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Dale Crocker
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Comments by "Dale Crocker" (@dalecrocker3213) on "Coronavirus immunity may only last a few months, scientists find" video.
This is such a total lie. All antibodies disappear in time otherwise we would be stuffed to the gills with them! They are replaced by a small number of T cells which have memorised the genetic code of the invading virus. If it reappears they multiply in huge numbers and set out to deal with new invasion. Science knows this. What it doesn't know is why so many in the media are so intent on terrifying us with falsehoods about Covid 19.
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@r0bz372 As is the case in all viral infections. Antibodies are replaced by T cells which are far fewer in number and harder to detect; but which reproduce in vast quantities should the infection re-appear.
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@Weelonmusk You miss the point. That figure is solely because of the large Covid death rate in Spring. Currently Covid deaths are well below flu and pneumonia in the UK and have been ever since the pandemic halted in July/August. Go to the Office of National Statistics for full details. The last release was on October 20 and covers all deaths up until October 9. At that date deaths from all causes were about the five year average with deaths where Covid 19 had been present only a very small percentage of the total.
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@Weelonmusk That was then and this is now. Currently more people are dying of flu and pneumonia than with Covid 19 in this country.
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@Weelonmusk You are still missing the point. Of course Covid has killed more between January and August, No-one disputes that. There was the huge peak in Covid deaths when it first hit. It is the current situation which is important. Since Covid deaths dropped to near zero in July more people are dying from flu and pneumonia than are dying from Covid. Look at the graphs, especially the bar chart, and you will see what I mean.
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@Weelonmusk All lockdowns do is kick the can down the road. Look at the graph and see if there was any drop in deaths because of it. There wasn't. The rate of decline in deaths may have increased slightly but at the end of the day a virus kills everyone that is available to be killed, no matter what you do. It ran out of people in July and is now only finding more people to kill because more have become available, due to winter conditions making the frail and elderly vulnerable to respiratory infections. It is in a race with flu to see which gets to them first, that's all.
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@Weelonmusk That's one factor - but only one. At least we've stopped killing old people by intubating them, and some of the treatments are very effective. But that doesn't explain the huge disparity between the number of infections and the number of deaths. The number of deaths was declining rapidly before the lockdown and the curve showed little alteration after it. Furthermore the pattern has been entirely predictable. Most epidemics work in exactly the same way. Fortunately actual events are outrunning our arguments. The death rate up from late July up until October 9 show Covid having no impact worth speaking of. The next load of data is due out on November 3 and I suspect it will show a similar story. Thereafter we will have to see how many of the anticipated 2,000 or so deaths a day can fairly be attributed to Covid 19.
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@Weelonmusk Only in part. And why are they rising now in that case? If we got the death rate down to zero because we were so clever, why have we allowed it to rise again?
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@Weelonmusk We didn't allow summer to pass. It did that all on its own. And I thought you were talking about the number of deaths, not the number of cases. I ask again: if we knew in June, July and August how to treat patients so successfully as to reduce the death rate to zero, how come we have forgotten how to in October?
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@Weelonmusk But there is no relation between the easing of lockdowns and the number of deaths. Deaths are increasing because the summer is over and respiratory diseases increase greatly at this time of year. How do you explain the ten week gap in deaths between July and the start of October? How does this relate to the pattern of measures taken? The virus rules, not us. Nothing we do - apart from catch it and become immune - does anything other than delay its spread. The death rate is related pretty exclusively to the number of people around who are weak enough to die from it. Our best efforts may save some of the sturdier ones - but not many.
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@Weelonmusk So a permanent lockdown is the only answer then?
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@Weelonmusk Any idea how long that will be? Or why we have never done such a thing before? Or why the World Health Organisation advises strongly against it?
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