Comments by "Dale Crocker" (@dalecrocker3213) on "" video.

Lies are a weapon of war. The fact is that when under pressure and in fear of death most people behave badly. All these accusations are probably true at one time or another, and even when they are not they can easily be made to seem so. War throws morality out of the window. It is absurd for those of us on the sidelines to judge the actions of those engaged in war. War is not about right and wrong. It is about killing or being killed.
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@peterebel7899 What nonsense. War is generally a last resort in this day and age and this is certainly the case here. Putin's demands are entirely reasonable. Peaceful compromises have been treated with distain and he has decided to use force instead.
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@mariogmajner6549 Well, it is a war of propaganda. Ukraine's poster-boy leader typifies the situation. Like the country itself he has been trotted out as a surrogate and potential whipping-boy for the real forces at work here.
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@peterebel7899 You like lists? How about this one: A list of Russian invasions, coups, and interventions since the break up of the Soviet Union. Syria Chechnya Georgia (Afghanistan and the other countries you mention are all pre Putin. You are still confusing present-day Russia with the former Soviet Union.) And by comparison, here is a list of invasions, coups, and interventions by NATO members since the break up of the Soviet Union. Iraq (twice) Rwanda Yugoslavia Nepal Afghanistan Liberia Ethiopia Guinea Bissau Philippines Venezuela Syria Iran Libya Colombia Haiti Ukraine Yemen Palestine It is also worth mentioning that the Chechnya and Georgia interventions were both purely means by which to secure Russians borders. Only the Syria intervention can be interpreted as a means if securing commercial interests. All the NATO interventions have been in this category, however, and were basically acts of aggression carried out on behalf of the US military/industrial complex.
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@jiversteve This makes no sense. It is not written in English.
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@candidaprout560 You really should acquaint yourself with the historical background to the crisis. The people of Eastern Ukraine want to be free too- free from Ukraine. And the Russian people want to be free from the threat of NATO encirclement,
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@arturobianco848 It is entirely reasonable to expect Ukraine to agree to regional autonomy for Donbass and to guarantee they will not allow their country to become yet another NATO base with missiles pointing at Russia.
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@peterebel7899 Stop being so foolish. If a country is threatened and attempts for a peaceful solution have failed then war is sometimes the only answer.
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@klausschumacher7126 In an ideal world you first assertion could well be true, America has carried out a strategy of expansion through violence or the threat of violence for many years and many people have been killed as a result. Although it is suggested that Putin has similar motives I don't believe this is true. He is defending his country against American aggression via NATO.
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@jiversteve This is not a game. It is not a series of cricket matches. Victories and defeats in war have true impact and meaning. The present situation is that the US, via NATO, has been encircling Russia every since the break-up of the Soviet Union. Russia simply cannot be expected to tolerate this. No country should. Ukraine's slow seduction is the last straw. More than with any other of its neighbours Russia has a very special relationship with Ukraine. To allow it to become a missile base for a declared enemy would be intolerable. All Russia asks us that Ukraine agrees not to join NATO and allows the Donbass regions to become autonomous republics, acting as buffer states, just in case. If this is agreed the war could end tomorrow.
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@ellied.violet7372 Not much chance of China joining up I agree! If I use the word "encirclement" too loosely then please forgive me. The fact is though that, despite early promises that it would not happen, no fewer that 13 countries have joined NATO since the break-up of the Soviet Union some thirty years ago. Countries such as Finland, Sweden and the Eastern former Soviet republics will be seduced into joining, and the courtship has already begun in several cases. You may or may not know his but Russia has itself made overtures to join at least four times since the Soviet collapse, but has been turned down flat. NATO, or rather the US military/industrial complex, needs to maintain it as a permanent enemy in order to justify its own existence and its continued expansion.
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@candidaprout560 I'm not quite sure which Candida Prout you are but it scarcely matters. The answer is that Putin has already taken Eastern Ukraine and is busy securing its borders. Ukraine has been distracted from this primary objective by the threats to Kiev and other cities.
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@peterebel7899 Have you heard of the pre-emptive strike, asterisk wimp?
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@peterebel7899 That's not such a bad suggestion in its way. But it will be a long time coming! NATO membership might have to come first.
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@jiversteve Try to encircle then. To push up against a wall and try to surround if you prefer. You get the picture I'm sure. The simple fact is that since the break-up of the Soviet Union 13 countries have joined NATO, all militarised and pushing towards Russia one way or another. Other prospects are in the pipeline. Nations certainly apply to join NATO, but are you so naive as to believe that they are not invited to do so and, more to the point, offered inducements to do so? NATO brings much business America's way and is exceptionally profitable for the international arms trade.
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@ellied.violet7372 I find myself in agreement with much of what you say, but it is the fact that Vladimir Putin does not agree which is pertinent to the matter at hand. He has, in fact, offered little objection thus far to former Soviet states and satellites embracing the delights and luxuries of Western culture. Ukraine though is a special case. The relationship is a complex one, but a very intense one - far more intense than any Russia may have with any other former Soviet territory. The economic ties are stronger too. Ukraine is a line in the sand for Putin. The compromise he has offered seems entirely reasonable. If Ukraine were to agree the war could be over in a moment.
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@rocketsurgeon2135 One must have great sympathy for the Finland and Sweden in their present predicament. If they decide to join NATO to escape being attacked by Russia, Russia may attack them to prevent them joining, as he has in Ukraine. Self-determination is one thing. Allowing yourself to become a missile base threatening Russia is another. You can't really expect Russia to simply take it on the chin every time. I do warn you against make analogies between Ukraine/Russia and other countries complex relationships with one another. It is a trap I have fallen into myself and it gets you nowhere. Every situation is different and attempts to apply general principles invariably mis-fire. Your request for a list of countries fitting categories you yourself have created is merely impertinent. It is best to stick to the matter at hand. Two incredibly corrupt countries with a long, interwoven joint history have fallen out with one another because one of them has sought to join an enemy alliance. Ukraine's so-called "sovereignty" is a moot point and of no great significance apart from in terms of international law, which is itself often of no great significance once the shooting starts. Russia has offered a reasonable and viable compromise which Ukraine has refused. This decision will result in continued bloodshed
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ger du Ah a liberal democracy with no liberality and no democracy then? Too many of those about already.
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@peterebel7899 You said it!
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@arturobianco848 Past history and past treaties are not much to the point. Force of arms has replaced legal nit-picking. As far as can be judged the majority of the population of the Donbass districts want independence. Russia will doubtless regenerate them and repair the damages of the war if this is done. For Ukraine to join NATO is clearly an act of aggression - or provocation at the very least, and cannot be tolerated. A prolonged civil war is the only outcome. Ukraine and Russia will both slowly bleed to death. The West, or at least some elements within it, might well want this but it is something both countries should surely best try to avoid.
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@arturobianco848 Not so. You are seeking to define the terms of the discussion - and I'm not having it.
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@Dash8Q400Channel Obviously you have misunderstood me, I apologise. Short/medium range conventional missiles based in Ukraine is what Putin fears. Any pre-emptive nuclear strike Putin might undertake could come from anywhere, as you rightly say.
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