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Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Ryan Grim on Call In vs Call Out Culture" video.

Ryan Grim's job is to manufacture consent for corrupt politicians.
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This channel loses credibility when it has ryan grim on and doesn't challenge him for his BS.
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Sorry not sorry that we just realize that grim is controlled opposition and we are calling him out for it.
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You would be better off having on ANY random peasant than this tool of the oligarchy on.
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@smolderingtitan Let's say we were talking to harvey weinstein and he was making "good points," would you care about those points? Or would you care who is saying it?
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@dashx1103 "because of a grudge with a certain podcaster" No doubt it's easier for you to strawman the argument instead of addressing our actual problem with him... that he's a liar who manufactures consent for corrupt politicians.
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@larchlarch9851 If you can't understand that grim is a tool of the oligarchy used to manufacture consent for them then I pity you.
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@larchlarch9851 "Ryan Grim is all about integrity and good journalism." Meanwhile, in reality, ryan writes propaganda like, "CHUCK SCHUMER EYES A SECOND SHOT AT RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE THROUGH RECONCILIATION" so that people will chuck credit for "something" while he actually does NOTHING about raising the minimum wage.
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@abe8435 "you can agree with that" I could but I legit have no interest in what he has to say. I have better things to do than listen to controlled opposition... like calling them out. That's a far, far, far better use of my time. Don't you think? "Since you don’t do that" I'm making substantive points about him being controlled opposition. I'm making points why that's important. If that's not enough for you that's on you... not me.
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@abe8435 "you aren’t actually making any substantive points about why Grim is controlled opposition at all." Sad you need them. Grim told you not to force the vote on m4a. Grim writes articles like, "CHUCK SCHUMER EYES A SECOND SHOT AT RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE THROUGH RECONCILIATION" which is meant to manufacture consent for chuck as if he's doing something about minimum wage while he actually does nothing at all about it.
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@larchlarch9851 "that's just right wing propaganda." This isn't an argument. It's just ad hominem. "Don't be a shill for them." And you are using it to shill for ryan grim. Which is really funny.
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@solgato5186 "Calling someone "controlled opposition" is not making a point," LMFAO Of course it is. Just handwaving it away like you can accurately be called, "not making a point."
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@abe8435 "calling him a tool of the oligarchy" He gets a check from MULTIPLE billionaires.
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@slammajamma5435 I'm going to assume that it was just EXCELLENT sarcasm.
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@larchlarch9851 "ditto" LMFAO Wait... that wasn't sarcasm. LMFAO
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@dashx1103 "He's a good journalist" He's not. And you don't even attempt to address my points. " haven't known him to "lie."" So you believe that chuck shumer is working to raise the minimum wage? That he was legit trying to use reconciliation a second time to raise the minimum wage. "point out the examples if you wish." Maybe address what I've already given and you can get more if you want.
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@abe8435 "Someone watching this video who isn’t as invested in social media drama as you would have no idea what you are on about." You can always ask instead of what you are doing.
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@dashx1103 "Democrats capitulated" No they didn't. They did exactly what they and their donors wanted to do. This is just more BS from grim.
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@dashx1103 "Democrats capitulated." If you were trying to prove my point that grim manufactures consent for dems you have succeeded. The parliamentarian works for the dems, not the other way around.
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@abe8435 And when I say grim is controlled opposition meant to manufacture consent for corrupt politicians I can cite articles like the one I already have.
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@dashx1103 "JD spun it" This has nothing to do with dore. It's pathetic you keep trying to make it about him.
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@dashx1103 "isn't tied to the JD enemies list" It's tied to grim's BS regardless of who is calling him out. It's just a lazy way for you to try and dismiss the arguments being made to you. It's lazy, pathetic, and transparent. "JD went out of his way to misrepresent the Schumer story," LMFAO You are impossible to take seriously. It legit feels like I'm talking to a burner account for grim. "omitting that Grim led with the fact that "Democrats capitulated to a staffer" in failing to get min wage the first time." LMFAO That doesn't make anything better. "Democrats capitulated" is just another lie from grim. The dems did exactly what they wanted to do. They didn't "capitulate" anything.
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@dashx1103 "I’ve addressed feeble points— which is all you’ve made." You haven't intelligently addressed a single point I've made. Not one.
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@dashx1103 "He was highly critical of Biden." That's how controlled opposition gains your trust before telling you to vote for him despite the fact that he's terrible.
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@dashx1103 "highly critical of Biden" This is completely meaningless. What matters is that he will tell you to vote for him.
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@dashx1103 "it was a rational position." Only someone who has listened to too much BS from people like ryan would think that voting for evil is "rational."
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@dashx1103 "therefore he's a shill" Just drinking mountain dew all the time doesn't make you a shill. You become a shill when you tell everyone else THEY need to drink it.
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"literally prove the point" Except grim isn't "canceled." He's collecting checks from multiple billionaires to tell everyone to vote blue no matter who.
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@abe8435 "the classic tool of people who seek to keep the left weak and divided." I'm as far left as I you can go but that's not what's important. The war that matters is between the peasants and the elite. And grim represents the elite.
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@abe8435 "My point is you aren’t actually making any substantive points about why Grim is controlled opposition at all." Sad you need them. Controlled opposition tells you not to force the vote. Controlled opposition writes propaganda like, "CHUCK SCHUMER EYES A SECOND SHOT AT RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE THROUGH RECONCILIATION" so that you can give chuck credit for the minimum wage despite him not actually doing anything to make it happen. Do you want more? "Someone watching this video who isn’t as invested in social media drama as you would have no idea what you are on about." Then ask. Instead of what you are doing instead.
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@abe8435 "now you actually made some substantive points" Meanwhile, in reality, I was always making "substantive points." "See the difference?" You wanted "evidence" in addition to the point. And I gave it to you. Do you see the difference between a "point" and "evidence?"
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@abe8435 "while not trying to cancel the person" What is "cancel" even suppose to mean? I support his free speech and everyone free speech. Just because I'm calling him out and just because I think useful idiots would be better off having ANY else on instead of him doesn't mean he should be "canceled" or I think he should be "canceled." "All it does is lead to endless fracturing and zero clarity" At the end of the day there is controlled opposition whether you try to call it out or not. But it's better if you do because if you don't it will destroy your cause of institution from the inside. Ryan isn't your friend. It's better you realize it.
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@dashx1103 "Democrats capitulated to a ruling by a Senate staffer, the body’s parliamentarian, the first time around" Which is also BS. The dems didn't "capitulate," they did exactly what they and their donors wanted them to do and they used the parliamentarian and stenographers like grim to do it.
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@dashx1103 "Democrats capitulated to a ruling by a Senate staffer, the body’s parliamentarian, the first time around." Which is another lie. Dems did exactly what they and they donors wanted, they used the parliamentarian to justify it, and they used propagandists like grim to sell it.
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@dashx1103 "Democrats capitulated" Another lie. They did exactly what they and their donors wanted.
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@dashx1103 "Democrats capitulated" Another lie by grim. They did exactly what they and their donors wanted to do.
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@dashx1103 "Democrats capitulated" You are making my point why grim is terrible. If you listened to him you might actually believe this BS. His job is to manufacture consent for corrupt politicians and those 2 words prove it. The parliamentarian works for the dems.... not the other way around.
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@dashx1103 "Democrats capitulated" It's like you are trying to prove my point for me that grim manufactures consent for corrupt dems. The parliamentarian works for the dems, not the other way around.
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@abe8435 "You weren’t making points. Just assertions." LMFAO An assertion is an example of a point. "Get it?" I have receipts for everything I say. For example when I say grimm is a tool of the oligarchy, which yes, is an assertion, and my point, I can back it up with the fact that he gets paid by multiple billionaires.
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When you say, "this level of paranoia feels astroturfed" I can assert that you are silly. And my evidence of it is corporate media. Whom all sane people are "paranoid" that they do not actually have our best interests at heart.
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"this level of paranoia feels astroturfed" So am I wrong to be "paranoid" that corporate media is gaslighting me? Because I'm confident I'm right to think that. And I'm correct to think that of grim for all the same reasons. MSNBC brings him on for a reason.
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"I like how all the comments cannot even begin to engage with what Grim and Halper are discussing and are just centered around bs about their authenticity." The bottom line, whether you agree with people like me or not, is that we think ryan is controlled opposition. We think he is part of the problem. We do not think he is authentic. And we have really good reason to think that. Since that's the case it makes perfect sense that we are going to call him out and spend our time questioning his authenticity instead of acting like we think he's an honest actor.
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@abe8435 "I think you might be right about him being controlled opposition" So it really shouldn't be too hard to understand why that's what I care about... and not what controlled opposition is saying ATM. "your evidence is really more inference and conjecture than proof" I don't have a smoking gun... other than the fact that he gets paid by multiple billionaires and billionaires don't tend to pay for things working against their interests. "It’s enough to say he’s wrong about “force the vote”" Not really. He wasn't just "wrong." He gaslight. " is overly impressed with Democrats," At the end of the day he will tell you to vote blue no matter who. And the rest of it up until then is just details to get there and to try and give him some credibility when he says it. "agreeing with him when he’s right is probably more productive" I don't deny he says something correct on occasion. It's just that I'm not going to spend much time giving him credit for it when I think he's only doing it to try and get people to trust him before he tells you to vote blue no matter who.
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@abe8435 "When you attack his character rather than his ideas" I do both.
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@abe8435 "I think you might be right about him being controlled opposition," I wrote you a much longer response to this that's being shadowbanned because of course it is. If you can't see it in your notifications let me know and I'll try to rephrase it enough that it isn't censored.
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@abe8435 "He’s just not that important." Sadly he is. Him and people like him are partly how the elite manufactures consent for themselves. "Democratic Party" People like him are how they get any support. "the argument being made by the host and guest is correct," I legit don't even know what they are talking about in this clip although I have watched the full interview. "hope it gets across to people who hadn’t thought of it" If you listen to ryan grim unironically I hope I've given you something to think of. I'm not here to address anything he said here nor do I pretend to want to.
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@abe8435 "who Grim is" You are missing the point. This isn't about him specifically. It's about people like him who manufacture consent for corrupt politicians. He's an example of it. He's an example of corporate media but he's trying to do in the "independent" area. " don’t think most libs even know who Grim is" They should. Katy should. And if they don't I'm going to tell them.
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@abe8435 "better to attack his arguments, because there can always be more water-carriers for the Democrats" Nope. It's better to go after how they carry water so that you can tell when the next person like grim comes around... and you clearly know they will.
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@abe8435 "relentlessly attacking Grim and whoever else just becomes a game of whack-a-mole" I'm trying to tell you how you know what a mole is and what isn't. The establishment is always going try and mislead you and it's important to know how they do it. For example you keep saying that grim said only good things in this clip. Maybe he did. But that's how he gains your trust before telling you why you need to vote for corrupt dems.
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@abe8435 "You should speak to them privately" LMFAO Who do you think I am? One of the billionaires who pays him? "alienate a potential ally" You think he was going to support m4a until I said mean things about him? That sounds more like the type of excuse controlled opposition uses to try and rationalize not doing the right thing.
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@abe8435 "There’s plenty of controlled opposition besides Grim right now, and more every day." Yup. It's like you are trying to make my point how important it is to try and call it out. And to show people how to recognize it. But somehow you are using it to claim the opposite. It's silly. "what does it matter if you and a minority of people know who’s authentic and who isn’t?" You really don't understand why it's important to know if your source is legit or controlled opposition? Really? "you have to make coherent arguments" LMFAO I'm confident I have been doing that from the very start. "not just name-call individual" While I have "name called" that isn't the only thing I've done.
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@abe8435 "I pointed out you had no evidence" I have evidence. And I've given it to you after you asked for it. Just because i didn't lead with it doesn't mean I don't have it and haven't provided it for you. "Who cares?" I do. And so do you. Or why are you here? If you don't care? "You think Halper reads these comments?" Yes. I do. But maybe she doesn't for all I know for certain. "You think anyone who doesn’t already agree with you is persuaded by such content-free insults?" You say this like I haven't given you receipts when you asked for them. Do you think you are persuading anyone with this? "what he says in this clip has nothing to do with that." I just got done telling you that I don't even know what's in the clip. I straight up admit I don't care about it. "So you have to raise the level of the discourse" Is that what you think you are doing with this? LMFAO "you’ll just feel smug about calling out phonies and that’s all" I can lead a horse to water but I can't make em drink.
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@olorin1710 "Chris Hedges" LMFAO I say literally the same things as hedges. I'm sure you call him an "anarchist" too no matter how silly it is.
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@olorin1710 "Imagine what they say about Donald trump, rep Crenshaw, Taylor Greene, AOC, rep. Bush," I say the same things about these people for all the same reasons I call out grim. "It's a big club and you ain't in it." -george carlin, fellow "anarchist."
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@olorin1710 "too bad you dont get it" How about you try to explain it then? Instead of what you are doing? "because CNN hates on both of them????" LMFAO So? Do you want me to tell you the, many, many, many ways they are different? What is your point?
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@larchlarch9851 If you can't understand that ryan grim is shill paid by multiple billionaires to manufacture consent for the oligarchy then I feel sorry for you.
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@dashx1103 "because of a grudge with a certain podcaster" It's actually because he's a shill for the elite. Because he uses lies to manufacture consent for them. No doubt it's easier for you to strawman the actual argument thou.
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@larchlarch9851 "that's just right wing propaganda." This is what you say when you don't have anything of substance to back it up. "Don't be a shill for them." This is funny because you are shilling for ryan grim. "Ryan Grim is all about integrity and good journalism." Grim writes articles like, "CHUCK SCHUMER EYES A SECOND SHOT AT RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE THROUGH RECONCILIATION" So that simpletons like you will give chuck credit for "something" while he isn't actually doing anything to raise the minimum wage.
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@dashx1103 "I don't believe Schumer is working to raise minimum wage" So ryan lied, even according to you. As for the rest of your wall of text I'll assume you find terrible ways to rationalize that lie but don't really care what they are.
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@dashx1103 "He lied about what?" "CHUCK SCHUMER EYES A SECOND SHOT AT RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE THROUGH RECONCILIATION" ryan grim BS In reality chuck shumer is looking for ways to stop a raise in the minimum wage and is finding convenient excuses like the parliamentarian to not raise it.
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@dashx1103 That was you who said this right, "No. I don't believe Schumer is working to raise minimum wage." It's almost like you too think ryan grim was lying.
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@dashx1103 "The Dems didn't surrender?" Yup. They never fought. "Refusing to overrule the parliamentarian wasn't capitulation?" LMFAO They wanted their employee to do exactly what they did. That's why they were there, in that job. The parliamentarian works for the dems, not the other way around.
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@dashx1103 "The Dems didn't surrender" The dems are the boss. The parliamentarian works for them. This would be like elon musk telling people that he "surrendered" to his secretary and hid behind that to claim he couldn't do something. It's transparent BS and it's absurd. Elon is the boss. At the end of the day the decisions are Elons. Elon can fire his secretary and get someone to do what he wants just like the dems decide who their parliamentarian is.
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@dashx1103 The parliamentarian works for the dems. To claim the dems can't do something because of them is asinine. It's like elon musk claiming he couldn't do something because his secretary forbid it.... as if he isn't the boss. As if the decisions aren't ultimately his. It's silly. And only someone who listens to far too much ryan grim would buy it.
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@dashx1103 "It is kind of funny." The only thing that's funny is that this is all you have in response to my comments. "I’m going back and forth between this and another Halper segment" I don't know why you think this is funny, why you are bring this up when it has nothing to do with what we are talking about, or why you think I care about anecdotes. "I’m defending Aaron against feeble accusations about him." LMFAO Is that what you think you are doing with this response? Is this you "defending ryan grim from feeble accusations?" But you aren't saying anything of value. You aren't even attempting to address my points. I hope you are doing better defending aaron than that. Like maybe make an argument... or are you just telling everyone how you are here defending ryan grim? As if that would be a point there?
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@dashx1103 "I’ve addressed feeble points— which is all you’ve made." Projection 101. "solely on failing to support force the vote" This is simply not true. "an article that doesn’t say what you claim" I didn't "claim" it said anything. I quoted it's headline. "You’ve claimed that Grim is condemnable as a journalist, but you’ve made no case for it." Was I misrepresenting his claim or was I not making an argument? At least pick a disingenuous lane and stick to it. "Other than to assert accusations" That you don't refute.... "regurgitate what some podcast claims." Except when you are deflecting to talk about jimmy when this isn't about him. FYI giving your own comment doesn't make it any better than it is. It only shows your disingenuousness.
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@dashx1103 "I’ve addressed feeble points" Also, no, you haven't. You ignored my point about the parliamentarian. "No. I don't believe Schumer is working to raise minimum wage." You agreed with my point that schumer isn't actually trying to raise the minimum wage. "solely on failing to support force the vote" While I did bring up force the vote and it wasn't my only problem with him this is all you did to "address" that point. Lastly you don't even attempt to address my point that he's paid by multiple billionaires. You have successfully addressed ZERO of my points.
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@dashx1103 "He was highly critical of Biden." That's what controlled opposition does before it tells you to vote for him despite the fact that he's a corrupt POS. "it was a rational position." Only someone brainwashed by too much sam would think that voting for evil is rational.
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@dashx1103 "he’s a “good journalist” or not." Good journalists aren't shills for corrupt people and corrupt parties. But good luck with your BS. I hope you don't actually believe it. I hope you are only paid to say it.
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@dashx1103 "He didn’t favor the “correct” candidate? That makes him a bad journalist?" It's makes him a shill for corrupt politicians just like the people working at fox and all the of corporate media.
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@dashx1103 "he voted for between two terrible candidates just doesn’t define whether he’s a “good journalist” or not" Good journalists call out terrible politicians. Shills like sam tell you to vote for terrible candidates.
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@dashx1103 "he voted for between two terrible candidates just doesn’t define whether he’s a “good journalist” or not" He didn't just vote for him... he told everyone else to vote for him. Good journalists call out corrupt politicians. Shills like sam tell you to vote for them.
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@dashx1103 "who he voted for between two terrible candidates just doesn’t define whether he’s a “good journalist” or not" This isn't about who he voted for.... this is about him telling everyone else then needed to vote for a corrupt politician. What do you think controlled opposition does if not that?
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@dashx1103 Good journalists call out corrupt politicians like biden. Shills like sam will tell you to vote for them.
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@dashx1103 "And there it is." Yes. There your intellectual dishonesty is. Me: "He tells everyone THEY need to vote blue no matter who." You: "He didn't vote like I wanted him" "therefore he's a shill" LMFAO That's what shills do.. sell their product. At the end of the day his product is corrupt dems.
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@dashx1103 "therefore he's a shill." Let's say someone told me to drink mountain dew. That would make them a shill for mountain dew just like grim is a shill for the corrupt dems.
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@dashx1103 Grim tells everyone to "drink" the dems at election time. Therefor he's a shill for them. That's EXACTLY how it works.
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@dashx1103 "Hilarious. "He reported bad stuff about the guy I don't like. But he decided that guy was the lesser of two evils -- so he must be a 'shill.' If he doesn't vote the way I do, he's definitely a shill." Dear god." You are using quotation marks wrong. That's my polite way to say that you are lying.
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@dashx1103 "so he must be a 'shill.'" He tells you to vote for them every general election. That's why he's a shill. And the rest is just meaningless details.
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@dashx1103 He actually: grim is a shill because at the end of the day he's blue no matter who. He'd tell you to vote for donald trump if he were represent that team because that's what he ALWAYS does. That's why he's a shill. And just because he occasionally tells you how he thinks the dems are bad to gain your trust before telling you to vote for them... it's textbook controlled opposition.
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@dashx1103 "he decided that guy was the lesser of two evils -- so he must be a 'shill.'" If someone is telling you to vote for evil they are shilling for evil... at best. At worst they are pure evil.
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@dashx1103 You know how I can tell bernie sanders is a shill for joe biden? He told everyone to vote joe. That's how it works. That's what the word means.
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@dashx1103 And I know grim is a shill for the dems not because he votes for them.... but because he tells everyone else they need to vote for them. That's how it works. That's LITERALLY what the word means.
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@dashx1103 "Was it while he was reporting on corruption at the Mountain Dew plant?" LMFAO Would that it make it better? That he's telling you to drink something after telling you about the sludge in it?
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@dashx1103 "Was it while he was reporting on corruption at the Mountain Dew plant?" 'Mountain dew is TERRIBLE for you. Now go drink it.' -ryan grim, probably
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@dashx1103 Correction, I should have said, "Mountain dew is TERRIBLE for you. Now go drink it. -ryan grim, *if mountain dew paid him to say it
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@nicka731 Great comment nick. That's why it's being shadowbanned. Land of the free am I right? /s
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@dashx1103 "It was a "rational" perspective." Millions of people voted for trump knowing he was terrible but they are brainwashed into thinking they need pick one of the major parties. There is nothing rational about the perspective. It's supporting evil.
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@dashx1103 "It was a "rational" perspective." That "perspective" is how they get you to support evil. This is how they play you. Jimmy dore just did a great video titled, "Democrats Are FUNDING Radical Republicans" exposing what they do and why they do it. Grim enables the behavior. JD does good journalism by calling it out.
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@dashx1103 "Good v evil." LMFAO Yup. There is actually evil in the world. All the bad happening isn't all by accident. Some of it's by design by people that want it to happen. But if you don't think someone is evil they can't be evil I guess according to you. You don't even need to consider the possibility or attempt arguments I guess. You can just laugh it off. FYI this is but one reason among many why I've never taken you seriously. I'm not talking to you. I'm only talking at you.
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@dashx1103 "That is a "rational" perspective." You seem to think that anyone who has an "argument" is being "rational." Are flat earther to you? Because they have "arguments?" It's not. That's not how it works. It's just another example of you NOT being rational.
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@dashx1103 "ONLY rational perspective." 'People who think the globe isn't flat aren't the only people with rational perspective.' -dash x, probably
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@dashx1103 "I certainly understood people who acknowledged that Biden sucked, but sucked less than Trump." Actual rational people don't care who is worse because neither should get anyones vote. It's like trying comparing maxwell and r kelly to figure out who sucks more. Ultimately it doesn't matter who is worse because you shouldn't be voting for either.
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@dashx1103 "I certainly understood people who acknowledged that Biden sucked, but sucked less than Trump." So do I "understand" why they do it. But that doesn't mean it's ok or "rational." They are voting for evil, making the world worse, and not acting logically. Voting for good is actually what acting logically looks like. Voting for evil is not.
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@dashx1103 "I almost took you seriously for a minute." You don't take me seriously because I call out grim? But you take people seriously who vote for evil? Millions of people knew trump was terrible and voted for him anyway because they thought he was "less evil." Those are the types of people you take seriously. Who you think are acting "rationally." People who vote for terrible. FYI I call out those trump supporters the same way I call out biden supporters. I don't care when they think trump is "less evil" either.
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@dashx1103 You: "That the way we think is the ONLY possible way to think." Also you: " I almost took you seriously for a minute." I'll leave you to think that yours is the only way to think... and for you to do it really hypocritically.
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@dashx1103 "believe there is ONLY ONE rational perspective" I'm not addressing every perspective. I'm only addressing the one that supports evil. And yeah... supporting evil is not rational. And the only people who claim otherwise are evil trying to convince good people to support them and useful idiots for evil. "Deciding on who to vote for in an election isn't remotely the same as recognizing the world isn't flat." You are "rationalizing" supporting evil. I'm not saying it's the same. But I am saying it's arguably just as dumb when it's broken down. " I'd like to think you know that and are just trolling now." Think whatever nonsense you want. I know you will at the end of the day. "your own BS" LMFAO I'm here saying don't support evil and the people enabling it. You think that's BS? "I notice you still haven't answered my questions." Wait... what? I'm doing my absolute best to address every point you are making as you make them. I'm tempted to go back and count the many questions of mine you haven't answered but that list is going to be way too long for me to want to do it.
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@dashx1103 "it has nothing to do with Grim." Grim is a tool of the dems. He writes articles to manufacture consent for them, like the one I've already cited.
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@dashx1103 "it has nothing to do with Grim." You seem to think grim is a "good journalist." I wanted to show you what good journalism actually looks like. Grim is more of a stenographer for people in power.
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@dashx1103 I've said my peace and wasted too much time addressing you. I'd done. Good luck with your BS. I hope you are paid for it like grim is paid for his.
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@dashx1103 "you ignore all the serious commentary and reporting Grim did/does regarding Biden, the Dems, the DNC, the DCCC, etc. Why?" I don't ignore it. I know that even propagandist networks such as CNN and FOX do "decent" reporting on occasion. That's how they get anyone to believe they are on their side before they sell them out. "Doesn't suit the narrative, and isn't discussed in your echo chamber." You want me to admit that grim doesn't say 100 percent terrible things. It's true. I could say the same about donald trump. It has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. It's just you deflecting. Me: "grim manufactures consent for corrupt dems" You strawmanning the argument actually made to you: "Ultimately, this seems to come down to the fact that Grim apparently thought voting for Trump was worse than voting for Biden." Ultimately everyone is going to have an opinion about who is worse between the two. It doesn't matter. This is about who you should vote for. And you shouldn't vote for evil. The notion that you need to pick between the two major parties is just BS the major parties use to keep them in the system. And they use propagandists like grim to do it. "You've compared Grim holding that opinion to believing the Earth is flat." What I was doing is known as "reductio ad absurdum" in philosophy. "Which pretty well discredits you." You are projecting. And your lack of knowledge discredits you. And I'm foolish for continuing to waste my time. "an opinion you've co-opted from someone else" What a pathetic and lazy way for you try and dismiss the points being made to you. It's what you say when you don't have substantive arguments to make. "Pretending your opinion is fact" If you vote for evil you are enabling and supporting evil. That's not my "opinion." It's fact. And nothing about it being the "lesser" evil changes it.
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