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From what I can see from the comment section, political posturing continues as tragically usual.
Truth is yes there were cannibals, and human sacrifices, and slavery and genocides and abuse of religion as pretext for atrocities and there were also friendships, rescues, trades, gifts of knowledge and technology and culture. This is over 500 years involving dozens to hundreds of cultures. And we are dealing with fallen human beings all around. There is no simple matter of moral high ground for either side.
Yes some native cultures were morally backrupt in a variety of ways, and yes some genuinely great ones are gone. Yes the Europeans did slaughter many natives and did respect and benefit many.
`We gotta give up the hope of a better past.` To quote a priest of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal quoting from Finding Your Place in the Advent Story.
Nothing we do shall change the past, no amount of posturing will magically untangle the web of sin and virtue. We are not God, whether you believe in Him or not is irrelevant to the point if you are thinking of going there. My point is we do not have either perfect knowledge of the past nor any way to stand above those who came before us and pretend we are objectively better human beings without being hypocrites, liars, and deluded fools. We weigh the scales of justice across in this light in vain.
Yes there is objective moral truth and we can judge actions, but we can not judge hearts. And if we only become embittered and resurrect grudges and blood feuds, we do not go the way of God. Remember, no one can stand righteous before Him by their own merits. I say this admitting I am no better, but also seeing this entire venture of tallying dead men`s sins is futile and only drives open wounds that took centuries to begin healing.
Remember Christ upon the Cross, dying for love of we who are unworthy of Heaven, because He desires our good anyway. He calls us to do the same for every other person at all times. Rebuking the sinner is a spiritual work of mercy, but eagerly delighting in denouncing any man as intrinsically of no worth or beyond possible redemption is antithetical to the Gospel. Let the Just Judge, be judge.
God have mercy on us all. Through Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ, the Just Judge, and the Divine Mercy, for all humankind. Amen.
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Christiaan Baron There is a natural moral compass, we have an ingrained sense for good and evil, but this is not enough, so we developed philosophy, ethics and systems of morals, and these still are not enough. As a Christian I believe this is why we need God's grace. As a biologist I must say, we do not eat human flesh because it works against the survival of our species, undermines our social structure, and allows for the spread of incurable prions. From a philosophical point of view, we hold much more in common with other humans than other animals and we are able to relate on an intellectual, emotional,and social level and to infer from this a self-awareness that allows self-reflection and thus a greater dimension on the degree of distress caused by another like them using them as a source of bodily nourishment rather than a social companion. So it is exponentially more morally reprehensible to consume another human than if it were another animal. I hope that can help explain for you the reasoning behind these differences to most people. God bless you, sir.
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To my brother in Christ who replied to that person saying bluntly that the Lord shall punish them. I will not give a name since if you see this, I believe you shall I am addressing you and others need not know of it.
We are called to bring the Good News to people in Truth and Love and to love God with all of our heart, mind, and spirit, and for Love of God, to love our neighbor as ourselves.
We are called to love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute us.
What I am trying to say my brother in Christ is,
Do you really believe this kind of simplistic and blunt approach that can easily be mistaken as coming from a place of either superiority or hatred of the sinner rather than the sin, is going to fulfill our call to be Christ hands and feet on earth or prepare the way of the Lord by tilling the fields for the Seeds of the Spirit?
God bless you my brother in Christ. Amen.
P.S, This also does not mean I am saying you need to use the methods I am using here, or to not engage them just to be clear. And please pray for me and I shall pray for you and let us both pray for those under the enemy's tyranny of deception in the world this day.
God bless you again, my brother in Christ, in the Most Holy Name of the same Jesus Christ, our Blessed Lord and Savior, now and forever. Amen.
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@AtSafeDistance First of all, acting defensively out of fear for oneself and one`s loved ones is not stupidity, it is simply self-defense oneself and one`s loved ones. Also it was 70 years ago, our knowledge of the Universe let alone what aliens might be like was much more limited to what we know now. Knowledge of galaxies was only 40 years old at that point and we could barely imagine what it might be like out there. This is not to mention that much of what we know of quantum mechanics was barely mapped out and not proven at that time.
Besides if the aliens were truly benevolent and intelligent, they would not have been so readily antagonizing obviously scared people. If indeed they were aliens, I would not say that all the blame falls on the family. There were children in the house remember.
It is very easy to blame someone when you have not been in such a situation like that. Now if you have and did not, I apologize in advance.
But if you have not, imagine suddenly seeing beings that you do not understand coming to you at your home inside which, is your family who you see are scared and these beings arw acting erratically and doing strange things. It is not clear what they are and are not capable of. Don`t imagine it like a picture or video, it is a physical creature out there.
You have a gun and they are not going away. What else are you going to do?
If the aliens wanted to communicate, after the first bullet would have been a great time to say, write something in the ground or on a tree or the like. Or maybe just leave the people alone rather than continuing to come around after it is clear they don`t want you around.
If there is to be blame, it goes to both parties really. Just one of those risks when a first contact occurs.
I am sorry for the gruff response, but I felt it was necessary due to the nature of your anger and hateful judgement that I believe was an unfair and rash judgement.
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@DISTurbedwaffle918 Every man and woman you have, are, or shall ever see, or interact with, or hear of, or be influenced by or influence by your life, are made in God's Image and likeness and God loved each into being and desires them to forever be His sons and daughters, His children
Christ died for them and redeemed them, out of His unfathomable, incomprehensible, and unimaginable, Divine Love and Divine Mercy for us, breaking open even the pouring forth of the Lifeblood from His own.Most Sacred Heart.
Bring them to Him. And trust Him. Amen.
God bless you,my brother in Christ
I hope to meet you one day in Heaven. Fight the good fight of Faith. Through Jesus Christ, Our Lord Amen.
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@jonathanhall5061 I mean it isn`t like we don`t do it to other cultures including our own. As a Catholic, it pained me when I was watching a documentary about them excavating a 6th century site in England and how they left the bodies and dug them up. Moreso though, the Wikipedia article on the Catacombs of Rome quotes some articles speaking of the people in a very dehumanizing manner (using it instead of he, she, or them among other things). And knowing what I do about the history of the Faith, it is very painful to read such inhuman talk about people I consider my spiritual brothers and sisters. So, while not to the same level, this seems to be a ubiquitous problem in the field, and one that is relatively straightforeward to address on the whole.
As a scientist I understand the great amounts of knowledge we can get from analyzing the bodies of the dead, burial sites, and the like. But we really need to remember these are the remains of people, they are someone`s father, son, or mother or daughter. They had lives and thoughts and longings, and above all, they have an instrinsic dignity that we need to strive to uphold. I think going foreward it would be highly favorable to require attempting to rebury the dead taken up in excavations as best we are able to restore them to the condition they were found in. It likely will allow for greater insights into the mindsets of otherwise lost cultures in a way we could not otherwise pursuit as well.
What are your thoughts?
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@bill_the_butcher Right that does not answer the question since we know where they are buried and matched it with genetic and other proof.
And if you are questioning if Peter and Paul were real people, you very seriously need to learn some history because you are dangerously uninformed. Knowledge is the second element of defense against being lead blindly by what other people tell you, the other three being wisdom, prudential judgement, and critical thinking skills.
Don't blindly follow, know actual history because you are making mistakes that have been made by the thousands in generations past. There is almost no such thing as completely unbiased history, but you really seem to have swallowed some propaganda and taken it as truth.
Look around, we are not in a time period you can just idle by through, we are in a culture war and the uninformed are being manipulated. I am not saying be paranoid, I am just saying, learn to recognize peoples bias and when someone is tweaking the data or facts and manipulating the narrative for their own gain. Critical thinking skills are important, please take them seriously.
God bless you.
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I think you should be including cognitive scientists, more geberal complex systems experts, philosophers of various relevant disciplines, moral theologians, anthropologists, psychologists, hackers and ethicists.
We need a wide base approach to make sure this is a well-built as possible. If the wrong thing gets into the wild, it is game over for the Internet.
If it might go Strong in unexpected ways, treat it for what it is, a very alien intelligence of some kind. Being a glitchhunter has taught me, there are always flaws in human work. We need to minimize and corral the relevant ones here, because these glitches move and change.
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@michaelriverside1139 It`s not too surprising actually. Everyone has something of highest worth, of worthship, this is the older form of our word worship. There is a notion called hyperobjects that are essentially superhuman complexities, that comes up as an offshoot of complexity theory and chaos theory. That however is an unsurprisingly, complex subject, but may capture some of how this happens without denegrating its nature to something controllable or fully understandable.
More approachable is the psychological trend that if someone dedicates all of their time and comforms to a worldview, it is a human tendency to scale value with our time and effort spent. So our worship develops even in the absence of a named god. That is where the scientism, transhumanism and the like come into play. There is a certain manipulation going on however, some of these people are attempting to hijack the cultural development process. Thus they are attempting to control the narrative and what is the truth, by denying Truth exists, while ultimately manipulating what people think. It has unsurprisingly blown up in their face to an extent though.
Looking around, I see more of society fracturing along philosophical lines. Some societal bulkhead finally is giving way and we are seeing people making moves to fill the gap. But it never had to happen from a societal standpoint, it was pushed by people building polemics. Now ideological tribalism has arisen again in force. As for data and the like, on top of what I stated above, many of these people are not philosophically versed even though they are brilliant, so they do not realize the nature of logic or ideas and how we already have extensive wisdom in these areas. So they become unwitting worshippers, pulled along by their own ideologies as a result. I do not have an optimistic prognosis our society though if we continue this way, we are showing many signs of societal decay overall.
I will say I believe there is a spiritual dimension to this, but I will ask you, Do you want to discuss that aspect or not?
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@RoninTF2011 There has been talk of a non literal interpretation for almost all of Christian history. I can not speak for Jewish tradition. But given how common symbolic numbering was back in that time period and the genre of the work it seems highly unlikely to have been considered literal. One clue to take from Saint Augustine of Hippo is, there are nights and days before the sun and moon were created. Any human being knows the need for the Sun as the cause of the day, and the Moon's association with night. If we want internal proof anyway that the Jewish writers knew these things, we need just look at the Psalms or the stories of the Old Testament.
What Genesis is, is in part a liturgical procession, and a declaration that the things the neighboring nations worshipped as gods were created by God.
It does serve as a creation story but at least for parts, not a literal one.
Myth does not mean fiction, that idea comes ironically from the myth of the Enlightenment. Myth is something cultural, and provides wisdom and does speak of truths. Some may be of the natural sort, some moral, and some metaphysical.
What I am saying is that the response of calling the Biblical stories 'just a mythos' is just a reflection of the modern mythos, which, clearly is not pure fabrication, but is not a scientific repeatable experimental empirical fact either. It is upstream of that in truth. And if caricatured as a literalistic interpretation of itself, looks even more stupid than the strawman many make of the Biblical worldview.
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@RoninTF2011 There has been talk of a non literal interpretation for almost all of Christian history. I can not speak for Jewish tradition. But given how common symbolic numbering was back in that time period and the genre of the work it seems highly unlikely to have been considered literal. One clue to take from Saint Augustine of Hippo is, there are nights and days before the sun and moon were created. Any human being knows the need for the Sun as the cause of the day, and the Moon's association with night. If we want internal proof anyway that the Jewish writers knew these things, we need just look at the Psalms or the stories of the Old Testament.
What Genesis is, is in part a liturgical procession, and that the things on nature are created by God and so ought not be worshipped. It does serve as a creation story but at least for parts, not a literal one.
Myth does not mean fiction, that idea comes ironically from the myth of the Enlightenment. Myth is something cultural, and provides wisdom and does speak of truths. Some may be of the natural sort, some moral, and some metaphysical.
What I am saying is that the response of calling the Biblical stories 'just a mythos' is just a reflection of the modern mythos, which, clearly is not pure fabrication, but is not a scientific repeatable experimental empirical fact either. It is upstream of that in truth.
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@DISTurbedwaffle918 I highly recommend brother, to reflect and meditation upon in Lexio Divina, the passages of Holy Mass this day. Considering how the Lord says we are to deal with our enemies. Knowing the Lord can not be Just and be a hypocrite, consider what this means for His dealing with His enemies.
Also considering, though be would soon betray Him, the Lord Jesus still ate and drank witb Judas as well as many sinners including both prostitutes and tax collectors and scribes and Pharisees. And on the Cross He forgave those who killed Him.
Our enemyship to God is our doing, not His. God is Love and He wishes all to come to Him and died out of unfathomable, incomprehensible, and unimaginable Love and Mercy for us even as He declares judgement by being God among us and we respond by.Crucifying Him.
Christ's redemptiom is for all. We who are in Him must bring others to Him,,or else we are dead and bead no fruit. If we have not charity, we are nothing.
God bless you my brother Christ. As Christ has done for you, go and bring the Light of the World to those in this world, shrouded in darkness.
The well do not need the Physician, but the sick do.
God desires mercy, not sacrifice.
Immaculate Hearts of Jesus and Mary. I place my trust in you.
Lord Jesus, I trust in You. Amen.
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@Intelwinsbigly Stop thinking with the logic of this world. It does not matter what is done to us here, if we thrive, the Church soars, if we suffer She spreada as new shoots watered in the blood of the martyrs. It is not a matter of `modern` Christians, it is a matter of being Christ`s disciple or not. Fight with the weapons of God, not the world. The Lord will succeed, we our own power and ken, will always fail because we presume on God`s blessing if wr act on our own whims and initiatives. We are servants of God. We act as and when He says, not as we desire.
Fight as Christ does, upon the Cross, in obedience and meekness to God`s Divine Will and Providence and fighting for the Truth in Charity with faith and trust in God to succeed. Doing all we can yes, but NEVER departing from Christ`s teachings. For then we have already defected to Satan, our true enemy, and his army.
Trust in Christ, not your own efforts or plans.
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@daragildea7434 Our Lord called called the religious authorities of His day who did not recognize Him as the Son of God, and manipulated the law and observance practices to puff themselves up and make themselves important and 'wise' to the people, such things. That does not mean all scholars are thus of that sort, do not forget Joseph of Arimathea was a me,ber of the Sanhedrin, Zechariah was a priest, and Paul among other Pharisees became Christians. Hypocrite, those who believe themselves wise and the self-righteous are more those in issue. Many enter into place of authority or become corrupted into such because of authority and a person's own insecurities. And ultimately, they were people who were worshipping reflections of themselves rather than God as He truly is,
One can be a scholar and a good Christian. There is a greater danger of intellectual pride and therefore blindness to one's sins when one dedicates oneself to the pursuit of knowledge, but that is a corruption, not scholarship in itself, but an abuse of it that is sinful and a vice.
It is humility and meekness that are keys here to avoid such, along with of course, faith, hope, and agape love or charity.
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@woofwoofly But if there is no God, then where is the justification that following good is meaningful at all. If there is not a supernatural source of Truth then truth as such and thereby moral truths have no meaning. If there is not an organizing agent of reality, then there is no real human nature as it is only the result of a purposeless chance happening and so, then the morality, love, ends, and knowledge, and happiness we have are without any real value beyond utility and all is doomed to the void leaving struggling a purposeless pointless folly for all ends in death's eternal reign.
But if there is a God who made all things, then there is justification to try, to be and believe in.goid and that it and life, and each and every person has worth, meaning, and a purpose.
God bless you and grant you His peace. Through the Immaculate Heart of His Blessed Evervirgin Mother Mary, In the Most Holy Name of our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. The Divine Logos made flesh, Divine Justice, and Divine Mercy. Who died upon the Cross that we may know His Love for us, even to save us from ourselves and our own wicked choices that we may choose to live with Him forever. Amen.
Merry Christmas. Remember the Incarnation along with the Crucifixion and Resurrection, if true, is the most important events and the central axis in history, that is the lens of all the rest of history.
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@JAlanne I think I narrowed down the post (unless you mean overall but given how niche some are I assume not.) If you mean the Eucharist, well that comment was not intended to convince only explain. I did not like my previous reply to you though so I want to redo it.
All human knowledge necessarily has to have both reasons and desire, (evidence or arguments to justify them and affect). This is most often and most basically from what are called qualia which, just means sensory experiences and from logic. Human knowledge is also imperfect and incomplete so there is always an element of trust and probability involved, science uses mathematics to test data's trustworthiness and likelihood (among many other uses) and replicability to support the reliability of the process and researcher on a broader level. Mathematics is grounded in logic and for its base what we can observe in the world to the extent there is a physical parallel.
Different natured things require different natured qualification. One can not put something like the basic nature of existence or what is the nature of distinction asin distinction itself into a lab or even calculable data. The question of transubstantiation comes with the understanding that all physical things have two necessary aspects to make them what they are on a fundamental level as distinguished from any other thing. Form, that is the nature or essence of a thing (the twoness of the number 2 or the starness of a star like the Sun) and matter that which, makes it distinct and in existence this is something like how it is a distinct object even if it were otherwise identical to another object. This could also be called the essence and existence of a thing.
These sorts of claims are philosophical so are proven primarily by logical argument though can sometimes have support by evidence.
After that long aside, transubstantiation is a metaphysical change the qualia of the bread and wine do not change, what changes is the form and (metaphysical) matter. So it is best answered by philosophical means.
But there are other supports in the form of eucharistic miracles where the host (the part that was bread) and the part that was wine, become human cardiac tissue and blood. Many of these have been confirmed by test and though as a scientist I would prefer they were more rigorous, there is empirical evidence and testing to support these. I can point you to some if you would like.
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@andrek5008 God is not bound by time or space and not physical reality if He is their Author and cause. God`s essence is His existence, so all good in all things are found infinitely and perfectly in Him and creatures (anything created) are imperfect reflections of a limited aspect of His goodness. As for how God makes ex nihilo, He is the infinite, eternal, perfect, perfectly actualized (as in He is always all He could be) , omniscient, omnipotentent, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent Creator. He wills it and it is so, what would prevent it? Nothingness? Even if one believes in ontological inertia, nothingness of this kind, nonbeing has no existence to have such inertia. Time is tied to space and finite perception, so that is a thing of creatures. Any creature takes their existence from God creating them, so no creature could. And the laws of mathematics, and logic more generally are from the Divine Intellect if God is as the Church understand Him.
So God makes from nothing as He wills as He possesses the properties to do so, and no thing logically can be to oppose His Will.
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@Charlie_Marley I never claimed you did, I simply stated the theistic premise. Citing The Bible would be circular logic for proving God exists, not that He wants a personal relationship with us. If God us real, pointing to 3000 years of people claiming He wants/does relate with us, is a solid evidence for God desiring personal relationship with us.
As for the Catholic Church committing evil. There is first the need to seperate anti-Catholic propaganda from true evils done by members of the Church. Then one must show these people were acting in accord with the teachings and authority of the Church.
One obvious thing sticks today, the abuse crisis and cover up, but also some of the popes of the 1100s come to mind as well as the treatment by some to Native American tribes, and as internal evidence, the execution of St.Joan of Arc. Clearly members of the Church can do great harm, but no one can validly claim the Church claims we are perfect. The point of Christianitu is all of us are sinners and so need Christ to save us from the evil of our oen hearts and those of others. We are to cooperate with God's grace, but many do not. God as shown in Sacred Scripture call us to account for this scandal that leads people away from Him. This can occur because though brought into Christ's Church, we are still on the purgative way and are not saved fully from the possibility to sin until death. God does not take away our free will.
It is similar for most people believing false religions. Over time, after we fell, whether by malice, neglect, ignorance, or other faults of humanity or simply cultural entropy, and/or other natural and preternatural causes, truth here as in other areas has been lost in various ways. Most religions contain elements of the Truth, as humans are oriented to the Good, the True, and the Beautiful, but we can choose evil and we have fallible knowledge.
What the Church claims is that God ensures the Truth and means of salvation are preserved in Holy Mother Church regardless and at far too often times in spite of the evil of Her members.
Thus, the continued existence of the Church in spite of attempts within and from without, becomes another line of evidence for the sake of Her witness to the Gospel.
Even at the Crucificion, all of the Apostles but St.John betrat or abandon Christ. Because, Christ is the Redeemer and Saviir, not us, so even the Apostles needed to be redeemed and saved. It is so there us no ambiguity Who is at work saving us all and Who is thus Divine without underming anyone's free will.
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@rationald6799 So we may do anything. God set up a world with a given order to be a stable reality upheld by Him and gave us free will to choose Him. God wants us to choose to love Him out of our free will as He is able to love freelt. He needs nothing so He can love all, and that includes allowing us to reject Him even after doing all things possible up to the point of forcing us to be unable to reject Him. God does not force Himself upon us because that would not be love, that would be spiritual rape if He overrid our ability to choose for or against His Will or not or holding us hostage if He forced us to Heaven regardless of our will.
But what He does enforce is that we must make the choice, whether by action or inaction. Either and our death or the Eschaton. We are in a liminal time of amnesty where we may repent and come to the King before He enforces His rule in power. Between the Ascension (or really the Incarnation) and the Eschaton is a transition period between the announcement of the King and His enforcement of His Divine Justice perfectly. Because, were God to simply enforce His Divine Justice without showing us Divine Mercy, all would fall short because God is perfect. But so that some may choose Him of their accord, God bridged that gap and paid the infinite fee if sin we owe by His own Most Precious Blood and infinitely valuable sacrifice.
So God is doing alot, what He is not doing is kowtowing to our every demand or want. Were He to, He would not be God because He would be afixing His Divine Action to tge whims of a finite creature.
Basically God does not have to meet our demand, He is God and though He loves us and is Merciful and gives us good things, heals us spiritually if we allow it and it is good for us on the way to eternity from this temporary place, and He forgives us and pays His own Divine Justice, He is in charge, not us. And this kind of prideful entitlement thinking God must do things our way, is exactly why He should not do things our way or allow us an eternity to do whatever we want, because we have made a disaster of what little we already have. We could do much to fix it, but we do not and continue to act out of selfish self-regard and against each other. We are not fit to rule, and for those able to see it, this is another path to finding God if they humbly look for Him.
If we do not know how to love one another even to our limited understanding of that, why should we expect God Who is Perfect Love to act either as we do or as we think He should?
I am glad God does not do as we exactly expect, because then He is not an intependent being but truly some collective entity born if our expectations, like the Chaos Gods from Warhammer 40K and then either there is anotger higher being, or reality is an infinite vicious circular logic loop and so is absurd.
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Actually I think I remember speaking to you. It isn't so much amount of time for me, but too many first-hand accounts and cooraboration (sic) and further warrant from evidence after investigation into the question of the nature of reality and God as best I have been able to perform various times as my inquiry and analysis have increased over the years. I can not very well prove the experiences to a closed mind such as yours, so I won't waste either of our time trying that angle. Doubly if you would dismiss arguments before they are even presented to you but only proposed. If you want evidence, have and make explicit your standards in a systematic, falsifiable, parameter-controlled, and repeatable or at least analyzable fail and success conditions, preferrably with a null hypothesis and what would constitute as error conditions to be avoided. I say this because you seem to want empirical proof while being unable to or simply refusing to actually present any empirical set of conditions for acceptance or rejection to meet. Also because it implies you believe this system of rational inquiry is capable of potentially definitively giving evidence for or against the existence of God. So then you must believe a workable experiment, model,or empirical standard exists that can answer it. If you.are going to reject evidence based on some criteria, make them explicit and at least up to the standards you are demanding. If you are truly experienced on the matter you should be able to do so. And in fact if you will not accept other people's proposed criteria, you must provide yours for anyone else to know if their evidence would be valid to your call for evidence.
If this all sounds like it is out of the blue. Please ignore it, it was then not you I am remembering.
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Except it is literally empty space that is increasing, the amount of matter and energy is set and has been according to all of our evidence, calculations and the structure of the Universe. As the behavior of particles is non-discrete, no computer could ever simulate it no matter how powerful or how it were programmed. Likewise, in my personal experience, this physical reality is not all there is to this reality, but the ways it cross no simulation can account for. Simulations are like reality because we make them to be like reality. If this around us is all projection, whatever it is situated in can not be a world like ours. This is just a modern take on the ancient shadows on the cave wall metaphor used by Aristotle in antiquity mixed a bit of Descartes' Demon, but at the end of the day, those are intellectual tools, not reality. This is just a conspiracy theory and one that does not hold up to rigorous scrutiny.
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I believe they should have explored the concept of stranger in the Abrahamic religions more, it is fairly clear stranger does not necessarily mean what they assume it to mean. This is shown actually by the fate of Cain who is preserved by God from retribution and who is said to be the father of citydwellers. Moreof, it is very hard to square the story of the patriarch Joseph with such a definition, as for Exodus itself, the Israelite people themselves are seen as coming under God`s wrath and being unfaithful and this is sadly a theme seen throughout the Old Testament, despite being God`s chosen people, they fail to live up to the calling at times. Also God promises Abraham that his descendant shall be a light to the nations, i.e., God clearly cares for them as well. Far from being a tribe-centered pat on tbe back to the might of the people or the righteousness of the rulers or the culture, it brings both to task at different times.
This is to say nothing of the nuances and complexities that are problematic to this theory from traditiona in other cultures. They are just sort of assuming a universal theme based on case studies. That overlooking of pieces thay do not fit the mold is nothing new in anthropology and it almost always haunts theories from the starting gate. Now if we argue all of this simply goes much farther back than that and we can`t see evidence as these sources are all too late, well we can argue that, but it makes any cultural examples subject to the same countercritique. Fact of the matter is, any culture we see now, even if small and basic in structure are not primeval in the necessary sense. They are not necessarily more reliable sources of humanity`s initial cultural strycrure unless corroborated by a good deal of evidence from early human periods in the relevant areas. What we see on the ground needs to match what we find in the ground. The best we can hope for is to correlate fossil, molecular, archaeological and cultural data.
If our oldest records go back let`s say 50`000 years (pulling from the Pelaides star cluster and accompanying traditions), and our species goes back 300,000 years, well we have cultural data going back only 1/6th of the way. That does not mean it is unreliable, indeed it has shown time and again to be, in various ways, but the quality of the information varies and often just don`t make sense to our modern perspective. Much of the information of the earliest cultures is simply lost to time due to the impermenant nature of their materials and the forces of nature.
Any theory that contradicts the cultural data is suspect as it doesn`t correspond to the very thing it is explaining. But, the important part is appreciating that the people back then were people and their stories will be just as nuanced and complex as our own.
I am saying this because Dr.Wrangham`s explanation imagines a cookie-cutter scenario with a simple mechanism to organize all of human cultural institutions. It seems very unlikely that a single scenario would repeatedly play out that way but more likely that a variety of developments coalescing over time. That is messy and hard to study, but our history is that way often, our ages and eras bleed into one another and the past reemerges in the present and the present paints how we see the past, and predictions of the future influence the present. We are complex creatures with complicated relations, most of all across the ages.
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@mr.j3rs3y I do not agree objectivity or perfection of at least certain kinds are impossible. Relativism is inherently self-refuting as it is itself claiming an objective truth. Ergo, the alternative to objective truth can not be expressed without objective truth, so objective truth is both real and more fundamental than subjectivity which simply draws on an deviates from it.
If we can know objective truth exists, we have access to it and ought to pursue it.
If we have bias yes we ought to disclose it, but we also ought to seek to eliminate it, minimize its impact, and see those viewpoints that oppose ours. A defect in reason is a blind spot. Not all subjectivity is bias but all bias is a warping of perspective. We can learn to use it, but we can never just sit and pretend it does not have a deleterious effect.
Even though we fall short of perfection, we still reap the benefits of its siblings prudential judgement, discipline (and temperance more generally), courage, and magnanimity.
But then there is the Gospel and in this we are not fighting alone.
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The whole of rationistic materialism falls apart as we fall apart without meaning and with no Creator there is no explanation for why there is anything at all. Without another layer atop the workd, we are a miserable delusional failure of a species and there is no point in doing science because it is all meaningless and pointless, might as well curl up with some food, get fat and soak up pleasure before the reaper calls you.
And it is scientism, naturalistic materialism that creates this and yet it also means our basis for doubting the existence of the spiritual and a Creator cuts off its own roots and kills itself in thr end.
But, what happens when you give humanity knowledge of the tides of meaning? Materialism is not the great enemy, it is the antechamber to having only ourselves left as our gods if we do not want the Living God. The terrors when we who know we are not divine toy with the controls at the console of our meaning...when we attempt to make even our own gods to our design. I can not bear to consider it. We will then enslave ourselves to sin anew as our god as of old. Then only those who know Him, can hope to avoid the devastation within and amongst us that follows.
Clearly this is not what Dr.Peterson is aiming at, but we would be fools to not consider that there are not those who would use what is being discovered for manipulative ends. Consider the great evil this could potentially lead to to those who rather than accepting the way of things that we are not the highest order would try to manipulate it to their own ends.
God have mercy upon us, and save us from ourselves. Through Our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. The Divine Wisdom, the Divine Mercy, and Our Just Judge. Amen.
Lord Jesus, I trust in You. Amen.
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@michaelriverside1139 It is very unfortunate people see things as your professor did. This is because, science requires a certain understanding that nature is both intelligable and not divine ,but it must be in a sense, sacred; important enough to be worth studying, possessing something worthwhile but not the source of truth. Nature then must be seen to possess a wisdom high, but not supreme. Otherwise we ought to be worshipping and not analyzing it. It is adjacent to humanity, a regulator and guide, but not a final law-giver.
Data is just the raw material of quantitative research, it is a derived thing from what is really there. It is more digestible to computation and analysis, but it does bring its own shading that obscures many things. If one spends all of their time discovering through that lens, one forgets about what it can not see and mistakes it for an infallible All-seeing Eye, when like the human eye, it can only see some wavelengths, so to speak.
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@michaelriverside1139 We can question our capacities to know anything transcendant, or stand and accept the rebukes and judgements of the absolute when they do so. If we hold nothing highest we will attempt to take that throne, and that never ends well.
Culture is internal to humanity, Nature crosses both inside and outside. Yet there is a sense of nature we are stewards of and in a way transcendant of. Our technology is unlike anything else of these lower orders. We may or may not be alone on this level (statistically seems unlikely, but we don`t know what we don`t know), but we are different from mere beastS.We are rational and can know Truth and make sense of the order and way of things. Certainly we are in nature it is our environment and setting, but, there are things of us we do not see reflected in that mirror. They come of another angle. Science wants to know about things objectively, so there is by consequence a degree of seperation from researcher to subject. But, this can be an otherwise imaginary distance. The relationship of culture to nature (or environment) is a hyperobject, the originally termed one actually.
It is not arrogant to say one is utterly subject to things. It is wise to if one knows that one is as it is simply how one is.
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@michaelriverside1139 I do not believe there is such a singularity, that is just the transhumanist`s salvation prophecy. There is nothing to make such predictions inevitable, or even necessarily possible. More importantly, it requires a universal adoption that I do not believe is possible nor palatable. I personally do not put my chips on this technology any more than mechanization or atomic power. Those came and went and it is looking like Moore`s Law is hitting a hard limit as well. Without that to drive it, electronics reachba state like its predecessors and the Technological Singularity sort of makes sense only under that frame. There are always new frontiers here, but let`s not forget the mountains of plastics, miles of destroyed wilderness, extinct species, and irradiated islands and cities, or the trace radiation found even in the air we breathe now, and let`s not forget the social media nightmare and technology addiction that plagues us now.
There is no more a necessity for technology to reach a singularity than there is for the sun to never set on the British Empire. (I`m not British, just been playing Sunless Skies. My first thought was Manifest Destiny, but the British Empire was a clearee example).
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I will say. Be careful your wrath does not erode your humanity to make you alike the very monsterous ways you are rightfully indignant of, they did not start this way anymore than those they originally opposed. Being a hero is not about fighting against vice alone; one must work even harder to continue along the virtuous path. Hatred breeds itself both clonally and via parasitic injection, masking itself by subtle manipulation of emotions. Wrath is a deadly sin for a reason, and its elder brothers sometimes sneak in behind it. Because no one likes naked envy, vanity, or pride, they burn everything and wither life on its branches. But they are good mimics and pretend to be justice, fortitude, truth, and even compassion.
So examine your conscience and be honest and courageous with exposing these in yourself. Then, when you have a firm grasp on your own brokenness, and have found the way to deal with them, the truth of who we are meant to be as human beings, and know what is life; then you will see the Divine Physician is the answer. When you realize we are all in the same leaking boat yet by some miracle have not sunken despite evsn our societies and virtues being infected by these seven parasites, ask yourself: Who is pumping out the poison and preserving us from ourselves?
God bless you, through Our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.
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