Comments by "Julia P." (@juliap.5375) on "Battle Order"
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@eruno_ A bit wrong.
1. USSR had no possibility to occupy those republics because Ukraine represent 1 out 4 republic which… founded USSR! 😂 Founders: Caucasian Federation (it is from where is Stalin, he is Georgian), Ukraine, Belorussia and Russian Federation.
2. Those republics was not independent. Ukraine nowadays declared self from one of that. How it arrived.
Prehistory: WW1, Feb 1917, revolution in Russia (Emperor Nicolaus 2 was overthown), in few month govt fall, arise of army, Russia fall in process of dissolve. In October 1917 new revolution — to power came Bolsheviks (at that moment de facto country already had no power, so they literally just came and declared self as new authorities).
Foundation of UA: November 1917, German agents in UA proclaimed self as autonomy inside of Russia, then as independent country. Nobody in world recognized this, even so-called Central Powers, enemies of Russia in WW1. In Feb 1918 UA sign treaty with Central Powers (Germany, Austria, Hungary) by which promised to send to them food (WW1 — everywhere is famine) and for this Central Power recognize independence of Ukraine. It was unrealistic treaty, so UA of course immediately failed to provide Central Powers with food and as result Germans and Austrians sent own forces on those territories. But anyway failed and already in December 1918 ran away. So UA as republic existed less than 1 year, recognized only by Germans, de facto founded by Germans and never represent any independent or even real state.
At same time on those modern territories of UA arrived similar "republics", some of them were proclaimed just by local gangs, they represent different movements, even anarchists! Everywhere was Civil War, White, Red, Germans, Austrians, Hungarians, Anarchists, Polish, gangs… total chaos, war of everyone against everyone. In result mainly won misc local communists and socialists (Western Ukraine left under control of Poland until 1939). And already they decide to join to Lenin’s project of communistic super state (Lenin de facto international leader of communists for own era). So already they together with rest founded USSR.
3. UA not proclaimed self as successor of USSR by simple reason — USSR had huge debt. So all republics rejected from this status and became new states with zero debt. While all this huge debt for everyone paid Russia alone (it proclaimed self as successor of USSR).
Try to imagine tomorrow dissolve of USA — how many states will proclaim self as successors of USA with such huge debt? 😂 same is here.
That’s how we got this comedy.
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@eruno_ Omg.
1. On territory of modern Ukraine were declared several republics! Because nobody recognized them and they also not controlled all lands, de jure we talking about virtual entities. You can’t declare one of that entity as Ukraine and reject in same to others.
2. You talks about UPR, satellite regime of Central Powers (as example at summer of 1918 German forces occupied territories where nowadays, in 2023 is war, at that time on that territories existed Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic). As soon as Central Powers lost WW1, this republic also gone. It existed less than 1 year — until Dec 1918. De facto the end of story.
What happened then: after Central Powers lost, on territory of Austrian empire local Polish and Ukrainians decide to proclaim own republics. Both on same lands. It is how arriver Western Ukrainian republic — WUPR, so immediately in November 1918 started war between Polish and WUPR. In weeks Polish took Lviv, some territories also took Romania, Czech also attacked. So WUPR de facto lost and in December remains of UPR and WUPR declared about own union.
Poland defeat remains of WUPR and UPR, took it under own control and moved further. Started Polish-Soviet war where to it joined already forces of Russia.
In result of this story won UPRS. Else one republic which also virtually founded self like UPR in 1917. And already it founded USSR. And 30 years later became it leader.
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