Comments by "Aidan B" (@aidanb58) on "PragerU"
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@myric1173 Hi, i'm guessing you're american? If so, I am as well, so I understand the perception. However, the thing is we have to consider not only the countries that do exist that use similar systems, but the whole political spectrum. There are countries around who do things very similar to the things we said, but even if there weren't, that wouldn't suddenly make this far left.. Basically, imagine the political "spectrum" is a point from 100 to -100, with 0 being the absolute center. -100 is as far right as you can go, so ancap, fascism, monarchism, ect. 100 on the graph is not things like "more taxes," at 100 you have anarchism, stateless/statist communism, communalism, egoism, ect. And as you work your way back from 100 to 0, you'll find there are so many other "far left" philosophies that what you're describing, depending on the country, is around 15-30. That's why I say they're moderate, because whether or not you agree with them they still fall explicitly within the range of capitalism and social democracy, which is moderate.
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@truth0077 You realize that the democrats in the USA during the slave trade days were right wing conservatives, right? You proved your own point wrong yet again!
Nazis were right wing... they said so themself.
you guys are really idiots, aren't you? For one, all of those things do not equate to socialism, many capitalist countries have them. For two, "defects and eugenics" have never been a left wing idea. Ever. We always go for kropotkin biology, not Darwin.
I say the second claim is true because that's what they admitted to themselves... not the people they were propoganzing.
But, if you want to see hitler quotes, let's see my reasoning, shall we?
"Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the (Capitalist-Libertarian) Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. "
In this quote, hitler quite easily shows his true colors. He likes "socialism," but his version of socialism is the opposite of everything Marx said it was - it is right wing. Better yet, it's also just capitalism. He quite literally says here that his ideology does not go against property rights or individualism, rather, it is in favor of them. He closes out by saying that if he had not chosen this name, he would have chosen a more accurate name. The remains of the party he discussed here are still around, and they're called the Freie Demokratische Partei... which is a right wing capitalist party.
This is what he had to say about entrepreneurs...
"They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead."
Doesn't sound very "collectivist" to me, does it? Nope, it isn't. He's literally praising individuals, and their effort within private property. That's quite literally the opposite of collectivism. He echoed that sentiment in several other quotes, like
"I want everyone to keep the property he has acquired for himself..."
"As National Socialists, our hearts are full with admiration and respect for the great achievements of the past, not only in our own people but also far beyond. We are happy to belong to an European cultural community that has so tremendously embossed today's world with a stamp of its mind. Bolshevism rejects this cultural achievement of mankind, claiming that has found the beginning of the real cultural and human history in the year of birth of Marxism. We, National Socialists, do not want to be of the same opinion as our church organizations in this or that organizational question. But we never want a lack of belief in religion or any faith, and do not wish that our churches become club-houses or cinemas. Bolshevism teaches the godlessness and acts accordingly. We National Socialists see in private property a higher level of human economic development that according to the differences in performance controls the management of what has been accomplished enabling and guaranteeing the advantage of a higher standard of living for everyone. Bolshevism destroys not only private property but also private initiative and the readiness to shoulder responsibility."
In this quote, hitler admits that his ideology is one of patriotism, one that rejects the notions of pure atheism... and one that respects private property. All of these arguments are ones republicans still use to this day against any forms of leftism. And they learned them all from hitler. Oh, and here's a quote of him literally admitting his ideology is not left wing.
"'Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. ...Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false."
He uses the term "true socialism" as an oxymoron, here, but more importantly, we can now tell how he defines it. So now, whenever you hear hitler say "Socialism"... realize he defined socialism as a right wing ideology that was individualist and had nothing to do with actual socialist ideals.
And that's the key in all of this. Hitler called his ideals socialism despite hating any and all socialism for the same reasons republicans hate it today. He did this not because he was a socialist, but because he wanted to fool idiots into supporting his party. His first actions were quite literally to kill every socialist in his party, and every communist as well. When the capitalists like Ford or GM or Koch Sr. came, he welcomed them with open arms. Some of the greatest projects of nazi germany were built voluntarily by rich, right wing capitalists, who believed every word he said. Did you know that Ford wrote a book in which he praised not only hitler, but hitler's polcies when it came to individualism and private property? Hitler was so proud of this book that he had it be sold on every street corner, and a copy would often come with the purchase of a car in Nazi germany. People like Churchill, brash conservatives, would praise Hitler frequently. Even capitalists philosophers, like Mises and Friedman, would not only work for fascist economies but would praised the leadership of Hitler and Mussolini, calling them the perfect right-wing answer to the rise of communist though in europe. It's also important to mention that the founding text of fascism also placed the ideology on the right wing, saying ""We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century".Mussolini agreed with this, saying " "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center ... These words in any case do not have a fixed and unchanged meaning: they do have a variable subject to location, time and spirit. We don't give a damn about these empty terminologies and we despise those who are terrorized by these words". As I said earlier, fascism was formed as a primarily right wing ideology. A man is often mentioned named Giovanni, in an attempted to call fascism left wing. He co-wrote the book that founded fascism... and called it right wing. Alongside that, several other founders of fascism, such as Julius Evola, called themselves both conservatives and fascists for the majority of their lives. As i said earlier, fascism was also founded with influence of other right wing figures, like the ruling of Naopleon the 3rd. Even talking about more than policy, the fascists were right wing. They had the biggest example of privatization in modern history (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-0289.2009.00473.x), were funded primarily by the private market and voluntary business association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties) and believed in social darwinism. In case you didn't know, socialists hate social darwinism - they all subscribe to the Theory of Mutual Aid, put forth by kropotkin. The two ideas are quite literally opposite. In any case, aside from all this, hitler did frequently talk about other republican talking points, like the success of private property, his love for the traditional family, religion, the individual, and how much he loved western civilization.
That is the man you call a socialist. A self-described capitlalist individualist who admitted he had nothing to do with socialism.
And I hope that helps.
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@GreyWolfLeaderTW Yeah coming back to this now, it's still not right. Hitler never said his movement was far left, he admitted it was right wing. They believed in corporatist economics, which is again, right wing. They believed in nationalism, class, ect it just goes on.
particularly given that fascism was developed by a communist idealogue who was also a strong Italian nationalist named Giovanni Gentile"
You believe everything Prager U tells you, do you?
First off Giovanni Gentile was NEVER a communist, he was an idealist (in the philosophical sense). Second, you know that Giovanni Gentile was part of the RIGHT-WING parties before fascism? Also you know that fascism was already a thing even before Gentile joined it in 1922, right? Gentile was not by any means the "developer" of fascism. Fascism doesn't have a philosophical father, it's a mix of idealism, nationalism and whatever economic system benefits the state, it doesn't have a precise doctrine.
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@albertgreen8347 Albert Green Ok, first off, that just isn't true. He didn't choose that name, he literally joined a party of socialists that he murdered. All of them. Look up the night of the long knives. And he wasn't socialist because he refused to implement actual socialist policies, he just relied on capitlaist ones.
But next, just saying all of those things do not equate to socialism, many capitalist countries havedone similar. Alos, "defects and eugenics" have never been a left wing idea. Ever. We always go for kropotkin biology, not Darwin.
I say the second claim is true because that's what they admitted to themselves... not the people they were propagandizing.
But, if you want to see hitler quotes, let's see my reasoning, shall we?
"Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the (Capitalist-Libertarian) Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. "
In this quote, hitler quite easily shows his true colors. He likes "socialism," but his version of socialism is the opposite of everything Marx said it was - it is right wing. Better yet, it's also just capitalism. He quite literally says here that his ideology does not go against property rights or individualism, rather, it is in favor of them. He closes out by saying that if he had not chosen this name, he would have chosen a more accurate name. The remains of the party he discussed here are still around, and they're called the Freie Demokratische Partei... which is a right wing capitalist party.
This is what he had to say about entrepreneurs...
"They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead."
Doesn't sound very "collectivist" to me, does it? Nope, it isn't. He's literally praising individuals, and their effort within private property. That's quite literally the opposite of collectivism. He echoed that sentiment in several other quotes, like
"I want everyone to keep the property he has acquired for himself..."
"As National Socialists, our hearts are full with admiration and respect for the great achievements of the past, not only in our own people but also far beyond. We are happy to belong to an European cultural community that has so tremendously embossed today's world with a stamp of its mind. Bolshevism rejects this cultural achievement of mankind, claiming that has found the beginning of the real cultural and human history in the year of birth of Marxism. We, National Socialists, do not want to be of the same opinion as our church organizations in this or that organizational question. But we never want a lack of belief in religion or any faith, and do not wish that our churches become club-houses or cinemas. Bolshevism teaches the godlessness and acts accordingly. We National Socialists see in private property a higher level of human economic development that according to the differences in performance controls the management of what has been accomplished enabling and guaranteeing the advantage of a higher standard of living for everyone. Bolshevism destroys not only private property but also private initiative and the readiness to shoulder responsibility."
In this quote, hitler admits that his ideology is one of patriotism, one that rejects the notions of pure atheism... and one that respects private property. All of these arguments are ones republicans still use to this day against any forms of leftism. And they learned them all from hitler. Oh, and here's a quote of him literally admitting his ideology is not left wing.
"'Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. ...Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false."
He uses the term "true socialism" as an oxymoron, here, but more importantly, we can now tell how he defines it. So now, whenever you hear hitler say "Socialism"... realize he defined socialism as a right wing ideology that was individualist and had nothing to do with actual socialist ideals.
And that's the key in all of this. Hitler called his ideals socialism despite hating any and all socialism for the same reasons republicans hate it today. He did this not because he was a socialist, but because he wanted to fool idiots into supporting his party. His first actions were quite literally to kill every socialist in his party, and every communist as well. When the capitalists like Ford or GM or Koch Sr. came, he welcomed them with open arms. Some of the greatest projects of nazi germany were built voluntarily by rich, right wing capitalists, who believed every word he said. Did you know that Ford wrote a book in which he praised not only hitler, but hitler's polcies when it came to individualism and private property? Hitler was so proud of this book that he had it be sold on every street corner, and a copy would often come with the purchase of a car in Nazi germany. People like Churchill, brash conservatives, would praise Hitler frequently. Even capitalists philosophers, like Mises and Friedman, would not only work for fascist economies but would praised the leadership of Hitler and Mussolini, calling them the perfect right-wing answer to the rise of communist though in europe. It's also important to mention that the founding text of fascism also placed the ideology on the right wing, saying ""We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century".Mussolini agreed with this, saying " "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center ... These words in any case do not have a fixed and unchanged meaning: they do have a variable subject to location, time and spirit. We don't give a damn about these empty terminologies and we despise those who are terrorized by these words". As I said earlier, fascism was formed as a primarily right wing ideology. A man is often mentioned named Giovanni, in an attempted to call fascism left wing. He co-wrote the book that founded fascism... and called it right wing. ""We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century"." Alongside that, several other founders of fascism, such as Julius Evola, called themselves both conservatives and fascists for the majority of their lives. As i said earlier, fascism was also founded with influence of other right wing figures, like the ruling of Naopleon the 3rd. Even talking about more than policy, the fascists were right wing. They had the biggest example of privatization in modern history (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-0289.2009.00473.x), were funded primarily by the private market and voluntary business association (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties) and believed in social darwinism. In case you didn't know, socialists hate social darwinism - they all subscribe to the Theory of Mutual Aid, put forth by kropotkin. The two ideas are quite literally opposite. In any case, aside from all this, hitler did frequently talk about other republican talking points, like the success of private property, his love for the traditional family, religion, the individual, and how much he loved western civilization.
That is the man you call a socialist. A self-described capitlalist individualist who admitted he had nothing to do with socialism.
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@hochhaul Hey, fun fact. None of that addresses what I said. First off, the switch was of ideology, not individuals. That's why, even after the republicans had gained the south, the people were still voting for right wing policies. Those southern democrats you are referencing mostly died or were replaced over the next few years, with increasingly right-wing and republican friendly (or just plain republican) democrats. Does it not give you a cuase for question to wonder why the southerners voted together, and the northerners voted together, or that the north was still very liberal in those times, and the more liberal you were, the more likely you would be to vote for the CRA? As well as that... the dems wrote and signed that bill, mate. If you want to talk about openly racist politicians, we can talk about Goldwater, or Thurmond. However, like you have done, I would like to quote Martin Luther King Jr, on two issues. One, is his view of the republicans, specifically the 1964 Republican Convention. "The republican party geared it's appeal and program towards racism, reaction and extremism. All people of good will viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the cow palace of the KKK with the Radical Right." The second thing i'd like to quote from MLK was his own political ideology. "“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness. [W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.” Now, about Byrd. The thing about him, is that he is the only dem the republicans can point to being in the KKK (when the KKK votes for them today) but he himself admitted that he only joined because he used to be a conservative. That was also, oh, 80 years ago. Speaking of zealous segregationists, I can introduce you to Henry Garret, a man who not only opposed, but testified against Brown v Board, and better yet, went on to found an organization that still calls for segregation and racism today. Oh, and he was a conservative. We already mentioned Goldwater, and how his campaign revolutionized the racist south, but you've perfectly touched on it. The south has always been racist, and always been right wing.
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