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Comments by "Dale Crocker" (@dalecrocker3213) on "UK coronavirus cases jump by 14,162 with death toll up by 70" video.
Where do these figures come from? According to the WHO there were 19 deaths recorded in the UK yesterday where the deceased had tested positive for Covid 19 in the previous four weeks. Nineteen, NOT 70.
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@Cliv Ings I use the WHO dashboard. Why the difference? I don't get it.
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Sweden's economic recovery is higher than the European average, It's death rate is comparative with other countries with low flu deaths in preceding years. It really is a success story. People are moving freely and deaths have ceased. They have herd immunity and money to invest in the future.
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@jamescorneliustaylor6997 I have to disagree. My view is that the virus wins all round. It does what it has to do through sheer force of numbers and our interventions do little more than delay the inevitable. It does not stop until it has reached all those who are non-immune - or at least until we are at a stage where the chances of an infected person coming in contact with a non-immune person are negligible. High death rates are the result of success in previous years in keeping flu deaths down. This has led to the "dry tinder" effect where there is a residue of frail and elderly people who have escaped respiratory failure in previous flu seasons but who had no resistance to Covid 19. As to herd immunity, it seems that between 40% and 80% of the population have T cell immunity due to resistance to other covids, of which there are many. Some studies suggest that in the UK the figure is toward the higher end. This could mean that we may need as little as 26% new immunity for Covid 19 to become just another of the covid infections which afflict us in the autumn and winter. That is what appears to be happening right now.
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@Cliv Ings The countries are very different. The dry tinder in Sweden was very high, with a large number of people having survived previous flu seasons and most of the deaths have been concentrated in its largest and most overcrowded cities. And there is that matter of which we must not speak -deaths among immigrants from southerly climes. At the start of the pandemic Somali born Swedes were dying at five times the rate of natives. Rather than compare Sweden with its smaller neighbours we should compare it with the UK and the deaths per million are very similar.
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@Cliv IngsSo many factors enter into a country's performance. Geographic proximity is not all that relevant. As to age, Sweden has an intensively protective attitude towards the elderly following flu pandemic disasters in the past. A huge proportion of the Swedish Covid 19 deaths were of people over 90, let alone 65. Dark-skinned people living in temperate climes are known to die at significantly higher levels with Covid 19, even when social factors are taken into consideration. Lack of vitamin D is thought to be the probable reason. In the last analysis, and as harsh as may sound, the vast majority of those who have died have been elderly people with severe co-morbidities. Sacrificing freedoms and economic stability simply in order to give them a year or two more of life is not a sound policy.
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@Cliv Ings Sussed it. 70 is the average for the week.
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@Cliv Ings Still way, way off a second wave. I go along with these figures simply representing Covid 19's contribution to the normal autumn/winter respiratory disease death rate.
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@Cliv Ings The costs are incalculable. The thing is the virus has to do what it has to do. It will only stop when it runs out of non-immune targets. I'm hopeful that will happen soon, but there seem to be so many vested interests trying to squeeze this for all its worth. It's actually pretty low down on the league table for pandemics.
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@mediterraneandiet2483 I know. It's so absurd, I'm really having to put on my tinfoil hat for this one.
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