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These loveable folks are showing their youthful age......Kurt's music wasn't JUST miserable, it was ALSO representative of a personified anger/frustration at/of the apathy of the late and plastic/fake 80's world, which so many of us felt after the early (and promising) world of the 80's had quickly devolved itself into crap (remember yuppies, recessions, BS war etc etc?)
His music/writing was ALSO REALLY sarcastic, ironic and funny, which is what I loved and still love about it (alongside the catchy sound) while it humanised the frustration and humanised him too (despite the heroin and Courtney Love issues)......which are traits the youth now sadly have a hard time even properly understanding/contextualising/comprehending after manipulated to be SOO very apathetic while living in and only ever knowing a post 9-11 over-manipulated and apathetic world.
We also grew up in an age where shows like The Simpson came into existence, which was also a sarcastic, ironic and critical (thinking) questioning of the reality and society we existed in......but we then made the mistake of placing our kids in front of the tv to enjoy it too where we mistook that our kids would simply 'get it' and contextualise it too.....but perhaps not properly considering that the world they'd grown up in was far more cynical and manipulative where irony and sarcasm now just had a FAR higher chance of being misinterpreted as 'mean' (like crappy/low-brow/low-aiming Family Guy), especially when they had been soo very over-'encouraged' to over-pursue supposed-politeness instead and at the expense of all else (like further considered critical-thinking) unfortunately.
One of the many reasons there IS now sadly such a large ideological/age-gap/divide between the boomers and millennials/z'ers is because Generation X unfortunately became a 'passed over' generation.
We simply said 'no' which frustrated the powers that be, where they then tried to insult/gas-light us with the 'slacker' moniker, which we ironically adopted (while actually principled and working hard) before it simply became too hard for them, where they then simply moved onto the next and 'easy' generation instead by the time the 2000's had come around.....then there was the 2010's onwards where the 'mental' (and narcissistic-manipulation and deliberate-division) REALLY came into a self-fulfilling place of its own (and nasty) making unfortunately.
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@Jm-wt1fs Lex is a self identified introvert despite ironically running the guest-heavy podcast/show that he runs daily (and as his job).
'Likes' aren't just about the mario-cart (or coin) inspired internet ones. They can often (and simply) evolve from the basic internal/human needs and desires that most folks have......and are often more about the simple desire for the (perhaps over-prioritised...or manipulated) approval/acknowledgement of others, where supposed introvertism can be EASILY and psychologically manipulated like many things (focussing on someone's inherent or chosen ideological beliefs is another really easy/effective/proven method)
......and especially so via sketchy/manipulative and 'by design' social-media platforms.....their algorithms (which strangely, but not so strangely, ONLY have 'thumbs up' but no 'thumbs down' responses).... OR via dodgier, more shameless folks than me, whose job and 'expertise' (like mine) IS and HAS always been TO manipulate folks (mine has been a 30+ year running career which has constantly creeped me out, despite appreciating the intuition it has taught me too, where the 'methods' are something to always be wary/skeptical of).
Maybe I'm too harsh on Lex but really like him too despite the criticism, I hope he does well AND see big potential for more in him too....but I'm also wary that he's easily manipulated by others and his own personality/nature too, like many well intentioned (and 'smart' more than perhaps 'wise') folks.
.....especially nowadays in an era where narcissism (in many outward or subtle ways) is clearly being over-encouraged in order to more easily divert and then manipulate folks (often resulting in 'useful idiots' FOR others unfortunately), then you also have all the encouraged self-righteousness, binary wrong/rights and lack of discussion that you mentioned, which Lex's politeness can also indadvertedly end up over-compensating for/too despite his best intentions while hoping to be a polite-considerate instead (but perhaps a little naive regarding deliberate manipulation) while the TED-talk like salesmen guests grift on his supposed introvert but who could probably do with more pushback despite the algorithm, the creeps and their hopes (and over 'encouragement').
Appreciate your comments and willingness to discuss though JM, I pretty much completely agree with you but also have my skepticism too, especially in our creepy age of manipulation (and apathy), have a good one and cheers from the ether of the internet!
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"In the 1970s, I met Leni Reifenstahl, close friend of Adolf Hitler, whose films helped cast the Nazi spell over Germany.
She told me that the message in her films, the propaganda, was dependent not on "orders from above" but on what she called the "submissive-void" of the public.
"Did this 'submissive-void' include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie (middle class)" I asked her.
"Of course," she said, "especially the intelligentsia (scholars, academics, teachers, journalists, and literary writers).... When people no longer ask serious questions, they are submissive and malleable. Anything can happen.""
- John Pilger
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Australia never had much of 'culture' ......but mateship was thankfully always obvious, like folks helping others out during natural disasters......I have only heard denial or hesitation to even talk about (or bad excuses) regarding how to help (and what was done to) small business and all the self-determined folks (and previous contributors to the system who were not reliant on big business or the government) who were sadly the biggest target of the nasty 'divide and conquer' deliberate devolution initiative after they were so easily disregarded and after all the inconsistent and ever-changing nonsense which was ironically sold as a natural disaster, which we used to help folks after.
Melbourne now sadly feels like a city of compliant, apathetic, half-sleeping, pod-people from the old Body Snatchers film who won't even have a bigger discussion let alone thinking or considering further/more.
I ended up having no income throughout the fiasco after deemed 'not eligible' for the assistance given to all the big business employees and already government reliant (after having paid tax for 30 years and never getting or expecting anything back).
No income, locked down with no ability to work, no coverage, bills still coming regardless, business destroyed and then losing my part time uni teaching gig for not getting jabbed (despite me ironically teaching on-line and my employer planning to continue on-line teaching)........where the results and rest become obvious......but try telling anyone.
It was all deliberate......or the folks running the show are utterly incompetent, neither of which is something to be proud of or aspire to......like those so easily disregarded ironically were.
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Leni Riefenstahl probably described it best in her old interview with John Pilger......
"the message in her films, the propaganda, was dependent not on "orders from above" but on what she called the "submissive-void" of the public.
"Did this 'submissive-void' include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie (middle class)" I asked her.
"Of course," she said, "especially the intelligentsia (scholars, academics, teachers, journalists, and literary writers).... When people no longer ask serious questions, they are submissive and malleable. Anything can happen."
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@occultrock Back (tracking) to Onlyfans?.....I thought we'd moved on to discussing 'morality' and the differences (and dangers) of societal based Moral-Relativism and Moral-Absolutism over Objective-Morality/reality?
A functioning society does unfortunately require an agreed upon 'morality' basis despite individual views.....otherwise it becomes divided, devolved and then more easily conquered.
The folks most likely to impede free-speech and impose their personal supposed (but lacking) morality/views on others are now sadly the ones who ironically claim to be 'progressive' (while sadly regressive), who seem more than happy to gaslight and completely negate others for a simple differing (or just challenging) opinion as they go about replacing objective-morality/reality with their own self-serving moral-relativism, while telling/fearing themselves (and self-conveniently forgetting) that objective-morality/reality ever happened and that the old over-bearing moral-absolutists are in control and oppressing them.....which isn't hard when their own supposed 'morality', views and narrative has become completely self-serving/obsessed and shameless.
The old conservative, moral-absolutist, power-leveragers and creepies were at least far more umm honest/upfront in their a-holerly.
The new moral-relativist's ironically became even creepier for their own self-convenient cluelessness and glazed-eyed, passive-aggressive, fake-smiles alone, while just telling themselves something pretty and self-serving ......and claiming to be 'virtuous' but not understanding that virtue is something you ARE or DO, not something you simply (like a simpleton) SAY to win conformist-approval while hoping to over-compensate for your own shamelessly self-serving self.
The bigger 'divide, devolve and conquer' creepies must be pretty proud of their own manipulation efforts, where free speech, privacy, or individual rights will sadly end up LESSENED whichever way the pushed-pendulum swings AWAY from Objective-Morality/reality.
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From John Pilger.......In the 1970s, I met Leni Reifenstahl, close friend of Adolf Hitler, whose films helped cast the Nazi spell over Germany. She told me that the message in her films, the propaganda, was dependent not on "orders from above" but on what she called the "submissive-void" of the public.
"Did this 'submissive-void' include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie (middle class)" I asked her.
"Of course," she said, "especially the intelligentsia (institutions, scholars, academics, teachers, journalists, and literary writers).... When people no longer ask serious questions, they are submissive and malleable. Anything can happen."
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There's an almost endless list of reasons to hate the CPC, who have pretty successfully devolved/dehumanised folks in the PRC into hive-ant/machine-like cogs or shameless (while easily-'reward-encouraged' into self-conveniently clueless) grifter/opportunists and self-serving useful idiots.
There's no reason to hate the people in general there though, they're sadly just pawns, like we are in our countries as they're also increasingly being deliberately devolved, after the deliberately enabled/empowered CPC/PRC 'model' proved to be such an effective test-bed for creepy and over-bearing control.
I'm just waiting for our global-overlord-hopefuls and their local, shameless, useful-idiot supposed 'representatives' to ironically start outright tell/selling us that.... "we've gotta BE LIKE the creepy (and CPC devolved) PRC to FIGHT the creepy (and CPC devolved) PRC".
.....especially now that they're also shameless, nasty, self-serving and self-conveniently clueless (and rewarded for it) too, after having managed to normalise so much of the self-destruction/devolution already, especially in/with the apathetic and/or easily-led.
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The manipulative (and then easily-manipulated) attempt to prioritise politeness over objectivity will be the end of us....or the beginning of a sad 'new' reality after the existing one is successfully deconstructed and destroyed like a creepy Cultural Revolution (and then devolution to less)
......ironically via 'old' school (tried and trusted) tools of manipulation like being encouraged and then (easily)led by emotion over our important critical-thinking, the same critical-thinking which once made us better (and to try more too while hoping to seek/find genuine merit) AND is something that can easily cut through any creepy, ideological-based, non-think like a hot knife through butter (which is probably why it is now so feared and actively discouraged).
Then you have all the other self-retarding methods at play too, like the over-encouragement of 'nothing matters/is real' nihilism-apathy and narcissism via (anti)social-media, which sadly drives folks to now search for their self-meaning through the approval of others (and the mob-think majority) like a sad, non-thinking upvote calculator or dehumanised and calculating weighing-machine. (Anubis at least had scales)
Wise folks were once admired for their considered thinking, many lesser folks now just think that they can simply pretend to be umm 'considerate' as a more direct method to then hopefully also be seen as wise but missing the point while so led astray instead by that much easier 'approval from others' (happy-ending jerk-off) and supposed politeness which pretends that it is considerate while confused.
I'm not surprised that Jeremy responded like this, he's one of the wishiest-washiset folks on the net while so hoping to be liked and seen as umm 'considerate' while indecisive (and ironically prone to self-victim-bitching/whining offence almost as much as the folks he often bitches about),.....and Tim Pool has his fence to protect (or fence pole to keep warm)....the Trig blokes are unfortunate as Konstantin does understand much of the above mentioned nastiness......but they too seek their income through the the same and guaranteed, self-retarding algorithm and less-thinking platform.
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"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time—when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness."
"We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements- transportation, communication, and all other industries; agriculture, medicine, education, entertainment, protecting the environment; and even the key democratic institution of voting- profoundly depend on science and technology.
We have also arranged things, so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for awhile, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.
For much of our history, we were so fearful of the outside world, with it’s unpredictable dangers, that we gladly embraced anything that promised to soften or explain away the terror. Science is an attempt, largely successful to understand the world, to get a grip on things, to get a hold of ourselves. To steer a safe course. Microbiology, and meteorology now explain what only a few centuries ago was considered sufficient cause to burn women to death.
Avoidable human misery is more often caused by not so much by stupidity, but by ignorance, particularly ignorance about ourselves. I worry that…pseudoscience and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive."
Carl Sagan
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@BrettMoore66 It's nothing like Tasmania/Australia (despite Taiwan/ROC being around the same size). Why use (and distract) with flawed analogies when you can simply talk about the real/actual place in question and the inconvenient realities you conveniently choose not to see while hoping to badly equate, conflate (and distract)?
Your overly simple definition of China also self conveniently ignores the actual history and reality that China is two entities (since the un-ended civil war), the PRC and the ROC, where the ROC existed before the PRC and has far more claim on Taiwan than the PRC (who have NEVER run or administered it).
Dynastic China is NOT the PRC (or ROC) in the same way the PRC is not the ROC.
I know it's easy to group all Chinese in the region under one self-serving/convenient ethnic-grouping but it completely ignores the actual reality (like the easily-bought and self-serving UN who also don't acknowledge Taiwan/ROC or the actual reality of the situation while they also choose not to understand WHAT the One China Principle actually is).
"Taiwan cannot be a western military power 112km off the coast of mainland china"......according to the PRC!
It isn't a western military power, it is its own independently governed country......and has its own dubious relationship with the west where support is often sadly just self-serving to the self-interested west who are obsessed (and torn) by/between access to all that cheap authoritarian tat in the mainland!
Whenever the PRC threaten to invade Taiwan, AGAINST their own One China Principle agreement with the ROC (whose deliberate diplomatic greyness has kept the peace there for a while now) the US fleet sails through the strait .....to remind the PRC of their own self-serving cluelessness as only two egotistical bullies can unfortunately.
"China is a Communism, Socialism, Capitalism hybrid government"
....that sounds more like Mussolini's accurate description of fascism.
"Why is communism bad?"
......Are you kidding, have you not looked at the results (and human cost) of its already (and current) well 'tested' implementations? .....and true-scotsman excuses like "but that wasn't REAL communism"
Communism (or capitalism) as an 'idea' is simply an idea (ideas are neither right or wrong/good or bad, but simply something to further consider) Communism as an IDEOLOGY unfortunately always takes/subverts those ideas to then quickly devolve into a cult of supposed 'good intentions' (deliberately) NOT further considered.......while also ultimately just ending up an easy way for authoritarian/totalitarian-hopefuls to sell something pretty (and also not further considered) to the easily-led masses, which unfortunately results in self-serving and self-justifying dehumanised-nastiness, where even a differing opinion cannot be tolerated by its fragile and ideologically-devolved single-think ego.
Which alone is a threat to the critical-thinking that has thankfully made us MORE (and aspire to be more) than a simple, less-thinking beast, machine or cog in a wheel (while the threat attempts to dehumanise us into nihilism).
A communist regime ironically wouldn't even allow us to have this very conversation (at leat not me anyway, you'd probably get your 50c and some potential social credit though!)
It strangely DOESN'T have to be Communism vs Capitalism (as much as you'd like a lame binary/take-a-side fight) or cluelessly just abandoning one for the other like a baby and bathwater. Both are ideas whose ACTUAL implementations are far more worrisome.
Free Market Capitalism primary works best when the value of merit/IP is actually valued and monopolising is prevented, but the west is currently in the process of deliberately devolving itself (after ironically inviting their PRC opposite into the free market) where the west increasingly no longer values those principles itself as it increasingly and sadly adopts the "gotta be like the creepy PRC to ironically fight the creepy PRC" narrative as Kissinger and his creepy globalist empowering friends always sadly intended.
.....where we'll all sadly end up with a choice between the State/Corporatist 'communism' of the PRC or the Corporate/State based fascism of the US.....where they'll then expect the easily-distracted to fight for one.....like choosing between Constipation and Diarrhea, where you'd really only EVER want one to be RID of the other.
I'm not a party or ideological partisan myself, especially when it clearly so devolves folks into ideological (and deliberate) less-think and easily-distracted binary side-taking......which just lessens that VERY valuable (and human) critical thinking asset we were all born with (if we choose to use it).
"China's own social score system was a wise cost effective way to police and control the corruption that was holding the nation back"......"colonialism.......ethnic cleansing"
.......crikey you really are ON BOARD!
The corruption hasn't remotely ended unfortunately, not when the CPC is like one giant and self-serving mafia or human centipede where ANY and EVERY nasty thing is simply justified as 'for the state'.......with strangely NO differing (or challenging) opinion tolerated.
"So how do you explain the success of China over equal states like India"
.......Hard working Chinese folks and a lot of them (some forced and really under-paid/un-protected.... 'for the state') and a heap of really big western/outside investment is a big part of it (for the "gotta be like the creepy PRC to umm fight the creepy PRC" initiative)......which was probably a better option than more Cultural Revolutions and Great Leaps Forward when left to its own devices.
Why are you distracting into 'whatabout' talk regarding the deliberately devolving western countries and the wonder of BRICS?
For a precious bloke accusing others of name calling, half truths and distraction you sure are proving to be an aspirational figure.
Keep up those Google searches, you're thankfully allowed to move past page 3 (for now) and read multiple views too!
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