Comments by "Aidan B" (@aidanb58) on "How's Socialism Doing in Venezuela? | 5 Minute Video" video.
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Tom Smith Ok then, ask yourself that. Why, in this society, we have an abundance of people who seem to hate the majority of their life, which they spend working to fund the parts they actually enjoy. People hate jobs because they seem useless, they can't see the benefit of what they do, nor can they see the downsides. There is no reason to have a society so based on things people hate doing, that often times don't even need to be done to help society function.
And those two examples were examples of some of the larger failures of capitalism. The Belgian Congo lived in a continuous genocide, limbs were cut off those that didn't work, children were stolen, entire ethnicities vanished,all in service of one of there first market economies. And the Bengal famine was a famine that happened under British (Churchill,specifically) rule of india, in which they withheld supplies leading to millions, if not tens of millions of deaths. It was so bad that they were beating out China at the same time. That's about the synopsis of the events, but you can look up more information if you like, they are well documented. The pictures associated might be a bit...graphic, though.
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Tom Smith See, this is what i'm talking about. Conservatives don't know the first thing about responsibility, they blame everything they can on imaginary socialists and the democrats. It's sad, really, this is why I am no longer on the right. Most jobs, as of now, do nothing but propel a market that does nothing bu provide a reason for those jobs to exist.
The vast majority of the populace are not doctors or dentists though, are they? They are workers in factories, restaurants, offices, ect. Your comparison falls though because it fails to accurately represent exactly how our real life job makeup works, and substitutes it with utter nonsense. That doesn't answer the question, nor justify your statements that you previously made.
It can "sound like" whatever you want, the simple fact is that it happened under capitalism. Responsibility. Also, "totalitarian communism" is an oxymoron. I love how conservatives are so unwilling to take responsibility for anything that they blame the most conservative power on the globe (the nazis) on the nazis direct enemies, the left. You can admit that you don't think conservatives are capable of anything wrong.
Yes, the war was caused by a deeply conservative regime, that was held up on the backs of western appeasement. You forgot about that bit.
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Tom Smith Nah, that's the thing - nazi germany wasn't socialist. You know that, it's why you made such a big deal out of the name, because the only way to fool gullible conservatives into thinking the furthest-right regime in history somehow was even close to the left. And can you really not think of any jobs that would only exist if the other jobs supporting them did in the first place?
And that doesn't have a thing to do with what I said. I don't care what else the factories do, the simple fact is many jobs that exist right now have next to no need to actually exist. Yes, a few do need to exist to keep society running, but there is a reason most people hate their jobs, a reason I have already lain out. To simply point to where the labor is going, rather than what it is doing, is absolutely absurd and probably not worth any time.
Those people died, and were tortured, so that the plants they harvested could be sent back to their home country, turned into commodities and goods, and then sold. This was done exclusively for the profit motive, and to say that capitalism does not promote a profit motive is absurd. And how did democratic workplaces kill anyone?
The soviet union fought the hardest against the nazis, and lost the most. The capitalist empires, like Britain and the USA, stood back and watched as the far-right nazis exterminated millions, until the last second.
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Tom Smith Do I know the party title? Of course I do. Are you saying you're trusting the nazi party to tell the truth?
Considering even back then the conservatives knew the nazis stood with them, it seems only the modern ones have forgotten.
And that's the point. If someone makes a career posting nonsense, then that career would not be supported by someone else who allows for the creation of those machines, and so on.
This just leads back to my beginning point, that it should be questioned why work is so universally disliked. A huge reason is because of the utter uselessness of some jobs.
You're telling me the nazis, who threw socialists in jail first, who said that the idea of the left and equality would lead to the end of civilization, and who openly called themselves right wing and allied with conservatives was somehow socialist? Welcome to reality, pal. You're not fooling anyone. 70% of venezuela's economy is private, that's hardly socialist.
Do you even know what the policy of appeasement was? Western nations not only sat by while this was all happening, but actively turned away fleeing people back towards the nazis, to remain "neutral" in an active genocide. That is the legacy you are trying to defend. Hell, some western industrialists went over to join the nazis. Does that really sound like a history you should eb defending?
Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? You perfectly encapsulate it. Perhaps fact-check yourself before making a fool of yourself.
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Tom Smith "- OK so explain to me what socialism is and why Germany was not socialist. Did Germany have a small government? Did they lack socialized medicine?"
Socialism is when the means of production are collectively owned by the people/workers/community. Nazi germany did not want that, nor did they have it. You can have socialism with no government. You don't need to be socialist to have socialized medicine, because while they did have it, it was put in place before the nazis took over, under the Wiemar Republic.
"- You keep saying that while using technology made by those factory jobs you consider useless. A hypocrite like a typical leftist you are!"
I built my own computer, from locally-sourced parts. Anyway, you seem to hate big government, yet live in a society created by it. Doesn't that seem a bit absurd? Your comparisons, just like mine, are useless.
"Where are you getting your numbers/"facts?" I just don't trust hypocrites."
Yet you seem rather confident in your own words, ironically enough. Anyway, here is the original source: https://www.aporrea.org/actualidad/a165136.html
which is cited in these two articles, in english:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/
https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-socialism-private-sector-still-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade
"So National Socialist party is not socialist, the western allies are bad for not immediately wiping Germany off the face of the earth at the first provocation whereas the Soviet Union is good for invading Poland in support of Germany, and Maduro's "United Socialist Party of Venezuela" is actually pro-privatization and free market. Got it!"
Close. The National Socialist party was not socialist, the western allies are bad for not seeing the warning signs of totalitarian rule and genocide or actively ignoring them and hurting the victims of those policies whereas the Soviet Union is just as bad for doing the same, but cannot be undercut in the war effort, and Maduro's "United Socialist Party of Venezuela" is not in fact in charge of a socialist country, but a far more mixed-economy country, leaning towards capitalism. Does that clean it up?
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