Comments by "Shorewall" (@shorewall) on "The Fall of China." video.

Debate is worthless. The only debate should be in your heart. Weight the evidence. Two people arguing with each other proves nothing.
36
I can't say what Japan will do, but a free Hong Kong, Shanghai, Macau, along with Taiwan, would be good trade partners and allies. And I would guess that the US would take them into its sphere, as a way to control the destiny of future China.
4
Same with Russia. They take what they say at face value. :D
3
Debates are inherently dumb. As you said, a debate will convince neither participant, so the best you can hope for is a measured point and counter point. But this incentivises the participants to not allow their opponent to cleanly present their point. Most debates include interupting, mocking, zingers disguised as relevant points. And if one refuses to stoop to that level, you often give the advantage to the one who is not so principled. Debates should lie in the heart of the listener, as they research and weigh different points. Learning is a life long journey, including introspection and consideration. A debate cannot give you this.
2
@LanMandragon1720 If you're right of Stalin, you are right wing. :D
2
The only debate should be in the heart of the Listener. When people argue with each other it solves nothing.
2
I don't think there was ever a World Reserve Currency before the Dollar. Before that it was Gold and Silver.
2
Not as a nation. As a culture. Nation states are relatively new, and western invention. Before that it was dynasties, kingdoms, empires. All based on the dynasty. Nothing to do with the land or people who were ruled. What has given China its staying power is the Sinicization efforts that get the locals to identify with Chinese Culture, just like immigrants to the US can begin to identify with American Culture. But China's Sinicization happened over hundreds of years and were often resisted, while Americanization takes at most three generations, and is a very natural accepted process.
2
@LuisFlores-ls4yy Debates are a joke. The participants are incentivized to attack each other, and the viewers are incentized to treat it like a rap battle. The real debate should be in the heart of the earnest searcher for truth. Look up different viewpoints and weigh them in your mind.
2
@dengsamuel4557 I like China Uncensored, but I think they are really invested in their bias. Not bad, but they have a slant for sure.
2
I like those guys, but they are way too invested. I think this channel should maintain its aloofness.
1
Naw, debates are bad medicine. They don't help, and they often make both people look bad, unless they are friendly with each other, but then, they might be more likely to agree and not be able to debate.
1
It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Xi doesn't want to lose face, but the lockdowns are unsustainable. In the US, the lockdowns only ended because politicans were gonna lose their jobs after everyone who was going to was already vaccinated, booster shot, triple jab... At that point it was like, enough already. But if it were up to the Leftists, we would still be locked down. I remember all the MSM praising China's (completely false) case totals and saying we should learn from them. But now they point the finger. If you want to know the liars, just have a five year memory. Every liar has given themselves up in at least five years.
1
I'd rather say that History has started up again. The Post War Peace was the strangest time in Human history, and things are now going back to normal. And normal doesn't mean good. :D
1
I'm really interested in the idea that this channel has said on occasion, that hispanics and East Asians will eventually be included in Whiteness, just as the Irish and Italians were not at first, but now are totally considered white. I'm half hispanic, and a lot of hispanics already think of themselves as white, and looking at Westernized East Asians, there is little holding them back. Add in that both Hispanics and East Asians have very high rates of intermarriage, and I really believe it will happen.
1
Communism, not even once. Destroyed Russia, destroyed China.
1
Yeah, debates are stupid. They don't enlighten, only reward people for interupting and meming. Check the Presidential debates for example.
1
@Icyclean6969 If China starts a war with the US, the horrors of the blockade, war, famine, and the US funding anyone with a pulse will forment many revolutions. The CCP's downfall will happen because it must happen, or the people will cease to exist. Either way, no more CCP. And the CCP in return will cause any devastation it can. WW3 will only be started by the CCP, and if it starts, it will be very different from the Russian Invasion of Ukraine. It won't be a straight fight. CCP will work horrors.
1
WW2 Japan was worse than the CCP, and that's saying something.
1
Yeah, according to Peter Zeihan, Hong Kong and Macau and a lot of the Southern Coast are geographically isolated from the rest of China, so historically they have traded more with the outside world than with China. And Shanghai can make a go on its own as well. I think a lot of China would have a brighter future as separate smaller countries.
1
Zeihan is so great. I am hyped for his new book. :D
1
@matthiuskoenig3378 Compare with the alternative. Just because the powerful want to centralize all power, doesn't mean that Federations are not the best way to decentralize.
1
Yeah, and just like Russia's invasion of Ukraine, China knows if they don't do it soon, they won't be able to. I am betting on WW3, and I am betting on horrors like WW2, for sure.
1
Debates aren't enlightening. I think his mistake was even doing the debate. And Vaush has a reputation anyway. It was an experiment, but I would say it was a failed experiment.
1
I would bet on China starting some shit, just like Russia did. WW3 is coming, this Russian Invasion is just the precursor. And why? Because hard times are coming anyway, so may as well add a war to distract people from who was responsible.
1
If you don't know he's against Communism by now, you have an comprehension problem.
1
Europe continues to stagnate. Why else would Germany import so many refugees from the Middle East? Immigrants from poorer, more religious areas are revitalizing the places they go to, because the atheistic Western culture is decadent and meaningless. Just like the Chinese have nothing to believe in, Atheistic Westerners have nothing to believe in. That is why they will be replaced. Evolution favors Religion.
1
China consistently lies and fudges their numbers. Just like the USSR. Everyone was afraid of the USSR, until it wasn't there anymore.
1
Yeah, but an old population can't do anything on the world stage.
1
@tafadzwashepherd4580 Implying that his channel isn't already growing. There is no benefit to trying to be all things to all people. It's better to take a stand on some things, even if it pisses some people off.
1
If China falls apart, USA is definitely stepping in and picking the winners and losers. Small countries are better, and especially the South, Hong Kong, Shanghai will benefit. I think the US would try to carve at least that much out from any future China.
1
In the current order, it is better not to invade, not to colonize. Rather make deals and pay dictators to deal with you. That is the modern way, and saves you from unprofitable wars.
1
@tungsten8332 Chip manufacturing is already coming back to the US. Maybe the low cost stuff won't, but I think the world is seeing the necessity for secure supply lines, with Covid and now Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
1
@Californianbychoice If China falls apart, the winners will be pro western. Hong Kong, Shanghai, Macau, any trade oriented deal makers will fit right in. USA will Marshall plan any bad feelings away, like we did with Japan. We nuked them, completely destroyed their world view, and yet we built them back up to the point where we were afraid they would overtake us. The worst thing that happened to the USSR was that they could ward off the USA. They never got the help they needed.
1