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Comments by "Dale Crocker" (@dalecrocker3213) on "Anger grows in Russia over Ukraine’s New Year’s Day strike on Russian troops" video.

He had plenty of reasons.
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There was plenty of provocation.
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@Kolljak Pretty good in my opinion. Here are some of them: 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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America.
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@inconvenientfacts8896 Here is a lost of some of the reasons: 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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@shiftymcgee9359 I don't think Ukraine will be joining NATO any time soon. And Putin holds Donbass, which is the major prize.
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@Filmstudent3663 While "Ukrainising" the large Russian population, selling off oil, coal and steel to the US, killing at least five thousand ethnic Russians and cosying up to NATO.
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@sebcw1204 Crimea is Russian.
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@rossguidice4439 No. I just know more history than you do.
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@deborahfreedman333 It doesn't. It just wants to keep its borders secure from NATO aggression.
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@cteal2018 Ukraine had built up a large army, paid for and trained by NATO, and was planning to retake Crimea and quell the Russian-backed uprisings in Donbass, as well as flirting with NATO. To Russia, that's provocation.
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@Filmstudent3663 If only it was that simple. Ukraine's large mineral resources were developed and financed by Russia, and it was mainly Russians who worked in the mines and factories, and still do. So long as Ukraine remained in Russia's sphere of influence, and channelled its product through Russia, all was well. But the Ukrainians were in the process of transferring their allegiance - and their gas, coal, oil and steel etc, to the West, mostly the US. To add insult to injury it was hoping to join NATO, Russia's biggest enemy. This made Russia very unhappy. The civil war in Donbass is well-documented in any number of independent sources. It began after the Maidan riots in 2014 when the Russian-leaning premier was deposed. The total number of deaths up until now was generally held to be some 14,000 but this includes Ukrainian and separatist fighters, not just civilians. The new premier, Poroshenko, initiated a savage campaign, shelling towns and villages at letting the fanatically anti Russian Azov Brigade loose in an orgy of murder, rape and torture. This is all documented in official reports by the UN, Amnesty International and other bodies.
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@karinjohansson7262 Crimea is Russian. Open a history book.
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@natalieturko4808 What makes you think the standard of living in Ukraine is better?
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@Thulgore The Russian Federation has escaped the USSR. Both sides have broken treaties. Difference is Budapest was flawed, Mink was engineered to fail.
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@tatumsh9 It would take several paragraphs. Do you have the necessary reading ability?
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@rossguidice4439 I'm 74.
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@ilovecoffeev You don't even know what they are.
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@jaysonpida5379 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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@maximebegin1454 He is a true patriot, that's all.
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@paoloporchetti1563 Not exactly. Putin has no desire to eliminate an entire race or to conquer the world.. He just wants to keep Russia secure from Western military and commercial aggression.
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@fromscotland2380 I think they are. Here is a list: 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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@holboroman No, rationally and very regretfully. He would have preferred a peaceful solution, but the fool Zelensky, his strings pulled by America, allowed his country to be drawn into a needless war.
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@KB-sv7fm He is eminently sane. He has ben forced to take this very painful decision by Ukraine's refusal to discuss their mutual problems.
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@Corey Leander He had plenty. Her are some: 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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@tereterevanakere2132 Putin has no imperial ambitions. He is far too sensible. He knows what happened to the last one. He just wants to secure his borders and protect his country's interests.
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@edmond8603 I can name several. 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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@David_Phoenix23 One of them, sure.
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@juhanivuorinen6981 Here are several: 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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@bobfg3130 He did. Several.
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@bobfg3130 Absolute rubbish.
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@xboxbam3979 Sure. Follow the money, as ever. I think Putin and many Russians do feel they have squatters rights over mineral resources though. Generally speaking it was Russian money which developed the coal and steel industries, and Russians who went down the mines and into the factories. But the other factors are nonetheless very real. Putin is nervous about NATO, and has every right to be. There is also a strong anti-Russian feeling among many Ukrainians, for obvious historical reasons, and many Russians in Donbass seem to have resented the fruits of their labours being passed over to American-leaning Ukrainian oligarchs. The separatist rebellions were obviously fomented by Russian agitators and supported by Russian "military advisors", but it's nothing that America doesn't do when it's got its eyes on a bit of profitable real estate.
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@inconvenientfacts8896 1)The Russian Federation has shown no signs of aggression towards any of the new NATO countries. NATO is basically a vehicle of the US military/industrial complex. The rest is sham. 2) It is real. That's why there's a word for it. Nationalist Ukrainians want to replace the Russian language and supress various manifestations of Russian culture. 3) Russia doesn't think so. Russia dug the mines and manned the factories and it doesn't want the fruits of its labours being sold off to America and Europe. 4) The Ukrainian attacks on Donbass starting in 2014 indiscriminately killed men, women and children. Azov torture squads would drag people off the streets if they heard them speaking Russian. At least 8,000 civilians have died, many of them children. 5) Plenty. It clearly showed Ukraine's intent to fight instead of settling things though 6) So a fight is what they've got.
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@tereterevanakere2132 There is not. In a television interview Putin said that it would be a great and wonderful thing for Russia to return to its days of glory. He then went on to say that of course such a thing was utterly impossible. The last bit has of course been cut in the highly edited version put out for the consumption of Western peabrains.
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@maximebegin1454 Different bloke.
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@donaphx7921 Says who?
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@rizzzzzza4643 And look where it gets you.
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@nooboftheyear7170 Around 2.5 million Russian Ukrainians have indeed fled to Russia since the war began. They fear reprisals should Ukraine win. Russia certainly conquered Ukraine back in the 18th century. But they were mostly fighting Poland and Sweden, who each wanted to conquer it also. In any case, no-one was interested in the steppe east of the Dneiper which was occupied by tribes of wandering Tatars. It was these who were moved out by the Russians later when vast mineral resources were discovered beneath the steppe. Why should the descendants of these people be forced to suffer? Why should the crooks in Kiev reap the rewards of the labours of generations of Russians? I'm not sure when this debate in England took place. I am English and all that has happened is that the media has been pumping out one-sided propaganda and hero-worshipping that little shit Zelensky.
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@nooboftheyear7170 What's your excuse then?
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@timdowney6721 Historical facts are not lies.
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@UserUser-ww2nj Zelensky and his gang of crooks want to steal coal, iron and oil drawn from the ground by generations of Russian blood and sweat.
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@joeb578 NATO creating a Ukrainian army.
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@dylanshaffer2184 Valid in Russia's eyes anyway. Which is what counts. 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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@UserUser-ww2nj Valid in Russia's eyes. Which is what counts: 1) The threat of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia's greatest enemy. 2) Continued "Ukrainisation" of the 8+million ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 3) Selling the vast mineral resources of Donbass, developed and worked almost exclusively by Russians, to American and European companies. 4) Shelling, torturing and murdering Russian separatists in Donbass. 5) Allowing NATO to pay for and train a large Ukrainian army designed to crush the separatist rebellion in Donbass, and to retake Crimea , which has a majority Russian population and was Russian until transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 for administrative and logistical reasons. 6) Ukraine's refusal to discuss any of the several treaty proposals put forward by Moscow, designed to overcome these problems peacefully.
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@nooboftheyear7170 There is absolutely no comparison between the two situations. Russian is in fact the dominant language in Ukraine, spoken by the majority of the population in a great many situations. I simply cannot see the point you are trying to make. Ukrainians are not forcing immigrants to speak their language. They are forcing the descendants of the minority group which has ruled there for centuries to do so, as well as the Ukrainians who speak Russian as a matter of course. It is as if the Welsh were to gain independence and attempt to outlaw English (which I am, born and bred.)
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@tereterevanakere2132 I'm English. And I've seen the entire video from which the edited extract was made. The self-comparison with Peter the Great also seems very unlikely. I expect it's just another crude Western propaganda myth. Putin knows from experience how empires invariably collapse, and often very quickly. I just hope I live long enough to see the same fate befall the USA.
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@tereterevanakere2132 But not towards recreating the Russian empire with Putin comparing himself to Peter the Great. He is not a man generally given to analogy, and all this nonsense is clearly just part of a Western propaganda smokescreen, designed to obscure the real and cogent reasons for the invasion.
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@timeames2509 It's more a question of keeping what he thinks belongs to him already. His reasons or excuses are nonetheless worthy of consideration. The most important fact, in my view, is that it was clear that he meant business, and Zelensky was a fool to conspire with the West to drag his country into a ruinous war. The peace proposals put forward by Putin on December last year were an entirely reasonable basis for negotiation.
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@rizzzzzza4643 There is an equal chance of America's collapse also. Exciting times.
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@tereterevanakere2132 Whatever talk there has been has been romantic fantasy. NATO needs Russia to be a threat in order to justify its own existence, and every inebriated toast to "the good old days" or tearful reminiscence, is advertised as evidence of some evil ambition. It's bollocks. It's the Bogeyman. Keep paying your dues or those pesky Commie Russkies will come getcha. Grrrrrr!!! It's propaganda, without a shred of evidence to back it up. America wouldn't have been able to stage this war without it.
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@tereterevanakere2132 No, you are, because these are not imperialistic ventures. They are purely concerned with Russia maintaining existing interests and border security. Putin's strategy when faced with threats from outside is to subdue them and set up buffer states. He knows full well that attempting to govern directly can no longer work. He did this in Chechnya when faced with a threat from Islamic nationalist extremists. He did it in Georgia when faced with a threat from NATO and that's what he's doing in Ukraine with Donbass. Crimea is a unique case because it is predominantly Russian and has only had a very brief relationship with Ukraine. In 2014 Putin simply took the opportunity of getting it back.
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@tereterevanakere2132 I can certainly see the point of view of the former Soviet bloc countries, but in joining NATO they have allied themselves with a foreign power hostile to Russia. I cannot believe any of them would have done this without being sold on the idea by America, but that is neither here nor there. What is important is that Russia sees their decisions as a threat, and in the cases of both Georgia and Ukraine that threat was a threat too far. Both countries have suffered as a result of poor decisions, and Ukraine continues to do so.
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