Comments by "l" (@l-uk3xm) on "Double Down News"
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@Mirul-ef3jb I don't know what you mean by Israelites, like ancient Israelites? Current residents of the State are called Israelis, not Israelites, and there are many religious ones among them. There whole cities where they're in the majority, including Jerusalem. I hope you go visit someday and see for yourself. 2. Zionists are the ppl who went to then Palestine in the late 19th century to build the land for the future state of Israel. Land was bought from absentee land owners and paid for. The money was raised by the world communities' donations, much of those donated by the Rothschild family. Once the Jewish enterprise started, many Arabs came too attracted by the jobs, medical and other services the Jews provided. Those were what we call early Zionists. Later, when the State of Israel came into being, that connotation changed to simple ppl who work for the strength and welfare of Israel. No, it's not an excuse for the State, sorry but the State doesn't need an excuse. Thank you.
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@Mirul-ef3jb There were no countless wars, there were 2 only. One in 1948 when Israel came into being and the Israeli leaders at that time called on all the Arabs living in the land to stay. Those who listened stayed and are now citizens of Israel, about 20% of its populace. Those who decided to leave, left.Nobody was kicked out, as I said they were encouraged to stay. Their Arab neighbors, which called on them to leave, started the war in 1948, and lost it several months later. Even then, Israel was prepared to take back the Arabs who returned. Intifada is not a displacement, it's an Arab terror wave against Israel that took place in the 1990s following the Oslo accords. The displacement in Arabic is nakhba, I am not sure what you mean by Palestinians moving into Israel and the Holy Land. Israel is in the Holy Land. Thank you
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@Mirul-ef3jb Extreme religious Judaism suggests that no state can be created until the Messiah comes.. That' is true. There are adherents to this mantra who actually live in Israel today, enjoying all the benefits yet not believing. Kinda interesting. Most religious Jews do recognize the State, serve in the army, etc. The State was not created by religious Jews, nor was it meant to be. It was created by secular Jews and their ideology was not religion-based. It was created for all Jewish ppl so they could return to their ancestral land especially after the holocaust they endured in Europe. Judaism and Zionism are not contradictory, they're just different in their pursuits. Today's Zionists, vs the early Zionists who worked to create the State, are those who work for the welfare and well-being of the State. That has nothing to do w/imperial expansion or colonization or ethnic cleansing. There are lots of Arabs and others living in Israel today. That said, if we're threatened as we were on Oct 7, yes, we rise to our defense, just like any other nation would. Thank you
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@Inquisetor90 Right, "innocent" civilians are their parents, spouses,, siblings, etc who support and admire them, not sure about their real innocence. That Arab man who called his family from Israel on Oct 7 bragging that he just killed 10 ppl and his father praised him. Plus, Hamas imbeds itself w/civilians, which the ppl don't seem to mind. So what is the IDF to do?
The Israeli Arabs, about 20% of our population today are generally fine, some acted really heroically on Oct 7, saved many lives. Yet, there were also anti-Israel protests in Haifa and Jerusalem among their communities, so it's a complex issue.
It's my opinion, that they don't really want a state of their own, hence these political games coupled w/terror. They want to continue mooching off Israel and getting the UN handouts crying all the while about being victimized. Lots of money to be made w/this cry.
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@NerdicusGoblinski As I mentioned before, Germany's goal was to conquer Europe and Africa, I don't believe Israel has this goal. If by a goose step you mean military parades, Israel hasn't had one since 1973, but we do maintain a strong well equipped army b/c that's the neighborhood we live in, kind of the Chicago southside, you've got to be vigilant. No, Israel has never committed any genocidal actions, even the Hague court, prejudiced however it was, found none. Thank you
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@miguelroger6647 I am sorry for assuming you're American. You posted in English and it's a US based site. Now I know you're from Spain, thank you. Also sorry for my extreme stupidity and the absence of cogent arguments on your part that prompted you to resort to ad hominem attacks. Israel was established in 1948 and was recognized as an independent Jewish State by the UN and the rest of the world, excluding the Arabs. The land was partitioned by the UN decision made in 1947. The Arabs had an ample opportunity to create their own state which they forwent. They forwent at least 4 other offers made to them. They chose their destiny. Israel stole no land from anybody. Initially land was purchased from absentee land owners who lived in other countries and sold their deeds. When Israel came into being in 1948, the Arabs were encouraged to stay and whoever decided to stay are now rightful citizens. Whoever decided to leave at that time made their choice. The occupation and land theft are myths that are perpetuated by the hostile media but you're free to believe what you want to . I would not label you uneducated or anything else for your beliefs. Sorry, I don't throw out ad hominem. The situation today has been prompted by the Hamas invasion of Israel on Oct 7 that killed 1,200 of our ppl, injured countless others, tortured, raped and mutilated, and took 240 hostages of whom they're still holding 133 of whom half is believed killed by now. Gaza is an independent state over which Israel has no jurisdiction and can't even go there. They decided to attack, well, they made their choice also. We rose for our defense just like any other county would do against an aggressor. Thank you
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@khaledj.9985 Totally agree, what goes around comes around. You saw it coming, guys. Killing 1,200 of ours and taking 240 others hostage w/the kind of brutality that everybody thought was relegated to the Middle Ages, nay, the Stone Age, what did you expect? And given that we provided every last thing for you, money, jobs, utilities, medical, etc. What did you expect? That we'd extend tender loving mercies to you? Forgive and forget? Our military is one of the strongest, best trained and best equipped in the world. There will be no forgive and forget, sorry. Until complete and final victory.
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