Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Status Coup News"
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@texjohnson9208 Your question is absurd. As has already been pointed out to you Obama isn't running.
As for who America decides to vote for in 2020 for president, I don't know, that is a long way off and it has a lot more to do with who can make the best empty platitudes of "making America great again" which is all you a message of "love, peace, and unity" is. People like me care about policy, priorities, and trust and you should to.
You also shouldn't be over romanticizing the Obama presidency because, like I said, if was actually about "love, peace, and unity" the country wouldn't have elected an orange clown after him. That man of "peace" more than doubled the number of wars we were in and failed to get us out of the wars he said he would.
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@injunsun Regarding, " Obviously you haven't read her positions lately." Please dig deeper than her "positions lately." Politicians are rightfully known for being great liars. Don't just take their word and do some digging.
Let's take her position lately of not taking pac money. I won't even point out that she has rolled pac money left over from her senate run into her campaign president, which she has, let's talk about the fact that that "position lately" only goes as far as the primary. She isn't going to take that money in the primary because she knows it's wrong and immoral. According to Warren, "corruption, the influence of money, touches every decision that gets made in Washington... Whatever issue brought you here today, I guarantee if there’s a decision to be made in Washington, it’s been touched, pushed, massaged, tilted over, just a little, so the folks with money do better than everyone else." That same warren will happily and hypocritically take pac money if she makes the general which means that her positions on anything can't be trusted because she openly admits she will take legalized bribes.
Warren reeks of controlled opposition to real change. Her campaign is an effort to kneecap Sanders. She is terrible.
https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/elizabeth-warren-president-pac-money-treasurer/
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@kylehorvath9295 Regarding, "He is just speculating bud." He is doing more than that. "Speculating" better describes who you think JJ Watt is going to sign with. The OP is, "Well Hope you realize that DNC is very much capable of rigging the Presidential election too." except are they? They offer no evidence and expect us to just take their claim and agree with it.
Regarding, "DNC unequivocally rigged the 2016 primary" Yup.
Regarding, "there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence they interfered in 2020 as well" The DNC says Pete won the Iowa caucus. That's more than circumstantial evidence. But that's in the primary. Being able to rig a game being played on your home court in your hometown with a referees you are hiring for the game isn't the same as rigging another game. The primary is not the general. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
Regarding, "I don't think it's crazy to suspect foul play in the general election too." I don't doubt their is foul play afoot. But ultimately I need evidence and there is none when it comes to the general.
Regarding, "I however personally think the DNC didn't interfere in the general" We agree on this. Don't get me wrong I'd quickly changes this opinion if given some good evidence and wouldn't be shocked if some did come out but as of now I don't have it and I'm not going to pretend I do.
Regarding, "The DNC and its donor base really don't care if Biden or Trump get elected" Meh. Lots of money spent on the general says otherwise. If it didn't matter I don't think the rich would set their money on fire like that. That said I agree that it doesn't matter much. But it does matter a little.
Regarding, "The underlying detail that no one seems to address is that many people (Right and left) have little to no confidence in our electoral system and feel alienated by said system." I agree.
Regarding, "Its not blantant fraud (i.e. changing votes)" Are you sure? Exit polls in the 2016 primary indicated widespread election fraud in the "democratic" primary. And now they barely even do exit polls.
Regarding, "The average person realizes their voice has little sway on the political system and aren't educated enough in civics, economics, communication, law, or other subjects to properly articulate this feeling of marginalization." Even if they can articulate it and understand it that doesn't do much. The system is rigged top to bottom.
Regarding, "At the end of the day are you going to trust a pick pocket with your car?" No.
Regarding, "No evidence they're a car thief, just a pick pocketer right." I have contempt and hatred for the DNC. I think they are crooked and corrupt. I think they would happily cheat in the general if they thought they would get away with it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if evidence of cheating was found. But right now I don't have that. So I'm not going to pretend otherwise.
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@d-risky4994 Regarding, "so you say Bernie never left campaign mode since 2016" Yup. Because the fact of the matter is that you and everyone had zero reason to think he wouldn't be running in 2020.
Regarding, "I can say that since Tulsi and Bernie are friends that she might have more inside access to his campaign plans, indicating to me that he wasn’t sure enough to let his friends know his plan for 2020" Again you are trying to reverse engineer explanations to come to the conclusions you want. Tulsi actions are far better explained in that she knew Sanders was going to run and she just didn't give a fuck. And the exact same things can be said about Warren.
Regarding, "there is no indication that she is cannibalizes Bernie votes" You are an idiot trying to make explanations that make no fucking sense. In reality comments such as Bernie/Tulsi 2020 and Tulsi/Bernie 2020 are very common and Tulsi/Biden 2020 is nonexistent. You know damn well they are running the same lane. Everything you say demonstrates you understand this reality. You call them "allies" in your original post. But you don't want to concede the fact that she is taking her voters from Bernie because you would then have to concede the reality that her campaign is hurting Bernie.
Regarding, "and *SOME will continue to follow her if she backs out and supports Bernie" The majority of her supporters would back Bernie if dropped out today. That's the reality. Those are the facts. Are you first and foremost a Tulsi supporter? If she dropped out today who would you then be supporting in the "democratic" primary? Please answer those questions and please try to be intellectually honest while answering them.
Regarding, "BUT WHY STOP NOW?" It's like I haven't already given you logical arguments as to why she should not being running and should be supporting Sanders. Oh wait... I already have. Do I really need to repeat all the logical reasons she should not be running?
Regarding, "Her policies are vastly identical to Bernie’s policies" Yup. They are running the same lane, with the same policies, whose voters come from the exact same pool.
Regarding, "she is better at presenting foreign policy blunders" Is she thou? Bernie has been preaching a message of peace for longer than Tulsi has been alive. Bernie voted against the Iraq war. Too bad Tulsi didn't listen to him or she might have avoided going to serve the MIC personally the way she did.
Regarding, "can grow that message larger make her campaign LARGER" Her growth comes at Sanders expense. As I've already stated but you want to ignore the vast majority of her voters would be supporting Bernie if not for her. Because duh. Because facts. Because reality.
Regarding, "SHE CAN RUN ON BERNIES TICKET." Makes no fucking sense and doesn't make more sense because it's written in all caps. It's not like she needs a campaign to be considered for this. I'm actually far more fond of Bernie picking someone like Nina Turner to be his running mate because she is doing the right thing and supporting Sanders and helping him while Tulsi is hurting him, opposing him, and making it more likely an establishment shill gets the nomination.
Would Sanders be better if Nina were running against him? Of course not. Because reality. Because he, and the country, are better with her supporting Sanders and not opposing him. And the same concepts apply for Tulsi.
Regarding, "But we need Tulsi to overtake Warren and/or Harris first" You make no motherfucking sense. If tulsi ever gets this big she has even more reason to keep campaigning, keep opposing sanders, and keep siphoning votes away from him in a world where progressives would be wise to coalesce around the clear leader of the progressive movement.
Regarding, "WE NEED TO KEEP TULSI IN THE FUCKING RACE SO JUST STOP SHOOTING YOURSELF IN YOUR “INTELLECTUALLY HONEST” FOOT AND GIVE TULSI A SINGLE FUCKING DOLLAR" The irony is something. In reality you are shooting yourself in the foot. You and tulsi are splitting the progressive movement, you are making it more likely an establishment fuck like biden wins, and the sooner tulsi gets out of the way and endorses sanders, like she should have just done from the get go, the better. Every dollar I'm giving in this election cycle is going to Sanders because he is our best hope of getting a progressive in the WH. All progressives, peasants and politicians, would be wise to be working toward that goal while Tulsi is siphoning votes from him. Our best chance is unifying. Because duh. Do the world a favor and realize this sooner rather than later.
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@d-risky4994 Regarding, " you’re feelings are getting in the way of reason" The irony.
Regarding, "I very easily donated money to both Sanders and Gabbard" Fine. You know why you pick those 2? Because they are in the same motherfucking lane and you damn well know it. But you want to lie about the fact that they share the same voter pool because of what that reality means.
Regarding, "Because as you’ve said they are in the same lane, on the same ideological team." Cool. Obviously. No shit. But in reality only one of them can win the primary. I can only vote for one of them. I need to pick a side. I don't get to have my cake and eat it to.
Your original post you call them allies. But they are not even if they are in the same lane. The primary is a war where only one gets to win. They are on OPPOSITE SIDES trying to win over voters from the same lane. You know who really is an ally of Bernie? Nina Turner. Because that's the reality that you want to ignore.
Regarding, "Show the country that those who follow the true progressive path are rewarded with support so it pushes out charlatans like Warren and Harris." You want to know one of the ways I determine if people like Warren and Harris are charlatans? I ask myself if I think that what they are doing is in progressives interest. Well Gabbard isn't working in progressives interest anymore than Warren and Harris are when it comes to opposing Sanders. ALL OF THEM ARE OPPOSING HIM.
I've picked my team. I'm on team Bernie Sanders. And as much as I love Tulsi she is taking a knife and plunging it in his back at the moment.
You never answer any of my questions. I don't just ask them rhetorically ya know. There are points embedded in them.
Regarding, "Because while you keep saying that Tulsi voters are stealing from Bernie, I’m saying that donating $1 isn’t voting" The principles are IDENTICAL. Both are ways of showing support. Tulsi isn't getting a dime from me. I was on her mailing list. I sent her an email about 2 weeks before she announced her running and begged her not to run. I begged her not split progressive support. Don't get me wrong, it's not like I thought she was going to read it much less have it affect her, but I have understood the pitfalls of splitting the progressive vote going in. I wasn't just going to act like I didn't think she was fucking over Bernie while she was fucking him over because I want to like her.
SHE'S FUCKING UP. Why the fuck would I want to support that? How the fuck do you think that makes any motherfucking sense?
Regarding, "I’m saying that two ideological allies working to steal voters from Biden, Warren, & Harris" YOU ARE AN IDIOT. How the fuck did you end up on the smart team? It's like you have no fucking clue how elections work and how votes are distributed. I don't know how to make my points anymore clear so that you might understand them.
Regarding, "then joining forces to win the nomination" What the fuck are you talking about? Candidates don't get to share delegates.
Regarding, "Bernie’s biggest weakness is that he believes the other people on that stage are his friends" I am dumbfounded by how idiotic I find the things you say. The guy who calls for a "political revolution," the guy who was fucked over in the primary in 2016, the guy who goes out of his way to call himself an independent, the guy who has been smeared constantly since the beginning of time, the guy who is constantly bombard by "gotcha" questions believes the other people on that stage are his friends? What the fuck are you smoking? As always you have conclusions that you want to get to and just trying say anything to justify getting there. In reality the shit you say makes no motherfucking sense and it is beyond infuriating. I mean, I'm used to this type of stupid shit coming from trump supporters and Hillary/biden fans but coming from an "ally" this type of stupidity makes me want to shake a baby.
Regarding, "he doesn’t smear or attack, even when it is justified... he plays on the defensive all the time" You almost said something that wasn't completely moronic and then you went and fucked it up. Yes smearing and attacking isn't his thing. But it's not about being "defensive." It's about presenting his vision for the future. And you know what? It works. He doesn't need to tear people down because what people crave, even if they don't realize it, is a vision for the future, a plan for things to come, and substantive ways he might make their lives better. If you want a cunt whose who plan is smearing, tearing down others, and attacking constantly you may as well go support Trump because that's all he does. Sanders on the other hand would rather tell you how he is going to improve your life rather tell you why the other person sucks. It's just another way he is different than the average politician and just another reason why he is the fucking man.
Regarding, "There is no way he calls out Warren for her hawkishness." Thank god we had Tulsi on the debate stage with warren so that she could take him down a peg. Oh wait... Warren had a great night overall while Tulsi shit the bed until she had a moment taking down a clown whose name I don't even remember at the moment. Even Warren raised her hand to give the private health insurance industry the finger while tulsi disappointed me so much I wanted to break my tv.
Regarding, "You’re not being intellectually honest by questioning Tulsi’s superiority on foreign policy," Really? Because I gave a couple pretty good reasons why I question her superiority on the matter. First she enabled the MIC personally through her service and secondly her experience preaching a message of peace is nothing compared to Bernie who has been advocating for peace his whole life. The best argument that can be made for her "superiority" is that foreign policy is the only topic she really wants to talk about. Shit even when asked about the gender pay gap she thought giving her military resume would be a good idea when Bernie would have actually answered the question given to him.
Regarding, "Bernie paints his foreign policy in broad strokes, she actually fleshes out who, how, and why." American's don't give a fuck about the details. They want a president who brings the troops home and spends the country wealth on them rather than in foreign lands. They don't give a fuck about the nuances between sunni and shia.
Please answer some questions for me.
If Joe Biden ran in 2016 would that have been a game changer to the election to the detriment of Hillary? Assuming you realize this would have been a detriment to Hillary, how is this situation significantly different than what Tulsi is doing to Bernie?
Would Bernie Sanders be better off if Nina Turner would be running against him instead of being busy fighting in his corner? How is this situation different than Tulsi?
Do you understand that progressives are a finite number of voters? And they only get one vote to cast?
Would Bernie Sanders be better off if Warren were not running? Especially when lots of her supporters consider themselves to be progressives? How is this significantly different than what Tulsi is doing?
Do you understand that candidates cannot give their pledged delegates to one another? That the ability of any individual progressive candidate's chances are diminished when they have to share their voter pool?
As I write these I can already imagine the contrived, terrible answers that you are going to give as you do anything and everything to desperately concoct answers that suit the conclusions you want to come to.
I'm not proofreading any of that. I've already wasted far too much time on you already.
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