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Comments by "Harry Stoddard" (@HarryS77) on "Keystone Pipeline Spills Record Amount Of Oil In South Dakota" video.
Imagine if the spill had formed the hammer and sickle.
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gsts Who's the single largest consumer of oil? I'll give you a hint, it's not "the hippies."
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Agreed Ben Berzai, yours was an objectively stupid comment. Such self-awareness is refreshing.
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"clean oil" for "smart war"
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If the savings exceed the costs of cleaning up spills, paying legal fees, etc., then yeah, they'll cut on quality. Most fines to big business aren't even a dent in their profits. Have you seen Milton Friedman answer why it is okay for a car company to neglect a $3 per car feature that would have saved thousands of lives? The banality of evil.
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gsts "...is there not a gross inconsistency in their eating the King's bread, and at the same time vilifying his Government?" Anon., Glasgow Courier 1793, anent a professor advocating for republicanism. I post that quote to show how old and tired that sort of argument is. What is the professor supposed to do, toe the line or starve himself to death? The republican professor can eat the King's bread and still be right in his advocacy for freer government. I would gladly choose a clean, environmentally sustainable mode of transit for my commute and errands. I would, but I can't because none exists. Transportation systems are social decisions, not the superficial "choices" of the market, like whether I want to drive a Ford or a Honda. That's the real issue—how to create a sustainable transit system—not your petty individualistic bullshit. If I see any hippies driving around in Hummers, I'll be sure to let you know. BTW the largest single consumer is the US military.
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Duffman15000 Do yourself (and everyone here) a favor and read up on spills before mouthing off about eco-terrorist non-sense. In North Dakota alone, 3000 spills went unreported. Spills happen often.
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"Believe it or not these pipes are actually scoocum as fuck. No one wants to lose thousands of barrels of stuff that costs $55 per barrel. And then costs even more to wash off the ducks and squirrels." Duffman15000 "Ralph Russo wow a whole whopping 4,000,000 barrels spilled in 20 years while the overall consumption is ~16,000,000 per day." Also Duffman CAN YOU FEEL THE LOJIK??? Also, what the hell is "scoocum." Maybe I don't want to know. 1) Oil is corrosive to the environment. Several thousands of barrels in a river can be devastating. It doesn't take, like, all the oil to have a negative effect. 2) The spills are bad for the environment, and the oil burned is bad for the environment. It's not like everything's hunky-dory once the gas gets in your car. It's all bad. All. Do you get that? Jesus fuck, the density of some people's skulls.
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Obviously not the sense of corrosive I was using. When you've lost an argument and can't provide actual facts, I guess pedantry is the last option.
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"Don''t get into a fight with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
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I hope Ralph Russo gets the help he needs...
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http://www.fss.txstate.edu/ehsrm/safetymanual/chemical/corrosiv.html This may be what Chase is talking about https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tar-sand-oil-and-pipeline-spill-risk/
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Duffman, at this point you don't even have an argument; just a lot of word-slinging. You call others scientifically illiterate, yet provide no credentials of your own, nor do you cite experts on the topic. Your only real contribution to the discussion has been to suggest that maybe eco-terrorists were responsible for the spill (while brushing off the thousands upon thousands of other spills), a claim for which you provide no evidence.
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The cost of that all that cheap energy will be sadly felt for generations into the future. Hardly something to celebrate.
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It's crap like this that the government allowed to happen.
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self-sadist = masochist
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Rail spills cp to pipeline spills: IEA market report page 133-4 http://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/MTOMR2013_free.pdf). The “risk of a train incident [is] 6-times higher than that of a pipeline, while pipelines spill 3-times more per 1 billion barrel-miles of crude oil transported over the 2004-2012 period."
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You've got to admire his tenacity though. I love how he tried to play this off "Jeremy Chase what's a "corrosives"? you dolt" like he was asking "what/which corrosives," when he clearly thinks you misused an adjective as a plural noun (nothing worse than a pedant). But he's the scientifically literate one. Sometimes I wonder what it must be like to be so immune to facts and your own shortcomings.
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Didya read the link I posted about tar sands oil corroding pipes? Didya?? Come on, be honest, you didn't.
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Chase said, "People over hydrate, so obviously we should poison it." Meaning that because people over hydrate we should poison the water with oil. You know to add the "with oil" part because that's what this whole discussion has been about. I was wrong: there is something worse than a pedant: a pedant who's so consistently wrong. No one's protesting a drop of oil in the water, which wouldn't matter. We're protesting the reality and eventuality that large amounts, massive amounts, of oil will spill into water that people and animals rely on.
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If oil spills were measured in milligrams you'd have a point. They aren't. You have no point.
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That's taking it a bit too far.
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Maybe he hasn't read the IEA report that says they spill less often but more volume overall. Don't blame him: reading's hard.
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