Comments by "Duende Satírico" (@locuraromantica) on "Jordan Peterson - The Four Reasons For the War in Ukraine" video.

Because in the end he likes NATO
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@thomassenbart All wrong. Ukraine was known in Europe for being a sanctuary for neonazi groups previuosly to the invasion. George Bush invited Ukraine to join NATO in 2007, back then Putin protested.
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@thomassenbart Ukraine had training camps in Ukraine, and this is admited even by commanders in the Azov brigade, telling they were trained "by foreign expertees". One of the first missile strikes made by Russia was in one in this centers, wich killed several westerners.
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@danielhutchinson6604 If you want to read something about Stalin fresh without being repeating the Cold War mantras read Anselmo Santos "Stalin the Great" or Domenico Losurdos "Stalin: History of the creation of a Black Legend". The first one is a biography, the second one an essay on how and when Stalin's image was changed. And how stupid we must look like westerners when we go to "enlighten" those "poor victims of communism". Because some dudes in think tanks talked about It.
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@michalfaraday8135 Russia wasnt expanding to their neighbours. Their neighbours were in good relations with them, USA and EU pay politicians and fund associations to promote politicians that want to get closer. Why you think in Georgia they want to ban NGO? Because they spread hate towards USA?
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@pravak6745 And do you understand that in countries that are in the border between cultures you might find several cultures coexist? And that what happened is that because the old nationalists that are USA trust people there are the ones obsessed with ukranian purity? That not only did they opressed since 2014 russians but other people in Ukraine like hungarians or romanians?
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 @thomassenbart Yes USA wanted, classic MC Kinder doctrine
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 @thomassenbart They didnt allow Ukraine to join NATO because they had Crimea and they wanted to secure Sebastopol. Before this moment Russia didnt want to defy USA nor dared to do It.
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@thomassenbart The diference is that in 2014 when USA spec ops went to Ukraine, told them that Rusia need to dissapear so Ukraine could be free. That is the testimony of an ukranian Commander of the Azov brigade. Look anyone here can type Mc.Kinder doctrine or any of this If It is not that lazy and check, of course there are serious readings and informs. Because before the invasion people in the Europes Organization For Security and Cooperation had complained about what was developing inside Ukraine. And there was no need for that.
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@thomassenbart It is mostly testimonies. But I don't see the same spec ops activities around countries that are next to USA, neither defensive alliences with other world powers. Monroe doctrine at its fullest. Of course you will see that change as USA dives into decay.
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Because the west doesnt allow them to. USA interfered in each election they didnt get a desired result. Orange Revolution, Euromaidan, 10 years ban on the communist party...
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Because the west doesnt want to. Each time they voted something unwanted by them they removed It, the Orange Revolution and euro maidan and the prohibition of the communist party.
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 @MrSkeptik-z5r No to have west Ukraine culture
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That is the problem of the superiority card of the west. You need to let people talk, of course you can make painful life to those who investigate things like the involvement of USA state on drugs in hispanic america or the destruction of the nordstream...But you have to allow free speech. That is why we know what you said is BS. And you are not completely honest, here in Spain they prosecuted a dude that went to the Donbass and showed ukranians bombing civilians and schools and other civilian buildings...All this while we were being bombarded with your discourse. Turns out the west is scum as Putin or the USSR or whatever, or even worse because It sella itself as morally superior. In the west you are not censored when you say something, only when people listens or follows you.
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 @YarUnderoaker Then why Ukraine has been bombing the Donbass before the russian invasion.
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 @juriuslegenda Yes, and they had the Minski agreements and the politicians in Ukraine kept braging about people in the Donbass not being able to go to school or the doctor thanks to them.
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 @YarUnderoaker That was before the Minsk agreements
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Peterson didnt say anything compromising, norhing against NATO.
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 @thomassenbart Yes, Ukraine was promised to join EU If a WMF loan was accepted.
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@pravak6745 The people in Ukraine and Russia should ignore people like you. Divide et impera. You want to divide Russia, China, who ever your overlords think is a threat. Little states where your companies abuse as they please. The spread os this ideas comes from anglosaxon intelligence agencies. Why we don't break USA? Why should USA citiziens respect the property of their businessmen with all the decay that is seen in the streats, crumbling infrastructure...Why should Texans be loyal to Washington when they belittle them? Why should Mexico be friends with Washington since USA took territory from them and unleashed a genocide to the mexican population that remained there? Why should mexican inmigrants or resudente be loyal to Washington? They don't have the same culture, they clearly only pretend to care when they are a threat. Maybe is USA that should break, like in the movie Civil War. If you desire the same for others you clearly deserve the same.
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 @michalfaraday8135 No I think NGO that want to influence polítics inside the country should be banned.
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@michalfaraday8135 Well, since when countries had good relations with their neighbours? USA and Mexico? France and Spain? When the USSR collapsed most of the countries departed in good terms. A lot of them voted against the dissolution of the USSR and authoroties dissolves It anyway.
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 @danielhutchinson6604 No, why I would criticize religion? Give me context please.
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@michalfaraday8135 And why I would be mistaken, yes, I accuse western powers of lobbying in those countries. I accuse them of ideological subordination. I accuse them of praying politicians in those countries that It is the will of the people to support the west. Where is the referendum? Where is the opinion of rural areas and the excluded regions that are often left out? Moldavia for examples.Why don't you ask those in the east about their opinion, not just the ones in Transnistria, of the prosperity and the light brought by the western promises.
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@michalfaraday8135 They made a referendum in the USSR and the people voted for remain except in the Baltic States. And yet the leaders of those republics decided to separate, Yeltsin allowed It. Very democratic. I compare Russia to the USA because international relationships havent envolved very much. USA is another empire, I don't believe in magic, I don't believe the american excepcionalism...I am not an USA citizien, si I dont believe in that religion. USA was an expansionist power till they realized in the XXth century that they didnt need to stablish garrisons in all countries. So yes, I don't see much diference between what USAs state does and Russia does.
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@michalfaraday8135 If you are from the Baltic States, I asume that you are, since they are the only ones that went up a little bit. You see GDP doesnt tell a lot of life there. The other USSR states are not doing very well, worse than in the USSR and Poland...Oh...For some to thrive others need to "leave" their productions to the new mascots to shine. My country for example. And in the Baltic States are doing the democratic and very germanic and european thing I must say, of repressing those pesky people with slavic culture. They dare to say colonizers! As in frontiers, specially those inside big extensions of land, cultures respect lines made by ruler.
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@michalfaraday8135 You are the one who has mote responsability in being honest of the two. Since If It is true what you say, It is your country and your people. I know people from the eastern block, some married to the children of the spanish civil war. Everyone very crithical in diferent aspects of the Soviet Union. One of them was a smuggler, and an anticommunist. The others complained about lack of diversity in products and that in the 80's the technology was starting to get behind the west in certain areas like in MR in medicine...But everyone said that by far they were better when the Soviet Union was araound, turns out they promised prosperity with free market and It didnt come.
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@michalfaraday8135 And when happened that colonization? During Soviet era? I am pretty sure that It was always part of the clashes between the Russian Empire the poland-lituanian confederacy...And frontiers changed a lot and you try to convince me that Russia colonized them. Also you forget to tell the industrialization, that brings people from other regions to that one. And the Baltic States had major ports there. And your fight against russification is not other thing that a typical nationalistic measure of eliminating undesired lenguages and populations. And the EU celebrates its "antitotalitarian" values while allowing this! Lituanian culture and estonian culture is not under threat, and If they truly are an oppressed minority, then how you dont come to the conclussion that you defend a tyranny no better than Putin If you aprove to impose a culture and a lenguage over a majority of people. The Ideology of those states are messed up even for the anticommunist and liberal proyect that is the EU.
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@michalfaraday8135 It is not that I hide the consecuences of russification. Wich occured over centuries, is what happens when you have an Empire next door. Is just that I don't care about It, is like worrying about hispanification of the United States or hispanification of South America. What I see, comrade, is an anglification of Checoslovaquia, Spain, Italy...Everywhere, a very protestant thinking, the value of purity. Pure cultures that need to be protected.
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@danielhutchinson6604 Yes is hard to follow up some conversations. Yes I commented something about Stalin. I am starting to gain experiencie studying sovietology. I started with Orlando Figues, liberal presepective and now I am studying replies to the detractors of Stalin regime. I am building my own criteria. You said something about religion. Yes Putin likes the guy, but he doesnt like his political opinions, you know, the part where him and his collegues would be punished for being businessmen. Putin seems to like more conservative figures, tsarist ones. I am glad you have been studying the USSR for so long, you might find interesting that at least the field quietly is moving forward from Robert Conquest.
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@michalfaraday8135 Or maybe is you that dares to speak for others. And also I know people who got to be happy about the privatizations. And not few were "exemplar" communists before, to be later on the most convinced liberals.
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 @michalfaraday8135 The problem is that what you called "deportation" is moving the industries and personnel before the invasion of the nazis.
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@michalfaraday8135 No, you don't understand, I say what you tell about the russification is bullshit. And I call the policies against russian culture, because they persue the specific goal of manipulating mentality and destroying the culture. And in places where there always have been mixure.
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@danielhutchinson6604 I understand that you are refering to China as one of the "communist" countries. The other one, It doesnt come to my mind who can be. China is not the proof of triumph of communism, is the demonstration of the mistake in free market policies and liberalism. Yes I do think the war in Ukraine is a dispute between businessmen, of course there is a component of geopolitical struggle. Lets see how USA reacts If Russia starts to make themselves comfortable in Cuba, like happened in the Cold War. It turns out that sovereignity is only an argument when USA likes It. Or in any case those countries that have power.
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@michalfaraday8135 I did read good essays on the Soviet Union, the Russian Revolution and now I am reading Stalin. I already read the classics of the western narrative, now I want more I am reading the new and not so promoted studies on the Soviet Union and Stalin. Since you always need fresh things. And It is very dificult to find things about the Soviet Union not polluted by the liberalism-communism conflict.
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No, It was Stalin. And russians think that too. That is why in 2007 they changed the results of a popular poll that asked people who was the most important historic figure. Conservatives want an old regime figure, but reality is higher.
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If It was USA, they would probably use that to invade them. Some of the countries you mentioned they didnt exist before, including Ukraine. Ukraine exists thanks to the Soviet Union and the right of self-determination that the leaders of such regions used.
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 @thomassenbart I didnt see them acting, the testimonies are of those trained by them, in this case the Azov Commander.
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 @thomassenbart Indoctrination, aswell as creating unrest in enemies societies is part of what spec ops do. There is no red line between fields of action, nor ethics.
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@thomassenbart USA reigns in NATO, you seem to give words a magic property, like those who think that some words writen in paper by themselves means rights and obligations. What you say about NATO has to drop off any knowledge of how power works and Geopolitics. NATO is a vassal alliance and an agency to sell USA defence technology. Period. I don't care about the decorations that sorround that.
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@thomassenbart Yes, Bush invited Ukraine in 2007. Anyone can check It. At that time Putin had another attitude towards USA and there wasnt bitterness. That was the begining of Russias change of position.
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 @thomassenbart There are friend countries of NATO, like Morocco.
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