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@Crokey The US and the EU may have favoured the Maidan revolution, but that does not mean that they orchestrated it. Everything was settled for Ukraine to sign the association agreement with the EU in late 2013 but Yanukovych bowed to pressure (and rubles) from Moscow. Many – most, but not all – were upset about this, hence the protests. The reason why Putin denies Ukraine’s sovereignty is that neo-imperial Russia still sees Ukraine as an appendage.
Zelensky was invested in finding a solution for the Donbas. That was one of the main pillars of his political project. The problem with Minsk treaties is the issue of interpretation– read about the so-called ‘Minsk Conundrum.’ Russia’s demands re. (a) elections and (b) the 'special status' for the Donbass were unacceptable for Ukraine. For 8 years, Russia has been using the region as a tool to puppetize all of Ukraine.
You can't just call that a mere civil war when Russia has been involved in the region since 2014 with intel, funds, men and weapons.
OSCE monitors remained in the region up until Russia decided to full on invade Ukraine. These OSCE monitors have compiled great data – which I am sure you are familiar with. And as you probably know, the conflict had stalled. The number of deaths was unacceptable but very low compared to the initial stages (27 in 2019, 26 in 2020, 15 up until August 2021). As you also know very well, bullets and shells have been flying across the contact line, in both directions, which you conveniently omit.Ukraine had not increased its pressure over its own territory in 2021/2022.
You claim that Putin cares about the Ukrainian people. To that, I say to you: "ha!" I can see how: by destroying their country, by seizing their territory, by meddling in their affairs, by killing thousands upon thousands (including civilians), by destroying their homes, schools and hospitals, by having their military commit war crimes and a long etc. If Putin had cared about Ukraine (again, a sovereign country, and not his own, this is not Chechnya), he would not have started this all. He would not have groznied Ukrainian towns and cities. He would have agreed to UN peacekeepers and not claimed that they would veto any of that. Nah. Putin cares about his own interests, his neo-imperial delusions of grandeur and his material objectives in Ukraine. Nothing more, nothing else.
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@safiibrahim1778 I don't think that they are, to be honest. When we talk about gas, we need to check the connections that link Russia to the East. There's only one pipeline which can't deliver large volumes as of now. There is another one being built, but that will take years to finish. Western technology is required to finalize that pipeline, which can't be imported as of now, so the project may take longer to finalize. Also, China won't be as stupid as the Europeans to almost exclusively rely on Russia for their gas, so Putin and co. do have a problem on that front at least in the short to medium term.
Re. oil, Russia's oil is not the cheapest around to produce. Saudi's, Iran's and Iraq's oil is much cheaper. Indonesia's, Norway's and US' oil are more or less the same price. Russia's oil is also easier to replace in the global market than gas is, because there are more sellers. And now that it needs to be shipped further away (5 days are likely to become 30+ for the average Russian tanker to reach its destination), it becomes less competitive. So that's something to consider. OPEC is currently pumping more oil into the global supply and, along with other reasons, crude oil prices have decreased quite a bit since they went bananas in March.
So, no, I don't think so. It may look like they do, but when you start scratching the surface, the reality is more complicated.
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@safiibrahim1778 It's very hard to talk about medium to long term scenarios. The West's global power in relative terms will decline, but it's just very hard to make proper predictions about all the rest.
China has a terminal demography, which will really bite them. They only have a short window of time to escape the middle income trap before their society gets too old, which will have very clear implications for growth, among others. Japan, for instance, got 'rich' before it got old, and even so, their demographic profile is really hurting them. We will see whether China manages that transition adequately, which may not be the case.
We are also in the midst of an energy transition. China has a bit of an upper hand in this when it comes to the supply of rare earth minerals, but hydrocarbon exporters such as Russia may be losing big in the medium term. Saudi Arabia, for instance, knows this, that's why they are diversifying its economy at the moment - to be prepared.
New markets for the minerals that you quote above can be explored. Investment needs to follow suit. China has the monopoly on many because they invested in extraction domestically and tried to control some of the african supply chains. That does not mean it is a fixed matter - things can change in that respect.
Russia's self sufficiency does not mean they will be necessarily doing Ok - problematic demographic profile too, brain drain, they will find it hard to move up the value chain ladder in many sectors, a very big country yes but also difficult to manage in terms of infrastructure /logistics, new pariah status with not blocked but severely curtailed access to investment and funding, and many others.
TLDR: it's hard to look very far into the future, especially when we talk about so many things at once. But I do appreciate you keeping it civil and I do appreciate the reasonable reply.
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@CorruptMediaLies CNN lmao. Try harder. 400k - 800k protesters during the height of the movement according to different sources. 50k - 200k during normal days. You don't know much about protest movements, do you? These are huge figures for a country like Ukraine. They clearly reflected the growing support for EU membership, which had grown considerably since the 90s. I can get you some figures if you'd like. When you think about it, it's no wonder that Ukrainians had gotten tired of the Kremlin's neo-vassalage arrangement for their country - it only brought poverty, corruption and extreme inequality (a la Russian, but worse).
Everything was ready for the agreement to be signed, but Yanukovich - Putin's pal and world most corrupt leader of that year according to Transparency International - backed off after the Kremlin probably gave him personal treats plus promises of 15b in loans and discounts in the natural gas bills. This was widely unpopular across Ukraine. Do you know what was also widely unpopular? The fact that Yanukovich ordered police forces to shoot live rounds at protestors. 108 dead. ~2,000 injured.
Not everyone was happy with the Maidan, sure, but it was largely supported. There were clashes in cities like Odessa and ugly incidents as well.
This, however, was not enough of a cause to justify the invasion of Crimea and the take-over of the Eastern third of the Donbass - because as we all know by now, many of those combatants as well as funds, intel and weapons made it into Ukraine from Russia (do you think that they shot down that plane with a rusty Kalashnikov?)
Oh, the Minsk agreements. Have you read them? Did you know that Russia had a bunch of obligations under them that they never abode by, or is this fresh news to you?
This is, let's remember, the same Russia that promised to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty when the Budapest Memorandum was signed.
Now we have Russia invading more of Ukraine (yes, more of Ukraine) to do exactly what? To liberate the 15% self-declared ethnic Russians in Kherson to later bomb the s*** out of the city once they lost control of it and destroy all the civilian infrastructure? Apparently this oblast voted 87% pro unification with Russia lmao. Give me a break.
You talk extremism in Ukraine. There's extremism in Ukraine. There's a lot of extremism in Russia too. Did you know? Would you like some names? Lately though, the worst offender is the state itself as we are seeing with all the war crimes and the destruction of Ukraine's civilian infrastructure. Again. 200k dead on both sides since March, 6m plus displaced in Ukraine. I think the EU label State Sponsor of Terrorism is quite fitting.
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@lovedogshatepeople4340 Minsk accords: Russia has interfered in the Donbass for a long, long time now. To Russia, the Donbass acts as the pawn that allows them to keep Ukraine as a vassal in their neo-colonial strategy. The Minsk accords are not clearly worded, and Russia's interpretation of them is plain insane. I suggest that you read about the Minsk Conundrum. But of course, regurgitating Russian propaganda is easier than reading pages of material.
Donetsk and Donbass: Russia has been sending troops, money, intelligence officers and weapons to internationally recognized Ukrainian territory since 2014 and you expect that the Ukrainians would not fight back? What would happen if the West sent troops, weapons and funds to Chechnya and armed rebels? Would Moscow sit idly and just look?
The Ghost of Kyiv? Oh God, wow, terrible lies about an urban legend, so baaaaad, outrageous eh! In the meantime, Russia has kept lying about their exercises and not invading Ukraine, about the war - a 'special operation' -, about their justifications to invade Ukraine, about the thousands of civilians that they have killed so far (including the war crimes in Bucha), about 'bio-labs,' about NATO being actively involved, about Zelensky leaving Ukraine, about them not striking non military targets, about sexual abuse cases by their military, about forced relocations, about Ukraine's history... about pretty much everything.
Russia is the aggressor. Russia invaded Ukraine. Ukraine is trying to keep their country as it is, a sovereign nation recognized by all nations on earth, including Russia. Russia is acting in a neo-colonial, murderous fashion, needs to be called out and should pay for it.
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@natakhomyakova6996 The Russian gov. cracks down on free media and is happy to ban not only international but also national platforms which don't adhere to the mainstream narrative too (Kommersant, Gazeta, Lenta and Grani and many others). The Russian gov. intimidates United Russia's high profile opponents in various ways - sometimes they are poisoned, sometimes they are defenestrated, sometimes they are imprisoned (Navalny), sometimes they are outright killed (Nemtsov). Journalists too critical of the regime and the grand corruption which exists in Russia (5b USD spent on a 50 km road in Sochi LMAO) are targeted and sometimes assassinated (Politkovskaya among many others). Human Rights activists are imprisoned under the draconian 'foreign agent' premise. The Russian gov. clearly manipulates elections and engages in electoral fraud (i.e. factory workers bussed to election sites under the watchful eye of the employer - electoral violations to do with employment are the most common). The Russian gov. feeds its citizens a politics of fear and uses force to suppress civil society - anyone who openly labels this a war or says they are against it, can easily be sent to prison (much free speech). Nepotism is rampant across public agencies (ie. 1/4 of governors, 20% of presidential administrators and 1/4 of state owned companies managers are affiliated with the security services).
I can keep going on for ages, if you'd like to hear more beautiful things about your country (:
But it is not just me saying this. Freedom House gives Russia a grand total of 19 points out of a 100, and labels it "not free" (Abkhazia, for instance, gets 40 lol). Russia gets 3.24 out of 10 points in the economist's democracy index - i.e. not a democracy. Check out ANY international ranking you'd like and see for yourself. Russia is riddled with troubled in her politics. Just because you close your eyes and cover your ears, it won't go away.
The bad news is that people like yourself keep supporting a terrible regime which has been ruining your country for a few years now. Ukrainians are paying for it, but you are starting to feel the heat now and will increasingly get burnt.
The good news is that you can be honest with yourself, get informed, leave that pointless pride on the side and do something about it.
At the end of the day, I guess it is up to you, but please, two favors. If you want to destroy yourselves, and be miserable, I guess go ahead, but don't destroy others along the path. And two, don't tell us that Russia is a democracy because that's truly a pathetic take on things as they stand.
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@TheExtraterrestrial99 I never claimed that the poll involved 20m + people. Never. I said that there are 20m+ people in Taiwan with different political opinions.
If you know anything about statistics, polls are all about representative samples. Check out, for instance, the surveys conducted by the Election Study Center at the National Chengchi University. They also make their methodology public. Certainly not a he said / she said thing. Also, very clear that a tiny, tiny minority favour 'unification.' But there are similar surveys/polls out there, it is all about doing the research (:
Btw, to be as opinionated as you are about this topic, especially as a foreigner, you should know much more about polling data imho.
Also, that's my last response to you. Xie xie.
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@TheExtraterrestrial99 I can't with you, really.
This is a representative survey by a competent authority. Similar polls by similar institutions yield pretty much the same results.
Polls/surveys work with representative samples. If you don't know how surveys/polls are conducted, you should learn more about it. Again, for the third fricken time, I never claimed that 20m + Taiwanese people said X, Y or Z. Never. I argued, very clearly, that Taiwan is a democracy, that polls are conducted on these questions (unlike in the mainland), that there is obvs a diversity of opinion, and that despite said diversity, virtually nobody wants reunification.
If it is not clear enough to you, you need to take a course on basic stats:
PRO UNIFICATION: 6.4%
- Unification ASAP, 1.3%
- Maintain status quo, move towards unification 5.1%
OPTIONS PRO STATUS QUO AND PRO INDEPENDENCE - 87.3%
NO RESPONSE - 6.3%
"Twisting information" lol. Not even with the polling data in front of your eyes can you see the reality of Taiwanese public opinion. Not my fault that you have a bias larger than life.
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@benvandam369 What happened in Donbass is that Russia interfered with men, weapons, funds and intel in the affairs of a sovereign country. Imagine that Turkey had intervened in Chechnya. If Russia had been any concerned about the people in Eastern Ukraine, it would have gone through the UN first, not vetoing any resolutions on the matter. But of course, it did not. With the 'people of the Donbass' pretext, it sought to gain a foothold in Ukraine, which it did. It invaded, seized, and sent the very same people it was supposed to protect to war, like cannon fodder, against their will. That's what happened in the region.
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@ДмитрийКруглик-х9ц 1. 'Arguably' to add some nuance, but I did not really have to do so because these figures come from no other than the Russian government itself. I suggest that you listen to some of the people who were forcebly deported to Russia who were interviewed by non-Russian media. They offer interesting insights (cue: many of them did not go to their families, esp. children, but don't listen to me, but them). Also interesting to think about the legal implications of this, but not that you care I am sure.
2. You do love to continue to exploit that anti-Nazi rethoric (everyone who does not agree with you is a fascist ofc), but it has gotten old, pal. Maybe you can pull that trick in Russian state media and have people believe you, but not here. Also, I very clearly said that there needs to be a distinction made between the state and the individual. And when I mentioned 'judging,' we don't put people in prison for thought crimes over here, let alone do what you are referring to, but I see that you are into hyperboles. One more thing on that end. The Russian state behaves like a pariah today, but it also has a pretty terrible recent history in its previous reincarnation in terms of deaths and suffering, which to be fair is not much better than Nazi Germany's. Nothing to be proud of, for sure. So a bit wild of you to made those accusations.
3. - A bad analogy is a bad analogy, yours is pretty dreadful (and you know it), and it does not detract from the fact that the vast majority of the world's nations disapproved of what you are doing (and that only Russia and its 4 satellites were for it). But if you personally want to believe that Russia has quite a bit of popularity at the global stage, especially lately... I guess that's up to you. Not that it is true, mind you.
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