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Ah, the smell of freedom!
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Your touching faith in Magic Masks is entirely misplaced. There is no real-world evidence of their efficacy unless they are of a very high specification and used in very particular circumstances. And, as all scientific opinion agreed before the start of the pandemic, they can lead to dangerous outcomes when used improperly by the general public.
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@biopsiesbeanieboos55 Malaria has a cunning habit of changing the form in which it arrives. Incidentally the WHO points out that many, many more people are going to die from it now because of resources directed to the pandemic. Same for TB and a host of other diseases which kill children - not just mainly the elderly.
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But dead pensioners get replaced by new pensioners as people get older. Hardly much of a saving, is it?
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Only? Have you not heard of dominant seasonal respiratory infections? .
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And the death-to-infection ratio is dropping too. How dreadful!
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And a good job too. With vaccinations reducing death rates the herd immunity threshold could be reached in a matter of weeks - but the R number needs to go up a bit first.
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What orphans?
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The death rate is, however, not matching these figures.
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@MercurialMann Current research is showing that the relatively low covid death rates in many Asian countries - particularly Japan - is probably due to a genetic pre-disposition created by exposure to previous similar pathogens.
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@docostler I don't actually own one.
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Dimwits Vote Tory All have- amazingly- changed their minds following political pressure. Masks are a political tool, not a public health one. The CDC and the WHO - as well as the BMA and many other bodies - published papers at the start of the pandemic warning against their use by the general public.
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@atomiccritter6492 But it isn't. As you know full well.
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Dimwits Vote Tory She actually wipes my arse with the Guardian. What a good girl she is!
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Dimwits Vote Tory The British Medical Journal can be a good read. A meta-study they published in May 2020 arrived at the following conclusion: “The evidence is not sufficiently strong to support widespread use of facemasks as a protective measure against covid-19. However, there is enough evidence to support the use of facemasks for short periods of time by particularly vulnerable individuals when in transient higher risk situations.” The whole study is now rather hard to find for some reason, certainly the direct link usually get blocked. You can sometimes bypass the censors with this link to the CDC's assessment, published at about the same time https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
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@Yeknodathon Someone claims you are a foreign, multi-account bot. Just to say, I don't believe it myself but all the same I don't see the relevance of this quote, really. And although the study relates to influenzas, covid transmission is not all that different. It is an airborne pathogen, after all. Furthermore, some of the questions posed in the extract have now been answered, it would appear. A study published in The Lancet this April showed that 60% of covid infections come via aerosols. Which of course masks do nothing to contain.
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Dimwits Vote Tory Actually I am quite hideously rich and my team of carers are paid very high wages. I only employ the best. (PS. I never wear pyjamas.)
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@Yeknodathon What on earth are you talking about? Do you mean that the data was based on experience with influenzas at the start of the pandemic? It could hardly have been otherwise, could it since covid was new. Like influenzas covid is an airborne respiratory pathogen. The virus is even smaller than most influenza viruses. The patterns of transmission are broadly similar, and experience has now taught us that 60% of covid infections come via aerosols, which masks do nothing to contain. Neither do they contain much by the way of droplets unless the wearer is in a catatonic trance. Anyhow, I'm sorry if I embarrassed you. I really didn't mean to.
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@Yeknodathon I know that. But they are both airborne respiratory pathogens and behave in much the same way. Because the covid 19 virus is so small, however, it lends itself readily to aerosol transmission which makes mask-wearing even more pointless than is the case with larger influenza viruses. Haven't I explained this already? Where were you?
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@Vinehorse I wouldn't disagree. High-spec, close-fitting masks in enclosed, crowded, badly-ventilated spaces will have benefits. Anywhere else - not so much. In fact though, pushing masks as the be all and end all instead of concentrating on ventilation must have done great harm. One can visualise situations where people are in an enclosed space, perhaps with a stream of visitors, and all imagining themselves safe because they are dutifully wearing masks.
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@Yeknodathon I wasn't boasting, merely making it clear that I do not exploit the working class more than I absolutely have to.
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@Vinehorse I think most sensible people who have time to investigate what "facts" can reasonably be ascertained come to broadly similar conclusions. The situation now that the vaccination programme is under way is very much altered though. Herd immunity - the only long-term answer - is within reach and whatever views one held before they must be tempered by this. The risks of death or long-term effects are much reduced and a relaxation of measures should lead to HIT being reached quite quickly. Personally I think the quicker the better. There will be casualties of course but probably less than if we spin the whole thing out.
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@Vinehorse I've had one jab and that was only at the insistence of my children. My views have altered somewhat with the latest figures. It is clear that lessening of symptoms in the vaccinated is going to be of enormous help; better really than if they(we?) avoided the disease completely. I still think healthy people under 40 or so have a hard choice to make. I KNOW everyone says these vaccines are safe but I have listened to some apparently science-based theories on the possibilities of long-term effects which are rather disturbing. Two doses for everyone who wants them is clearly an option and hopefully if ONS gives details of those who do die, we will be able to work out odds. Sure, the more people who talk on social media the better. You can learn stuff, come to conclusions through dealing with intelligent people and when you come across fools you can taunt them mercilessly, which is often quite relaxing.
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We are of course waiting for death rates to follow suit- which they aren't as yet.
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You have the sympathy of the entire world. Where do we send the food parcels?
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You needn't bother with your makeup either.
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Los Angeles? Hardly a recommendation, is it?
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@charlessandoval3382 Florida: Covid deaths per 100, 000 of population -178. Slightly above the middle. Los Angeles County:224 per 100,000 Who's murdering who?
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@SwinkMcloud Do you find any indication at all that masks have any effect at all? Florida (no mask mandate): Covid deaths per 100, 000 of population:178. Los Angeles County:224 per 100,000
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@SwinkMcloud Usually? It should be inevitably shouldn't it? And if masks were that efficient the difference should be immediately and dramatically apparent. Fun fact: a recent CDC study showed that 82% of covid patients said they wore masks "at all times" and a further 14% said they did so "most of the time." Not much of a recommendation, is it?
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And when the gap between the infection rate and the death rate continues to widen -as it is now - what cause will there be for weeping then?
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Your original suggestion was better, The more vaccinated people or unvaccinated healthy young people get covid and recover the quicker the herd immunity threshold is reached.
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@lellyparker These studies are two a penny. All scientific opinion before the political decision to mandate masks was taken was firmly against their use by the general public. If the decision was taken as a result of a change in the science it might be more convincing. But it wasn't. The "science" has been bought in to support the politicians.
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@MercurialMann But not convincingly. There are many other factors at play - especially genetic resistance.
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@daviddrake5991 The fully-fitted, high-spec masks worn in hospitals may be of some use, but cloth masks and those little blue jobbies are worse than useless. Anyway, around 20%of surgeons in a 2015 survey said they only wore masks in theatre because it seemed expected of them.
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@lellyparker The CDC flows with the tide. At the start of the pandemic they published a study expressing a directly contrary view. They do what the government tells them.
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Yup. But with vaccinations it should work with very few casualties.
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You realise of course that the mist is just aerosols condensing on your glasses? And it is aerosols which contain viruses.
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