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@jennifersadler4870 Amen to that.
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But if this strategy does work (and it could) all you hysterical moaners are going to look foolish and Bojo's past errors will be forgotten. The end of the plague will be just another nail in Labour's coffin. Failure will mean Johnson goes- which is what many Conservatives want anyway.
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But surely deaths and hospital admissions are way down in relation to the number of cases? One death and seven admissions yesterday. The strategy is working.
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The only trouble with this theory is that the old and vulnerable are continually replaced. People get older, you see?
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@jennifersadler4870 What savings? You really don't get it, do you? Every time a pensioner dies, lo and behold someone else (or several someones) gets to be 65 and qualifies.
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@jennifersadler4870 I've just done a check and it appears you are right on your figures, so I apologise. There are no figures for the number of people reaching 65 over the past 16 months but this pension saving would seem to indicate that more people have died of covid than have attained this milestone - which surprises me, but there it is. On the other hand the figures are based on projected spending, which, thinking about it, would inevitably decrease with any number of deaths over and above projections. Mind you, I doubt the government will be rubbing its hands in fiendish glee since the OBR report goes on to say: " Excess deaths lower pensioner spending by £0.6 billion in 2020-21 and by £0.9 billion in 2021-22 relative to our March 2020 forecast. DWP has also identified underpayments of state pension relating to entitlements for certain married people, widows and over-80s back to 1992. Our forecast reflects an initial estimate that it will cost around £3 billion over the six years to 2025-26 to address these underpayments, with costs peaking at £0.7 billion in 2021-22." The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
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The conference was introduced by an archaeologist who started her TV career digging trenches on Time Team. I stopped watching at that point.
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@huwzebediahthomas9193 I loved her once, but she is now revealed as a communist agitator so, alas, our romance will come to nothing.
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@huwzebediahthomas9193 I know. It's sad really, but actors are often such fools.
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It works but at a heavy cost, Vaccination should mitigate that cost.
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@Yeknodathon Ok. You got me. Please explain!
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The effects of long covid appear to have been greatly exaggerated. A current study using 4,500 screened participants and access to 1.2million anonymous GP records shows that just 1.2% of patients in their twenties are suffering debilitating effects three months after infection, rising to 4.8% for the middle-aged.
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@erwinmulder1338 With approximately twice as many covid viruses in the world as there are stars in the observable universe you can be sure that all possible viable variants are out there already - several times over.
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@PORRRIDGE_GUN Current statistics, based upon 4,500 screened participants and access to 1.2million anonymous GP records show that 1.2% of patients in their twenties and 4.8% of those in middle age still suffer from debilitating symptoms sufficient to affect their everyday lives three months after first infection. Obviously longer term effects will occur in a percentage of these percentages. This is pretty much in line with severe forms of influenza and if any good comes out of this mess it ought to be that proper research is done into this long-standing problem. Vaccinations, you realise, do not confer total immunity. Currently close on 10,000 vaccinated people a day are testing positive.
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Err, is this irony? They are MPs. They were therefore elected. (Forgive me if you are a master troll and I have blown your cover.)
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It works around the other way of course. Deaths among those who have not received proper treatment for existing serious conditions due to lockdown restrictions etc, and who die "with" covid are counted as covid deaths.
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I think he's just confused.
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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I suppose my level of anger when I see people wearing masks for stupid reasons doesn't much enter into the scheme of things.
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@nathanlewis42 Masks are more or less totally useless. No-one is suggesting any longer that they protect the wearer and anyone unknowingly infected may prevent themselves from spreading it by 20% at the very most. Most infections are caused via aerosol dispersal, which masks do nothing to contain.
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@Yeknodathon Masks are more or less totally useless. No-one is suggesting any longer that they protect the wearer and anyone unknowingly infected may prevent themselves from spreading it by 20% at the very, very most. Most infections are caused via aerosol dispersal, which masks do nothing to contain. The very idea that people could be so foolish and condescending as to wear the stupid things merely to allay the fears of paranoiacs eats into my very soul. Science and emotion, see?
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@Yeknodathon But not much, as I said. In any case there has been a welter of studies produced by eager scientists who know the route to success is by skewing results and interpretation to fit the official line. It was ever thus.
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@Yeknodathon I never have. Hydroxychloroquine is, however, an effective prophylactic against the worst ravages of the disease if administered prior to the onset of serious symptoms.
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@nathanlewis42 Over 60% of covid infections are via aerosols - minute droplets which masks do nothing to contain. While the most effective ones may prevent larger droplets escaping if the wearer is in a catatonic trance, any substantial action of the lungs - such as coughing or shouting - causes droplets to disperse through the mask weave like shotgun pellets. And it may interest you to know that a survey of surgeons carried out by the Royal College of Medicine in 2015 showed that 4% of surgeons do not wear masks during operations and of those who did 20% said they did so only because they thought it was expected of them.
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@rossmurray8159 What contradiction? Masks do not contain(ie hold back) aerosols and aerosols are responsible for 60% of infections. What's your problem?
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@neodym5809 Pretty much when 60% of infections are via aeosols and 5% via surface contact leaving 35% via droplets which masks MIGHT hold back 20% of. So it's 20% of 35% and infections thus prevented would have to occur in crowded unventilated conditions anyway. So the advice on crowded buses and trains is about right - unless, like me, you believe the more healthy young people who catch covid and recover the better for us all.
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@Yeknodathon Anger is very healthy. It clears the mind and unblocks the sinuses. When I see folly disguised as reason it gives me a reason for loathing sanctimonious do-gooders as much as I naturally do.
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@rossmurray8159 Oh I DO beg your pardon! Formal etiquette for young ladies was never my strong suit.
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@Nehemiah Scudder But masks are only one factor in an extremely complex equation, and most likely a very insignificant one. Apart from factors such as climate there is mounting evidence that genetic factors enter into resistance to the disease. Responses to past covid-style epidemics seem to have created a degree of inbuilt immunity in some Asiatic groups. Considerable research is currently taking place into this topic, especially since it is now clear that SAR-Covid 2 was engineered and that it is entirely possible to engineer a viral pathogen in such a way that it affects some racial groups far more than others. As far as Singapore and other East Asian locations are concerned masks simply cannot have affected the death rate to this degree - simply because they don't actually work that much.
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@Yeknodathon Ah, but when you know you are not in error anger gives you the strength to fight your cause.
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@Yeknodathon Only if they are sanctimonious. Which they seldom are.
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@neodym5809 So called long covid is a factor, but it is one which appears to have been exaggerated. Latest studies suggest that 1.2% of covid victims in their twenties still have debilitating symptoms three months after first being infected. Sadly, long-term effects with varying degrees of seriousness in a minority of patients characteristic of all pathogens, especially respiratory ones, and one good thing which ought to come out of the mess will be much-needed research into this long-standing problem.
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@neodym5809 I see no point in injecting young people with a medication the long-term effects of which are not known when they don't die of this illness and only very small percentage appear to suffer from long-term effects to any great degree. They are doing everyone a great service by getting covid and becoming immune to it and thus setting up cordons of protection to stop it reaching the rest of us. And masks are more or less totally useless. This strategy has a great deal going for it. As long as the vaccines are potent enough to reduce symptoms in the elderly and vulnerable an R number of around 1.4 is maintained we should see a herd immunity threshold reached in a matter of a few months and at very little cost. Now put that gun away before you hurt someone.
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@Yeknodathon But I want to be a threat. And only when anger is combined with panic does it lead to a loss of control.
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@Nehemiah Scudder Australia and New Zealand are a puzzle, certainly, but I find it hard to believe that their strict lockdown and masking policies are the sole reason for their incredible escape from the ravages of covid. Don't get me wrong: it may be so, but logic and reason cry for other explanations. As to your other examples, as I think I said initially the formulae for covid consequences is very complex. Many factors come to bear and it is probably a mistake to attribute much success or failure to political decisions. Existing natural conditions have more effect, I believe. The wide open spaces and rural nature of much of Canada and Ireland probably account for their comparatively low death rates as much as anything and as for the UK it is worth taking into account that it has had an inbuilt population of extremely elderly people following a series of mild 'flu seasons. A racial element enters into it too. A considerable proportion of deaths have occurred among the UK's Bangladeshi and Pakistani population, where the death rate is five times higher than among white British. Genetic factors may be involved, but this is just as likely due to multi-generation occupation. As for seatbelts and airbags the essential difference here of curse is that they work and facemasks don't - much.
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@Yeknodathon I, or at least others with more power and authority, would do well to employ such emotions: not so much as to deal with the pandemic as such, but to deal with the cynical opportunists who seek to take advantage of it and, to lesser extent, the many fools who are persuaded by them.
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@nathanlewis42 I've had this one waved under my nose before. Nature (the magazine) has been taken over by NWO lefties like so many once respected publications. It is the easiest thing in the world to persuade a bunch of ambitious scientists to cobble together a study which purports to support the official line. Real world data has much more value than skewed and doctored lab experiments, especially in the current state into which science has fallen. Countries and US states with similar demographics show little or no difference in death and infection rates whether masks are mandated or not. Whatever tiny degree of protection they may give is entirely submerged by other factors.
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@neodym5809 But surely these vaccines are the result of a new technique? The principle is different to that employed for influenzas as covids have proved themselves incapable of responding to previous techniques - or is this not the case? All I know is that warning bells have been sounded, especially with regard to the possible effects on adolescent development and while these may be unfounded it strikes me as being a better option to allow natural immunity to evolve, especially since there are so very few cases of covid re-infection while vaccinated people in the UK are now succumbing to the virus at a rate of around 8,000 a day I believe.
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@nathanlewis42 Both out of the same stable. Prior to covid all studies cautioned against the widespread use of facemasks by the general public in pandemic situations. If those studies which suggest otherwise had come out before the widespread political decision to mandate masks had been issued I would be more convinced. But they did not. They came after. As I say, they are designed to prop up policy, not to provide objective assessment.
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@neodym5809 And yet nobody who has been infected gets re-infected, whereas nearly 10,000 people a day who have been vaccinated are testing positive in the UK alone. The natural defence system is superior because it releases fewer antibodies but at the same time "trains" T cells and other features of the immune system to remember the virus and to release massive and immediate defences should it be detected again.
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@neodym5809 I am in no position to argue, and have only an uninformed instinct to go on. It strikes me that the balance between the alternatives is a fine one, however, and a fear of hubris probably weighs too heavily with me. (You have, by the way, greatly strengthened your position in my humble view by not exaggerating the long term effects too much. This is still a very unknown quantity but at least this experience should encourage much-needed research into the problem of long term debility in a small portion of sufferers from pathogen infection.)
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@Yeknodathon They could come in handy sometimes - especially when dealing with anger, loathing and threats from enemies both without and within.
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@Nehemiah Scudder It might surprise you to learn that a survey conducted by the Royal College Of Medicine in 2015 revealed that 4% of surgeons do not wear masks while performing operations and of those who do, 20% said they only did so because they thought it was expected of them. And there's no point bringing in things like crash helmets unless you want to weaken your case. Their effectiveness is measurable. The effect(or not) of facemasks is not because so many other factors enter the equation.
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@Nehemiah Scudder Oddly enough it is Bangladeshis and Pakistanis not so much Indians who suffer this greater death rate. In any case, Indian data is bound to be somewhat unreliable and on top of this although the Bangladeshi and Pakistani death rate is proportionately higher the actual numbers are submerged in the death rate as a whole.
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@neodym5809 Couldn't get your link but I was being somewhat hyperbolic I admit. Next to nobody would have been better. You must agree the numbers are very small and last time I checked all appeared to be the result of the first infection being very mild - or even possibly a false positive which, as I am sure you are aware, account for 1 in 14 "cases" in the UK.
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@Nehemiah Scudder What is the point of all this? Mary Seacole was a restauranteur who went to the Crimea to sell posh food to the officers and may have given away a few tablecloths to use as bandages, but that's about the sum total of her nursing experience. Florence Nightingale was a very superior woman indeed who was visited for advice on statistical matters by all the great men of her day. I think she would be readily capable of analysing the effects of mask wearing on the transmission of airborne pathogens and come up with a firm "nothing proven." And what have seatbelts got to do with anything?
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@Nehemiah Scudder I think we may be at cross purposes. The Indian covid death rate figures may be unreliable not because the people are brown but because there are so many of them and it is difficult to keep track. In any case their home death rate is irrelevant because as soon as they get to the UK their deaths are included in the UK death rate. So are the deaths of people of Bangladeshi and Pakistani origin - but which are nonetheless five times higher than those of the white British.
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@Nehemiah Scudder Do you not realise that making these ridiculous analogies only weakens your case? I think you will find (even if you read some of the comments in this thread) that sensible people approach a middle ground and then agree to disagree on the interpretation of the facts. In this instance that fitted facemasks of a high specification may provide some protection in crowded badly ventilated indoor environments can be agreed. But they possess no magical properties. People may choose to wear them in other circumstances if they so wish but forcing others to do so is an infringement of civil liberties.
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@Nehemiah Scudder Like so many things in life one must assess a balance of probabilities. My research has led me to the belief that facemasks have only a minimal impact on reducing the spread of the disease and may indeed do more harm than good in many instances. A properly fitted, high spec facemask worn in a crowded, badly ventilated space may slightly reduce the chance of someone unknowingly infected passing the disease on to others. And that's all that can be said for them.
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But the death rate is ten times lower in relation to the infection rate as it was at the start of the second wave. This is what the Tories are gambling on.
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The facts are that the vaccine take-up rate among racial minorities is lower than among the population as a whole. The British are not racist but the virus appears to be, since five times more Bangladeshis die per head of population than white British and twice as many Afro-Caribbeans.
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And the only one that's going to work in the long run.
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The ratio of deaths to cases has dropped to ten per cent of what it was at the same stage of the second wave. Hospitalisation figures are similar. Long covid effects around 3% of cases, mostly to only a minor degree. Masking has been proved to be of very little benefit except in very particular circumstances. The knock-on effects of lockdowns are going to kill millions of the world's poor as well as crippling economies for decades. Apart from all that and one or two other bits and pieces he was pretty much spot on.
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Pretty much.
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If you believe anything on CNN you deserve everything you get. (In round terms current UK infections consist of 20,000 unvaccinated infected,6,000 with one jab and 2,000 with one.)
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He must be bowing to political pressure. Figures are currently running at roughly one death and seven hospitalisations to 8,000 daily cases.
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