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  200. Thank you for an excellent presentation. I was moderately obsessed with the Shroud some years ago and I thought I might share one or two theories from the books I read at the time, and which may be of interest. One non-divine explanation of the image is bilirubin staining. This is the yellow stuff produced by the liver in jaundice cases. It can also be produced in cases of severe trauma and the idea is that the image is basically a sweat stain, made semi-permanent by the presence bilirubin in the sweat. There are photographs of the images of hands impressed on bedsheets by patients with severe liver conditions. And there is no doubt , of course, that crucifixion is an extremely traumatic business. You don't just hang there. The intense pain of the nail driven through the foot causes the victim to pull himself up by the arms - which of course causes intense pain from the nails in the hands. Some accounts suggest that in the initial stages at least this causes a quite rapid up and down jerking motion which can go on for some time. It may also be accompanied by erection and ejaculation, as occurs sometimes in hangings. The lungs flood with fluid, as happens during many traumas as well as in heart surgery when patients need to have the chest cavity constantly drained. The Roman soldier's spear thrust was to drain this fluid to prevent Christ from drowning in it, and thus dying too soon. Equally well, breaking the legs prevents any motion and thus the victim does actually drown. Christ's legs of course were not broken and the comparatively short time in which he was hung on the cross leads to the theory that he was taken down while still alive and revived by Joseph of Arimathea.... but that of course is a totally different story!
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  3735.  @roshnisingh3418  Take your pick. Where the US has invaded in the past 100 years 1914-1918 - a series of invasions of Mexico. 1914-1934 - Haiti. After numerous uprisings, America brings in its troops, the occupation continues for 19 years. 1916-1924 - 8-year occupation of the Dominican Republic. 1917-1933 - military occupation of Cuba, economic protectorate. 1917-1918 - participation in the 1st World War. 1918-1922 - intervention in Russia. In total, 14 states participated in it. Active support was provided to the territories that separated from Russia - Kolchakia and the Far Eastern Republic. 1918-1920 - Panama. After the elections, troops are brought in to quell the riots. 1919 - COSTA RICA. ... The landing of US troops to "protect American interests." 1919 - American troops fight on the side of Italy against the Serbs in Dolmatia. 1919 - American troops enter Honduras during elections. 1920 - Guatemala. 2-week intervention. 1921 - American support for militants fighting to overthrow Guatemalan President Carlos Herrera for the benefit of the United Fruit Company. 1922 - intervention in Turkey. 1922-1927 - American troops in China during the popular uprising. 1924-1925 - Honduras. Troops invade the country during elections. 1925 - Panama. US troops break up a general strike. 1926 - Nicaragua. Invasion. 1927-1934 - American troops stationed throughout China. 1932 - invasion of El Salvador from the sea. There was an uprising at that time. 1937 - Nicaragua. With the help of American troops, the dictator Somoza comes to power, having removed the legitimate government of H. Sakasa. 1939 - the introduction of troops into China. 1947-1949 - Greece. American troops are involved in the civil war, supporting the Nazis. 1948-1953 - military operations in the Philippines. 1950 - Uprising in Puerto Rico is suppressed by American troops. 1950-1953 - armed intervention in Korea about a million American soldiers. 1958 - Lebanon. The occupation of the country, the fight against the rebels. 1958 - confrontation with Panama. 1959 - America sends troops to Laos, the first clashes of American troops in Vietnam begin. 1959 - Haiti. The suppression of a popular uprising against the pro-American government. 1960 - after José Maria Velasco was elected president of Ecuador and refused to comply with US demands to break off relations with Cuba, the Americans carried out several military operations and organized a coup. 1960 - US troops enter Guatemala to prevent the removal of a US puppet from power. 1965-1973 - military aggression against Vietnam. 1966 - Guatemala. ... US troops entered the country, massacres of Indians were arranged, who were considered potential rebels. 1966 - military assistance to the pro-American governments of Indonesia and the Philippines. ... (60,000 people were arrested for political reasons, 88 torture specialists officially worked under the government). 1971-1973 - bombing of Laos. 1972 - Nicaragua. American troops are brought in to support the government, beneficial to Washington. 1983 - military intervention in Grenada, about 2 thousand marines. 1986 - attack on Libya. Bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi. 1988 - US invasion of Honduras 1988 - The USS Vincennes, which was in the Persian Gulf, shot down an Iranian plane with 290 passengers on board, including 57 children. 1989 - US troops quell riots in the Virgin Islands. 1991 - large-scale military action against Iraq 1992-1994 - occupation of Somalia. Armed violence against civilians, killings of civilians. 1998 - Sudan. The Americans destroy a pharmaceutical plant with missiles, claiming that it produces nerve gas. 1999 - ignoring the norms of international law, bypassing the UN and the Security Council, the United States launched a 78-day air bombardment campaign by NATO forces against the sovereign state of Yugoslavia. 2001 - invasion of Afghanistan. 2003 - bombing of Iraq. 2011 - Libya. 2014 Syria US and allied invasion of Syria 2015 Yemen US missile strikes on Yemeni Houthi rebel positions and active support for the intervention of Saudi Arabia and its allies in Yemen 2015 Cameroon US military operation in Cameroon 2015 Libya Second intervention in Libya
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  4948. The climate crisis is a scam. By restricting the amount of carbon industry is allowed to produce, permissions to produce it are of great and varying value. Hedge fund managers are now making vast fortunes by trading in these permissions.The so-called science behind the scam is attractive enough in its way, but exists only in the laboratory and in computer models, Data obtained through measurement is routinely manipulated to fit the theory. There is no empirical evidence that man-made carbon emissions affect the climate in any way. There is, however, considerable empirical evidence that the climate in the quite recent past was warmer than it is today.The Medieval Warm Period is a fact of history and now those scientists who are in on the scam, and are profiting from it, have failed to airbrush it from the records they are attempting to claim that it was small and localised. This report in Nature is, broadly speaking,, a part of this strategy. Evidence of the MWP, or indeed of the earlier Roman Warming Period, is obviously far greater in Europe because this is where we get our history from. New evidence from China and Japan giving details of the crops grown at the time are, however, showing very clearly that it was warm there too. Tree ring evidence from the USA and Canada also supports the case. Obviously evidence that it was warmer for at least two quite lengthy periods of time during the past two thousand years than it is today entirely scuppers the climate crisis theory and the vast profits to be made from demonising carbon and restricting its output through legislation. Although some scientists are in on the scam, very many others are duped into supporting it by the intellectually stimulating nature of the research and further coerced by the fact that unless they follow the party line they will very soon be out of a job. Ignorant journalists and hysterical commentators add greatly to the scam and its grip upon the fearful public. For measured accounts and citations of the facts outlined above I suggest viewers go to the work of Tony Heller and 1000frolly Phd. The skeletons of Vikings who farmed Greenland in places that are now barren snow-covered rock have been found pierced and twisted by the roots of the trees that were planted on their graves. The solar system, bound together by forces of gravity and magnetism beyond our comprehension is speeding and spiraling through space at many millions of miles per hour, passing through clouds of elemental particles the function and purpose of which we are equally ignorant. Do you not think it more likely that the earth's changing climate over the millennia is due to the effects of this awesome and ancient dance than it is to the piffling farts and burps of we tiny, concieted and frequently misguided humans?
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  5011. Talk about fake news! Man-made climate change is a con-trick cleverly thought up by Marxist globalists, promoted by duplicitous scientists and journalists and sadly taken as gospel by millions. Your hot air balloons were a clever image. Here's another one. Imagine a large room; a classroom perhaps, and imagine it contains the earth's atmosphere. The amount of carbon in that atmosphere would scarcely fill a standard-size box of Rice Krispies and Britain's industrial contribution would amount to one Rice Krispie. Do the maths yourselves. Climate cultists claim that the carbon content of the atmosphere now runs at 400 parts per million if that helps. The fact that they take readings around active volcanoes is neither here nor there, I suppose. Oddly enough we weren't there to take readings millions of years ago so we rely on 'proxy' data.- by testing the contents of ice cores. These show carbon contents ranging from 150ppm to 300ppm. This would appear to show that, yes, the carbon content of the atmosphere has shot up dramatically of late and that, coincidentally, this has occurred at the same time as the industrial revolution. It's just another coincidence that we've only had the equipment to measure these levels since the industrial revolution. Should the ice-core measurements turn out be inaccurate then the whole shooting match goes up in smoke. Testing prehistoric carbon levels by other means, such as the remains of long-buried leaves, show them to be much closer to modern levels.. If I had the money I'd buy a house jn Fairbourn when prices drop. Al Gore, the first Apostle of this new religion has just bought himself a coastal home in Florida, incidentally, at a location which according to his earnest predictions should be under tens of metres of water by now.
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  5550. Lies, all lies. The last 16 years are NOT the hottest ever recorded, and even if they were, so what? Reliable records only began in the late 19th century. What is a fact is that average temperature has not increased one jot over those 16 years. Commandeering pseudo-science for political gain is morally reprehensible. A few fun facts for you: *Although no-one, as far we know, was keeping records in Roman times they were certainly growing grapes for wine up against Hadrian's Wall in Northern England in locations where these days you'd be hard-pressed to grow potatoes. And what about all those bare knees?! Similarily, during The Medieaval warm period hundreds and hundreds of castles were built in Northern Europe which became virtually uninhabitable after the Mediterranean-style climate was suddenly replaced by the Little Ice Age, which began in the mid 14th century and lasted until the mid 19th, at which time Christmas Fairs were being held on the frozen River Thames in London. (They featured large bonfires to keep people warm) Unless witchcraft was involved there is no possible human involvement which could have affected these weather conditions. * There is no scientific proof that increased carbon emissions lead to increases in temperature. They go hand in hand sure, but detailed study shows that temperature rise comes FIRST. *Q. If the earth's atmosphere was contained in an average-sized high school classroom what size of box would you need to contain all the carbon atoms? A: A Rice Crispies box. *Q: If the US was to decide to destroy itself by reducing carbon emissions to close to zero, how many rice crispies would be removed as a result? A: One, or possibly one and a bit. *Q: If all the exhaust emissions of all the vehicles on all the roads in the world over a 24-hour period were reduced in atmospheric scale to fit the classroom, how many matches would you have to strike to equate the amount of carbon thus released into the atmosphere? A: One. *Q: How do we know that there was less carbon in the atmosphere all those thousands and thousand of years ago? A: We don't, obviously. The figures are based on guesswork relying on the examination of icecores. If the science is flawed and the estimates are wrong then the whole man-made global-warming hypothesis goes up in smoke. Q. Do we calculate present-day atmospheric carbon levels using this method? A: No. We can't. It takes several hundred years before the ice is compacted enough. Instead we take carbon levels in the atmosphere, usually at sea-level and often near to volcanoes where the carbon levels higher. I wonder why? Q: How long does a carbon molecule remain in the atmosphere after being emitted from earth? A: About five years. Jolly hockey sticks!
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  5662.  @fredfredrickson5436  The deliberate starvation and working to death of millions cannot be compared to the occasional errors of capitalism. Marxism and its centrally planned economy could only be sustained through slavery, corruption and terror. American prisoners are in prison because they have committed crimes, not because they have been arbitrarily selected or denounced. They live in conditions which would make citizens of the mid 20th century Soviet Union salivate with envy. Marxism corrupts Socialism, which is why until comparatively recently the British Labour Party forbad all relations with it. The fact that it now welcomes its various unwholesome manifestations into its midst is the reason for its constant rejection by the electorate. I disagree with Marx's critique because it is wrong, It fails on many levels, but predominately it fails because it does not take into account the fact that there are a great many utter bastards in the world, and the bastards will win whatever system is operational. Capitalism recognises this fact but imposes restraints on the worst excesses of the entrepreneurial psychopath through a system of financial regulation. Marxism refuses to admit differences in personality and insists we are all the same and equal and that our behaviour is governed by purely economic forces. They soon find out they are wrong when the psychopaths rise up through the ranks of the various committees and local soviets necessary to run their clumsy system and impose a regime of terror. It always happens this way and always will. Only societies which evolve through time survive and prosper. Those which attempt to impose a system thought up by some bloke with a beard and a pencil are doomed to fail. The only question is how long will it take and how many people will die in agony in the process.
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  5663.  @fredfredrickson5436  Show me your pile of bodies. We can compare its height with those left by Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Capitalist imperialism is exactly the strategy being followed by China right now. It has retained the repressive structure Communism needs to make a centralised state work and is busy colonising the world. It has its concentration camps too. There is no "late stage capitalism." There is just capitalism. Economic success certainly leads to imperialist expansion and it always has done. Once spears and chariots, guns and gunboats were needed. Now they are not, We have grown more sophisticated in our methods. This has led to the unlikely marriage we see today between Marxism and capitalism so typified by the Chinese phenomenon. Communism needs strict state control over individual behaviours in order to even begin to try to succeed. In China it has not succeeded but the control of the population has remained and is now being applied very successfully to the expansion of state capitalism. China's economic success is dependent upon the slavery of the proletariat. China's model is now actively being pursued by Western capitalism in the form of globalism, which requires centralised control and the subordination of the individual to a bureaucratic elite. Marx was quite correct in seeing labour as a form of capital, but he did not envisage how the administrators of his creed would be forced by economic realities to spend that capital. Marx was always wrong. Now he is both wrong and irredeemably old-fashioned. Your attachment to him is romantic and naive. This discussion began with George Soros. As I said, his gigantic intellect is beyond the comprehension of lesser mortals but it provides a rich territory for speculation. It seems to me that what he is doing is very similar to what China is doing, Based upon the principles of reflexivity he influences outcomes by acting in several roles, one of which is the infiltration of political structures and ideological movements and using them to pave the way for the expansion of his strategies. China builds roads. Soros builds BLM and puts puppets in charge of US and Canadian cities. China and Soros are both utilising Marxism, but neither is Marxist.
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  5777.  @beigefox6579  Naughty Mr Manafort's tax evasion had nothing to do with Trump, and the other items you mention don't even amount to a can of beans to go with your nothingburger. The Dems got their lackeys in the FBI to go around making a big fuss and scaring people but at the end of the day it was all just bluster. No big trial. Nothing. Just smoke and mirrors and a conjouring trick that flopped. You are an idiot. You start by saying "please lets not change the conversation to Russian collusion" and then you go on with a great long screed all about Russian collusion! What's the matter with you? All these "crimes" are of no consequence, even if true. America, as Trump says, has missed a big, big opportunity of setting up all kinds of mutually useful deals with the Russian Federation thanks to this infantile nonsense. The Proud Boys are not "confirmed white nationalists" that's just what you've been told, you silly boy. They are proud nationalists but many of them are black, brown and Asian (whatever colour they're supposed to be.) You've been sold a pup. You've been conned. You live in a bubble of yes illusion designed to keep you on the Democrat plantation instead of thinking for yourself. I'm not going to look up page 2 of Muller's report. I really don't care what the old fool says. I only care what he COULDN'T say-that there is any evidence at all of any improper relationship between Team Trump and anyone in the Russian government. And I've hardly ever watched Hannity and Kyle Rittenhouse has helped enormously to turn the tide against lies and depravity of the left. Anyone who has watched the trial and compared it with the versions put out by CNN and MSNBC etc now KNOWS what filthy liars they are. And as an added bonus it seems Antifa and BLM are now less keen to go around burning businesses and terrifying innocent folk now, doesn't it? Their principles aren't up to the idea of all the copycat Kyles waiting out there with their AR15s. Cowards as well as bullies, liars and fools.
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  5831.  @T5Zplayer  America's record: 1914-1918 - a series of invasions of Mexico. 1914-1934 - Haiti. After numerous uprisings, America brings in its troops, the occupation continues for 19 years. 1916-1924 - 8-year occupation of the Dominican Republic. 1917-1933 - military occupation of Cuba, economic protectorate. 1917-1918 - participation in the 1st World War. 1918-1922 - intervention in Russia. In total, 14 states participated in it. Active support was provided to the territories that separated from Russia - Kolchakia and the Far Eastern Republic. 1918-1920 - Panama. After the elections, troops are brought in to quell the riots. 1919 - COSTA RICA. ... The landing of US troops to "protect American interests." 1919 - American troops fight on the side of Italy against the Serbs in Dalmatia. 1919 - American troops enter Honduras during elections. 1920 - Guatemala. 2-week intervention. 1921 - American support for militants fighting to overthrow Guatemalan President Carlos Herrera for the benefit of the United Fruit Company. 1922 - intervention in Turkey. 1922-1927 - American troops in China during the popular uprising. 1924-1925 - Honduras. Troops invade the country during elections. 1925 - Panama. US troops break up a general strike. 1926 - Nicaragua. Invasion. 1927-1934 - American troops stationed throughout China. 1932 - invasion of El Salvador from the sea. There was an uprising at that time. 1937 - Nicaragua. With the help of American troops, the dictator Somoza comes to power, having removed the legitimate government of H. Sakasa. 1939 - the introduction of troops into China. 1947-1949 - Greece. American troops are involved in the civil war, supporting the Nazis. 1948-1953 - military operations in the Philippines. 1950 - Uprising in Puerto Rico is suppressed by American troops. 1950-1953 - armed intervention in Korea about a million American soldiers. 1958 - Lebanon. The occupation of the country, the fight against the rebels. 1958 - confrontation with Panama. 1959 - America sends troops to Laos, the first clashes of American troops in Vietnam begin. 1959 - Haiti. The suppression of a popular uprising against the pro-American government. 1960 - after José Maria Velasco was elected president of Ecuador and refused to comply with US demands to break off relations with Cuba, the Americans carried out several military operations and organized a coup. 1960 - US troops enter Guatemala to prevent the removal of a US puppet from power. 1965-1973 - military aggression against Vietnam. 1966 - Guatemala. ... US troops entered the country, massacres of Indians were arranged, who were considered potential rebels. 1966 - military assistance to the pro-American governments of Indonesia and the Philippines. ... (60,000 people were arrested for political reasons, 88 torture specialists officially worked under the government). 1971-1973 - bombing of Laos. 1972 - Nicaragua. American troops are brought in to support the government, beneficial to Washington. 1983 - military intervention in Grenada, about 2 thousand marines. 1986 - attack on Libya. Bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi. 1988 - US invasion of Honduras 1988 - The USS Vincennes, which was in the Persian Gulf, shot down an Iranian plane with 290 passengers on board, including 57 children. 1989 - US troops quell riots in the Virgin Islands. 1991 - large-scale military action against Iraq 1992-1994 - occupation of Somalia. Armed violence against civilians, killings of civilians. 1998 - Sudan. The Americans destroy a pharmaceutical plant with missiles, claiming that it produces nerve gas. 1999 - ignoring the norms of international law, bypassing the UN and the Security Council, the United States launched a 78-day air bombardment campaign by NATO forces against the sovereign state of Yugoslavia. 2001 - invasion of Afghanistan. 2003 - bombing of Iraq. 2011 - Libya. 2014 Syria US and allied invasion of Syria 2015 Yemen US missile strikes on Yemeni Houthi rebel positions and active support for the intervention of Saudi Arabia and its allies in Yemen 2015 Cameroon US military operation in Cameroon 2015 Libya Second intervention in Libya .......and so on and so on and so on. Might mention estimated $25billion on arming Ukraine to fight Russia.
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  6733. Ronald Davison You are obviously up to speed. Have you yet heard about the research carried out by father and son team Michael and Ronan Connolly? They have used billions of items of data from weather balloons to discover a picture of the atmosphere very different to that propounded by climate alarmists. The research strongly suggests that it is actually composed of ideal gasses and is thermodynamically stable, as was proposed by Einstein in 1916 or thereabouts. The system adjusts to increased carbon input quite readily. The molecules retain heat for about one third of a second before re-emitting it in various directions. Like you I am a layman and have no way of understanding the technical details but the scientific papers are available on https:/oprj.net/ . What their findings boil down to basically is that there is absolutely no such thing in the real world as the greenhouse effect. If you have anyone on side with a good science degree it would be helpful for them to run over these papers and help translate them into lay terms. The Connollys, based in Dublin, Ireland, run a private institution outside the grant-dependent, publish-or-die academic ghetto and have had these papers on display as drafts on the site for a number of years.I gather that in association with Willie Soon they will shortly be publishing the full findings incorporating suggestions and criticisms acquired through this procedure. Should be interesting. Do forgive me if I'm telling you things you know already, but I was a bit shocked to learn that the "model" of the atmosphere that so-called climate science is based on, and upon which subsequent models continue to be based, was actually proposed by a Serbian scientist as long ago as 1942. The Connolly research apparently shows this model is wrong in several important respects and that matters have not been improved by enthusiastic technophiles trying shove it into the crap computers of the seventies and early eighties.
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  6856.  @RussCR5187  A couple of things: There is considerable literature disputing the efficacy of any safety measures in preventing the spread of Covid 19 which is, as I said, is following the established pattern for viral infections as I described. I can provide you with such information if you wish. Mathematical models indicate that if the R number reaches and stays at 1.4 a 30% infection level will be arrived at quite rapidly in the UK at which point herd immunity will be achieved. Once again I can provide you with the necessary technical information. You are woefully behind with information about hydroxychloroquine. The article you cite was of course published in May at a time when the drug was under attack by pharmaceutical companies as it provides an incredibly cheap alternative to their profitable products. President Trump's endorsement also led to fierce political opposition. Tests were carried out using absurdly huge doses given to patients in the last stages of the disease which led to the widely publicised disinformation you are still sadly not yet disabused of. The tests were shown to be fake and articles about them were withdrawn. The Lancet was especially hard hit and its reputation may never recover from the scandal. Proper studies have clearly shown that small doses administered in the early stages of the disease can reduce death rates by at least one third. In this instance I will provide you with some information which may help you catch up with the present position. Dr Campbell does daily updates on the pandemic. He believed the vilification campaign too but here fully admits that hydroxychloroquine is effective, based on his detailed analysis of a recent study involving some 8,000 patients in Belgium. There are links to that and other studies in the description below the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBn4e69tGlg This is a rather excitable news video from Australia but it sums up the story neatly and accurately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXmwt_8tdNY This is list of the100 or so recently published studies, most peer-reviewed, which indicate the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine when properly administered. https://c19study.com/
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  7572.  @alexboston343  It is you who is naive I'm afraid. Donald Trump came in from the outside to try to put a stop to the ingrained corruption of American politics - and just because, being a narcissist, he rather fancied being President. The establishment, after choking on him for four years, have finally spat him out. But they had to cheat to do it. Now - or so they think - it's business as usual They've sussed that the Chinese are the new kids on the block and that the World Economic Forum is pulling the strings and that, in fact, socialism is a fine way of keeping people in order. They've had to spout a load of stuff about climate change and black lives mattering and suchlike to the useful idiots like you to keep you on side, but that's the sort of thing they always do. The court cases you keep religiously referring to are totally irrelevant. No-one was interested. They are a distraction. The meat is in the evidence presented at the state senate hearings. There will be no "domestic terrorism" on inauguration day. Word is out on conservative sites that the calls for action are a trap and that the bombs were sent by Antifa or BLM. Any incidents which do occur will either be the work of a demented fringe or more likely of Antifa agents provocateur , as many believe was the case at the Capitol break-in. I append for your attention a few hours of fairy tales from the seventy or so hours of fairy tales told by paid actors disguised as little old ladies and military cyber fraud experts in order to convince fascist hillbillies to descend from their hideouts in the hills to destroy democracy - or what's left of it, which isn't much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRCXUNOwOjw Georgia State hearings 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkqFTUEvMoU&t=21161s Wisconsin
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  7820.  @Andrew-ob5ij  I'm not saying Putin is the nicest guy in the world and he certainly supports any group which might be of use to him, but he is not a Nazi in the same way that some people and parties in Ukraine are. But that's not the point. Your contention is that he wants to create some sort of fascist empire. I think he's got enough on his plate and simply doesn't want to used and abused by the West -predominantly America. On that we will clearly have to differ. As to the Bolsheviks, as you are clearly aware they created the Russian Revolution and the slightly later revolution in Ukraine, all starting about 1917. I suppose you are referring to the Ukrainians' attempts to separate the two revolutions? That's a fair enough point actually. So too is your reference to the Wagner Group. There are plenty of these tough-guy private armies in the world -but I would contend that Azov is in a bit of a class of its own. In any case my point is not that Putin is the good guy and the Ukrainians are the baddies. They're pretty much all as bad as one other -which is why we shouldn't feel obliged and take sides and get dragged into this quarrel. I don't quite understand your point about no troops in Eastern NATO countries before 2014. Are you suggesting that Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia didn't have armies before then or simply that more troops were moved in from other countries after the Crimea annexation? What is your reference to the Budapest Treaty? I would have though the apparent discovery of US chemical warfare labs in Ukraine once again puts that country in the frame as much as Russia has ever been. Are you talking about the removal of nuclear weapons from Ukraine? Can you please explain? It's not the MInsk Agreements you are thinking of is it?
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  7886.  @diarmuidkelleher5319  You are moderately graceful in defeat, but you do seem remarkably incapable of following any logical sequence of thought. They faked a story to get a story. The faked story wasn't the story. Here are some stories for you: 1000 people voted twice in georgia https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-official-claims-1-000-people-illegally-voted-twice-in-primaries/ar-BB18PGvz?li=BB141NW3 Mail truck catches fire destroying thousands of ballots https://amp.dailyrecord.com/amp/3257291001 200,000 ballots sent to wrong addresses in nevada https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michael-berry/content/2020-08-10-more-than-200000-ballots-in-nevada-mailed-to-the-wrong-addresses/ Entire NJ election called a do over due to ballot fraud https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/paterson-press/2020/08/11/paterson-nj-election-rivals-agree-do-over-council-election/3343160001/ New jersey man votes 3 times https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/new-hampshire-man-arrested-vote-fraud-charge Republican + 4 others charged in ballot fraud https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/kansas-republican-charged-with-three-felonies-in-voter-fraud-investigation/2020/07/14/7d0fe8c2-c629-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html 200,000 purged from rolls in New york https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/campaigns-elections/new-york-city-purged-voters-2016-it-wasnt-mistake.html Deceased cat receives ballot https://apnews.com/fbcec393dc652a9ccdb2cc8aacb15895 NY election disaster, over a month to count ballots , ballots lost n desytoyed https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yorks-mail-vote-disaster-11595286912 Man charged for voting in 3 elections using his dead mother https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-18/la-county-man-accused-of-voting-in-three-elections-as-his-dead-mother 10s of thousands of ballots thrown out https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tens-of-thousands-of-mail-ballots-have-been-tossed-out-in-this-years-primaries-what-will-happen-in-november/2020/07/16/fa5d7e96-c527-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html 100,000 ballots thrown out in California https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2020/0714/Why-California-threw-out-100-000-mail-in-primary-ballots 23,000 thrown out in Wisconsin https://www.apmreports.org/story/2020/07/23/wisconsin-absentee-ballot-rejections Thousands of ballots thown out due to tardiness https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/889751095/signed-sealed-undelivered-thousands-of-mail-in-ballots-rejected-for-tardiness Mail in ballot experiment fails with lost , late n damaged ballots https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vote-by-mail-ballot-counted-election/ Woman arrested forging ballots https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/plymouth-township-woman-charged-with-election-law-forgery-over-absentee-voter-ballot As the new York times claims ballots are secure in 2020, in 2012 they wrote they were extremely open to fraud https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html 28,000,000 ballots lost in last 3 elections https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143033.html Postal worker arrested for changing party affiliation on ballots https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/506869-postal-worker-pleads-guilty-to-election-fraud-after-changing 18,000 ballots not counted in Florida's primary https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/29/more-than-18000-mail-ballots-not-counted-in-floridas-march-presidential-preference-primary/ Thosands of ballots left on floor of building in North jersey https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/paterson/2020/08/14/paterson-nj-election-ballots-were-left-floor-post-office-says/5582951002/ Investigation as piles of mail found dumped in parking lot in california https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/515442-investigation-underway-after-bags-of-mail-found-dumped-in-los-angeles 1.6 million more voters than are registered in 19 california counties .. L.A county has 117% voter registration https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/01/07/five_states_face_federal_lawsuit_over_inaccurate_voter_registrations__142089.html 500,000 legit ballots in Virginia labelled with wrong return addresses https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-wrong-mail-in-ballots-fairfax-virginia/65-94c4847c-63fb-4a93-bac5-9bb45df00a8d Glitch sends duplicate ballots in pittsburg Allegheny county https://www.wesa.fm/post/glitch-sends-duplicate-ballots-voters-system-prevents-double-voting-county-says#stream/0 Detroit elections where 72% of absentee votes do not match registered voters https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/20/benson-asked-investigate-detroit-perfect-storm-voting-problems/5616629002/ 80,000 ballots dissappeared in baltimore https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-voting-snafu-update-20180625-story.html New York voting official warns people will use dead people to vote https://www.newsweek.com/mail-voting-ballots-deceased-1531481 Michigan secretary misprinted military absentee ballots . 400 already issued https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/09/president-trump-goes-after-michigan-secretary-of-state-again-over-ballot-misprint.html Mail in ballots found in road ditch in Wisconsin https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/23/mailed-in-ballots-found-tossed-in-wisconsin-ditch/ 4 officials arrested in ballot harvesting scheme https://www.kltv.com/2020/09/24/gregg-county-commissioner-others-arrested-alleged-vote-harvesting-scheme/ 9 military mail in ballots thrown in dumpster in PA https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/poconos-coal/fbi-psp-probing-9-discarded-ballots-in-luzerne-county/article_249405da-fea4-11ea-a8d7-b7faa419550f.html 134 felony voter fraud charges announced in Dem primary https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-voter-fraud New Yorkers receiving ballots with wrong names and adresses https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518682-new-yorkers-report-receiving-ballots-with-wrong-name-voter-addresses Queens voters receiving military ballots https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/nyc-voters-wrongly-getting-mail-in-ballots-marked-for-military-use/ Sun sentinel detailing Florida voting fraud https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-menge-mail-in-ballots-fraud-florida-20200416-hanmbneuendpbaftyktpactlga-story.html Ballot harvesting scam exposed in minneapolis https://nypost.com/2020/09/29/minneapolis-police-probing-alleged-ballot-harvesting-claims/ 1 in 4 election officials quit due to the new election law and chaos of mail in ballots https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/mail-ballot-law-pennsylvania-has-driven-out-nearly-quarter-state-n1240504 Texas Official arrested on felony election fraud charges https://www.newsweek.com/texas-official-arrested-felony-election-fraud-charges-could-face-99-year-sentence-1534183 Patterson city council official arrested along with 4 others in ballot fraud scheme https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/paterson-city-council-vice-president-among-4-charged-with-voting-fraud-in-may-special-election-nj-ag/2484797/ Yes America! Plenty of voter fraud https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/yes-america-there-voter-fraud-these-recent-cases-prove-it D.C voters receiving ballots for ex residents with some receiving up to 5 multiple ballots https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-voters-are-being-sent-mail-in-ballots-for-ex-residents
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  7954.  @captainswing4487  I'm British as it happens. From my point of view Trump, far from weaponising Republican policies has merely sidestepped them. He is a Republican in name only. He is not even a politician. He is a businessman who has arrived at the White House with no political debts to pay off, which is why the establishment fear him so greatly. I suffered briefly from Trump Derangement Syndrome in the early days, but I recovered quite quickly when I realised the staggering amount of lies being told about this man. He is no saint. I doubt he has read a book in his life, He is an unashamed narcissist and liar but he is genuine patriot. Deciding to become President was more or less a whim, but having got there he decided to run the country on sound business lines and it was working very well until the unexpected horrors of Covid 19 appeared. He is not a racist or a white supremacist. He is a bit of crook, but so is everyone else at the top of the American tree to some extent or another. Compared with Elizabeth Warren, say, or the Clintons and of course Joe Biden, he is a positive saint. If Biden gets in America will collapse into chaos. An estimated 84% of the estimated $1.5 billion raised by BLM in recent months has gone to help his campaign. They will want reimbursing. Proponents of the Green New Deal will also want payback for their support. Over five million guns have been bought by private citizens since the BLM riots got under way. We are looking at the most volatile situation the US has faced since the start of the Civil War. And to have a President who can scarcely remember his own name in charge......Well. lets hope Donny gets back in, that's all I can say.
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  7963. Urrcreavesh Oh dear! You are showing the usual signs of Carbonophope Derangement Syndrome which occur when your bubble is prodded. You want citations, go to to 1000frolly Phd who will give you,at great length , all the details of the many scientific papers he has read during the course of his research. Google Viking bodies for yourself. Shoestring budgets! Do't make me laugh - an estimated billion dollars a day is being spent on climate crisis garbage. The fossil fuel industry is just shrugging and adapting by making money from such nonsenses as coal-powered (electric) cars and wind turbines, each one of which costs far more in terms of carbon released into the atmosphere by the manufacture of their vast foundations than will be saved by their operation. You can check this out too, but I bet you're too chicken-shit scared to try a bit of research yourself. You'd much rather go through life believing the brainwashed bullshit doled out by you virtue-signalling schoolteachers. Of course the chemistry of tropospheric refraction is sound, and has been understood for many years. What is not clear, however, is to what extent the nature of that refraction is affected by the introduction of increased carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The results of laboratory experiments vary. Of course ice-core proxy data shows that increased carbon dioxide emissions follow increased temperatures by 5-800 years, which is an experiment hard to replicate. Indications are, incidentally, that carbon only stays in the air from for five years or so anyway. It's not your fault you're the way you are. It's just the way you've been brought up.
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  8400.  @indricotherium4802  On my planet epidemiologists believe that since covid 19 is what they call a heterogonous rather than a homogenous infection, treating it as though everyone has the same chance of catching it, and the same chance of dying from it, is very foolish indeed. They look at your planet and see collapsed economies, children dying from TB and malaria, middle aged people dying from untreated cancers and heart conditions and teenagers developing eating disorders and committing suicide, and they shake their heads in despair. They see how by spinning the progress of the disease out for month after month in vain attempts to contain it you have created ideal conditions for the virus to mutate, thanks to evolution and the power of immense numbers. On my planet we spent a fraction of what you spent on nonsensical and pointless test and trace systems and compensation for the financial consequences of of lockdowns and instead provided those people vulnerable to death and severe outcomes with protective equipment in the shape of isolation tents and hazmat suits. Then all the fit young people went to parties and caught what was, to them, nothing worse than a dose of flu. They became immune and this created a wall of immunity through which the virus could find no pathway. Being deprived of hosts, it rapidly died out and we got back on with our lives. Even on your planet where vaccines, although ineffective in the long term, ensure that fit and healthy people now suffer only a cold rather the flu, you still persist in believing that a virus which numbers three times the amount of stars in the visible universe can be beaten by making people walk six feet apart with bits of cloth over their faces. It really is very sad.
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  8565.  @atso1981  I think you misjudge the situation, and are unduly pessimistic. NATO was created to protect the West against Soviet Communist expansion. The collapse of the SU has made it irrelevant. Furthermore, Putin has merely protected Russian interests in Chechnya, Georgia and now in Ukraine - not sought to extend them. It seems to me that globalists have a need for perpetual war in order to advance their ideology. Neither Trump nor Putin adhere to this. Your assessment of history is incorrect, by the way. Russia was never formally in an alliance with NATO, but there was a period of cooperation. In 1997, the NATO-Russia Founding Act was signed, establishing the NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council to foster dialogue and collaboration on security issues This was replaced in 2002 by the NATO-Russia Council, which aimed to deepen cooperation. However, Russia did not have a "seat" in NATO, as it was not a member of the alliance. Instead, the agreements were about partnership and cooperation, not membership. While the Founding Act emphasized principles like refraining from the use of force and respecting sovereignty, it did not explicitly require Russia to allow former Soviet states to join NATO. NATO's open-door policy allowed countries to apply for membership if they met certain criteria, and decisions were made by NATO members. Relations between NATO and Russia deteriorated significantly after events like the Russo-Georgian War in 2008 and the annexation of Crimea in 2014, leading to the suspension of practical cooperation. Both sides are at fault in the collapse of these agreements. It is foolish to continually blame things on personalities.
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  8661.  @becauseiam7915  Mask mandate and use efficacy for COVID-19 containment in US States Damian D. Guerra1,*, Daniel J. Guerra2 1Department of Biology, University of Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky, United States of America; 2Authentic Biochemistry, VerEvMed, Clarkston, Washington, United States of America Background: COVID-19 pandemic mitigation requires evidence-based strategies. Because COVID-19 can spread via respired droplets, most US states mandated mask use in public settings. Randomized control trials have not clearly demonstrated mask efficacy against respiratory viruses, and observational studies conflict on whether mask use predicts lower infection rates. We hypothesized that statewide mask mandates and mask use were associated with lower COVID-19 case growth rates in the United States. Methods: We calculated total COVID-19 case growth and mask use for the continental United States with data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. We estimated post-mask mandate case growth in non-mandate states using median issuance dates of neighboring states with mandates. Results: Earlier mask mandates were not associated with lower total cases or lower maximum growth rates. Earlier mandates were weakly associated with lower minimum COVID-19 growth rates. Mask use predicted lower minimum but not lower maximum growth rates. Growth rates and total growth were comparable between US states in the first and last mask use quintiles during the Fall-Winter wave. These observations persisted for both natural logarithmic and fold growth models and when adjusting for differences in US state population density. Conclusions: We did not observe association between mask mandates or use and reduced COVID-19 spread in US states. COVID-19 mitigation requires further research and use of existing efficacious strategies, most notably vaccination. Keywords: COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, face covering, medical mask, mask mandate, nonpharmaceutical intervention
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  8725.  @Outspoken.Humanist  As I said, there are 70 hours of state senate hearings all pointing firmly at fraud, or malpractice at the very least. I append a small sample from one of the Georgia hearings below. Of course Trump knows about this, so there's no need for sarcasm! It was his lawyer Mayor Giuliani who organised these hearings and it is the material in these hearings which provide a bedrock for all those millions of Americans who believe that fraud took place. Life is not a cop show or a courtroom drama, all nicely scripted, so broadly speaking what has happened is this: Courts have refused to hear cases based upon selections from this body of evidence. This was entirely expected since no judge in his right mind would want something as dangerous as this in his courtroom. Trump's lawyers didn't want the cases to go through anyway. Proceedings would take months if not years. Instead state senates heard the evidence - and accepted a great deal of it in many cases - as raw evidence, but once again without the sanction of legal judgement. They were asked to overthrow the election result, but of course did not do so for much the same reasons as the judges were reluctant to take on cases. Instead they have generally promised to try to clean up their acts and alternative electors were sent to the college count on the 6th. Pence could, if he had wished, have accepted these alternative electors but, naturally enough, like the judges and the state senators he was reluctant to take such a serious step. Where we go from here no-one knows. There is hour upon hour of evidence , much of which I found personally very convincing and so too, apparently do around 39% of Americans. It is a recipe for tragedy and the first chapter began on Capitol hill on the day the electoral college met. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuD-zlhwD0M&t=8201s
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  8968.  @bonnie7898  Nobody is denying it. NATO and the US are quite proud of themselves. This is the introduction to a document from NATO published as a fact sheet 2016: "Following the September 2014 Wales Summit, NATO Allies have established five Trust Funds to help Ukraine better provide for its security. " The US Congressional Research Service provides full details. The US alone gave $24billion prior to the invasion. Other NATO countries have also chipped in a few billion. Colonel Musienko is not far wrong in his assessment, although it is a good deal more complicated than that. Russia does indeed wish to maintain its influence on Ukraine - or at least on the Eastern part of it. You might consider this to be only fair since the area has a very large percentage of Russian inhabitants and, perhaps even more significantly, Russia has invested blood, sweat, tears and uncounted billions of roubles in developing the vast mineral resources and industrial potential of Donbass. They are not happy with the Kiev government wanting to sell it off to the Americans, nor with the Americans for bribing the Kiev government so efficiently as to persuade them to do it. As to interference, after Putin persuaded Yanukovych to veto the EU bid, American agents organised widespread rioting in the streets, even allegedly posting snipers on the rooftops to shoot into the crowds. Yanukovych was forced to flee and was replaced by an interim American puppet, shortly to be replaced by the current American puppet, Zelensky.
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  9120.  @TheMarsCydonia  Your logic (if such it can be called) is somewhat twisted I think. Trump was accused of colluding with Russia to help him win the election. No evidence was found for this. In law the fact that the investigation found no case to answer does, indeed, prove that Trump was innocent. That's how it works. As I explained, the cases brought by the Trump team and others in local courts were brought with no real hope of success, and indeed with the expectation of merely testing the water at best. The exchange you posted between the Trump lawyer and the Michigan judge clearly illustrates this. The lawyer gave the judge good excuses to decline to hear the case and so avoid a dangerous situation for all concerned. I'm sure His Honour was very grateful and the Trump lawyers could surely see no point in instigating a lengthy legal procedure which could in no way reach a conclusion by the time of the Electoral College vote and which would in any case be liable to appeal. It is not a question of the judge being crooked. He is just being pragmatic - as indeed is the lawyer. The situation remains that absolutely no-one - not the state legislatures nor SCOTUS - are prepared to do anything which might allow Trump to win. No-one wants to reap the whirlwind. Unless he really is a brilliant three-dimensional chess player with a series of masterly strokes in reserve Trump will have to give up the Presidency, and he know it. But that of course is just the beginning. Trump probably didn't cheat all that much - and look what happened to him! On the other hand it very much seems as though Biden cheated like hell and this, combined with the alliances he has made with the likes of Antifa, BLM the Chinese Communist Party and George Soros are going to lead to a very volatile and unpredictable situation for America. I think it unlikely that it will be possible to avoid bloodshed.
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  9121.  @TheMarsCydonia  You still seem to be missing the point. The case against Trump was the result of a lengthy professional investigation which turned out to have been based in large part on manufactured evidence from a single source ( Steele). It failed. The case against Biden is based upon numerous allegations from various individuals and the authorities have thusfar failed to investigate them. The evidence is there but it has not been investigated. I have, for instance, just watched a video which appears to show Trump's vote actually DROPPING quite substantially at various junctures. Votes which had been recorded for him were quite suddenly taken away. How can this be so? Is it so? Are the analysts who have produced this evidence mistaken or lying? We need to know. And I never said the judge you quoted was crooked. He was just being sensible. Equally well the representatives of the various agencies you mention are also being sensible. It would be a bad career move for anyone to stand up to the Biden crew at this point. Barr is a glaring example of this. Your view of the situation seems overly simplistic. I repeat: the allegations have neither been proved or disproved because no court has had the courage - or folly - to consider them properly - or any investigative agency the instruction to investigate them. And thus they remain hanging in the air and are far more varied and substantial that vague stories about Trump people meeting with Putin people in hotel rooms. If someone can explain how more than 400,000 votes disappeared from Trump's totals in Pennsylvania, then that is just one anomaly to be ticked off. Others spring up to take its place. Even now in Georgia Republican observers are being denied the legal right to observe signature verifications. Why? As to your remark on the final part of my last comment I'm afraid you may be LOLLING on the other side of your face before long. America is a disaster waiting to happen at the moment.
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  9824.  @brainwasher9876  You make the common mistake of attributing Western values and motives to Russia. This war has never been about conquering territory - other than those parts of northern Donbass which remain in Ukrainian hands, and which are now been gradually retaken. It's prime objective has been to destroy the multi-billion dollar army which the US and NATO provided Ukraine with following the Minsk agreements. This has now largely succeeded. Two of Putin's military objectives are therefore close to being achieved. As to the cost in manpower and materiel there is a reason why Russia still has general conscription and keeps all its old equipment. It is to throw it at the enemy regardless of losses. This was the way war used to be done. The idea of keeping troops safe and bringing out new expensive bits of kit all the time is a relatively modern concept, and really the result of turning war into a profitable business concern, as the Americans have done. The costs to Russia are far from catastrophic compared to the gains that seem likely. Russia would have lost considerable international standing if it had allowed western interests to set up NATO bases in Ukraine and to syphon off the immense mineral wealth of Donbass and Crimea. As it is that wealth - estimated at around $13 trillion - seems likely to remain under Russian control, as it has been for centuries. By international standing I do not mean the approbation of that narrow circle of sycophantic nations which surround America, but the world at large: those emerging nations which are queuing up to join the BRICS group which Russia helped to found, and which hold the future of this planet in their hands.
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  10136.  @pazyryk9  As wordy as this is, it contains much I agree with. My position is that BLM and Antifa are essentially Marxist (even though many of their supporters don't realise it!) They are following a standard playbook in inciting rebellion amongst a a perceived underclass, and gaining support for this among the "student" class. This is exactly what Lenin and Trotsky did in Russia in 1917 and Mao and Pol Pot did later on. The essential difference now is that the underclass is not the "proletariat" because the proletariat aren't having any. Black people have been whipped into a frenzy to take on that role. The revolutionaries are well trained. The perfectly decent black people and students get excited and are turned into a howling mob. BLM agitators and Antifa black bloc herd them along while setting fires, smashing windows etc etc. The more excitable of the innocents join in. So too do criminals who are just there for the looting. The objective is the destabilisation of society and its replacement by a system of soviets, such as those tried out at Portland etc. Kyle Rittenhauser is a victim of this. He is a foolish and headstrong child who has responded to the evil he sees engulfing his world and, armed with a weapon which in other countries' would earn you a life sentence for owning, he has taken two lives. I think he has a good case for self-defence, although it will be touch and go. Scared kid. Bullying thug chucking stuff. Possible shots fired nearby. The people he shot were baddies and he was a goodie at the end of the day. It could have gone very badly for him if he hadn't been armed. And I really don't think he fired out of hatred or devilment. It was from fear.
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  10160.  @akselmani  Russia is not only holding its defensive lines but is about to extend them by launching an assault on those areas of Donbass still under Ukrainian control. How they can do this if their forces and equipment are as depleted as you say I cannot imagine. Perhaps you have been misinformed. Russia has a large criminal economy which is evading most of the restrictions you mention. By exporting through third parties its oil is reaching markets all over the world, both old and new. American and European trucks are running on Russian crude refined to diesel in other countries, mainly India. Tankers are going back and forth, to and from the Pacific Rim via the Arctic Ocean in large numbers. Entrepreneurs, both Russian and Asian, have been buying up old tankers by the hundred. None of this trade, of course, shows up on the official figures you quote. The world order is changing. We are moving from a monopolar. American-ruled world economy to a multipolar one Emerging nations in Africa, South America and Asia are looking on the progress of the war with keen interest. If America fails in its latest proxy war, and the vast mineral wealth of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea remains in Russian hands, then you may be sure that this will mean an end to American hegemony and economic disaster for those European countries who do not adjust to the new situation. Already these emerging economies are queuing up to join BRICS, as are the oil-rich countries of the Middle East. As to the relative excellence of weapons, this is not an area with which I have any expertise but it seems to me that American hardware is getting slagged off as much as the Russian stuff. And America cannot afford to see its tanks and ant-aircraft systems perform badly. Make no mistake - this could go either way but at the moment my money is on Russia emerging victorious, blooded but unbowed, while America slides deeper into degeneracy and economic collapse. This is the inevitable fate of empires.
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  10248.  @JohnSmall314  My reasoning is as follows. Please feel free to criticize and correct: For the week ending July 12 there were131 deaths with covid recorded in the UK. When these victims contracted the disease cannot be exactly known but assuming a reasonable pattern of infection we might say that many of them contracted covid three weeks before. That would be the week ending June 28 when 161,805 cases were recorded. 131 is .08% of 161,805. This may be contrasted with a similar position at the start if the second wave. On Nov 23 there were 3,404 deaths recorded in the preceding week. Three weeks before that in the week ending Nov 2 there were 160,104 cases recorded. 3,404 is 2.1% of 160,104 This clearly shows the huge impact vaccinations are having. It might also indicate that the delta variant is following a widely expected evolutionary pattern in being more transmissible but less virulent than preceding variants. Javid has said that daily cases might reach 100,000. If the current death to case ratio is maintained .08% of 700,000 will mean 560 deaths a week. This is entirely sustainable, considering that the current death rate from all causes is below the 5-year average and the covid victims continue to be very elderly and many of whom would have been likely to die from pre-existing conditions anyway. I cannot calculate how long it would be before the HIT is passed but with 700,000 people a week contracting the disease and becoming immune it cannot be be more than a few weeks.
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  10616.  @norbitcleaverhook5040  You have swallowed a chunk of propaganda, cooked up for consumption by simpletons. The truth of the matter is that THE Ukraine was a Russian creation from the days of Peter the Great and right through the time of the Soviet Union. The "country" created in the chaos of the Soviet collapse has no ethnic, economic or political cohesion. It has failed the test of time. The Americans, in their usual insidious, bullying fashion, have sought to take advantage of this. That new would-be world power, the EU, has also tried to get in on the act. In fact, Crimea is Russian and Mariupol and Donbass sufficiently Russian for a substantial number of their inhabitants to fervently wish to escape from the corrupt and incompetent rule of gangster-run Kiev. America and the UK have been training troops and supplying arms to aid Ukraine in its savage and bloodthirsty attempts to subdue the separatists in Donbass. NATO has been grooming Ukraine to qualify it for membership. If achieved, this would enable the US to set up a nuclear missile base within seven minutes flight time of Moscow. This, in turn, leads to the possibility of a pre-emptive strike by the US, crippling Russia before it has time to respond. In addition to this, America's drastic drop in prestige following its chaotic debacle in Afghanistan is more than likely leading Putin to believe he could either himself launch a pre-emptive strike, or even take out an American or NATO city, without evincing a full-blown response. The more he is pressured, the more likely he is to take this risk.
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  10753.  @dylaanowen  BLM is Marxist. Its founders are Marxist and its manifesto is (or was) Marxist. It has new been removed from the Internet and replaced with watered down version but even this calls for the displacement of the nuclear family as a basic unit of society and the overthrow of capitalism. Like Antifa it operates using a system of individual local cells. This system was first devised by Lenin and Trotsky in the lead-up to the Russian revolution to prevent the authorities "cutting of the head of the movement" as Lenin put it. He also described the students and liberal minded bourgeoisie who joined these cells as "useful idiots." Marxism faces great difficulties in the modern world in that its original message was to the proletariat - ie the oppressed workers. Nowadays the workers aren't so oppressed and have rejected the Marxist message, An artificial proletariat has had to be created, and black people fit the bill quite neatly. Islam translates as "obedience." It is a religion which requires unquestioning loyalty. Back in the day catholics did whatever their priests told them, no matter what. It is the same today with religious Muslims and their Imams. If an Imam decides that a candidate is the right candidate then all Muslims will be expected not only to vote for that candidate, but to do absolutely anything to ensure that candidate wins. That's just the way it is. The young men you saw in that video not only got paid, they are assured of a place in heaven. The death rate from Covid cannot be established for certain, but it is certainly considerably less that the figure you mention. It is more like a 99.03 survival rate. Long term ill effects are certainly a problem but this is the case with all viral infections. We have no idea how extensive this is going to be with Covid. In any case it must be remembered that it is not the virus itself which kills and damages people - it is the body's over-reaction to it. This is why it is important to concentrate on prophylactics and early stage viral reproduction inhibition measures rather than drugs which merely stimulate the immune system. It is arguable that much damage is done by ill considered medical intervention. The electoral college is disliked by the Democrats because it gives representation to Republican rural voters. Without it the lives of farmers in Ohio, say, would be constantly ruled by a President exclusively elected by city folks. The founding fathers realised the anomalies of proportional representation and created the electoral college as a result. It is a very good and fair idea.
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  11219.  @yoloswaggins7121  Little details like the Mediterranean and the Irish sea separate the countries you mention, but as I said, these analogies are foolish and always lead into blind corners. Much of what you say is true, but my point is that a compromise with Russia was always possible and that offered by Putin would have been vastly preferable to the present tragic disaster. I do not believe Russia wants to conquer Eastern Europe. I do not believe it wants Ukraine. It certainly doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO and it doesn't want it to become part of the EU. It feels that its historical relationship with Ukraine and its defence and economic interests entitle it to these views. There have been several treaties proffered by Putin which would go some way to resolving these problems, but all have either been rejected by the West or, like Minsk, used as a shield to allow Ukrainian militarisation. I say the West because Ukraine is little more than a pawn. It is, like Russia, an oligarchy and its people have little choice but to decide which set of oligarchs they want to rule them - the ones who deal with Russia or the ones who deal with America and its lackeys. The last of these treaties was proffered almost exactly a year ago. You can find details easily enough on the Internet. Broadly speaking it requires a cessation of NATO aggrandisement, protection for the ethnic Russians in the Donbass, preferably by allowing independence for the region, and recognition of Crimea as part of the Russian Federation. The tragedy is, of course, is that this could well be pretty close to what actually happens in the end, and could have been arrived at without thousands of deaths and a country lying in smoking ruins.
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  11693.  @aidanknox122  You make some interesting points. I maintain there is a considerable difference between Christian extremism and Muslim extremism. The first is concerned with maintaining what its proponents believe to be God's will on Earth while the second, although acknowledging this principle, is also very much concerned with preparing its adherents for death. This used to be the case with Christianity too but following the Enlightenment it is something which has very much taken second place and really only persists in more intense RC circles. It is an insidious obsession in my view. If religion has any function at all it is to provide comfort for the living. Structuring behaviour around the idea of qualifying for entry into a probably fictitious Paradise is a procedure fraught with danger. As is the case in the Muslim world - though no longer in the Christian one -it allows psychopathic individuals to exercise control over the fearful and manipulate their congregations to fulfil their own political objectives which, paradoxically enough, are generally concerned with gaining power on Earth. Suicide bombers and Hamas soldiers really do genuinely believe that when they are killed they will go immediately to Paradise which, for many of them, appears to be no more than an opportunity to indulge in adolescent fantasies for all infinity. Evangelical Christians have no such credo. They wish to impose their will on the rest of us, certainly, but those of them who arm themselves do so merely as a defensive measure. Nutjobs wielding automatic weapons are a far cry from nation states providing billions of $$ of rockets and bombs in order to bring about the Caliphate. As for Woke; I know what it is, but I find it hard to define. I think it is probably a kind of awful self-satisfaction which awfully self-righteous people have in imposing their wishy-washy views on the rest of us. It's about cancel culture and enforced pronouns, micro-aggressions and safe spaces and other such nonsense. It really gets on my goat - so it must exist!
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  11765.  @damianeadie510  I think I've already answered these questions. But to paraphrase. 1) No treaty lasts forever. Budapest is no exception. 2) In 1994 the Russian Federation was finding its feet and suffering an identity crisis. With Putin it has found the strong leader needed to stand up to America. His essay, incidentally, in not propaganda but a considered document intended for an informed audience. 3)In the years since 1994 America has encouraged the spread of NATO to Russia's borders , despite verbal assurances that this would not occur. Over the same period it has also fomented rebellions in Georgia and Ukraine as well as providing assistance to Islamist enemies in Chechnya and Syria. These acts alone entirely undermine the principles of mutual non-aggression upon which Budapest was broadly based. 4)As to the intertwined histories of the two countries these are covered extensively and accurately in Putin's essay. The essential detail, however, is that the disputed territories do not form part of this history. They were steppe inhabited by wandering tribes of Tatars and Don Cossacks and if little interest to anyone until coal in great quantities was found there at the start of the industrial revolution. Tatars and Cossacks not being amenable to working in mines and factories large numbers of Russians arrived to do the work. Ukrainians did not. Russians still makeup the majority of the population in areas of industrial concentration. The transfer of power to Kiev was a disastrous to the local economy with catastrophic drops in profits and wages. The desire among many to reestablish rations with Russia is strong and made all the stronger following Poroshenko's savage repression of the rebellion post-Maidan. To summarise, I would suggest you are the victim of a series of myths perpetrated by Western entities in which under the guise of spreading freedom and democracy their commercial interests are extended. These tactics require to existence of a dangerous enemy and are concealed beneath a spurious legality. The Americans perfected this technique when dealing with the inhabitants of the lands they has occupied and apply many of the same principles today. If you want to talk about broken treaties just look up America's treatment of the Indians.
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  11796.  @2greenify  This is a list of American invasions over approximately that period. What ownership or influence America still exercises over them I leave you to judge for yourself. (Go back another 100 years and you could argue that America stole all the land it now occupies!( 1914-1918 - a series of invasions of Mexico. 1914-1934 - Haiti. After numerous uprisings, America brings in its troops, the occupation continues for 19 years. 1916-1924 - 8-year occupation of the Dominican Republic. 1917-1933 - military occupation of Cuba, economic protectorate. 1917-1918 - participation in the 1st World War. 1918-1922 - intervention in Russia. In total, 14 states participated in it. Active support was provided to the territories that separated from Russia - Kolchakia and the Far Eastern Republic. 1918-1920 - Panama. After the elections, troops are brought in to quell the riots. 1919 - COSTA RICA. ... The landing of US troops to "protect American interests." 1919 - American troops fight on the side of Italy against the Serbs in Dolmatia. 1919 - American troops enter Honduras during elections. 1920 - Guatemala. 2-week intervention. 1921 - American support for militants fighting to overthrow Guatemalan President Carlos Herrera for the benefit of the United Fruit Company. 1922 - intervention in Turkey. 1922-1927 - American troops in China during the popular uprising. 1924-1925 - Honduras. Troops invade the country during elections. 1925 - Panama. US troops break up a general strike. 1926 - Nicaragua. Invasion. 1927-1934 - American troops stationed throughout China. 1932 - invasion of El Salvador from the sea. There was an uprising at that time. 1937 - Nicaragua. With the help of American troops, the dictator Somoza comes to power, having removed the legitimate government of H. Sakasa. 1939 - the introduction of troops into China. 1947-1949 - Greece. American troops are involved in the civil war, supporting the Nazis. 1948-1953 - military operations in the Philippines. 1950 - Uprising in Puerto Rico is suppressed by American troops. 1950-1953 - armed intervention in Korea about a million American soldiers. 1958 - Lebanon. The occupation of the country, the fight against the rebels. 1958 - confrontation with Panama. 1959 - America sends troops to Laos, the first clashes of American troops in Vietnam begin. 1959 - Haiti. The suppression of a popular uprising against the pro-American government. 1960 - after José Maria Velasco was elected president of Ecuador and refused to comply with US demands to break off relations with Cuba, the Americans carried out several military operations and organized a coup. 1960 - US troops enter Guatemala to prevent the removal of a US puppet from power. 1965-1973 - military aggression against Vietnam. 1966 - Guatemala. ... US troops entered the country, massacres of Indians were arranged, who were considered potential rebels. 1966 - military assistance to the pro-American governments of Indonesia and the Philippines. ... (60,000 people were arrested for political reasons, 88 torture specialists officially worked under the government). 1971-1973 - bombing of Laos. 1972 - Nicaragua. American troops are brought in to support the government, beneficial to Washington. 1983 - military intervention in Grenada, about 2 thousand marines. 1986 - attack on Libya. Bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi. 1988 - US invasion of Honduras 1988 - The USS Vincennes, which was in the Persian Gulf, shot down an Iranian plane with 290 passengers on board, including 57 children. 1989 - US troops quell riots in the Virgin Islands. 1991 - large-scale military action against Iraq 1992-1994 - occupation of Somalia. Armed violence against civilians, killings of civilians. 1998 - Sudan. The Americans destroy a pharmaceutical plant with missiles, claiming that it produces nerve gas. 1999 - ignoring the norms of international law, bypassing the UN and the Security Council, the United States launched a 78-day air bombardment campaign by NATO forces against the sovereign state of Yugoslavia. 2001 - invasion of Afghanistan. 2003 - bombing of Iraq. 2011 - Libya. 2014 Syria US and allied invasion of Syria 2015 Yemen US missile strikes on Yemeni Houthi rebel positions and active support for the intervention of Saudi Arabia and its allies in Yemen 2015 Cameroon US military operation in Cameroon 2015 Libya Second intervention in Libya
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  11907.  @ivareskesner2019  I agree very much with your last statement. The difficulty lies in establishing what the facts are. For instance the stories about low-lying islands "drowning" are not facts. These islands get swept by hurricanes, as ever, but water levels are not rising. Beachfront hotels continue to be built. This is typical of the problems we "deniers" face. There is very little evidence of sea-level rises or increased temperatures, and those that there are can easily be explained by natural cycles. In the middle of the 19th century the earth as as cold as it had been for more than 10,000 years. Since then the temperature has begun to rise in the usual "three steps forward two steps back" fashion dictated by the progress of those "macro" progressions you dismiss so lightly. It is clear these progressions are mathematical and rise and fall according to processes we do not understand. The solar system has a heartbeat, in other words. There is nothing in any way remarkable about the gradual increase in temperature we are currently experiencing. What is very remarkable is the way in which this rise has been manipulated by NASA, NOAA et al to make it appear to coincide with increased atmospheric carbon levels when in fact it does not. It was generally hotter in the 1890's and the 1930's than it is today. The very fact that the proponents of AGW have dismissed such information on the basis that equipment was unreliable is acceptable, I suppose. What is not acceptable is they have replaced the numbers with estimates working back from the theory. Deaths from heat, flood hurricanes and other natural disaster were much, much higher in the past but this has been conveniently overlooked. Not all scientists believe the falsehoods upon which the theory is based. There are 200 to 500 papers published each year calling the theory into question. One of the latest for instance, seems to once again knock holes in the interpretation of the Vostok ice core samples which sparked off the whole mess. (PS don't bother with the NASA paper. I gave up believing anything from that source years ago.)
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  12283. nosuchperson2 You are living in a world of utter fantasy. False flag predictions are backed by falsified data. While past temperature readings have been consistently adjusted downwards for a variety of flimsy reasons, recent ones have been grossly exaggerated. The Urban Heat Island Effect is not being taken into account, despite assurances to the contrary. Indeed a number of new automated stations have been set up in urban areas the readings from which add to the bias. The position of reading equipment on ships has been altered to place it closer to engines. Satellite data showed no appreciable increase in temperature throughout the 21st century - until NASA realised it had slipped up and raised all the readings on the incredibly pathetic excuse that the satellites 'orbits had all decayed and placed them in a cooler part of the troposphere. AGW through CO2 emissions is a total con trick designed to make money through the creation of the cap and trade market, and seized upon by globalists as a means of exercising power through terror. Recent studies of the REAL atmosphere, rather than using flawed computer models, indicate that CO2 does not affect temperature in any other than a purely regulatory way. Surface temperature is the result of a combination of atmospheric pressure, gravity, ocean and air current flows and a number of of other factors the most significant of course being proximity to the sun. This is the case with all other planets in the solar system, so why should the earth be any different? The composition of the atmosphere is relevant only in that it appears to form part of a mechanism designed to keep the atmosphere in a condition of thermodynamic stability. You are living in a bubble. Be prepared for it to burst before too long.
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  12318.  @travishimebaugh8381  The statistics are readily available on the ONS website (see below) . Just click on the Death by Age section. As you will see the vast majority of deaths are, as I said, in the very oldest age groups. Even people in their seventies have a very good chance of survival and the number of people under the age of 45 who have died is very small. They will nearly all have been people with existing severe conditions, such as you have mentioned and yes, it is this thousand or so people who are the real victims of the pandemic. These are the people I believe we should be protecting instead of foolishly trying to hold back the tide of the virus. So-called Long Covid certainly exists - but all pathogens have long term adverse affects on a small minority of victims. There is no reason to suppose at this stage that Covid 19 is worse in this respect than previous influenzas for example. It is just that in some people the immune system panics and goes goes into overdrive and does more harm than good. It has to be said that ill-judged medical interventions can also result in such outcomes. At the moment Covid 19 is merely replacing influenzas as the prime seasonal respiratory infection. Despite what the media tells you there is no reason why hospitals cannot cope. As you will see elsewhere in the ONS report only a few regions in the north of England are experiencing higher than usual respiratory illness activity. Actually the more healthy people who get the disease and get over it and become immune the better. This cuts the routes for the spread of the infection and whatever casualties there are will be fewer than those created by the absurd on/off knee jerk politically motivated strategies employed thusfar. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending4december2020#deaths-registe
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  12321.  @travishimebaugh8381  Keep trying. Hospitalisations and deaths from Covid 19 are currently on a pretty exact parallel with national average figures previously occupied by influenza, except for areas in northern England where both are slightly above average. This can clearly be seen in the ONS figures. Covid 19 is highly infectious , but less fatal than several influenzas. When you think about it if a lot of people get an infection but less than .05% of them die then the fatality rate is going to be low. Influenzas of course kill children and young adults, which Covid 19 does not, which means that in terms of years of life lost their effects are far more devastating. The Hong Kong flu of the winter of 1968/69 killed proportionately at least as many people in the UK as Covid - and many of them were children. No lockdowns. No social distancing. A few people wore masks but were generally regarded as being somewhat eccentric. We had only relatively recently dealt with the little matter of World War II which tended to put things in perspective. Keep Calm and Carry on. If Hitler and the Luftwaffe weren't going to make us shut up shop then some bug from foreign parts certainly wasn't going to. We could do with spirit today instead of the vacillation and cowardice which is leading the world into ruin. The WHO estimates that at least 160million people are already in a state of extreme poverty thank to the knock-on effects of lockdowns and economic shrinkage in the more prosperous parts of the world. And for what? To give old people a few more months of life in which they are not even allowed to hug their grandchildren. It's sickening.
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  12322.  @travishimebaugh8381  This is a rather distasteful sort of competition, don't you think? The Spanish flu of 1918 is estimated to have killed 250,000 in the UK but really it is impossible to compare past influenzas with Covid 19 because of the peculiar way we have chosen to attribute the figures. They are talking about 66,000 or so aren't they? The total deaths from all causes this year is 568,000 or so compared with 530,841 last year and 541,589 the year before that. Simple subtraction shows how extremely unlikely it is that 66,000 people have died from Covid 19. This ridiculous diktat of attributing a Covid death in any case where there has been a positive test in the previous 28 days makes the figures almost meaningless, especially when compared with previous influenza epidemics. where there was no similar practice. If someone died of flu they died of flu, and that was that. The Hong Kong flu of 68/69 undoubtedly killed far more people than actually killed by Covid 19. I do not know of any detailed study of the economic impact of the outbreak, but common sense tells us that it must have been far less than the current shambles. Factories carried on producing, shops remained open and it was scarcely mentioned in the media so there was no psychological impact. The child death figures for Covid really are negligible, as you must know if you've managed to find your way around the ONS website. One or two under 16 and a dozen or so in their twenties and all with pre-existing morbidities. Only around 800 in total under 45, I think - and that out of a population of close on 70 million. As for old people dying by the truckload they tend to die in whatever numbers nature dictates whatever we do. The availability of people ready to die is as big a factor in these gruesome equations as the presence of things likely to kill them. Your blackout analogy is utterly ridiculous. Boris Johnson might think he's Winston Churchill and Covid 19 is the Luftwaffe but there are no similarities in any of these instances. Leaving the lights on during a nocturnal air raid will have obvious consequences but there is little evidence that lockdowns or mask mandates achieve very much at all. The graphs just curve unhindered along the lines that nature and mathematics indicate they must.
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  12384.  @lazytitan9987  You are misinformed on a number of counts. Covid is a disease which only produces dire effects when it affects the respiratory system. It will never become eradicated via a process of vaccination. Children will only be able to pass it on in rare circumstances - if at all. Comparisons with such diseases as measles are meaningless. Current studies show that long-term affects are also governed by age. They occur hardly at all in teenagers, affect around 1.2% of patients in their 20s and up to 4.8% of those in middle age. The percentages you cite have no foundation other than possibly being an average found in patients in ICU's, many of whom have been elderly and very elderly. As with death and severe illness, so-called long covid is age related with young people suffering from it only rarely. Your paragraph 3 is nonsensical. There is no evidence that young adults and school children have been major factors in infection surges and in any case pre-pubescent children would be excluded from the equation. I simply don't understand the last sentence. The vast majority of the current wave of cases have occurred among unvaccinated and therefore probably younger people and their symptoms are consequently generally not life-threatening. People who have been vaccinated and have still caught the disease are themselves generally experiencing only mild symptoms with relatively low viral loads and are therefore unlikely to infect others to any great degree. New variants- or their coming into pre-eminence - have nothing to do with the number of new cases. They already exist but only take hold when circumstances are altered to allow whatever tiny differences they possess to find an advantage. This is called evolution and has been known about for some time.
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  12393.  @lazytitan9987  I'm afraid the CDC has lost all credibility as far as I am concerned. Much like SAGE it is a political organisation which changes its views according to mysterious diktat. And as for The Conversation....well Of course any virus which exists has gone through a process of reproduction, otherwise it wouldn't exist, would it? The point is a variant with increased transmissibility comes to no purpose unless a situation exists whereby some advantage will derive from the minor alteration in its RNA which increases its transmissibility. Take the likely life history of the Delta variant for example. In India only wealthy people living in detached suburban homes have any hope of enduring or sustaining lockdown. They evade the earlier less efficient less transmissible variant but along comes Delta, perhaps some of just a few million floating about, and it's quick enough off the mark to start up a series of infections within this restricted environment. It spreads and is inevitably transferred to the general population, some of whom visit their relatives in the UK and then some of their neighbours travel Europe on business or holiday. Viruses don't spontaneously generate and although it is possible that some wealthy Indian caught earlier covid and it mutated within him it is just as likely that Delta variants existed in the vast invisible clouds of aerosols and virions which surround us. In either case it's only going to spread initially in an environment from which its rivals are excluded, isn't it? Being able to jump six feet is of no advantage when the fence is only five feet high. Delta didn't ought to be more virulent than its predecessor (although it might be) it just has to be more readily transmissible. In fact in time covid variants ought to become less deadly since if the hosts die they can't can't spread that variant. Indeed, in time covid 19 ought to become just one of the components of that little platoon of irritating pathogens we call the common cold.
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  12398.  @lazytitan9987  There is no consensus, simply a wide selection of views some influenced by political considerations and others not. Yes, I naturally greet with considerable relief the fact that highly qualified specialists support my instinctive assessments. These include tenured professors and WHO advisors with lengthy and distinguished careers in epidemiology and public healthcare and I am reassured to note that they do not depend on political placement for their livelihoods. Your 10% illustration is utterly ridiculous. A virus may be 10% more transmissible than its competitors but if it exists in very very small numbers it will stand no chance of beating the competition. Its extra transmissibility is irrelevant because extra transmissibility is not needed. Only when competition is affected by the introduction of restrictions in the available number of hosts will its improved transmissibility prove its worth - and it will then vastly increase in number and reach a point where, because of that increased number, its 10% advantage will lead to it replacing the competition. Which is what has happened. Evolution occurs as a result of a change in balance between environment and individual characteristics. Nature changes the individual characteristics but in the present instance it is we who alter the environment to allow the characteristics to bring advantage to their possessor. Isolation? Finches isolated on an island where the nutshells are hard end up with stronger beaks. Viruses isolated in the suburbs of Delhi where hosts are hard to find end up with more efficient protein spikes.
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  12399.  @lazytitan9987  I strongly deny that I have ever ascribed intention to evolutionary change! Quite the contrary I have made it clear that the success of a new variant depends upon a relationship between environment and acquired characteristics. New variants occur in an arbitrary way and there are very many of them, the vast majority of which bring no benefit. Finch beaks develop in response to the environment as as do viruses. The only difference is that viral evolution is several million times quicker and in this instance man has altered the environment. Less infections may mean less mutations but we have long ago passed the point where this matters. The number of viruses that have been created is so vast that the Delta variant must have emerged several time over. The tiny differences it possesses do not enable it to beat the competition as long as the competition outnumbers it so greatly and is itself allowed to continue its natural function. I think it is you who are ascribing motive to this arbitrary process. The Delta variant has not become dominant because it is smarter and more determined than other viruses, but because environments have been created which give it the opportunity to do so. ( I was particularly intrigued by your assertion that "similarly the seeds which are too hard for the existing beak strength of the finch population don’t get eaten and are able to reproduce more." How does that work out? Was it a mistake in your English or do you actually not realise that seeds of the type eaten by birds actually NEED to be eaten in order for the plant to reproduce?)
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  12402.  @lazytitan9987  I'm fairly tired of explaining things to you. The difference between us I think is that I understand your explanations but disagree with them. You can't seem quite to grasp mine. I will speak unto you in parables: In the vast plains of Africa there are vast herds of impala. They are preyed upon by both lions and cheetahs. Both catch and eat the impalas and so survive and breed. One day the god of the impalas removes nine tenths of the impalas and the rest exist in small groups scattered around the vast plain. All at once the cheetahs are at an advantage as their speed allows them to run down the remaining impalas while the poor lions stagger around in the undergrowth, puffing and panting. It is an inadequate analogy, as all analogies must be, but you of course must realise that the "unexplained" reduction in host numbers in this case is the action of the god of the impalas. The "unexplained" reduction in host numbers in our present instance is the imposition of lockdown restrictions. According to your way of thinking as soon as cheetahs appeared on the scene their extra efficiency would have allowed them to outcompete the lions into extinction. Not so. Plenty to go around. I repeat: A small advantage is no advantage at all unless circumstances allow it to be so. Being more transmissible is only an advantage when the number of hosts capable of being transmitted to is reduced to a level whereby viruses with less transmissible qualities cannot readily find hosts. As is the objective of lockdowns.
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  12403.  @lazytitan9987  You are extending my parable beyond its parameters. The principle is all that needs to be understood. Zoological quibbles are to no purpose. Delta began in India where you say there are no effective lockdowns. This is not entirely true. Lockdowns were imposed from the outset but were of course somewhat impractical in such an overcrowded country. Most Indian cities and towns are, however, surrounded by wealthy suburban areas which lend themselves ideally to lockdown and isolation. Large villas, widely separated and surrounded by high fences and walls, give wealthy families the opportunity to divorce themselves almost entirely from the world outside. It is my contention that in environments such as this that the Delta variant emerged as dominant. A peculiarity of SARS-Cov 2 is that unlike previous covids it appears to be capable of swift mutation in the manner of influenza viruses. Scientific opinion on why this should be is sharply divided. One answer to the question might well be that through our interventions we have created circumstances encouraging and vastly speeding up the mechanics of evolution. This has happened in individual cases where patients subjected to a variety of experimental treatments have produced a new variant in response. The virus' immense rate of reproduction allows it to come up with a solution simply by throwing billions of answers at the problem until one fits. Back to Bihar Crescent, New Delhi where Mr Gupta and his family are heeding government advice and self-isolating. Their fridges are full but they still have deliveries which are left at the gate for collection. The amount of virions and aerosols in the compound and in the house is much reduced, but it is still there and among the billions which arrive there are a few million delta variants (as well as a few million other variants which need not concern us here). So which variant is most likely to infect Mt Gupta's family? Obviously the one most fitted to do so - the more transmissible Delta. Back in the city slums B.1234 or whatever its name is still infecting by the thousand and the Deltas do no better or worse since their depredations are concealed among the infections which B 1234 can still readily achieve as there are plenty of hosts to infect who then infect one other very rapidly due to close proximity. The rest is history, as they say. Mr Gupta's servants come to town along with the servants of all his neighbours and all infected with the Delta variant. At last Delta is available in sufficient numbers to get among the slum dwellers and utilise its increased transmissibility to infect enough of them before B 1234 corners the market. There's a new kid on the block and all he needed was a start in life.
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  12514.  @Liz_for_PM_again  The instinct for racism is based on two things: ignorance of the true nature of people of other races and the threat of the loss of property to members of another race. Both are overcome when a minority becomes sufficiently large for its characteristics to be generally known. English people now generally accept black people as they accept Welsh, Scottish and Irish people. They have done so for many years for the most part, as expressed, for instance, by the warm welcome generally given to black GIs during the War. Racial incidents since then have generally occurred when young men have looked for groups of other young men to fight, but this is just something that young men do. I think the situation in Britain has been adversely affected by the situation in America where black people are understandably aware of their ancestors' role as imported slaves, and white people feel guilty because of it. The trouble is largely political since the Democrat party relies on the black vote to survive and is guilty of whipping up this resentment in order to present itself as an antidote to it. That syndrome has filtered into our attitude over here to a certain extent, and there is no need for it. What racism exists is rare and residual and we do ourselves no favours by drawing exaggerated attention to the dangers of it. Throwing bananas on football pitches is not racism though. It is banter. It's no better or worse than accusing Swansea supporters of having sex with sheep.
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  12515.  @rocketscience4516  The incident of having bricks thrown through your windows must have been truly horrible but, as with the rest of your experiences, I think you must admit that it was probably the result of bored young people looking for an excuse for devilment rather than the result of any deeply-held racial prejudices. Racism is a first instinct response and only seems to occur with the onset of puberty, when sexual and territorial rivalries come to the fore. Most of us quickly learn to overcome it when we see the advantages that can be gained from extending the hand of friendship. After this point racial resentment becomes a form of psychosis and only relatively few people suffer from it -usually the more inadequate amongst us. As I have already said, I think it is a mistake to place too much emphasis upon the effects of this aberration. Shine a light on it and it grows, largely because it can be transformed into an effective political weapon. Resentment is very inflammable and this applies as much to the resentment of black people who feel they have been misused as it does to that of white people who can be made to believe their security is threatened. More so these days, I think. I remember being very disheartened by the growth of the National Front in the 1970s. It may shock you to know that I am equally disheartened by the appearance of BLM in the present day. They both represent two sides of the same coin: the encouragement and manipulation of racial resentment for political ends.
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  12574.  @sososoprano1  That is only part of the story. And what is a "Palestinian" anyway? This whole area was impoverished and vastly underpopulated under the aegis of the declining Ottoman Empire. Only between half a million to a million lived there and a high percentage of them were Jews. Then Zionism came along. The Zionists actually bought large tracts of land from their Ottoman owners and began a process of transforming a derelict semi-desert into thriving farmland. Arabs flooded in from neighbouring countries, either as labourers or in some cases as actual invaders. Today's "Palestinians" are largely the descendants of these people. If it wasn't for Jews they wouldn't be there. The wave of Jewish settlers which occurred after the horror of the Holocaust created enormous problems all round, and things were done on both sides which, in retrospect, were utterly shameful. But the over-riding factor in my view is that the Muslims hate the Jews for religious reasons. The more extreme among them -who have the whip hand, sadly - want them all dead. The Jews on the other hand are quite happy to live side by side with Arabs as long as they behave themselves, work hard and don't steal from them or threaten to kill them. I sincerely hope and pray that the Arabs will eventually be able to cast off their religious prejudices and take part properly in the great experiment which is the creation of the state of Israel. As things stand, however, they have to accept the consequences of their attitude and actions. They have given the Israelis no real alternative.
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  12646. Georges Prat This is so tiresome! In my universe the arctic is getting warmer at the moment, fulfilling a long established cycle. It is now in roughly the same state as it was about 90 years ago and can be expected to begin cooling pretty rapidly very soon. The ice over the North Pole area is only about eight feet thick, but then it's always been like that The ice in the antarctic usually shifts about quite a bit and right now ice sheets in the west have reduced and thinned but have grown thicker in eastern areas. We think this is all to do with the amount of snowfall and our planet's position vis-a-vis the sun. Our sea levels aren't rising at all! Since the ice that has melted is all thin sea ice it's sort of part of the water anyway. Funny that. Also some islands which are only a few feet above sea level stubbornly refuse to sink beneath the waves. Property prices there are now booming. Our polar bears are now enjoying record numbers and are all in extremely good health. So are the seals on which they feed. In fact there are so many bears around that they haunt Russian townships like raccoons, clattering about in the rubbish bins at night. In my universe we have many so-called scientists who make up figures and alter data in a very reprehensible way to make it look as though it is hotter than it is. They also write pretend papers proving all this by algebra which they send around to each other. This called peer review. Many people get frightened by this. We also have people called "journalists" who enjoy re-writing these papers and making scary films out of them and silly people get even more scared still. How is it over your way? Here's some nice blue writing: www.ceres-science.com co2science.org/video/confirmed/gope_confirmed.php ronanconnollyscience.wordpress.com
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  12647. Georges Prat Thanks for being friendly. I will now step into your universe, if I may. I think only time will tell which school of thought is correct. I can see no way in which man-made C02 levels will ever be reduced to any significant degree and therefore if the "hotter" versions of the climate models are correct then we will all die, which will settle matters quite thoroughly. On the other hand I do believe it likely that the role of C02 has been considerably exaggerated. The model of the atmosphere created by Arrenhuis has become such an icon that it is almost sacrilege to question the results of experiments based upon it. I disagree entirely with your (1) and (2). (1) What has happened is that back in the late 70's the prospect of increased global warming became fashionable - because the Earth was indeed getting warmer following a cooling period of some 30 years. It was then discovered that atmospheric CO2 was rising, due to man-made emissions. Put this beside the hallowed theorems on the reaction of carbon to infra-red and -bingo! It is at this point that I become a conspiracy theorist. Not a bad thing to be if there really is a conspiracy. Practitioners of the black art of hedge fund dealing recognised a golden opportunity. By persuading governments to restrict carbon emissions a scarcity value is created. The same principle applies, oddly enough, to carbon in another form -diamonds. Diamonds are as common as dirt. It is only because their supply is restricted that they have any value. So it is now with carbon emissions. They can be traded, and they are being traded- at considerable financial gain. There's big money here and big money talks very loudly indeed. The academic grants system encourages scientists to keep the ball rolling and discourages them from questioning the AGW doctrine. The Connollys, incidentally, jumped ship from the system when they realised they would only get grants to repeat research, not try new approaches. (2) The idea of a sinister fossil fuel industry promoting anti AGW propaganda is just laughable. Who makes the expensive videos and pays rent-a-gob TV personalities to front them? Who makes all the scary cartoons and computer graphics? Who's got practically the entire western world's media companies in their pocket? The hedge funds do. George Soros and his cronies. If the fossil fuel industry wanted to undermine AGW science you think they'd do better than pay Tony Heller or frolly1000 or than nice lady from Friends of Science, wouldn't you? Naah. The fossil fuel boys have their bases covered. They're in on the act too. The scam has only the still, small voices of reason to worry about. That and the weather of course.
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  12780.  @timetraveler43  My original post was in response to the claim that the EU response to covid was better than the UK's. In fact both approaches seem to have resulted in dire consequences - unless some other factor can be found to explain the extraordinary divergences in excess deaths currently being experienced. As to stress - surely the stress might be reduced by now? So why are people dropping dead from heart and pulmonary conditions in such numbers? One explanation is the fact that routine screening for such conditions fell by the wayside during lockdowns etc. Another cannot be mentioned without risking this post being deleted, so dreadful a prospect does it present. Suffice it to say that adverse reactions to this procedure are currently several THOUSAND times more than to previous procedures of a similar nature. Some indication of this is that government body which exists to assess compensation for the adverse effects of such procedures has now increased the number of staff from four to eighty. For your information, these are the latest figures on excess deaths in the UK from the Office of National Statistics: "The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 24 March 2023 (Week 12) was 13,790, which was 13.3% above the five-year average (1,617 more deaths); of these deaths, 699 involved COVID-19." So that means that, even without covid, there were more than nine hundred more deaths that week than the average for the previous five years. Stress? I don't think so.
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  13044.  @shawns0762  Really the only difference between the Soviet empire, the Nazis, the Japanese empire and the American empire is that the American empire is still operational. For now. For your information, here is a list of the countries bullied, manipulated and invaded by the US over the past hundred years or so: 1914-1918 - a series of invasions of Mexico. 1914-1934 - Haiti. After numerous uprisings, America brings in its troops, the occupation continues for 19 years. 1916-1924 - 8-year occupation of the Dominican Republic. 1917-1933 - military occupation of Cuba, economic protectorate. 1917-1918 - participation in the 1st World War. 1918-1922 - intervention in Russia. In total, 14 states participated in it. Active support was provided to the territories that separated from Russia - Kolchakia and the Far Eastern Republic. 1918-1920 - Panama. After the elections, troops are brought in to quell the riots. 1919 - COSTA RICA. ... The landing of US troops to "protect American interests." 1919 - American troops fight on the side of Italy against the Serbs in Dalmatia. 1919 - American troops enter Honduras during elections. 1920 - Guatemala. 2-week intervention. 1921 - American support for militants fighting to overthrow Guatemalan President Carlos Herrera for the benefit of the United Fruit Company. 1922 - intervention in Turkey. 1922-1927 - American troops in China during the popular uprising. 1924-1925 - Honduras. Troops invade the country during elections. 1925 - Panama. US troops break up a general strike. 1926 - Nicaragua. Invasion. 1927-1934 - American troops stationed throughout China. 1932 - invasion of El Salvador from the sea. There was an uprising at that time. 1937 - Nicaragua. With the help of American troops, the dictator Somoza comes to power, having removed the legitimate government of H. Sakasa. 1939 - the introduction of troops into China. 1947-1949 - Greece. American troops are involved in the civil war, supporting the Nazis. 1948-1953 - military operations in the Philippines. 1950 - Uprising in Puerto Rico is suppressed by American troops. 1950-1953 - armed intervention in Korea about a million American soldiers. 1958 - Lebanon. The occupation of the country, the fight against the rebels. 1958 - confrontation with Panama. 1959 - America sends troops to Laos, the first clashes of American troops in Vietnam begin. 1959 - Haiti. The suppression of a popular uprising against the pro-American government. 1960 - after José Maria Velasco was elected president of Ecuador and refused to comply with US demands to break off relations with Cuba, the Americans carried out several military operations and organized a coup. 1960 - US troops enter Guatemala to prevent the removal of a US puppet from power. 1965-1973 - military aggression against Vietnam. 1966 - Guatemala. ... US troops entered the country, massacres of Indians were arranged, who were considered potential rebels. 1966 - military assistance to the pro-American governments of Indonesia and the Philippines. ... (60,000 people were arrested for political reasons, 88 torture specialists officially worked under the government). 1971-1973 - bombing of Laos. 1972 - Nicaragua. American troops are brought in to support the government, beneficial to Washington. 1983 - military intervention in Grenada, about 2 thousand marines. 1986 - attack on Libya. Bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi. 1988 - US invasion of Honduras 1988 - The USS Vincennes, which was in the Persian Gulf, shot down an Iranian plane with 290 passengers on board, including 57 children. 1989 - US troops quell riots in the Virgin Islands. 1991 - large-scale military action against Iraq 1992-1994 - occupation of Somalia. Armed violence against civilians, killings of civilians. 1998 - Sudan. The Americans destroy a pharmaceutical plant with missiles, claiming that it produces nerve gas. 1999 - ignoring the norms of international law, bypassing the UN and the Security Council, the United States launched a 78-day air bombardment campaign by NATO forces against the sovereign state of Yugoslavia. 2001 - invasion of Afghanistan. 2003 - bombing of Iraq. 2011 - Libya. 2014 Syria US and allied invasion of Syria 2015 Yemen US missile strikes on Yemeni Houthi rebel positions and active support for the intervention of Saudi Arabia and its allies in Yemen 2015 Cameroon US military operation in Cameroon 2015 Libya Second intervention in Libya And now America is financing a Ukrainian army with which to attempt to destroy the integrity of the Russian Federation.
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  13102.  @majorrgeek  Well, I wouldn't worry too much then. Putin is getting on in years and I daresay his younger replacement will see the light. Putin is, of course, an Eastern potentate not a Western liberal and the behaviour you categorise in such detail is only to be expected of him. Most Russians over the age of forty or so would expect nothing less. In the meantime though there's a war going on and people are dying. To suggest that this is simply because Putin and the oligarchs are protecting their interests from the contamination of Western democracy really is a bit of a stretch though. Ukraine is an oligarchy too, don't forget and Zelensky is an oligarch's pawn - although he does seem to have got ideas above his station at this point. You're right though in that money is at the centre of this dreadful business . The vast mineral wealth of Donbass is what is being fought over, and it's a bone Putin doesn't want to give up to the other big dog - namely America. America, of course, conceals its rapacity behind the smokescreen of "freedom and democracy", but wars are just business opportunities to those who pull the string behind the scenes. They are to blame because of their insidious infiltration of Ukraine's oligarchy. Their man Poroshenko, don''t forget, banned the export of coal from Donbass and then bought it up himself on the sly before selling it in Kiev, pretending it came from Mexico. This is gold star behaviour in the eyes of any self-respecting capitalist entrepreneur. Kolomoisky, the oligarch who selected Zelensky as his front man, seems to be on the way out now. He once owned a good chunk of the US steel industry and half of downtown Cleveland and of course was a major contributor to the finances of a senior American crook, name of Joe Biden. Putin is now what he always has been - a bent cop, but he has kept control of a very volatile situation, and in the meantime has ensured a level of prosperity for ordinary Russians which they have never enjoyed before. Whether things improve even further after his departure remains to be seen, but the more immediate problem is bringing an end to this war, which can only be achieved by conceding to Putin's entirely reasonable and pragmatic solutions to the problems which doubtless exist, and which are not at all of his making.
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  13104.  @majorrgeek  You are being both idealistic and optimistic, and not a little naive. Nothing is ever set in stone and I would be more inclined to consider Germany's reluctance to supply tanks and to examine the actual nature of the armaments being offered. It is a mishmash of old junk in many respects and to expect a thoroughly depleted army to incorporate it into a coherent battle plan while under fire is asking a great deal. I repeat: the sanctions and the asset seizures are being adequately dealt with by Russia. Putin is far from being a fool and Lavrov is a near genius, and all measures taken were anticipated literally years ago, and counter-measures installed. The creation of a NATO army in Ukraine was provocation enough. You must try to understand the unique relationship Russia has with Ukraine. Poland and Latvia etc etc joining NATO is a source of irritation, but to have "Little Russia" signing up with the enemy is a gross insult which cannot be tolerated. And this is of course greatly exacerbated by the fact that its new army was clearly created with the express purpose of defeating Russia in war. Not only can Russia win this war, it probably will whatever some arbitrary Chinaman says. Putin is far from crazy. He is entirely sane and coldly calculating in all his decisions. In order for Ukraine to win, Europe will have to cripple itself, and that isn't going to happen. Germany, France, Hungary and Croatia are already jumping ship. Putin has considerable support at home. While it is true that there are many privileged younger people who look to the wonders of Western civilisation with envy, older people who remember the horrors of communism and the chaos of its collapse look upon Putin as their saviour. They are enjoying unparalleled prosperity and comfort. Russia on its own cannot out bid and outperform America on the world stage, but allied with the other BRICS countries and the twenty or so other developing economies who wish to join this coalition it will, I believe, emerge from this conflict stronger than before while America degenerates. All empires die. Russia has found this out for itself and the American empire too will follow this inescapable historical imperative, perhaps even sooner than we might imagine possible.
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  13105.  @majorrgeek  You are wrong on so many levels, starting with the rouble which is now stronger against the dollar than it was before the war started. It isn't crashing at all. Where DO you get your information from? Millions of barrels of oil and millions of cubic yards of gas are leaving Russia every day. China and India are buying them at discount, but making up for the price by supplying Russia with technology and materials under the counter - much of it originating in Europe and America anyway. It's called the black market and it supports the Russian economy more than the official figures which academic economists shake their heads over. A rather amusing side note is than India is processing the Russian crude and selling it on. American and European trucks are running on diesel originating in Russia. Why do all you political and historical illiterates keep banging on about Hitler? All Hitler and Putin have in common is that they are strong leaders, but Putin relies on power of intellect, not charisma. If you're looking for a charismatic modern leader who has led his country into a disastrous war, you need look no further than Zelensky. Hitler of course finished up committing suicide in his bunker as Russian bombs fell around his head. I wonder what Zelensky's fate will be? On then to mutton-headed liberals favourite buzzword -fascism. Turn your attention from Russia which lost ten million men fighting it, and look instead to Ukraine where at about the same time the police and the populace joyfully assisted the Nazis in executing the country's Jews, cheering in the streets as Ukrainian police and soldiers herded tens of thousands of their neighbours into the gorge at Babi Yar and the machine-guns of Mariupol. Putin may be a modern day Tsar, but he is nothing so common as a fascist. Since you want to play predictions, I will join the game. Russia will re-invade very soon and cut the beleaguered Ukrainian army's supply lines. Even if the West fulfils its promises and sends in its bits and pieces they will be of little use, since the Ukrainians won't be able to move them anywhere. The war will either drag on and on or someone in Ukraine will have the sense to get rid of Zelensky and start talking to Putin like a grown-up. When it finally is over both America and Europe will be economically crippled, or at least in severe recession, while Russia, partnering with China, India, the Middle East, the Pacific rim, South Africa, Brazil and a host of other nations sick of American bullying - will emerge stronger than ever before and ready to play a part in a multipolar world, free hopefully forever from the crushing restraints of monopolar, globalist Western hegemony.
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  13106.  @majorrgeek  In fact over the summer the rouble was the BEST performing currency in the world and even today you get less roubles for your dollar than a year ago when the exchange rate was 74.789. Not my definition of "plummeting." The sanctions are causing minor inconvenience, that's all, and even these are being circumvented. Russia is self-reliant in food and energy and issues such as spare parts for cars and agricultural machinery are overcome by smuggling or, increasingly by ersatz manufacture. Apart from that all you have to go on is gloomy prediction. GDP is only one feature of a nations economic strength but, like stock movements, is more of an indication of investment performance than reflecting the actual health of a nation. As for predictions, Russia predicts that its rate of inflation will drop to below that of most European countries and even America within the next six months. We will, as ever, just have to see. Rather than address your rant point by point I will simply make a general observation. Western commentators and "experts" have this narcissistic habit of predicting what Russia is going to do, and when it doesn't do it.to accuse it of failure. You have no idea of what Russia is up to, or what its strategies are. All one can say with any certainty is that Russia has long been aware of America's plans to destroy it, and has taken steps to prevent this. I am not myself Russian, as you seem to think, but I believe Russia has every right to defend itself against globalist imperialism and I sincerely hope it succeeds in its efforts.
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  13107.  @majorrgeek  You are merely repeating yourself at great length. I will repeat myself, but more succinctly. The rouble is not crashing, nor will it. Its value is now higher than it was before the invasion. The supply of chips and other technological components is being largely maintained through black market smuggling. The US and Europe are suffering the comebacks of the sanctions as much as Russia is suffering directly from them. Europe is having to pay three times as much for imported American LPG as it was for Russian gas. America is having to print money by the billion to re-inflate its sagging economy, and is degenerating morally within. It's young people, starved of education and brainwashed into false ideologies, are clearly incompetent to govern when their turn arrives. Look at the decay of cities in California and other Democrat run semi anarchist cities elsewhere. Look at the sprawling urban decay of Detroit. Look at anarchist riots, setting whole neighbourhoods ablaze. Look at these things and you see the future of America - a classic example of an empire poised for collapse and unaware or unwilling to recognise its inevitable fate. Its acolyte states will feel the effects of this coming apocalypse too, and they will rebel. NATO will collapse as it is realised that this "purely defensive coalition" is merely a vehicle for American aggrandisement. They will see how India, China and other nations in the East continue to prosper while America falters. They will see too how Russia has stood up to America's attempts to destroy it and emerged bruised but triumphant. They will realise that the tide of history has turned and that the 21st century is the century in which the monolithic ambitions of a deceitful nation have resulted in its destruction.
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  13259.  @teddansonLA  Working from the bottom up: This winter has been no worse than many previous winters in terms of deaths. The five year average is just a very small window, and you only have to go back to 2003 to find a similar death rate (10.2 per 1,000). In the previous century this death rate was exceeded very many times. In 2020, of course, we suffered the equivalent of TWO winter death rates when Covid 19 first hit the vulnerable population in the Spring. The point is that the chief problem with this disease is the very severe effects its novelty creates in a proportion of victims. Reasonably healthy young and middle-aged people can go through a very bad time. They are unlikely to die, but their suffering will be considerable. This is why it is essential to ensure ICU units are capable of being properly staffed in the event of Covid 19 becoming the main respiratory infection next winter. I dispute that death rates show a direct correlation with infection rates to the degree you suggest. The death rate from Covid 19 depends as much upon the number of people available to die as it does the amount of infections. Since the inefficiency of PCR testing makes the latter figure impossible to accurately estimate all we have to go on is the number of people who actually die and whom doctors judge Covid 19 to have been the underlying cause. This is around 80% of the number of people to die within 28 days of a positive test. A very detailed study published via the Lancet at the height of the pandemic concluded that lockdowns have no effects upon death rates. Subsequent studies have supported this conclusion, the latest being a peer reviewed study from Stanford. There is much confusion between IFR and Case Fatality Rate, as well as various other fatality rates which depend upon a variety of statistical inputs. The point is that the disease is highly selective in whom it kills. There are even some suggestions that lockdowns can actually INCREASE fatality rates, since the vulnerable elderly and frail can find themselves in social situations where they have increasing contact with potentially infectious younger people.
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  13266.  @teddansonLA  Alas, we must agree to differ. I think it is possible that the simple cause and effect model you rely on is overly crude, and lends itself too readily to a process of continual self justification. Anyway, I personally can't see the dramatic consequences you claim. The fluctuating death and infection rates could just as easily be the result of the natural progression of the disease. The maths in the paper I sent you are of course completely beyond me but the tools they use seem a tad more sophisticated. It is no surprise to me that their models postulate that freedom of contact among healthy under sixties would result in a sufficient approximation of HIT to reduce the risks to the more elderly and vulnerable. For this reason the alleged uncouth behaviour of the Brits as opposed to the sober Swedes is of no great relevance. Belarus, for example, has imposed very few restrictions and their death and infection rates are in no way remarkable. Even Florida, with a very large elderly population has abandoned lockdowns and masks and appears to be doing no better or worse than states where severe restrictions continue to be imposed. The disaster of Covid 19 isn't such a disaster when you step back from it. It is a culling disease and almost without exception those who have died had a very short life expectancy anyway. The other major impact - severe symptoms among some otherwise healthy people - continue to be addressed by the therapeutic treatments which are constantly being devised. Vaccines should ensure infections are kept to a minimum and herd immunity must surely be very near. Constant lockdowns are an hysterical over-reaction and, at best, only put off the inevitable and may very probably make the inevitable worse when it does arrive. And this is apart from the incredible damage they undeniably do to economies, livelihoods and, indeed, general health. There will hopefully be a full investigation into how we have handled the pandemic when it is all over. The debate will doubtless continue but I for one hope that the next time something similar happens we will deal with it in a more restrained and thoughtful manner.
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  13307.  @Godhelpus62  There are so many errors in what you have just said that I scarcely know where to begin. Hydroxychroquine in combination with zinc and an antibiotic has a proven track record for saving the lives of vulnerable Covid 19 patients if administered soon enough and in the correct dosage. Details of this will be found in the video and accompanying documentation below,. As far as I am aware no country has banned it. It has been in existence for almost seventy years and is used worldwide as a treatment for malaria and other conditions. If Trump is pushing it for financial reasons he is a fool (and he isn't). The patent ran out decades ago and it is now made by companies all over the world. It is so "valuable" that one company is offering 100million doses for free. You can buy it in the US for $37.50 per hundred and since the recommended dose is two A WEEK that will last you a year. near enough. Not exactly a money-spinner is it? Big pharma would much rather you were forced to buy a new wonder drug at $2,000 a shot. And Trump is being remarkably circumspect about the drug. He takes it himself and he says so. Doctors tell him it saves patients lives, and it does. That's it. Not exactly a multi-million dollar advertising campaign. is it? Having a randomized double blind placebo controlled study is all very well and sounds very posh and clever, but in the meantime doctors will continue using this treatment, saving lives every day as they do so. We can only hope that more of them follow this example as the facts currently being suppressed emerge. Watch the video and read the articles and scientific studies if you have the time and competence to do so. Then sit back and wonder why you have been brainwashed to the extent you so obviously have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xqCg12rOPM
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  13434.  @oliCRF  I'm neither Russian nor a bot. I am British and very much concerned about the future of my children and grandchildren. Yes, the case is very reasonable. At the centre of the conflict are the vast mineral resources of Eastern Ukraine, estimated as being worth at least $13 trillion and possibly even more. These resources have been developed almost exclusively by Russian investment and Russian labour. Even after Ukrainian independence they have continued to be largely operated by Russian companies with their products and profits largely passing through Russian hands. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Western entities, both public and private, have sought access to these resources through various means. Matters came to a head with the likelihood of Ukraine joining the EU, which would effectively have prevented Russia continuing to enjoy the benefits of its mining operations in Eastern Ukraine. They would have passed onto Western control, probably through being nationalised and their immense assets being handled by investment managers, such as Blackrock. A compromise was agreed upon in 2015 whereby Ukraine agreed to find a way to grant regional autonomy to the two oblasts in Donbass thus excluding their resources from the restrictions of EU membership. Ukraine did not proceed with this plan, and instead accepted several billion dollars from the US and other NATO countries with which to train and re-equip its army. Russia, believing this army to have been created to attempt to-retake those parts of Donbass held by separatists, invaded Ukraine with the purpose of destroying this army and extending the areas of Eastern Ukraine under its control. The above is far from being a soundbite, I realise, but soundbites don't make for reasoned assessment of complex situations.
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  13539. RapidlyTiltingPlanet Ceres is the site operated by father and son team Michael and Ronan Connolly of Dublin. They have no connection whatsoever with the oil industry. They are ecologists who earn their living by designing and building eco-friendly homes and other structures and providing expert advice to the fishing industry among other things. Both are left-wing, especially Ronan. They wanted to check out AGW by studying data from weather balloons, rather than relying on computer models using laboratory simulations of the atmosphere as a basis. They couldn't get a grant so they went it alone. What their study has apparently revealed shocked them both. They want to be proved wrong. The three-part study "A New Look at the Physics of Earth's Atmosphere" can be found at ronanconnolly.science.wordpress.com It is an ongoing study and comments and criticisms are invited. The study you invited me to read I found less than impressive. Trying to "localise" the Medieval Warm Period etc by using a mass of disputable proxy data , disputably analized and assessed doesn't cut the mustard I'm afraid. Are all the other studies like this, only bigger? When Michael Mann agrees to release the proxy data he used in his study, and the methods he used to assess it, then these other studies, presumably just rehashes of his, might be worth a look. Badmouthing the likes of Soon and even Monckton doesn't impress me either. Compared with the likes of Mann and Hansen they are angels of purity upon the earth. As for Skeptical Science is very name is Newspeak straight out of 1984. The few articles I have managed to plough through showed no signs of skepticism whatsoever. They toe the party line with apparatchik devotion as far as I can tell. The oil industry backs AGW up to the hilt by the way. They're making millions and preparing for the future by playing the carbon futures market and investing in subsidised green industries.
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  13677.  @ascgazz  I suspected I was talking to a fellow Brit. Hullo there! The US Presidency isn't a talent contest. As I explained in my previous post, Trump's suitability consists not in what he is, but in what he is not. Oddly enough, like you, I began by taking in the wholesale denigration of this odd character. It took me two years of gradually increasing doubt to begin to see what this witch-hunt was all about. Trump is a steep hill to climb. I perhaps suffer from the enthusiasm of the convert, but I do not see Trump as an especially virtuous person. He is cunning and versatile, egotistical and narcissistic, but his heart is in the right place. He is genuinely patriotic. He is basically just an ordinary Joe who happened to be born into billions and has behaved more or less as most other ordinary Joes would have done in that position. More to the point we come back to those things which he is not. He is not a racist. He is not a warmonger. As to this insurrection, one thing which makes me sure that my views on this are correct is that if I voiced my true opinions this post would be deleted. As to Boris - yes, I did vote for him. I misjudged him much as I misjudged Trump by uncritically accepting so-called expert opinion. Boris really is a tosser. And yes, you've got me right. I do suspect that AGW is a hoax - or more specifically a very clever con-trick. Once again, my views are coloured by the vast amount of propaganda trying to convince me otherwise. That and the fact that none of the predictions are coming true, of course.
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  13705.  @Master_Petes_Theater  The analogy with Hitler doesn't stand up. Hitler was in his forties and had been in power for only three years before he started to expand. Putin is nearly 70 and has been in power for more than twenty years during which time he has merely slapped down rebellions in Chechnya and Georgia, neither of which attracted the attention this one has, for some reason. Putin may well lament the loss of Soviet territories, but he is also on record as saying it would be foolish and impractical to try to recapture them. His actions over the years certainly support this. Putin didn't need to do much to stir up trouble in Crimea and Donbass. Both are predominantly Russian and many Ukrainians, with Stalinist atrocities in mind, hate Russians and and aren't afraid to show it. There was substantial separatist feeling before Putin sent in support. As for atrocities - well the Azov Battalion is proof enough that they have taken place. The recovery of Crimea has been greatly welcomed by the population, as far as can be judged. After all, it was only stapled on to Ukraine in 1954 for administrative reasons. The "what would you do if...?" question is as dangerous to rely upon as any superficial historical analogy. In this instance of course the part of the territory being claimed very much wants to be claimed and has only belonged to me for thirty years or so. I would probably be reluctant to surrender it at first, but would rapidly change my mind if threatened with destruction.
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  13796.  @therealitycheck287  Mask mandate and use efficacy for COVID-19 containment in US States Damian D. Guerra1,*, Daniel J. Guerra2 1Department of Biology, University of Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky, United States of America; 2Authentic Biochemistry, VerEvMed, Clarkston, Washington, United States of America Background: COVID-19 pandemic mitigation requires evidence-based strategies. Because COVID-19 can spread via respired droplets, most US states mandated mask use in public settings. Randomized control trials have not clearly demonstrated mask efficacy against respiratory viruses, and observational studies conflict on whether mask use predicts lower infection rates. We hypothesized that statewide mask mandates and mask use were associated with lower COVID-19 case growth rates in the United States. Methods: We calculated total COVID-19 case growth and mask use for the continental United States with data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. We estimated post-mask mandate case growth in non-mandate states using median issuance dates of neighboring states with mandates. Results: Earlier mask mandates were not associated with lower total cases or lower maximum growth rates. Earlier mandates were weakly associated with lower minimum COVID-19 growth rates. Mask use predicted lower minimum but not lower maximum growth rates. Growth rates and total growth were comparable between US states in the first and last mask use quintiles during the Fall-Winter wave. These observations persisted for both natural logarithmic and fold growth models and when adjusting for differences in US state population density. Conclusions: We did not observe association between mask mandates or use and reduced COVID-19 spread in US states. COVID-19 mitigation requires further research and use of existing efficacious strategies, most notably vaccination. Keywords: COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, face covering, medical mask, mask mandate, nonpharmaceutical intervention
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  14218.  @candidbowyer4625  The war is about Russia maintaining its territorial integrity and interests in the face of US fuelled expansionism, using NATO as a front. Ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, America has used the Russian Federation as the necessary enemy to keep its military industrial complex going. It has expanded NATO eastwards, despite earlier promises that it would not do so. The key to the present struggle though is the vast mineral wealth of the Donbass region. This was financed and developed by Russia, using Russian labour. The population of Donbass is roughly a third Russian, but in the industrial areas and cities the percentage is even higher. Like Russia, Ukraine is an oligarchy. As long as the Ukrainian oligarchs continued to channel the coal and steel and oil from Donbass through Russia, all was well. But then America stepped in and started making offers. Matters came to a head in 2014 when America manipulated concerns about Ukraine joining the EU to fuel riots which resulted in the Russian-leaning premier being replaced by an American-leaning one. It's all developed from there, as these things do. Russia fomented rebellions in Donbass which Ukraine tried to savagely repress. Thousands have died. Treaties were drawn up which were supposed to ease the situation but these were not adhered to and NATO used the breathing space to equip and train a large Ukrainian army. It became clear that this army was to be used to retake Donbass from the separatists and probably to try to retake Crimea from the Russians, but that's another story. In December 2022 Putin put forward a series of peace proposals which would have involved a promise by Ukraine not to join NATO, and recognition of the two Donbass regions as independent republics. They were rejected with scorn by Zelensky, on America's instructions. Russia then amassed a large army on the border and invited him to think again. He refused. "Bring it on," he said, more or less - and Russia did with the results we see today.
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  14382.  @dustigenes  As I pointed out: vaccinated or unvaccinated you can still be infectious, but if vaccinated the chances are you will be infectious for longer - or rather you will be unknowingly infectious for longer. For this and several other reasons it should be a matter of personal choice whether to be vaccinated or not. This isn't some kind of high-school football game between the vaxxed and unvaxxed. Either way you will be protecting yourself and others to varying unquantifiable degrees and each point of view should be respected. You can be ultra cautious, as you appear to be, or follow the example of Dennis Prager who, at 73, deliberately set out to catch covid, did so, knocked it on the head with a cocktail of palliative drugs, and is now both immune and part of the defensive wall against the spread of the disease to others. On the matter of masks I am, as you may suspect, something of a heretic. Their value is largely symbolic and unless of N95 standard, fitted properly, and worn more or less permanently they are of little practical value. Now that it has been discovered that covid is largely spread through aerosols rather than through droplets or hand contact this is even more the case. Masks have certainly helped kill quite large numbers of people due to over-reliance on their magical properties. People have sat together in enclosed spaces for lengths of time believing themselves to be protected by their masks when they would have been better off opening a window and putting a fan on. People who spend time in enclosed spaces while visited by a succession of other people have been especially vulnerable to death even if comparatively fit and young. Categories include bus drivers, university lecturers and those conducting interviews, such as probation officers. Follow the science, certainly but often the $cience has motives other than ensuring safety. Money and politics come into it too.
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  14476. Susi M I'm afraid I am going to have to disagree with much of what you say. For a start, how can we possibly assert that global temperatures have risen by 1.6c since 1880? There were no weather stations outside of America and Europe, apart from a handful in Australia. These stations all recorded considerably higher temperatures than today on many occasions in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.These records have now been obliterated or adjusted downwards. Even if we accept that they were somehow "unreliable" for one reason or another it still remains a fact that we have no records to compare today's records with. All the climate scientists have done is assume a trend based on what ought to happen and worked backwards from there. There is no evidence of any increase in the frequency or severity of extreme weather events. Once again, this is a made-up story designed to bolster the alarmist claims. Once again, data is being adjusted to fit the narrative, but the old, and true, narrative still exists. One can pick sources almost at random. The investment market and the insurance market have no reason to play down such threats that I can think of and most responsible studies show that, if anything, natural disasters have declined. It is unanswerably true that the loss of human life and reduction in GNP due to such causes is far, far less today than it has ever been. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/despite-what-you've-heard-global-warming-isn't-making-weather-more-extreme/ This 99% peer- reviewed nonsense is just a cheap trick to fool the unwary. As I say, I don't think this bloke was being political. He was just saying things as he saw them
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  14480. Susi M Oh dear, you have swallowed the partly line, haven't you? The scientists producing the papers I mentioned are all highly qualified, to at least Masters and many to Phd level. There is actually no such thing as climate science. It is an amalgamation of other disciplines. You mentioned that Jennifer Marohasy is a biologist. You reaiise, don't you, that much of the "evidence" climate science uses comes from proxy data derived from biological sources: tree rings, mollusc shells and so on? Climate science would do well to recruit more biologists to its ranks to prevent it from misinterpreting this data in such a crude fashion. They could do with a few more statisticians and solar physicists as well. To describe renewable energies as "fledgling" is utterly laughable. Literally billions of dollars are being poured into their development and they are subsidised up to the hilt. The fossil fuel industry isn't at war with green industry, it is largely financing it. A considerable number of delegates to COP25 were from the fossil fuel industry, you know. One of the reasons it broke up was because the oil men and the hedge-fund types couldn't agree on how to dvvi up the chocolate cakes. If the fossil fuel industry is so determined to undermine AGW why does it make such a bad job of it? Who do you think pays for all the expensive videos and scientific studies promoting the AGW creed? Governments and investors will continue to profit from fossil fuels and they will add to their profits and incomes by promoting green industries too. The climate crisis is a racket. Greta Thunberg is a prime example of how that racket operates, Your good nature is being taken advantage of.
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  14735.  @sakha2349  We are both providing versions of the truth. The difference is one of emphasis. Prior to the Zionist movement the whole area of what became "Palestine" (a name invented by British map-makers with a classical education) was a thoroughly neglected part of the already crumbling Ottoman empire and very underpopulated. No more than a million people and perhaps even half of that lived there, according to most estimates. Jews , Arabs, Christians and others inhabited the few small cities that there were, while the countryside contained run-down villages and pasture utilised by tribes of wandering Arab herdsmen. The Zionists bought parcels of land from their Ottoman owners and within a few decades large numbers of Arabs arrived from neighbouring countries to take advantage of the new farming methods and modern systems of irrigation and organisation introduced by the Zionists. The two World Wars disrupted this process greatly and by the time the survivors of the Holocaust began to arrive in large numbers much of the land was occupied by Arabs. This led to conflict and tragedy, the consequences of which are still with us. It is not true to claim, however, that the Jews "stole" the land from the Arabs. Neither is it true to say that a country called Palestine existed in any meaningful sense of the word. Israel, however, did come to exist. History is written by the victors, but in this instance no victor has yet emerged. Personally I think the fact that the conflict has gone on for so long is mainly due to the intractability of a succession of Arab leaders whose behaviour has been guided by religious conviction, rather than a pragmatic desire to create a prosperous nation state where people can live together in harmony.
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  14828.  @ВадимСтецюра-й7о  I really don't think Russia wants to rule Ukraine. It would be letting itself for years of civil strife. It will be content with Donbass and Crimea where at least a good portion of the population are of Russian ancestry and prefer to look to Moscow than Kiev for support and governance. I think you are naive if you don't realise that this war is of America's doing. Your country, like Russia, has been in the hands of oligarchs ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Some have formed alliances with Russia, and some with America. Ukraine is a honeypot for both of these evil empires and America has, I think, gone too far in both pushing for membership of NATO and in supporting the war against the Donbass separatists. Many American crooks and politicians (often the same thing) have huge financial interests in your country and alliances with your own crooks and politicians. Zelensky himself is (or was) the creature of Kolomoisky who cleverly engineered his election and who launders his ill-gotten gains in the US and who has several very prominent American politicians in his pocket. Ukraine's entirely understandable desire to escape its often unhappy past and become a liberal democracy, with less corruption, has been harnessed by dark forces whose motives are entirely financial. This is the way of the world, but none of this is sufficient to plunge a country into a bloody and destructive war. Compromise is possible. It needn't necessarily mean Ukraine becoming another Belarus either. Putin is eminently pragmatic and I am sure he would be content with Donbass as a buffer state while allowing Ukraine to go its own way as long as it stays out of NATO.
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  14916.  @KK-qi6mt  The outcomes you predict are possible, although not probable. The reasons for this war are principally commercial, as is the case with most wars. They centre upon the vast mineral wealth of Donbass where there is coal, iron, gas, oil, lithium and other rare and costly metals. America wants these and Russia- which discovered and exploited them, is reluctant to give them up. The results of the war depend almost entirely upon how much money America and its allies are prepared to spend on continually re-arming Ukraine. I think they are already throwing good money after bad, and know it. Russia has no wish to take the whole of Ukraine. Putin knows this will mean a permanent and costly civil war. He just wants Donbass and Crimea. It is impossible, really, to say how much objection there is to the war among the mass of the Russian people. I tend to think not much. Younger people in the larger cities, students and so on, resent it and the high casualty rate does not go down well but when you start to analyse these numbers they are only a relatively small percentage of the country as a whole. The war so far has largely been about reducing Ukraine's army. After the Maidan unrest of 2014 the West spent billions on creating a new, large Ukrainian army. To Russia it was clear that this army was intended to be used to retake Crimea and Donbass. It therefore launched a "special operation" aimed at destroying this army, whatever the cost. This has now been largely achieved and round two has begun. So far Russia has thrown mainly inexperienced troops and ancient equipment into the fray. What reserves it has one cannot say, but I suspect they are considerable. I predict a very heavy bombardment soon, followed by a mass invasion of at least 500,000 men. If Ukraine does not surrender Russia will seek to take and hold much of Eastern and Southern Ukraine and to defend it against all comers.
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  15029.  @avoidconfusion  Why not? It's the simplest way and the one less likely to invite censorship. My sources are several too. If you want a bit of help with this simple task I can give you the names of the principals concerned and you can check their biographies in Wikipedia or any other site you might regard as reputable. Viktor Medvedchuk, the leader of Opposition Platform – For Life, the second-largest party in the country’s parliament, was detained by security officials earlier this year on charges of conspiring with Moscow to disrupt coal supplies to Ukraine from South Africa in 2014. He has now been given bail but remains under house arrest awaiting trial. Victor Porochenko, the PM before Zelensky, and who we see on TV looking all manly and supportive in his flak jacket, arrived back in Ukraine shortly before the war to answer charges relating to the coal scam plus a few other bits and pieces which, if he is found guilty could lead to 15 years in prison. Viktor Yanukovych, PM until 2014, is currently in exile in Russia having been found guilty in his absence of mass murder, among many other things. I would have thought the other matters were easy enough. Zelensky closes TV stations will get you immediate results as will "corruption in Ukraine". The prisoner business is a little more difficult since anything directly detrimental to the sainted comedian is getting airbrushed out of history. I've tried to send direct links and key words but the YouTube algorithm has me beat Therefore I append this article in full from the journal of the Kharkiv Human Rights Group 03/09/21. If there is any other help I can give you feel free to ask. (No. It's being blocked. Will try to get something through in another post.)
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  15030.  @avoidconfusion  Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has issued a decree envisaging the possibility of pardons for people convicted of corruption and drunken driving, while failing to address any of the critical failings of the present system for presidential pardons. This is despite the ongoing absence in Ukraine of any system of judicial review in the case of people serving life sentences for crimes they probably did not commit. It is two years since human rights NGOs turned to Zelensky asking him to pardon Volodymyr Panasenko, who has already spent 16 years in prison although nobody ever believed that he was guilty. He remains imprisoned, as to many other life prisoners whose sentences also arouse very serious concern. Oleksandr Pavlichenko, Executive Director of the Ukrainian Helsinki Human Rights Union (and one of the authors of the appeal regarding Panasenko) has expressed his frustration regarding the Decree on Amendments to Provisions on Pardons, issued on 20 August 2021. The amendments do not remove any of the major flaws, which he, as a member of the Commission on Pardons, has seen first-hand. There remains no clear methodology nor regulation of the work of the Commission and its members. There are no regular meetings, and it is at the discretion of the Chair of the Commission that a meeting is called. Pavlichenko notes that in 2020, the Commission met only twice, without passing any real decisions. There has yet to be any consideration of applications submitted between June 2020 and the beginning of September this year. There need to be clear time frameworks, and applicants also need to know what to do if they receive a rejection. As mentioned, the amendments envisage pardons in the case of people convicted of corruption; of road offences; and of driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics. It should be noted that there are some restrictions on this, with the decree stipulating that such a pardon may only occur after a person has served the part of the sentence needed to apply for release on parole. In the case of a corruption offence, this is, according to Article 81 § 3 of Ukraine’s Criminal Code, at least two thirds of the sentence. The same applies in the case of an particularly grave crime committed by accident. For other crimes up to medium severity, and for an accidental grave crime, a pardon (or early reason) can be applied for after a person has served only half of the sentence. It would depend on the charges that a person was convicted of, however this would presumably mean that a person who killed somebody while drunk could hope for a pardon either after half or after two thirds of the sentence. This is in marked contrast to the present situation regarding life prisoners, which the decree has not even tried to address. Pavlichenko explains that any applications for a pardon are rejected on the grounds of the gravity of the crime. This has been the case up till now and is unaffected by the new decree. In Ukraine at present a life sentence really does mean life behind bars. One of numerous problems with such sentences is that there is little consistency as to who is sentenced to life imprisonment, who to 15 years, or less. This already makes the argument that specifically life prisoners should be deprived of the chance of a pardon fundamentally flawed. There are other, even more compelling, reasons for rejecting such an argument. Ukraine took an important step forward in 2012 with a revised Code of Criminal Procedure which specifically prohibits the use in court of evidence obtained through torture, where the person was deprived of his right to a lawyer, etc. This was the only positive move with respect to the justice system under ex-President Viktor Yanukovych who almost immediately removed most of the powers of the Supreme Court, including its right to review criminal cases under extraordinary procedure. Such procedure had enabled review of a conviction in cases where there had been violations of material or procedural law, for example, where evidence had been fabricated or falsified. Ukraine’s legislators have had ample opportunity to rectify this situation since the first bill was tabled in parliament in 2015 yet have failed to do so. There are a significant number of people, including life prisoners, who were arrested and tried before 2012 and whose convictions give serious grounds for concern. In some cases, it seems very likely that the person is totally innocent, in others, that the life sentence passed was disproportionate to the crime committed. It is for the court to decide in each case whether a miscarriage of justice has taken place, not for journalists, yet the courts in Ukraine now have no mechanism for doing this, and legislators are in no hurry to resolve the situation. Given the disinformation campaigns that accompany every attempt to get legislation passed that would provide the strictly regulated opportunity for judicial review, it seems very likely that the resistance is coming from high places. The reasons are not difficult to guess. Such judicial reviews must identify those who took part in torturing people for a ‘confession’ or in falsifying evidence, as well as prosecutors and judges who turned a blind eye to clear irregularities. While a Presidential pardon might be the answer where a person received a disproportionately harsh sentence, a judicial review would, in theory, be preferable to a pardon in the case of men like Panasenko who should probably never have been convicted at all. That is, however theory when men have been imprisoned for 20 years or more. Yaroslav Mysyak On the day of Zelensky’s meeting with US President Joe Biden, the International Religious Freedom Roundtable addressed a public appeal to President Biden asking him to intercede on behalf of one of the Ukrainian life prisoners whose guilt is in serious doubt. Youth Pastor Yaroslav Mysyak has been imprisoned since 1999 after he was accused of killing his grandparents and uncle. There are very serious grounds for believing that his conviction was on the basis of a ‘confession’ that he was tortured into giving. The letter and its many signatories can be found (in the enclosure) here. Volodymyr Panasenko As mentioned, the case of Volodymyr Panasenko is particularly shocking in that nobody ever believed he was guilty. Those who have spoken of a grave miscarriage of justice have included Ukraine’s first President Leonid Kravchuk and first Human Rights Ombudsperson Nina Karpachova, as well as prominent human rights lawyers and NGOs. See: Ukraine’s most malicious miscarriage of justice Maxim Orlov There a clear need for judicial review of the life sentence against Maxim Orlov who was 21 when arrested in May 2009, after the police discovered the bodies of an elderly couple in the town of Taromske, on the outskirts of Dnipro. His life sentence appears to have been because the police initially seized 14-year-old Oleksandr Kozlov who had, together with his mother, done gardening work for the couple the morning before their brutal murder. Since he was of slight build, the police needed him to have had an accomplice. Kozlov, who was legally still a child, was interrogated alone, without a lawyer although the fact that the crime was one that can carry a life sentence meant that the presence of a lawyer was mandatory. He ‘confessed’ under torture to the killing and said that he had committed it with Orlov. See: Maxim Orlov - zero evidence but sentenced to life for good statistics Mykola Slyvotsky 22 and a young father when arrested in 2003, Mykola Slyvotsky has now spent 18 years in prison, with no end in sight. His case is of concern, not only because of his consistent assertion that he signed a ‘confession’ under torture and the threat that the ‘investigators’ would bring his wife and mother in and do the same to them. Without any other evidence, he was convicted of two murders although another man had already confessed to one of the crimes and had given detailed information about how the crime had been committed, what the victim had been wearing, etc. See: Life sentence for a crime somebody else admitted to The list could be continued, except that for some any justice will be posthumous. Oleksandr Rafalskyy [or Rafalsky] died in the Lukyanivsk SIZO [remand prison] on 20 October 2016, aged just 46. He had spent 15 years imprisoned despite strong grounds for believing that all ‘confessions’ in the case had been extracted through torture, as well as other concerns. On 27 May 2021, the European Court of Human Rights (in the Case of Debelyy and Others v. Ukraine) found that there had been a violation of the European Convention’s prohibition of torture (Article 3) through the use of police torture and lack of effective investigation into it (details here).
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  15090.  @accc9090  Newspapers tell lies; now more than ever before. I was a journalist myself for thirty years and saw standards drop. They are even lower now. Back in the day the joke was "never let the facts interfere with a good story." Bad enough, but now the deceptions are often politically motivated. I have gone to a few primary sources as you suggested and - as I expected - all the "might", "may be" and "scientists fear that" stories you have presumably read all have very shaky foundations. The simple and obvious fact is that we are at too early a stage to predict long term outcomes. That is not to say that there won't be any. There certainly will. Influenza, for instance often has severe long term effects. Reduced lung function persists in the majority of cases, Crippling depression and exhaustion can persist not just for months, but years. There is considerable evidence that schitzophrenia can result in later years in people whose mothers had the flu while pregnant. It has been cited as a cause of Parkinson's disease in later life. It is important to remember that all these things - and indeed the symptoms themselves - are not actually caused by the virus itself, but by our bodies' reactions to the invasion. This is why prophylactic precautions are just as important, if not more so than trying to keep the disease at bay by wearing a shred of cloth on your face. I have evidence for everything I say. When I speculate I make it clear. I am afraid that propagandists posing as journalists you have read in publications such as the Guardian do not adhere to these standards.
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  15091.  @Paul-eb2cl  It's pointless arguing In fact doctors often have great difficulty in determining the cause of death when a number of factors is present, but they are told in a pandemic to include the pandemic disease on the certificate if they have any suspicion that it may have been present. In the case you mention the doctor, if he was doing his job, would have put the cause of death as myocardial infarction, but included on the certificate that Covid 19 was present. That death would have been entered as coronavirus related and would have appeared in the daily "death toll" figure. This injunction was made very shortly after the outbreak was discovered and it is false to suggest that deaths in care homes would not have had coronavirus entered as possibly present on their death certificate, and thus they too would have appeared in the official figures. No test would have been necessary. The fact the deceased was running a temperature and was coughing would have been enough. All this suggests that the actual number of deaths attributable to Covid 19 are probably LESS than the official figure, but it seems churlish to argue the point. What interests me more is why people find it necessary to exaggerate and amplify a situation which is bad enough as it is. This mindset seems to occur in people who have some deep inner need to take as many precautions as possible, to regulate as much as possible, to find someone to blame and to try to apply rules of juristiction to what is a manifestation of cruel nature, rather than any fault of man.
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  15381.  @m0dulo258  That's because it wasn't a fair election. Trump has emerged as an unexpected obstacle to the plans of the New World Order ( a slight inconvenience, in the words of George Soros) and has had to be disposed of. The billionaire elitists who run the NWO have applied Soros' techniques as outlined in his marvellous, clever book "The Alchemy of Finance" to directing the dismantling of capitalism and to replacing it with a new economic structure which utilises many aspects of Marxist and Leninist strategy, particularly the mobilisation of "useful idiots" such as yourself. The 2020 election was rigged in a variety of subtle ways, probably by elements within the secret services who have been rigging elections in foreign countries for decades, and know how to do these things. This has given the NWO four years to continue its restructuring programme. The shoeing in of a senile incompetent as President, economic damage through over-reaction to the pandemic, the taking on board of "green" policies with consequent economic damage, the importation of large numbers of foreign migrants and , more recently, clumsy foreign policy decisions, will combine to ensure the US passes into a state of ungovernable confusion concomitant with the state of anarchy required by Marxist/Leninism as a precursor to the institution of a single party state. You, unless you are culled, will own nothing and take no part in serious decision-taking processes, but you will be wonderfully happy. Only Trumpism stands in the way of this glorious future.
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  15424.  @darrellrees4371  Ah, an amateur psychiatrist as well as an incompetent logician, eh? The 5,000 suspect votes are merely the tip of the iceberg. There are hours and hours of testimony given to various state hearings after the election. They show, among other things, election workers surreptitiously passing memory sticks from hand to hand, vans arriving in the early hours and unloading crates of ballots with no chain of supervision, cases of ballots being dragged out from beneath tables after observers were told to leave because the count was over, Republican observers being denied access to counts and much more. Election officials can be seen demonstrating how Dominion voting machines can be configured to produce skewed results with a few simple manoeuvres. Statisticians detail the sheer mathematical unlikelihood of the results appearing in the manner that they did. I expect you get your view of the world from CNN or somesuch, so you will probably have seen edited highlights at most. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence which will never be allowed to undergo a process of true forensic examination. America is rotten to the core and this current administration is not only corrupt but in league with forces determined to reconstruct western civilisation in a new and dreadful image. Resistance is inevitable and, as I say, we can only hope that true democratic process can be restored before it is too late. Civil war is far from being an unlikely prospect as things stand.
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  15429.  @darrellrees4371  I resent the word "idolize". Like a great many Trump supporters I fully recognise his many personal faults and smile wryly at them. He may be a liar but we know when he lies and we don't care because he is not lying to us, he is lying to you. He may be a conman, but he has operated in the private sector and not been subsidised by the taxpayer, as have the crooks and charlatans who occupy Washington and state capitals across America. What you TDS sufferers do not realise is that it is YOU who have been conned: by the slavish establishment media. Trump is not a demon, he is in fact a pretty ordinary Joe who happens to have born with the advantages of great wealth and a considerable amount of innate cunning. He has utilised these advantages in ways in which many Americans recognise. He has done what many of them would have done, concluding by becoming President of the United States against all the odds. It is the American dream come true. They do not care about his spelling and syntax, especially those who have not undergone the process of Marxist indoctrination laughingly referred to as "higher education" in the US. We know plenty of people who don't read much but are still entirely pragmatic, capable and decent. Unlike many college graduates, to whom compliance and credulity have become essential concomitants of success, we question the official line. Always. This is why Trump warned that postal ballots and relaxation of signature verification, covid distancing etc would lead invariably to a crooked election he was merely stating everything we already knew. And he and we were right.
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  15434.  @darrellrees4371  More amateur psychiatry - and atypical brainwashed Faucist view of the pandemic. Masks, unless of N95 standard or above, close-fitting and worn at all times, are more or less totally useless at preventing the spread of covid. These "peer-reviewed studies" which pretend otherwise are lab-based fakes. You can buy these things by the yard. No responsible real-world study has been able to find any correlation. In fact masks are likely to have killed more people than they have saved since they induce a sense of false security. This is especially highlighted by the discovery that by far the majority of infections occur through aerosols, not droplets, much less surface contact. People have died through sitting in enclosed unventilated spaces, blithely imagining themselves to be safe because they were wearing their Magic Masks. Covid is only severe to a tiny proportion of the population; predominately the very elderly, although younger people with existing conditions, such as diabetes or obesity, are also at risk, The response to the pandemic has been utterly disproportionate. Far, far more people are dying because of the social and economic effects of the measures taken in attempts to contain the disease than from the disease itself. Once again there is no correlation between lockdowns and eventual case numbers. They merely put off the inevitable and then not for very long. You can find any number of graphs from any number of countries showing the progress of the disease and draw a line where lockdowns were introduced and you will be hard put to find an discernible effect other than a possible slowing down. The trends continue unabated. Sweden is of course the gold standard in this respect. Maskless, and with only limited restrictions in terms of minimising crowd sizes from time to time, it has fared no worse than other countries with similar demographic and a good deal better than some. As for Trump, I repeat I do not idolise him. He is very human with human failings but his responsibility for America's covid death toll is peripheral at most. He was right in many respects though. We should have met this head-on, assessed the risks intelligently and got on with life instead of hiding in corners like scared rats with bits of cloth on our faces.
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  15439.  @darrellrees4371  There is no link because I have done the work myself and have not made any record of it. It is, however, a comparatively simple task to Google Sweden Covid or UK Covid or Germany Covid and look at the case rate and then line up the dates at which such things as mask mandates and lockdowns were introduced and see what consequent reductions there may have been. I can find nothing dramatic at all. You might expect a sudden fall some 2 or 3 weeks after such mandates, but as far as I can see this simply do not happen. Whatever reductions there may be do not affect the curve to any great extent, and even if they flatten it slightly the effect seems to be minimal. Similarly, according to the logic of a mitigation policy, Sweden's relaxed attitude should surely have resulted in disastrous results. But this has not happened. Sweden's performance does not stand out in any way. Education , like geographical proximity has little or no bearing on how a country may respond to a pandemic. Sweden, unlike the other countries you choose to compare it with, has two quite large quite crowded cities with quite large immigrant populations. Unlike these other countries Sweden's impressive healthcare system has led to a build-up of frail elderly people who have escaped flu in the previous 2 or 3 seasons. As elsewhere, it is this category which has suffered by far the greatest proportion of deaths. This is what I mean by demographics. The point is that the AVAILABILITY of people to die is of far greater significance that any broad measures we may take to prevent anyone from doing so. I'm not quite sure what you mean by your last paragraph. Are you referring to the delta variant? If not, what?
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  15440.  @darrellrees4371  What are you on about? Can you really not function unless someone gives you a line of pretty blue writing on a plate with a ribbon round it? You really do need someone to hold your hand when you cross the road, don't you? I told you how I came to my conclusions so if you want to disagree you must do the same. So get on with it and stop trying to act smart. There was no surge of deaths in Sweden after April. The delta variant was absorbed far more readily than in many other countries. The decline in numbers from the winter peak plateaued for a few weeks with 37 deaths on April 1 and similar numbers until mid-May when death rates dropped to minimal with no deaths and single figure deaths on several subsequent days. Sweden continues to have an extremely low death rate compared with other countries with similar demographics. Your comments on vaccination and herd immunity are curious. Currently those countries (and US states)with the highest vaccination rates are experiencing the highest case and death rates. In some countries the vast majority of ICU patients and deaths occur among the fully vaccinated. This adds to the point I made in my previous post that the most significant factor is the number of people available to die, not the measures that are taken to mitigate spread. The situation is currently being exacerbated because people are wandering about imagining themselves to be protected whereas in fact the vaccine has worn off and they are infected, asymptomatic and spreading covid like wildfire. The lessening of symptoms in the healthy is to be welcomed but since vaccines are of very little benefit to those whose immune systems are badly compromised it could be argued that a high level of vaccination does as much harm as good .It may even be true (although this is as yet far from certain)that infection in people who have been vaccinated does not lead to the robust level of immunity which occurs among those who have become infected while not vaccinated. This would be an important factor in slowing the progress towards herd immunity, which is and always has been the only way covid will be beaten.
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  15441.  @darrellrees4371  Sometimes half measures can be worse than no measures at all. This applies to both masks and vaccinations. Only high standard mask, N95 and above, provide anything like real protection. Individual virions can pass through holes in the weave of cloth and cheap disposable masks 5,000 at a time, as can aerosols containing virions up to that number. Aerosols can escape from the sides in vast quantities. People have died through being in unventilated rooms imagining themselves to be protected. If wearing a mask makes someone feel safe, that's just fine - but to imagine they provide much protection to the wearer is untrue. They may indeed prevent someone who is unknowingly infected from passing the disease on, but even that is only a small chance. It remains a fact that medical opinion was firmly against the use of masks by the general public during flu epidemics, and indeed at the start of the covid pandemic. Nothing has changed. Airborne viruses continue to behave as they always have done. Masks are largely cosmetic- as indeed are peer-reviewed studies recommending their use. Many factors enter into death rates; to simply select one factor out of context is absurd. You must realise that. Why, for instance, has Singapore experienced a sharp increase in deaths in recent days? People haven't suddenly stopped wearing masks. As for lockdowns -I must just go on harping on about Sweden, I suppose. As for Australia and NZ it is probable that a very early lockdown works. But once the virus is in, it's in. Even the WHO states very firmly that lockdowns should only be used to gain time for health services to gear up. And all this of course is apart from the terrible effects they have on economies across the world. The same principle applies to vaccinations. Relying upon them is dangerous, as is clearly demonstrated by the fact that countries and states with high vaccination rates are experiencing high infection and death rates. Vaccines are only of very limited efficacy - and as to their possible long term effects, only time will tell.
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  15445.  @darrellrees4371  What nonsense. The lead signatories of the BA are all eminent epidemiologists and virologists who have nothing to gain financially from expressing their views. If you are referring to the financial sponsorship then perhaps you can tell me where this comes from, and what lies the backers (if any)have told and what relevance you think this may have to the present situation. As to your second point the following is the latest report from the Office of National Statistic in the UK, where I live: "The estimated number of reinfections in the UK between July 2020 and September 2021, is low overall (11.8 per 100,000 participant days at risk), and reinfections more likely to cause serious illness are even lower (5.5 per 100,000 participant days at risk). Between July 2020 and September 2021, the risk of reinfection was higher in the period after 17 May 2021 compared with the period before; this reflects a higher risk of reinfection during the period when the Delta variant of coronavirus (COVID-19) was the dominant strain. Participants who had a lower viral load in their initial infection were at a higher risk of reinfection compared with participants who had a higher viral load at their initial infection." As you can see this implies that infection creates a very high level of immunity to the original strain contracted, although there is a slight chance a victim may contract a new strain in a mild form. Either of the two infections, or both, will be mild. The percentages are in fact higher now than they were a few months ago when vaccination levels were lower. This may be purely the result of the delta variant but also leads to the somewhat worrying possibility that another major drawback to the vaccines is that they actually increase the chances of re-infection in those who have had them, as opposed to those who have not.
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  15612.  @itsJPhere  1. This is not disputed. There are any number of news articles about these approaches. The first was made by Gorbachev in 1990 and two more were later made by Yeltsin. Putin himself made an approach in the first year of his presidency. This was revealed by film-maker Oliver Stone consequent upon an interview with Putin, and later confirmed by the the then head of NATO who explained that Putin wanted to fast-track his application, and this was not permitted. Four opportunities for world peace, turned down by a belligerent, expansionist NATO. 2. Here is a list of invasions, coups, and interventions by NATO members since the break up of the Soviet Union. Iraq (twice) Rwanda Yugoslavia Nepal Afghanistan Liberia Ethiopia Guinea Bissau Philippines Venezuela Syria Iran Libya Colombia Haiti Ukraine Yemen Palestine 3. Yes, it is a free world and diplomats have the freedom to break their word. After the collapse of the Berlin Wall NATO was supposed to "move not one inch further eastward" - a famous quote from a senior American general and widely reported at the time. No formal declarations were made, but it was widely understood to be true by the Russians. Since then, of course, a further 13 countries have joined, all militarised and all clearly having belligerent intentions towards Russia. 4. I don't fully understand this question. I suppose you must be referring to Putin's intention of freeing Donbass from Ukrainian oppression, which was economic from 1991 onwards, and became military after Donetsk and Lugansk declared independence in 2014. 5 There are many Nazis in Ukraine. The Azov Battalion and other units in the Ukrainian armed forces unashamedly hold up Nazi Germany as their ideal, and wear Nazi regalia. They also have Nazi-style youth training camps in which the racial superiority of the Ukrainian people is taught. They are vehemently anti-Russian as well as anti-Semitic, but they have toned down their attitude in this regard following Zelensky's accession. On this subject you might want to look up a man called Ifor Kolomoisky, who engineered Zelensky's rise. 6. I don't know. Upbringing, I suppose. 7. NATO has everything to do with it, since if Ukraine joined NATO it could become a nuclear missile base within a seven-minute range of Moscow, thus allowing for a pre-emptive strike, crippling Russia before it had time to retaliate. 8. This has nothing to do with "good guys and bad guys". That is an entirely childish attitude, and one which you should put aside. It is about survival and conflict of interests. Sweden and Finland are in a very difficult position. By making moves to join NATO they could actually bring down on their heads the very thing they are trying to avoid. Having said that, however, they do not represent the same existential threat to Russia as Ukraine does, and nor do they have the same very close historical relationship.
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  15613.  @itsJPhere  1. Twenty years ago, as one of his first acts as President, Putin made an informal approach to join NATO. He was rejected. The situation has now changed radically. NATO has made its belligerent intentions clear by extending its membership since then. Russia is indeed not democratic by Western European definitions - but then neither is any country in Eastern Europe, including Ukraine. Whatever quibbles there may have been, there is little doubt that a golden opportunity was deliberately missed. 2. I merely point out that the US and its NATO allies have a far worse record than Russia when it comes to interfering with and invading other countries. 3. As I said, there is no evidence whatsoever that Russia has any belligerent intentions towards these countries. They have simply been bribed by the US into allowing them to become military encampments. 4. The people of Donbass and Crimea predominantly look to Russia. They were better off under the Soviet Union than has been the case under Ukraine. Ukraine is just a made-up country anyway. It has no history in its present form. Certainly Putin has taken advantage of the wishes of the majority of the inhabitants of Donbass and Crimea in their desire to free themselves of the corrupt and incompetent Kiev government, and Russian help in their struggle has been gratefully received. If Kiev had accepted these established facts, this dreadful war need never have happened. 5. As I think I pointed out, the Ukrainian Nazis have agreed to subdue their anti-Semitism in the light of Zelensky's accession to power, but it remains in existence. They are, as I said, more anti-Russian than anti-Jewish. To find out about them just Google Azov Battalion for starters, Numerous documentaries have been made about Nazis in Ukraine, often by news organisations which now have forgotten their earlier qualms and support Zelensky with great enthusiasm. 6. Not Russia, but Russians. The Azovs and others have perpetrated various horrors against the Russian inhabitants of Donbass. This again is well documented by Human Rights Watch and other bodies. (It has to be said though that the separatists have fought back and their revenge has been equally terrible.) 7. These countries are about 800 km from Moscow. Ukraine is about 450km. In a nuclear conflict every minute counts. As for Kaliningrad it is, of course, quite some considerable distance from Washington DC. 8. As I have already explained it is the proximity to Moscow which makes all the difference - plus the complex historical and ethnic ties between Russia and Ukraine which do not apply to Finland and Sweden. Ukraine is, after all, still referred to as Little Russia by many Russians.
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  15765.  @Godric_71  Small bribes and pie in the sky promises do not compensate for the insidious erosion of traditional western values. They do not compensate for years of race-baiting which have served to undermine the nation's progress towards racial equality. They do not compensate for university courses which teach that men are toxic parasites or that capitalism is a force of evil. They are as nothing when compared with fostering the illusion of equality of capability or moral rectitude. They pale into insignificance when placed beside images of babies being torn from wombs and their dismembered bodies thrown into trash cans or men winning sports events because they have declared themselves to be women. These are things that are happening now; not things that will happen once the glorious dawn of socialism has broken. You make some worthwhile points in your final paragraph but: 1) Which murderous dictators did you have in mind? 2) The Jan 6 events were simply a "mostly peaceful" demo which got somewhat out of hand. There was no serious attempt at insurrection or assassination. That is pure propaganda. 3) Blaming the pandemic on political responses is both foolish and distasteful. Practically every government in the world was wrong-footed, and many continue to be so. America's comparatively high death rate owes more to obesity than anything Trump did or didn't do. Blame MacDonald's if you want to blame anyone. As to your other post, tax cuts should be enough in the first instance. A sensible right-wing government should merely set the scene for growth and prosperity. It is the function of the left to minimise the worst aspects of greed-fuelled capitalism. You should concentrate on that instead of obsessing with nonsense. You are the brakes, not the engine.
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  15799.  @andrewadams6905  Just look at a geological map of Ukraine.. Just look at history and ask yourself why the original Tatar population of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine was deported and replaced by Russians. These should provide you with basic facts. You might also ask why the gigantic steelworks in Mariupol was fought over so fiercely. Do you really imagine the American government gives a damn how Ukraine is governed - or anywhere else for that matter.? Money is at the root of its foreign policy and there is an estimated $13 trillion of gas, oil, coal, iron ore and rare earth minerals is these disputed territories which have been exploited by Russia and by Russians ever since salt was found there in the late 18th century - and that includes the period following Ukraine's independence. Only in 2014 did it become clear that the Ukrainian government was intending to ensure these resources were passed over to Western control. The Minsk treaties were designed to give Donbass a measure of Independence, or at least autonomy, so they could continue to ensure their mines and factories remained in the Russian sphere. Crimea was "invaded" in a virtually bloodless coup which ensured the same result. NATO, led by America, then proceeded to provide Ukraine with a multi-billion dollar army under cover of the provisions of Minsk. It became clear that Ukraine's US-leaning government was not prepared to agree to the compromise proposals set out in Minsk, and despite the fact that a new compromise had been hammered out in Istanbul, Zelensky was persuaded to refuse to sign. As a result Russia invaded to obtain by force what it believes it owns by right of history.
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  16138. Science Matters CO2 is not a pollutant and the 'evidence' that it contributes towards global warming is very shaky indeed. The theory is based entirely upon laboratory experiments using models of the atmosphere decided upon well over 100 years ago and little altered since. The actual atmosphere appears to behave very differently - which is scarcely surprising since it is very much larger than the artificial atmospheres used for these experiments, to say nothing of being subject to cosmic rays and being on the edge of outer space. Experiments carried out in contained areas on the earth's surface do indicate that carbon instigates a procedure whereby infra-red radiation is retained or reflected back downwards. In the real atmosphere, however, recent studies have shown that carbon molecules retain infra-red photons for approximately one third of a second before disseminating them in various directions. It also appears that this procedure assists in maintaining the atmosphere in a state of thermodynamic stability, as Einstein posited it must be in his theoretical paper of 1917. The climate crisis is a gigantic scam conceived by hedge fund managers who make vast profits from trading in carbon emission permissions created by artificial restrictions imposed following such events as The Paris Agreement. The scam is supported by governments who increase revenue via carbon taxes and also by left-leaning politicians generally who see it as a way of exercising widespread control over you suckers while at the same time allowing you to feel clever and virtuous.
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  16593. Hosni Muburak I really don't know if Zharkova's predictions will come true. The good thing is they will be tested by events and, unlike the repeated warnings of the AGW brigade, it will not be possible to shift things along for a few more years if they just don't happen. One thing I am pretty sure of is that global temperature records are not being smashed, as you so confidently assert. How can you know this? Proxy data is notoriously difficult to interpret and there have only been reliable or semi-reliable recording stations in the US and Europe and a few other locations for a little over 100 years. Add to this the fact that AGW fanatics are constantly "adjusting' data that doesn't fit into the narrative and continue to ignore or underestimate the impact of the Urban Heat Island Effect then I'm afraid I must continue to be very suspicious of claims that global temperatures are increasing to any great degree, if at all. I still think it was warmer in 218BC when Hannibal crossed the Alps with an army of 30,000 including a troop of war elephants. It certainly must have been warmer in Greenland in 10th century when there were forests and fields of wheat and Viking settlers built towns and churches. I even think it was warmer in the 1930's when tens of thousands died of heatstroke both in the American Midwest and in continental Europe; hotter, and for longer periods. The very fact that AGW alarmists find it needful to suppress or minimise these long-established facts is proof enough to me that something sinister is afoot. You're either complicit in this con trick or a victim of it. I suspect the latter in your case.
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  16702.  @ThatGuy-bz2in  Your information doesn't coincide with mine. I'm afraid. While Putin, in a famous essay, describes the Ukrainians and Russians as "one people " he knows full well that many have been seduced into Western attitudes and anything like a militarily imposed regime would result in an endless and costly civil war. A Russian-leaning regime would have to be the result of some sort of electoral process (inasmuch as such things exist) and Russian troops on the streets would never do. And he's not that bothered. Donbass is where the real money is. I can't see there's much of a percentage any longer in "drip feeding" armaments to Ukraine. The investment isn't paying off. Russia, on the other hand appears to have a very healthy munitions industry, and can buy in extras on the arms market anyway. It's got gas and oil to swap. Ukraine has virtually nothing. Even Western observers admit that Russia has this number of men waiting in the wings.. Don't forget that the majority of Russian men undergo compulsory military training of between two and four years, and before the war Russia had a reserve army of two million. The number of men of military age is about 33 million. Russian tactics are always to secure the field with trained troops who then retire to the rear while disposable units with old equipment bear the brunt of the response. The troops at the rear also shoot any of the newcomers who try to retreat. Wagner has been doing this with its released prisoners, but the elite are highly trained and experienced. Many have fought in Syria, as have battalions of regular Russian troops who appear not to have been much used yet. Neither have the Chechen mercenaries who were so instrumental in capturing Mariupol. I think there may be a whole Chechen army standing by. I don't think the Russians were "smashed" in Kharkiv or Kherson or anywhere else. They used the tactics outlined above to drain Ukrainian forces before withdrawing to the south, preparatory to the new three-pronged assault which it is about to commence.
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  16992.  @bonnie7898  There can , I think, be little doubt that time to rebuild the army was the intention. Billions of dollars were spent by NATO to make it so. America has been adept at overseeing the writing of treaties which achieve political and commercial objectives while appearing to merely bring peace. It was a skill learned in the very early days when it was used to aid the genocide of native Americans. Setting one tribe against another, and then coming along with a peace treaty which is so flawed it cannot help but be broken is part of the technique. The disputed territories are historically Russian and inhabited by a large proportion of native Russians, imported to work the mines and factories since the native Tatars of the region were disinclined to do so. These areas were gradually included in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine for purely administrative reasons, and it was a great mistake for the boundaries of the SSR to have automatically become the boundaries of the new country of Ukraine. (Russian troops were largely withdrawn incidentally - but replaced by mercenaries. This is how the Wagner Group came into being.) Ukraine, on the other hand, took no steps to pave the way for regional autonomy which was clearly the main objective of the accords. Minsk was another flawed treaty, and deliberately flawed in order to achieve a political objective. I think the term "sovereign country" is one which needs clearer definition. A country doesn't become sovereign because an Empire says it is, and draws lines on a map saying so. Ukraine is not a sovereign country in real historical terms. I agree that Ukraine should have been allowed to sort the problems out, and they were well on their way to being sorted out in proposals drawn up in Istanbul. Something went wrong though, following a visit to Zelensky by Britain's Boris Johnson. One can only imagine that he expressed NATO's concerns at the deal and that Zelensky listened.
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  17048.  @magnificentbastard5085  Have you come across Patrick Moore's new book yet? It seems to state the case pretty clearly. You must be aware that there is a considerable body of scientific opinion which casts doubts on various aspects of AGW - and does so for purely scientific reasons. The proponents of the notion, on the other hand, have powerful geo-political reasons for doing so. The kindest interpretation is that yes, fossil fuels will run out one day and carbon scare is one very good way of achieving the transition to whatever we can come up with to replace them. Considering that not a single one of the doomladen predictions has come to pass in forty years the strategy is working very well. The psuedo-science which props AGW up is quite cunningly constructed and several generations of "climate scientists" have been well trained in how to repeat the experiments. The fact remains, however, that the world is warming entirely in accord with cyclic patterns and that the icecaps are not melting and sea levels are not rising and temperatures 1,000 years ago appear to be a degree and more higher than they are today. The only way this situation can be made to appear not to be the case is by altering data, which is done on a regular basis. In the meantime governments can increase their incomes via carbon taxes and speculators can make millions overnight by fixing the price of permissions to exceed carbon emission limits. Have you ever wondered why we always talk about NET zero emissions, by the way? What do you imagine the gross is? I like your last sentence. Your inner Stalinist is showing.
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  17050.  @magnificentbastard5085  As I predicted, all you can do is attempt to disparage the character of those who oppose you, rather than respond to their opinions. Skeptical Science (what an Orwellian name that is) is just another one of those establishment "fact checkers" which is designed to keep you sheepies munching grass in the meadow. It doesn't matter what you say about Tony Heller, the facts he presents are overwhelming. The graphs he shows clearly demonstrate decades of data manipulation. The newspaper cuttings demonstrate the utter failure of all climate crisis predictions, as well as the clear existence of lengthy heatwaves in the recent past. It is quite astonishingly easy to persuade large amounts of people to believe the most arrant nonsense. The techniques are well-established. It is how religions work and the climate "crisis" has become a religion. As long as the leaders of a cult are motivated enough the process is self generating. Hitler and Lenin did it and while Michael Mann isn't as bright as either of them he and his buddies are doing a fair job. (Have you read his latest by the way? It is jaw-droppingly bad.) You couldn't get today's climate scientists and their supporters to stop believing in AGW any more than you could stop medieval monks from believing in God and hell, or Germans in the 1930's from believing the Jews were the source of the nation's ills. The more insane the ideology and the more its predictions turn out to be false, the more fanatical its adherents become. These tens of thousands of climate scientists aren't making things up for money. They believe as medieval monks believed and Nazis believed, because it is what they have been taught and extensive "proofs" have been put before them. The fact that their livelihoods depend upon their loyalty does help considerably of course. The politicians also know what side their bread is buttered on and the speculators don't care either way. As long as the miracle of placing a scarcity value on permissions to exceed carbon outputs is there, they have a new currency to trade with. More than gold or the mighty dollar carbon certificates are the basis of the new order's economy and as long as gullible souls in their millions hold true to the creed they will continue to rake it the cash, while at the same time effecting total control over public behaviour.
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  17051.  @magnificentbastard5085  The great majority of "established" scientific theories get proved wrong at one time or another. The situation is especially grave at the moment due to the politicisation of science and problems of reproducibility and so on. Any departures from doctrine are actively discouraged. Have you ever watched a Tony Heller video at all? He cherry picks - not to deceive but to enlighten. He has the original data and shows how new "data" is introduced to make the past cooler and the present warmer. Okay, you can say that temperature data before 1980 or so is suspect because of equipment etc, but then to say the temperature now is such and such and that according to our theory the temperature back then should be so and so is just not the right way to set about things, is it? Even modern satellite data been altered because the original figures showed no warming over a ten year period. There is just so much evidence pointing to the fraud. Tens of thousands of people died of heatstroke in the 1890's and 1930's. Air-conditioning can be the sole answer to that conundrum! The Danes are stubbornly resisting the ridiculous claims about Greenland and insist that ice-core samples show it was 1.5 degrees colder a thousand years ago than it is today. I was much amused recently when a climate hysteria channel revealed that this year the cherry blossom in Tokyo came out a day earlier this year than any other year since 1408 or somesuch. Of course it did. That was the height on the Medieval Warm Period in the Pacific. A team from Switzerland has been mapping the MWP for decades and discovered that the northern hemisphere heated first and the heat was transported slowly south by deep ocean currents. Cosmic events of which we still have little understanding and the behaviour of the earth's various inner layers in relation to them are what cause changes in temperature, not farting cows and belching chimneys. Your creed is mumbo jumbo, got up to benefit the rich and misdirect the rabble. It is not science at all.
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  17054.  @magnificentbastard5085  Sure enough the thought police have deleted my link to Dr Motaka Nakamura's book "The Global Warming Hypothesis is an Unproven Hypothesis" How does it feel to know that you are on the same side as a bunch of fascists? Dr Nakamura is one of the many heretics who have been disgusted by the work they were expected to do. He has been a climate specialist for 25 years, working in various prestigious institutes and universities. In this extract he explains the position very clearly: Nakamura writes: “The global surface mean temperature-change data no longer have any scientific value and are nothing except a propaganda tool to the public.” The climate models are useful tools for academic studies, he admits. However: “The models just become useless pieces of junk or worse (as they can produce gravely misleading output) when they are used for climate forecasting.” Climate forecasting is simply not possible, Nakamura concludes, and the impacts of human-caused CO2 can’t be judged with the knowledge and technology we currently possess. The models grossly simplify the way the climate works. As well as ignoring the sun, they also drastically simplify large and small-scale ocean dynamics, aerosol changes that generate clouds (cloud cover is one of the key factors determining whether we have global warming or global cooling), the drivers of ice-albedo: “Without a reasonably accurate representation, it is impossible to make any meaningful predictions of climate variations and changes in the middle and high latitudes and thus the entire planet,” and water vapor. The climate forecasts also suffer from arbitrary “tunings” of key parameters that are simply not understood. NAKAMURA ON CO2 He writes: “The real or realistically-simulated climate system is far more complex than an absurdly simple system simulated by the toys that have been used for climate predictions to date, and will be insurmountably difficult for those naive climate researchers who have zero or very limited understanding of geophysical fluid dynamics. The dynamics of the atmosphere and oceans are absolutely critical facets of the climate system if one hopes to ever make any meaningful prediction of climate variation.” Solar input is modeled as a “never changing quantity,” which is absurd. “It has only been several decades since we acquired an ability to accurately monitor the incoming solar energy. In these several decades only, it has varied by one to two watts per square meter. Is it reasonable to assume that it will not vary any more than that in the next hundred years or longer for forecasting purposes? I would say, No.” SOLAR FORCING Solar output isn’t constant, IPCC. And the modulation of cloud nucleation is a key consequence. During solar minima, like the one we’re entering now, the sun’s magnetic field weakens and the outward pressure of the solar wind decreases. This allows more Cosmic Rays from deep space to penetrate our planet’s atmosphere. These CRs have been found to nucleate clouds (Svensmark et al). And clouds are a crucial player earth’s climate.
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  17056.  @magnificentbastard5085  Since you are so interested in scientific qualifications I thought you might like to check some of these guys out when you have a day or two to spare from the camp. Or isn't it open yet? SCIENTISTS ARGUING THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS PRIMARILY CAUSED BY NATURAL PROCESSES — scientists that have called the observed warming attributable to natural causes, i.e. the high solar activity witnessed over the last few decades. Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences.[81][82] Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[83][84][85] Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg.[86][87][88] Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[89][90] Vincent Courtillot, geophysicist, member of the French Academy of Sciences.[91] Doug Edmeades, PhD., soil scientist, officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit.[92] David Dilley, B.S. and M.S. in meteorology, CEO Global Weather Oscillations Inc. [198][199] David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester.[93][94] Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University.[95][96] William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University.[39][97] Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, Theoretical Physicist and Researcher, Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.[98] Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo.[99][100] Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[101][102] William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology.[103][104] David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware.[105][106] Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri.[107][108] Jennifer Marohasy, an Australian biologist, former director of the Australian Environment Foundation.[109][110] Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.[111][112] Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[113][114] Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[115][116] Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego.[117][118] Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado.[119][120] Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University.[121][122][123] Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo.[124][125] Nedialko (Ned) T. Nikolov, PhD in Ecological Modelling, physical scientist for the U.S. Forest Service [200] Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.[126][127] Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.[128][129][130][131] Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.[132][133] Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville.[134][135] Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center.[136][137] George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University.[138][139] Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa.[140][141] SCIENTISTS PUBLICLY QUESTIONING THE ACCURACY OF IPCC CLIMATE MODELS Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, former Greenpeace member. [203][204] David Bellamy, botanist.[19][20][21][22] Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[23][24] Piers Corbyn, owner of the business WeatherAction which makes weather forecasts.[25][26] Susan Crockford, Zoologist, adjunct professor in Anthropology at the University of Victoria. [27][28][29] Judith Curry, professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[30][31][32][33] Joseph D’Aleo, past Chairman American Meteorological Society’s Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecasting, former Professor of Meteorology, Lyndon State College.[34][35][36][37] Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society.[38][39] Ivar Giaever, Norwegian–American physicist and Nobel laureate in physics (1973).[40] Dr. Kiminori Itoh, Ph.D., Industrial Chemistry, University of Tokyo [202] Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University.[41][42] Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences.[39][43][44][45] Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[46][47][48][49][50][51][52] Sebastian Lüning, geologist, famed for his book The Cold Sun. [201] Ross McKitrick, professor of economics and CBE chair in sustainable commerce, University of Guelph.[53][54] Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada.[55][56][57] Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003).[58][59] Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University.[60][61] Roger A. Pielke, Jr., professor of environmental studies at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado at Boulder.[62][63] Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science.[64][65][66][67] Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 astronaut, former US senator.[68][69] Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm.[70][71] Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.[72][73] Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute.[74][75] Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor of atmospheric science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.[76][77] Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry.[78][79] Valentina Zharkova, professor in mathematics at Northumbria University. BSc/MSc in applied mathematics and astronomy, a Ph.D. in astrophysics.
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  17057.  @magnificentbastard5085  You really ought to get of this habit of shooting the messenger before reading the message. Do you not realise that you are so blinkered by the repressive scientific conventions that exist today that you have become incapable of even listening to non-consensual ideas, let alone being capable of rebutting them? This is how autocracy begins. It is how cults work. Your parameters are defined for you and any suggestion of stepping beyond them makes you fearful and aggressive. Groupthink, cognitive bias and loss aversion suppress the desire for truth which is the essence of science. Just because scientists churn out papers re-iterating the same positions over and over again and keep their jobs and their grants as a result doesn't make them right. Scientists have a duty to consider alternative ideas if they are cogently presented. Peer review has become meaningless; the constant failure to repeat experimental results unless pre-processed data and procedures are followed to the letter has turned so called "climate science" into little more than a cookery school. This is why scientists from proper disciplines should be heard - particularly cosmologists who are appalled at climate science's utter disregard for the enormity and complexity of the solar system and the powerful and still largely uncomprehended forces which hold this organism together as it hurtles through space. Jupiter's gravitational field probably has more effect on the Earth's climate than any amount of atmospheric carbon and temperature changes can clearly be related to regular 11-year cycles of solar energy. To climate "scientists" the sun seems little more than some sort of distant lightbulb. I will add to your potential list of reading material while relaxing from your duties at the club by introducing you to Ronan Connolly, who has published many papers. You can visit him at ronanconollyscience.com. You will see that much of his more controversial work is only in preprint but there are obvious reasons for this, as there are for the fact that Dr Connolly and his father, also a published scientist, have left the sheltered halls of academia to earn their living by designing and building eco-friendly homes and other structures. More noble work that churning out papers full of the same lies and inexactitudes in my view.
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  17058.  @magnificentbastard5085  Sorry for sending this twice but I have deleted the link to ronan connolly science and a dot com on the end all one word I included in the other one. Perhaps I am getting paranoid but the YouTube Gestapo algorithm has a nasty habit of deleting all posts with suspect blue writing in them. You really ought to get of this habit of shooting the messenger before reading the message. Do you not realise that you are so blinkered by the repressive scientific conventions that exist today that you have become incapable of even listening to non-consensual ideas, let alone being capable of rebutting them? This is how autocracy begins. It is how cults work. Your parameters are defined for you and any suggestion of stepping beyond them makes you fearful and aggressive. Groupthink, cognitive bias and loss aversion suppress the desire for truth which is the essence of science. Just because scientists churn out papers re-iterating the same positions over and over again and keep their jobs and their grants as a result doesn't make them right. Scientists have a duty to consider alternative ideas if they are cogently presented. Peer review has become meaningless; the constant failure to repeat experimental results unless pre-processed data and procedures are followed to the letter has turned so called "climate science" into little more than a cookery school. This is why scientists from proper disciplines should be heard - particularly cosmologists who are appalled at climate science's utter disregard for the enormity and complexity of the solar system and the powerful and still largely uncomprehended forces which hold this organism together as it hurtles through space. Jupiter's gravitational field probably has more effect on the Earth's climate than any amount of atmospheric carbon and temperature changes can clearly be related to regular 11-year cycles of solar energy. To climate "scientists" the sun seems little more than some sort of distant lightbulb. I will add to your potential list of reading material while relaxing from your duties at the club by introducing you to Ronan Connolly, who has published many papers. You will see that much of his more controversial work is only in preprint but there are obvious reasons for this, as there are for the fact that Dr Connolly and his father, also a published scientist, have left the sheltered halls of academia to earn their living by designing and building eco-friendly homes and other structures. More noble work that churning out papers full of the same lies and inexactitudes in my view.
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  17137.  @peterebel7899  There are many factors involved in a country's "performance" . In Japan the low death rate has different explanations from the high death rate in the UK. The relationship between Covid and malaria, for instance, is most interesting - with the countries with the most malaria all being way down on the list of covid deaths. Japan was malarial until the 18th century until when the disease was wiped out by efficient marsh drainage. The paper below gives a number of hypotheses to account for the huge differences in survival and infection rates between Europe and Asia and would certainly explain why the elderly in Japan have escaped, while the elderly of Europe have not. Genetic differences as a result of responses to earlier epidemics seem highly significant. "Several genes may be involved in the genetic predisposition to COVID-19, and the combination of multiple genes may be important for the severity of the infection. Among them, human leukocyte antigen (HLA) polymorphisms are associated with susceptibility to various diseases such as autoimmune diseases and infectious diseases. The composition ratio of HLA types varies greatly depending on the country and ethnic group. Since HLA is a protein of the immune system that is responsible for antigen presentation, HLA has been attracting attention in relation to disease susceptibility. Ellinghaus and colleagues performed GWAS on patients in Italy and Spain [17]. But, it was found that certain HLA types are unlikely to be associated with exacerbation of the novel coronavirus at least in Italy and Spain. Nevertheless, since HLA types, which are present only in Japan and other Asian countries, may show resistance to the novel coronavirus, further analysis is necessary." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7403102/ Japanese and east asian immune systems
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  17208.  @jukeboxtimebomber  You seem to be unaware of the state senate hearings which took place immediately after the election and at which many concerns were voiced. They have resulted in the current forensic audits, details of which I append below. There is also a site called Here Is The Evidence which has collated many hundreds of items relating to the fraud. Some are circumstantial and some are partisan, but there are also official documents and so forth. I particularly like the fact that there are a number of voters in South Carolina who are120 years old. As for the CIA or whatever this has clearly been a thoroughly professional job, as indeed are the current attempts to hinder and sidetrack the investigations. Trump did not come up through the dirty mess of politics and is therefore the only president in many years who was not controlled by the secret services. This why he is hated and feared and why he had to go - by fair means or foul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_XyeW3Kky4 Mitchigan audit https://www.westernjournal.com/74000-ballots-returned-no-record-ever-sent-shocking-az-audit-update/ Maricopa 17 July https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HkZa6XKbdk&list=WL&index=1&t=3925s Maricopa audit vid https://mammothnation.com/blog/2020-election-audit-exposes-fraud-in-georgia-as-votes-mysteriously-vanished Georgia audit https://beckernews.com/az-update-40299/ Maricopa and Fulton July 17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_XyeW3Kky4 Why did you send me a video of a man feeding a pig by the way?
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  17497.  @bonnie7898  I'm glad you know that Putin once wanted to join, as indeed did Gorbachev and Yeltsin before him. Perhaps you should ask yourself why they were so curtly refused. NATO exists primarily as a job creation scheme for the military and to create a marketplace for arms manufacturers. Its members, predominantly America, have been involved in countless invasions and military interventions since its inception. Despite assurances that it would not do so, it has expanded closer and closer to Russia's borders. Russia, by contrast, has shown no expansionist desires since the collapse of the Soviet Union. It is clear that in equipping and training a large army in Ukraine, NATO wishes it to fall into the sphere of American influence. It is, in effect, already an American satellite and a member of NATO in all but name. Ukraine's history and that of Russia are so closely intertwined that it can be said with some justification that Ukraine was created by Russia and maintained by the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union until the collapse of the latter. It is intolerable, in Russian eyes, that it should become an economic and military subject of an entity which very clearly sees itself as Russia's enemy. The American-engineered overthrow of the Ukrainian government in 2014 led Russia to take extreme measures, notably the annexation of Crimea (which is Russian to the core) and to support the existing separatist movements in the Donbass region, which is also predominantly Russian and fared much better under the control of Moscow than it has under that of Kiev. We cannot know for certain what prompted the invasion of February this year, but it is probable that warmongers in Washington, emboldened by having succeeded in shoehorning their puppet into the White House, were planning to order their other puppet, Zelensky, to undertake an invasion of Crimea and to step up the existing war in Donbass, with further loss of civilian lives. Such steps would be unacceptable blows to Russian prestige and geopolitical interests and so had to be pre-empted.
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  17689.  @paxprix3096  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FDGsXptbF0 1000 people voted twice in georgia https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-official-claims-1-000-people-illegally-voted-twice-in-primaries/ar-BB18PGvz?li=BB141NW3 Mail truck catches fire destroying thousands of ballots https://amp.dailyrecord.com/amp/3257291001 200,000 ballots sent to wrong addresses in nevada https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/michael-berry/content/2020-08-10-more-than-200000-ballots-in-nevada-mailed-to-the-wrong-addresses/ Entire NJ election called a do over due to ballot fraud https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/paterson-press/2020/08/11/paterson-nj-election-rivals-agree-do-over-council-election/3343160001/ New jersey man votes 3 times https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/new-hampshire-man-arrested-vote-fraud-charge Republican + 4 others charged in ballot fraud https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/kansas-republican-charged-with-three-felonies-in-voter-fraud-investigation/2020/07/14/7d0fe8c2-c629-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html 200,000 purged from rolls in New york https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/campaigns-elections/new-york-city-purged-voters-2016-it-wasnt-mistake.html Deceased cat receives ballot https://apnews.com/fbcec393dc652a9ccdb2cc8aacb15895 NY election disaster, over a month to count ballots , ballots lost or destroyed https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yorks-mail-vote-disaster-11595286912 Man charged for voting in 3 elections using his dead mother https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-18/la-county-man-accused-of-voting-in-three-elections-as-his-dead-mother 10s of thousands of ballots thrown out https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tens-of-thousands-of-mail-ballots-have-been-tossed-out-in-this-years-primaries-what-will-happen-in-november/2020/07/16/fa5d7e96-c527-11ea-b037-f9711f89ee46_story.html 100,000 ballots thrown out in California https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2020/0714/Why-California-threw-out-100-000-mail-in-primary-ballots 23,000 thrown out in Wisconsin https://www.apmreports.org/story/2020/07/23/wisconsin-absentee-ballot-rejections Thousands of ballots thrown out due to tardiness https://www.npr.org/2020/07/13/889751095/signed-sealed-undelivered-thousands-of-mail-in-ballots-rejected-for-tardiness Mail in ballot experiment fails with lost , late n damaged ballots https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vote-by-mail-ballot-counted-election/ Woman arrested forging ballots https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/plymouth-township-woman-charged-with-election-law-forgery-over-absentee-voter-ballot As the new York times claims ballots are secure in 2020, in 2012 they wrote they were extremely open to fraud https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html 28,000,000 ballots lost in last 3 elections https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143033.html Postal worker arrested for changing party affiliation on ballots https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/506869-postal-worker-pleads-guilty-to-election-fraud-after-changing 18,000 ballots not counted in Florida's primary https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/29/more-than-18000-mail-ballots-not-counted-in-floridas-march-presidential-preference-primary/ Thousands of ballots left on floor of building in North jersey https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/paterson/2020/08/14/paterson-nj-election-ballots-were-left-floor-post-office-says/5582951002/ Investigation as piles of mail found dumped in parking lot in california https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/515442-investigation-underway-after-bags-of-mail-found-dumped-in-los-angeles 1.6 million more voters than are registered in 19 california counties .. L.A county has 117% voter registration https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/01/07/five_states_face_federal_lawsuit_over_inaccurate_voter_registrations__142089.html 500,000 legit ballots in Virginia labelled with wrong return addresses https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-wrong-mail-in-ballots-fairfax-virginia/65-94c4847c-63fb-4a93-bac5-9bb45df00a8d Glitch sends duplicate ballots in Pittsburgh Allegheny county https://www.wesa.fm/post/glitch-sends-duplicate-ballots-voters-system-prevents-double-voting-county-says#stream/0 Detroit elections where 72% of absentee votes do not match registered voters https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/20/benson-asked-investigate-detroit-perfect-storm-voting-problems/5616629002/ 80,000 ballots disappeared in Baltimore https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-voting-snafu-update-20180625-story.html New York voting official warns people will use dead people to vote https://www.newsweek.com/mail-voting-ballots-deceased-1531481 Michigan secretary misprinted military absentee ballots . 400 already issued https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/09/president-trump-goes-after-michigan-secretary-of-state-again-over-ballot-misprint.html Mail in ballots found in road ditch in Wisconsin https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/23/mailed-in-ballots-found-tossed-in-wisconsin-ditch/ 4 officials arrested in ballot harvesting scheme https://www.kltv.com/2020/09/24/gregg-county-commissioner-others-arrested-alleged-vote-harvesting-scheme/ 9 military mail in ballots thrown in dumpster in PA https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/poconos-coal/fbi-psp-probing-9-discarded-ballots-in-luzerne-county/article_249405da-fea4-11ea-a8d7-b7faa419550f.html 134 felony voter fraud charges announced in Dem primary https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-voter-fraud New Yorkers receiving ballots with wrong names and addresses https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518682-new-yorkers-report-receiving-ballots-with-wrong-name-voter-addresses Queens voters receiving military ballots https://nypost.com/2020/09/28/nyc-voters-wrongly-getting-mail-in-ballots-marked-for-military-use/ Sun sentinel detailing Florida voting fraud https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-menge-mail-in-ballots-fraud-florida-20200416-hanmbneuendpbaftyktpactlga-story.html Ballot harvesting scam exposed in Minneapolis https://nypost.com/2020/09/29/minneapolis-police-probing-alleged-ballot-harvesting-claims/ 1 in 4 election officials quit due to the new election law and chaos of mail in ballots https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/mail-ballot-law-pennsylvania-has-driven-out-nearly-quarter-state-n1240504 Texas Official arrested on felony election fraud charges https://www.newsweek.com/texas-official-arrested-felony-election-fraud-charges-could-face-99-year-sentence-1534183 Patterson city council official arrested along with 4 others in ballot fraud scheme https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/paterson-city-council-vice-president-among-4-charged-with-voting-fraud-in-may-special-election-nj-ag/2484797/ Yes America! Plenty of voter fraud https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/yes-america-there-voter-fraud-these-recent-cases-prove-it D.C voters receiving ballots for ex residents with some receiving up to 5 multiple ballots https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-voters-are-being-sent-mail-in-ballots-for-ex-residents
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  17852.  @richiecooke69  You are incorrect. This has nothing to do with any romantic notion of re-creating a the Soviet empire. Putin has made it abundantly clear on many occasions that this is neither possible nor even desirable. The Soviet Union collapsed partially due to over-extension and he doesn't want to see the Russian Federation go the same way. The mineral resources of Eastern Ukraine are almost entirely at the root of this conflict. Look at the march on Kiev. This was not an attempt at conquest. This was simply a device to draw the rebuilt Ukrainian army away from Donbass and engage it on Ukrainian territory. You don't carry out an invasion by running a nose to tail 40 mile convoy of old tanks and troop carriers down the main road. They were bait. Look at the past history of the conflict, which began in 2014. After the uneasy peace brought about by the Minsk accords both sides built very extensive triple lines of fortifications on their side of no-man's land. Bu 2021 it became clear that Ukraine had no intention of granting regional autonomy to Donbass and instead had accepted billions of dollars from The US and other NATO countries to rebuild its army. Russia suspected that this army was poised to invade rebel-held Donbass, so instead launched the SMO to ensure that the Ukrainians were forced to fight on their land, instead of trying to break through the Russian defence lines. As a result the last stages of the war are taking place with the Russians breaking out through the Ukrainian defence lines, wile facing a much depleted Ukrainian force. They are now well on their way in succeeding in this objective, which they have now almost succeeded in doing
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  17853.  @richiecooke69  You are incorrect. This has nothing to do with any romantic notion of re-creating the Soviet empire. Putin has made it abundantly clear on many occasions that this is neither possible nor even desirable. The Soviet Union collapsed partially due to over-extension and he doesn't want to see the Russian Federation go the same way. The mineral resources of Eastern Ukraine are almost entirely at the root of this conflict. Look at the march on Kiev. This was not an attempt at conquest. This was simply a device to draw the rebuilt Ukrainian army away from Donbass and engage it on Ukrainian territory. You don't carry out an invasion by running a nose to tail 40 mile convoy of old tanks and troop carriers down the main road. They were bait. Look at the past history of the conflict, which began in 2014. After the uneasy peace brought about by the Minsk accords both sides built very extensive triple lines of fortifications on their side of no-man's land. Bu 2021 it became clear that Ukraine had no intention of granting regional autonomy to Donbass and instead had accepted billions of dollars from The US and other NATO countries to rebuild its army. Russia suspected that this army was poised to invade rebel-held Donbass, so instead launched the SMO to ensure that the Ukrainians were forced to fight on their land, instead of trying to break through the Russian defence lines. As a result the last stages of the war are taking place with the Russians breaking out through the Ukrainian defence lines, while facing a much depleted Ukrainian force. They are now well on their way in succeeding in this objective. Reply
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  17909.  @jnagarya519  Utter bilge from start to finish. The Proud Boys, like 4Chan and Qanon, are having great fun trolling and mocking you demented pea-brained lefties whose mental range is as narrow as your foreheads. Fascism died in the 1940's. Racism died in the 1960's. Communism, however, still very much exists and it manipulates the corpses of these bogeymen simply in order for you to use what little brains you have in hating things which no longer exist. That way your energies (such as they are) are diverted from genuine grievance at your lot and into the arms of those who claim they will abolish these imagined monsters. Black and brown Proud Boys know full well that they are not threatened because of their race. They do, however, know like their white brothers, that America and the world are threated by the false ideologies of wokeness and by race-baiting as expressed in CRT. They are unashamed of their masculinity and when Antifa wimps take to the streets smashing shops and torching offices they will be there to give them a good hiding. When the dregs who hang around the fringes of the corrupt commie BLM movement go on their rampages the Proud Boys and the millions of Americans who share their values will provide the last layer of defence against the forces of evil which the degenerate left is introducing into society. And if this means armed resistance - then so be it. Kyle Rittenhouse killed two and wounded another and already the brave "peaceful demonstrators" are cowering in their basements. You can plough through as many Christmas parades as you like, but you will never, never win.
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  17941.  @chewieqtpie  I don't fully understand you, but I believe we may be in closer agreement than you may think. The Saudi regime is thoroughly obnoxious, but even though Bin Laden and several 911 participants were Saudi-born, the regime as such is keen not to be seen as promoting international terrorism. I believe the thinking in US intelligence has been that a Houthi victory in Yemen could lead to a terrorism-sponsoring state, such as existed in Afghanistan under the Taliban. I do not believe for a moment, however, that the Biden administration's decision to cease support for the Saudis has been taken for humanitarian reasons. I do believe, however, that Trump's withdrawal of troops from Syria was simply a result of "job done" that is to say ISIS more or less wiped out. It is curious that the militias Biden is now bombing were allies in this endeavour. It is a vastly complex issue and I can pretend to no expertise, but broadly speaking it strikes me that Trump's approach has been to concentrate upon reducing the threat of international terrorism, while allowing oil/gas conflicts to settle themselves as best they may with no particular objection to Russia's domination of gas supply networks to Europe which the Gulf-Med pipeline will undoubtedly undermine. Equally well he has taken a cynical businessman's view of the Iran nuclear deal which the Biden administration now seeks to re-establish. The civil war in Yemen will continue unabated and the war in Syria will re-ignite as a consequence of the Biden administration's initiatives.
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  18107.  Vinland  Whatever knowledge you have of the facts you clearly have a prejudiced interpretation of them. You have fallen into the trap of taking sides as though this dreadful business is some kind of sporting event. 1) The Soviet Union was expansionist. The Russian Federation is not. It has learned the lesson all empires learn eventually: running an empire is very troublesome and unprofitable. 2) The Russians have certainly been outmanoeuvred at the conference table, but this does not alter the basic facts: Russia has every right to be concerned at NATO's expansionism and has some reason to believe that assurances were given that this would not occur. As with the Budapest protocols, the Russians, reeling under the effects of the collapse of the SU, rushed into agreements which have turned out to be disadvantageous to them. "Hard luck," you might say, but I prefer to think of this as being like a householder being conned by a door-to-door salesman. And it didn't help that Boris Yeltsin was pissed all the time. 3) Treaties are just scribbles on pieces of paper. You can quote Budapest, the Russians can quote Minsk, but at the end of the day history is dictated by the application of pragmatic reality. Treaties are torn up and scattered like confetti once they cease to work - and Budapest and Minsk have both clearly failed in their objectives. The question we must ask ourselves is not who is right and who is wrong, but what course of action is likely to bring about a lasting peace. (Ans sucking up to the US cabal of warmongers and their schemes to destroy Russia isn't it.)
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  18313. hand solo All well and good, but I still remain a heretic. As I've said, I'm not a scientist, so cannot argue the technicalities. I see that others can and I assume you believe the criticisms in the comments section to this article have been dismissed. I cannot possibly judge I need others to argue my corner; specialists such as the Connollys, Dad Michael is a spectroscopist (among many other things) and insists the balloon study utterly disproves current theories regarding the behaviour of carbon in the atmosphere Once again I am in danger of misrepresenting their case and can only clumsily put forward a version of what it appears to me may have happened. The models of the atmosphere used in laboratory experiments are inadequate in many important respects. The real thing is different to the models and behaves differently to how it should. Thus all conclusions based upon the models are brought into question. Current temperature rises are entirely in accord with historical cyclic patterns based upon solar forcing, cosmic ray and solar wind interaction and the behaviour of the oceans. Scientists have conflated temperature rise with carbon level increases and are constantly bending the evidence to turn this coincidence into cause and effect. This coincidence had been seized upon by political and financial players to create a scenario whereby money is made through giving carbon emissions a scarcity value. Carbon, in the form of diamonds, is given an artificial scarcity value and so is carbon in the form of fossil fuel emissions. Al Gore is one of several key players who realised the possibilities of trading in this new currency and has made an immense fortune from it, as have others, and they continue to do so. Politicians also love AGW because of the attractions of carbon taxation and the possibilities of controlling behaviour through fear. All three of these scenarios are already in place. I come at this problem from the bottom up, if you see what I mean. I can't do the science, but when I come across people who can, and who reject carbon as a prime forcer of climate, then I just love 'em! So, I beg you, if you want to argue the science, go to them. Their work is ever-open to debate and criticism. There's is a somewhat interesting story,incidentally. They are both very left wing (Ronan especially) and are ecologists by trade, designing and manufacturing eco-friendly structures. They began their study rather expecting to find it would confirm AGW and are somewhat wryly miffed to discover it did not.
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  18327. Hand Solo I'm suggesting no such thing. The carbon-based AGW theory is as good as any other. It wasn't scientists who saw the potential for its exploitation, but financiers. Al Gore is just a relatively minor example of the sort of con artist versed in the arts of manipulation who can use a few apparent inconvenient truths to sweet talk his way to billions. As I think I've explained, the trick was to give industrial waste carbon a scarcity value, just as its prettier sister diamonds have been given a scarcity value. I'm sure that back in 1968 when all this began people were well aware of the fact that fossil fuels are going to run out some time and that there would be pressure to find replacements. Balancing the conflict between these pressures emerged as a source of much, much wealth. In your studies of AGW, how much to you take as irrefutable simply because you have been instructed that it is so, and because experiments you have taken part in make it appear to be the case? The falsifying of data is carried out not with evil intent, but because it seems an imperative to confirm something you KNOW to be true. Various psychological phenomena come into play at this point:cognitive bias, attentional bias, loss aversion and groupthink for example. This is the usual procedure when good decent people get caught up in a cult. Disbelieving its tenets becomes a psychological impossibility. Meanwhile, while you draw your modest salaries, the guys behind this magnificent scam are creaming billions from your efforts.
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  18443. B L Hold on there! Your insane prejudices are showing. The principal authors at Ceres are Dr Michael Connolly and his son Ronan. Both are highly qualified. Michael's Phd is in spectroscopy, Ronan's in computational chemistry. Although both have published peer-reviewed papers (look them up) they recognise, sadly, that academic science uses the grant-dependent peer-review process to reinforce prejudice rather than encourage independent thinking. They themselves work outside the restraints of the grant system and earn their livings by designing and manufacturing eco-friendly houses and other structures and providing environmental advice to the fishing industry, among other things. Perhaps you would care to actually read some of the articles, given this information? You might also try ronanconnollyscience.wordpress.com where more advanced papers are available. including A New Look at the Physics of Earth's Atmosphere. This three-part study, utilising literally billions of items of data obtained from weather balloons, points to the atmosphere being composed of ideal gasses and being thermodynamically stable, as suggested by Einstein in his paper of 1917. The Connolly papers have been openly available for suggestion, criticism and review since 2014. Full publication is expected shortly. Forgive me for putting you on to Ceres first. The Connolly's work is pretty specialised and the Ceres articles are aimed at a general audience. They do put forward some pretty unanswerable points. however.
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  18445. B L Now you really are getting silly.. Do you refuse to consider alternative views simply because they are alternative? The science you adhere to so rigidly is based on laboratory models of the atmosphere which could well be faulty. Just because carbon behaves in a certain way in laboratory experiments using potentially flawed data, and when these experiments are conducted on the earth's surface in enclosed conditions, it does not mean that they have anything other than a peripheral relation to reality. The Connolly study is based on real observation of the actual atmosphere and thus provides empirical evidence in a way in which model experiments cannot. It is both lazy and unscientific to dismiss opposing views when they are the result of detailed research. Science is not a matter of consensus. It is a matter of constantly repeatable results. The very fact that science is now faced with a reproducability crisis due to a refusal to provide grants to allow experiments to be repeated is indicative of a deep-seated malaise in climatology. Your almost hysterical rejection of any ideas which appear to contravene established doctrine is another indication of this malaise. There are clear financial and political motivations behind the cult-like adherence to AGW. If it should turn out that global warming (and cooling) are solar forced, as many believe, then this money-grabbing scam falls by the wayside. AGW is being propped up by constant data manipulation. This must be clear to anyone who investigates how historical data has been altered in recent years. The excuses for these "adjustments" are nothing short of pathetic and add further fuel to the idea that we are being conned something rotten.
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  18469.  @dirkdupont5004  I presume you are aware of the Azov Battalion? In any case I have already agreed that the idea of genocide has simply provided a reasonable excuse for Putin's action which in reality has a much wider political context. The population of Donbass is predominantly Russian and, like Crimea, has voted in a referendum to secede from Ukraine. The response has been invasion with towns and villages being shelled and neo-Nazi death squads murdering anyone who can't speak Ukrainian. Thar's genocidal enough. The history of Russia and the history of Ukraine are inextricably entwined. The very name Russia comes from the Kievian Rus, the Vikings who sailed up the Dnieper in the 8th century or so. Ukraine didn't exist until various fiefdoms were joined together by Peter the Great and then Catherine the Great and only became a country as such because Stalin wanted an extra seat in the UN. Putin doesn't want it in NATO because he knows full well that NATO is just a vehicle for American imperialism and exists mainly to provide markets for the US military/industrial complex which needs to maintain Russia as a permanent enemy in order to justify its existence. Ukraine is flooded with CIA money, much of it channelled through the IMF. Didn't you see the video where vice-president Biden openly boasted that he withheld a billion dollars until the then President of Ukraine sacked the prosecutor who was after his son Hunter? Ukraine is a whore of a country whose leaders will sell her to the highest bidder. Your Scotland analogy makes no sense. Ukraine doesn't want to leave Russia. It is not part of Russia any longer. A more apt analogy would be if Scotland had already left the UK but some of the lowland countries wanted to partially re-join. Scotland then starts shelling these separatist counties and sends in fanatics to kill English-speakers. It also seems ready to enter into an alliance with an international conspiracy of arms dealers who want to use it to set up missile bases targeting English cities. How should England respond to this do you think?
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  18472.  @dirkdupont5004  I utterly defy you to prove or even indicate the presence of men of similar leanings to the members of the Azov Battalion in the British Army. Our Nazis are bogey men in the brains of brainwashed lefties. The Ukraine's Nazis are real. Even if Putin's invasion is illegal (which is highly disputable) it is entirely justified. More to the point it could be over in a minute if Ukraine simply recognised the independence of the Donbass provinces and promised not to join NATO. Crimea is already a done deal. If it is Putin's ambition to recreate the USSR he's certainly taken a long time to set about it. Russia could have wiped out the other former USSR states after the Soviet collapse if it wished. Instead it kissed them goodbye and tried to recreate itself without the crushing presence of the Party. It also asked to join NATO -four times and was rejected. NATO needs a permanent enemy in order to justify its existence. Russia hasn't been it -until now. All international arms manufacture is interlinked, but the Americans run the business programme and create the markets via countless invasions over the past hundred years, many since the Soviet collapse and many far, far bloodier than this one. The nuclear power plant thing is just another dollop of Western propaganda too. Nuclear power plants are practically impossible to damage from the outside. Even melt-downs generated from within are relatively mild on the scale of disasters. Chernobyl only provably killed 80 or so people and it has proved utterly impossible to attribute subsequent cancer deaths to it.
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  18627.  @teddansonLA  As I said, I can't argue the maths, only point out mathematicians with different views. Professor Gomes, for instance, seemed to insist that 1.4 could well be maintained without lockdowns and since the R number remains uncertain, given the uncertainty of the accuracy of infection rates, she could well have been right. As I am sure you are aware some very qualified people have called PCR tests into question, both in terms of their accuracy and in terms of the statistical anomalies they seem to produce. I also notice that you admit the models are based upon previous experience with influenzas. I don't think that Covid's infection and mortality rate broadly follows similar age-range patterns at all. The number of people who have died under the age of 70 is far less proportionately than has been the case with any preceding influenza I am aware of. This must surely influence mortality predictions to a considerable extent. My point with regard to ICU nurses remains valid. It would cost far less to bring existing nurses up to suitable ICU standard, or even bring in agency nurses from abroad, that it is to pour out billions into lockdown relief measures. The job really consists in monitoring patients very closely and responding to any significant changes into their condition. At the height of hospitalisations this winter one nurse was having to monitor three patients at a time. This is clearly unsatisfactory the ratio should be as close as one to one as possible and there were probably enough ward nurses in empty wards to do the job if they had been given sufficient training.
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  18917.  @satanicmicrochipv5656  What a silly rant. Everything I've said is in the public domain and entirely arguable among anyone that does not rely exclusively on lying news channels like MSNBC and CNN to get their information about the world. Are you totally unaware of the rivalries that have existed between America and Russia since the end of World War II? Can you not grasp the fact that there is vast battle going on to secure the world's energy resources, and that the US and Russia are bitter rivals in this conflict? Have you even heard of the Maidan Revolution in Ukraine in 2014? Are you aware of the war in Donbass? Do you not realise that the US and Russia are fighting over the area's vast resources of coal and gas? This is not "clandestine international nastiness" . It is an economic war which you, being I assume an ignorant, ill-informed American, are not expected to know much about, if anything. Thousands of news articles about this conflict have been published, but you ask why no "investigative journalist" has reported on it! As for security agencies -have you any idea how many billions of dollars the CIA has pumped into the pockets of Ukrainian gangsters to secure their support for American interests? Have you heard of BRICS ? Does the name Ifor Kolomoisky mean anything to you? Do you know what the current dollar/rouble exchange rate is? Do you know how many wars, invasions and government overthrows the US and NATO have been involved in over the past thirty years? You are living in a bubble of ignorance, herded like a sheep. Try to find out more about the world you live in before coming out with such pathetic nonsense.
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  18938.  @d.russellmoros7841  Some nations' data seems more trustworthy than others. China and the US are both at the top of the list when it comes to massaging figures -which I am sure you must admit is quite easily done. All that aside, I would agree that official responses have inclined to extend the pandemic. The virus will circumvent all but the most draconian prevention measures, and the half-arsed and confused strategies generally undertaken have merely extended the period required for the virus to achieve what it has evolved to achieve - the infection of as many hosts as possible. As for "herd immunity" the term is so ill-defined in many people's minds that I am glad to see it becoming replaced with the more neutral "endemic equilibrium." This is now predicted to occur in many countries quite soon. Basically it just means that sufficient people are now immune in these countries to cut down infection pathways to such an extent that many circulating viruses become non-viable before they can find a new host to infect. Cautious optimism is justified, I think. Case numbers are going to fall in the UK and the US and elsewhere and the gap between cases and severe outcomes will grow even wider. We are the stage now when compulsory vaccination is as mad as lockdowns and masking always have been; namely by introducing temporary barriers to the expansion of the virus they merely put off the inevitable - a condition whereby the virus becomes the victim of its own success and runs out of readily available people to infect. Herd immunity, really.
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  19042.  @operationgoldfish8331  1) It is not your individual perception of what EU membership means which counts. If is that of the mass of the working class. To many the mathematics are simple: if people are allowed to enter from foreign countries who will work more cheaply than they do then their wages will become static, or may even be reduced -as has happened in your personal case, apparently. Nazis do not enter into the equation. Tony Blair must be a Nazi according to your equation though, since he threw open the doors to immigration. According to your logic multiculturalism is part of Nazi plot to devitalise the working class. 2) What exactly is this "crap" you are talking about? Are you suggesting a reduction in the number of people from Commonwealth countries who are allowed to work here? That might be a good idea or it might not, but it is a question which does not involve the EU in any way. 3)A visceral fear of foreigners is one thing. A fear of what they might DO to you is another. As stated above, the working class fear if immigration is just that: a fear of immigration NOT of the actual people who are immigrating. Britons are generally very welcoming towards foreigners as individuals once they are here. (Far more so than Ukrainians as it happens.) 4) A EU army? Every step the EU has taken has been towards forming a federal state. I am assured by some Europhiles that my misgivings are unfounded, because political unification has always been the aim. And it clearly has. 5)The economic effects of withdrawal from the EU seem to have been greatly exaggerated. We expected a bumpy ride and we're getting it -but that's all. The poor are always with us but their number has not increased or its severity become more pronounced as a result of withdrawing from Europe. 6) We are not part if Europe. Europe does not exist, other than as a geographical convenience. The idea that fiendish Putin deliberately weakened the EU by creating Brexit with the aid of Farage in order to weaken the EU so he could invade Ukraine made me laugh out loud. Just think what you're saying! Putin invaded Ukraine mainly because he was justifiably concerned that it would join the other 13 countries which have joined NATO since 1990 and be militarised against Russia, but part of his concerns are that EU membership would adversely effect long-standing economic ties between the two countries. 7) Ukraine is not a "free nation". Like Russia it is a kleptocracy run by gangsters, many of whom are in the pockets of American imperialists. About a sixth of the country has been involved for eight years in a bloody civil war because the people there are Russian and want to secede. Bribery will get you whatever results you want in any election. Zelensky has closed down three TV stations which broadcast against him and imprisoned the leaders if the opposition. Sound like a free country to you? 8) Get rid of the Tories and what do you get? A few years of chaos as idealistic virtue signallers quarrel over which of them is the better person, that's what. I would dearly love to see the Tories replaced by an intelligent, committed Labour Party. But such a thing does not exist
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  19045.  @operationgoldfish8331  Oddly enough I find myself in agreement with much of what you say. I hold no truck with the present government and, as I think I have already said, I would dearly love to see Labour resume its traditional role of keeping the worse Tory hyenas out of things as far as possible. You seem to agree that unrestricted immigration has an effect on wage levels, yet in practically the same breath you say your own reduced circumstances are due to "austerity." Surely the government can only keep public sector wages low by ensuring a supply of cheap foreign labour? I also agree with you that playing the immigration card so heavily was tactical, but given the facts as we know them, has it no relevance? In any case this does not enter into my own assessment as my concerns are and always have been geopolitical. and this rather tends to put the economic and labour-relations aspects of EU membership in the shade. As you can imagine I have many arguments with Europhiles and you do seem to be quite sharply divided on the question of federalist intent. To my mind the battle has been fought, in the public arena at least, pretty much exclusively on economic issues. There are those, like you, who seem to say that this so, and that the EU is purely a trading bloc. Others insist that political unity has been the intention from the word go. I have to say that the latter view seems to be prevailing at the moment and it certainly conforms with the organisational structure of the EU. To put it simply I do not wish my grocer to dictate how I run my private affairs, and even if this means dearer groceries, then that's how it has to be. I especially don't want to be expected to don a tin hat and pick up my gun because my grocer wants to expand into another town and is being prevented from doing so. The "we" who were expecting a bumpy ride are those of us who realised that the EU would not let us go willingly, and would place every economic obstacle inn our path. Brexit is a long-term project and if it has been sold to the public as a quick fix -well that's politics. As far as I'm concerned the Council of Europe and the European Declaration of Human Rights can go hang. If the stench of war drifts across the channel Britain has no obligation to respond. Comparing GB with Ukraine is absurd. Ukraine is a sovereign nation on paper only. At least a sixth of it wants to break away and join Russia, All elections and referenda are fixed and the current President has jailed the opposition leaders and closed down TV stations which dare speak out against him. He is a puppet of the CIA in a far more realistic sense than the Tories are puppets of Putin.
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  19174.  @brianperry  The presenters are generally not better informed they are just trained to humiliate the less articulate. By coincidence someone has just posted a very sensible and detailed analysis of the present situation on this very thread. If you would like to be better informed I suggest you take time to read it. Mark Edwards 16 minutes ago Wow !!! I am very sorry Phil but this is terrible. You sound like someone who has just spent the last 24 hours sat in front of MSM soaking it all up. In the spirit of unbias media, I must dissect your video point by point. 1) Putin's Coup in Ukraine has been very softly, softly, due to international condemnation. You clearly are quite ignorant about Russia's military power. If NATO confronted Russia conventionally, it would not be a clear cut outcome. That is against the combined might of USA, UK, France, Italy, Germany, and all other members. Why do you think NATO are shrinking away from defending Ukraine? Because they are nice guys and don't want to hurt Russia? Because they are good people and don't want to contravene UN rules? The fact that western media, including A Different Bias, is portraying Russia as weak, is going to be devastating for Ukraine. The softly softly approach will end. And you will eat your words. I estimate 48 hours max now, before the full force of Russia descends on Kiev. 2) You seem to be completely unaware, that this all started in 2014, before which there was a democratic pro-Russian government in Ukraine, when a NATO backed Coup D'Etat took place in Ukraine, installing Poroshenko, and smaller neo-Nazi parties into government, who have since embarked on a massive programme of privatisation in Ukraine, which has been sold off piece by piece to foreign interests. What do you think people like Hunter Biden, and London based oligarchs were all doing in Ukraine at the time? Having a nice little holiday? Read up on it and educate yourself before you get on your soap box. Just like in the UK, the huge majority of Ukrainians have been impoverished by these capitalist policies. In Ukraine today, there are approximately 10 million people (middle class) who have done well out of selling the country off. Mostly around Kiev. But there are 30 million who most certainly have not. These people remain pro-Russian. 3) Germany. Following the tragedy that was World War 2, Germany was banned from operating a non defensive military, indefinitely. This policy was and continued to be, the reasoning behind the formation and remit of The United Nations. It was not a time based penalty. I can't believe a British man can sit on his channel, and basically be an apologist for World War 2 Nazi's. "Let's forget Germany's distant past" (in living memory !!!). And actually get excited about German remilitarisation. And incidentally, do you know the Russian human toll for ending World War 2? Britain tragically lost about 450,000 citizens and soldiers to the conflict. Russia? 24 million ! I cannot think of any one thing which will inflame the situation more, or incentivise Russian aggression more, bar dropping a bomb on Moscow. Germany did not "adopt a far less interventionist attitiude". They were banned from non defensive militarisation. And still are. To suggest otherwise is profoundly ignorant. 4) You seem to think that the Russian military is somehow impotent and will struggle to take Ukraine if they wished. That is horrendously dangerous propoganda. "They will struggle to take Ukraine, let alone an EU country." Here are some wake up facts for you Phil. Russian battle tanks : 14,000 (est) Ukraine battle tanks : 2,400 (est) UK battle tanks : 227 (est) USA Battle tanks : 7,300 (est) Russian troops : 3,600,000 Ukraine troops : 400,000 UK troops : 110,000 USA troops : 2,200,000 Russian military aircraft : 3,900 Ukraine military aircraft : 207 UK military aircraft : 511 US military aircraft : 5,200 Russia nuclear missiles : 6,300 Ukraine nuclear missiles : 0 UK nuclear missiles : 225 USA nuclear missiles : 5,600 NATO exists for a reason ! 5) Russia counteracting the aggressive expansion of NATO is "cobblers". When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1990, the former Soviet Republics did not force Russia to to leave. Russia could have crushed any one of them with ease. (As with The British Empire). Russia effectively gave them their independance. The agreement with NATO (and I clearly remember this) is that NATO would not seek territory "one inch further". Here is a list of former Soviet Bloc countries that have been allowed to join NATO. Albania Bulgaria Czech Republic Slovak Republic Slovenia Croatia Estonia Latvia Lithuania Hungary Poland Romania and now proposed Ukraine. And remember, this is all within just 30 years. NATO has "militarised" every single one of those countries. But of course, NATO military expansion is "cobblers". But let's not stop there. A list of Russian invasions, coups, and interventions since the break up of the Soviet Union. Syria Chechyna Georgia And by comparison, here is a list of invasions, coups, and interventions by NATO members since the break up of the Soviet Union. Iraq (twice) Rwanda Yugoslavia Nepal Afghanistan Liberia Ethiopia Guinea Bissau Phillipines Venezuela Syria Iran Libya Colombia Haiti Ukraine Yemen Palestine I think aggressive is a comparative term. I do not support Russia's attempted coup in Ukraine. But at least I understand it. And I certainly am not a supporter of NATO and its horrendous belligerent exceptionalism. Before we condemn Russia, and conduct hypocritical hand wringing over the few hundred Ukrainian casualties, maybe we should spare a thought for the over one million dead or maimed Iraqis. The estimated 500,000 dead Afghans, the complete destruction of Libya, the destruction of Palestinian people, the massacre of the Irish, the genocide in North America, or the continuing millions of starving families in Yemen. That, I don't understand. But let's not talk about that. Let's talk about Russia defending itself from a known aggressor on its border. Disgraceful.
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  19396.  @willmalin3752  You are a good example o someone who has been conned by the political and media establishment, driven hysterical with fear because of this interloper into their cosy, profitable world. I used to be like you myself until a couple of years ago when I became suspicious - and rather irritated by the endless childish smears. Trump never thought it was a good idea to inject bleach. He never said anything of the kind. This is just one example of the way his sometimes clumsy turn of speech, edited by the hideous MSM, has been turned into a myth. The Covid 19 pandemic is no myth, but it is nothing like as bad as we were told to expect and it is now receding by the day. Once again, figures have been grossly exaggerated by Trump's enemies in a bid to make him take the blame for something which is not his fault. As I expect you have read, Covid 19 has only directly killed 6% of the "death toll". Of the rest it is impossible to say how many had their lives shortened by the virus. What it is possible to say is that the vast majority- over 90%% - were elderly or already suffering from a severe medical condition. This means that the odds of anyone catching the disease in anything like a severe or fatal form are very small indeed. The people gathered to listen to Trump are probably a great deal more aware of the actual risks than those driven insane by anti-Trump propaganda. Having investigated the situation thoroughly myself, with objective evidence untainted by the fear-mongering of the media, I would have no hesitation in attending such a rally. There is more risk of dying in a road accident on the way to and from such a rally than there is of catching a fatal dose of coronavirus while there.
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  19397.  @willmalin3752  Have you? Look at the entire video of the "bleach" news conference instead of the chopped version. Read a transcript of his actual words. Both are readily available on the Internet. You will find that Trump had been confused by the preceding speaker, a Homeland Security guy, who used the terms "inject" and "disinfect" in their military sense; inject not in the sense of sticking a needle in his arm but in the way I might say I am trying to inject a little commonsense into this conversation and "disinfect" in the sense that soldiers say they are going to disinfect an area of the enemy. This confused Trump who asked a rambling and largely incoherent question in an attempt to get his head round what he thought he had heard. It is quite clear from the context that up until that point the idea that the virus might be treated by injecting disinfectant hadn't crossed his mind and he was as gobsmacked at the notion as anyone might be. To then turn this into a piece of anti-Trump propaganda saying he was telling people to inject household bleach is just one egregious example of the vicious, unthinking and immoral behaviour of his opponents. Another equally immoral and disgusting example is the way the media and the Democrats have sought to blame the Covid 19 pandemic on Trump. No-one has got this right and Trump has done no worse than anybody. One thing that is worth mentioning is his endorsement of hydroxychloroquine. So corrupt and vicious are the Orange Man Bad lunatics that this extremely useful drug was immediately vilified and even banned in some states and countries. False test studies were carried out using absurdly huge doses given far too late and the drug was claimed to be both useless and dangerous. Those tests have now been exposed as lies and proper tests using small doses given in the very early stages of the disease show that it reduces deaths by at least a third. The media and the Democrats were responsible for the deaths of a few people who swallowed bleach. They are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people all over the world because of their attack on hydroxychloroquine. No tweet of Trump's has ever done that.
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  19668.  @slinkymotion  I would still suggest that the cost of lockdowns outweighs their benefits - in all cases. In the countries you mention it is far from certain that swift lockdowns have been the sole cause of the lack of impact. Even if this was the case those countries, such as the UK, which failed to act swiftly have missed the boat and lockdowns achieve very little once the virus has appeared in large numbers. Increased viral load is caused by repeated infections over a short period. The viruses themselves do not vary in "potency" to any great degree. Someone who is infected from a variety of sources while working in an enclosed space is likely to find their immune systems not up to the task of dealing with repeated attacks. This is why taxi drivers and bus drivers have had such a relatively high fatality rate. Bringing ward nurses and even nursing assistants up to ICU standard can be achieved in a matter of months - less if their expertise is directed towards dealing with patients in one particular category - in this case severe respiratory infections. The deaths of 90 years in first world countries and malnourished children in developing countries ARE closely related in this instance. If the first world country's economic output is slowed down in order to stop 90-year olds from dying (or at least to stop politicians being embarrassed by the fact) and the consequence is death-induced poverty in countries reliant upon such economies, how could it be otherwise? And I'm not even on to conspiracy theories yet. The hysterical over-reaction to this relatively mild disease may indeed be a result of mere incompetence and lack of courage on the part of our leaders - but there is no doubt that it paving the way for a new, repressive form of society. A New World Order, in fact.
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  19669.  @slinkymotion  What governments have done fits exactly with the plans of those who propose the Great Reset and the New World Order -which is what is so troubling. Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum has said quite clearly that the coronavirus pandemic is an opportunity not to be missed. On the scale of worldwide diseases Covid 19 isn't even in the top league. Yet we have never responded to a serious illness in this way before. In terms of years of life lost it scores far lower than many influenzas; but lockdowns were not introduced in order to deal with them They burned themselves out - eventually aided by vaccines of course, but no-one would have thought to take these drastic measures in 1969 say when the Hong Kong Flu was doing far more damage than Covid 19. We are living in a world where naturally occurring events are being used as bogey-men to frighten us into submission. This is something I believe should be strongly resisted. The wealthy few have grown wealthier and more powerful thanks to governments' hysterical response to this disease, while the poor have grown poorer. And yes we should very much consider the broader impacts of our actions. It would be immoral to do otherwise. As far as dealing with a pandemic such as this one the only lesson that can be learned is that to do too much of the wrong things will only make matters worse. There is actually a strong case to be made to suggest that, in many countries at least, merely adhering to simply hygiene rules and with some attention paid to social distancing and crowd sizes the epidemic would be over by now and with actually fewer deaths and severe outcomes than have actually occurred. Lockdowns cause new strains to come into dominance apart from anything else.
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  19674. @Sean Embry The relationship between Rittenhouse and political figures is mutually beneficial. He seems a great deal more cool-headed than he has been portrayed and could well have a long-term political future. Chatting to Trump and being nominated for the Congressional Medal of Honour is perhaps just the beginning. To those of us in despair at the brainwashed stupidity of today's youth he is a ray of light in the darkness. Sure, how much Sandmann got is not publicly known, but you can bet it wasn't small change. Rittenhouse could be up for more - but US courts are utterly unpredictable. I'd say it was well worth the gamble though. After all, it's the politicians and their backers who will be paying the lawyers, not him. I absolutely love the confusion about the OK sign. You realise of course that this long-established gesture was commandeered by 4Chan to make fools of ignorant libtards. And they are still falling for it. I'm quite surprised at you. It doesn't mean White Power - it just means "aren't lefties idiots?" I do hope none of the women of your acquaintance shaved their heads to mourn George Floyd, by the way. That was another good one. What's a WS rally? How is it defined? And does anyone attending one have to be a white supremacist? Can't you just be an intelligent teenager assessing all sides of the issue? Don't forget the FBI found nothing to suggest Rittenhouse was a white supremacist. They seem a rare breed, lurking in the swamps and trailer parks of the South, much like the KKK, which seems to have about as many members as a small town knitting circle: bogeymen to frighten fragile snowflakes and keep Democrats on the plantation. None of them would stand much chance in an argument with a Jesuit.
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  19849.  @DavidMoxham957  The point I am making is that the elite billionaires who want to rule rule the world have taken Marxist strategies on board to further their aims. Modern capitalism, with its emphasis on hedge fund manipulation rather than industrial investment, needs large sections of the population to be directed according to immediate requirements and Marxists are old hands at this. This why modern investors buy mayors and DA's in US cities and finance organisations like BLM and Antifa. Marxists, especially those of the French school, have built upon techniques employed by Stalin and his successors. They have made them less crude and bloodthirsty but the principles are the same: control of information through education and the media, reward for the compliant and punishment and ostracisation for those who fail to fulfil the roles demanded of them. Trump has intervened in this process by reflecting the somewhat ill-defined objections so many innately conservative people have to the changes they see going on around them. He is, in the words of George Soros " a temporary inconvenience." He has been successfully demonised in the eyes of the gullible, but he is just an ordinary Joe who rather fancied being President and when he managed it set about trying to turn back the clock. This clearly could not be tolerated, and he had to go. Now we have Biden, deliberately inserted in order that his incompetence leads to further disintegration of old school capitalism from the ruins of which a Brave New World is expected to emerge. The Capitol riot was supposed to be a protest. It only went tits up when FBI agents planted in the crowd kicked the door in. Visit Here Is The Evidence for a couple of thousand items relating to the 2020 election scam.
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  19858.  @funbarsolaris2822  You have failed to understand the very important developments which have led to an unholy alliance between Marxism and New World Order capitalism. Why do you think George Soros finances the election of extreme left-wing mayors and DAs in US cities? Why do you think the World Economic Forum recommends systems of social organisation which are simply the Soviet system of administration writ large? Marxism and capitalism have reached a compromise. You only have to look at China to see that. I am not trolling. The movement of capital to increase wealth has moved on from simple investment in industrial production organised by private individuals and consortia into areas where state - and eventually world - control is paramount. This means that the volatility created by democratically elected changes of government cannot be allowed to continue - not in the long run. In the meantime the principle of reflexivity can be used to inject carefully consider instabilities into various national economies, thus producing vast immediate profits as currencies fluctuate. The instabilities lead to discontent and dissent and thus pave the way for revolution - but a very controlled and ordered one. The very, very rich get even richer, but at the same time the world moves towards a structured economy as envisaged by Marx, in which labour is recognised as an asset and is rewarded accordingly and appropriately. The New World Order and Marxism thus have at least two shared objectives -the removal of private ownership and individual entrepreneurs and the abandonment of democratic elections. Old school capitalism, typified as you rightly say by the policies of Thatcher and Reagan, is considered to be a thing of the past. It is just too messy and unpredictable. It is time to move on.
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  19861.  @timothyharris4708  No links. The YouTube algorithm is a tricky beast and I suspect that even mentioning certain items of hardware used in elections gets your post deleted. It happens in other areas too. Sickening really. Yup. Diamond and Silk and all the other black American YouTubers who support Trump seem to me to give considerable refutation to the suggestion that Trump is a racist. The Democrats are scared to death of losing the black vote and so this is just one of the many accusations in the relentless campaign of vilification against him - accusations I myself believed for the first two years of his Presidency. My reasoned argument is that because Donald Trump has not risen through the usual messy political channels he owes nothing to anybody, and he has no skeletons in his cupboard, and despite the most absurd efforts to do so, none can be created. I get the impression that American Presidents are usually taken aside shortly after inauguration and told what they must do -or else. There was no "or else" in Trump's case. As a property developer he was used to giving bribes -not taking them. He is, of course, a man of many faults but he has one outstanding virtue -he is not a career politician. He is quite an ordinary person really. He has second son syndrome of course - like a number of English monarchs -and is under pressure to fill the shoes his elder brother was destined to wear. He is, in short, not a creature of the swamp as Biden is and Obama was. He is his own man, not a front man. and they don't like that. One can add to these observations the further perception that the ceaseless and repetitive "Orange Man Bad" propaganda which continues to assail us is of very low quality, as these things go. Nothing stands up. All you get is school yard accusations of this and that. Nothingburgers, as the Americans say. In the end it defeats its own object -at least if you examine it long and carefully enough, as I have done and you obviously haven't. So this is my serious process of thought - or vapid scribblings if you prefer. Conspiracy theories are rapidly becoming just conspiracies these days, but I don't suppose you've noticed.
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  19867.  @funbarsolaris2822  We are somewhat at cross purposes. Left wing politics, as typified by Sanders and Corbyn, goes on its merry way entirely removed from reality- as it more or less always has been since the end of World War II at least. I am talking about academic neo- Marxism, largely developed in France and Germany in the 50s and 60s. This is of course entirely different to old school socialism, which has become rather stuck in a political backwater after brief earlier successes in the first half of the 20th century, and which has anyway generally backed away from Marxist principles. By the time Reagan and Thatcher came along this form of socialism had fallen into stagnation - as all economic and political philosophies do. They require constant revision. Capitalism has revised itself by taking on some Marxist precepts and Marxism has revised itself by accepting capitalism as an inevitable feature of human conduct. The result has been the New World Order and the Great Reset. Marxists can with a clear conscience accept the principle of economic growth through the manipulation of capital, as long as it is accompanied by what they perceive as an equitable distribution of benefits. Capitalists are grateful for the benefits of having a compliant workforce, and modern technology ensures that all proceedings can be closely monitored. Thus the elitist technocrat can enjoy the lifestyle to which he/she feels entitled, secure in the knowledge that the lives of his/her minions are reasonably comfortable and well ordered, and that all dissent can be met with withdrawal of privileges. Capital and labour are at one at last. We are all equal, but some are more equal than others. Neither the small-time factory owner nor the Labourite shop steward have any place in this new arrangement. Both are defunct. No-one owns anything any more, in fact. Rational decisions as to the distribution of resources and means of production are taken according to principles generally embedded in computer programs and everyone is allocated goods and services appropriate to the contribution they make to the common weal. You are somewhat nostalgic, I think, and nostalgia has no real place in this brave new world cooked up by the World Economic Forum and which is coming slowly but surely into existence even as we speak - or look with tearful eyes at old films of old struggles, now long past.
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  19868.  @funbarsolaris2822  As I say, this is a somewhat outdated view, The dilemmas and conflicts of interest you outline here are entirely apparent to capitalists as they are to academic Marxists. Both sides know there is no point in trying to settle matters by constantly swinging back and forth between low regulation, low taxation free markets economies and high regulation, high taxation centrally controlled ones. It gets us nowhere. Marxism isn't about milking the rich to feed the poor, as some people seem to think. It's essentially about regulating economies in order that society is kept on an even keel, and that in order to do this it is essential that those who directly create genuine increased value - ie the workforce - are maintained in a sufficiently stable condition to enable them to do so. Marxism in its original form suggested that the best way to do this was to give the workforce control of the means of production by transferring ownership of property and capital to the state. This clearly has not worked because such a system is unresponsive to subtle and sudden changes in the market and general conditions. The solution you seem to favour -one which essentially forces the workforce to act as a parasite on the economy to a degree which bears no relation to whatever input it makes, is equally unworkable - once again as experience has shown. I think you are confusing Marxism with liberal socialism which merely seeks a relationship with capitalism. Marxism wants to subsume it and we are now in a situation whereby capitalism has become so esoteric that it is quite capable of being so subsumed without affecting the wealth of the elite who understand the alchemy involved.
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  19882. Anthony Edo, "The Impact of Immigration on the Labor Market", Journal of Economic Surveys, Vol. 33 (2019), pp. 922-948. Similar in content to the National Academies’ chapters, this review paper takes a more international perspective. After considering over 50 studies of immigration in developed countries, the author concludes that “immigration can create winners and losers among the native-born workers”. Because low-skill immigration tends to make low-skill natives the “losers” and high-skill natives the “winners”, rising inequality is a natural consequence. This conclusion stands in stark contrast to the advocates’ position that “there is no evidence that immigrants hurt any American workers”. While some Americans gain from immigration, others certainly do lose. Joseph Price, Christian vom Lehn, and Riley Wilson, "The Winners and Losers of Immigration: Evidence from Linked Historical Data", NBER Working Paper Series, No. 27156 (2020). Updated 2023. This paper acknowledges the winner-loser framework right in its title. The authors use genealogical data to track millions of men between decennial censuses in the early 20th century. Following these individuals allows the authors to improve upon past research that focused only on community-level impacts of immigration. They find that older and higher-skilled workers were the “winners” — their incomes tended to go up when immigrants entered their local labor market. By contrast, younger and less-skilled workers were the “losers” — they were more likely to move away and suffer income losses as a result of immigration. In the modern-day context, CIS has emphasized that immigration tends to have strong disemployment effects on the youngest and least-skilled Americans of all: teenagers.
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  20157.  @timothyharris4708  I recommend you take at a look at a recent contribution to this thread by James valpuesta, who puts the case for the tactics used far better than I. Others with a knowledge of military history also hold to the view. Sun Tzu's "Art of War" details the technique also. Setting fire to many villages while concentrating on surrounding your main target is designed to divert and weaken the enemy. It has the added advantage - clearly illustrated by your own reaction - of making the enemy believe he is winning because you have left the villages without sacking them. The actual armaments used and the end results give added credence. Russia could have bombed Kiev into oblivion. Instead it surrounded it and pounded away at the suburbs with relatively light artillery. The end result has been a considerable loss of ground war materiel by the Ukrainians. Russia has lost a lot too, more than it hoped but no more than in their worse case scenario. As long as they settle on a front between themselves and the Ukrainians in the west and north they can defend it with missile and air cover and Ukraine has little left to attack it with. In chess terms, phase one has involved several sacrifices, but it has left Russia in a stronger position than Ukraine. As for the new-look world order as outlined by Lavrov, it addresses the whole concept of "sovereignty" as much as anything. It is a word that has been tossed about a lot lately but the somewhat clumsy definition currently prevalent merely adds up to "you are a country because America says you are". That's not good enough. Other criteria come into play. And yes, in some instances they do include an adherence to a national religion- at least on the surface. You do not seem to realise that Russia -along with China, Brazil, India and South Africa - are the strongest emerging world economies at the moment. America is crumbling from within and will have to be replaced as a major world power before very long. The BRICS alliance might well fit the bill.
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  20158.  @timothyharris4708  James valpuesta James valpuesta 12 hours ago I have family & friends in both Ukraine & Russia so I get to read news and learn of facts that are censured or ignored by our media. So I will add a little more fact and context. I do not support Russia's invasion. The invasion of another country by a super power is immoral and against all laws but the UK always supports the USA when it does this.... The Moskva was hit by missiles or by some other means. Russia admitted this two days after saying it spontaneously caught fire. The Moskva was 40 years old, did not have a sprinkler system like modern ships and was well overdue for the scrap yard. It is an embarrassing but not a great loss. Check out some war strategy books. Kiev and Kharkiv could not be taken with the puny forces they were surrounded by. It has taken a force of 15 - 20,000 to take the super heavily defended Mauripol by Russian forces which was defended by the renowned force of the Nazi Azzov trained and supplied to NATO standards by Canadian & British soldiers and our SAS !! Mouripol has been under control mostly by Russian forces for the last two weeks. We only get this information these past few days. Two weeks ago Macron was zooming Putin asking him to allow a special extraction of personnel. Putin refused. There are numerous western NATO military personnel trapped in the Azvostal steel Plant. Probably French and others... This would seem to be a good reason not to eradicate the plant. Wait for the embarrassment when Russia parades the western personel that will eventually emerge from here. The Ukrainian Army has lost eight scarce helicopters trying to evacuate guys from the plant. Two Frenchmen have been picked up alive from one downed helicopter. A hired Turkish dry goods ship was disabled and captured trying to sneak in to a nearby docking area to evacuate guys also ten days ago... For a force to invade a fortified city you need to outnumber the defenders 3 or 4 to one: see Mouripol events or look up typical American battles in Iraq. Russia's army surrounding Kiev and Kharkiv a few weeks ago were purely diversionary to stop Ukraine adding to its major forces in the South East Donbass. Russia's entire invading forces so far have just numbered 190,000 - 200,000. Russia has no intention of taking over the entire Ukraine. Russian forces are presently slowly but surely eradicating the Ukrainian forces as I write this. Wether this takes 4-6 or eight weeks is just according to how much food and munitions the Ukrainian Army has. The result will just be the same. Ukraine has no fuel bases left ; all bombed out and all supply lines are cut. Russia managed to ensure Ukraine spread it forces by defending Kiev and Kharkiv and Odessa etc. Unfortunately Zilensky is a prisoner of the USA NATO and The EU and is not allowed to make his own decisions. He has not been allowed to agree to a peace treaty and save Ukrainianale youth. Never mind he has his $55 million Vila in Florida to escape to or his £35 million villa in Switzerland when the USA decide they need to extract him and a nice amount of money of shored by the CIA and Kolomoisky for him. Russia is suffering inflation and a few shortages but they will get over it in 6-12 months. Putin has increased pensions and other social service payments. Russia has a mega balance of payments surplus despite having half of its central bank funds stolen by the USA $ 320 billion !! If Europe stops buying Russian fuel within a year it's industry will and economy will implode. Last month Germany announced 30.9 % cost inflation at the factory gate. Germany is the powerhouse of European Industry. Just wait and see what will happen if Russia decides to retaliate against western sanctions by imposing its own by refusing to sell us foodstuffs and fuel and timber and metals and and.... Russia Holds the ace cards. There are plenty of customers around the world in need of their commodities.
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  20199.  @AGDinCA  Off we go then I'm British, not American and I'm quite incredibly old. I'm not a scientist. I was an investigative journalist for many years and I know what a rat smells like. I smelt a rat when the videos put out by the Frontline Doctors were whipped off all social media with such alacrity. The world is full of wicked people who will do absolutely anything for money. It didn't take long for me to find out more or less what Dr Campbell has just revealed here but, being the cynical old bastard that I am I decided to follow the money. It became clear that a campaign of deliberate misinformation has been mounted against hydroxychloroquine treatments and that this has been done because it is an incredibly cheap method of diminishing the effects of Covid 19. This fact immediately reduces the profitability of expensive medications being developed and put on the market by the big pharmaceutical companies' To put it briefly I became convinced that hydroxychloroquine must be good stuff simply because a lot of nasty, greedy selfish people were insisting that it wasn't. My researches have confirmed this. I was utterly convinced after an entirely false and misleading article was planted in the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet which led to the drug being banned in many counties and research programmes being abandoned. The article was exposed as a fraud after a few weeks but the damage had been done. Thousands of lives have been needlessly lost due to these evil actions, and that makes me very angry. My only HCQ beliefs are those which are confirmed by the studies which show that without doubt that if used correctly it can save very many lives. (I am a reluctant atheist and if I was an American I would regard Donald Trump as an unlikely saviour of the values of Western enlightenment democracy and would vote for him without question.) There's a mountain of technical information at the bottom of this video, but I have plenty more should you wish to see it.
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  20206.  @myonline1985  That isn't the decision. People can become infected, vaccinated or not. There are pros and cons on both sides. If you choose to become vaccinated that's fine. Your chances of becoming infected are reduced and your symptoms if you do become infected will probably be milder than otherwise. At the same time if you are very elderly or obese or suffer from conditions such as diabetes or hypertension you may well still die. Even regardless of these you may still suffer a severe outcome. If one good thing comes from this pandemic it ought to be finding out more about why a minority of people suffer more and longer than others after a pathogenic respiratory infection. At the moment it seems to be just a lottery. The disadvantage of this approach is that since the vaccines wear off so quickly, and at unpredictable rates, many people are walking about unaware of having covid in an asymptomatic form and thus being infectious. Also the route towards herd immunity is considerably lengthened by mass vaccination. People who choose to be unvaccinated will be most probably be aware within two or three days that they are infected and can isolate accordingly. If they have access to palliative drugs and are in reasonable health the chances are high that they will be able to shrug off the illness just as easily as a vaccinated person. A vaccinated infectious person can go for a considerable length of time without realising they are spreading the disease. This is the main reason why infections increase in highly vaccinated populations, but decrease in less vaccinated populations once a certain level of infection has been reached.
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  20343.  @Dionysos640  PS.This comment from an HGV driver further down this stream summarises the situation far better than I can. I have taken the liberty of copying it, in case you have not come across it. Simon Goddard 1 hour ago As a HGV driver I find this rhetoric so irritating. There is no driver shortage for companies that employ, pay and offer decent working conditions. The shortage is typically in retail where the business model is to use mainly agency drivers to avoid all the responsibilities and commitments of employing someone properly. Many large retailers fleets and warehousing operations are actually operated by gig economy companies like DHL and the like just running the trucks in the retailers livery with agency drivers they make no commitment to. The other shortage is long distance or ‘tramping’ work where drivers are away all week. This used to be a well paid job but in the main is now salary paid not hourly. A minimum of 60 hours ( the legal limit) will be expected but in many cases an 80 hour week is not unusual. This is possible thanks to what is called ‘period of availability’ add ons which were brought in years ago to appease greedy operators and basically means waiting time can be added to the 60 hours. Pay for ‘tramping’?...typically around £600 per week...you do the maths for an 80 hour week. This used to suit EU drivers who came here to work and just lived in the cab the whole time to earn a good wage comparable to what they could get at home, not so appealing to a UK driver with a home to go to. All these bad practices are now coming back to bite the exploitative part of the industry on the arse.
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  20398.  @Andrew-ob5ij  I don't know what you mean by the East but the expansion of NATO has been unremittingly Eastwards. Ukraine's membership would put NATO troops on Russia's doorstep. Sweden and Finland are in an unenviable position. They can apply for membership in the hope this will prevent Putin invading, but this very act could provoke him into doing so. Analogies are dangerous, but with reference to Ireland you might imagine the situation in Ukraine as having some resemblance to that in Ireland before partition except for the fact that it is the Republic in charge and the Northern Irish want to rejoin Britain. All referendums and elections in Russia and Ukraine are subject to extreme levels of corruption and Russian troops were indeed in residence at the time the votes were taken. "The referendum asked local populations whether they wanted to join Russia as a federal subject, or if they wanted to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine. The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 83 percent voter turnout, and within the local government of Sevastopol there was also a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 89 percent voter turnout" From Wikipedia. As I said, the country that was created in 1991 has no coherent history. These two parts of it that wish to escape contain populations which wish to do so -and which have the moral right to do so. I do not seek to justify Putin's invasion, other than to point out that he may have sound reasons for it. It is a matter of self-preservation as much as anything.
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  20399.  @Andrew-ob5ij  Thank you for this explanation. I'm afraid I do find you quite hard to understand sometimes, but this post is more or less comprehensible. You make your position very clear and you are obviously well-informed. I hope you will forgive me, but I have wondered if perhaps English is not your first language. Or is it that you are simply a product of America's broken education system? Anyhow, I hear what you say and respect your opinions but I must repeat that I disagree with your interpretations of events and circumstances in most cases. More to the point, I believe that the current wave of anti-Russian hysteria is extremely dangerous for world peace. There has been nothing like this degree if outrage when Putin has conducted similar operations in Chechnya and Georgia, and even protests against America's nefarious activities in Iraq and elsewhere have been muted in comparison. My view, for what it's worth, is that we in the West had best let Russia and Ukraine sort this out between them. Essentially it is a border dispute of a kind that has affected the world throughout history. It is best not to meddle. The best result will be a swift result, and that means a Russian victory. The alternative is a prolonged and bloody war. If is possible that Putin may be overthrown. Indeed this whole thing could be part of a plot to achieve this, but I doubt both. The acid test will be what happens when and if Russia wins. I very much hope that Putin will be satisfied if his demands are met: recognition of Georgia as part of the Russian Federation and removal of sanctions, recognition of the independence of the two Donbass republics and firm assurances that Ukraine will not join NATO. If he continues to occupy Ukraine or attempts adventures elsewhere then you will be right and I will be wrong. Peace.
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  20400.  @Andrew-ob5ij  You've got a cheek! You've done little but insult me throughout this exchange. All I've done is politely enquire if there is some reason why you often express yourself so badly and ungrammatically. Do you suffer from some mental illness? Are you on drugs? Apart from insults and incomprehensible assertions your diatribes just go over the same points again and again. I think I have answered all that I can be expected to understand. You seem to confuse disagreement with incomprehension. You are completely wrong about Ukraine not seeking NATO membership until after the 2014 annexation of Crimea. Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008. Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election but were later revived. You may be correct about no non national NATO troops being stationed on Eastern Europe prior to 2014. That is scarcely the point. The fact that these countries provide immediately accessible jumping-off points for aggressive action against Russia is provocation enough. The fact that these countries now possess advanced capability missile delivery systems and other hardware, courtesy of NATO, doesn't help either. I don't care who wins this war. I only want it to end quickly. As I explained in my last post, a swift Russian victory is the best way to achieve this. All other solutions are fraught with immense danger for the rest of the world. Yes, it will show that the exercise of force achieves results. But everyone with a grain of sense knows this already.
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  20510.  @yosserc  You are so way off beam, you poor innocent fool. The BBC and the Guardian are independent of nothing. They are linked to a system which allows little or no deviation from an agreed agenda. I'm not suggesting they have any direct connection with big pharma, but their psychotic hatred of Donald Trump makes them easy prey to machinations of the sort currently in play The world is a very wicked place. There are people who will do anything for money. Absolutely anything. They just need people like you not to believe it can be so. Hydroxycloroquine is one of the safest drugs in the world. It has been around for seventy years and is basically artificial quinine, The recommended prophylactic dose is two tablets A WEEK taken in conjunction with zinc. This combination denies territory to the virus, especially in the lungs. The tests you mention involved given patients already suffering advanced symptoms quite huge doses twice a DAY. This was pointless since the virus was by that stage already replicating in the lungs. It could also well have been very dangerous. I strongly suspect this was a deliberate ploy. I am no expert in the methods used by pharmaceutical companies to gain financial advantage but I imagine doing research into rival products and vamping up dosages to unsafe levels would be one of them. As I say the world is a very wicked place. I know this because having been a journalist for over thirty years I have met some very wicked people. Most of them were men and women who were in the business of setting up cults in order to bleed people dry of all their money in return for false and spurious promises of spiritual enlightenment. I may not know much about pharmaceutical companies, but I know a lot about brainwashing.
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  20799.  @michaeldunham3385  It is NATO's fault. America has its eye on Ukraine's vast mineral resources and has used its lackeys in a bid to get them. As I explained, Russia had little choice but to launch a pre-emptive strike and Ukraine had little choice but to resist. The fault lies with the politicians and the oligarchs who allowed the situation to develop in the first place - prompted largely by personal greed, it has to be said. And what on earth kind of threat is Russia presenting to NATO? It just wants it off its back porch, that's all. Crimea and Eastern Ukraine were taken from the Turks by the Russian Empire back at the start of the the 18th century. The Russian Empire became the core of the Soviet Union and Ukraine became a semi-autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, ultimately subservient to Moscow. Eastern Ukraine was added on shortly afterwards and Crimea as recently as 1954 - both purely for reasons of administrative convenience. They are both more Russian than Ukrainian in most important respects. There has always been a degree of friction between the two communities, changing in severity according to the march of history. Extreme Ukrainian nationalists now have a major influence and a process of "Ukrainianisation" has begun which increased these frictions. To your final point, you must realise that this war has brought into sharp focus a major shift in the balance of world power which had begun at least ten years before Russia invaded. The object of the exercise is to halt American expansionism, of which the Ukraine adventure is the latest example. To this end Russia, China and a host of other countries including Iran, the Gulf States and most of Africa and South America are attempting to create a new joint currency to replace the dollar in world trade, or at least to weaken it considerably. As this process develops you will find that countries which are already supporting Russia covertly will come out into the open.
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  20902.  @twmbwen1402  You are the victim of a series of myths. Putin's first military act consisted merely of helping foment the rebellions in Donbass back in 2014. Ukraine responded by sending in its army and Nazi paramilitaries to kill and torture separatists. NATO responded by financing, training and equipping a large professional army with the clear intention of using it to retake Donbass and Crimea. As for Crimea, to describe it as an "invasion" scarcely fits the bill. Crimea is predominantly Russian and the "invaders" were generally met with open arms. The army joined the Russian army practically as one. Since the annexation Putin has pumped billions into the area, making up for the neglect it has suffered at the hands of various anti-Russian governments based in Kiev. Crimea was only attached to Ukraine by the USSR as recently as 1954 for purely administrative and logistical reasons created by the Kerch Strait. Before that it had been Russian for more than 250 years. Before that it was Turkish. It is another myth to suppose that the times of "empirical" expansion have died out. America is continually attempting to expand its empire. Russia is not attempting imperial expansion, it is merely trying to protect its long-term investment in Ukraine from the depravations of US expansion. It is another myth to think of NATO as a purely defensive organisation. That is the sugar coating. It is, in fact, a cover for US aggrandisement, providing market places for the arms industry and the US military/industrial complex, as well as career opportunities for US general staff. Another myth is the lack of free speech in Russia. You can say more or less what you like, but physical acts of defiance and actual plots to overthrow the government are treated very harshly. Russia is a very volatile country, and anarchy is always only a few firebrands away. I suggest you might think about accessing the many YouTubers vlogging from Russia, both native Russians and Westerners who have moved there and find it preferable to the increasing chaos and decadence of Western society.
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  20903.  @twmbwen1402  I have had to rewrite and resubmit this reply, since I made the mistake of confessing to a certain allegation you made in your penultimate paragraph, and outlining my reasons for doing so. This is VERBOTEN! My post was deleted. And you think Russia practices censorship! Russia certainly suppresses media outlets which can cause disruption, but so too does Ukraine. I place little reliance on Russian state media, let alone "consume it with glee". There is no need to do so. Sensible and expert analysis is available from many sources. Americans include Professor John J Mearsheimer and Col Douglas Macgregor, while Indian outlets give far more detailed information than that provided by the frankly juvenile nonsense handed out for public consumption in the West. The Hindustan Times, Firstpoint and Amit Sengupta are worth a visit. Forgive me for saying so, but you do seemed to be trapped in a bit of an information bubble. As well as the above you might consider Patrick Lancaster for direct on-the-ground reportage of the conflict. He has been covering the war for eight years and is unquestionably pro-separatist, but has some stunning footage which has somehow escaped the censors. For day-by-day and entirely objective coverage of the war I recommend Defense Politics Asia. And then there are those ordinary, everyday YouTubers. Anna from Russia takes you shopping in the immense mall of her unpronounceable city in Siberia almost every day. That alone might broaden your outlook somewhat.
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  20920.  @captainswing4487  Concepts such as "systemic racism", "the patriarchy" , "gender pay gap", "intersectionality", "identity politics" and so on are not real things in the world. They are constructs brought into being by Marxist intellectuals over the past half century or so. They are empty shells, false categories, and the Left has to struggle constantly to find actual REAL things and incidents with which to fill these conceits. "Systemic racism" is a good example. There are simply insufficient examples of actual socially-ingrained racism existing at present to justify this category. So the poor Lefties have to delve into the past and end up throwing statues of perfectly respectable 18th century businessmen into rivers. That's the trouble with Socialism. It was conceived in the minds of people who weren't half as clever as they thought they were. Capitalism, for all its faults, is an evolved entity. Another problem for the Left is that Marxism needs an oppressed proletariat in order for the Revolution to begin. Since the real proletariat gave up on Marxism at about the same time as they stopped wearing clogs and flat caps this has left another gaping hole to be filled. Even black people are becoming increasingly reluctant to take on the job so once again the Left needs to blather on about the rights of people who are cross because they think they should have been born as the other sex and so on. These are are often very amusing colourful people, and make a good show at marches and demonstrations. I agree totally with you about social care and so on. It is the function of Socialists to prevent Tories from indulging in their time-honoured habits of grinding the faces of the poor into the dust. If Labour forgot all these other empty ideas - these falsehoods - and concentrated in this instead there is even a chance they might form a government some time in the distant future..
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  21163.  @nigelsynnott7344  1) My horse and cart are in the right order. In this day and age it is quite easy to advertise and apply for jobs via the Internet. Anyone arriving on these shores should be detained at point of entry and be required to offer proof of either a job or an interview. 2) As far as population size is concerned I can only cite surveys carried out by supermarket chains based upon consumption which put the population at around a third greater than the official figures. Also Google Earth shows areas in large cities where in immigrant areas back gardens are replaced by buildings used for habitation. Even if these two indications are suspect the fact that it is so difficult to get a GP appointment, that services of all kinds face huge queues and even that the sewage systems are failing show that population size is greater than that planned for. 3)Islam is a proselytizing religion committed to imposing itself wherever it finds itself. There are tried and tested techniques for this which have enabled Islam to be established as a governing force, There is no need for warfare or for forced conversions in the early stages of this process. A gradual takeover of social and governmental structures and the imposition of Shariah law are sufficient. It is a process which can take several generations to complete but once begun it is practically impossible to prevent. It has already begun in this country with seats on local authorities being won on religious grounds and police and service providers welcoming input from Moslem leaders because it makes their jobs so much easier.
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  21241. Bmanrichie I remain unembarrassed. You have just spouted the jargon the salesman told you when you bought the dodgy car. If curbing emissions reduces output and profitability (which it will) then you simply buy in more permissions on the cap and trade market. The people selling you these permissions are the same people who created the formula you quote in your first paragraph. I think you misunderstood me when I said "The people shouting the loudest" etc. I did not mean fossil fuel producers, who are well on top of the game. They play the cap and trade market too, often very successfully. What I meant was organisations like We Don't Have Time which shipped Greta to the US and also largely organised the school strike. The founders and board members of this organisation pretend to be eco-warriors. In fact they all have financial backgrounds. They are hedge fund managers. Greta was not discovered on a lonely protest vigil outside her school. She was selected by WDHT from the winners of an essay competition designed to find the "face" for the latest stage of their scam. She has been extensively trained and coached. Her Asperger's makes her an easily malleable actress.and I doubt very much that her parents, professional actors/singers themselves, would let her work for free. The MSM coverage of her activities in Europe has been widespread there. What is the real stinger is that it's looking increasingly likely that carbon doesn't cause global warming anyway. The science that says it does is all based on "models" of the atmosphere, ie educated guesses as to what it's actually like. New research using information directly obtained from the real world, using satellites and weather balloons, seems to show that these models bear as much resemblance to the real thing as a kiddies drawing with crayons on the side of a cardboard box does to a high-resolution photograph. In the real world carbon seems part of a sophisticated mechanism designed to regulate temperature, not an agent causing it to increase.
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  21611.  @johnh9449  Sorry, I didn't get the notification of your last two posts and have only just come across them by accident - and I am neither a troll nor am I embarrassed. Your conclusion that long covid affects 1 in 5 people regardless of age is clearly wrong and that is what I was referring to. The ONS figures are of course extrapolated from a simple unchecked survey involving 313,216 respondents. Given that probably it is mainly those who believe themselves to be suffering from long covid who are likely to respond the figures must be treated with care. The ONS itself draws attention to the drawbacks of this method: "This analysis is based on self-reported long COVID. Self-reported measures are subjective and reflect systematic differences between socio-demographic groups in terms of their likelihood to report symptoms given an underlying level of severity, as well as differences in severity." The ongoing survey being conducted by evidence-based medicine group ZOE paints a somewhat different picture. Their results are based on 45,000+ screened participants and access to 1.2million anonymous GP records. Not unexpectedly they find that long covid, as defined by life affecting debilitating symptoms, is experienced on a linear age pattern, as is the case with severe symptoms generally and deaths. They find that 1.2% of patients in their 20's are suffering from the condition, rising to 4.8% in those of middle age. As for your projected cases and deaths I'm not quite sure where you have got this from. Are you extrapolating yourself or has the ONS or some other body done it? It seems to be taking a great deal for granted to me. Simply because rates are doubling every nine days doesn't mean this will be a consistent curve -although of course it may well be. In the week ending June 7 there were 46,825 confirmed cases in the UK. Three weeks later, on the week ending June 28 there were 118 deaths. If one were to crudely assume that most (although not all) of these deaths had occurred from among those 46,825 cases ( allowing time for the infection to develop and the patient to die) this would give a death to case ratio of around .25%. Assuming 100,000 cases a day, as gloomily predicted, this would lead to 250 people dying on the day three weeks following. Once again though these relationships may change drastically in a short period of time. If I have got this all wrong please feel free to tell me - I may be embarrassed, but I will be grateful for any correction!
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  21615.  @johnh9449  I have no time for Johnson either, but a manslaughter charge is pushing it. He's no scientist and has been saddled with a bunch of advisors some of whom are pretty suspect, to say the least. I don't think SAGE had a single epidemiologist in its ranks at the start. They are a odd bunch of placemen, computer geeks and communists, most connected to Imperial College in one way or another and have never represented a broad swathe of opinion. Dithering has certainly been the problem but attributing 100,000 deaths to it is in no way reasonable. You're the mathematician, not me, but the curves seem to go their own sweet way and I can see no direct impact from either lockdowns or masking mandates. The number of viruses is so huge that as long as someone is within reach to be infected they are going to be infected and if they are weak enough they are going to die. Trying to hold the tide back only has a slowing down effect as far as I can see, with no long term effect on casualties. Things may even be made worse since delays give new variants time to take a hold. The UK had a large population of very elderly people standing by due to very mild flu seasons, and it has been they who have caught it. The largest single category of deceased has been males over 90 I believe. I suppose I am one of your swivel-eyed loons. The dreadful effects of lockdowns, both at home and in the Third World, far, far outweigh the possibility that they might have given a number of very old people a few more months of existence. More children and young people in Africa and elsewhere are dying or are going to die due to malnutrition, TB, malaria and so on than the unknown quantity of British OAPs who will be spared to sit looking at TV while attended by strangers for a year or two more. No, not a good deal in the general order of things.
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  21966.  @appstratum9747  Despite all this, Crimea has only a very tenuous relationship with modern Ukraine. As for elections and referendums, you must know as well as I do that such niceties are irrelevant in countries as corrupt as Ukraine and Russia. If Ukraine conducts them, Ukraine wins. If Russia conducts them, Russia wins. As for population, the same reservations must apply. All one can say is that between 60% and 70% identify as Russian, depending upon who is in charge at the time of the census. Ukrainians come second and Tatars and the rest come third - though not by much. I defend my use of the blanket term "Turks" to cover previous ownership of the land - but in any case all of this history is scarcely relevant to the present problems. The situation as it stands now is that the government in Kiev has been seduced into turning the nation's resources over to Western agencies. This Russia cannot be expected to allow. It needs Sebastopol as a base for its fleet. It feels entitled to continue to be the channel through which the immense mineral resources of Crimea and Donbass flow. It cannot permit Ukraine to be an armed outpost of a declared enemy - NATO. These concerns are entirely reasonable and must be addressed. Putin has made sincere attempts to do so. In his essay on Russian/Ukrainian relations published in the summer of 2021 he makes his position clear. His peace proposals of December of that year provide a realistic compromise and if they had been heeded this dreadful war would not be taking place. Indeed, there are strong indications that Ukraine was prepared to do so, but agents of the West persuaded otherwise - simply because the US and Europe still has its eyes on the estimated $13trillion of gas, oil, coal, steel and rare earth minerals in Crimea and Donbass. The horrible truth is that the nationality of the inert materials lying beneath the ground is far, far more important in the overall scheme of things than the nationality of the people walking about on top of it.
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  22474. The earth and its atmosphere are pretty much a self-regulating mechanism which can take almost everything thrown at it - including a species which digs up long-buried carbon and sets fire to it. The earth is warming sure - but entirely in accord with millennia-old patterns which mean that sometime soon - by which I mean some time in the next three or four hundred years - a peak will be reached and a new cold period will rapidly ensue. It is only mankind's vanity which assumes our activities to be so important. The carbon we release into the atmosphere does not stay there for more than the twinkling of an eye and nor does it form some sort of blanket holding in heat. Albert Einstein postulated as long ago as 1917 that the atmosphere is and must be self-regulating and this is surely the case. The experiments upon which the current man-made climate hysteria are based were carried out in the early 1940's by a Serbian physicist who could not replicate the atmosphere in the laboratory (who could?) and who concluded from his experiments that the "ideal gasses" which Einstein used in his thesis have no basis in reality. They do, however, and the conclusions reached by this troublesome Serbian are as false as his experiments were tainted. Atmospheric carbon does not retain heat. Heat passes through it in less than one third of a second. Only in laboratory conditions do carbon molecules prevent the escape of solar energy. We are safe from everything but our own high opinion of our significance in the order of the cosmos.
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