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Comments by "Dale Crocker" (@dalecrocker3213) on "Ukraine vows to avenge soldier shown in apparent execution video" video.
The sad truth is that Ukrainians do this too.
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@Jurgir09 There are several videos on the Internet. And why wouldn't they? They are the same people with a shared history.
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@Corey Leander Unusually for Ukrainians you mean? Actually as a general rule both sides treat prisoners well - but in the heat of battle and its aftermath individual incidents such as this one are inevitable.
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@Corey Leander It happens on both sides. Of course it does. Why would it not? They are the same people enduring the same pressures and hardships.
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@randomMich It should be. One mustn't forget that this began as a civil war in the early stages of which Ukrainian forces committed terrible atrocities against civilians and partisans alike. These things just escalate. It's human nature.
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@Corey Leander And it's on both sides. Personally I've seen more videos of Ukrainian brutality than the reverse, but that doesn't mean anything. It is absurd to believe that one nationality with the same ethnic background, the same historical background and the same very poor record on human rights should suddenly become a nation of saints.
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@Corey Leander You are wrong. The Military and police in both Crimea and Donbass rebelled against the Kiev government after Maidan. In Crimea they went over to the Russians without scarcely a shot being fired, and in Donbass they formed units to fight off the Azov Battalion and the Ukrainian army. The Russians, naturally enough, encouraged these rebellions and as the Minsk accords forbad direct intervention, the Wagner Group was formed to co-ordinate the rebel units into effective armies. The Ukrainian government's savage response is well documented in a number of reports, including ones from the UN and Amnesty International. Torture and summary execution were commonplace, as well as shelling of civilians.
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@Corey Leander It's not a competition is it? Ukrainians and Russians are mainly Slavs. The ruling families of both countries were closely related for centuries. The histories of both countries are closely intertwined. The Vikings who came up the Dnieper to found Kiev later went further upstream to found Moscow. Ukraine became a Russian province in the early 18th century, and a semi-autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic under Moscow in the early 20th. Both Ukraine and Russia have appalling records on human rights, both during and after the Soviet era. During the Nazi occupation the citizens of Kiev and Mariupol lined the streets and jeered as Ukrainian police and army led their Jewish neighbours off to be machine-gunned to death by the tens of thousand. When it comes to decent behaviour Ukrainians and Russians have little to distinguish between them I'm afraid. They are as good and as bad as each other.
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@Corey Leander As the Azov Battalion was formed to put down the rebellions in Donbass why did it contain so many fervent ant-Russians and why did it delight in Nazi regalia? Why didn't the police and military put down the rebellions instead of joining them? There were Russian agitators on the scene, certainly, but they didn't have to twist many arms, did they? Wages and GDP in Ukraine in general and in Donbass in particular imploded after the Soviet collapse and in 2014 there was a strong feeling that Donbass was going to be milked dry in order to fund Kiev's nationalism - which also seemed dedicated to destroying Russian language and culture. The foul behaviour of Azov and others in 2014 onwards is clearly documented. The shelling was indiscriminate and has continued until the present day. Your final question is puzzling. I suppose no-one was dying before 2014 was because the civil war didn't start until then. (PS. It was Angela Merkel who admitted that Minsk was a ploy, not the Russians. It was designed to give NATO the time to create a multi-$billion army with which to invade Donbass and Crimea - an army which Russia is now in the process of destroying.)
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