Comments by "Dale Crocker" (@dalecrocker3213) on "" video.

The simple answer of course is that you are mistaken in believing that Brexiteers are "white supremacist Islamophobes."
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@ianl1052 But enough to affect the outcome of the referendum?. And Islamophobia and xenophobia are not synonymous.
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@carlossaraiva8213 It isn't. There are some aspects of Islam which scare people shitless. And it is a mistake to confuse patriotism with xenophobia, as so many do,
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@operationgoldfish8331 Don't be so patronising. The working class fear of competition for resources from foreigners is a genuine one and it an insult to them to describe this as racism or xenophobia. The cloud-cuckoo land of multiculturalism is one that many of them see as one which will keep them permanently downtrodden - and they could well be right. You need a university education and a high-payed job doing something virtually useless to really take that on board. There are many reason for supporting Brexit and the economic pros and cons are only part of the picture. Trying to form a European super-power out of a trading bloc is madness. It can only lead to trouble - and trouble has come. The EU's flirtation with Ukraine is a significant factor in making Putin take the decisions he has. Tinpot sabre-rattling will only provoke him further. Getting your groceries a bit cheaper and going on holiday without showing your passport is too high a price to pay for getting involved in a European war. I only hope Brexit has been enough to keep us out of it.
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@ausbrum Nothing to do with race as much as historical connectivity. You simple cannot ignore the fact that these other countries were created through British expansion and have attitudes and institutions which mirror those of the literally "parent" country.
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@jonovens7974 Among world religions Islam is one of the most troubling -apart from one in Africa which holds that eating the brains of white men makes you immortal, perhaps. There is nothing inherently wrong in believing in God or deriving one's moral outlook from illustrative stories. What is wrong is the commitment to impose one particular interpretation on the rest of humanity by force. Using extreme emotional blackmail to achieve this objective is equally heinous. Christianity has been guilty of this in the past but has thankfully given up. Islam, as yet, has not. It is a sad commentary too that if I were to mention other aspects of this religion which I find distasteful and frightening, YouTube would delete this post. Patriotism has nothing to do with religion other than that the latter can sometimes be useful in promoting the former. It is, however, no longer an essential component.
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@rufus1346 Almost certainly!
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@mariogmajner6549 I would dream of it. I thinking more about being promised 24 virgins in exchange for blowing up a nightclub.
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@mariogmajner6549 Nothing much.
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@operationgoldfish8331 Politics is a dirty business, but I think you are mistaken in attributing your average Brexiteer's fear of competition to xenophobia. The reason why so many working class people voted Brexit is because, unlike the pampered middle-class, they have to compete with one another for the bare necessities of life. and would prefer to keep the competition to a minimum. I am suspicious of words ending in "phobia" anyway. Fear is a very rational thing in the first instance, and being afraid of foreigners is entirely natural, as is being afraid of the Religion of Peace. Arachnophobia is billed as being afraid of spiders - which is silly in most instances, but not in the case of tarantulas. Discernment is what is required and that is a very rare factor in politics, I find.
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@operationgoldfish8331 1) It is not your individual perception of what EU membership means which counts. If is that of the mass of the working class. To many the mathematics are simple: if people are allowed to enter from foreign countries who will work more cheaply than they do then their wages will become static, or may even be reduced -as has happened in your personal case, apparently. Nazis do not enter into the equation. Tony Blair must be a Nazi according to your equation though, since he threw open the doors to immigration. According to your logic multiculturalism is part of Nazi plot to devitalise the working class. 2) What exactly is this "crap" you are talking about? Are you suggesting a reduction in the number of people from Commonwealth countries who are allowed to work here? That might be a good idea or it might not, but it is a question which does not involve the EU in any way. 3)A visceral fear of foreigners is one thing. A fear of what they might DO to you is another. As stated above, the working class fear if immigration is just that: a fear of immigration NOT of the actual people who are immigrating. Britons are generally very welcoming towards foreigners as individuals once they are here. (Far more so than Ukrainians as it happens.) 4) A EU army? Every step the EU has taken has been towards forming a federal state. I am assured by some Europhiles that my misgivings are unfounded, because political unification has always been the aim. And it clearly has. 5)The economic effects of withdrawal from the EU seem to have been greatly exaggerated. We expected a bumpy ride and we're getting it -but that's all. The poor are always with us but their number has not increased or its severity become more pronounced as a result of withdrawing from Europe. 6) We are not part if Europe. Europe does not exist, other than as a geographical convenience. The idea that fiendish Putin deliberately weakened the EU by creating Brexit with the aid of Farage in order to weaken the EU so he could invade Ukraine made me laugh out loud. Just think what you're saying! Putin invaded Ukraine mainly because he was justifiably concerned that it would join the other 13 countries which have joined NATO since 1990 and be militarised against Russia, but part of his concerns are that EU membership would adversely effect long-standing economic ties between the two countries. 7) Ukraine is not a "free nation". Like Russia it is a kleptocracy run by gangsters, many of whom are in the pockets of American imperialists. About a sixth of the country has been involved for eight years in a bloody civil war because the people there are Russian and want to secede. Bribery will get you whatever results you want in any election. Zelensky has closed down three TV stations which broadcast against him and imprisoned the leaders if the opposition. Sound like a free country to you? 8) Get rid of the Tories and what do you get? A few years of chaos as idealistic virtue signallers quarrel over which of them is the better person, that's what. I would dearly love to see the Tories replaced by an intelligent, committed Labour Party. But such a thing does not exist
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@dsutherlarach I will, if I may, refer you to my answer to Operation Goldfish elsewhere in this thread which I think covers most of the points you make. I am, as it happens, a reluctant supporter of Brexit since the economic advantages of membership may well outweigh the disadvantages. I simply do not know. What I do know, however, is that its political ambitions will inevitably lead to war, as has indeed proved to be the case. As you correctly point out, Johnson is joining in with all the sabre-rattling along with all the other fools, but I will not do so and I can only hope there are sufficient men and women of good sense among our politicians to do the same. So far only a small Labour contingent has come forward, but I am sure there are many Conservatives who feel the same way. We are innocent abroad, I'm afraid, when it comes to meddling in the politics of distant lands.
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@dsutherlarach As the Empire showed, the only way to deal with the political situations in foreign lands is to step boldly forward, preferably while heavily armed. The situation today is somewhat different, as I'm sure you'll agree. If you have colonisation in mind (as have both NATO and the EU) then you must step discreetly forward, armed with very large amounts of cash. If this fails you can always place snipers on rooftops to fire into protesting crowds, or get your latest puppet PM to close down TV stations and imprison leaders of the opposition. You can also help finance a civil war which drags on for years and impoverishes a large section of the country you wish to own. In Ukraine, while all these steps have been dutifully followed, the unique historical relationship between Russia and Ukraine has been ignored, and while Russia has been grudgingly willing to watch its daughter/wife/mother/sister being seduced by the CIA and the newly tumescent EU, it will not put up with seeing her shagged on its own doorstep.
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@operationgoldfish8331 Oddly enough I find myself in agreement with much of what you say. I hold no truck with the present government and, as I think I have already said, I would dearly love to see Labour resume its traditional role of keeping the worse Tory hyenas out of things as far as possible. You seem to agree that unrestricted immigration has an effect on wage levels, yet in practically the same breath you say your own reduced circumstances are due to "austerity." Surely the government can only keep public sector wages low by ensuring a supply of cheap foreign labour? I also agree with you that playing the immigration card so heavily was tactical, but given the facts as we know them, has it no relevance? In any case this does not enter into my own assessment as my concerns are and always have been geopolitical. and this rather tends to put the economic and labour-relations aspects of EU membership in the shade. As you can imagine I have many arguments with Europhiles and you do seem to be quite sharply divided on the question of federalist intent. To my mind the battle has been fought, in the public arena at least, pretty much exclusively on economic issues. There are those, like you, who seem to say that this so, and that the EU is purely a trading bloc. Others insist that political unity has been the intention from the word go. I have to say that the latter view seems to be prevailing at the moment and it certainly conforms with the organisational structure of the EU. To put it simply I do not wish my grocer to dictate how I run my private affairs, and even if this means dearer groceries, then that's how it has to be. I especially don't want to be expected to don a tin hat and pick up my gun because my grocer wants to expand into another town and is being prevented from doing so. The "we" who were expecting a bumpy ride are those of us who realised that the EU would not let us go willingly, and would place every economic obstacle inn our path. Brexit is a long-term project and if it has been sold to the public as a quick fix -well that's politics. As far as I'm concerned the Council of Europe and the European Declaration of Human Rights can go hang. If the stench of war drifts across the channel Britain has no obligation to respond. Comparing GB with Ukraine is absurd. Ukraine is a sovereign nation on paper only. At least a sixth of it wants to break away and join Russia, All elections and referenda are fixed and the current President has jailed the opposition leaders and closed down TV stations which dare speak out against him. He is a puppet of the CIA in a far more realistic sense than the Tories are puppets of Putin.
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@operationgoldfish8331 Well, we are going to have to agree to differ on some points, but I respect your knowledge of EU procedures which is far greater than mine. At the end of the day though membership of the EU certainly seems to involve more than membership of a trading bloc, certainly as far as many idealists are concerned. And it is this which worries ne, I did not vote in the referendum since getting cheaper groceries is as important to me as anyone, but I was (and still am) suspicious of what I see to be the EU's imperialistic motives, despite your reassurances. And so far I see little evidence of grinding poverty resulting from our exit, The hysterical idiocy of lock-downs has created so much damage that whatever the ill-effects of Brexit they have been largely submerged beneath it. Your views on the health service are very cogent once again, but I think there's more to it than the "Tories bad!" mantra. I have some experience of the NHS myself having worked as a theatre porter for a couple of years and seen it in action. In some ways it reflects the failings of both the free-market system and the socialist-style centrally organised system. There are too many managers and too many of them are not sophisticated enough to deal with the glib salesmen who come a-knocking. I want it to survive as a basic service for all, but it needs a thorough re-vamp. The amount of waste is terrible.
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@operationgoldfish8331 Well that certainly explains your familiarity with the techniques of EU administration! At least next time I get into a barney with Europhiles who want a European army and claim political unification was always the aim, I will be able to contradict them. I may even cut and paste you, just to impress them. I hope you don't mind. My two years with NHS was twenty or so years ago and old hands then were making similar complaints to yours. Anyhow, this has been an interesting and informative conversation and I thank you for it. Best wishes.
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