Comments by "Dale Crocker" (@dalecrocker3213) on "Trump's Ukraine Peace Plan Explained" video.

Who cares what the EU thinks? You helped start this war, you shouldn't be allowed to help stop finishing it.
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Russia doesn't need all of Ukraine, nor does it want it.
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@driedmelon The war began before Russia invaded and was the direct result of the EU attempting to take over Ukraine, with dire consequences for the Russian economy.
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@ethancoster1324 Because the EU wanted to take it over - with dire effects on the Russian economy.
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@norbertlipusz3892 The question is: what and where is Ukraine? The huge mistake which was made was to have made the new country of Ukraine match the footprint of the former Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine. This entity - created by Russia - contained a great deal of of actual Russian territory, which was stuck on to " Ukraine" for mainly administrative reasons, in the 1920's and even in 1954, in the case of Crimea. The territory now in dispute is "Ukraine" only on paper. Historically, and in terms of population and cultural bias, these areas are Russian.
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@ethancoster1324 But most importantly it would have denied Russia access to their incredibly rich mineral resources in Donbass, mined, developed and paid for by Russians for centuries.
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@DiegroßeStille Not quite. The puppet was duly elected, and was replaced by an American puppet , following a rebellion.
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This is going to save Russia a fortune in concrete. With a demilitarised zone they won't need to build fortifications to protect liberated Donbass from potential future Ukrainian/NATO aggression.
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@krashme997 The EU wanted Ukraine, not Russia. This would have denied Russia access to the highly profitable mineral resources of Donbass, which it has operated for centuries, even after Ukrainian independence.
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@SchnuffiJames So what? That was then and this is now.
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@SchnuffiJames So what? That was then and this is now.
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@ethancoster1324 But EU restrictions would surely have seriously undercut Russian interests in Donbass to an inacceptable degree. This war is about retaining control over vast resources.
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@Arctic_Dude Of course it does. But it is entirely unfair for it to take Donbass and Crimea with it. These areas owe their prosperity entirely to Russian investment and labour. Putin has made it entirely clear that -however regrettable - Western Ukraine can join the EU, but it cannot hive off centuries of Russian investment and labour in the East.
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@SelfProclaimedEmperor That is total crap. Russia and Ukraine could have sorted this border and resources dispute out between them without a shot being fired. But greedy Western eyes have prevented this. It is America, the EU and Western investment companies with their eyes on Ukraine's mineral resources which have led us into this dreadful war.
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@Antimonium Russia already has access to Ukraine's mineral resources. It is having this taking away which is causing this needless war.
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@Dread_2137 Why would Russia want to though?
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@natopor But the EU did want to take Ukraine on board. And this would have had dire economic consequences for Russia. Peaceful solutions, advanced over more than ten years. were rejected, leaving Russia with little choice other than to take military action.
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@Boosher_ It is not a false narrative. The false narrative is the one you have been fed.
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@norbertlipusz3892 You are confusing logic with reason. There are no moral imperatives involved here.
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@norbertlipusz3892 But what if it was your stupid, drunken grandfather who signed the paper while a cunning lawyer put the pen in his hand?
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@mihaimoldo You couldn't find your arse with a compass and a map.
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@norbertlipusz3892 Huh?
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@Raven777777777777777 You're not too far out, but the simple fact of the matter is that Ukraine joining NATO and the EU would, in their separate ways, be disastrous for Russia. Whatever foolishness his predecessors may have indulged in, Putin has recognised this and has taken steps accordingly. You mention Budapest. These treaties are just another example of how steps taken to bring a halt to a dangerous situation create a far more dangerous situation a decade or three hence. Without Versailles there would be no World War II , for example. And without the Entente Cordiale and the various treaties following the Franco-Prussian war there would have been no World War I. And without the Budapest Accords there would be no present war in Ukraine.
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@miguelmartinez5886 No gymnastics needed. I never said the EU did it.
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@Mr_Topek Ukraine joining the EU was the trigger which started this war.
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@damianosdamai1022 You miss the main point, which is that in joining the EU Ukraine would deprive Russia of access to at least 13 trillion dollarsworth of coal, gas, oil and lithium and in joining NATO would severely infringe upon Russia's military security. War has been very much the last resort, all peaceful diplomatic solutions having been rejected by Ukraine, largely at the behest of the US and its allies.
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@Mr_Topek Obviously Russia does have a say in the matter, otherwise there would be no war.
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@Raven777777777777777 This just shows how much Putin would have preferred a peaceful solution.
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@Dread_2137 This is imperialism only in the sense that Russia is fighting to protect its existing interests.
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@norbertlipusz3892 Huh?
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@juliuszkocinski7478 I think Putin realises this. In his essay on Russia/Ukraine relations published just before the invasion he makes it clear that, however regretfully, he cannot stand in the way of Ukraine turning its face to the West - but he draws the line at the more Russianised parts in the East being forced to do so. This is entirely understandable, especially since it would prevent Russia's continued access to the huge mineral wealth of these areas, which are worth billions of dollars a year.
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@Dread_2137 In fact they do. The mines and industries of Donbass are the result of decades of Russian investment, and many are still owned by Russian companies and their wealth is channelled through Russia. The big mistake was assuming that the former Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine was a discrete country as such. It wasn't. It was an annexe of Russia, more or less, and the Eastern parts and Crimea were only included for administrative reasons - by Russia.
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@Dread_2137 Possibly so. But you can see Russia's point - and a great deal of force doesn't come into it. Many inhabitants of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea are Russian and prefer rule from Moscow to rule from Kiev. The Russians were generally welcomed with open arms when they went into Crimea in 2014 and the separatist movement in Donbass, although orchestrated by Russia to a large extent, nonetheless has a firm basis in local feeling.
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@Mr_Topek Who said anything about a document or agreement? Russia's position has nothing to do with legality or otherwise, it is based on an entirely understandable self-interest.
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@norbertlipusz3892 This is totally irrelevant. Even if you are forced to process everything through some kind of absurd moral filter before making a judgement, this parallel doesn't even get to first base.
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@norbertlipusz3892 You are already being silly. Putin is his country's leader, and his country supports his actions. He has been forced into the grim necessity of war to prevent Russia from being humiliated by its enemies, and to prevent a very significant source of energy and revenue from being taken over by foreigners. Before giving medical advice you might perhaps learn a little history, as well as getting rid of the cod psychology and abandoning the high moral tone.
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@Dread_2137 I don't know where you got this tosh from, probably from CNN. The separatist movement is a genuine response to Kiev's neglect of Donbass, where wages and profits dropped dramatically following Ukrainian independence and where the authorities were pursuing a policy of "de-Russification." Russia helped organise and coalesce it certainly, but this is no different to what America does and it still doing in Georgia and which it did in Ukraine before and after independence. There were practically no Ukrainians living in Crimea when Russia took it from the Ottomans in 1783, and there were very few living there when Russia took it from Ukraine in 2014. The population was overwhelmingly Russian. Tatars were shipped out from Crimea, and indeed Donbass, during imperial times and under Stalin, and replaced by Russians so I suppose you must have got this piece of history mixed up with present day events.
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@norbertlipusz3892 You do have a talent for drawing absurd parallels, don't you? I can't really see Ronald Macdonald taking up arms to take back a business which he had given up anyway.
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@Mr_Topek Who says? Modern Ukraine is largely a Russian construct for one thing, and for another countries obviously have an interest in regulating the behaviour of their neighbours if that behaviour threatens to harm them. As it does in this instance.
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@norbertlipusz3892 There is no such thing as international law in any real sense of the world. How can there be? A system of law can only exist in a defined community, with a defined set of values and a police and legal system geared to protecting these generally agreed principles. A country can have and police laws because it is such a community, but the world as a whole is not such a community. After World War II the victors, led by America, attempted to set up a system of international law, but it is an utter sham, designed purely to advance American interests on the world stage. Russia is resisting American colonialism, which proceeds under cover of this sham. You can't put the cart before the horse. It is possible that one day the world will be a united entity, and then a system of agreed laws can be put into place; but you can't create a united world by installing a system of laws designed to protect the interests of one country and then expect the world to become united because of it.
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@norbertlipusz3892 I really do think that the Russian Federation is an entirely different animal to the old Soviet Union. The Russian people recognised its oppression as much as those in Warsaw Pact countries, and this was one of the several reasons for its demise. It might be argued that having experienced the horrors and stupidity of communism, and the difficulties in maintaining an empire, Russia is now in a position where it ought to become integrated into a wider world community - but it must be allowed to do so on its own terms, and not as just another American vassal, which seems to be the only option being made available to it at the moment.
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@norbertlipusz3892 It has nothing to do with appeasing a dictator and nothing to do with the excesses of the Soviet Union. The Russian Federation is an entirely different animal - but it has the right to preserve its territorial identity and its existing commercial interests. Ukraine joining the EU strikes at the heart of the very large commercial benefits Russia still obtains from the mining industry in Donbass, and Ukraine joining NATO strikes at the heart of Russia's security from Western aggression. It is foolish to imagine Ukraine's activities operate in a vacuum. Its policies impinge upon Russia and this gives Russia not only the right but the necessity of attempting to restrict them.
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@norbertlipusz3892 Why would I want to scold him? He's only doing his job.
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@norbertlipusz3892 It may not directly benefit Ukraine for Russia to be a member of BRICS, but I cannot see any way in which it brings any direct harm - which, as I have explained, is not the case with Ukraine's potential membership of the EU. That is the essential difference.
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@norbertlipusz3892 Putin being necessarily ruthless has nothing to do with the fact that Russia is now a reasonably prosperous country, where the shops are full and life is full and corruption and bribery are but a shadow of what they were under communism. It is necessary, for some reason, for people in the West to have something to hate in order that they behave themselves properly. Russia has filled this role for far too long.
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Same difference.
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The potential collapse of the Russian economy is just another myth designed to keep the Ukrainians fighting. Ain't gonna happen.
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But Putin won't be in charge then and the whole world picture will have altered - hopefully in such a way as to make such a scenario pointless.
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