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@Robert Townrow Most doctors, knowing that an elderly patient will die very soon, will recommend that they do so at home if possible.
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You have the nail on the head. Plans for dealing with pandemics were trotted out on the assumption that covid would be indiscriminate in its effects. It was a mindset across most of the world which has led to carnage. Astonishingly, the thinking behind it still persists.
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@atomiccritter6492 I have worked in the NHS and know this to be the case. If death is inevitable and pain is managed then it is preferable for people to be allowed to die in their own homes. It is less impersonal, more dignified and of course frees a bed.
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@errorswillmultiply1697 I was a theatre porter for two years and also a volunteer carer for the elderly.
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@arturobianco848 You got me, and I apologise. I was working from memory and concentrating on over 90s. Yes, France, Germany (and even Italy) have slightly higher percentages of population over 90 than the UK. I grovel and withdraw.
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@stephanguitar9778 Sorry. Not getting your context here.
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I don't see why. They only did what most governments did - and made the same mistakes.
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@Robert Townrow I have no time for this government, but the errors they made initially were commonplace across the world. A universal pandemic was planned for, indiscriminate in its effects. Instead covid turned out to be a different creature entirely - but despite this the initial responses were still trotted out quite mechanically. That mindset still persists to a great extent. Expert opinion has been so varied that it is difficult for politicians to choose which courses of action to follow.
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@arturobianco848 Many did. Including Sweden. It was a pretty universal error.
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@carlpeberdy9086 Until the discriminatory nature of the disease was fully known, isolation of the elderly was neglected in many countries - as well as US States.
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@arturobianco848 I have to disagree. Most measures taken against the disease are only of very limited use. The UK's high death toll is more than anything due to the high proportion of extremely elderly in its population.
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@ab-ym3bf It depends how you classify "old." The UK has one of the highest proportion of over 90s in the world for example. This category has accounted for around one fifth of all covid deaths in the UK and is the category with the highest number of deaths. Most covid deaths occur in people over 80. I would imagine your figures relate to the proportion of population over 65 which is not all that relevant in the present instance - and possibly not even correct either.
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@arturobianco848 The UK has one of the highest populations of people over 90 in the world. Per head of population it is probably only second to Japan. Deaths in the over 90s have accounted for about one fifth of all covid deaths in the UK. Most deaths occur in those over 80, so comparing the number of over 65s, as I presume you are doing, is not particularly relevant
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@hannahdyson7129 Sounds dreadful. Do you have a source?
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@jmolofsson Yes, the numbers in all countries are relatively small in under 65s in comparison with older age groups so there might not be an actual trend, as such. Ethnicity and general health may be factors but it would be perhaps foolish to take guesses at this point.
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@geoffreyduckworth6062 I don't think it as much life expectancy as the actual number of extremely elderly people with broken immune systems on hand to die which is important. About a fifth of the covid deaths in the UK have been among those in the 90 plus age bracket, for instance.
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@hannahdyson7129 I am genuinely shocked. I must investigate further.
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@errorswillmultiply1697 But rewarding and educational in many ways.
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@carlpeberdy9086 Well, only with the benefit of hindsight. The thinking was that they would be safer that way. Totally wrong , as we now know but in the early stages it wasn't realised that covid was so fatal to the elderly. But you are right, there is really no excuse. The politicians made the first of the big mistakes - listening to the wrong "experts".
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@scottbarrie1303 I hold no brief for Johnson or his approach. As for Sweden; after that initial and common mistake regarding care homes they seem to have got things as about as right as anyone could.
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@stephanguitar9778 I wouldn't disagree. The UK's response to the pandemic has been an utter shambles. That is not to say that the countries you mention have not been assisted by factors over and above the dynamic excellence of their political leaders. I don't understand your reference to "herd immunity." It is the only way out of this mess and - more by luck than judgement - the UK is now rapidly approaching this threshold.
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@kardy12 I meant in the broadest sense, with plans filtering down from the WHO. The government has dithered and contradicted itself throughout the whole procedure but the original concept was flawed - a universal pandemic, not one which is as selective as covid turned out to be.
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@kardy12 Which makes them selective. Covid is entirely selective in whom it kills - namely the elderly and others with compromised immune systems. It is also probably selective in whom it infects in the first place, certainly in terms of severity of response.
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