuff for Roblox for free. You posted a picture of a M5 which is also not yours and your quote was "My actual M5. No seriously it's mine. I ain't lying." URL : https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CQHCI9HP5aA/VKqmQNIKSPI/AAAAAAAAAR8/d0pJ1t3dKDc/w426-h320/BMW%2BM5%2B4%2BDoor%2BSaloon%2BThat%2BDoes%2B204%2BMph.JPG This is where it came from. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-M5-SMG-5-0-V10-2007-83000-MILES-FSH-IN-STUNNING-CONDITION-/391017639843?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item5b0a77afa3.  Stop lying.
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  571. ***** This "https://plus.google.com/109149629929010123699/posts/3bRYepS9zVF" post is fake. Not your car. Owns to the people I said earlier. Stop faking it. We all know you don't own a M5 no matter what you say or who agrees with you. They know you don't have one, but they may agree with you just to come back at me.
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  572. It's actually because the 'fuelometer' in the S Class moves in 5 percent intervals
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  573. john air It takes 15-16 seconds for the P85D to get to 200kmh. 14-15 seconds in good circumstances. The old RS6 does it in 13.5.The new one does it in 12.1.
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  574. relentless5321 You can still see people doing 200mph in 500hp C63 w204s on snapchat so I'm sure you can do way above 120mph in a 700hp car.
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  575. relentless5321 I'm talking about the United Kingdom @DmoDeejay(I think that's his name) knows of someone who does 200mph in his delimited C63. On the motorway, it's really easy to get to 110mph unless you're in a 1.0 Ford Fiesta. In a Golf R, you can do 120mph on an A Road, forget about the motorway.
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  576. From dyno.
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  577. Charleston Silverman I have a S Sedan, I will post pictures and I think you should definitely buy a S Coupe if you still have the money.
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  578. Kingsley Mpofu No video, but it describes it in good detail.
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  579. Mr Kruger To correct you, the S Class IS more technologically advanced than any BMW and this guy said it is more technologically advanced than the coupé.
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  580. Dheevesh M Its already beaten the Continental GT in reviews
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  581. Petar Stankovic The Porsche is faster, more of a drivers car, whereas the S Class is more of a luxury car. The S Class has more legroom, headroom, both with 2 rear seats and 3 rear seats, its got more finer, and smoother leather, it's got a sound system which has been upgraded from the Panamera, smoother ride e.t.c as well as being crowned luxury car of the year.
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  582. Burmester upgraded that stereo for the S Class and it's also 1540 watts. The burmester low is free and is better than the free panamera system. The Porsche has standard leather while the Mercedes has nappa leather then exclusive designo. The S Class sedan is the competitor to the Panamera. If I wanted a fast car I can use for my family I'd get a panamera or model s but I wanted pure luxury so the s class it is. I also hope the s class convertible is hard top as I've reserved a place.
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  583. ***** What are you talking about? The Bentley Continental is the same price as the S Coupe.
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  584. Ram Simon If one car was more expensive, it would be the S Coupe, unless you talk about the GT3-R which to be honest NO ONE has.
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  585. Continental GT V8 - £123,850 Mercedes S63 Coupe - £124,065 
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  586. Its because the S Class and the S Coupe cost a lot more in the UK. It cost me $130,000 dollars to buy a S350 in the UK. That could have bought me a S63 in America after discounts.
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  587. Quarter mile in 12.2 for ZL1 and quarter mile in 11.2 for the SLS.
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  588. Taha Alhashemi So what? Thats 15-25% drivetrain loss which means roughly 600hp. 588RWHP ZL1s are doing quarter miles in 11.43. The SLS is still faster.
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  589. Taha Alhashemi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATdRgnMZoq4 Thats got good enough mods, and is still slower than the SLS, as well as have 80 more RWHP than yours. Talking about roads, you will have trouble putting down the full power to the ground as its RWD. Tractions going to be a problem since it's a tuned car. If its beaten on the track then it will also be beaten on the road, unless one car has drag slicks which neither of the them had. You may beat a C63 with a tune, which has 430ishRWHP but not a supercharged C63. 
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  590. Taha Alhashemi "Normal" ones, or the extreme such as the Hoosier A6 or g-Force R1s? I'm guessing you've done quarter miles when you've tuned your car and got drag tyres. Many C63s have superchargers, including record holders who do the quarter mile in under 10 seconds. PP Performance, if I remember correctly, should be local to you and would probably be happy to race you.
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  591. Because London is a small circleish area. Some of them went to collect their friends and go for dinner at night, after being seen in the day.
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  592. burningbum More often that not it is their company. They either made it with their dad or they inherited it. Also, I think they need special insurance to take it round the track.
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  593. FzaaaR No, not really. They are driving around with their friends on a day out. Yes, it is unnecessary to take more than one car but they bought these cars for a reason.
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  594. thoravian "Dynamic Drive. Supreme agility, unwavering stability and unmatched comfort on bends: the active chassis control system Dynamic Drive minimises body roll and distributes it between both axles, ensuring a comfortable ride for all occupants. Dynamic Drive uses active stabilisers on the front and rear axles to counteract the vehicle's tendency to roll in a corner. Working together with acceleration and position sensors, a management system and other components, such as a compensation tank for sound control, the system ensures supreme agility at all speeds, balanced reactions to load changes and remarkably precise steering. The stabilisers continually adapt to suit the driving situation and the changes to the vehicle's self-steering behaviour. For example, when driving on the straight, Dynamic Drive reduces the pressure of the stabilisers, treating them individually, so allowing for a highly comfortable ride - a particular benefit for rear-seat passengers. When cornering or making sudden changes of direction, a "sportier" setting will see the stabilisers increase the rigidity of the suspension relevant to the intensity of the lateral forces to prevent body roll. Roll distribution between the front and back axles also helps in difficult situations. Dynamic Drive ensures that the vehicle literally hugs the road, under- or oversteering is reduced - resulting in enhanced safety, greater comfort and an impressively dynamic driving experience." That's what BMW says Driving Dynamics is. Mercedes went one step further so as well as doing what it previously did, it has cameras which scan the road ahead and "tilt" or "lift" the body so you don't feel the bumps making it a comfortable ride. There is also curve assist, which does the same thing in the corners.
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  595. thoravian I wrote 4 lines. Do you know what copying and pasting is?
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  596. ***** They buy any car which attracts peoples attention and make lots of noise lol
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  597. Hen zo And the GT3 RS/AMG GT Black will beat the M4 GTS...
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  598. No standard M6 is doing quarter mile in 11.2 on non-prepared surfaces
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  599. Jack Brand It depends on surfaces e.t.c. The E63 S was claimed to do 0-60 in 3.6/3.5. In reality it can do 3.2/3.3. The C63 has already beaten the M3 in a drag.
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  600. BarbellStrength For Heitmanntech, a guy with a Gallardo above 1000hp, he told me that he had got 38mpg on a run and around 14mpg when on power.
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  601. Tiger Teeguarden Free money? Do you know how much money they get from the government?
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  602. 2jz power! That's a British car I think.
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  603. rfayed Ahead for most of the race? The race was 1 mile. It wasn't even ahead for a quarter mile. It only got ahead in the start due to a slower reaction time.
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  604. Yung Dro Like?
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  605. Will it be 2 litre? Nope.
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  606. Waleed Shehadeh The A45 is in early stages, whereas the S3/RS3 has been in development for ages. Wait for the new A45 which will soon be finished. Also, this car does 0-100km in 4.6 seconds tested, and its more than likely the RS3 will be a bit slower than what they say it will be. If they had the same horsepower it is more than likely the A45 would win.
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  607. Martin Merstrand What the fuck... 0-100kmh in 1.8? What are you smoking. You need a 2000hp gtr to do that.
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  608. Thao Nguyen M2 wouldn't work, since it can't be faster than the M4 and with over 380hp, the A45 will eventually be in M4 category and with a simple tune will beat it.
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  609. eliot gustafsson As a first car, you would if you drove a CLA45, whether you've been egged on by your friends or you want to see the limits of the car.
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  610. mftgdeserteagle You could get Distronic, aka this, before 2001 on a Mercedes CL.
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  611. mftgdeserteagle Sorry, thought you were talking about that. Dynamic drive is anti body roll, like when changing lanes. It reacts to the movement. Magic Body Control scans the road using CAMERAS and adjusts to the road before.
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  612. AWD should be coming soon. They claimed they couldn't do it due to space issues but it appears that adjustable AWD is coming on the higher end Mercedes' models.
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  613. Maybe the A Class or the G Wagon, but not the C63 as seen in this video.
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  614. And I wonder why they stopped using it...
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  615. ***** Can't you tell sarcasm...
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  616. mainlymusicman I doubt that this video was done correctly. The RS7 has been proven to go faster, same as the C63.
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  617. BoostedBlast96 Say that to JRCarts CLK63 Black
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  618. Yeah, it's got over 1000whp I think and is the fastest Mercedes around. 
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  619. Its faster in a straight line because its lighter. Otherwise the C63S Sedan is much faster than the M4, forget about the much lighter C63S Coupe.
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  620. Heavy piece of shits that can't take a corner? It won the acceleration and track battle against the M3 on motortrend.
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  621. I'm talking about the new C63. It beat the M3 in a track and acceleration.
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  622. What companies offer stage 4 options? I'm assuming that's upgraded turbo, but who offers it?
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  623. Tripod I wouldn't be surprised if it was an e500. The owners dad is worth around 10 billion dollars I think lol.
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  624. Franck Fallateuf It is competition pack
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  625. DarkknightM4 Not all the time, a m3 with the same spec but it had ccb was 17lb lighter than a m4.
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  626. DarkknightM4 Ah my bad, the coupe is about 30kg lighter than the sedan as ccbs have a 15lb difference which basically evens out both cars, but the m4 had half a tank of fuel which is 30l compared to the relatively empty m3 which means 20kg difference.
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  627. Yoko Ritona It’s all subjective bro, I love the S Class’ and have since 2000. I have a friend who swears by the S8, and I can see why he loves it. People have different perspectives and its impossible to be non-bias
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  628. Yoko Ritona No one can ever decrown the S Class, they all lost in 1972. I enjoyed the new A6 compared to the old one, didn’t feel any quality issues but it was a short term loaner so maybe you’re talking from long term experience. The new A8 is definitely much nicer for driving ‘sportier’ and I think it’s always been like that. I haven’t tried a facelift S63 yet but apparently its 100x better than the prefacelift.
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  629. Yoko Ritona I’ve tried a prefacelift 7 and it had a decent amount of what the s class was missing. I think in the end, consumer choice defines what they think is best as an overall package, and the s class has dominated everything else in sales to an extent where you can’t even say they compete. Of course, these reviews and your experience will impact your decision, but there hasn’t been a car I’ve had that I’ve loved more than the S Class, I’m hoping to wait until there’s used Flying Spur hybrids available and that’s the only place I think I’ll find a good replacement
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  630. Yoko Ritona I didn’t realise BMW had managed to increase sales, a few years ago you could combine the opposition and still barely get the S Class. Sorry, my not compete was too broad, I meant the s class has a name attached to it now, and as long as Mercedes can uphold its name and attraction they’ll stay in the lead
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  631.  @joshbacon8241  The UK loses a lot of options for most Mercs compared to other countries; you have to order a RHD from abroad or Mercedes world(or specific dealers I believe) to get certain colours/options
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  632. NSUScooter The only car in this category that I would think of getting is the Audi A8, not much else provides a similar experience, the 7 is nice though. You guys are saying other cars are better without providing any information, my 20 year old CL had features missing in this genesis lol. I’ve been in g90s and ls500s in Dubai, they’re the standard hotel transportation as well as the S Class and Rolls Royce depending on where you’re staying. If I thought it was better I’d have one. The appeal of the extended warranty is why Genesis does it, Mercedes is all about profit for future, Ive extended my warranty as I do with most items I own and still haven’t found a time where its been needed.
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  633. SiiCkLyXXAmAZiiNG Sales indicate the success of a car, if it is as great as a car at a bargain price as you are claiming, people should be jumping all over it no? People keep saying it’s because of it being a s class, that’s the point. The s class is known as the best, and everyone else wants to buy the best. That’s genesis fault for not being reputed as so.
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  634. SiiCkLyXXAmAZiiNG This car only competes with luxury cars, hence the video title lol. The luxury car is not niche, it sold over 100,000 units in its first year which as a comparison is more than 3 years worth of 911s. Come central London and there won’t be a road without one. This video is meant for luxury cars, don’t know why you’re talking about car enthusiasts and other cars here...
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  635. SiiCkLyXXAmAZiiNG What? Why would someone who wants a luxury car go for a Porsche or an audi rs?? Imagine going on a 911 turbo s video and saying the wraith is the better car looll
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  636. SiiCkLyXXAmAZiiNG This video has nothing to do with car enthusiasts, it’s to do with luxury cars. I’ve been in a g90 and ls500 in Dubai, so have many of my friends and family. I have yet to find someone who says either are better than the s class, there’s also forums for both marquees which you can look at too, but I can’t find anyone who says what you do, in fact this is a quote about the Lexus from an article vs the s class “The enormous 2,340kg kerbweight, caused partly by the heavy battery pack, means it starts to lose its control and composure over undulations at higher speed, though, while the adaptive dampers and air springs can’t isolate the worst thumps because the rather ostentatious wheels clatter over harsher ridges.”.
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  637. You would need a hummer to block the gate and more than 30 blokes to take the cars:)
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  638.  @jorgemtds  They're not really socialist though? Look at the top 15 tax haven lists, there's the Netherlands, Switzerland, Ireland, Cypres, Luxembourg etc. The Nordic Countries people keep using as Socialist examples actually practice free-market economics paired with high taxes. As we can see right now, America is currently crucifying companies that would otherwise thrive in free market economies
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  639.  @naab8485  The effect of having more power vs more weight isnt a 1:1 ratio with speed. It helps a little with acceleration at the start but it isnt anything like you assume lol.
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  640.  @straightshootah7550  Im sorry, what?? The 7 Series is definitely for older people relative to the S Class, look at any luxury blog and see what young people like being chauffeured in. The ultra rich in RRs and the rich in S Class'.
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  641.  @lukayonny5898  The GT63s is 100% faster than the E63s. There's a video of speedometer view of GT63s proving it.
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  642.  @lukayonny5898  The video has the new GT63s going slower than certain S63s which I'm sure you know isnt possible lol. Theres other videos of dashboard view and caranddriver times of it.
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  643. The S Class isn't a boat lol, I love driving mine and so do most other owners on MBWorld. You're the only one it seems who thinks the 222 is a boat to drive.
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  644.  @questionyourself718  I drive my S Class nearly everyday and have access to a 7 Series and am really confused what you're talking about. Nearly every other review says the complete opposite, if you search on Google 7 Series vs s class you'll find that they all say the s has a better ride comfort and that the rear seats are more comfortable with the a8 being closer in those aspects to the s class. Also, what do you mean numb and doesn't allow movement? The S Class has an incredibly smooth "handling", especially compared to the horrible 221. The 7 Series was definitely better to drive as a sporty vehicle though.
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  645. My bad. The S Class absorbs them, and as you said has incredibly light steering for a vehicle of its weight but it doesn't give much in the way of feedback.
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  646.  @aidenp5768  Where's someone got 10.6 on a m5 comp?? The first tuned m5s were getting that lol.
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  647.  @anonymoustravelvidz  Lol? A rwd 510hp amg got beaten by a 610+hp 4wd bmw. Were you expecting a different outcome??
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  648.  @anonymoustravelvidz  Theres no way a rwd car with less power can beat an awd car with over 100 more horsepower regardless of weight.
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  649.  @80s_Boombox_Collector  My S350 is now 5 years old, had it since new and done over 30k miles on it and have only had an issue with the sunroof seal, I have other nice cars now but there will always be a S in the family.
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  650.  @theangrycheeto  The S is only used for my 200+ mile family journeys. The A4 and A3 are less than 5 years old and have 70000+, and my new Vogues already on 1000+.
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  651.  @duffydon1741  Where did you get that info from?? The GT63s was quicker than the M5 cp in thr only test theyre compared in, and has a quicker lap record than the M5 cp on the track they both have data for??
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  652.  @duffydon1741  and why dont you look at the autobild documented comparison of these 2 cars...
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  653.  @duffydon1741  So autobild isnt a proper comprison?? Are the lap times not proper comparison either from the nurburgring or the sportauto test?? From what I can see the GT63s wins until a little past the quarter mile at which point the M5 wins with its top end, something seen with the E63s too. Also, no one thinks the M5 is bad?? Its reached a point where these cars are so similar that minute performance differences are barely noticed and and its about preference.
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  654.  @popsandbangs8858  G90 : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/2018_Genesis_G90_rear_4.24.18.jpg Elantra : https://file.kelleybluebookimages.com/kbb/base/house/2005/2005-Hyundai-Elantra-RearSide_HYELASED052_505x375.jpg 2009 S Class : https://www.netcarshow.com/Wald-Mercedes-Benz_S-Class_W221_Black_Bison-2009-1600-11.jpg You tell me which two look most like each other
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  655. lol first he can not really fit in the back and second if he did the flames from the cars would send him hospital
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  656. Zanic L3 Yeah, insurance paid the lease company
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  657.  @henzo7087  What times are you looking at bro, you’re wrong?? Its 3.89 for the M5 vs 3.45 for the GAD GTR
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  658.  @henzo7087  0.4 second difference 100-200kmh is a BIG difference when we’re talking under 4 seconds
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  659. Braden McHenry I drive mine nearly everyday. I don't have active body control but I haven't experienced what you claimed at any point except on a one lane carriageway in the early morning.
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  660. Braden McHenry Don't understand how you can drive a car once and come to that conclusion, whilst you can go on mbworld and see what people who drive this car everyday think. Half the comments here are reporting issues of the s class but when I ask for evidence, or I offer to go check for them no one says anything lol.
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  661. the helper of the peopledems My MBWorld account is UrBusted, I have a video of my car and can make another one for you right now. Apparently you don’t own one looll
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  662. the helper of the peopledems I’m not offended, you literally said “unless you’ve actually owned a merc”, which I have videos and pictures of on MBWorld. You can ask anyone on the w222 forum about their quality, I haven’t seen many comments supporting what you said lol
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  663. the helper of the peopledems Yes, I’m saying I don’t agree with your comments about quality and that the majority don’t agree. If they did the S Class wouldn’t be the worlds most sold luxury sedan. Feel free to look at comparisons on the g11 bimmerpost forums as well if you just think I’m being bias
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  664. Marcel Lukačić I never said the 7 series is bad quality, I’ve said that 7 class owners on the 7post think both the 7 series and s class are good quality cars without the issues he said. ​ About your other comment, my x308 jaguar xjr rusted, as did my LP Range when it was taken over by Ford, e39 530i sport, 2003 e320 etc. The 2000s were very bad for rust on all cars being produced
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  665. Marcel Lukačić I’ve opened my s350 to retrofit Burmester 3D and haven’t suffered from any of what you’ve said. Tell me where or what you want me to check for creaks, rattles and is flimsy and I’ll go stress test it for you right now, record it and post the link here. My only issue is with the wood trim since I had to rip it off to access the subwoofer in the passenger footwell and I couldn’t put it back in like factory
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  666. Marcel Lukačić https://www.7post.com/forums/showthread.php?s=8094dd17c56325a5ee598fcc181837b6&t=1600184 Here’s one of them btw, it’s also strange how you’re trying to tell someone’s who’s done tens of thousands of miles in last few years in one that the car “creaks and rattles”. Any manufacture can make a few cars which have reliability issues, thats the exception not the norm. Within that thread you'll find people that love their 7 series, and others which suggest the S Class as an alternative, there is no such thing as a 'better' car since its all about preferences and sometimes bad experiences.
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  667.  @marcellukacic5221  Yeah, runflats are shit and they've put them on all high end BMWs/Mercedes. The S350 came with 19" runflats, I changed them for 20" Pirellis with Vossen CVTs and the cars 'driving characteristic' changed completely. What I'm trying to say is that people with both cars will have rattles but its a small minority. You said 'Mercedes', which is why I replied with that. I haven't seen or been in many w213 E63s with build quality problems, if I remember there was a suspension issue in all 2017 cars which would cause it to make noises but there was a recall. The main creaking noise I've seen from E63s/M5s/RS6s is because of CCBs, which I'm surprised people still don't understand
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  668. Marcel Lukačić Yeah, they’re continental contisport runflats, it’s meant to be a performance tyre but that makes no sense. https://i.ibb.co/PjQpRP1/1-B62-B27-C-D4-CB-43-FB-89-BE-31-C83065-C4-A8.jpg
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  669.  @nn-hz5cp  You can get next to 700whp with dp
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  670.  @AK-rx6hv  I’ve had many other cars, here’s my old 16 s8 with my s350 https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbworld.org-vbulletin/750x1334/s8s350_jpeg_4c9eb54ba914eda095fbb110964e3dc3f34948f3.jpg
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  671.  @AK-rx6hv  As a “sports car” it lacks and the 7 series excels at that, I’ve never thought of it like that as I have more suited cars. The S Class is meant to be a luxury car and to me is one of the most relaxing cars to drive, and as a luxury car I believe it has always been the benchmark in that segment except from a small time in both the 220 and 221 generations. From what you’re saying it sounds like you’d enjoy a panamera turbo, RS7 or m5.
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  672. They showed the video after he already kicked down, hence the car had already downshifted as the Porsche did already
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  673. iggibars I get 50+ UK mpg in my s350 at 80-90mph, it is SWB though, don’t think they’re going to make SWB anymore
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  674. sir georgio alastrata I promise you they don’t lol, this does not look like what most s class owners I know will change to, there was a thread on mbworld and 7board about this car
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  675. sir georgio alastrata You’re right though, there are some s class owners who would switch, but I meant the majority since this car is more “comparable” to the e and cls where
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  676. Doing it in a way that’s of good quality whilst maintaining profit makes houses at prices which people can’t afford
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  677. J H On estates like the one in the video, sure, but the smaller developers aren’t able to cut corners due to the scrutinisation and should they build less units, the whole ordeal becomes unprofitable
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  678.  David Topchiev  Superior? Since I got my w222 I've had a S8 and a RR Autobiography, and a test drive of the 7 Series. I don't know who told you the competitors are in 'many ways superior' but they're not. Also, the W220 was definitely not the most fun S Class to drive, S Class' haven't really surprised me but the W222 did, it's a very nice car to drive
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  679. David Topchiev Ah so you’re into the older cars, I hated the w220, there were so many faults so I don’t get why people are saying it was one of the most reliable generations etc. I’ve always found the S Class’ better cars than their competitors except the 221 where I preferred the d3 a8. From what you like I believe you’ll enjoy driving the Lexus LS.
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  680. David Topchiev I was making a different statement about reliability since it’s what I hated about it, also it’s forums and enthusiast boards like Jalopnik who have some articles about the 220 that have claimed great reliability which I can’t relate to. I appreciate your views and am sorry about the misjudgement, if you love the way the LS is and loved the 220 S Class the most I can see why the 223 doesn’t interest you. Back to your original statement, out of the S Class and it’s modern competitors, it is the S Class I believe to be the best and others on mbworld and even some on 7post share the same views. Here’s my S and 15/16 S8 for reference: https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbworld.org-vbulletin/245x435/s8s350_jpeg_4c9eb54ba914eda095fbb110964e3dc3f34948f3.jpg
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  681. WUHOO WUHOO WUHOO
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  682. If the ES750 was running its typical times the GTR wouldn't have been near it. Car was probably spinning too much at launch.
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  683.  @davissilvestrs1996  I've already shown you the GT63S beat it when they ran it again on the track, where they said it was better than the M5 CP on the track. It's closer to the 700hp stripped M5 than it is to the M5 CP lol.
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  684.  @davissilvestrs1996  You say this and then say the M5 CP was quicker in the quarter mile by another publisher, who used different tyres, different conditions etc. You need to stop coming up with these excuses...
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  685.  @davissilvestrs1996  Also, no one compares track times with same conditions, tires etc. They compare the best times available for the car at the time, you don't see people complaining that the Aventador SVJ, 918 and GT2 RS were on different tyres, were done on different conditions etc. You can't compare two laps in the way you're suggesting, even with the same driver on the same day with the same tyres, the driving lines taken, the confidence of the driver etc will never be the same. The GT63S is currently faster than the M5 CP around the track.
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  686.  @davissilvestrs1996  Which 'objective automotive publication' does this? Mclaren for example only uses Pirellis and gives their cars to publishers with them. The AC Schnitzer with a professional racing driver, tyres, stripped interior and a tune is less than .90 of a second ahead of the GT63S time compared to the GT63S to M5 CP difference of just under 2 seconds. There's only so much you can contribute to the tyres. BMW could have made the Cup 2s an option if they wanted to like Mercedes has. Being objective, they have to test cars how they are offered by the manufacture.
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  687.  @davissilvestrs1996  You say Autobild uses the same tyres in head to heads and in the same sentence showed that they don't. 1 second can be gained from anything, tyre temperature, wind, surface temperature etc. On a M2, one second can easily be a little wheelspin which you won't get on 4wd cars. They test cars how they're given, for example Mclaren with Pirellis. Mercedes offers different tyres dependent on wheels etc. For one test they may use the 19" pzeros, the 20" pilot sport 4s or the other 20" cup 2s. They run what they're given. The AC M5 was 700hp(itll obviously be more irl as all german cars) not 650ps, which is 60hp+ more, and they stripped the interior, in total making it hundreds of lbs less than the GT63s.
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  688.  @davissilvestrs1996  But that still proves head to head races don't use the same tyres. The dealer fit tyres they have, the 19" pzeros wont fit on a 20" wheel. They didn't even want to change the runflats. The AC M5 is 691bhp, you can email them if you want, its also reduced weight, got a spoiler, new springs, and lightweight wheels. Youre also the only one coming up with excuses like tyres. Regardless, the GT63s has a faster time the fastest standard M5. We dont complain how the SVJ was faster than the 918 because it was done months later. Even a 10 minute difference in performing the lap can cause a difference. So whats your excuse for the GT63s beating the same AC M5 at the Nurburgring??
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  689.  @davissilvestrs1996  I never made those excuses bro, you'll never get cars on the same cycle, its like when there was F10 vs W213. Im more than happy to admit M5 CP is faster than the E63S without any excuse. If ring times are meaningless, why aren't all track times? Coughing in the car can make you judder which you have to correct which takes longer than a second. Being more confident by spending hours in the car over laps can decrease the time by a second. If you are an enthusiast that drives cars on tracks then you should be the first to understand that although nice for pub talk, times or performance doesn't mean anything, its about how the car makes you feel.
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  690. Kristoffer Johnsen The M5 Competition has the exact same problem, shown in the M8 vs M5 and more videos. The GTR has it, the Gallardo used to have it, and I’m quite sure if you put the R8 or Huracan through the same thing they’ll eventually get it, the only guarantee i can make is the 911 turbo s won’t even have that issue lol
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  691. Kristoffer Johnsen Theres no M5 CP in this video?? Different cars have different qualities, I haven’t had the issue in the e63s or m5s I’ve driven but carwows had it happen more than once. Btw disregard my huracan and r8 comments.
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  692. I still have my 14 and have had no major recalls lol
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  693. I did but can't find any comparisons lol. The only video shows a 'race' where the m760 gets to 62 first and then to 124 and past the s63 wins.
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  694. I promise you people who buy these cars watch these videos
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  695. bart bart If you watched or understood the video you’d see that both the M8 and M5 are tuned cars...
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  696. Mihrali Demir The standard rolling race was won by the GT63s though?
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  697. Mihrali Demir It won the rolling race though?? You said the M8 won easily, it obviously didn’t
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  698. Chatta290 I'm interested in which dealers offering 7 series with massaging seats, 4 zone climate control, keyless go etc as standard options. If that's true I'll go sell my s class and get a 7 series right away. I'm also interested in which mercedes dealer said the e class is better than the s class at anything except size, since I hated the e class loaner I had, albeit not well optioned. I also challenge you saying that private individuals prefer the 7 series, a8 and jag over the s class. I can give an open invitation to my area where we can go compare how many private s class' there are compared to all aforementioned vehicles COMBINED. My S Class does also do 50mph, granted 0-60 is somewhere in the 6 second range.
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  699. Chatta290 I looked at the the BMW standard equipment highlights and the features you mentioned are only standard on the m760li xdrive. Still a bit confused as to which technology the dealer is referring to, oh well I guess they needed to move some E Classes. I'm also willing to guarantee there are more private s class' in Bristol than the other vehicles except possibly the range rover.
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  700. Chatta290 I really don't know what you're talking about. The features you mentioned weren't on my list when looking for one, and I'm quite sure I've never seen anyone on any of the Mercedes' forum asking one. The document you're talking about proves that the 7 series doesn't have more features as standard and Audi Connect is essentially the same as Mercedes Me. Also, people do look for technology on Rolls Royce'. I only have 20 minutes experience with a Wraith Black Badge but from that I could tell it was lacking in the technological area. In the end I didn't really care since the ambience and feeling of the RR was second to none.
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  701. Chatta290 The document clearly says in the last page, "m760li xdrive v12" "massaging feature, rear".
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  702. Depends on how the cars specced, best specced one I’ve seen that looks absolutely beautiful is Prince Badr Bin Sauds black s500 amg line with the 21” whees
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  703. I have a non AMG S and it's impossible to change gears with the gear selector whilst driving lol.
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  704. Hasan Al-habbobi You are quite right in saying the s class is extraordinary, and is by far the best car for your money for these aspects. I have to disagree with the rest of your statements due to first hand experience, which I can provide evidence of. I recommend you sit in one at a showroom, all the ones I've been to are very welcoming. Please forgive my handwriting : https://ibb.co/mwSDVG
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  705.  @saevitumhd7422  and look at the autobild review and what they did with the same cars
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  706. Guybrush Threepwood Are you really trying to say that someone who has a s63 doesn't go above 120mph more than twice?? Come to Birmingham or Manchester and I'll show you that it's fine more than twice daily. Are you really trying to tell me a car with 22" wheels with a harsher air suspension, bring a premium sports sedan, is softer than a premium luxury sedan with 20" wheels? Also go onto mbworld w222 forums and you'll see people who switched from a model s lol.
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  707. Sebastiano T Sorry for coming off as rude. Neither of our opinions would change from what the other would say on YouTube anyway, I dislike electric cars due to the lack of good interiors in them, but the s class in 2 generations would probably be electric so it's inevitable my views will change. Also, I have a late 14 s350, hopefully something better soon.
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  708.  @uross2000  Which means that its not better for heavy usage as this video shows...
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  709.  @uross2000  Its optional extra, I guess Bentley and Porsche didnt give them a car with it, otheewise you're right, the Bentley might've won
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  710. Saltyfruit What are you talking about?? It’s a 20-30+k build to get 100-200 in 4 seconds, anyone who says they can get 100-200 in a m4 with just 1000 euro turbo kit is gonna destroy their car on the first pull lol. You need connecting rods, forged pistons, porting, clutches, axles, driveshafts, turbo, fuel pumps, port injection, downpipes, intake, r888s and more. The first 3 things I listed cost 16k for just engine.
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  711.  @diceyyytv  That’s like saying wait for the Taycan Turbo S upgrade that’ll make the Model S Plaid look like a wimp, don’t say something that can’t currently be proven
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  712. DBoy 37 Have you drove any of the aforementioned cars??
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  713. DBoy 37 Haven't had the pleasure of driving a 7 series but have been a passenger, I've drove the other two and as of 2015 could safely say the s class was the best(at least for me). I don't see how people can say one car is better than the other when a) one of these cars got released to the public this week whilst the other isn't out and b) most of them haven't sat or drove either car. Opinions statements are different to facts lol.
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  714. DBoy 37 Sorry, thought you were the guy that said that, didn't read whole comment section
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  715. Sjors The Taycan is definitely more sportier to drive than the Model S, the Tesla is a lot more spacious hence practical for some but it’s handling can’t touch the Porsche and you can feel it’s size
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  716. Everyone regardless says the M5 is more comfortable than the E63S, the E63S provides a completely different driving experience which is why it's much loved. Also, there's no way the GT63S is slower than a RWD factory S63, wait for actual track times lol.
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  717.  @davissilvestrs1996  You need to read any of the new numerous reviews on this car and look at what they say about it compared to its current rivals before saying it's only a straight line car lol.
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  718. S350 pre facelift had SWB, everything else has always been lwb, and then maybach is even longer.
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  719.  @santana9537  Matt said he didn’t like the trim and the speaker grille, both of which can be changed through options lol
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  720.  @xxbmwxx3073  I feel like that’s been said about every generation of s class, from 220 to 221, 221 to 222 and now 222 to 223. I’ve loved the new generation as much as the last in every case, can’t wait to get a 223 when options start becoming available again.
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  721. There's a race where the S Class beats the 7 Series on YouTube I swear lol
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  722. Arthur Dardalis I’ve done 80k in 221s and am on collective 50k on a second 222, I still love driving it, it’s still clean and the only leather wear is on the back two seats. There’s no luxury car including the autobiography for under 130k that makes me feel the same way that this car does.
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  723.  @Todd.T  People have different tastes, there’s posts on audizine about why they preferred the rs6 to the e63s and posts on mbworld about why they preferred the e63s to rs6. The only Audi I prefer to its comparatives is the RS3. Also they’ll always catch you with their new system, my apparently undetectable tuning box on a S3 got caught on a TB1. Their ODIS system is getting smart. I was speaking to my tuner about another car and he told me to buy another ECU and get it immobilised.
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  724. David Topchiev I’ve had a few s classes in the last few years and have had none of the problems you’ve spoken about. My most recent one is a 222 s350 with over 35k miles and the only issue I’ve replaced the sunroof seal twice under warranty. None of these rattles, squeaks, body flex or numerous electrical issues you speak of. I’m interested though, which electrical issues are you talking about? I haven’t seen many in the new s clas
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  725.  @questionyourself718  Here; https://youtu.be/8VdYxORPT9s?t=1088. The GT63 S E is still a heavy pig but when people start testing them I don't doubt it'll go even lower. It's too rare of a car for us to get any numbers from, who wants to spend 180k GBP on it
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  726. My CL600 from 20 years ago had features this cars missing, what are you talking about??
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  727.  @ziggamon  2017 Genesis G90s are already at Ford Fiesta prices, I see the appeal in that respect to be honest
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  728. stubones Power to weight is neglected at higher speeds, you saw what happened then lol. The panamera won the drag because Porsche’s AWD system is, in my view the best, the electric boost didnt harm it either.
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  729. You’re talking quickness, the title says fastest. Only things that compete are the urus which this is based on or the bentayga
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  730.  @jbaru648  The 7 Series and 5 Series look exactly the same, what are you talking about?
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  731.  @jbaru648  It was the same over a decade ago, most people saying they don't like it are recent enthusiasts
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  732.  @DoSum4Me  They use rollout, same way a Tesla did 0-60 kn under 2.3 lol
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  733. Kaisuke971 The standard C63 with the same "tuning" doesn't launch as well as this. This, due to lower weight and other things let's it do the quarter mile in 9.5, something the standard GAD C63s are struggling for, I think.
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  734. Ismail Avata There's a 675lt making close to that in Birmingham
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  735. Shar0n9 I posted the 911 GT3, and the reviewer said it out of ALL Porsches. Also, the 911 turbo s has 580 hp.
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  736. Shar0n9 The 4.8 is in a cayenne and that's not even 600bhp lol. Also, every manufacture understates their power. The GTR is meant to be 585bhp but puts down 630. The 911.1 turbo s put down 500whp when it was meant to do less.
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  737. Panamera doesn't compare to the S Class, it's not a full luxury sedan. It's comparable to the CLS63, which is now the AMG GT63S, and then I guess the Turbo S compares to the AMG GT73
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  738. Braden McHenry So how did you find out how comfortable the new s class is relative to the new a8? I haven't been able to get a test drive of either yet.
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  739.  @caidee  lol?? I literally just said what you said...
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  740.  @Nico-84  Which bs calculations is everyone using?? It did 110-200 from 2000rpm in under 4.5 seconds, its definitely 750+hp. Which 750hp sls' are doing 100-200 without a roll in under 5 seconds??
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  741. 007xDlol Had a 11 14 and now 19 and can’t relate...
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  742. Tee Pee My dads 19 autobiography came with wrong speced interior so they gave us another 200 mile car to use until they could reorder him one. Mercedes just tried giving us a free service and some cushions when something similar happened lol.
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  743. You're misinformed, Shmees videos have sometimes been linked to on MBWorld on the S Class subforum
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  744.  @jamiec4478  The M5 Competitions more expensive than the E63S by minimum 5k in the UK lol
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  745.  @freddiejones4598  M5 CP is definitely faster than the E63S but if you're saying theres no videos of the E63S winning against the M5 you're a bit ignorant lol. If one car was really better than the other, then the other car should have no sales, right? There's a lot more to a car than statistics lol.
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  746.  @jamiec4478  https://www.bmw.co.uk/configurator go to BMW M5, £91,425, then change it to CP which is +£6,500. Without any other options that's £97925. https://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/passengercars/content-pool/tool-pages/car-configurator.html/motorization?rccVehicleModelId=2130422&rccNationalSalesType=GB1 scroll to E63S and you can see it for £92,250. I don't know where the prices in the video are from but 97925 - 92250 is >5000. You're also 10x more likely to get a better deal on an E63S which has been available for 2 years than a M5 CP thats been out for 2 months so you can't say they got more £££ off on the M5.
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  747.  @muhammed1673  I don't think you've driven either car to be making such assumptions... Look at comparisons by owners on MBWorld or f90 bimmerpost.
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  748.  @TheFreshkidd619  If you read any of the comments you’d find out that there’s no such thing as an e63 estate, and from 20 no such thing as an e63. The only proper Mercedes E Class AMG is the E63s which as shown here is faster than the rs6
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  749. Bruno Begic It is limited, my 2016 s8 wouldn’t go above the limiter and I wasn’t going to void the warranty but modifying it to do so
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  750.  다오  Looll a 2013 based A45 and a 2017 based RS3 are part of the same generation? A facelift doesn't mean anything, the RS5 last generation had a facelift a bit before the C63S and M4 came out, does that mean they were the same gen models too??
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  751.  @davissilvestrs1996  And once again the GT63S beat it in the quarter mile, 0-100, and every other speed measurement except 0-200 and 0-160 and, when they ran a quicker time with the GT63S on the same track again
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  752.  @seismica  You can't install anything in a car given to you by a manufacture as a loan looll
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  753.  @mranguria8848  What? The RS7 is prepared by Audi Sport GmbH which is Audis version of AMG
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  754.  @bigjml  Which dealer?? If theres a dealer offering greater than 35% off which is what you're saying, I'd be ready to get a new S right now, and I'm sure many others on mbclub would too lol
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  755.  @bigjml  Wow you were right, I called my dealer and he offered a 85k s350 amg line for 50k, he didnt offer the same when I was ordering a vogue late last year. I havent seen these issues you're claiming and are saying no ones addressing in mine or quite frankly anyone I know with a s350s car, neither on MBWorld or MBClub as well. I'm on about 40k on a 15 S350 and my only issues been the sunroof seal having to be replaced twice. Can you tell us more about these issue??
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  756.  @bigjml  By the way wth do you mean by they didnt give you a courtesy car?? The sunroof seal isnt safety and I got one, they did SCN coding which is 100% nothing to do with a fault and even then I was given a nice E loaner.
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  757.  @bigjml  I deal with Milton Keynes and Bolton, my local dealership offers the same service as what you got lol, in America your car would probably be classified a lemon and bought back
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  758.  @bigjml  Ive never heard of either issue on a 222 before. On the 221 there was an issue with the n0x sensor which causes gear issue, that was an easy fix but I highly doubt your story about gearbox and seatbelt issues, least of reasons being theyre definitely not as common as youre saying. Once they same issue has happened so many times to a single car Mercedes would take more "drastic" action, as would any brand
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  759. @L I didn’t say the car costs 20k, I said that the car was selling for 20k+ off ie 90k rrp car would sell for 70k
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  760. Unknown Participant Where was this material? I test drove a new wraith and was at the dawn black badge unveil "party" at goodwood and I didn't see it, neither did I feel how you felt at either events, and I can send a video or two to back my claims. Also, the s class is in no way overpriced, and they are less than 150k fully specced new, I don't know anyone who's ever paid msrp for a s class lol.
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  761. This doesn't do the 1/4 mile in 11.9, the S63 cabriolet is probably faster than that. Mercedes also wouldn't advertise a quicker time if it hasn't been tested a hundred times at their claimed speed.
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  762.  @zeshilyu8621  There's a video of the AMG GT63s accelerating much faster than in this video. Read reviews comparing it to the M5. I don't know about the M5 but this car is certainly faster than the GT63S.
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  763.  @Neojhun  At 75mph it does less than 300 miles. It takes less than 10 minutes to wait at a service station, relax and eat. 50 minutes is just prolonging the journey. There's potential electric stations but less than 0.1 of a percent would even consider installing an electric station now. For the price of a Model X theres many much more luxutious SUVs I'd use for long range travels.
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  764.  @davissilvestrs1996  Its not performance oriented, its a s class with e63s performance. Its much more comfortable than the m5. You obviously aren't reading what you're quoting as that article had the AMG GT63s doing the quarter mile in less than 11 seconds, quicker than the m5 cp in same conditions, and customers havent even got the car yet to set quarter miles in ideal conditions. As i said, it beat the m5 cp in 90% of performance metrics and only lost because of its price. The M8 wont be much faster if at all because its a gran cruiser, 7 series luxury with m5 performance. The gt63s doesnt even compete with the m5 cp, its meant to compare to the m8, panamera turbo, aston martin rapide etc
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  765.  @davissilvestrs1996  The M5 CP is slower than the GT63s on Sachsenring, look at the autobild review where they did it in 1.32.59. Wheres your info from? Also, the GT63S was faster from 0 - 50,80,100,130, 180 and the quarter mile. It was only drawn for 0-160 and got beat 0-100. Of course a car weighing 200kg more will lose on a braking test, but in the real world youre not gonna ask someone for a braking race looll.
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  766.  @davissilvestrs1996  Ah, yes, my bad. The m8 would smoke the AMG GT in a straight line all day long. Its got over 100hp less, Mercedes need to make the AMG GT 600hp+ to be competitive, but then it loses its rwd appeal. We have to wait for the gran coupe for the gt63s comparison. I also wouldnt mind losing by half a star for driving pleasure to a 200kg lighter sports sedan in a GT cruiser whilst being in a more luxurious environment.
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  767.  @davissilvestrs1996  You say the GT63s was quicker on the track because of different conditions, but the m5 cp when in the same conditions is slower to 62. Also, how can tires cause a difference for the GT63s greater than the AC M5 which has a 100hp more tune, interior stripped and tyres? My fathers had his name for one since the festival of speed nearly 2 years ago and hasnt even got a test drive yet, how do you expect customers to set records like the m5? How many of these cars have you driven? You cant quantize a 0.5 star difference in handling or pleasure, especially when comparing a luxurious gran cruiser to a super sports sedan. These cars aren't even meant to be compared. Bro, everyone has different feelings for the same car. You'll love the M5 like I love the GT63s. The Panamera Turbo S is slower and worse in most metric than both of these cars, and costs more than 50k greater. Still doesn't mean I'd ever pick a M5 over it.
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  768.  @davissilvestrs1996  Youtube ac schnitzer m5, for me the video is the fourth video down. Once again, if you say the M5 is faster head to head on the track, i can say the GT63s is faster head to head in the quarter mile and to 100kmh which are the most common measurements of car performance. This can go on forever but this is useless because no one heres changing their mind lol.
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  769.  @ichkommentiernurkommentare7237  Some luxury items are removed on the edition 1 as options which I'm guessing means less weight
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