Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "The Jimmy Dore Show" channel.

  1. Biden: the war machine needs to eat. You don't.
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  2. Vote Jill Stein if you want to give peace a chance.
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  3. My take from all this: horses get better health care than humans.
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  4. I wish Americans would hold America to the same standard they expect from the rest of the world.
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  5. How about a thumbs up if you, like me, voted for Obama and regret it.
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  6. It's not left versus the right... it's the elite versus the peasants. And I'm on team peasant.
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  7. CNN is blaming Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. You know who is more to blame than them? CNN.
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  8. Jon got out before he became the villian.
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  9. Obama fooled me. I can't believe I voted for him twice.
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  10. Free assange and fraud squad, never forget.
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  11. To all those people doing the establishment's bidding by smearing Sanders try and keep in mind that Bernie was the only reason the 2016 "democratic" primary even needed to be rigged in the first place. No one has done more to wake the public than Sanders. No one.
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  12. Fraud squad. Never forget.
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  13. "nothing will fundamentally change." -the one time he told the truth
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  14. Medical bankruptcy is not a thing in Canada. It must be nice.
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  15. Fellow pissed off progressives please still vote in the "democratic" primary. Find the most progressive candidate you can find there and vote for them. That doesn't mean you owe the "democratic" party jack shit during the general if you don't want.
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  16. It was very dumb of Mayim Bialik to say that. All talk of assault should be centered around the perpetrators. It is their fault and no one else's. Period.
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  17. We try to spread democracy around the globe when we need to spread democracy at home.
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  18. Jill Stein for President. Because she is the only candidate running that actually deserves your vote.
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  19. Fraud squad. Never forget.
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  20. I'd be too busy blaming the corporate media for helping create a nuclear war too much to really want to watch them.
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  21. Nobody does paper towels like Trump. Trump has the best paper towels. Bigly. Top notch.
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  22. If Jimmy Dore were a stock I'd buy.
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  23. She is far more impressive than the average politician. I'd vote for her if I could.
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  24. Bernie Sanders 2020!
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  25. She proves that evil hides in plain sight by existing.
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  26. This guy was awesome. Please bring him back for more.
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  27. Don't waste your vote. Cast it for the only candidate who actually deserves it. Jill Stein for President. Ignore the inevitable "Correct the Record" trolls comments. They think not wasting your vote is casting it for terrible candidates. As always they are wrong.
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  28. Reign in the military industrial complex NOW!
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  29. Warren is only progressive when it is politically convenient.
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  30.  @nuancedmilitarism8402  I can only think you are paid to make everyone dumber. I hope your soul was worth the price paid for it.
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  31. He fooled me as well. The lesson I learned is follow the money. My trust is directly correlated to how a politician raises their money.
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  32. "We've been to the border." "You've never been to the border." "I don't understand your point." My point is that you are a liar who was lying.
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  33. It's cheaper, covers everyone, and produces better results.
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  34. Jimmy is the only reason I think I'd ever get a twitter account.
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  35.  @joejose8433  "he needs to start taking care of himself" He looks great and he got out of the game for the most part. I think he's got this.
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  36.  @nuancedmilitarism8402  Did you ever think that voting for the lesser evil is still supporting evil? Do you not understand why supporting evil is dumb? Or are you paid to spout the nonsense you have?
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  37. Sounded like she was blaming the victim to me. The fact that she was talking about her own life was a way of patting herself on the back for not getting assaulted and telling others why they did. The victims shouldn't be the topic of discussion at all. We only should be talking about the perpetrators of the crimes. It is their fault. No one elses.
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  38. This is not true. Some of his career was spent stealing. Have you forgot his plagiarism? Checkmate joe biden hater. I think?
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  39. "as an actual american I have a camp for you to live in whether you like it or not." some shitlib, probably.
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  40. Bernie Sanders 2020 to reform the democratic party from the inside!
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  41. This lifelong democrat will never support corrupt Hillary and a corrupt DNC that rigged the election. Goodbye DNC. Hello Green Party. Jill Stein for President!
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  42. Kallister regarding, "Jill would be a nice change" If you believe this then work to make it happen. Regarding, "our real choice is either Hi$$ary or Trump" Those are not real choices and are not very different in any sort of meaningful way. Regarding, "Make your vote count for something." I am when I vote for Jill Stein. I tell the establishment that I am not going to waste my vote by using it for a garbage candidate. The only wasted votes are votes for terrible people you don't want to win. My vote gets the Green Party closer to the very important 5 percent mark so that the party can receive matching funds in the future and grow and this is very important to a party that doesn't fund their elections through legalized bribes the way the other parties do. Regarding, "Vote Trump which is our vote Against the Hill." Trump is garbage and you are no better than a Hillary supporter when you support him. He would have been considered by Hillary for VP had he not run on the Republican side. Trump is shit. Don't be a fool buying into his BS. "we have to take out their families" is something ISIS should be saying, not a Presidential candidate. That is hardly "giving peace a chance."
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  43. I'd like to buy the book and use it for toilet paper. I won't thou because I don't want Hillary to make money off me.
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  44. Warren went to add, "Cut. It. Out."
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  45. It's not like 20 million from hillary's friend was going to last forever. Burgers and nosejobs aren't cheap.
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  46. You should be sorry if you are actually suggesting that you vote based on a person's appearance.
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  47. "Neil" Think of all the lives we could save if we harvested his body for parts.
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  48. All you people bashing Hillary are sexist and it is your fault Hillary Clinton lost the election. She is a saint and the victim of only Republican smears. I'm just kidding. Seriously thou fuck her. As much as I hate Trump being President I am able to take some comfort in the fact that she is not President. It sucks that she is lingering like a smelly fart but we should be grateful that she won't go away as she is only doing a service to progressives by continuing to show why corporate dems are akin to cancer.
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  49. Nah. She hasn't changed. She was always terrible. The only difference is that now more people realize it.
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  50. Youtube tells me there are 32 replies but only let's me read 13 of them. Thanks for saving me from wrongthink youtube. /s
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  51. Bernie Sanders 2020! Better late than never.
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  52. We don't.
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  53. This guy gives me hope for the future.
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  54. I'd vote for jimmy dore. Just saying.
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  55.  @m00nBB  Just when I thought I couldn't underestimate her idiocy...
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  56. If he does this I will refrain from calling him an orange clown for at least a year.
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  57. Vote your values. Don't worry so much about labels.
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  58. "Why are these people being allowed to be in charge of anything" Because nancy was an important part of the ben franklin presidency.
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  59.  @nuancedmilitarism8402  Are you trying to make me throw up in my mouth? It's working.
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  60. When did the meaning of the word sellout get changed to "does something I disagree with?" Because clearly lots of people these days think that is what it means.
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  61.  @Jbo2000  How much are you paid for what you do? Is it by the hour or by the asinine post?
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  62. Fox is fucking garbage just like CNN or MSNBC unless you like and want to be brainwashed and bombarded with propaganda.
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  63. "hold my.... what's it called again?" -joe biden
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  64. Triple regarding, "a lot of women use their looks to land jobs." This is totally irrelevant, has nothing to do with sexual assault, and has no place in this discussion.
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  65. Agreed. Their arguments are very insulting to everyone's intelligence.
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  66. Trump supporters are fucking morons just like Hillary supporters. Just because Hillary is a piece of shit doesn't mean Trump isn't a piece of shit. He obviously is to anyone with a brain.
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  67. I think it is more likely that you are controlled opposition to tear down about the only politician who is worth a shit.
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  68. Brent regarding, "but we can't always go back to that" It isn't about ALWAYS anything. It is about telling it like it is. It is about doing onto others as we want them to do to us. It is about not sweeping our wrongdoing under the rug because it is us. America is not defined by their name. There actions are not implicitly good. They are only good when they act good. And when we overthrow governments around the world, imprison people, torture people, and when we lock people up and throw away the key without giving them a trial we are not better than anyone. Those are actions that we should be feeling guilty about and I assure you that is what is really going on.
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  69. They could but they don't really want to win any of them... they are meant to be perpetual.
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  70. Jimmy wanted Jill Stein and so did everyone else that is sane.
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  71. Elizabeth Warren can go to hell and take her votes to perpetuate the military industrialized complex with her.
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  72. Don't forget about the jobs that will be lost making mansions, yachts, and jets for the private health insurance industry CEOs.
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  73. "Comedy" pays well in ukraine I guess. Check out his net worth.
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  74. He'd rather be proven wrong.
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  75. Yeah, it is pretty tough to deal with unconditional love and adorability on a regular basis.
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  76. Loppo regarding, "Jill is paid opposition" No she is not but you might be. And if you are not then you are just dumb as fuck.
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  77. True progressives don't enable the military industrial complex. Warren is not a progressive.
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  78. MrB most things in the world are very complicated but this one is quite simple actually. I would like to add that I think it is funny to be called a simpleton by someone who only felt the need to use one word.
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  79.  M G  Both Biden and Trump are racists. Don't be absurd.
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  80. "supposed free speech" Why is it only supposed? Was somebody put in jail for speech? Or maybe free speech extends to everyone? You aren't any less free to say stupid things when I use my freedom of speech to call you an idiot.
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  81. I guess paying as much as then next 10 countries combined (including china) on the military doesn't get you what it used to.
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  82. Canada can afford it but the richest country in the history of the world can't. Got it.
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  83. It's not a new story (and Jimmy has covered it in the past) but it does contain new information.
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  84. You need to be able to have some nuance in your thinking. Yes the party in general sucks balls but that doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for a guy like Tilleman even if he has the audacity to run as a democrat. You don't vote for parties. You vote for people.
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  85. kandy regarding, "jill stein would have shit the bed if she won" What a vague meaningless insult. Regarding, "talk about not enough experiance" As opposed to all the experience Donald Trump is bringing? Or the experience Hillary Clinton has of demonstrating nothing but terrible flawed judgement? Dick Cheney has experience but he too would suck. Judgement is always going to be far more important than experience and Jill Stein had the best judgement. In part because in her judgement the military industrialized complex is out of control and needs to be reigned in. Regarding, "she's a far left FEMALE activist" I am to the left. I do not care about gender and think you are suspect for thinking that was important enough to be put in all caps. And I think being an activist is good. It is far superior to being establishment. Regarding, "Yeah. that would help." Yes. It would of. Sadly we will never know and instead we get another corporate stooge sucking goldman sachs dick and making an oil baron SOS.
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  86. Not voting is practically the equivalent of voting no. That said I would have preferred he actually voted no but don't act as if he voted yes.... he didn't.
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  87. Regarding, "a compromise that everyone will be happy with for Health Care" Do you know anything about our politicians?
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  88. He doesn't really need to push the TPP through. Both parties are for it because it is what the corporations want. The public option not so much.
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  89. I haven't seen his standup. I only know him for his political commentary here and at the YT. I'm sure his standup is great considering his ability to make me laugh while talking about things that should make me cry.
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  90.  @Y0utubeIsFuckingHomo  "Nothing will fundamentally change." Joe biden telling the truth. Checkmate again!
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  91. You are in luck and have found a gem.
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  92. Sounds good to me. Signed sexist Bernie Bro.
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  93. Kallister regarding, "I agree with you" It does not seem that you do. I refuse to give my vote to a terrible person unworthy of my vote and Trump is all that kind of terrible and more. Regarding, "there is only a choice between two less than stellar candidates." No. There isn't. And "less than stellar" is an understatement of epic proportion. Regarding, "Draining the swamp is a start." People call me naive for supporting Stein but I am confident that your belief that he would do this is far more naive. I have zero credible reason to believe Trump would do this. The swamp is his natural habitat.
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  94. Yup. His signature piece of legislation was a Republican policy rather than a progressive policy. He brought war, war, war, war, war, war, and war. He did nothing substantial to regulate wall street. He did nothing to address income inequality. He let Hillary do whatever she wanted. His failed presidency and inability to actually bring hope and change directly led to Trump. People still want and need change and would go to extreme measures to try and get it. The only reason history will remember him fondly is because he is likely to be sandwiched between two of the worst President's in history and American's are all about comparing things rather than judging them by their own merits.
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  95. user regarding, "he had the whole Republican-dominated Congress against him" Not the entire time. He used a democrat controlled house and senate to pass Romneycare nationwide. He could stop DAPL this very moment and it has nothing to do with congress. He represents corporations and his donors. Stop defending him.
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  96.  @user-kcrpine  I don't need him to be poor. I need him to keep calling out the people in power.
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  97. *And all the other wars as well.
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  98.  @Jbo2000  How much are you paid to say the things you do? Is your "soul" worth it?
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  99. Kallister regarding, "Then vote for Jill." Thank you. I will. Regarding, "I voted for Ron Paul and got Bush and Obama." You didn't get Bush and Obama because you voted for Ron Paul. You got Bush and Obama because others voted for them. Nobody thinks change is going to be easy. The establishment is going to do everything they possibly can to hold onto their power. I honestly don't think my vote is going to change anything but I KNOW that if I don't vote for real change I won't get it. Take care.
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  100. Not everyone. Bernie Sanders 2020!
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  101. John Kearns huh? Do you care to elaborate why you are so mad or is stomping your feet all you wanted to do?
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  102. JMV regarding, "i'm keeping my black ass home" Don't be a fool. Don't let them win without a fight. That is exactly what they want.
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  103. "If you are not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." -malcomn X
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  104. Slamz regarding, "success(is this the right word?)" It is not the right word but there really isn't a good word for this. The problem is that it implies that women are in control of their own destiny. That "success" is determined by them. It isn't. It is determined by the perpetrators. And when she tells her story of what worked "FOR HER" it implies that victims did something wrong, "FOR THEM."
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  105.  @etchalaco9971  No. But you probably shouldn't shut down society and mandate people put things into their body.
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  106. Aman, slow your roll. We haven't even had the DNC convention for THIS election. 4 years is long time off. I assure you nobody knows what his plans are then... even Bernie. DC. I'm pretty over Warren these days. I feel quite betrayed by the fact that she didn't endorse Bernie considering the issues she claims to champion. Actions speak louder than words and her actions this cycle were unacceptable to me. Now she endorses Hillary? She should really listen to what she had to say herself about Hillary back in the day. I'd rather support Tulsi Gabbard down the road. But again... that is way, way too far off in the future to really be thinking about. Isn't our election season too long already? At least give everyone a week off after this cycle to rest before the we talk about the next one.
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  107. Matt regarding, "Thats pretty fucking disingenuous." I think you are using the term disingenuous wrong. Regarding, "No country lives up to the standard it demands of other countries" Really? Anyways I'm not sure if you noticed but I'm not talking about other countries. I'm talking about America. America and Americans specifically like to think of itself as being better than the rest of the world but the fact of the matter is that there is no other country that currently threatens the stability of the world like we do. Regarding, "nearly every american hates the Mil Ind complex more than you." More than me? I doubt it. I cite the fact that most of America voted for Hillary or Trump. I on the other hand voted for Jill Stein, in part, because she could be trusted to reign in the military industrialized complex like we so desperately need.
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  108. Do you realize that argument goes both ways? Do you want Iran to have nukes? Well, when Iranians ask why they should or shouldn't have nukes they give the same argument you just gave... the US has them right?... is what they say.
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  109. I'm confident it doesn't.
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  110. Maybe so... but this is not a good reason to support a terrible person who has no business with the job. It's only a good reason to not support biden.
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  111. Look on the bright-side friends... hopefully we learned from our mistakes.
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  112.  @1Mhoram9  He's on the left, unlike any major party.
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  113. Probably because Americans hate people that are perceived to be whining, even when their whining is justified. Do you need Bernie to tell you he was robbed? Because I don't. And the people that don't realize it already aren't all of a sudden going to wake up from their slumber and be like... "you know what, I think Bernie Sanders is on to something. I think he was actually robbed." So he would be giving ammo to be used against him and be would stand to gain nothing other than to stop people like you from making stupid comments.
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  114. Jason you really went above and beyond what was required to prove the original posters point.
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  115.  @oscarosei1985  "show two people with differing opinions can have a good faith debate" Graham took jabs about max not being funny. Graham failed at this.
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  116. GoodDog regarding, "it isn't" What a compelling argument. I've never thought of it that way. I guess I'll just take facts and flush them down the toilet then. Thank you for enlightening me. I was blind but now I see.
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  117. You think Hillary is that answer after her lifetime of fucking people over then you couldn't be more wrong.
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  118. Did she really say that? LMFAO
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  119.  @nuancedmilitarism8402  He's a warmonger who is largely responsible for mass incarceration because of his racist crime bill. Your ability to lick boots is remarkable.
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  120. knowledge regarding, "GREEN PARTY are NOT environmentalists" This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on the internet and I've talked to flat earthers. Regarding, "Jill Stein raised millions of dollars they have never installed a single solar panel on a poor person's home with that cash." Which would be a federal crime. Don't be afraid to do some research into campaign finance laws before spouting nonsense in the future.
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  121. He didn't sell out and to suggest he did suggests a complete lack of understanding what those words mean. He made a decision you disagree with. It happens. The only way you are going to get someone you agree with 100 percent of the time is if you do it so why don't you do the work instead instead of bitching about one of the only politicians actually working for you.
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  122. You can safely assume the answer is oil and natural resources. You can also safely assume the answer is not humanitarian.
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  123. And the average IQ of JD viewers will go up by a remarkable 2 points after you are gone.
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  124.  @worldforalll  We didn't start the fire. And if I didn't hold graham accountable for his actions I'd be a hypocrite.
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  125. Great wall did you know that Canadians are far happier with their health care system than Americans are with theirs while you regurgitate your idiotic talking points?
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  126. Tanner regarding, "some americans do" Of course but not nearly enough and almost none of our politicians sadly.
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  127. And everywhere else for that matter. We need to worry about what is going on in our country, spend our money nation building here, and let the world take care of themselves.
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  128. What could Hillary do to get my vote? Nothing.
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  129. It's not even low key. Max is a genius... big time.
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  130.  @mohegansun2439  Nobody is claiming anyone is perfect. That sounds like the type of strawman argument graham would come up with when he is rattled.
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  131. Don't support evil. Period.
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  132. Youtube says there are 15 replies but I can only see 6. Some land of the free.
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  133.  @therealchristfollower  "you'll all understand that maybe my comment is just a little bit more important than yours" Are you intentionally missing the point that perspective matters? It's pretty obvious for you to say this nonsense.
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  134.  @cockoffgewgle4993  "What does race have to do with anything?" The crime bill that joe wrote that we are talking about predominately affected minorities. It affects them more than it affects people like hunter.
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  135. Clinton supporters should be careful what the ask for. If I voted for the lesser of two evils I think I might be voting for Trump. That said I will not be supporting evil anytime soon. I'd rather vote for Jill Stein and lose than vote for either Trump or Hillary and win.
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  136. I love Jimmy but the one place I disagree with him is on him not seeing the strategy of taking over the "democratic" party. We need change now. We need to win now. This is the quickest and easiest way to get what we want. The establishment is going to try to stop it from happening. The fight is not going to be fair but it can be done and Sanders is in a unique position to do so in 2020. The winner of the nomination holds crazy power. Part of the reason why the "democratic" party currently sucks so bad is because Hillary "won" the nomination and they are going to continue to suck balls until Sanders or a progressive wins the nomination. There is reason to think this will happen in 2020 and after it happens there will be the first hope in a long time that we can get a party that will start caring about the people and not their big money donors.
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  137. Actually it was put in place so that slave states and their 3/5ths people would get more representation then they deserved. As for what it does now it let's swing states dictate to the rest of the country and makes votes in the largest states in the union fucking meaningless. The only thing it does is take a system that is as good as it gets where everyone's vote counts equally and perverts it so that votes are not counted equally.
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  138.  @jakes658  Pete Buttigieg "won" the iowa caucus. Just ask the DNC.
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  139. Haven't you gotten the memo from the establishment? Harris and Booker are the next big thing now get in line or it is your fault Republicans win.
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  140. jeffrey regarding, "and you think that the democrap party would give ole bernie the power to do what he wants?" What? Is this how you would justify not supporting him? The bottom line is that even if Sanders were president and was able to get literally nothing accomplished while in office policywise it would give him the opportunity to win the war of ideas like he is currently doing when it comes to medicare for all. He could be trusted to not make shit worse like the orange clown. And he would be in a position to shape and reform the "democratic" party from the inside. Stop being obtuse.
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  141. Twirlip regarding, "I'm willing to let him follow but he hasn't shown willingness to lead." Doesn't lead? Really? The guy who calls for a political revolution? The guy who is dragging lying corporate dems kicking and screaming into supporting medicare for all? The guy who talks tirelessly about issues? The guy who goes out of his way to win his senate seat as an independent? Let's agree to disagree about him not being a leader shall we.
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  142. More additions to the fraud squad. Never forget.
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  143. I'm pretty sure our bombs are nicknamed "democracy."
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  144. "It's easy if you try." John Lennon putting down Joe Biden from the grave.
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  145. Sounds like something cornpop would say. /s
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  146. I don't care about "disses." I care about lies. That's why grimm has it coming.
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  147. saint regarding, "Do you pay..." No, I expect everything to be free or I'm guessing that's what you think. You want me to bitch about the government? There is plenty to bitch about. I want good government and to me a good government is one that makes sure all of it's citizens have health care. Now shouldn't you be digging a bunker and stockpiling guns somewhere?
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  148. I think we all agree on... Bernie is a hero. Hillary is a Republican. Trump is pure evil.
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  149. If you support fracking then, by all means, vote for Hillary. If you don't vote for Jill Stein.
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  150. LiltheGreat is right. It was more like 2 billion. They would give coverage to Trump's empty podium while Sanders would be speaking in front of record crowds.
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  151. Joe just because you keep repeating something stupid and obviously not true does not make it anymore accurate.
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  152. Jill Stein for sanity's sake.
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  153. Tennis regarding, "you prove this how" Prove what? That illegals aren't voting in droves? The burden of proof isn't on me. It is on the people that want to claim it is actually happening and their "evidence" is nothing but bullshit. Regarding, "to funny" Simple pleasures and terrible spelling for simple people.
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  154. Pandora regarding, "Better him than HRC" I disagree. There is no significant difference between the two. And even if I agreed with that statement, which I don't, isn't it pathetic that that would be the best thing you can say about him? Better than HRC. Wow. Aren't you easily impressed.
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  155.  @hithere8753  So I can either send a message or betray all my principles and values? I'm going to keep my principles and values. I'm going to support good. And if I lose so be it. But if I vote for someone I don't want to win I've already lost and doomed myself to defeat.
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  156.  @DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1  Sometimes he's just creeping out at young girls. Biden haters get nothing right.
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  157. Naz regarding, "I wish he get impeached" Meh. I have no real good reason to believe Pence would be any better but I understand why you think what you do.
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  158. jeff regarding, "i have NEVER voted for a democrap,,,EVER." I'm not exactly sure what your point is or if you are hoping for a cookie for this. Who do you vote for? And I'm not saying that you should be voting for corporate dems. I'm not. You should be voting for progressives. And although they are few and far between in the "democratic" party they do exist and they deserve your support. They are the ones not selling out to big money to win their elections... like justice democrats.
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  159. Regarding, "FUCK BERNIE PIECE OF SHIT WHO WANTS WAR WITH RUSSIA." Provide one example of Bernie Sanders calling for war with russia. I'll wait... forever... because it doesn't exist.
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  160. To all the people whining about Sanders not voting calm the fuck down. The only thing that decides if something like this passes is the number of YES votes. The number of no votes if MEANINGLESS. Sanders has spoken out passionately and repeatedly in favor of net neutrality. His position on this is clear. You can tell because if he wanted to he could have voted yes and didn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBHjfTKfdQs
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  161.  @craigsips8677  You make me feel like I'm living in the movie Idiocracy, except President Camacho was a better president and person then the president I have.
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  162. w regarding, "they're having massive financial problems too" Huh. I didn't know that. Any chance you provide a link that Canada is about to collapse?
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  163. Great wall regarding, " is that why hundreds of thousands of Canadians come to the US for care?" They don't. You are just making shit up.
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  164. Bernie Sanders 2020, the guy the paid trolls fear.
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  165. "unconscious." Nah. He is dumb on purpose.
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  166. Tanner regarding, "but isis" I am confident you are joking but I am going to point out that ISIS would never have been a thing had we not invaded a Iraq under false pretense, overthrew their government, and disbanded their army.
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  167. How doesn't that get old for you?
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  168. Fusion regarding, "You may this it's a sad argument but it's reality." No. It's just a sad argument. Regarding, "A massive amount of liberals defecting to Jill Stein will result in a Trump presidency" I am a liberal/progressive/lefty type. Do you really want to convince me to vote for the lesser of two evils even though there are more than 2 candidates running? Because if I did vote for the lesser of two evils I'd vote for Donald Fucking Trump. Not because of this election but as enru points out because of the next election. Seeing as how I rightfully think we are going to be fucked under Trump and Hillary I'd rather have the country blame the right for the ensuing disaster so that next time around we can get a real progressive in office as opposed to a fake progressive like Hillary or Obama. And I fear the type of candidate the right will put up next time to run after what will be a failed Hillary presidency. Regarding, "That is just fact, even if you don't like that fact." Just because you say shit like this doesn't make it true. We honestly have zero way of knowing for sure how Trump would govern. You do realize he is a liar right? So why are you so quick to believe anything he says when it conveniently fits your narrative. If you actually cared about the environment you wouldn't be willing to support the spokeswoman for fracking.
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  169. Zach can stay. Fire everyone else.
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  170. He might actually make things worse and that is really saying something. We should be afraid. We should have been afraid of the direction of the country long before Trump.
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  171.  @shootingbricks8554  He still has time to gaslight and lie to people online in his free time so that's really what's important. /s
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  172. "the same thing to Tucker that the state tried to do to Chappelle and Joe Rogan." No. They are not the same. Not even close. What the state is trying to do to chappelle and rogan is nefarious and evil. Wolff is just being wrong about tucker. He's dismissive of tucker because he's terrible on some issues and because he's on fox. Ultimately I'm trying to get away from pretending I know someone's motives. At the moment I'm going to treat tucker like my friend when he's acting like my friend and I'm going to treat him like my enemy on issues where he's my enemy. I'm not sure motives really matter even.
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  173. It's tough to find the time in a 24 hour news cycle to cover anything other than Trump's tweets
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  174.  @Attmay  I've known I'm racist against orange people for some time now.
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  175. The war for 2020 is on and you can tell they are scared.
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  176. Narmy regarding, "I'm not joining the Democratic party to vote in their rigged primaries." So your pride is more important to you than do what is best for the country? Suck it the fuck up. You are only doing yourself a disservice if you don't.
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  177. sq regarding, "it's a failed dying party" It isn't dead and as much as it should be it isn't going to die anytime soon. You don't want to vote for a dem in the general? Fine. Don't. I sure as fuck won't try to convince you to. But vote for the most progressive candidate in the primary you can. It is in your interests to do so. And if you want a good reason why how about because it is what Perez won't want you to do.
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  178. Qasim regarding, "If Bernie Sanders isn't leaving the democratic party, then f* him too!" Way to go, you already have something in common with democrats and republicans. You all care more about party labels than you do about the person.
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  179. John regarding, "My sources told me Bernie took a buyout package to stop campaigning amd support Hillary" Your "source" is the establishment trying desperately to smear the only politician working for the people. I wanted Bernie to tell Hillary and the DNC to go fuck themselves but I understand why he did what he did even if I disagreed with him on it. Sadly he isn't perfect but he will have my support in 2020. Better late than never.
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  180. "Left eating the left." As if CNN or Cuomo are "the left." The war isn't between the left and the right. It's between the elite and the peasants.
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  181. Triple regarding, "That she never used her looks and thus never was molested." But that isn't why she was never assaulted.
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  182. NYC regarding, "Most people know that knowing and accepting reality" Thanks for the laugh considering you have no idea what reality looks like. Regarding, "The office of Presidency is not intended for a person that has no knowledge at all pertaining to the inner workings of legislating." Jill Stein is incredibly intelligent. I am confident she can figure it out. What will be forever more important than experience is judgement. Jill Stein has good judgement. Hillary has demonstrated nothing but terrible judgement. Dick Cheney has knowledge pertaining to the inner workings of legislature so to you I guess you think he too is what we need for President. You can't be this dumb can you? Seriously you must be being paid to lie to the public right? Get a real job. What you are doing is making the world a worse place. Change. Immediately. Please.
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  183. I'd rather vote for Nixon than Hillary. Especially now that he is dead, but I'd still rather vote for him if he were alive.
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  184. Eirikr Sanford, I know you are there. Kallister responded to you. I got an email saying you responded. It says there are far more replies than I can see, but I can't see any of your comments here. It is very weird. I apologize if you have said something I should respond to. (or anyone else for that matter) I would if only I could see it. In the meantime I'm blaming Russia... like Hillary and company would.
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  185. This is as close as I get to disagreeing with Jimmy. I don't think the fact that Trump won the election is a good reason to not bring up illegal immigrants voting if it were actually true. The reason it shouldn't be brought up is because it doesn't exist like Trump claims.
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  186. Cody regarding, "isn't on the ballot in NC." Then write her in. She is registered as a write in candidate so your vote will be counted. http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access
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  187. Islam thank you for ignoring everything I bothered to say. You go ahead and choose between a douche and turd... that isn't wasting your vote. SMH
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  188. Bob regarding, "Don't you know that this might NEVER have happened if people hadn't voted for a spoiler" You think people are entitled to votes. They aren't. You think that people who voted for Nader would have naturally gone to Gore. They don't. I'm voting for Jill Stein this election but you are going to think that vote belongs to Hillary even thou she has done nothing in her entire life to deserve it. She has actually worked against my interests and beliefs her entire life. If I voted for who I think the lesser of two evils is I'd vote for Donald POS Trump. But you don't care about this inconvenient fact. You will just say my vote belonged to Hillary or some other BS talking point. Don't blame Trump voters for Trump, the DNC for rigging the primary, or Hillary for sucking her entire life, point the finger at me even though if anyone has a gripe with my vote it should be Trump and company. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth
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  189. Erik regarding, "Nobody said Hillary is entitled to your vote." It certainly is implied when Bob says, "Don't you know that this might NEVER have happened if people hadn't voted for a spoiler" I'm not voting for a "spoiler" when I vote for Jill Stein. I'm voting for the only candidate that represents me, my priorities, and my ethics. I'm voting for the only candidate running who actually deserves my vote. But to sheep that means spoiler. Regarding, "We're saying voting for Hillary is probably in your best interest" Well, you are very, very, very wrong. Hillary is everything I despise about our political system, politicians, and state of politics. And it isn't up to you. It isn't your vote so it isn't your call. Regarding, "you're most likely throwing your vote towards nothing" I'm getting the Green party closer to the very important 5 percent mark even if she doesn't win and I'm letting the establishment know I'm not going to choose between a douche and a turd. Regarding, "actually impacting who the next President is." You seem to think I consider Hillary and Trump to be very different. They aren't, at least not in any sort of meaningful way. (being a better liar is not a meaningful difference) Regarding, "Nobody is denying you the right to do that. We're just point out what it means." You are blaming Green party voters already if Hillary loses. Stop denying that. Regarding, "There are only two outcomes this election" No there aren't. Regarding, "Good luck to you if you think doing something else has a bigger impact on your future." I will. My vote isn't just about this election but about all the elections yet to come.
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  190. Jesus regarding, "This time I voted Trump." I don't think you are racist for that but I do think you are being a fool for supporting that conman and clown.
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  191. "sick of being lectured to." Are we suppose to care? That lecture was about peace and about hypocrisy. That lecture is actually the same lecture that jimmy gives. It's only funny because he got the names mixed up.
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  192. Regarding, "because that is too hard." I don't think they say that. I think they say it is harder. Regarding, "Isn't hard easier than impossible?" Well they obviously disagree with you about it being impossible. Regarding, "as the dnc rigged primary lawsuit proved, the establishment dumocrats have every right to pick their candidate in smoke filled rooms and ignore primary and caucus results." You are mischaracterizing the case. The fact of the matter (as much as it is wrong) the party does absolutely have the ability to pick a candidate if they want. That said they do choose to have primaries and they argue they do not really need to be fair. It is fucked up. It is wrong. But still they can't just ignore the results of elections as soon as they have them. You go ahead and try to build a 3rd party if you want. Some are going to try to take over the "democratic" party hostile takeover style. And some are somewhere imbetween like myself. We can disagree on the tactics and still be friends I hope. I would like to add that you should be supporting good people who share your values, concerns and ethics and support them regardless of a party label.
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  193.  @SharisVoice  Regarding, "you think 7 people can instantly fix a corrupt government?" Cool strawman argument. I do think they could have forced the vote on m4a. That's why they are frauds. Stop bootlicking.
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  194. Trump is a conman and you are a moron for supporting him.
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  195. Regarding, "Everything trump said was right." I have bridge to sell you. It's tremendous. Bigly. Top notch.
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  196. Promoting Shit Pai is how Trump, "drained the swamp."
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  197. If you think Russia didn't fuck with us then you are willingly being blind to the obvious truth even if the importance of that truth is being wildly overblown by the corporate media. He absolutely has spoken out about the DNC rigging the game although there is a case to be made that he could have said more. But try to lie to yourself. There is nothing Sanders could say or do that is going to convince the idiots that still think the primary was fair to think otherwise. Bernie has not sold out his principles at all and you are being foolish if you think he has. I continue to support him because, not only am I able to look at a lifetime of working for progressive policies to know exactly what I'm getting with him, but because he is the most popular politician in the country with the name recognition of a rock star. All important advantages if we are to have hope of overcoming a rigged system. The establishment appreciates you doing their work for them with your efforts to smear him. They thank you for being a useful idiot.
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  198. Regarding, "who do you think is the establishment person. Me, who is against Hillary and Trump and Bernie when he pushes for war with Russia" Yes. You are acting like an establishment dipshit. Because you lie. Bernie Sanders has never pushed for war with Russia. Never. Ever. But that doesn't stop you from pushing that bullshit and misrepresenting reality the exact same way the establishment does. Regarding, "Bernie pushing the establishment line that Trump won because he colluded with Russia" Again I am pretty sure that you are lying. Not quite as sure as the claim that Sanders is calling for war. You are taking the fact that Sanders has questioned Russian involvement in the election and are twisting it to suit your BS narrative. Maybe I'm wrong. I dare you to prove your claim. When has Sanders ever said that Trump won because he colluded with Russia. I'm sure you can do that if what you said is true. Regarding, "you still think I am a Hillary or Trump supporter" No. I think you are stupid, just like Hillary and Trump supporters because you say stupid things including working to smear darn near the only politicians working for the people. Regarding, "If you can't see that I am against war" You say this like Sanders has pushed for war with Russia. But he hasn't. That is why you are an idiot. Nothing changes the fact that you, Hillary supporters, and Trump supporters have found common ground in working to unfairly smear Sanders. Good luck with that going forward.
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  199. In your comment you are at least talking about quantum string theory. Greta wasn't even doing that. Advantage you.
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  200. Random that wasn't truth, that was bullshit. You probably just don't realize it because you are being brainwashed by fox news.
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  201. Hi there!
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  202. MRost regarding, "you could have done things differently and maybe avoided it. That's not victimblaming." It is, by very definition, victim blaming. You are blaming the victim for not doing things differently. You are implying it was their fault they didn't avoid it. Just because you wrote "it's not your fault and you didn't deserve it" before it doesn't mean you then get to go and say why you think it was their fault and why they did deserve it.
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  203. Don't have children.
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  204.  @LP-mz7hd  It's sarcasm.
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  205. Sanders is not pandering. He has been preaching this all his life. Thanks to him the others are forced to pander.
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  206.  @sniperjared  "only sets up a 3 strike policy for felons" We live in a world where whites and blacks use weed at the same rate (white are arguably just a touch more actually) but blacks are imprisoned for it at about 4 times the rate. Even if it "only sets the rules..." we know exactly how those rules are enforced unless you are being willingly obtuse.
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  207. Matthew regarding, "warren" I can't stand her. I don't trust her. I don't think I'd vote for her in the general. But if she is the best candidate in the primary when it comes around I will support her because it only makes sense to try and get the most progressive candidate to win the primary.
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  208. Zox regarding, "NO." Very short-sighted and very foolish. I'm starting to understand how progressives get portrayed as children.
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  209. The most popular politician in the country is "unelectable" think mental midgets.
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  210. Ted Cruz will never let that happen.
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  211. Youtube says there are 12 replies but I can only see 8. Isn't that the type of thing that is suppose to make china the bad guy?
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  212. Inti regarding, "we're fine" Good to hear. I thought maybe something was going on that I didn't know about.
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  213. Na Na regarding, "the last 3 job interviews i went to i was told "We are not hiring white men for this position"" You are full of shit.
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  214. Norway they purge voters and rig the game because they know it does matter. But you go ahead and give up without fighting. That is exactly what they want.
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  215. "nothing will fundamentally change." joe biden in a private meeting to his owners
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  216. She is not the real deal. These are votes for 700 billion for the military. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00199#position
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  217. Please clap.
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  218. The rich love war because there is money to made there. They get their way because America is actually an oligarchy these days.
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  219. Never Hillary. Never Trump. Jill Stein 2016!
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  220. Please do not support a candidate and a party willing to rig elections. Never Hillary. Jill Stein for President!
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  221. Gisli regarding, "But boy did he make it look good, though." Yup. He was a great public speaker. Too bad he sucked as a leader.
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  222. Elizabeth regarding, "just voted Jill Stein" That is definitely being part of the solution rather than being part of the problem. Even if Jill doesn't win that gets them one step closer to the very important 5 percent threshold so that the Green party can get federal funding. It isn't as if they rely on the legalized bribes of big money and corporations the way the 2 major parties do to fund their campaigns after all and they need that money to grow.
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  223. Hillary Clinton, "As President, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic, and military responses." No big deal thou. It wasn't as if Hillary Clinton was currently accusing Russia of cybercrimes to distract and deflect from the fact she was caught being corrupt as fuck. And here is a another example of "she's more of the same..." http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/clinton-no-fly-zone-2013-youre-going-kill-lot-syrians-2016-could Trump said "pussy" thou so I should vote for Hillary even though she has spent her entire life working against what I believe in and support. That makes sense in a retarded kind of way.
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  224. "We're"? Why are you still a democrat? Time to leave the party and join the Green party.
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  225.  @justinbailey6515  I can only see your reply but there are apparently 2 more. Land of the free am I right? /s
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  226. Lucky for us our chances of him dying are higher. Obviously.
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  227. Not always. Trump didn't do it right.
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  228. He's reckless enough to start WW3... and they are happy to give him 80 billion more for the military.
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  229. Don't get me wrong I love Ventura too. That doesn't mean I need to agree with him about everything.
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  230. Or to give people health care.
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  231. Lots of the troops are poor people who do it to pay for education. They are also brainwashed into thinking they are "protecting the country" when they are in fact invading other countries.
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  232. MRost regarding, "They shouldn't have the right to beat my ass." No. They absolutely should not. Regarding, "That's basically your argument." Not exactly.
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  233. op kingdom regarding, "All JD/WNC Candidates need to run as Greens in each GENERAL and bypass the Dems altogether." I understand why you would say this but I disagree. Regarding, "The Greens have a national presence/infrastructure and are 100% willing to embrace the Progressive candidates." I love the Green Party. I identify with them far more than I do any other party. That said winning, although not the only thing, is very important to me. I admit to being demoralized after Jill Stein's showing last election. She wasn't running against 2 of the most despised politicians in the country, she was running against 2 of the most despised HUMANS in the country. Still she only got about 1 percent of the vote (I'm told. I have my doubts in all honesty.) And so they are plan B for me. Plan A is to get a true progressive to win the "democratic" nomination like Sanders, Gabbard, or Turner. If a progressive can win the primary they will not run the risk of splitting left leaning thinkers during the general. And remember that winning the most electoral votes isn't enough to win the general. An independent would need a majority of electoral votes. Let's say a 3rd party candidate wins the presidency. They are immediately opposed by both major parties and they will likely be able to get nothing done. Then after they are gone everything goes back to normal and it is business as usual. If Sanders or a true progressive wins as a dem they would be able to reform the party from the inside. They would be able to enact certain reforms unilaterally like, for example, banning them from accepting their legalized bribes among others. Then we might have a party that cares about the people rather than just caring about their big money sugar daddies. Not only that but then democrats would be more willing to work with them instead of unilaterally opposing them on everything. Please work to build the green party. I will certainly be voting for them if the dems nominate a corporate stooge. But please vote in the "democratic" primary. That is very different and has nothing to do with your vote in the general. Regarding, "It is LITERALLY the only hope for getting Progressives into Office." Maybe you are right and I'm just being naive. Maybe there is no hope a progressive can win the "democratic" nomination. If and when that happens I will happily join with you to vote for the Green candidate. But until then I'm going to try and get a true progressive to win the dem nomination. But that is a bridge I will only cross when I get there.
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  234. AJ regarding, "I'd be curious as to where you found the statistics that claim Bernie is the most popular politician." Literally every poll since the last presidential election that has tried to gauge it. Regarding, "doesn't really matter" You go ahead and tell yourself that all you want. The sane understand that your claim is asinine.
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  235. She sucks and should go away but she really helps progressives by sticking around and reminding people what is wrong with the "democratic" party. I hope she runs in 2020. I think it would only help make sure an actual progressive wins because she would squeeze out the other corporate smucks that the public is not quite as sure are sellouts. The public is slow but they do realize how terrible she is and she would stand no chance of winning in 2020.
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  236.  @TheGodsrighthandman  I can only think you are being intentionally dishonest. For example biden would veto M4A if he gets the chance. He is not the left. Sincerely, an actual leftist.
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  237. Trump is garbage and so is Fox.
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  238. "And some bad banking too which I know a lot about." 5:17 Trump pretty much just admitted he is a criminal and engages in "bad banking."
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  239. No. He didn't. He voted against it. It really isn't that hard to educate yourself and not spread bullshit. I can only think that you are intentionally lying to people. You suck at life. Don't be afraid to do the right thing and change your lies. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00199
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  240. You make good points but I can't help but think that what she said was in TERRIBLE taste. To me she is very much implying that if you don't want to be assaulted you need to, not be a 10, don't diet, don't have plastic surgery, don't exercise, wear sweatpants, don't flirt and if you do then you share some of the blame.
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  241. I honestly don't care if she doesn't have a chance. Voting isn't about trying to pick the winner. I'd rather vote for her and lose than vote for either Trump or Hillary and win.
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  242. I didn't think so from the other things you said. I just get so tired of everyone playing "which turd smell better."
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  243. Trump is complete POS and you are no better than a Hillary supporter if you vote for him. Realize there are more than those 2 shit options and support someone else.
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  244. Auceza please pull your head out of your ass. Regarding, "The MSM" That MSM that you despise gave him BILLIONS in free media. Regarding, "the Crooked MSM wouldn't support Sanders that much." Yeah. No shit. The MSM would rather an establishment tool like Trump win that a real threat to the establishment like Sanders. You do know that the media doesn't do the voting thou and the people do right? The people love Sanders and that was what was important. Run along and believe whatever you want to believe. I know you will.
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  245. Auceza regarding, "I liked Trump since the beginning." Then you are a moron. You were going to vote for Trump regardless. People like myself who were not going to vote for a POS weren't going to vote or, like myself, voted for Jill Stein. Had I had the chance to vote for Bernie I would have jumped on it. Regarding, "i watched his whole interviews and his whole speeches" Me too unfortunately. The MSM would run his shit constantly and unedited. They would cover Trump's empty podium while Sanders would be speaking in front of record crowds. If you believed his BS then you are a fucking sheep. Good luck with your clown.
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  246. Warrior regarding, "Personnel IS policy." And it is going to be even more so with Trump. Keep in mind that he asked Kasich to run with him and if he did Kasich could be in charge of foreign and domestic policy while Trump "makes America great again." Trump has no desire to actually govern. He is going to delegate the entire job out to other people.
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  247. That is sarcasm right? I hope. It's tough to tell on the internet sometimes.
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  248. That is funny considering the sources you just cited on other posts. I guess that is your idea of "real news." You are an idiot.
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  249. Nik is right Secular Talk is good. There is also the Humanist Report and Redacted Tonight.
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  250. YuRM regarding, "how do you people continue to be this naive" Great irony. Thanks for the laugh. Regarding, "Where have you been over the past year?" Not on Breitbart and watching Alex Jones like some.
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  251. Auceza. Bernie Sanders had done more to expose the establishment and call them out that pretty much anyone on the planet. Is he perfect? Hardly. But he seems perfect compared to the others names you mentioned. Regarding, "But progressives like that." You are an idiot. Only a moron would think this makes sense.
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  252. Mega regarding, "the only positive thing I could think of during Obama's presidency" I tend to think of getting Bin Laden and doing so in a way that gained us the maximum amount of intelligence (as opposed to just droning him). That said for the most part he was nothing more than a total disappointment. I guess he helped starve off a depression but at the same time he did nothing to prevent the same types of problems in the future. The banks are bigger than ever. I don't think he even considered bringing back glass-steagal. Main street was never bailed out. Even as I type this I can't help but feel regret for voting for him. Hope and Change? Nope. Same old, same old.
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  253. All you Stein supporters give me some much needed faith in humanity during very depressing times. Thank you. Take care all.
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  254. Erik you go ahead and think I'm wasting my vote when I cast it for Jill Stein. In my opinion the only way I could waste my vote is if I cast it for a terrible candidate like Hillary or Trump. I want neither of them to win.
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  255. Regarding, "that its ok for illegals to vote" I dare you to try to provide evidence of your lie because you can't.
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  256. http://www.jimkeady.com/welcome?splash=1
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  257.  @CarloBiondi  They are not. They are everywhere spouting propagandist BS. Check any thread and you will see more bootlicking nonsense.
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  258.  @hithere8753  Regarding, "I don't know what your principles are." You do. Don't support evil is a principle. And it's a good one. It's something everyone should easily be able to get behind. But our world is pretty messed up and people find lots of terrible reasons to rationalize supporting evil.
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  259. Regarding, "DNC rigs the primary against Bernie again" At least try to be consistent about the stupid things you say. You go from saying that Bernie has sold out his principles but now you say the DNC is going to rig it against him. Why would they rig it against him if what you originally said was true? Well, obviously what you originally said was not true and even you at some level realize it is bullshit. You are right. The DNC is going to do everything to rig the primary. The game has already started. They will do anything and everything to smear him (note, THIS IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT YOU ARE DOING). But Sanders has weapons he didn't have in 2016. In 2016 he was down 50 points to Hillary. The establishment was effective at portraying Hillary as inevitable. In 2020 Sanders will be the frontrunner. The game has changed even if it still isn't fair. Regarding, "I don't see you to be any different to the Hilbots and Trumptards." That is pretty funny coming from the guy who tries to smear Sanders in the exact same way hillshills and trumptards do. Regarding, "And based on your reasoning, because Bernie is the most popular candidate with the best chance of winning because of name recognition, we should should just bend over and accept whatever he does, regardless of our own values or principles." No dipshit. I'm saying that because I'm a progressive, as is Sanders, I'm going to support him, in part because of the advantages he holds over any other progressives. Try not to overthink it and make it into something it isn't. Regarding, "winning is more important than doing what is right." Holy shit are you stupid. Seriously you are exactly like Trump and Hillary supporters. Winning isn't everything but it is important despite your effort to pretend it isn't. Again good luck with your efforts to smear Sanders. You share that trait with Hillary and Trump supporters. The establishment loves you for it.
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  260.  @levanmikadze4748  "Jimmy is a progressive Dem" You must be new here.
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  261.  @levanmikadze4748  He used to be a dem. And I used to be a dem. Those days are LONG gone.
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  262.  @Jannakennels  "anti-imperialism" Trump isn't that. He stopped 0 wars and had LOTS to choose from. You can't drop as many bombs as he did and call yourself "anti-imperialist."
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  263.  @scottwaters998  "why do you lie then hide like a coward when confronted?" I didn't lie. I gave the guy an article as evidence and he calls it "no evidence." I just have better things to do with my time. Why do you lie about me lying? Shouldn't you at least say what you are think I'm lying about?
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  264.  @sonjakozman1699  "it's a bug" It's not a bug. It's a feature. It's by design.
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  265. Do what you have to do to vote in the "democratic" primary going forward. Make them cheat if they are going to win. That doesn't mean you owe them jack shit in the general election if you don't want.
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  266.  @sowianskiwojownik5973  Don't give big gym any ideas. I'm still paying for a gym membership I tried to cancel years ago.
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  267. Chris regarding, "That is your mistake for thinking that people needed Bernie to 'wake up'" Meanwhile, in reality, millions and millions of people are fast asleep. Meanwhile, in reality, that number is less then it was in large part to Sanders. Regarding, "only YOU can wake yourself up." Is this suppose to be deep or something? Have you never been influenced by anyone? A teacher, parent, or friend has never enlightened you about anything? I guess not but you are alone in that regard on the planet.
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  268. M4A doesn't mandate you even go to a doctor much less put things into your body. What an asinine apples to oranges comparison.
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  269. You are an idiot.
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  270.  @cockoffgewgle4993  "people who committed crimes and did drugs" Meanwhile hunter biden is out and about.
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  271. So give up, throw up the white flag, and don't even make them rig it? No thanks.
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  272. op kingdom regarding, "I'm voting Green only." If you want to vote for the Green party candidate in the general go right ahead. I happily voted for Jill Stein last general. But there is no green party candidate during the "democratic" primary and that election gives you the opportunity to shape their candidate or, at the very least, send them a message that you want progressive values. Regarding, "Dems will just use super delegates to screw over Progressives" They will absolutely do everything they can to fuck with things including using the superdelegates. That said there are less of them thanks to Sanders. I fucking hate the party. I really do. But use the opportunity you have to try and shape them with the little power you have. Don't let them win without a fight. And again if you want a good reason why, how about because it is what Perez and all the other corporate dems DON'T want you to do.
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  273. Don't pick evil. Pick good and be ok losing while not supporting evil.
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  274. Max regarding, "The DNC admittedly rig their primaries" Yes they did. Because they don't want Bernie to win. It really speaks well of his character. Regarding, "Bernie has clearly been coopted" You are being silly. You are mad he endorsed Hillary? Fine. I get that. It was a fucking endorsement. Stop acting like it was his soul. I fucking love Bernie Sanders and I voted for Jill Stein during the general because only sheep vote based on someone else's endorsement and I'm not a sheep. Regarding, "It's pointless." That is what the establishment wants you to think. They want you to quit fighting. Don't.
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  275. "He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." Donald Trump about Epstein.
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  276. "I would have to be higher than a kite" If that's all it took I'd be watching it right now.
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  277.  @oscarosei1985  It's not our fault that graham failed at what you claim they were there to do.
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  278.  @jivet3919  Everyone other than ana and TYT who are his partner affiliates really.
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  279.  @etchalaco9971  "we should do nothing about it" Nope. Never said or implied this. "crossing out fingers and hope for the best" That's not what I advocate for. Do you always strawman like this? Do you have anything to offer about the things I actually said?
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  280. Seth, Sanders has been fighting the good fight his entire life, including, as William points out, against the military industrial complex. It is hardly his fault the rest of the government is garbage.
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  281. No shit right. Actual Orangutans are cool.
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  282. FoxTopia The only vote that is thrown away is a vote for a candidate that does not represent a person's values, priorities, policies, and ethics. Jill Stein is the only candidate running that represents me so I will be happy to be voting for her. Good luck with your conman.
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  283. Kwisatz regarding, "sense of humour fail" I get that you were trying to make a joke. I was trying to make a valid point. There is room in the world for both.
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  284. I'm with her. Jill Stein that is!
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  285. Please stop playing the establishment game of trying to figure out who is worse. It really doesn't matter who is the greater evil when both are evil. Evil is evil is evil and the rest is just details, distractions, and noise. They both suck. Neither Trump nor Hillary are worthy of your vote.
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  286. Auceza regarding, "Trump wasn't disliked." That's why he got less votes than another POS hated person like Hillary Clinton.
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  287. Warrior regarding, "your sense of betrayal as Trump fucks over the working class yet again" Auceza will have plenty of excuses and rationalizations to excuse the clowns actions. They are likely blissfully unaware that he is filling positions with nothing but lobbyists.
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  288. Warrior regarding, "so can I just say that you're rad" I'm ok with that. Thank you. My biggest weakness is that I can be quite abrasive at times. I don't tolerate ignorance very well. Regarding, "Ever thought about running for office" Never seriously. The closest I've ever considered about really being political is heading to ND to protest. That I did consider seriously doing. In hindsight I wish I were there at the moment.
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  289. Never Hillary. Never Trump. Jill Stein for President. She isn't popular with war mongers but she should be popular with you.
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  290. Zach if you think I made soda's point and not my own it only seems that way to you because you are an idiot. Is it ok for me to say that? I think so BECAUSE I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. You can't claim to be for freedom of speech and think that I need to mind my own fucking business at the same time. Freedom of speech means I do not have to mind my own fucking business. You don't understand because you are stupid. If you have a problem with me calling you stupid the answer is to stop acting stupid and saying stupid things rather than trying to tread on my freedom of speech.
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  291. There certainly was but it was probably about 100 people across the country and to suggest it was millions if fucking absurd. If somebody wants to know the truth about voter fraud they should want recounts. Instead Trump cries like a bitch about them happening.
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  292. I'm not a big fan of chanting generally but... CNN SUCKS! CNN SUCKS! CNN SUCKS!
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  293. Regarding, "And what would we do if they invaded our country" The same people that freak out over illegal immigrants here in search of a better way of life never seem to understand that dropping bombs in foreign countries creates as many enemies as it destroys. Also thank you for your service.
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  294. We will go ahead and get trillions of dollars ready to bail out the elite then.
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  295. Carol regarding, "MSM is on its deathbed" I wish. Sadly I think this is hyperbole.
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  296. If you consider yourself on the left please do not support Hillary. Please realize Jill Stein is the only candidate that represents you and your values. Jill Stein for President!
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  297. Regarding, "It is also an accurate statement that once Trump gets in the white house he will be 10x (at least) worse than Hillary on the environment." Since you can accurately predict the future I was wondering if you could give me some powerball numbers.
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  298. More government? It's just government. We are always going to have it so let's try to improve it.
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  299. Stop playing the establishment game of who is worse, neither is worthy of support. Vote third party. They need our support if we are ever going to do better than a broken 2 party system.
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  300. Moh Mooney I saw that as well and was left shaking my head. How can he ignore the fact that around 30K emails were deleted and we have no way of knowing what was in them? Would it be so hard to believe that classified information was conveniently deleted? Then again Hillary assures us that those emails were just about yoga and personal information not related to work. Even her explanation is garbage. If we are to believe her story then she spent half her time at work doing anything other than work and this is suppose to be ok? I don't get it. I do not understand what is wrong with the country that so many people are willing to vote for either Hillary or Trump.
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  301. Auceza regarding, "Bernie is a sellout." You are using the term sellout wrong. A sellout gets something of value like money. There is no reason to believe this was the case with Bernie. When Bernie was running he said over and over that he didn't want Trump to win and considered him a threat. He said over and over and over that he would do whatever he could to prevent Trump from winning. I wanted him to tell the DNC to fuck off and run with Jill Stein. He didn't and although I disagree with him I get it because Bernie Sanders said over and over what he was going to do and he has a way of doing what he says he will. Regarding, "The Green Party will shit on you, too." The Green Party is different in that they do not accept legalized bribes from big money and corporations. That means the are free to represent the people and not the people paying to fund their elections. There is a direct correlation between money and corruption. That is, in part, what makes the Green Party superior at the moment.
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  302. That's absurd. I'm not a fan of Obama but he is by far more popular with the country than Hillary or Trump.
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  303. Alan actions speak louder than words. Warren talks the talk but she is not walking the walk.
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  304. I don't care if she would be better than Trump. What kind of a standard is that anyway? EVERYONE IS BETTER THAN TRUMP! Please realize you can vote for whoever you want. Hillary and Trump are not your only choices. Wake up. Support someone like Jill Stein or someone you can be proud to vote for. Better than Trump... sheesh. Is that suppose to be impressive or important to me? It isn't.
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  305. Kara regarding, "Keith Ellison got pushed out of dnc chair, no matter how much power the JD thought they had." I don't think they are pretending or claiming to have the upper hand. I think they are fighting for it thou and I support them. Regarding, "Kimberly Ellis" The reason you have stories about a person like Ellis is because there are still good people fighting in the party who deserve our support. That doesn't mean we aren't fighting against the establishment, we are. That doesn't mean we think the game is fair, we know it isn't. But we think it is still a fight worth having. Regarding, "tom perez goes and cleans out progressive opposition" Yup. It is fucked up. It is wrong. But the bottom line is that he has to do shit like that because, again, there are still good people working in the party who deserve your support. They are fighting for you. The least you can do is not turn your back on them. Regarding, "have the word democrat or republican next to your name is nothing more than a disgusting corporatist badge of dishonor" Then you really shouldn't give a shit about Ellis or what Perez did because it was only affecting disgusting people. You care way too much about a party labe when you should care first and foremost about the person. For example I love Bernie Sanders and support him. I'd do so if he called himself a democrat, republican, green, independent, or martian. The party label is not nearly as important as the person. Try to realize that.
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  306.  @janetfromanotherplanet1301  Regarding, "he sounded decent for a man running for president during his campaign" Did he thou? "We have to take out their families." He ran on committing war crimes.
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  307.  @janetfromanotherplanet1301  Regarding, "for a man running for president" Um... what? Am I misunderstanding you or are you really trying to rationalize a presidential candidate campaigning on war crimes? Are you really trying to say it's no big deal because he was running for president? That can't really be your point can it? I must be misunderstanding you. If not what world do you live on? How can you really call that "decent?" How wasn't that a red flag for you? Because it should have been and there was nothing decent about him and his campaign. Good for you if you see the light now. But wake the fuck up and analyze the past or you are going to continue to make the same moronic mistakes going forward. Long story short don't support candidates who want to commit war crimes. Because duh. Lucky for you most don't campaign on it. They might do it but most are at least smart enough to understand that isn't the type of shit you campaign on. And if you do don't call their campaigns decent and/or act like you had no reason to see what a piece of shit he was after they do it. Accept some fucking responsibility at least for being a dumbass for supporting someone you had every reason to know was a piece of shit.
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  308.  @nitrologly  "generally no "winning" when you're dealing with multiple nuclear powers." Luckily this hasn't ever actually happened (in a direct hot war) and let's hope it never does.
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  309. @Ashli Babbit was murderedbythestate Regarding, "the left won’t fight that." Correct. They are masks. Stop being a pussy. It won't kill you to wear one in public until a vaccine is distributed.
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  310.  @justinbailey6515  "my bank account" He wasn't talking about that nor does he care about it.
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  311. Diamond regarding, "words mean so much more than actions" LMFAO... again you are acting as if he voted yes. That would have been an important action. Regarding, "progressive hiveminds" You strike me as the type that is looking to smear Sanders no matter how unjustified it is.
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  312. Wilson regarding, "We can call it when he fucks up" You really think this is one of those times? Again you are acting as if he voted yes. Him voting no is really that fucking important to you? Are you fucking kidding? Do you not realize how fucking unimportant that is? Him voting no is akin to me going to McDonalds to tell them I don't want a BigMac.... it is fucking meaningless. It is only important I go to McDonalds when I actually want to eat there (which is never, but that is unimportant... like voting no is unimportant).
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  313. The first thing yang wanted to do to pay for UBI is by dismantling the social safety net. That's regressive as hell when it should be paid for by the super rich.
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  314.  @alphach1mp  "You be wrong." Wow. Saying all you need to know about yang is that he got an endorsement is as shallow as saying all you need to know about yang is the color of his skin. Stop being an idiot. MLK would be appalled by this type of stupidity.
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  315.  1800s kindaguy  7 replies but I can only see 5
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  316. It really shouldn't take it happening to you to understand. Still better late than never I guess.
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  317. Please tell me that is a joke. Whatever. Either way it is actually funny just for different reasons.
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  318. Who fucking cares? I do and so should you. You are either dumb as fuck or a paid troll.
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  319. Niding I very much agree with that. I consider taking over the party plan A and I want strong alternatives as a plan B. Even if we are able to takeover the "democratic" party I want strong 3rd parties to keep the major parties "honest," and pull them to the left. Getting progressives in office is the priority and I will do so regardless of their party label.
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  320. Niding regarding, "I do share Jimmys worry about Bernie sheep herding people into Democratic party." I don't. I think that nobody has done more to expose the rot in the party than Sanders. Sanders is why so many people have left the party. But he needs to keep them just close enough so that he can run as a democrat in 2020 to be able to takeover the party. Regarding, "the real progressives in Democratic party" Sadly the real progressives are almost non existent. That said I think justice democrats have a pretty good plan to try and start changing that. Regarding, "the overwhelming corruption in the democratic party" Sadly as far as I can tell they are going to continue to be corrupt AF until a progressive can take over the party. Regarding, "we are trying to eject them" Agreed. I'm not trying to "save" the party or live side by side with corporate dems. I'm looking to take shit over and kick their asses out. They can go join the Republican party for all I care since it is where they belong.
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  321.  @levanmikadze4748  Why not a dem? Because he doesn't support the democratic party. That's what being a dem means.
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  322.  @warfossil  "Under Trump, the United States has dropped about 20,650 bombs through July 31, or 80 percent the number dropped under Obama for the entirety of 2016." More than obama. Is that enough?
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  323. op regarding, "I want Bernie to care that Americans' ability to vote was impaired" Even thou we were all fucked over nobody was fucked over more than him. I think the notion that he doesn't care to be absurd. Regarding, "I want him to speak out about it." I understand the point but trying to put this in context. After getting fucked over he had an impossible choice to make. Get behind the person and party that fucked him over and support them because he thought they were better than Trump or spend all the remaining political capital he had to do what you want and sacrifice literally everything else for it. I think he made the right call. And specifically in hindsight it is really nice that intelligent people are forced to blame Hillary for his lose instead of letting Sanders be effectively scapegoated for her loss. Regarding, "I want him to care more about that than about protecting his chance of being president." I don't think he cares about being president as much as he cares about helping the country. And, go figure, being president is a way of being able to do that like no other. Regarding, "Bernie could do more for America and our government by starting or endorsing a third party than he could EVER do as a President." Some of us don't care about stupid fucking party labels. I'm pretty sure we all want at least one major party that doesn't suck but I personally don't care what their name is. You do. You want to make sure the "democratic" party pays for betraying you. You are right to be mad at them. But you are wrong to cut off your nose to spite your face.
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  324. mark regarding, "Bernie did not give his campaign 100%" They guy who entered the race down 50 points, who faced media blackout, who was attacked and smear by the entire establishment and only "lost" because he was fucked over didn't give 100 percent? I think that is insane. Regarding, "Look at Trump" I think you have lost your way when you want to look at Trump for how to do anything unless that thing you want to do is suck or be orange.
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  325. Carlos regarding, "perhaps he's just a establishment's tool" I guess that is why the establishment works to smear him 24/7. I can't say for sure if you work for the establishment but I can say for sure that you are a tool.
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  326. Regarding, "Chris Matthews is losing his mind..." You can't lose something you never had.
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  327. The VA is far more popular than the private for profit health care industry despite being far from perfect but don't let that fact get in the way of your stupid talking point. http://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx
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  328.  @Sixstringman  Sad but true. Warmongers are going to warmonger.
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  329.  @Definitelynotjewish  "Im surprised she didnt claim to know him personally" Too bad they didn't. She might have ended up with all the other bodies found buried on his property.
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  330.  @consciousobserver629  Great comment. That's why it's being shadowbanned in the "land of the free."
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  331.  @luv2fly745  We can't forget the trillions they just lose and nobody seems to care. Sht happens am I right?
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  332. Dems are proposing a 1.9 trillion dollar bill with 1400 checks. If all 1.9 trillion went in the form of checks we could all get 6K each. But they won't even give the 2K they promised.
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  333. It's not called a "self defense rifle." They are called "assault" rifles.
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  334. Justin regarding, "Not good enough! As Bernie Sanders would have said at some point in the past...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" Stomping your feet and being pissed at what is isn't the same as offering viable solutions.
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  335. Yup. Immigrants are just being scapegoated for being a major problem with the country so that the people who are not very smart blame them for the problems of the country rather than the real causes.
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  336. JMV I'm not going to try and engage you in an intelligent conversation. I don't see the point. My dog is more likely to say something smart. Take care.
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  337. As much as the "democratic" party should die I just don't see it happening anytime soon. I think our best hope is that we elect a progressive like Sanders as a dem so that he can reform the party from the inside.
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  338. TheZodiacz regarding, "great display of state approved divisiveness there Clint. You should be paid as a social media agent." Sorry if the truth hurts. Would it have been better had I added that all corporate media, Hillary Clinton, and both major parties are all garbage? Would that not have offended your delicate sensibilities?
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  339. No. It really isn't difficult to recognize bullshit. It was a fucking vote. It isn't hard to learn the truth about it if you actually care about the truth. And if I get pissed it is because there is a concerted effort to mislead people about facts in our society and I have no tolerance for it. We get to have our own opinions. We don't get to have our own facts.
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  340. Regarding, "He still supported Hillary." When entering the "democratic" primary he agreed to endorse the winner of the primary. He fulfilled his promise in a straight up no win situation. He endorsed her and still team Hillary tries to blame him for her losing. The only reason those attacks are ineffective is because he bit the bullet and endorsed her. Had he not done so he would have been effectively blamed from Trump winning. Not only would I not want to be blamed for president Trump but it would have crushed his ability to push policy going forward. The movement he started would have suffered a devastating blow. But if you really want to piss and moan about a fucking endorsement you go ahead. I fucking love Sanders but I voted for Jill Stein because only sheep vote based on someone else's endorsement.
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  341.  @soulofhawk1742  If they aren't going to answer a real question does it really matter? As jimmy points out it really says something about AOC and the squad that they won't answer questions. That's about all we can hope for... exposing frauds like this.
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  342. Thanks for that. I was worried some have just been corrupt or bad people.
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  343.  @randomdude2832  You have advanced my sarcastic font research considerably. Thank you.
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  344. Regarding, "he seems super cool" Spoiler alert. He's not. Even if he was right on this.
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  345. I'm with her. Jill Stein that is! A woman who would actually make a good President.
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  346. Regarding, "is there any leaders from those countries listed that you might not trust with a nuclear weapon?" All of them.
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  347. Number one Nader is not responsible for Gore losing. Stop believing all the BS you hear. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth Number two you are an idiot to suggest that progressives don't care about harming others. Number three there are so many other issues that make Hillary completely unacceptable other than just fracking. Number four I can make an excellent case as to why Hillary is in fact worse than Trump. I am not going to because number one I don't like defending Trump and number two I don't really care who is worse... both are completely unacceptable and neither is worthy of votes. Number five the only vote that is a wasted vote is a vote for a candidate that does not represent you, your policy positions, your priorities, and your ethics. Number six why did you stop counting at three when you tried to make more than 3 points? Is that only as high as you could count? Number seven despite your BS claim I do not only have two possible choices for president. Number eight I will not be responsible if Trump wins. If Trump wins it will be because of 1 Trump voters, 2 Hillary for sucking so bad she couldn't beat Trump, 3 the DNC for rigging the primary. Number nine nevermind, I've already wasted enough time on you already. You are lost cause who is completely brainwashed. Good luck with Hillary. If you are lucky she and DWS can rig the general for you like they rigged the primary.
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  348. I thought the "democratic" party's losing to Trump would have done more to help them wake the fuck up and do more to bring about much needed change in the party. I might have underestimated their ability to make excuses for their mistakes.
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  349. Except he didn't. We get to have our own opinions. We don't get to have our own facts.
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  350. Lori regarding, "I'm shocked more Americans aren't trying to hold the DNC accountable for that." Think Americans were. That is how a complete POS like Trump was allowed to win the general. Regarding, "Instead of blaming him for HRC's loss." I think you are talking more about corporate media talking heads than the public.
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  351. Regarding, "the way the cop is acting that he did not want to shoot the guy." The fact that he shot him multiple times seems to suggest otherwise.
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  352. Britney regarding, "Gore asked for a recount inmediately." And still he didn't exactly get it. The election is not ancient history but you are talking about it as if it is. There is a process that needs to be gone through to request recounts. There are rules in place. They are being followed. I'm not sure what your problem is. I can't seem to reply so let's hope I can edit. Britney regarding, "It doesn't take 3 weeks to ask for a recount..." They literally are just getting done counting all the votes in some places. Michigan only certified their results a few days ago. The popular vote margin of difference was changing for a reason. Some of the rules requiring a recount say the person requesting it needs to be able to pay for the recount to be done. That means raising millions of dollars. They are essentially doing it as soon as possible. Again, there are rules and they are being followed. That should be enough for you and I fail to understand why it isn't. I just saw an article saying Hillary's lead in the popular vote has reached 2.3 million because they are only getting done counting votes the first time. You are being silly to think that people should have figured out the morning after that recounts were necessary.
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  353. What does that say about you if you think that AND you are here?
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  354. Ell regarding, "Hillary needs to step down." Don't hold your breathe. I believe the chances of Mexico paying for Trump's wall has better chance of happening than this.
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  355. Fusion regarding, "You, like Jimmy, have a complete irrational hatred of Clinton." Rationale I have for hating Clinton... She voted for the Iraq war. As a result approximately a million people have lost their lives. She supported mass incarceration ("superpredetor" problem). As a result America imprisons more of it's people by percentage of population than countries you consider to not be free. She worked to gut welfare. As a result children would go to bed starving because of her. I can go on. Would you like me to? There are lots more facts you seem to not know. I assure you the only one being irrational is you.
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  356. Or Trump.
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  357. The constitution says otherwise.
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  358. Fuck the military industrialized complex and the DNC that supports them. Join the Green party and vote for real change.
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  359. YuRM regarding, "just because u keep saying so, doesn't make it true." Again, sweet irony. Put up your bullshit "evidence." I could use a good laugh.
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  360. DWS is as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside and that is really saying something.
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  361. "Double fisted jerk off." I'm going to have to start using that.
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  362. Bob regarding, "I think you and the rest of the keyboard clown jockeys in here" Hypocrite much? Regarding, "Is that crickets I hear?" No. Don't be afraid to give an opportunity to respond before jumping to your preconceived notions. The first step in solving any problem is admitting there is a problem. Social media is one way of talking about and addressing problems. No problem is ever solved without awareness. Regarding, "keyboard jockey" What are you exactly? Other than a hypocrite? Regarding, "clown," and "bag of hot air," Again I find this funny coming from you. Thank you for the laugh. They are needed in sad times. Regarding, "conspiracy theories" I was called a conspiracy theorist for saying the DNC was rigging the game. Wikileaks proved me right because some conspiracy theories are true. What you are doing is being disparaging to suggest that the idea of a conspiracy theory is to be dismissed off hand. That is at least as dumb and inaccurate as thinking all conspiracy theories are true. Regarding, "Breitbart" Just insults with nothing of substance to back it up. I think Breitbart sucks. You know what I don't do? Go there and talk shit. If you believe the BS you are saying what does that say about you that you are here?
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  363. Regarding, "you kept calling Hillary corrupt" Um. She is corrupt. I'm sorry if the truth was inconvenient to you.
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  364. Bob regarding, "The reality is that one of those two IS going to win." Because of morons and sheep like you supporting complete pieces of shit. No because of me. Regarding, "I know what my priority is." Certainly not supporting an ethical candidate or someone who actually deserves your vote. We can agree to disagree.
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  365. Bob Regarding, "you can feel good about voting for an ethical candidate" I do. I wonder how you can sleep at night knowing you are supporting a corrupt POS. Regarding, "US Supreme Court full of right wing judges who'll ensure that money talks." If the SC is as important to the "democratic" party as you claim then democrats should block Scalia type justices the way republicans are doing this very second. The democrats can demand centrists like Garland and block everyone else. The candidate you support has floated the idea of putting a Texas Republican on the court. Nevermind all that though. Just give your BS talking points and supporting dogshit.
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  366. Erik regarding, "You have just as much chance of being a paid troll as I do." No. I don't. Jill Stein doesn't have a superpac spreading lies. Regarding, "As far as I know, you're a paid Trump plant who is pushing for Stein to keep people from voting against Hillary." Trump shills don't talk shit about Trump like I do. Pull you head out of Hillary's ass. Regarding, "In the end, look at what I've said." I have unfortunately. I think I'm dumber because of it. Regarding, "Good luck with that." Thanks. Go fuck off and let me be irrelevant then.
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  367. What Trump said was not true.
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  368. The source matters and they are proven frauds.
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  369. There is also the media blackout of Jill Stein coverage... other than the occasional smear job.
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  370. Ward regarding, "Hillary" Hillary only fooled the blindest of the blind. Or some supported her because they feared Trump. The people are learning otherwise she would have won. The politicians and elites of the "democratic" party, not so much.
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  371. Ozy regarding, "Obama has been a crook his entire political career," Obama was one of the few to vote against the moronic war in Iraq. He spoke out against torturing people. He talked about closing Gitmo. He stressed the need to talk to our enemies and not just bomb them. I admit being duped but if you can't understand why he was able to fool some people you are an idiot or just being a dick gloating while saying I told you so.
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  372. Jesus regarding, "better than Hill3ary." No. They are essentially the same. Birds of a feather flock together. Hillary went to Trump's wedding. Trump called Bill Clinton for a little chat immediately before announcing he was running. Had Trump not ran Hillary would have considered him for her VP. They are not different in any sort of meaningful way even if there are differences. Regarding, "I don't watch CNN and think their lies and manipulations is news or journalism." I too think CNN sucks balls but you might want to note that CNN and MSM that you rightfully hate gave Trump BILLIONS in free media. Regarding, "nonsensensical fear mongering" Remember when ISIS said, "we have to take out their families" wait, that wasn't ISIS. That only sounds exactly like something ISIS would say. That was actually Donald Trump calling for the US to be committing war crimes. And that wasn't the only time. There are legit reasons to fear Trump (as there were for fearing Hillary). It isn't all just fear mongering. Try to be honest about your candidate when he doesn't do anything he said he would. Try to be honest when he gives blowjobs to the corporations and the oligarchy. Try to be honest when he does nothing that helps the common person. I admit I was wrong for voting for Obama. When Trump fucks you over try to be honest about it as well.
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  373. Jesus regarding, "Trump ended the TPP." I'll be happy if this ends up being the case but I'm not cracking the champagne just yet. Regarding, "Made peace with Russia" Huh, I didn't know we were at war with Russia. And he accomplished this before even taking office. Trump is pretty amazing or you are insane. Regarding, "is scaring Ford and Apple to keeping jobs in the USA" I'd ask you to elaborate on this if I were actually interested in what you had to say. Regarding, "has China and SaudiArabia calling him out of respect" Because leaders calling the winners of elections is not normal I guess. Regarding, "Japanese Prime minister saying he is happy and gas full confidence in President Trump after 90 minute meeting" I expected him to break down crying and claim the apocalypse was about to begin (that is sarcasm in case you can't tell). Regarding, "has Canada and Mexico begging that they are willing to renogotiate Nafta," Ok. This I am actually curious to know what you are talking about. It smells like BS. Regarding, "StockMarket" Of course wall street is thrilled. They know he is going to deregulate them and let them run wild as they fuck over the public. Regarding, "He us already a better president than Obama, and he has not even taken iffice." LOL. Yes, the guy who isn't president is already a great president. If logic were a person they would kick your ass. Regarding, "CNN" I don't watch CNN and try to avoid thinking about them as much as possible. That said I'm betting Corey Lewdowski is sucking your clowns dick. Regarding, "They know Trump has potential to Make America Great Again." Do you have any idea how empty that sounds to the sane. Regarding, "Even if he has to bring brainwashed peeps" This is funny coming from someone who is clearly brainwashed. Regarding, "But ibwill be first to call him out in 2 years uf he has failed some." Consider me a skeptic of this statement. Regarding, "Do u even doubtbthat?" Yes. I think you are being absurd. Regarding, "A reasonable person would give him a chance at least for a year with an open mind." I have no choice but to give him a chance. But considering his words, his actions, his lack of character, and everything about him only a fool thinks he is going to be a good president. Regarding, "he is as bad a Prez as BushJr was" Yes. You are utterly ridiculous. I'm not a fan of Obama but W... president during 9-11, the stock market, skyrocketing deficit, katrina, didn't get bin laden, the patriot act, torture, gitmo, lied us into the Iraq war, bailouts and more. You, as usual, are being absurd even if Obama has sucked as well.
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  374. Valken regarding, "Bernie, same thing" Don't be absurd. The idea that Bernie is the same thing is beyond stupid.
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  375. Kara regarding, "the dumocratic party has become the party of" Do you think I'm defending the party? I'm not. It is a dumpster fire. Regarding, "LEAVE that label" Still you demonstrate that you care waaaaaaayy too much about that label. Regarding, "build something better that they can be proud of" If that is what you want to do go right ahead. I encourage it. I want strong 3rd parties even if the "democratic" party is overtaken and reformed. But some people are still working to reform the party and change the party I'm ok with that and will support them if I think they are good people supporting the things I want done. Regarding, "many Germans who at first thought the nazi party was a good idea GOT OUT OF IT," Sigh. Wouldn't it have been nice had the nazi party been reformed? Regarding, "LEAVE THE DISGUSTING DUMOCRATIC PARTY BEHIND" You do what you think is right but I think you are fucking fool if you are going to not support good people just because they dare to call themselves a dem. You certainly have the party first attitude in common with dems and republican sheep.
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  376.  @MoCa5545  Regarding, "tyrannical orders like being forced to wear a mask" LMFAO. There is real tyranny in society like the fact that the US imprisons more of it's citizens than any country on earth. But you care about masks?
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  377.  @MegaZdizzle  Wait do people actually watch that show for him? I was only there for krystal anyway and because of how she ghosted jimmy to have cenks nephew on I'm about to unsubscribe from breaking points this second.
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  378. Regarding, "Can we get some regular people to run our nation" No you can not. Sincerely, the establishment and oligarchy.
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  379. Steve please stop playing the establishment game of who is better the douche or turd sandwhich. My point was not to compare the two. Even if you think one is better than the other that doesn't change the fact that the other is fucking terrible and the game is only played by people trying to rationalize supporting terrible. That game was tired and stupid when they were actually running against each other and that was quite a while ago already. The point I was trying to make was that saying "better than Hillary" does nothing to dissuade from the facts that Trump is a complete piece of shit, terrible fucking president, and disgrace to the human race, just like guy he elevated to FCC chair Shit Pai (minus the being president part).
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  380. beh regarding, "Honestly I think an abstain is basically a vote to confirm..." Huh? Why would this make it more likely they be confirmed? The only thing that is relevant in determining whether or not someone is confirmed is the number of yes votes they get. The number of no votes is not relevant what-so-ever.
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  381.  @schloops8473  Regarding, "that's a lie" Nope. You are lying. Right here on youtube, "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" When asked how are you going to pay for UBI the first thing yang says is that he would gut the current social safety net to pay for it.
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  382.  @schloops8473  "that's a lie. A complete fabrication." This is what you are doing. Sorry not sorry if the truth hurts.
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  383. "two medical centers" Do even doctors need 2 jobs these days?
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  384.  @glenglen6386  I hope you are at least being paid for your disgraceful posts. Good luck with your continued efforts to excuse putting civilians in the line of fire.
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  385.  @Bike_Lion  "That's because..." I'm well aware of why it happens but it's still important to call it out.
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  386. I'm smart and I wanna help with the prep. - fredo cuomo had me rollin
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  387.  @deirre  Regarding, "You mean worthless nuclear deal" Worthless? Really? In reality they weren't producing nuclear weapons and the deal was working. This is literally the best thing about Obamas failure as president. And now the world knows it's the US who doesn't honor it's deals. Now... after the deal... there is nothing stopping them from enriching uranium. Wow. Just. Wow. So dumb.
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  388. Nobody else wants to admit it huh? I understand.
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  389. redd regarding, "Berners have been purged." Yup. It was fucked up but I think you are overestimating the effect it will have on the primary. It also demonstrates that corporate dems can be purged the exact same way as long as we win the nomination. Regarding, "The rules committee is entirely establishment. They will rig again." Yup. It is fucked up. It is not fair and it is not going to be until we win. Fortunately for us they do not have enough dirty tricks in their playbook to stop Sanders in 2020.
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  390. danny regarding, "I am certain there is NO WAY to win within that corrupt, corporatist war party." I am not as certain. Sanders, a true progressive, barely "lost" in 2016 after entering the race down 60 points. In 2020 he will enter with the name recognition of a rock star and as rightfully the most popular politician in the country. Even the corrupt party will not be able to stop him. Regarding, "I originally registered with them in order to vote in their closed primaries," Good. Thank you. You should be voting in their primaries. It is fucked up you need to register with them. It is undemocratic. It is wrong. But it is necessary and important. And if you decide you don't want to vote for them in the general then you don't have to. But you should be using the opportunity you have to shape their party. The close primaries because they know how important it is and don't want you to vote in it. Fuck them. What better reason do you need to make sure you do other than the fact that the establishment doesn't want you to? Regarding, "the party has shifted more and more to "the right" and become ever more beholden to big money." Yup but the war isn't over. Thanks, in large part to Sanders, more of the country is woke to the rot in the party than ever. Regarding, "Since they conned me" They have successfully conned lots of people. Obama was suppose to be hope and change but he was same old same old. Regarding, "they will coopt/adopt some of our polices" They are never going to change unless they are forced to change. And the only way they are going to be forced to change is by electing a progressive as head of the party. Regarding, "But as long as we play in their sandbox, all we'll get is sand in our eyes." The sad fact of the matter is that if you want to elect a progressive president anytime soon the only way that is going to happen is by going through the "democratic" party. Sanders give us the best chance of that happening in 2020 for the first time in essentially forever. Don't take the opportunity to try and help him or another progressive because you are rightfully pissed at the party. You don't vote for a party. You vote for a person.
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  391.  @tynao2029  "Jimmy is a right winger" He believes in giving peace a chance, universal health care, money out of politics, providing education and more. I guess that means I'm a right winger too according to your nonsense.
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  392.  @MikeYurbasovich  "How many bombs?" I don't know off hand. But I can add that his administration also stopped publishing drone war casualties of civilians.
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  393.  @warfossil  "You've provided nothing." Just mindlessly call it fake news for all I care. You are impossible to take seriously.
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  394.  @sonjakozman1699  5 replies but I can only see 4. Just once you'd think you would be able read all of them in the "land of the free."
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  395. Youtube says there are 10 replies and I can actually see all of them. That is UNBELIEVABLY rare when that should be the norm in an actual land of the free.
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  396.  @brandonburns5365  "I know i spelled it wrong" It's a good idea. I'll start doing the same. I've noticed they don't like it being used.
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  397. Jama regarding, "they will just screw them over 10x harder." What? Do you think they have a bunch of secret weapons they have that they are going to use? They don't. They have the same playbook as last time. Fortunately Sanders has name recognition and popularity he didn't have in 2016. In 2020 he is the inevitable one... not the corporate shill.
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  398. Nancy regarding, "give up." He gave up the same way the Patriots gave up in the super bowl. They fucking lost. But the establishment appreciates you dipshits smearing the person who is more of a threat to them than anyone on Earth.
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  399. dob regarding, "Bernie is spreading Russiagate lies." What lie exactly are you referring to? That Russia fucked with the election? THEY ABSOLUTELY DID FUCK WITH THE ELECTION. I didn't even need hard evidence to think this. I just assume they fuck with us the same way I assume we fuck with everyone else in the world based on an understand of the world.
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  400. He shits on Trump all the time. Stupid people are going to say stupid things... your comment proves this.
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  401. Do you argue that the government is infringing on your rights because they won't let you have a tank?
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  402. Jason regarding, "Agreed but now what stick around I figure they have all the super delegates they need so why run under an empty banner?" I am honestly not sure what you are trying to say but when it comes to superdelegates let's not misunderstand their purpose shall we? They are not there to overthrow the will of the people. They are there to shape the election. They are there so that the corporate media can put up all delegate numbers alongside one another to try and sell their establishment candidate. I fucking hate the "democratic" party. I would be happy if they just died and went away so that something better could take their place. But that isn't going to be happening anytime soon. That said if they used superdelegates to get a candidate that didn't get the most pledged delegates, like they will never do because they are not stupid, then that party very well might collapse. That would be a win in and of itself even if it wouldn't be as good as Sanders as president.
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  403. David regarding, "he’s now rocking everyone back to sleep by singing the same old “Democratic” lullaby." Meanwhile, in reality, he has been championing medicare for all and winning the war of ideas. That is hardly the same old "democratic lullaby." Regarding, "we need someone like Bernie to lead something new" Here's the plan in case you haven't heard. Hostile takeover of the "democratic" party. One of the reasons why the party is a dumpster fire and will continue to be until at least 2020 is because Hillary "won" the primary. That is why we have perez who picked all the people under him and so on. That is why progressives were purged. But corporate dems can be purged exactly the same way. The nominee of the party is able to pretty much unilaterally shape and reform the party. They get to decide what it means to be a democrat going forward. They can enact reforms such as banning corporate pac money. Then all of a sudden we might start getting a party that cares about the people rather then their big money donors. That is new and that is the plan. But to do it we need to win. The game isn't fair but we have a not so secret weapon in Sanders. But he needs our help. Regarding, "I wish he’d stop marketing for them." If he is selling them then he is doing a terrible no good job. There is reason demexit was a thing. There is a reason people are leaving the party in droves. And he is a big big part of that reason.
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  404. Nate regarding, "all that talk he does is great," Um... yeah... it is. He can't do everything by himself. And getting shit done starts with winning the war of ideas. Regarding, "but when push came to shove Bernie backed down from the DNC." It is worth noting that when entering the primary he agreed to support the nominee. It is worth noting that Sanders pretty much always does what he says he will. It is worth noting that he talked over, and over, and over, and over about how much he didn't think Trump should be president and that he would do everything in his power to try and stop him. Let's not pretend those aren't the facts. Regarding, "They cheated him by rigging the primary against him." Yup. Regarding, "That was his chance to be a real revolutionary by exposing the corruption on both sides." It was already exposed for fucks sake. Do you really think the people that still want to claim the primary was fair were all of a sudden going to wake the fuck up if Sanders cried about getting fucked over? The bottom line is that Americans fucking hate whiners, even if their whining is justified. Even Hillary supporters had an impossible time defending their fallen queen on her blame everybody other than herself book tour. I don't need Sanders to tell me he got fucked over and neither should you or anyone. Regarding, "That would have allowed him to really start a third party." All of this obsession over starting a new party even thou we live in a world where the game is completely rigged against 3rd parties. The bottom line is that you gotta pick your poison and the best way to go is to try and takeover the corrupt "democratic" party. That would kill 2 birds with one stone. Even if you successfully created a new party you would still have 2 corrupt major parties to deal with. Regarding, "Instead he has gone along with the Russia ruse" Ruse? Do you really want to claim they didn't fuck with us at all? Because they did even if the corporate media wildly overblows their influence. Ultimately Sanders is wise to admit they fucked with us because... ya know... they did. Regarding, "and loss of Hillary" The corporate media wildly overblows their influence because it creates an excuse for hillary's loss. And that is important because they need to justify the status quo. It wasn't hillary's fault it was russias. That is bullshit. But ultimately russia did fuck with us so let's not pretend they didn't. And it isn't surprising. The USA fucks with everyone and I don't need a smoking gun to know it. Regarding, "Now the DNC made sure he will never get the nomination." Did they? How so? Because there is this still a thing called the "democratic" primary. It isn't fair but it does give the peasants an opportunity to have their say. And if they are willing to fight him doesn't that tell you he isn't their shill? You can't have it both ways. He can't have sold out and them be fighting him and it make sense. Regarding, "But will he actually run as a 3rd party?" You know something that would have forever damaged a 3rd party movement? Sanders running as a 3rd party candidate and Trump winning. The only reason Sanders isn't effectively blamed for Trump is because he did what he did. Now yes they do try to blame him. But the sane are easily able to see through this and it only makes them look worse. Regarding, "He’s been bought and paid for." I guess that is why they are working overtime to do anything and everything to stop him. I guess that is why they will again do everything they can to fuck him over in 2020. Regarding, "If he was smart he would have called for an investigation into the DNC, completely rejected the Russia narrative" Worst advice ever. There is a reason he is the most popular politician in the country, winning the war of ideas, and in a position to bring change going forward... because he didn't think this was a "smart." Regarding, "vote 3rd party." Here is the reality... Jill Stein got 1 percent of the vote against 2 of, not only the most despised politicians, but most despised HUMANS in the country. Think about that for a minute before you conclude 3rd parties are the answer in this country currently.
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  405. Steven regarding, "California it’s a progressive shit hole." People who have been to California disagree. And if it is a "shit hole" then what does that say about states like Alabama and Tennessee?
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  406. mikey regarding, "Sounds like your argument essentially boils down to..." Well it absolutely is not. Regarding, "Lastly, who here has "smeared" Bernie exactly?" Really? Do I really need to go through the comments and pick out some gems for you? Regarding, "Jimmy" I wasn't talking about Jimmy. I was talking about people in the comments section. I thought that was pretty clear, like my point. I guess it isn't to some.
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  407. Daily Dope regarding, "2020 will be a repeat of Hillary V. Bernie 2016, only, this time, Bernie will be playing the role of the Corporate Warmonger." I am so tired of feeling like I'm living in the movie Idiocracy because of shit like this. The fact that you not only think this was smart but felt so strongly about it to write it is really something else.
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  408. Chaud regarding, "Screw you Clint Holmes. Bernie is a traitor. Get over it. Time to move on. He won't win as a Democrat. Nor would I vote for him as a Democrat. Go Away Bernie." This is what you say when you have nothing of substance to offer.
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  409. Thank you for this. So many people going out of their way to trash her personally. Her heart is in the right place even if she is way, way, way wrong.
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  410. tech regarding, "Lost about what?" Whatever point you were previously trying to make. Regarding, "What people immediately think of as "hot" or attractive whether it's for men or women is mostly consumer bullshit." Kinda but I don't actually agree with this. Although culture influences us, what we perceive of as hot is something we are born with in my opinion much like our sexual preference is something we are born with. Regarding, "Women aren't admired for their innate talents and intelligence" Sure they are although maybe not to the degree they should be. For example I absolutely find intelligent women more attractive and less intelligent women less attractive. Regarding, "men are mostly judged by the size of their bank accounts." Again although what you are saying is kindof true it is hardly everything. I'm pretty sure Brad Pitt could get laid all he wanted if he were dirt poor. Regarding, "It's cultural garbage like this that leads to destructive behavior by both genders." Humans are innately flawed. Nothing in life is perfect. People are responsible for their actions even if their environment plays a role. Regarding, "Culture influences women look at men as their sugar daddies, so they become permanent infantile children and culture influences men to look at women as something that has no other value than some dolled up sex toy." Still I am unclear as to what the point you are trying to get at is. Does culture influence people? Sure. Do I think people should be able to use culture to excuse behavior? Absolutely not. Is that what you are trying to do?
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  411. myname regarding, "your such a soy boy" I have no idea what that means and being the simpleton I am I'm ok not knowing.
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  412. BULLSHIT!. They also want war, less regulations, corporate welfare, money in politics...
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  413. If you identify with either major party then you are part of a cult.
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  414. It should be. Sadly it is quite predictable.
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  415.  M G  Regarding, "Ok then tell me what Trump did to become a racist and I’ll believe it?" Good one. As if you are going to be swayed by anything I have to say. You are clearly a trump cultist. But why is trump a racist? Take his racist wall policy. Why does Trump only care about a wall on the southern border? Why does the guy who loves walls not think we need a wall on that wide open norther border? Because he is a racist. He only cares about building a wall between us and the country that isn't predominately white. Regarding, "BET YOU NEVER REPLY BACK TO ME!" What did I win? Regarding, "Your the racist Clint!" Based on what? You being stupid doesn't make me a racist. Regarding, "I love it when a white man tells me who is racist because most of the time they’re are the real racist." I love it when people, without cause, interject my race (or at least what they think my race to be) into the conversation as if it's important in the exact same breathe where they call me racist. And by love it I mean you are destroying my faith in humanity and can't really think less of you for reasons that have nothing to do with whatever your skin color may be.
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  416. You are forgetting an orange clown.
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  417. This nerd is for Sanders!
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  418.  @sniperjared  "your opinions are facts and my facts are opinions got it" It doesn't matter what either of our opinions is... it's fact that the crime bill only exaserbated the racial disparity of people being persecuted by the US "justice" system. "got it." You clearly do not. I hope it's because you are bought, for your sake.
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  419. You know Americans support social security right? Spoiler alert that is socialism you fucking moron. Even a dipshit like you should be able to figure that out considering the name.
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  420. Holy shit are you fucking stupid. Your original comment states, "Most Americans do not accept socialism." I then demonstrate how they do in fact not only accept socialism but love it because they love the socialist program social security. You can't just be a man and admit that what you said was fucking stupid so instead you move the goalpost to something completely fucking different, ie a 100 percent "socialist government" that nobody, Sanders included advocates for. People like you destroy my faith in humanity.
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  421. Diana regarding, "that candidate won't be Democrat" I can confidently say that the best candidate in the "democratic" primary is going to be a democrat. Vote for them in the primary and if you want to vote for someone else during the general then absolutely. Go right ahead. I will be encouraging you to do so then if Harris or Booker are the democratic nominee.
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  422. op kingdom regarding, "Care more about party lables?" What I was saying was that some people care about party labels more than they care about politicians. I for one love Bernie Sanders. I'd vote for him if he called himself a democrat, green, independent, republican, martian or other. I think that people who say they will only support a candidate if they put their preferred party label after their name are demonstrating they care more about a party label than they care about the candidate. Which is fucking stupid to me. Regarding, "you just told us to vote Dems no matter what because we can't let the Repubs win" No. I definitely did not say such a thing. Regarding, ""No they cheat us" and you say we're "letting them win"" Um. Nope. They are cheating us but I'm going to make them cheat to win. I'm not going to not vote. Not voting is just letting them win. Regarding, "are you with correct the record" Um. Nope. I think you are misunderstanding what I've said. Let me try to be clear again.... vote for whoever you want during the general. But vote during the "democratic" primary to try and get the most progressive candidate they have at the moment. I assure you it makes lots of sense.
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  423. ameigh there are very legit grievances to be had about the voting machines. That said... Regarding, "I realize that my vote won't necessarily be counted." By not voting you go from not necessarily being counted to ABSOLUTELY 100 PERCENT not being counted. At least force them to rig it. What you are doing, like I've already pointed out, is letting them win without a fight. At least fight (aka vote).
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  424. op kingdom regarding, "if Bernie got in as President, he, too would be "opposed at every turn" from Reps & Dems." You have a point but I think you must realize that Bernie gets pushed much harder by dems if he is an 3rd party than if he is a dem. That said you are correct to think they will be reluctant to do anything good on their own but it will be much harder for them to justify if they are in the same party at the time. Regarding, "Progressive President" I promise you I want a progressive president as much as you. But the fact remains that the easist way to get one is to go through the "democratic" party. And if I am wrong it doesn't stop any of us for voting 3rd party afterward. Regarding, "Because EVERYONE would be happier paying less for their better insurance." Have you met the American public? There are lots of idiots out there who vote against their own interests. Regarding, "We need Progressives in Congress" We definitely agree on this. Regarding, "and the Democrats will NOT allow that" Voters do have a say in the matter. Regarding, "The party has now rigged their power structure against Progressives." It has always been rigged... they are just making it worse. But they have to rig the game because there is still a game to be played. Of course it is fucked up that they get to start a touchdown up and it is wrong we have play that way but it is still a fight worth having. Especially when voting in the primary doesn't cost you anything. It isn't like you have to then vote them in the general. Regarding, "They have closed ranks and we KNOW they believe that can just select their candidates in a smoky back room." They do all their shady shit because they KNOW there are still elections to be had. Regarding, "They are not seeking UNITY with Progressives" No they are not and I am not seeking unity with them. I'm looking to take over the party hostile takeover style. And if it doesn't work the green party is plan B. Regarding, "the ONLY power Progressives held" We still have our votes. I like to think they have realized they can't win without them. I'm not sure they have but clearly they are power. Regarding, "Progressives have been purged." How about we purge them? To do that we need to win their primary. And it absolutely is possible. And again, if it isn't there is a plan B. Regarding, "Time to re-strategize because the Dem Party is closed to Progressives now." I'm not as sure. I'm going to make them prove it. I will reevaluate after the primary. Til then I'm still going to try to go through them.
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  425. AJ forgive me for not being your bitch and doing your homework for you. It's not like you are actually interested in the answer anyway since you think polls are fake news or some other retarded ass shit.
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  426. water regarding, "Fuk the DNC" The DNC is a joke but they are not going anywhere. The best plan is to take over the party and change it. Regarding, "If he doesn't run as an independent I won't vote for him." You care way too much about a letter after a person's name and too little about the person.
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  427. Cenk
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  428. Remember he was promoted by Trump. That was his idea of "draining the swamp."
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  429. Regarding, "Obamacare is not good." No. It is not. I do not think that is his position. I believe that his position is that the ACA was an improvement upon what we had, which is it was. And that Trump is going the wrong direction and making things worse, which he is. That said you can also make an accurate case that it was a net loss because it slowed the progress to an actual good system like single payer for all but that is a different discussion. Again, the ACA sucks... but still that isn't a good reason to go the wrong way... like Trump is trying to do.
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  430. Actually it is but let's stop fighting wars all over the world anyway.
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  431.  @oscarosei1985  "nothing to do with Graham and Jimmy's debate" That's literally why he's being criticized. That's why he failed at "show two people with differing opinions can have a good faith debate." Instead of doing that he was taking idiotic pot shots at max.
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  432.  @oscarosei1985  It was a debate. And now that it's done he doesn't get some magic shield to protect himself from the dumb shit he did in it.
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  433.  @oscarosei1985  "Are you dense?" Are you? "He never had any kind of debate with Max." No shit sherlock and no one is claiming he did. What he did do was take pot shots at max during a debate with jimmy where they were suppose to be being all civil and shit. Why are you defending him for this? Really? "Max misrepresented..." Even if I absolutely conceded all of this so what. Jimmy and graham were suppose to be having their debate and it had NOTHING to do with that. "Why are we having this inane back and forth on this?" Great question. Why are you defending grahams actions when they were indefensible here?
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  434. http://www.jimkeady.com/welcome?splash=1
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  435.  @TheGodsrighthandman  I'm the left. That means I'm for giving peace a chance, universal health care, criminal justice reform, protecting the enviornment, providing education, and more. BIden is a warmonger, who would veto M4A if given the chance, who authored the racist crime bill, who would protect fracking, and more. He isn't the left whether you are smart enough to realize it or intellectually honest enough to admit it.
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  436.  @TheGodsrighthandman  Regarding, "He has stated - ON RECORD - that he will bring those policies I mentioned into Law if he becomes POTUS." You are full of it. He has stated that he would veto M4A, that he would protect fracking, that he is not for open borders and more. I can only think you are being paid to willfully spread lies.
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  437. Please do try to build other parties but don't dismiss good people like Sanders just because they run as a democrat.
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  438. Shadow regarding, "Trump was on the right track before the election." When exactly was that? Was it when he was saying things ISIS would say like, "we have to take out their families," or when he was calling Mexicans rapists and murderers (some I assume are good people)?
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  439. Well it is a joke but I don't find it very funny.
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  440.  @TheBigGSN5  I hope you are paid for stupid shit such as that.
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  441.  @etchalaco9971  "public health policy regarding mutations be?" What a strange question. I have no idea how to answer it. It's not like we can get rid of them or something. They are just there and we have to deal with them. Finding vaccines and using them is an option. But mandating them is not unless you have a really good vaccine and case to make. This leaky ass vaccine is not even close to being effective enough to consider warranting a mandate. Not even f'ing close.
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  442. All in regarding, "did they come from China" They come from China but Mexico is paying for it.
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  443. Stash regarding, "I would be interested in how a meeting would cause things to escalate" One or both of them say something stupid and those stupid things are used to justify full scale war. Regarding, "Obama taking a radacle departure from 50 years of failed policies with Cuba was likely a great move." Yes I agree but I think those situations to be completely different. Cuba, even thou it is strategically much more scary than NK is not considered to be nearly the threat NK is specifically because of nuclear weapons. And as much as I can't stand Obama and could talk plenty of shit about him the fact of the matter is that I do not consider him to have been unstable the way I consider Trump to be. Regarding, "MSM position that both DT and Kim are mentally unstable" Look... the corporate media is a fucking joke but I share the opinion that both of those clowns are mentally unstable. They both have insulated themselves with sycophants. Both are used to be the biggest swinging dick in the room and I fear a meeting of those 2 ending badly. I'll happily be wrong if they meet but I think you are overestimating both of those fucks if you think either of them are anything other than crazy. Regarding, "NK is not a direct threat" They DEFINITELY are not. Regarding, "far larger geopolitical and economic strategy." Maybe so but that is not a good enough reason for full scale war with a country. I'm fucking tired of imperialism and the MIC running things. Regarding, "parrot the MSM talking points, failing to develop indenpend thinking." Dude... fuck the MSM. They suck balls. But should anything go wrong with this meeting... and I think there is good reason to think something will, then you know the MSM will be be all over war and pushing for it. If Un says anything that can be used to justify war THEY WILL USE IT. You lose me with the last points you are trying to make. I'll be happy to eat crow if these meeting happens and goes well. It's just that I think the MIC is looking for a new war to justify the new money they are getting. I see us export bombs labeled freedom to NK. And I see this meeting giving them an excuse to do so. Again... I really hope to be wrong. I am so fucking sick of war.
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  444. Do you think doctors wear them into surgery just because?
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  445.  @Nonpeon  You might want to consider the possibility that you are stupid beyond words.
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  446. I'm old as dirt and I don't think I do remember a time when they did respect free speech.
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  447. @Bernard The problem is that there is certainly someone who has said what you have but does so unsarcastically. I've been an advocate of a sarcastic font for a long time.
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  448. Hillary wants to win more than anything in this world. She would sell her soul to win. If you think she doesn't want to win it is only because she is a terrible politician in addition to being corrupt.
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  449. If there actually were good cops then all the bad cops wouldn't be able to get away this crap 100% of the time unless there is video evidence they can't lie away. Even the cops who don't pull the trigger will lie in their police reports to protect their own.
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  450. Regarding, "If she supported Bernie, she would lose power in the senate no?" No. That's not how the senate works. Regarding, "And Bernie lost. so it would have been for nothing." Bernie lost without her support. Sadly we have no way of knowing what difference she would have made at the time. She did have a lot of respect with the left before her silence. Regarding, "In politics, you choose your battles." Is that how you describe having a complete lack of principles? Regarding, "Sometimes you gotta do the smart thing" How was this the smart thing exactly? Nevermind... it's rhetorical. I don't really care what you think.
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  451. enchanted regarding, "all I got from your emotional rant is that everyone other than you is stupid or an idiot." Everyone is not stupid or an idiot... just people who do no seem to understand what freedom of speech means. Soda for example thinks that there is only "supposed free speech" even thou there are no examples of anyone losing their freedom for speech. He apparently thinks that freedom of speech does not extend to the rights of people to use labels and that when people do that somehow diminishes freedom of speech rather than expressing it. Therefor he is an idiot. Regarding, "You sound like a bitch. That's me using my freedom of speech." Why the labels man? Soda and Zach would not approve even thou you are actually being correct about freedom of speech and your right to use it. Regarding, "Continue to rant while I ignore you..." You are an idiot. Just because you say you are ignoring me doesn't make it true. You are actually acknowledging me by replying to me and addressing me directly. It isn't hard to understand unless you are a moron.
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  452. Jill not Hill!
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  453. Vote your values please. For me that means I will be voting for Jill Stein. I suggest you do the same.
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  454. Regarding, "He wants recount in California." Then he should go ahead and file for a recount. I wouldn't mind. I'd be all for it. Why the fuck do you think Jill Stein needs to be doing what Trump wants for him? Is there something stopping him from doing it because of his tiny hands or something? Regarding, "Where is the contradiction?" Your "logic."
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  455. Britney regarding, "I think it's kind of silly to have them this late in the game." It is never too late to find out the truth. Regarding, "they really should've asked for recounts a few days after or the night of the election." It is not that easy. A lot more goes into requesting a recount and considering their need than you suggest. The recounts being done have a lot more to do with making sure there isn't election fraud rather than voter fraud. Trump is the candidate who thinks voter fraud is happening by the millions at the same time he is saying recounts are terrible because he lacks principles. He just wants to claim he won the popular vote without evidence even thou he lost it by millions.
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  456. So we are suppose to vote Hillary who helped Bush invade Iraq? We are just suppose to ignore the fact that the DNC rigged the game? Funny that the DNC accuses Republicans of fear mongering but all Hillary supports have for supporting their corrupt, corporate, lying candidate is fear of Trump. No thanks. Jill Stein for President!
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  457. Jill Stein for President. We were promised change 8 years ago. It's time we got it.
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  458. You write like a certifiable moron.
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  459. I guess I'm saying there are lots of superficial Americans.
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  460. D Logan. Whites smoke weed at the same rate as blacks (if anything anything a slightly higher rate) but blacks are 4 times more likely to be arrested for weed. This does not reflect a society with equal rights.
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  461. C Mac very honest, understandable mistake and no big deal. Not like voting for Hillary or Trump. :)
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  462. The "democratic" party is too corrupt to save. I voted for them because I mistakenly believed they supported my values, positions, and priorities. I was wrong. The party is dead to me. I still would be willing to support the occasional candidate who identifies themselves as a democrat because a person is more important than their party, but ultimately I'm done with them and am not looking to change them. Regarding, "we MUST win on getting money PERMANENTLY out of the American political system," I can't agree with this more but you are wrong to think the "democratic" party shares your interest here. They love the money and love their superpacs. Do yourself a favor and quit that party. They do not share your values and are only lying to you to get your vote. Join the green party. They actually want you want. They have not sold their soul to big money. The DNC is not the solution... they are the problem.
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  463. Regarding, "So what, let's disarm?" Yup. Wouldn't it be nice to have the moral high ground when talking to countries like Iran when telling them they shouldn't have nukes by us not having them as well. Regarding, "Having Nukes is the best and only deterrent to not attack a nuclear power." Or we could work toward world without them. Then there would be no need for such a deterrent. Regarding, "They are here on this earth, no going back on it." Nice can't do spirit. Why even bother try to make the world a better place. Got it.
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  464. Mike regarding, "Bernie sanders is a puppet" Bernie Sanders has a long record that suggests otherwise. Regarding, "I know its a tough pill to swallow" Did you bother to read what I've written? I've been trashing Obama. But Obama and Sanders are different people that you are conflating based on nothing of substance to me.
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  465. Mike regarding, "go back and look at Bernie's record." Bernie has a very long record. Anyone who has been in office that long will always have done something I disagree with. But when I look at the big picture of Bernie's record he has consistently been on the right side of issues even when they were unpopular. He opposed the Iraq war and the Patriot act when it was the popular position. He supported gay rights when it was the unpopular position. Nobody is perfect but in comparison to his colleagues Bernie is. Regarding, "Look Bernie was put out there as like a release valve and to lead the dissent" And they would have been more dangerous had they not had someone leading the cause? They would have been better off had their not been someone speaking out against the machine and the oligarchy? They would have been better off had Sanders not been talking about the real problems? We are going to have to disagree. Regarding, "before this year people were waking up" And now they are not despite wikileaks, Sanders, and Trump winning? Again we are going to have to disagree. Regarding, "If we all wake up and unite against the real enemy of humanity which is Zionism" Again we have to disagree. Money is the root of all evil in my opinion and Jews do not have a monopoly on it.
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  466. mars regarding, "by far the worst ever" Are you kidding me? Look at DootDoot's list. There is almost nothing of policy mentioned. The only exception is the disgrace going on in ND. And I agree that that belongs on a list of fuckups. Compare that to Ws time in office. There is no comparison. The idea that Obama was the worst even even thou he sucked suggests you must have been born in the last 8 years.
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  467. Jacob pretty much nailed it. it is more expensive for edibles. I know how to grow my own but don't know how to make weed gummies, and you can't put a gummy in a bong. Oh... and I also, as many other people do, have a oral fixation and smoking is fun
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  468. Bob regarding, "it really doesn't work" It certainly doesn't with that type of can't do spirit. Regarding, "Nobody wants Trump or Clinton" You know this and because I refuse to vote for either of them I'm a CTR troll insulting CTR trolls? Why am even bothering to respond to you? Regarding, "but the reality is only one of them can win." Because people like support dogshit rather than supporting good and being willing to lose. Regarding, "You either do the responsible thing" Your idea of the responsible thing is supporting dogshit. We have very different ideas of what the responsible thing is. Regarding, "you've shirked your responsibility" It's my fault that dogshit wins because I don't support dogshit. That makes sense to the sheep. To me it seems that you are responsible for not supporting a candidate worthy of your vote. Clearly we have very different world-views. Regarding, "potentially enabling the eorst politician ever." Both Trump and Hillary are very possibly going to be the worst politician ever. So I don't vote for them. That makes sense to me. You compare and contrast two piles of shit trying to figure out which smells worse. That isn't for me. That is what the establishment wants. I'm not playing their game. You go ahead thou and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Regarding, "3rd party candidates mean nothing until they have a chance of winning a significant number of states." If not now when? The two major parties are running the two worst politicians in the country. Nobody trusts either of them or likes either of them. Still you support them because you are a sheep.
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  469. Blue regarding, "cannot beat Trump, Hillary can" If I voted for the lesser of two evils I'd vote for Trump. Consider that before you try to convince me to vote for evil like your dumb ass. Fortunately for you I don't vote for evil and have standards for who I'm willing to support. You are part of the problem when you vote for garbage. Vote for good and be part of the solution instead. Support good and be willing to lose. You won't because you are sheep. Good luck with the queen.
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  470. Remember when ISIS said, "you have to take out their families" Wait, my mistake. That wasn't ISIS. It only sounds exactly like something ISIS would say. That was actually Donald Trump saying the United States should be committing war crimes. How sad is it that both Hillary supporters and Trump supporters such as yourself have nothing positive to say about your candidate? It is pathetic that the best argument both of you have is, 'look at at how terrible the other candidate is.'
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  471. I do not care about polls. I do not care about endorsements. I care about policies. I care about priorities. I care about ethics. I vote for the candidate I think would be the best President and in this election that is Jill Stein and it isn't even close. I suggest you do the same.
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  472. Erik regarding, "It doesn't matter how much she represents you." Actually it does and only a sheep would suggest otherwise. Regarding, "But you aren't participating in who the next President is with a vote for Stein." Sure I am. I am getting the Green party closer to 5 percent. I am also sending a message to the establishment that I'm not going to choose between a douche and a turd and if they get that message they might just offer more than a douche and a turd next time if they actually care about getting my vote. Regarding, "Trump" You don't really listen do you? You have your talking points and stick to them. If I were going to vote for the lesser of two evils I'd vote for Trump. Consider that while you try and convince me to vote for a shit candidate. The problem with all your BS and talking points is that you never bother to have any standards what-so-ever for who you will vote for. I do and so should you and everybody. You know the "you need to be at least so tall to ride" signs at rollercoaster parks? Well everyone should have a "you need to be at least so decent" to get my vote signs. You obviously don't. Had Trump been the "democratic" nominee (it isn't that hard to imagine, he was a self described democrat not long ago) and David Duke were the Republican nominee you would be here with the same absurd talking points telling everyone they need to vote for Trump. Pull you head out of your ass and vote for a candidate that actually represents you and be willing to let the chips fall where they may. I'm willing to support good and lose. You support evil. Stop being part of the problem and be part of the solution instead. Good luck with the queen.
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  473. Erik regarding, "I'm sorry you don't want either to win" Of course I want to win. Everyone wants to win. But voting my values if far more important than that. I assume you would be voting Trump if new leaks tank Hillary and she is down 25 points on election day. You would vote for Trump then right? Winning is important and if you didn't vote for Trump you would be wasting your vote right?
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  474. Erik regarding, "You aren't refuting me" I'm not refuting the fact that Trump or Hillary is going to be the next President. I'm refuting your bullshit "logic" that that is a good reason to support dogshit. Regarding, "you're dodging reality." You are dodging reality if you think either Hillary or Trump deserves anyone's vote. But you go ahead and support shit and wonder why things don't actually change when you vote for same old, same old. Regarding, "Good luck." Good luck with your queen. I'm not sure why you still think people's votes actually matter anymore anyway. http://alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/
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  475. Erik regarding, "I voted for Bernie and he lost" I'm sure Hillary's "Correct the Record" trolls would never lie about something like that considering they lie about anything and everything because that is their job... to lie and lie and lie and lie and lie, just like their queen. Regarding, "Digging up an irrelevant" If she is so irrelevant than what are you doing here fear mongering to get people to vote against their own interests? If she is actually irrelevant shouldn't you just fuck off? Regarding, "no experience" Judgement is always more important than experience. Sure Hillary has experience. So does Dick Cheney. But when all that experience demonstrates consistent terrible judgement and lack of ethics I'll take no experience over that any day. Regarding, "polling at 2%" Polls can be fucked with. Jill is lucky to be offered as an option in polls. Pollster know that asking the question, "who do you want to win" and "who do you plan to vote for" gets very different answers. Pollster know this and use this to get the answers they want. They also pick and choose who they bother to ask like for example excluding polling young voters. Regarding, "naive" You are naive when you vote for dogshit for president. Correction, I would rather have dogshit be president than Hillary or Trump. I apologize to dogshit.
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  476. Erik regarding, "Do you want to borrow my phone to call someone that cares?" You get service in hell?
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  477. Erik regarding, "I haven't anything credible about that report about the statistics of election fraud" Really? How do you explain the fact that exit polls indicate massive election fraud? http://trustvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/trust-vote.png Look at the last column of "discrepancy in favor of Clinton." How do you explain it? Regarding, "polling" At the end of the day I don't give a fuck about polling. At least not in this election. If there were more than one candidate that I thought was decent enough to get my vote I would consider being strategic with my vote. Considering there is only one candidate I want to win there really is no choice for me.
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  478. Erik regarding, "I said "sorry you don't want either to win"." My mistake. I did misread that. You still don't have a valid point so far as I'm concerned.
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  479. Eric regarding, "she's more of the same" Hardly. Although superpacs are the new norm having your own foundation that takes in millions from Saudi Arabia while you sell the Saudi's arms is very new, very different, and hardly business as usual. (Side note, recently released pages from the 9-11 report indicate that the Saudi's are likely directly implicated in 9-11) She also used the foundation to essentially sell a uranium mine to Russia, and sell a seat on an important nuclear commission to a contributor. This is not business as usual no matter how much you want to pretend it is.
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  480. Erik regarding, "Selling arms to Saudi Arabia isn't new" Selling arms to foreign countries only because they are donating millions to your foundation absolutely is new. You are either being foolish, naive, or intentionally misleading. (My money is on intentionally misleading.) Regarding, "Pointing out that we arent going to roll over on cyber attacks...sounds more than appropriate" You realize we do this to other countries right? Good thing the rest of the world isn't has hypocritical as the US. Regarding, "Get some better talking points." That's funny coming from "Correct the Record." Thanks for the laugh in these sad times.
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  481. Oculos regarding, "I've talked to him outside of YouTube." It was all part of my plot to try and get you to vote for Trump while disguising myself as a Jill Stein supporter. Seriously thou I'll look you up later. I've got a bunch of stuff I need to be doing like an hour ago. Bob and Erik are lost causes. I feel they must be working for CTR. I'm done with them. My time is better spent doing anything other than talking to them further. Have a nice day.
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  482. SD regarding, "not possible" Of course it is. Social Security could be privatized among about another million ways things could be worse. Don't tempt fate. Just because the country is fucked up don't pretend it can't get worse. I assure you it can.
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  483. I disagree but fine, recount them all then. I'd prefer it if all votes were counted twice from the start and we still could have recounts done when filed through the proper channels.
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  484. John when you dig a little deeper into the reason for the factors you talk about it (like our political system is completely rigged) it is all the more reason to vote for the real change we so desperately need these days.
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  485. 143 regarding, "they promise things" Everyone promises things. That is how the game is played. I like to think I have good BS detection but I was fooled with Obama. The problem with him wasn't that he promised things. The problem with Obama is that he didn't deliver.
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  486. FSnow regarding, "Obama was a victim of reality" Is that suppose to mean something? Because to me that seems like word vomit.
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  487. steve regarding, "bush was a Democrat" Run along and let the sane talk please.
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  488. jwren regarding, "I now don't believe a damn thing politicians say." The biggest lesson and takeaway I've learned from this is the importance of following the money. The biggest tell that Obama was going to sell out the people was how much and where he got his money from. There is a direct correlation between how corrupt a politician is and where they do and do not get their money. Regarding, "George Carlin" Fuck I miss him. I'd love to hear his take on the current state of things. Not only would it be accurate but it would have been hilarious and we need good laughs in sad times when we can get them.
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  489. Lee regarding, "Dude it's on youtube." I know what you are talking about. Justin is taking words completely out of context. Obama does not advocate for illegals voting. He talks about the sanctity of the vote. He is talking about citizens voting who might have illegal immigrants in their family, not themselves. He talks about how your vote is confidential. To vote people need to REGISTER TO VOTE. And we do not let illegal immigrants register to vote. Try to remember that the next time you peddle the illegal immigrants are voting bullshit.
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  490. @Badatallthis Stuff BTW I don't care if you want to "lecture me." I care about your hypocrisy and your lack of quality arguments.
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  491. Kara regarding, "made a chump out of me twice," I admit to being duped by Obama as well. The biggest lesson I like to think I learned is follow the money and my trust in a candidate is going to be directly correlated to how a candidate raises the money for their campaign. I am going to be much more willing to trust Justice Dems in large part to how they finance their campaigns. Regarding, "I voted Green Party" Vote for good candidates and good people regardless of their party label or you are doing the same thing that dems and republicans do when they blindly follow their party. Regarding, "Green is where I will stay registered so they can have a chance of getting matching federal funding." I do not believe that federal funding is in any way attached to registration. That I am far from sure about this and would be interested if you have any proof of this claim.
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  492.  @thenamelessguy7357  Regarding, "infinite lockdowns and infinite Covid strains." Infinite? So you just pull shit from your ass? Regarding, "It will never end." So a vaccine is just for show? Regarding, "Let me give you some political advice, once someone has power, it’s very hard to let it go" Let me give you some advice... don't just mindless go between talking about covid to talking about "political" power and act like they are the same thing or some shit.
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  493. This is how you justify making California's votes utterly meaningless... you think they are less then you. Bottom line is that they are Americans and their votes should count exactly as much as everyone else when it comes to voting for president.
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  494. You are an idiot.
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  495. Pandora regarding, "Voted Trump." So you consider yourself a progressive? Way to go. You prove that the left can be just as fucking retarded as the right.
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  496. Well I guess he did abstain... which, again, is not actually any different than a no for all intensive purposes. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00209
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  497. Policy wise he is right in line with republicans and corporate dems.
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  498.  @christianpervert525  "Pointing to other mandates is not a good defense of more mandates." It would have been a fair point if M4A was actually a mandate. It doesn't mandate jack shit. You don't even have to go to a doctor FFS. To conflate that with mandating putting things into your body was asinine.
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  499.  @npalmi88  Regarding, "people want to fuck them." I'm confident Amy doesn't have this problem.
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  500. LOL The irony of you accusing jimmy of gaslighting while spreading BS is funny. Cenk is against forcing the vote on m4a.
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  501. " they'll argue in court they're not news." It would be the most true thing they would have ever said.
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  502.  @anderander5662  "how so?" Goldman sachs cabinet, cares act, covid response, stopped 0 wars, kids in cages, war crimes, and more. Like every way possible. I shouldn't have to explain this.
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  503.  @timn5008  Which one? Can anyone see my second reply? The one that reads, "Don't support evil. Period." How does that not get any thumbs up? How isn't that something everyone can get behind? Do people look at that and think I'm dumb for writing it or something?
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  504. I'm not on the same "side" as the reporter (as in I'm a far lefty), but ALL his questions were legit enough to get answers.
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  505. Jimmy's focus and this channels focus is politics. There is nothing political about Louis CK and there really isn't much Jimmy can add about it that isn't already being talked about. Jimmy needs to continue to focus on the things the corporate media ignores.
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  506. Regarding, "You're reaching." Really? http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-harvey-weinstein-donated-to-clinton-obama-2017-10 It includes a picture of Weinstein with Clinton and as you pointed out he isn't with her because of his fame.
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  507. I agree with what you are saying. I can be very critical of the public but I also agree with noting how many Americans are too busy just trying to make it and stay afloat in everyday life to realize how badly they are getting shafted. There are also lots of people who still get their "news" from corporate media. Ultimately I think Bernie is doing the best he can in a bad situation. He isn't even a dem. People should think this done for a reason. He points out the income inequality. He points out how our politicians represent their donors (and he does so while saying politicians as opposed to saying republicans). He calls for a "political revolution." And does lots of other things I can't think of because it is late to distance himself from the corporate dems. 2020 can't come soon enough.
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  508. W Meito regarding, "the duopoly must end" The only way that is going to happen is by winning. The major parties have rigged the entire game to their benefit. They have insulated themselves from their terrible politics. Let's say the Green party supplanted the dems with the current system.... with the current system we wouldn't have a 3 party system but rather the dems would suffocate and die (which would be ok) but we would still be left with a 2 party system. To really end the stranglehold of a 2 party system the system needs to be reformed. We would need ranked choice voting and other things. It is not going to happen overnight. You have the entire system fighting against it. Both major parties like it just the way it is.
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  509. op regarding, "force the Dems to either support Progressive platform points in order to form a coalition government to get ANYTHING done OR they will further reveal their colors" They would only reveal their colors. They clearly are more ok with losing than with changing. The only way they are going to change is if they are forced to change from the inside. Regarding, "taking them over from the inside is NOT the quickest way to have an impact on policy" Taking them over from the inside is the quickest way to get everything. To start getting the policy we want. To get a major party that represents the people and not the big money donors. To kill the corporate dems and send them to the Republican party where they belong. It all starts by getting a progressive as the nominee. Then we purge the corporate dems and reform the shit out of the party. Ban them from taking their legalized bribes and all of a sudden we start having a party that is incentivized to care about the people rather than being incentivized to care about their big money donors. It won't be easy. It isn't a fair fight. But it is possible. Regarding, "We could get this done by 2018." And people like to call me naive about the "democratic" party. Regarding, "We need change NOW." Yes we do. Regarding, "And the quickest way to do that is to push hard on the Dems with a thrid party that has ballot access." They don't give a fuck about your 3rd party. They are not threatened by it. They would rather lose to the republicans than change. And they know they have rigged the entire system against 3rd parties. Regarding, "MAYBE we'll have enough Progressives to finally influence Dem policy." We NEED one progressive to influence dem policy. The nominee. The party leader. They get the chair of their choice. The chair picks the people under them and so on. Regarding, "if Bernie threatened to go third party it would INSTANTLY create this third party and we would be where we need to be to be getting policy changes." First off I don't see why everyone thinks creating a new party is such a great idea and so necessary. I personally think that the Green party's policy positions are right where the dems and the left should be. There is essentially nothing I disagree with them on in general. If people want to get a new player in the game I think they should be working to build and support the Green party who have the benefit of already existing and having some infrastructure. Secondly, like I've already pointed out, this is going to get you ZERO policy. If Sanders runs as an independent or Green and wins you very well might get ZERO policy. Both major parties would just oppose everything he does (and if you disagree with this I suggest you are not paying attention to the major parties) and they would just try to run out the clock on his presidency until they can just go back to the status quo. If Sanders wins as a dem democrats would be incentivized to work with him. And yes they would fight him often but they would not fight him always like they would if he were of another party. But most importantly he needs to win as a dem so that he can reform the party from the inside and from the top down. That is the quickest way to get a progressive major party.
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  510.  @bcon2608  Is that what you tell yourself to rationalize paying twice as much for health care? For a system that leaves millions uninsured? And others in medical bankruptcy?
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  511.  @bcon2608  "I look at lobbying contributions by industry and have a functioning brain." Do you think the countries that have universal health care don't also have those problems? And still their system costs HALF as much as the US system. "You should try to think sometime." This is funny from a guy that wants to pay twice as much for our current terrible system.
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  512.  @Wolfe-xz6tr  "when did he call himself anti-imperialist?" You guys are calling him that. Or at least some are.
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  513.  @reinsmano  "better stat to use" Why aren't you looking up the info yourself? Why would you be asking me for it? Instead of just doing your own research? Why should I need to prove that trump dropped lots of bombs? How unserious are you people?
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  514.  @brucecampbell6578  "zero US casualties in Afghanistan" Nevermind trying to prove this. I know it's not true. "8/2/2017 Hunter, Jonathon Michael Sergeant United States U.S. Army 23 Afghanistan" That is but one name among many. Why would you lie about something like that?
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  515.  @paddyo3841  "Trump HAD TO GO because he said the quiet part out loud" Yeah. Trump was a bad spokesmen for the establishment but he was always one of them.
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  516.  @paddyo3841  "Trump was... opposition" Meanwhile, in reality, trump would invite the clintons to his wedding. Before trump first announced his candidacy he called up bill clinton to have a talk. Trump passed the cares act, the largest upward transfer of wealth in history. Trump was not opposition, he was merely a bad look for the empire. They would much rather have someone like obama putting people to sleep but at the end of the day the policies were all the same.
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  517. LMAO. Don't blame the millions of eligible voters that didn't vote. Don't blame the DNC for rigging the primary for their corrupt POS. Don't blame the corporate media who gave Trump billions in free media. Don't blame Hillary Clinton for being such a corrupt POS she couldn't beat another corrupt POS. Blame the .01 percent of the population that watches Alex Jones because afterall if those dipshits weren't watching Alex Jones they would have been smart enough to vote differently.
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  518.  @sonjakozman1699  "Spam that gets reported or comments that get deleted, continue to display the same number" Nope. When a comment is deleted by youtube or when you delete it yourself the count goes down.
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  519.  @sonjakozman1699  If you want to know if you comment is actually showing or if it's being shadowbanned you can check by looking at the thread while you are signed out.
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  520.  @sonjakozman1699  After I wrote the comment beginning, "Tell you what..." I wrote 3 different replies to you. All are being shadowbanned. I'm not a bot, I'm not spam, they weren't reported, they are just wrong think and being censored.
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  521.  @susanmercurio1060  I think it's best to just walk away.
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  522.  Tariq St Patrick  In the same way the dems made a deal to give everyone 2k checks immediately.... they lied.
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  523.  @Lurch685  If it's fact maybe provide evidence instead of being a twat.
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  524.  @Dontwanthe24  People didn't vote for biden, they voted against trump. Provide evidence or STFU.
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  525. @Odin's Oracle Hopefully the dems come through with another 2k so that I can give it directly to cenk.
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  526.  @willbeard4835  I've already maxed out my credit card giving it all to TYT. I know that as soon as they have all the money the revolution can start.
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  527. He looked presidential.
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  528. I love it and would be all for it but I think we need Sanders in 2020 and boils down to this... I don't trust the public. Turner is relatively unknown and inexperienced. The corporate media would be very effective in smearing her the same way they smeared Sanders last go round (the DNC as well of course). Sanders has name recognition now. Sanders is the most popular politician in the country. If Turner wins I would love it and think Sanders should consider her for VP (should he run) but I consider her plan C (Tulsi is plan B).
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  529. Antonio regarding, "I think the American people want a new face." I think they want change and don't care the face that brings it to them. Obama ran on it but because he didn't bring it they tried a person who wasn't a politician previously. Regarding, "The American people are now more distrusting of the media than we have been in a very long time." I agree but still you need to be wary of the corporate media... they still hold great power. And the same can be said of the DNC. Regarding, "Nian Turner has a much more assertive personality than Sanders." Agreed. I think she would have handle Bernies situation in the last election very differently. That said I'm not sure it is a political asset. You know they will try to smear her as an angry black women no matter how unjustified it is. Regarding, "But America is ready for our first woman president," Of course they are. That said I don't think Turner being a women is an asset. The fact that she is brilliant is an asset. Regarding, "I truly believes that she captures the spirit of this rising America." She very well might the same way Bernie did and if it happens I would be happy to support her. I just worry about her being an unknown hurting her the same way it hurt Sanders last go round. Regarding, "I think she would be a fantastic leader of the United States." Absolutely. I can't agree more with this.
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  530. idea regarding, "Democrats do not deserve even that." Deserve has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with being wise. And if it helps, keep in mind that the democratic establishment don't want you to vote in their primary. That is why they have so many closed primary states. If you have a problem with the party, as you should, then do what little you can to make them better. And supporting progressives in their primary is a way of doing that. That isn't a vote to put someone in office. That is a vote tell the party what they are suppose to be.
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  531.  @luv2fly745  "Amirite?" This comment of yours is being shadowbanned. I can't possibly figure out why. /s
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  532. It is not like he voted for it. A no show is just a lazy no.
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  533. We need to laugh in dark times or we would go insane. Peace.
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  534. The scientific community thinks you are dumb.
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  535. Chris regarding, "then show me evidence" The demexit movement and the popularity of medicare for all are both examples among many. Regarding, "all I see is..." Then you aren't looking hard enough. Do I count? Have I praised McCain? Tell you what... I will. Even thou he sucked he was at least a voice of reason when it came to torture.
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  536. David regarding, "its hardly a Sander’s thing." No it's not. But he is clearly leading the fight for it now right? Do you think so many dems would be willing to lie about their stance on it if it weren't for him? Regarding, "I’d wager that the majority of people who wanted to Dem-exit, but didn’t, did it because they believe Bernie still has a chance with the Dems." So people being registered in undemocratic closed primary states is a bad thing? Those are people who want to try and use what little power they have to try and shape that shit party and make it better. Ultimately crying isn't as effective so I don't blame them. I fortunately live in an open primary state and don't need to play that game. But those people leaving the party in droves, who absolutely do exist, are doing so in large part to Sanders. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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  537. vlada regarding, "No one?" Yup. No one. Regarding, "They might not have the same politics but Ron Paul has done an equally fine job opening the eyes if people." Um... no. Regarding, "Paul is vastly superior to Bernie on foreign affairs these past few decades" He is better but not vastly so. And he is shit when it comes to domestic economic policy and that is an epic understatement. Sanders record on foreign policy, while admittedly not perfect, is constantly smeared, mischaracterized, and lied about by the establishment. Regarding, "Ross Perot election run was huge" Let's agree to disagree about this shall we?
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  538. I think TP should come before sliced bread. I use TP every day. I agree with everything else thou.
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  539. He's a MF hero.
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  540. There is zero reason to think Trump would have been Sanders including the notion that blacks wouldn't have voted for Sanders over Trump.
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  541. "It's still a better country from where any of these immigrants came from." Is it? The "land of the free" imprisons more of it's citizens by total and by percentage of population and it isn't even close. The US is the greatest threat to world peace. It might be better for you but as a whole as a country it's literally the shittiest country on earth at the moment.
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  542. Sorry for not being as impressed with her grandstanding as you.
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  543. He's a democratic socialist but don't let that fact get in the way of you saying something stupid.
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  544. You clearly do not get it.
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  545. dpeace regarding, "Russ Feingold" I understand why Trump won Wisconsin. I was shocked, appalled, and pissed Feingold didn't get his senate seat back.
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  546. I like to think Feingold would have won had Sanders been the nominee. Sadly we will never know. Hopefully Feingold gets a position of power sometime in the future. There are very few politicians I trust and actually root for so I was very sad to see him lose... especially to such a complete douche like Johnson.
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  547. Sign the petition if you haven't already please.
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  548. I still can't stand elon but he did one good thing at least.
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  549.  @tungbi11  Praise be the orange clown says the cult.
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  550.  @sniperjared  Don't get me wrong I'm happy that I don't get persecuted for it. But it's laughable for you to use the word "mythical" when I'm doing nothing but spitting facts. Responses like yours are what you say when you have nothing of substance to refute those facts.
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  551. Ok dipshit. You go ahead and continue to think that "Most Americans do not accept socialism," even after I accurately point out that most Americans accept social security and K-12 education... aka socialism. Fuck you are stupid. Actually me calling you stupid is insulting to stupid people. But you are correct that me addressing you is a waste of time. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
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  552. Andrew huh? I like Redacted Tonight but I don't understand what your point is unless you are just trying to plug them. Would you care to elaborate?
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  553. B4 regarding, "It's just a shame that the Duopoly of the two major parties has so corrupted American politics." Money in politics is fucking everything up. It is the virus that infects everything it touches. Regarding, "hoping for a change that never seems forthcoming" Former democrats are rightfully pissed at Obama for never producing the hope and change he promised. Regarding, "Bernie is the best choice by far but that won't happen." I'm not sure how they can stop him. He is by far the most popular politician in the country. He has by far the best policy positions. His positions are overwhelmingly popular. He generates more enthusiasm than anyone else by far. Even with the wheels of the establishment working overtime against him I'm not sure they can stop him. Regarding, "very little chance of four more years of Trump." Just so long as it isn't the someone who is as bad on policy but less offensive. If they are just as bad on policy then I actually prefer it is someone that makes everyone sick to their stomach. Hopefully we actually get someone decent... like Sanders.
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  554. I have to go live my life. Have a nice day everyone. Good luck fighting the good fight. Peace.
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  555.  @bidoof4938  "willing to compromise and incorporate non-progressive ideas" Sorry not sorry for having standards and principles that yang doesn't even come close to reaching. You want to blame us for not liking the things your clown is doing? I don't care.
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  556. Maybe because you aren't even attempting to make an argument.
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  557.  @BadMayonnaise  Propaganda works... even on smart people.
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  558.  Bruce Lee  "the Turks are loved" Is that why team clinton gave them 20 million?
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  559. Jimmy I only ask that if you do sell out you are obvious about it. Maybe come out with a video about why Hillary is fucking amazing the day you cash the check. Thanks in advance.
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  560. Or maybe you can make a satirical video doing the same but don't actually sell out.
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  561. Let's say that he is a loser (even thou he isn't). What does that make you?
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  562. I can't. I had no blackness to lose.
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  563. He has some charisma but he is nothing compared to Obama when it comes to that. The fact of the matter is that Sanders is loved not because he is a greater speaker but because he has a winning message and we know he means what he says because he has been saying it his entire life.
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  564. Khashon, I just think the appropriate place for Hillary Clinton's words are between my buttcheeks soaking up poo.
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  565.  @FazeParticles  Imagine thinking the good thing is people suffering. GFY
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  566. If he does that and Trump wins then he is effectively blamed for Trump. It is better that Hillary be blamed for her loss (despite all her efforts to place the blame elsewhere).
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  567. While imaginepeace is telling us to be scared of Bernie Sanders and he is using establishment talking points to make him look bad. He is the establishment sheep herder.
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  568. So this is what you are doing instead of fighting for m4a? You suck.
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  569. Andre regarding, "i wish this would happen, but it will never happen" I think you are very wrong. I think Sanders winning in 2020 is inevitable as long as he is healthy. Of course the DNC and the establishment are going to do everything they can to stop him but the game has changed and their efforts are going to fail imo. In 2016 Sanders entered the race completely unknown and only "lost" to Hillary because of their shenanigans. Now he has name recognition like no other (which is waaaayyyy more important in our society than it should be) and he is the most popular politician in the country. Please let him stay healthy and he will win.
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  570. You know there were other candidates right?
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  571. By making idiotic smears of him you are doing the work of the establishment. They appreciate your stupid shit.
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  572. Jimmy has products for sale? I had no idea. :) Maybe if they did some advertising or something.
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  573. Michelle regarding, "NaNa is full of complete shit" Yup. It doesn't say much for their argument that they need to lie to try to make their case.
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  574. Wow. Just. Wow.
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  575. Shadow regarding, "I like the part where..." Of course there is something that you can point to that Trump said about something and agree with because Trump would say anything and everything that he thought people would want to hear. He could say something and then contradict himself in the same fucking sentence. That isn't good campaigning, that this mindless, meaningless pandering. Regarding, "I'll take an anti-war." Yeah. I love and want candidates who are anti-war too but, again, we are talking about the guy who said and campaigned on, "WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT THEIR FAMILIES." That is a fucking war crime. So I'm not sure exactly why you or anyone could think the guy saying this was "anti-war."
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  576. Shadow regarding, "You hate the consequence, when you should be hating the 'FACTORS'" I hate both and that is what everyone should be doing. Just because Trump is a result of a corrupt system and corrupt parties doesn't mean he should be given a pass for sucking and when you say something like this it only serves to excuse him and his behavior. Regarding, "Voting for third party doesn't sound like a sound strategy as that would only have added chance for victory for the "you know who witch". " I happily voted for Jill Stein in a swing state because she was the only candidate running that I actually wanted to win. But way to go with your bullshit "logic." That is the same bullshit Hillary supporters used to support that piece of shit. Regarding, "that was what was available for the people to deal a blow against the permanent state." I really wish you were able to see how obviously flawed this "logic" is. Voting for Trump wasn't a "blow against the permanent state." That was vote for it... just like voting for Hillary.
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  577. It isn't about passing policy right now. It is about forcing politicians to take a position on the record. Just because many of them are signing on doesn't mean I believe them. Still we can all know for sure who doesn't and target most of the mud on them. I get it that you don't believe many of them actually support it. I agree. But this isn't the time to target them. Do that when they are on the wrong side of an issue. It happens plenty enough.
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  578. Regarding, "hasn't deserted the totally corrupt Democratic Party." Nobody on the planet has done more to expose the rot in the party than Sanders. Nobody offers the opportunity to reform the party and make them not suck going forward like Sanders. But you keep smearing the best hope we have for progressive policy going forward. The establishment appreciates you doing their work for them.
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  579. Still leaving your bullshit up. Why am I suppose to be ok with that? Why shouldn't I take offense to that? You are actively and, I can only assume, intentionally trying to lie to people.
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  580. No it isn't. It is the exact same as voting no.
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  581. None. Fortunately it isn't about trust. It is about creating consequences for those opposed enough so that we force them to pass it. It is a litmus test. I'm not going to automatically support someone who says they are for it but I am NOT going to support anyone who openly opposes it. And anyone who flip flops and fucks us over down the road... well that is a quick way to lose your job. Let's just hope that we can get to the point where the K Harris and C Bookers of the world are forced to decide if they want to flip flop or lose their jobs.
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  582. I agree. Sincerely, guy on the way left.
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  583. Trump had 4 years and only took away people insurance.
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  584. You can't really be this stupid can you?
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  585.  @pauliepaparazzo4484  Regarding, "Have a little depth in your comment Clint" My time is valuable to me and I don't tend to waste in on people I think are flat earth level stupid. Literally everything you say is wrong for one reason or another. Hopefully that can be deep enough for you. If it's not I don't care.
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  586. Fixel regarding, "tremendous" How did I forget to include that Trumpism? Shame on me.
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  587. You are a moron.
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  588. Chris regarding, "his war record" You mean like when he took a stand against invading Iraq in the immediate wake of 9-11? Regarding, "carrys water for dem party" You mean like how more people are woke to the rot in the party than ever before because of Bernie Sanders? Regarding, "Ill never understand u dummys" You don't understand because you are dumb as fuck.
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  589. I hope Kim will negotiate. The problem is that, if he doesn't, I could see this meeting causing the situation to escalate. I believe in diplomacy. This is the type of thing that I would normally be wholeheartedly in favor of. That said I do not trust Un or Trump to act logically. Both of them are all about trying to prove how big their dicks are and think this can easily get out of hand. As much as the situation is shitty at the moment at least we are not currently at war and I am tired as fuck with war. Those two are so mentally unstable I wouldn't be surprised if Trump not being able to shake hands like a normal person leads to war. I hope it goes well assuming it actually happens. To me there is no reason to be starting another war. As much as Un is unstable I just don't consider them a legitimate risk to the US, see no need to start to go to war, and fear this situation may give Trump and company an excuse to start another war.
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  590.  @UniqueBreakfastTaco  If it was about health they would have given them to people in africa. It's clear it was about money.
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  591. Bernie didn't lose, he was cheated. There is a big difference.
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  592. Chelsea is officially my favorite Clinton. That said I would never vote for her for President.
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  593. Your comments are always great. Have you ever thought about running for office? We need people like you in government.
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  594. I'm with her. Jill Stein that is!
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  595. Not only would Bernie have crushed Donald but the "democratic" party would have won the senate.
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  596. Regarding, "But flag burning rights" I thought you had a hard on for the constitution. It is freedom of speech. People burning the flag are doing so as a statement. A statement that is protect under the first amendment. Could a state make burning the flag illegal even thou the SC has determined it is unconstitutional to outlaw it? No. You know why? They are not sovereign.
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  597. You are not different than Hillary supporters who are voting for her just because of Trump. Wouldn't you rather find a candidate to vote for? And not just things to vote against?
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  598. You are wrong to think this is only a problem with the republican party.
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  599. Whatever you got to tell yourself to vote for a terrible candidate like Hillary or Trump.
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  600. Sainter regarding, "The American standard" Raymond beat me to the obvious answer that many Americans like you are completely dense to.
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  601. Sainter regarding, "You and "Raymond" will wake up one day." What a stupid insult. Sadly you will never wake up will you?
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  602. Bernie or busters. Please do not let bust mean you do not vote. Please vote for Jill Stein. Her policy positions are very close to that of Bernie. 3rd party candidates need our support if we are ever going to do better than a broken 2 party system. Jill Stein for President! The only candidate worth voting for.
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  603. Even the people claiming she didn't break the law don't have the balls and stupidity of you to claim that she didn't do anything wrong.
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  604. Hillary is not, in any way, worthy of the job. She will never have my vote. Jill not Hill!
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  605. The Green Party is the only not corrupted by big money and corporate money. Jill Stein for President. In part because she is in favor of criminal justice reform.
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  606. To me it doesn't sound like you are trying to be fair but rather you are trying to make excuses... piss poor excuses at that.
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  607. purplefishies, regarding, "Jill Stein isn't even at half the %...." Voting shouldn't have to do with the polls. It isn't about picking the winner. It is about voting for your values.
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  608. Purple regarding, "her 20% lie rate ain't nothing compared to Trumps 71% on every thing he says." Wow. What stupid misleading, far from true numbers. Even if they were true, which they are not, the fact that Trump loves the sound of his own voice and can't shut up versus Hillary who lies less because she isn't willing to do a press conference for example might help explain this. "We can get her elected and still primary her in less than 4 years." And people call me unrealistic.
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  609. I'm convinced Hillary work for her corporate donors. I'm convinced Hillary will always choose war instead of peace. I'm convinced Hillary will support the TPP despite her words. I'm convinced fracking is bad. I'm convinced we need to bring back Glass-Steagal. I'm convinced Hillary is a liar who would say literally anything to get elected. I can go on but I think you get the point.
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  610. nez regarding, "its not freedom of speach its burning a flag" Um, yes. It is. Why do you think the do it then if not for a political statement? Regarding, "saying n!@# is also then freedom of speach" Um, yes. It is. Holy shit you are not very smart are you?
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  611. First there is nothing to blame Nader about. The BS that Nader cost Gore the election is just that... BS. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth Second you are an idiot to not realize Hillary would be an epic terrible candidate. I arguably think Trump would be less dangerous mostly because he would be less effective. He is all talk and wouldn't be able to get much of anything done. That said Hillary would be able to get things done and almost none of it would be any good.
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  612. I hate to break it to you but if you think America having a 1 party system would be the worst case scenario.... we already essentially have a 1 party system that represents Wall Street and big money.
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  613. CalM regarding, "If Clinton gets in this 5%..." With all due respect the idea that anyone should support the Green party by not voting for them is absurd. Just as absurd as the idea that Trump is any better than Hillary. The same candidate you support is essentially the exact same as the candidate you despise. Dadtka regarding, "You can still vote for Bernie" Please don't. Jill Stein is essentially Bernie Sanders when it comes to policy, priorities, and ethics and that is what is really important. Bernie is not running and write in votes for candidates who have not registered as write in candidates are tossed in the trash. Actually running for President should be a prerequisite of getting your vote. You also are ignoring the very good reasons to support the Green party and get them to 5 percent to help them grow.
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  614. CaLMCee regarding, "foreign policy. Trump wants" Trump wants to "take out their families." Trump wants to bring back waterboarding and worse (whatever that is) and he doesn't care if it works. The man is evil and a POS. He sounds like he wants to lead ISIS because ultimately he is the same type of person that is found in ISIS. I agree that Hillary is dangerous. But to use that as an excuse to support another POS who also is obviously dangerous is absurd and terrible logic. Trump would start a war because someone said something that hurt his feelings on Twitter for fucks sake. You are voting for essentially the same type of terrible you claim to want to avoid. Good luck with your conman. I will never support him or Hillary.
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  615. Most regarding, "Vote for Jill Stein IF you don't live in a swing state." I don't care what state you live in. Jill Stein is the only candidate worthy of your vote.
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  616. CaLM regarding, "Getting bored of this ridiculous argument that Trump will just be able to start a war with anybody he wants easily." I don't if easily is the best term but we are talking about the who is going to be the next commander in chief. Whoever that is will be the biggest determining factor in any upcoming wars we decide to go to. Regarding, "no war gets started on the whim of a president." Traditionally we don't start wars on a whim but I wouldn't put it past Trump should someone get under his very thin skin. Regarding, "You dont seem to be understanding that im making my argument based on what is best to do given the current situation." You don't seem to understand that there is barely a best when it comes to Hillary and Trump. Regarding, "Either Clinton or Trump will get in so 3rd party is wasted this time around." Do I really need to answer this absurd argument again? If you aren't bothering to listen to what I have to say I feel less need to respond to you but I will say this again... The only wasted votes are votes for terrible people I you don't want to win. I'd rather vote for Jill Stein and lose than vote for either Hillary or Trump and win. Oh and there are the reasons of supporting the Green party because of making sure they get to 5 percent sending the establishment a message that I'm not willing to accept inferior candidates. It is never a wasted vote when it is being cast for the only candidate I actually want to win. Regarding, "Changes in torture approaches etc doesnt come near" Even good people can excuse and rationalize terrible things so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you continue to make excuses for torture you are not going to be good for very long. No doubt ISIS says the same thing you do here. Support good and be willing to lose. It is a fight worth having.
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  617. Andrea regarding, "IT'S NOT TRUE" I don't doubt there were a handful of people who committed voter fraud but the idea that it was millions if fucking absurd. That said I would like the votes recounted for other reasons. I fear election fraud but that is very different than what Trump talks about.
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  618. Michael regarding, "we can't go back because the technology exist now." Thanks for clearing that up. I was obviously suggesting the world be placed into a time machine and we all go back in time in a delorean. Now I understand. Regarding, "that's why there's sooo many and not just 10 nukes per capable country. Its either a lot of nukes or no nukes" Um. Just out of curiosity do you at least think there would be a point where there were too many nukes? The US and russia each have about 7500 nukes. That doesn't seem a little excessive to you? Would these countries be any less of a power or deterrent if the "only" had 1000 nukes? Or do you think if that was all the US had Russia would be like, "fuck yeah... look at those pussies... may as well start ww3. It's like they aren't even trying." Israel has about 100. Are they still considered a nuclear power to you? Or are they barely worth mentioning or don't even count at all because they don't have lots and lots and lots of nukes. I mean. 100 nukes? Just imagine how "little" damage they could do with them. You know these weapons of mass destruction (the term we used to wrongfully justify invading another country) cost lots of money to make right? And to protect right? And in all honesty I feel that of those 7500 nukes the US THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE STOLEN AND USED AGAINST US THAN US USING THEM. Regarding, "A lot of nukes gives reason not to launch because it'd be the end of everyone." Take a moment to please think about these words. IT'D BE THE END OF EVERYONE. I actually agree with those words but I guess I think differently about them than you do. What is the purpose of having the ability to destroy the world? Who wins if something like that happens? Are you really willing to do this? Or is this just a big bluff that you would be using with a losing poker hand? Regarding, "Having no nukes puts everyone at risk at every moment because we're capable of making one at the snap of a finger." Again do you not realize how silly this statement might seem? A world with no nukes is the dangerous world to you because they COULD be made... and the safe world is the world with 20K nukes in the world?!? I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. And it also is not as easy to make nukes as you suggest or Iran would already have them. That said I concede that if the US wants to makes nukes they can do so rather quickly, but I feel the world with less nukes is actually the safer place.
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  619. 3:08 Hillary shill nods her head in agreement. 3:20 Hillary shill sighs knowing she is beat and has nothing to say as a response. The truth hurts sometimes.
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  620. That is either epic sarcasm or you are epic stupid. It is tough to tell online sometimes.
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  621. Bob regarding, "This clearly comes from a CTR shill" You think that I am a CTR shill even thou in my original post I call out CTR? Trump loves the uneducated for a reason. You might want to consider the possibility that many people have a problem with both major parties and refuse to support terrible candidates. That actually makes sense to the sane.
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  622. saturated fat, thanks for the laughs at your expense. Seriously thou seek help.
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  623. Erik regarding, "None of that changes the fact that Nader voters could have changed the outcome of the election." So could have Bush voters. Or Gore could have been a better candidate. Or the SC could have not stopped a recount. You choose to focus on Nader voters even thou for all you know they would have preferred Bush win at the time of their vote or, more likely, they would have just stayed home and said they were not going to vote for a terrible candidates.
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  624. Erik regarding, "You can make personal attacks, but nothing I've said is untrue." If you say so. If you have a problem with me accusing you of being a "Correct the Record" troll you should blame Hillary Clinton for engaging in that type of despicable campaign tactic that make such an accusation valid. You won't thou. You will blame me... as always. Regarding, "I donated $100 to Bernie as well." Thanks for that. I'm the type to believe people when they say shit that can't be proven or dis-proven in the comments section. Again, I'm sure Hillary's "Correct the Record" trolls would never lie like that.
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  625. Bob regarding, "SC" Yeah, Bob let's vote Hillary so we can get a Texas Republican on the court. http://snapzu.com/AdelleChattre/wikileaks-reveals-clinton-considered-a-texas-republican-for-the-supreme-court http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2016/10/24/wikileaks-email-reveals-hillary-clinton-campaign/
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  626. Erik regarding, "That was people within her campaign discussing it" That's way different than the queen. Birds of a feather flock together. If you think Hillary has any intention of putting people on the court who are not corporate friendly I assure you you are being naive and duped. Good luck with the queen. I envy you in a way. It must be nice to think your candidate still has a chance to win (even though nobody should want her to win). I've already lost because of morons and sheep like you who are ok supporting dogshit that don't give a flying fuck about the people. Jimmy brought a good Malcolm X quote up before. He says, "If Johnson had been running all by himself, he would not have been acceptable to anyone. The only thing that made him acceptable to the world was that the shrewd capitalists, the shrewd imperialists, knew that the only way people would run toward the fox would be if you showed them a wolf. So they created a ghastly alternative. And it had the whole world, including people who call themselves Marxists, hoping that Johnson would beat Goldwater." Ironically Hillary Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl" at the time. Malcolm X goes on to say, "I have to say this, those that claim to be enemies of the system were on their hands and knees waiting for Johnson to get elected because he is suppose to be a man of peace. And at that very moment Johnson had troops invading the Congo and south Vietnam. He even has troops in areas where other imperialists have withdrawn. Peace corps to Nigeria, mercenaries to the Congo." Good luck with the fox. At least you aren't voting for the wolf huh? Fucking sheep.
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  627. Regarding, "while Donald Trump is stuffing the US Supreme Court full of right wing judges who'll ensure that money talks." You want to make sure it was included here you go. The point is that you are worried about Trump stuffing the court with judges who'll "ensure that money talks" while supporting Hillary Clinton. You are dumb as fuck. I have to go live my life. You can't change the opinions of people like Hillary's "Correct the Record" trolls when they are already being paid to think something. That premise applies to the queen herself as well.
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  628. Eric I really have to go. You feel free to keep saying stupid shit if you want and I'll tell you why you are a moron later.
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  629. Tiny Hands Donald must be a Trump shill. (Obvious sarcasm is obvious.) Seriously thou I admire Tiny Hands Donald's ability to give you far more attention, detail, and nuance than I think you deserve Erik. Hearing stuff like, "Selling arms to Saudi Arabia isn't new or anything Hillary is pushing." makes me angry enough I could shake a baby. (Don't worry I don't have a baby.) You make anyone who hears you talk dumber when you say BS like that. I just want to tune out your noise but THD just dropped the mic on you. Does that affect your CTR pay?
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  630. Erik regarding, "but to suggest they have anything to do with the Clinton Foundation is a bit naive" LMFAO. I'm sure the Saudi Arabian government was giving those millions to the Clinton foundation at the time of the weapons deals because they were interested in humanitarian efforts. The Saudi's are known for their big hearts. Seriously you should go fuck off and Correct the Record elsewhere. Only one of her paid shills is capable of saying crap like that and doing so while calling me "naive." It is a bit funny when I don't think about how you are helping destroy the world. Get a real job.
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  631. Bob's messages have been brought to you and paid for by Goldman Sachs. Get the fuck out of here and get a real job you piece of shit. Hearing your bullshit really makes me want to vote for Donald Trump and I don't want to do that. You, like Eric, are making the world a worse place with what you are doing. Wouldn't you rather be doing something decent with your life? Look in the mirror, change, and change professions. Humanity would appreciate it.
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  632. Oculos regarding, "I miss Erik" I don't. Bob and Erik seriously make me want to vote for Trump. I live in a swing state for the first time in my life during a Presidential election. I like the idea of my vote possibly swinging the election. And gun to my head I would prefer Trump. That is so messed up. I was a lifelong democrat before this election. Fuck that thou, I snapped out of it. Jill Stein will get my vote.
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  633. Oculos regarding, "Make sense" I guess. This election is just depressing as fuck. Trump or Hillary? We have already lost as a country and election day isn't even here yet. How does anyone vote for either of those two? They are both. So. Awful. The FBI has different rules for the rich and powerful. Corporations have free rein in ND while my former "team" turns a cheek and doesn't give a shit. The war machine rolls on. I think it all might be a conspiracy to sell anti-depressants. I'm not going to let big pharma win though. I think I might go track down a bag of green and smoke it til election day has passed in solidarity with the Green party (and for sanity sake). Regarding, "Jill gets mine too." Keep up the good fight. I'd rather vote for her and lose than vote for Hillary or Trump and win. The only silver lining I'm hoping for is that this election has started to wake the country to how corrupt our political system is. (Thank you Bernie Sanders, wikileaks, snowden, and manning.) And hopefully after the ensuing, inevitable disaster we can get someone decent in office next time. GWB led to Obama. I never thought I'd see a black President in my lifetime. Too bad he didn't come through with his promise of hope and change. Maybe next time we can actually get the hope and change we are long overdue for. Peace.
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  634. Smaak we get your meaning but you are wrong.
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  635. Smaak. I'm not going to claim that weed cures everything but I know for a fact that it has medical uses. The first day I got home after having back surgery I was fking miserable (was in the hospital for almost a week before then). I couldn't eat. I was in extreme pain everywhere. I was legally given Vicodin and was popping a pill at least every 2 hours to help with the pain but still I was absolutely hating life. A couple days later I was able to get some weed illegally. It's difficult for me to describe how big of a difference it made. I was able to eat and my pain went from intolerable to manageable. I was able to take significantly less Vicodin which I very much feared becoming addicted to. Does that mean I think that we only should have access to weed for medical purposes? No. Why should we? As an adult I also enjoy weed for recreational uses and because I'm living in Colorado I am able to do so without being a criminal at the same time. The government here taxes it and regulates it as they should, people are able to partake in smoking without being persecuted but other than that life here is the same in whatever backwards state I'm assuming you live in where people have idiotic ideas about weed such as yourself. I'm not telling you you should be smoking it but I am telling you it is absolutely none of your business if I want to smoke. I don't drink or do any other drugs of any kind but I enjoy MJ because despite your dumb ideas it works. I don't care if it doesn't cure all.... it makes me happy. Do you have a problem with me doing something that makes me happy? I've never actually had snake oil but I'm betting it doesn't make me happy the way MJ does. And unlike you (I assume, but it seems safe to assume considering your clueless thoughts on the issue) I am not talking about something I have no experience with. I have decades of experience so I know what I'm talking about.
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  636. YuRM regarding, "it's clear video" It is clearly edited. Even if there is wrongdoing here, and I think their is, I wasn't talking about the video. Regarding, "don't be ridiculous" I was talking about the source and the only one being ridiculous is you if you do not accept the fact that they are proven frauds. Again, the source matters and that source if proven to be dogshit.
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  637. Beau regarding, "The report that they are frauds is fraud." LOL. From wiki, "The California Attorney General's Office granted O'Keefe and Giles limited immunity from prosecution in exchange for providing the full, unedited videotapes related to ACORN offices in California.[17] The AG's Report was released on April 1, 2010, concluding that the videos from ACORN offices in Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Bernardino had been "severely edited."[17] The report found there was no evidence of criminal conduct on the part of ACORN employees nor any evidence that any employee intended to aid or abet criminal conduct. It found that three employees had tried to deflect the couple's plans, told them ACORN could not offer them help on the grounds they wanted, and otherwise dealt with them appropriately. Such context was not reflected in O'Keefe's edited tapes. The AG's Report noted that "O'Keefe stated that he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist objectively reporting a story"." AKA he is a fraud.
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  638. YuRM regarding, "the wikileaks" You want to talk about wikileaks go ahead and use them. They are not discredited proven liars. They are source that has earned trust. O'Keefe is the boy that cried wolf. Regarding, "I'm not saying the source doesn't warrant some skepticism but it's ridiculous to dismiss everything because "source"" Trust is earned, not given.
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  639. Daniel regarding, "you're probably still mad at Russia for hacking the DNC instead of DNC corruption" Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups. There is no conclusive evidence that it was even Russia that did the hack. Again, I vet my sources and the DNC is not a reliable source either. The DNC is corrupt as fuck but that doesn't mean that anyone should be trusting O'Keefe and only morons make that type of leap in "logic."
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  640. The DNC can boo Sanders all they want. It only makes me like him more.
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  641. gray troll regarding, "I can't believe you did either" Yes. You are a troll. Get a life.
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  642. Coley regarding, "u shouldnt vote again honestly" Sorry. I will. Regarding, "he fooled u cause hes black" What kind of ridiculous statement is this? Do you understand how absurd it is? What do you base this on? Please don't answer. That is rhetorical. I don't actually care what you think. Regarding, "i told you so" I don't think so. I don't recall ever talking to you before this.
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  643. Coley regarding, "fine get fooled again" No like you. You are amazing, have never made a mistake and have never been fooled even if you are a fool. Regarding, "they never call out BLM for shit." If I actually cared what you think I'd ask what your problem with BLM is. I don't care what you think so please don't offer your thoughts. Regarding, "they think black people cant be racist." Of course they can. Regarding, "they think black people can define what is racist" I let the dictionary define things. That said I think you are ignoring the fact that blacks have a very unique perspective on racism that I think you lack. Regarding, "so i will say i told u so. i will gladly tell you." I can't say for sure that you are a racist although I do think you are suspect. I can say for certain that you obviously a douche-bag.
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  644. The only wasted vote is a vote for POS candidate who I don't want to win. If I were going to vote for the lesser of two evils I'd vote for Donald Fucking POS Trump so you remember that before you actually convince me to vote for a garbage candidate like your queen. It is a good thing for you I don't vote for lesser of two evils. I leave that to idiots like you.
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  645. Michael Duncecap regarding, "but you will waste a vote on some one who is polling at 1-2% and you think she has a chance to win." No. I don't think she has a chance to win. Voting isn't about trying to pick the winner and, again, only a mental midget would think it is. Voting is about expressing my values, priorities, and ethics. Jill Stein represents me and my interests. That is why I vote for her. I don't vote for either Trump or Hillary because neither of them represent me. I don't want either of them to be president. It really is not hard to understand unless you are a fucking moron. But everyone who isn't dumb as fuck already realizes you are a fucking moron when you say you are voting for a corrupt POS like Hillary Clinton. I'm going to leave with a quote you will certainly ignore, "If Johnson had been running all by himself, he would not have been acceptable to anyone. The only thing that made him acceptable to the world was that the shrewd capitalists, the shrewd imperialists, knew that the only way people would run toward the fox would be if you showed them a wolf. So they created a ghastly alternative. And it had the whole world, including people who call themselves Marxists, hoping that Johnson would beat Goldwater." Malcolm X (Side note, ironically Hillary Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl.") Malcolm X goes on to say, "I have to say this, those that claim to be enemies of the system were on their hands and knees waiting for Johnson to get elected because he is suppose to be a man of peace. And at that very moment Johnson had troops invading the Congo and south Vietnam. He even has troops in areas where other imperialists have withdrawn. Peace corps to Nigeria, mercenaries to the Congo." Good luck voting for the fox. At least you aren't voting for the wolf.
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  646. Irrational atheist, quotes are suppose to used when you say exactly what someone says. You are using them incorrectly. I will also add that your misquote is taken completely out of context. Jimmy says at 8:20, "So you are hearing a lot of people saying this is all about racism, Trumps about racism, Brexit is about racism. That is a very... overly simplistic view of what's happening..." I guess what I'm trying to say to you is pull your head out of your ass if you can. I doubt it thou. You sound like an idiot.
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  647. Bernie wants to bring them home.
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  648. @Badatallthis Stuff "Typically speaking I would say, nobody likes being lectured to randomly by people they don't know." Yup. Obviously. But that isn't going to stop me from preaching a message of peace to people who need to hear it even if they don't want to hear it. "It's a way of speaking down to someone" I'm very often condescending. The way to stop this is by not being stupid... like, for example, advocating for increased hostility with russia when this world NEEDS detante. " just like this brief one I have given you for example." LMFAO I was going to bring up your hypocrisy for you. The fact that you know you are being a hypocrite and doing it anyways really speaks for how intellectually bankrupt your "argument" is.
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  649.  @janetfromanotherplanet1301  Regarding, "you’re not going to get a good president that isn’t controlled in the US ever again." This just sounds like defeatist attitude to me and terrible rationale to not vote. Regarding, "Anyone campaigning can say anything" Yeah. But most don't campaign on committing war crimes. And if they do don't call their campaign decent. It really bothers me. Regarding, "you best believe someone’s holding a gun to their head" Let's say I agree with this, and I don't, some would do the right thing and risk the bullet. Find those people and support them. They aren't the ones campaigning on committing war crimes.
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  650.  @janetfromanotherplanet1301  Regarding JFK. Meh. Don't get me wrong he very well might have been worthy of that label had he lived longer. Sadly he didn't. Regarding Bobby. I think he was probably better. Regarding, "the US should ditch the two party system because Trump VS Hillary" There were plenty of good reasons that it should go long before this. That said Trump v Hillary was great further evidence of this. That said I think Jimmy is very, very, very wrong in his belief that Sanders should be forming his own party. I think Sanders plan for hostile takeover is the correct plan. The 2 major parties have done an excellent job at insulating themselves from their suck. The game is rigged from top to bottom. It's not like 3rd party candidates get a fair shake. It's not like the electoral college isn't a thing. If the party successfully fucks him over in the primary again I might change my mind. But as of now Sanders is doing the right thing.
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  651. jb regarding, "I mean regular honest people" Don't get me wrong, I wish we could as well obviously. It's just that I'm a cynic.
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  652.  @urrywest  "No respect." -rodney dangerfield
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  653. Steve regarding, ""better him than Hillary" might have some merit (because)..." My favorite part about Trump being president versus Hillary is that, because of it, there is hope for an actual progressive like Sanders becoming President in 2020. That said, all talk of who is better is ultimately irrelevant, mute, and pointless at this point because it no longer matters who would "have been better." Trump IS president. Period. Who would be better Trump or used toilet paper is now just as relevant a question... aka utterly meaningless. (that said I prefer the used TP) That said it does have a tiny, tiny bit of validity as a mental exercise but that is NEVER how it is brought up. The people who bring it up EXCLUSIVELY bring it up to try and justify and excuse Trump doing fucking terrible shit. To them it literally doesn't fucking matter what Trump does while in office. What do Trump supporters think about tax break blowjobs to the rich? He's better than Hillary. What do Trump supporters think of a Goldman Sachs cabinet? He's better than Hillary. Shit Pai as FCC chair? He's better than Hillary. He could whip his tiny orange dick out and rub it across their face and their response? He's better than Hillary. That is how it is brought up. ALWAYS. It is fucking infuriating, it is fucking sad, and I have no patience for it. So sorry for jumping over you for elaborating about it. You seem cool. Unlike Pandora Rice who, in all honesty, can lick my taint. It's better than Hillary afterall so it should be fine.
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  654. Town Drunk regarding, "Who got millions more votes?" If we had free and fair elections you would have a really good point. Seeing as how the primary was rigged as fuck you are dumb as fuck. Regarding, "Bernie lost fair and square" It takes a special kind of stupid to say something like that. You are dumb even by town drunk standards. There is no substantial difference between Hillary and Trump. There is also no substantial difference between Hillary supporters and Trump supporters... you are all fucking morons.
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  655.  @potatopoweredhamster9897  "the one and the only time." Just looking at him I'd think he has hairy legs. But he lies so much that when he says he does I start to think he doesn't.
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  656.  @potatopoweredhamster9897  I'm also willing to bet that cornpop isn't a bad dude.
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  657. "ex-Democrat supporters that have become so disgruntled with the party" That describes me.
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  658.  @peasant7214  "so jimmy dore is also confused about it?" Nope. He gets it. That's why he understands yang isn't good. Regarding, "I still dont see anyone who mentioned how Yang plans to pay for it though." Maybe go listen to yang himself. I recommend a video right here on youtube titled, "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" When asked how he would pay for it the first thing he offers is by gutting the current social safety net. That's how he wants to pay for UBI when any actual progressive would insist it only be put on top of the current system and paid for by the super rich and not by people on food stamps.
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  659.  @Robert-og3xx  Um? What? Actually nevermind, I'm quickly not caring what you "think."
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  660. He's going to call out your guy while they are in power. I hope you stick around for it.
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  661. I'd vote for jimmy dore!
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  662. Al gore won florida since you mentioned him.
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  663. Let the retarded smears of Sanders in the comment section commence.
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  664. Except they aren't. Did they lie about something? Oh wait they didn't.
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  665. Regarding, "a deep State script." So you just change the topic of your stupid smears. Regarding, "He straight folded." Yeah. The same way the Patriots folded in the SB. They fucking lost.
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  666. Why stop at 30 million since you are just making shit up? May as well claim more. Make it a cool billion why don't you.
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  667.  @Bike_Lion  "that didn't go through" And they do their best to make sure you don't know it didn't go through. They don't want debate, especially when it comes to certain topics.
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  668.  ezsticker6370  "yes, he did" Spoken like a true cultist.
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  669.  @mohegansun2439  Because I'm here talking about it like you are? I think you are a hypocrite.
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  670. @Melvin Deeply The member of the elite comedy community. Don't try comedy if you aren't a member too. /s
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  671. @Glen Q I couldn't look away. It was like watching a train wreck in real time.
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  672.  @DBJ345  We are about to enter a depression regardless of who is in the WH. What happens after biden? What happens after nothing fundamentally changes in a world that DESPERATELY needs change? How isn't that a recipe for disaster? How isn't that going to lead to trump 2.0 after the inevitable failure that is going to be a biden presidency? What's next?
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  673.  tw_bass  The only wasted votes are votes for terrible people who don't deserve to win.
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  674.  tw_bass  Regarding, "If Trump doesn't get the swamp drained the evil will always be in Gov. forever and ever." So I guess the evil is going to be there forever and ever. Trump filled his cabinet with goldman sachs swamp creatures. Please shut up. You are making everyone dumber.
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  675.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "why is trump evil?" He's corrupt, a liar, racist, sexist, stupid, a narcissist, entitled, ... literally everything everything about him is terrible. He's a war criminal. If Iran assassinated a US official it would rightly be called a war crime and terrorism. I mention this for a reason. That said it's not surprising. He literally ran on committing war crimes. "we have to take out their families." -orange clown
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  676.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "well your replies dont seem to be very principled." This should be fun... Regarding, "Failing to pick between the lesser of two evils could easily be viewed as supporting evil." So supporting the lesser EVIL is actually supporting good? Are we in the book 1984? Regarding, "The lack of an ideal philosopher king might not be a valid reason to not make a hard but obvious choice." The worst thing about people advocating for the lesser evils argument is that all their arguments can be used to justify supporting literally the second worst person in the world as long as their only perceived opponent is the worst person in the world. If all the stuff you are saying could be used to try and rationalize supporting hitler, and it can, then you should really rethink the things you are saying. Hitler is the lesser evil compared to the devil. So vote hitler. The lesser evil. And if you don't vote hitler then "Failing to pick between the lesser of two evils could easily be viewed as supporting evil." Nope. Supporting evil is supporting evil. Supporting good is supporting good. Supporting the "lesser" evil is still supporting evil. That's why evil is in the name.
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  677.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "he killed a terrorist leader" Let's say I agreed with this. So fucking what. GWB was a terrorist and war criminal in my opinion. That doesn't mean I can just assassinate him. And if Iran did it IS STILL terrorism and a war crime. Regarding, "strange how you care so much all of a sudden?" All of a sudden? You just spout nonsense. Regarding, "did you get that upset when previous president killed terrorists leaders?" There are rules. Was I mad when Bin laden was killed? No. I wasn't. But he also wasn't an official in a foreign government that we don't have a declaration of war with.
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  678.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "So far 0 new wars." Only because Iran showed more self restraint and sanity than Trump did. And you do realize we are running out of countries to invade right? Trump is a war criminal. Even if I thought he was better than biden that is a deal breaker.
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  679. Well that was how I took it and that is how I think about things. I voted for Jill Stein. But to me that was me supporting Jill Stein... not supporting the Green Party.
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  680. I have allegiance to progressives (as in people)... not parties.
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  681. He bashes republicans. You are an idiot.
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  682.  @TooMuchDramaInTheMilkyWay  Nope. Cornpop was a bad dude but biden and his hairy legs got em.
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  683.  @nickmolonlabe5780  I'm willing to bet Steves family members aren't POS while trump is.
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  684. Michael regarding, "nobody cares what you think" You don't understand why your comment is moronic beyond words do you? Let me try to explain it to you so that even a dipshit like yourself can understand... If you actually didn't care what I think then you wouldn't have bothered to respond. You say you don't care but you demonstrate that you actually do and are a liar... just like Trump.
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  685. Pisstrooper regarding, "All your evidence provided is overwhelming" I'm sorry I am not willing to provide you with an education. Even if I did I am confident it wouldn't do any good. Providing evidence to you is akin to providing evidence to my dog. That is to say it is a complete waste of time. If you don't already realize he is conman then there isn't something I'm going to be able to say to get through to you. You are just too fucking stupid.
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  686. You are why Trump loves the uneducated.
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  687. He's still a POS and doesn't magically become better because of other terrible people.
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  688. Harvey Weinstein, although not primarily a political figure, is a political figure who is directly linked to many powerful politicians. The same cannot be said of Louis CK. Weinstein was also the beginning of the flood gates opening. CK is not and is instead fallout from Weinstein.
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  689. Regarding, "Kim Kardashian and Lady Gaga" They are famous and you are comparing them to a guy nobody had heard of until it came out that he was sick. Apples and oranges. Regarding, "Millions of people donate to political campaigns." Yes. Do you really not understand the difference between those people and the people who raise millions of dollars... enough to get their picture taken with Hillary and others? I've donated to political campaigns. I've never had my picture taken with a politician much less a politician as powerful as Clinton. Regarding, "All rich people do" Not all of them but many of them. We are an oligarchy afterall. Regarding, "That's not why Jimmy is avoiding discussing CK." You go ahead and think whatever you want then. I'm done caring about this conversation and not sure why I ever did. Peace.
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  690. "merit." That is not possible for that position. Lying is the job description.
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  691. Jimmy never said that. Which means you are just lying and smearing. But at least I don't think it's McCarthyite.
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  692. Ug. I wish I didn't have to keep having to say this. The DNC does want to win. Really. They do. It's just not what is most important to them. Their number one priority is maintaining the status quo and making sure nothing fundamentally changes. It's just that when they do this it looks like they are trying to lose on purpose. But they aren't and it's not really that debatable really.
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  693. I think it was more like 80 billion.
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  694. Tiffany regarding, "it's hard for them to be effective." All third parties are going to be plagued by this problem. The major parties have seen to it. The entire game is rigged, not just the major parties internally.
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  695. jewelry regarding, "yet to find a person more worthy of listening to politically than Bernie Sanders" He has done more to advance the progressive agenda than anyone else on Earth. Some are mad he hasn't been able to do it all but he can't. He is fighting the entire establishment. He is fighting uphill against a system rigged specifically to prevent people like him from winning. Sadly things are not going to change overnight at a time when we desperately need change fast. Regarding, "I agree with Bernie that working on the democratic party at this particular time is a better plan than abandoning it" I agree with this but I think the framing is important. I don't think "working on the democratic party" is as accurate and compelling as "taking over the democratic party." Too many people are already paranoid about working with the party. And that is not what I think the strategy is. It is about taking over the party and forcing the party to do what we want the same way the corporate dems are forcing the party to currently suck. It is not about coexisting. But we do agree on everything and don't sell your writing short. I have no trouble understanding your points.
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  696. Regarding, "I can typo and bad grammar with the best of 'em" A person could make typos and use bad grammar and still be better at getting their message across than someone with perfect spelling and grammar. Peace. :)
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  697. danny regarding, "I don't pretend to know why he didn't make it a "Yuge" issue." Like I've pointed out it is not a winning issue. If he made it a yuge issue like you wish he would have what do you think the result would have been? What did he stand to gain? Because so far as I can tell the only thing that would have been gained is that a few people might have been woke. And at what cost? Because I am confident that it would have very much hurt him and his cause in the long run. Sanders cares first and foremost about policy and think he was correct to not sacrifice his ability to affect policy going forward to talk about things people should already realize. It isn't as if he can offer unique information on the topic. Let me try to explain it from my perspective. I think votes were flipped. I think that exit polls were off waaayyy too much compared to election results. But I talk about it as little as I can. It just isn't a winning topic. Sure the people that agree with me agree with me but the people that don't already agree with me aren't going to be persuaded and are are going to start dismissing everything else I have to say. And there are other things that I want to say and be heard. I'm not willing to sacrifice all the other topics I want to talk about to try and convince people of something they are not going to be convinced by. And most of the public isn't willing to even consider the possibility that their "great democracy" is a fucking joke. Many can't even consider the possibility much less look at the evidence with an open mind. Rather they just shut you out and that would have happened to Sanders if he pressed this. In part because he is wise enough to pick his battles and didn't do what you wanted on this, he is the most popular politician in the country and in a better position to get the policy he and we all want. This simply would not be the case if he did what you wanted. It isn't a winning topic. Especially coming from a person who in a position of great bias. Americans just consider it whining because Americans are mostly sheep. Since I am talking about a topic that I generally consider taboo... http://trustvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/trust-vote.png http://www.electoralsystemincrisis.org/ https://www.nationofchange.org/2016/07/10/new-stanford-study-shows-serious-voting-discrepancies-favor-clinton/
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  698. danny regarding, "The nomination which he won." That only makes sense if there was actually something he could have done to prove it. There isn't. There was no smoking gun at a macro level the same way there was a smoking gun in the bronx where voters were purged. And even if there was a smoking gun it isn't Bernie Sanders responsibility to be convincing people he got fucked over. That is what lawyers are for. You have as much of a right to make a case as Sanders because it was your vote. You are simply asking him to do the impossible. Regarding, "he (and more importantly, WE) sure didn’t gain anything by his rolling over." First off I obviously disagree with the framing that he "rolled over." But there is a cliche that is cliche for a reason. "Live to fight another day," is a thing for a reason. Falling on his sword for a battle that couldn't be won makes no sense. Regarding, "Then, after acknowledging that you, too believe the DNC/HRC committed election fraud, you write, “But I talk about it as little as I can.”" Yes I did. Did you bother to read anything else I wrote? I'm a fucking nobody who doesn't like to talk about that topic because it doesn't do jack fucking shit. And as much as I think there is evidence of election fraud I also concede that there is no smoking gun. There is only a good case build upon circumstantial evidence. And even thou I'm NO ONE I don't like to talk about it because I know what happens when I do... people shut me out and dismiss me as a conspiracy theorist. But you want Bernie Sanders to give the establishment that type of weapon to attack him? What could possibly go wrong with that plan other than losing the most credible progressive we have and giving the establishment a weapon to attack his cause forever? Regarding, "You’re falling for the “Americans are idiots” arrogance" Am I now? BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE FUCKING MORONS. As evidence of this I cite the percentage of people who voted for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton for president compared to the percentage of Americans who voted for a person with a soul for president. If I were going to defend those morons I would cite the fact that lots and lots of them are just too busy trying to stay afloat and pay their bills to realize how much they are getting fucked over and I would also cite the fact that the corporate media essentially brainwashes the population but I still think that in general we are a country of sheep. Regarding, "already KNOW the entire Establishment System is RIGGED" So they know it is rigged and they vote for the establishment? That is suppose to convince me they are not idiots? Sorry but I don't find that argument very compelling. Regarding, "Calling out that rigging, would have served to affirm what people already believed" There is yuge difference between believing the system is rigged and believing in election fraud. Rigging has been proven. Election fraud has not. You are conflating the two and acting if they are the same. Regarding, "Bernie and Jane) insisted they were crazy to believe" What evidence to you cite to justify saying Bernie and Jane insisted they were crazy to believe? Because I'm pretty sure this is bullshit even if you think they didn't do enough to talk about election fraud. Regarding, "Refusing to LOUDLY demand legitimate elections" Again you are conflating completely different things and acting as if they are the same. There is no reason to think Sanders doesn't demand legitimate elections. What you are actually saying is that Sanders didn't accuse them of election fraud. Say that. Don't twist words and say something completely different. Regarding, "Sanders still has the best reputation amongst any serving politician" Only because he didn't chose your plan of action. Thankfully he didn't squander this on a battle that couldn't be won. Or do you have a smoking gun that proves election fraud? Because if you do then you should be using it and taking it to a lawyer. But you don't. And neither did Sanders. Regarding, "Democratic Party is irreparable, as they have proven since the 2016 election." The "democratic" party is a fucking label. A label that is currently stuck to a shit sandwich. But if you can get rid of the shit sandwich it is just a word. I would also like to add that the party has been a fucking dumpster fire for long time before 2016. Regarding, "Pretending, wishing, hoping reality were different than it is will not move us forward." Clearly we have a different idea of what reality is. Because I'm pretty sure I live in a world where Sanders bitching about a less than concrete case of election fraud accomplishes nothing other than destroying him and his cause. And you pretending, wishing, and hoping that if only Sanders would have cried to Diane Sawyer about how he was fucked over it would have made a world of difference, the DNC would have said they were sorry and given him the nomination simply isn't the world I live in.
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  699. danny regarding, "I did expect him to stand before those "super delegates" and make the case for why they should vote for him to BEAT Trump rather than take a chance with HRC" What world do you live in where the superdelegates were going to change their mind? And aren't we the side that is suppose to think superdelegates are an abomination to the system? Aren't we the side that is trying to make the case that they should be gotten rid of completely? Are you intentionally trying to make Sanders look like a hypocrite? The only reason he can credibly make a case they need to be gotten rid of is because he didn't try to use them to usurp the will of the voters. And even if he tried I promise you it wasn't going to do any fucking good. Regarding, "Do you remember the greeting he got at the Convention" Yes I do. Only because he agreed to endorse Hillary before the convention so that they would allow him in the building. All of the peasants had voted. She had more pledged delegates than him. He "lost." He endorsed the winner of the primary like he agreed to when entering the race. All the whining and bitching wasn't going to change anything.
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  700. danny regarding, "IF those "super delegates" had told Sanders and us to fuck off, then I would have no ill feelings towards Sanders." Like 400 or 500 superdelegates came out to support Hillary before a single peasant was allowed to vote. I assure you they were telling you to fuck off then. But you think they were going to flip their allegiance after Hillary "won" more pledged delegates? You can't be serious. I assure you that you are the one being ridiculous. Am I right to assume then that you are in favor of superdelegates? Or are you just a hypocrite?
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  701.  @levanmikadze4748  "did you read my comments" Yeah. It's asinine to call him a dem.
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  702.  @levanmikadze4748  "you are just being stubborn on your take," Go open a dictionary. Note that it defines republican to mean: "a member or supporter of the Republican Party." That's what it means. And being a democrat means, "a member or supporter of Democratic Party." "if Biden switched his party affiliation to Republican, I have to support him to be a republican.... That's just silly" That's not what I'm saying. Being a republicans doesn't mean you support all republican candidates. It means you support THE PARTY. It means you are a member of THE PARTY.
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  703.  @levanmikadze4748  "I support those who share my political views and would fight for them ." We all do that. It's about if you support THE PARTY or not.
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  704.  @levanmikadze4748  If I go out and vote for a dem or a republican it doesn't mean I'm a dem or a republican. I'm only that if I support THE PARTY.
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  705.  @bcon2608  I legit can't take you seriously enough to keep responding to you. Keep advocating for the status quo... just like big pharma is lobbying for. You are literally on the side of the lobbyist money you rail against.
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  706.  @levanmikadze4748  "you view it as blind support" Nope. It's just support. Blind support would be supporting all their candidates. "dictionary" It gives you the definition for the words you are using because you are using them wrong.
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  707.  @tynao2029  "the USA has two major political parties on "the Left"." This is really dumb even by internet comment section standards.
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  708.  @warfossil  In the age of information ignorance like yours is a choice. I suggest the article titled, "Donald Trump Is Dropping Bombs at Unprecedented Levels" if you are actually interested in the topic which I suspect you are not.
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  709.  @warfossil  "If you're going to accuse then have you evidence in order." In what sort of world do you need proof that the trump administration was dropping lots of bombs? Are you for real? That's like needing evidence the sky is blue. Just admit you are deeply unserious. Also... I have provided evidence... not that you care.
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  710.  @brucecampbell6578  "zero US casualties in Afghanistan during his reign" Citation required. No possible way this is true.
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  711.  @scottwaters998  "Go do something else instead of wasting everybody's time." They said not offering any evidence whatsoever, just wasting everyone's time.
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  712.  @SoBayK80  "means Trump used 20 percent less munitions than predecessor" Trump did that in only half the year. He still had august, sep, oct, nov, and dec to pass obama. Do you think he didn't?
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  713.  @brucecampbell6578  "correcting me" How on earth was that ever something you got wrong in the first place?
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  714.  @SN00PICUS  "So you don't actually know if he dropped or ordered any bombs dropped" You must be trolling right?
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  715.  @brucecampbell6578  "no one but my own confusion" So you just made it up? It's not even bad info you got elsewhere? That seems plausible. "Do you think I should delete my false comment or just leave it be?" When I make mistakes I fix them. Aka I edit them to add a correction. You do you.
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  716.  @brucecampbell6578  "I am trying to fix my mistake." Like I said if I did something like that I will edit the original comment to include some kind of correction. "I offer no rationalizations." Fair enough. Everyone makes mistakes but not everyone can admit them. Good on you for admitting it. Peace.
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  717. Not to me. But I have a soul and don't get rich off of war.
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  718. Some of you haven't signed the petition yet. Do it! Force the vote!
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  719. We are still in like 9 countries right? So why do you think less civilians have been killed under him?
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  720. You are an idiot if you think they are radical leftists. Sincerely, an actual radical leftist.
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  721. I'm fine but, as always, could be better but thanks for asking. Try not to take my comments seriously. I thought it was pretty clear they were jokes.
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  722.  @sonjakozman1699  Tell you what I'm going to write a few comments to you and suspect that at least one will be shadowbanned. You still might be able to read it in your notifications but if it's being shadowbanned you won't be able to see the comment if you look at the thread while you are signed out...
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  723.  @sonjakozman1699  "banging on about shadow banning comments." Sorry not sorry for pointing out how when you said, "I think it's a bug..." you have no clue what you were talking about.
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  724. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! (breathe) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha!
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  725.  @cheesys8706  They would all cheat. But rigging a national election is not like rigging a party primary. I have evidence of cheating in the primary. Do you have evidence of cheating in the general?
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  726.  @cheesys8706  "Its actually a little easier for the general," What nonsense. "you would only have to do it in a couple of swing states opposed to the primary" And all you need to know is exactly which states you need ahead of time because you know the election results a head of time. And all you need to do is overcome an actual opposition party with real oversight over what you are you doing. This is like rigging a football game on neutral turf. Rigging a primary is like rigging a home game where you picked the refs. "Yes I do have evidence, but I'm not going to risk my account posting about it." That's very convenient for you. I'm going to go ahead and not risk believing your BS then.
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  727. Agreed. Bill Maher wants us to forget the fact the primary was rigged because the election is over and we need to move on but RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA is totally different.
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  728.  @patrickmclean9796  To be fair it's not entirely the peasants fault. They are brainwashed with propaganda 24/7 because it works.
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  729. Regarding, "by using the media to black out bernie coverage" There is no way that tactic will be as successful in 2020. In 2016 they were effectively able to act like he was pie in the sky and fringe. In 2020 will enter as the frontrunner. Regarding, "they are not above rigging the election again." No they are not. I fully expect the game to be rigged from start to finish. But ultimately I suspect there will not be enough dirty tricks in their playbook to successfully fuck him over in 2020 the same way they did in 2016. The game, although still rigged, has changed.
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  730.  @northernpunx1978  Did the OP say "just joe biden" or are you strawmanning?
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  731.  @2727rogers  I think JFK might have been good if he wasn't murdered by the CIA.
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  732. Yup. He went from being mad that Sanders was going to back the "democratic" candidate (like he needed to to run as a dem) to saying his supporters are why Hillary lost. If that endorsement were as important as he wanted to pretend then Trump wouldn't have won.
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  733. It is the best way to get his message out and if you doubt this examine the coverage given to Jill Stein. Running in the party is the only way to reform the party. The EC and all the other ways the system is rigged make it all but impossible for a 3rd party candidate to win at the national level. Millions of brainwashed sheep will be voting for the democrat in the presidential election regardless of the persons name and it makes sense to try to get those votes. It would split left leaning thinkers. All of these are reasonable answers to what I think is a rather obvious question. Is it fair? Nope. But then again neither is trying to run as a 3rd party candidate.
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  734.  @kevinm3751  Don't get me wrong I'm glad that matt o isn't ignorant and made this video. But for most of the peasants who are just busy trying to put food on the plate there really isn't that much they can really do to fight the establishment. But for those that can please go for it.
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  735.  @mustbtrouble  4 replies but I can only see 3
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  736.  @alicee2952  "it’s spam" It's not that. They are shadowbanning comments.
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  737.  @NPC-bs3pm  Hopefully these might show in your notifications at least and I'm even going to go out of my way to try and get past the shadowbanning, more people have di ed of cov id during biden com pared to tru mp.
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  738.  @NPC-bs3pm  There has been more spend ing for the mili tary dur ing bide n comp ared to tr ump.
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  739.  @NPC-bs3pm  I got 2 out of those 3 to comments to show. That's pretty good.
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  740.  @NPC-bs3pm  "on certain subjects" FYI the comment that didn't get through dealt with the topic of "forcing people out of the country," starts with a "d."
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  741.  @NPC-bs3pm  "+port" Yeah.... they CRUSH all speech on that topic. Youtube has quickly become an all but useless forum for debate. And it's by design.
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  742. lowarail regarding, "he played the game" Yeah... he did. And we are better for it. Or would you rather the "democratic" party not needed rig the primary? In short stop being a fucking moron.
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  743. JAYJAY regarding, "3%" I am pretty positive it's 5 percent. Regarding, "If the Democratic Party runs Bernie I will come back ." So are you just hoping he is able to win the primary without you? Or are you going to try to help him win the primary? Regarding, "But the choice between dems and republican is no choice ." You need to make a distinction between corporate dems and progressives working inside the party to try to change things, like justice democrats and Sanders. I love the Green party but they are rightfully plan B. Plan A is hostile takeover of the "democratic" party. We could use your help. And if they succeed in getting an establishment shill as their nominee I will be right beside you supporting the green party candidate, just like 2016.
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  744. JAYJAY regarding, "As for Bernie I wish he would run but I am starting to wonder ." If I were a gambling man, and I am a gambling man, I would bet the house he runs assuming something crazy doesn't happen between now and then. And even if he doesn't then there should be a progressive option to support like Tulsi Gabbard. Regarding, "I will vote and donate for any progressive that I can" Excellent. Supporting progressives is the way to go.
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  745. M M regarding, "Last time I checked, it was the republican party that passed the tax cut for the 1%" Since we are seemingly just spouting facts irrelevant to the conversation at hand... Last time I checked, it was Obama that made the Bush tax cuts permanent.
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  746. It's never a waste of time to call out frauds and point out their tactics.
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  747. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zZxBNRTkd4
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  748. Meh. At this point I'm not going to even give them the views to tell them they suck.
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  749. You don't vote for parties. You vote for people.
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  750. You are correct to be pissed at our political system and pissed at the major parties but your tactics are fucking terrible to get the change you want. I'm not saying the party can be saved and reformed. It might not be. But I'm going to at least fight for it as much as I possibly can to know for sure. You know why they recently purged progressives from the party? Because there were progressives to be purged. And corporate dems can be purged in exactly the same way but to do it we need to win. And you know why they purge voter rolls and rig the game? Because they know how fucking important the primary is unlike you it seems. There are all sorts of fucked up problems. At least make them take your vote from you. Don't do it for them. That is exactly what they want. They want you to quit fighting. And if you want to vote for a 3rd party candidate in the general then you go right ahead. You don't owe them jack fucking shit at that point if you don't want. But realize that when you are voting you are voting for a person, not a party. I support Sanders because I believe in him. I'd vote for him if he were a dem, republican, green, independent, martian or other. The person is forever more important than a party label. If you don't like him then fine. But don't say you would vote for him if he were a green then. Then don't vote for him period.
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  751. Nobody wants to be like Cenk.
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  752. Smears are lies. Aaron never said anything that wasn't true about your clown.
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  753. Agreed. At least send someone who doesn't make up for tiny hands and tiny cheeto dick by shaking hands like a fucking psycho.
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  754. Do you not have the internet? Next time do your own fucking research. http://opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html
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  755. Actually doing your own research is where you went wrong. Alex Jones is not a reliable source of information.
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  756. There is no mass immigration so your welcome I guess.
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  757.  @markzuckergecko621  "you can have a tank." LMFAO Can I have nukes too in your fictitious world?
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  758.  @markzuckergecko621  "tell me what exactly you think that means?" Guns that are seemingly made for hunting humans.
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  759.  Rip Cord  "Only by fools" This is funny from people who think they are for self defense.
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  760.  Rip Cord  "I’m stating that the AR doesn’t mean assault weapon," Neat. I've never said, "ar means assault rifle." I'm just pointing out that that's what people call those types of guns because that's what they are designed for. They are not designed for "self-defense." There are guns that are made for that. And they are NOT the guns we are talking about. But good luck with your deflection.
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  761.  @markzuckergecko621  "WTF does that mean?" It's not going to be good for hunting deer. Hope that helps.
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  762.  @skippy9273  "humans can simple dodge bullets from any other gun" LMFAO Did I say this? It must be easier to strawman than address what I actually say.
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  763.  Rip Cord  "do you own any guns" Nope.
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  764.  Rip Cord  "so you’re not even an American" LMFAO Where do you get this? Why am I even talking to you?
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  765.  @skippy9273  "the propagandist definition of assault rifle..." I even gave you my own idea of what it means to me. Maybe address that. To me it's a gun that is not going to be good for hunting deer. They are guns designed for hunting humans.
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  766.  @skippy9273  "there's nothing to address." You really don't think that when gun manufactures design guns they don't have a purpose for them when doing it? Or are you just pretending to not get it?
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  767.  @markzuckergecko621  "be more specific" You too... do you really not think that when gun manufactures are making guns they have a purpose for them in mind? They certainly do. Some are made for hunting humans whether they or you will admit it.
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  768.  @skippy9273  "Pistols on the other hand, are good for nothing but people." Pistols are good for self defense. They are not good if you want to kill more bullets than the gun holds.
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  769.  @markzuckergecko621  "of course they do" LMFAO "I'm asking YOU" Why wouldn't you ask them? The people actually making guns designed to kill people? And not me? A laymen? "I want to see if you actually know what you're talking about" I'm not an expert and never claimed to be. But I'm smart enough to know that gun companies make guns designed for hunting humans while you don't seem to get it until pressed.
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  770.  @markzuckergecko621  "t's realllllly funny watching you desperately try to dig out of it." You conceded the entire argument... "of course they do," That was my whole point. That's what I'm trying to stop.
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  771.  @skippy9273  "it's not that I don't understand the purpose of guns" LMFAO "Guns are meant to kill things." Yup. We agree on this. "Some guns are better..." LMFAO Again... my point... some guns are better at some things. "they all ultimately have the same purpose" LMFAO Some guns "purpose" is self defense." That's why they were designed how they are. Some guns "purpose" are to kill lots of people. That's how they are designed. It's not the same. They are different for a reason and to claim otherwise is silly.
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  772.  @skippy9273  "self defense and killing people are the same thing." Do you really not understand that not all killing people is self defense? I have better things to do than tell you the obvious ways they are different.
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  773.  @skippy9273  You: "self defense and killing people are the same thing." Also you: "You're just making up definitions" Very funny.
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  774.  @markzuckergecko621  "doesn't care whether it's legal to have a gun in the first place" But if we care if it's legal for them or not then we, as in society, have a chance to stop them from getting a gun BEFORE they try to murder. "people have the right to defend themselves from potential murderers" Yeah. Never said you don't. But if the time comes you would be best off having a gun that was designed for self defense right? Not if you were commando and gun shopping after you broke into the store right?
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  775.  @markzuckergecko621  "homicide and killing are not the same thing" Thanks. Neither are, "self defense and killing people." "that's why self defense exists in legal terms." Self defense exists in legal terms because people understand the difference between it and all examples of "killing people." Because they aren't actually the same thing. And I shouldn't have to explain this.
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  776. Clearly both
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  777. He was tested. The results weren't what I would have hoped.
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  778.  Cherry  Sometimes the world is a better place without some people. Trump is one of those people. Biden is another.
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  779. We tried but the game was rigged before they even started playing.
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  780. Actually they increased it to 700 billion per year for the department of offense.
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  781. I am confused.... will there be no cost controls or will there be death panels? You fucking idiots can't even decide the best way to smear.
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  782. were regarding, "That's why it's so heartbreaking to see this." To see what? Sanders acknowledge reality? Let's not pretend the game isn't rigged from top to bottom against 3rd parties shall we? Let's not pretend that the electoral college doesn't make a 3rd party candidate winning the general virtually impossible shall we? And we need to win. For the country and, if nothing else, to reform the party from the inside. As much as you want to just hope the party implodes the sad fact of the matter is that they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. That's the reality. Try not to lie to yourself about it.
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  783. Eric regarding, "is bernie really a progressive?" I certainly think he is and as evidence I cite him fighting for progressive causes his entire life. Regarding, "look at him supporting bill clinton after NAFTA and welfare reform." Do you mean that you disagree with a guy who has been around forever on something? Wow. So do I even. Shit I don't even agree with myself when it comes to the past as my opinion on some things has changed over time. Regarding, "Both Chris Hedges and Ralph Nader thought Bernie was a fake progressive when he first started running in 2015, and I trust their judgement" I love both Hedges and Nader but ultimately I don't let them make up my mind for me and neither should you.
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  784. Eric regarding, "Bernie Sanders wants to work within the Democratic party platform, and that alone makes him not a progressive." I envy your ability to think everything is so simplistic and black and white. I guess I too am not a "progressive" despite my own thinking on the matter because I want a hostile takeover of the party. I guess justice democrats are not progressive then. Regarding, "The Democratic Party is part of the system, the system that which..." I don't mean to rain on your parade but the only way to try and fix things is to work in the system. Even if you smashed everything to the ground and started to start fresh that fresh start would occur "in the system." Regarding, "You think a capitalistic system has any regard for humanity?" I think regulated capitalism (unlike the current capitalism we have that has run amok) is just great for almost everything. There is no better system when it comes to selling cars and computers as long as the government is doing their job making sure the playing field is level. That said there are exceptions. There is no place for capitalism when it comes to health care, war, education, and prisons. Those are areas where people should not be allowed to get filthy rich. Regarding, "And Bernie Sanders is part of the system." Which makes logical sense if you are trying to change said system. Regarding, "I think there is nothing but doom for us in the future." If we are doomed it isn't going to be because of capitalism. It will be because money in politics is fucking everything up from top to bottom. All problems are all but impossible to solve because our politicians are bought and paid for. They are not the independent arbitrators of the system like they are suppose to be... they are the ones tipping all the scales.
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  785. Mydirty regarding, "And then they promptly turned tail and voted for the corporate warmonger." I guess him denying reality and pretending he hadn't lost the fight makes more sense to some. Regarding, "Bernie told you to jump off a cliff, would you do that as well?" I had no trouble voting for Jill Stein in 2016 in a swing state. Does that answer your question? Regarding, "He's not running!" I suspect if you actually believed this you wouldn't be bothering to trash him. Your comment reminds me of the shit Hillary Correct the Record would say. Just mindless bullshit completely devoid of substance.
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  786. payton regarding, "You seem mentally impaired based on that statement . " Speaking of comments totally devoid of substance that Correct the Record would say we have payton.
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  787. Eric regarding, "What happens when people don't want to admit capitalism is the problem? They smear you of course." Um... what? You might want to consider that America is the richest nation in the history of the world in part because of capitalism. You also might want to consider that the problems with capitalism in this country aren't because it's innately evil but because our politicians are bought off like I've already stated.
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  788. TC regarding, "Stay classy." I try but fail at this quite often, especially when I think the person I'm addressing is disingenuous. Regarding, "The question i have for all these ppl screaming about 3rd party how many support the greens?" I've never understood the notion that we need to create a progressive party. The green party is already what they want to create. And they don't succeed because the entire system is rigged. A new party does nothing to address that fundamental problem. Regarding, "Cenk and Kyle created JD." Justice democrats were an amazing idea. Especially in a world where everyone feels the need to compare and contrast JDs really show the difference between real and fake progressives. Regarding, "Why is it all he does is whine?" I love Jimmy and there is a lot to whine about but that doesn't mean I agree with him on everything. Mostly I just disagree with his take with the value of trying to takeover the party from the inside. And even if I disagree with what Jimmy considers solutions there is great value in his shining a light on the many things that suck about the system that the corporate media won't touch with a ten foot pole.
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  789. Eric regarding, "is not a justification for capitalism." Sorry if you have a problem accepting the fact that wealth is important even if it is hardly everything. Regarding, "France was a dominate power because of Louis XIV, you think because of that the French didn't overthrow their monarch?" Your point is lost on me. I'd ask you to elaborate but honestly don't care and think whatever your point is it isn't good. Regarding, "capitalism is innately evil" No. It isn't. And when you demonize and economic system as "innately evil" you make those words utterly meaningless when talking about things that are innately evil like torture. Regarding, "because it is a system that has no regard for sustainability or human survival" Sure it does. If everyone is dead then there is no ability to create wealth. Regarding, "it has no mechanism to check itself from destruction," There is a reason I advocate for REGULATED capitalism and trash capitalism run amok. I'd address the rest of your comment but I'm tired and off to bed. Please forgive me.
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  790. He didn't vote... it was effectively a no vote.
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  791. Wilson regarding, "I don't accept that it's "effectively" a no-vote. It is effectively a no vote. The number of no votes this gets is fucking meaningless. The only thing that matter is the number of yes votes it gets. You are acting as if he voted yes. He didn't and had he voted no there would have been ZERO fucking difference in whether or not this passed. No doubt Sanders will be asked about this. If he doesn't say that he was against it at that time then you can whine and bitch if you want but in the meantime stop acting like he said yes because, again, the bottom line is that all that really fucking matters is how many yes votes it got and Sanders DID NOT VOTE YES.
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  792. L Wilson regarding, "he needed to take a stand on." Here.... it's all of 50 fucking seconds and there is plenty more out there showing he has taken a stand on this... but you go ahead and pretend like he voted yes if you want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDaliL71JeU
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  793. All no votes don't matter. They are meaningless and are only symbolic. The only thing that matters are yes votes.
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  794. You should care about the values a person preaches and lives by more than the color of their collar.
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  795. She doesn't care what he has to say. She only cares to let everyone know what she thinks.
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  796. It only sounds that bad because she knows her position is wrong.
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  797. Trump also sold out and showed his true colors long ago.
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  798. He is an independent.
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  799. "same as our war culture" The MIC is listening to rap music? That's why they love war?
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  800.  @coolcorey13755  Some clearly do. Have you seen his simp army here?
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  801. tech maybe I am a simpleton because I am lost reading that.
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  802. Thank you Bernie Sanders for fighting the war of ideas and winning.
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  803.  @kski5432  "the 1st can also be infringed" Sure enough, my original response to you is being shadowbanned. The first is already being infringed. You should focus on that.
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  804. Lost on purpose? She would have done literally anything to win.
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  805. He's doing all the wrong things. Literally the only thing that he is good on is UBI and even that is as bad is at can get coming from him as he wants to pay for it regressively as hell.
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  806. You don't "got it."
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  807.  @angrylefty7953  I'm going to include my bank account information and password just to be safe.
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  808. "conversion to MAGA" Nowhere does he ever say anything positive about trump. You are just deeply unserious.
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  809. She is a corporate shill who is opposed to M4A.
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  810.  @TheManOnTheRail  Regarding, "Is Biden too? Opposed?" Joe Biden was asked, "Let’s flash forward — you are president. Bernie Sanders is still active in the Senate. He manages to get Medicare for All through the Senate in some compromise version, the Elizabeth Warren version or other version. Nancy Pelosi gets a version of it through the House of Representatives. It comes to your desk. Do you veto it?" Joe Biden's response, "I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now." He would veto m4a if he got the chance.
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  811. Term limits is not a solution. Money out of politics is an actual solution.
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  812. Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, the other biden, david sirota...
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  813. "Yet old Jimmy will vote left down the ticket." What the actual fuck are you talking about? This is simply not true. "Waste of time and air due to the source" This is funny considering you are spreading blatant and obvious lies. In this very video at the 11:00 minute mark, "there's no point in ever voting for a democrat again." You should be embarrassed.
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  814.  @MediaBuster  Yup. Always.
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  815. It's not their stupid that has me terrified... it's their evil.
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  816. If you think this is violence you should watch a ryan grim video. I did and my manhood fell off.
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  817. It isn't about passing it now. It is about getting politicians on the record so we can vote out the ones who don't support it and get politicians who do. It is about gaining support for it. It is about having the issue talked about. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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  818. Regarding, "good luck with that" Thanks.
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  819. Forgery? Stop watching so much Alex Jones. That is batshit crazy.
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  820. Anne your tinfoil hat is on too tight.
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  821. Sorry but I feel no need to justify your bullshit with anything serious. Namecalling is not an argument but it is called for here.
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  822. Shouldn't you be digging a bunker in the middle of nowhere and stockpiling guns and bottled water?
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  823. I'm pretty sure I could spend every hour of every day for the rest of my life telling you why your crap is obviously dumb but I'm not willing to invest the time. Obama's birth was announce in a Hawaiian newspaper for fucks sake but you really need me to give you arguments why you saying his BC is not a forgery? Nah... I will be lazy and just call you names because you deserve it for thinking stupid things and worse... spreading your idiotic ideas to others. https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser I'm sorry but that is all the work I'm doing to tell you why your idea is moronic. Saying stupid things is much easier than giving good reasons why those stupid ideas are stupid. I guess I am lazy.
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  824. Anne regarding, "In other words you are not interested in finding truth" See. This is what I'm talking about. I could spend the rest of my life on this bullshit and wasn't looking to get started but here I am.... The FACT of the matter is that Obama was born in Hawaii and people who suggest otherwise are fucking idiots. There simply is no good reason for it to have been lied about at the time. The establishment had their front runner at the time. It was Hillary Clinton's turn. They didn't need Obama. They didn't need to conspire to pretend he was born in the US (as if he wasn't). And it completely discredits everything else you say when you say such an idiotic, common sense defying BS conspiracy theory. I could even get on board with bitching about "800 thousand are dead with 5 million displaced because of his illegal regime changes" but I am completely lost because of you saying his BC was forged is so utterly fucking moronic. Regarding, "I do not care where the man was born" If that were actually true you wouldn't also say things like, "the birth certificate given was a forgery" in your original post. Again you are saying something that just doesn't make any fucking logical sense. Regarding, "Weapons of Mass Destruction was also in the Hawaiian newspaper but I am sure they got that right wink?" Do you really not understand why this statement is beyond stupid? You are comparing propaganda to a FUCKING BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT. Or maybe that newspaper was just conspiring all that time ago to put it in their newspaper because of the long play. Obama was just being scripted all that time ago knowing he was going to be running for president in 2008. You say some things I could agree with but you do yourself, your cause, and honesty a disservice when you say completely batshit crazy things that make no MFing sense and you really hurt the cause of pointing out corruption by giving the other side ability to point at your batshit crap and allowing them to accurately portray them as fucking nuts because when you say things like Obamas BC was forged you are saying something that is fucking nuts.
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  825. Let's not conflate defensive war and wars of aggression and pretend they are the same thing. They are not. Killing in self defense is not wrong. That is the exception to the rule.
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  826. Regarding, "doesn’t get any more honest than trump" That is either great sarcarm or you are one of the dumbest human beings on the planet.
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  827. Just like Bernie? He isn't a puppet for the corporations. Trump is garbage. Please stop saying silly things.
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  828. At least the US still exports something I guess.
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  829.  M G  I mean you did give your own idiotic comment a thumbs up so you must really be onto something.
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  830.  M G  Did you know that typing in all caps is a sign of mental illness? And that isn't the only reason you should seek psychiatric help.
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  831.  @AnndenMark  Regarding, "I will predict Biden, then Harris, beats them both in that regard." At least that would mean that the people following them wouldn't be. I don't doubt that biden and harris are fondly remembered by many just because they aren't orange clowns or whatever follows the upcoming disaster that is going to be the biden administration. Regarding, "I will hold to hope I am wrong." Same. The bar is so low yet they never pleasantly surprise me.
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  832. Yeah, there is no need for nuance thinks morons. Even the guy who is getting fucked over in the audio, who is exposing their bullshit, like Sanders, are all the same.
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  833. It's not. It should be. But it's clearly not.
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  834.  @cockoffgewgle4993  "no it didn't" Yes. It did. And nothing you say contradicts it. The things you say actually support it... "predominantly affected the poor," Blacks are predominately poor.
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  835. Neoliberals are not "leftist." Oh and pretty much everything else you say is also absurd.
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  836. Regarding, "poor little just fella blew a fuse." I guess what you are referring to is my lack of tolerance for a person like you who makes the world stupider with everything you say. Regarding, "What do you not understand about Constitutional Republic?" What do you understand about that having nothing to do with your original post. You only try to bring it up now to cover up the fact that your original statement was stupid beyond words. Regarding, "The fact that you want to focus on one program designed to care for the elderly instead of the system as a whole says a lot about your so called argument." That fact that you want to just dismiss this one program because it proves that what you said is stupid as fuck really says something not only about your argument but about you as a person. But if you want another way Americans not only accept but love socialism I will cite K-12 education which is another example of socialism that Americans are happy exists. But don't worry I'm sure you will have other pathetic excuses for why it doesn't prove that your original statement is fucking stupid. Regarding, "Now please come back with more insults in an unhinged manner again." You would rather focus on how I say what I do because it is easier than addressing the fact that I am able to show your comment was dumb as fuck. But if my anger at your stupidity brings you joy then good for you.
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  837. That is pretty fucking funny coming from a mental midget.
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  838. You are an idiot if you think Sanders is a shill. He didn't vote for it for fucks sake. Not voting is effectively a no vote.
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  839. Sir regarding, "we can certainly have a discussion without calling each other names" Sure we can but I'm going to call people names when I think it is justified. And I think it is a bit hypocritical of you to get pissy at me for calling you a name after you were doing the exact same thing to Bernie. Regarding, "I am disappointed in him" You want to be disappointed in him? You want to disagree with him on something? Fine. That is reasonable. What is unreasonable is extrapolating that because he did something different than you would have liked then he must be a shill. Regarding, "BDS movement" I can't speak intelligently about this. I confess that my priorities are domestic. I had to look up what BDS even meant. I personally want the US to mind their own fucking business, get out of the business of other countries and focus on their own citizens but ultimately foreign issues are not nearly as important to me as domestic. Regarding, "I continued to support him even after he accused Russia of sabotaging the elections" Do you really not think they messed with our elections? I assume they did and don't really even need any evidence of it. That said I also assume the US is fucking with everyone elses elections around the world and don't exactly need proof of this to think so either. Regarding, "a potential war if this continues to escalate" If we go to war with Russia it sure as fuck won't be Sanders fault and I expect him to be voting against it before it would happen. If he doesn't then you would really have something to complain about and I promise I'll be right beside you screaming for Bernie's head but in the meantime it seems silly to be blaming him for a war with Russia that hasn't happened. Regarding, "My support came to an end after reading the DNC's atrocious defense in the fraud case." So you stopped supporting Bernie because the DNC was proven to be corrupt as fuck even thou you never would have know if it were not for Bernie. Instead of being grateful to Bernie for increasing your understanding of the world you decided he need be shunned at this moment. I disagree. Regarding, "but not the DNC" You want to disagree with Bernie on this? Fine. That is reasonable. I don't even Bernie for having to decide how to proceed when it comes to shit like this. I would like to remind you that the establishment is and will continue to do every fucking thing imaginable to smear him. Hillary Clinton and the corporate media are accusing him of costing the queen the election in spite of this. Imagine how much easier it would be for them to make their bullshit arguments if he actually gave them a good way to attack him for being a whiner and sore loser. Americans fucking hate that. Even Hillary Clinton supporters are having an impossible time defending their fallen queen as she whines about her loss. Of course Sanders has actual grievances unlike her but he chose to not give them ammo to use against him. Sanders is all about policy and getting the policies he wants passed. He decided the best way to get his goals achieved is by ignoring this one battle and instead choosing to fight the other ones. You want to disagree with him? Fine. That is legit. But that doesn't make him a shill. Again, he is the only reason you are even woke on this. Regarding, "letting the DNC get off scot free" Do you really think Sanders getting involved would have changed the outcome of the court case? It wouldn't have. The only thing that he could have changed is that maybe a few more people would have been woke to how corrupt the DNC is. But in all honesty if you don't realize it by now that likely would not have made any difference. You would have been happier. But Sanders doesn't care about making you happy that way. He cares about making you happy by getting the policy he wants passed. And the best way to do that is by not rocking the boat this one time. A good general picks their battles. Because he didn't fight this one he is better positioned to win the rest of them. He is the most popular politician in the country at the moment in part because of how he handled this. That is important because we need him to be so that he can win and get the change we rightfully deserve.
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  840. So don't vote. That is woke. Got it. What other brilliant solutions do you offer exactly?
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  841. Cash regarding, "Yeah I’ll vote for Sanders. Not Harris." I love Sanders. I think he is easily the best hope this country has to get the progressive change it deserves. And fuck Harris. No way I vote for her in the general and it sounds like she is going to be the establishment's choice this time around. That said it is still some time off and only time will tell.
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  842. Riptide regarding, "Operation Chaos?" I think that would be more accurate if I were telling people to vote in the Republican party. I'm talking to progressives. The "democratic" party is suppose to be our party. Sadly it isn't and they only represent big money and corporate interests. I'm just trying to fight for what I think should be ours. And if I don't get what I want during the primary then fuck em.
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  843. ND P regarding, "Medicare For All is an unrealistic litmus test" Yeah. Fuck that. Medicare for all is absolutely a litmus test I use. I will not support a candidate that isn't for it.
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  844. Dennis regarding, "No, thank you." What do you stand to lose other than nothing? But you gain the opportunity to try and shape their nominee for the better.
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  845. Truth Robot regarding, "Vote against your own interests by supporting the corrupt, bribed Democrats" Voting in the primary does not support the democrats. You are thinking of voting for them in the general. And it absolutely is in my best interest to get the dems to nominate their most progressive candidate.
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  846. Aaron regarding, "You have a prime example of the second conservative party flipping progressives the finger and you want people to further support that party?" You do realize how they are giving you the finger right? They are ostracizing progressives that are in the party. In other words there are still good people there fighting for you and what you believe in, that is why the corporate dems need to give you the finger... because the fight for the soul of the party isn't over yet. And voting in the primary is not supporting the party. That is not voting for a democrat for office. It is merely doing what little you can to try and shape the party. Screaming and bitching at them just doesn't have the same affect as voting does.
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  847. Truth regarding, "in many states Independents (the largest voting bloc in America) can not even vote in the democrat Primary." Yup. It is fucked up. It is wrong. It is undemocratic. Regarding, "Democrats are doing nothing to fix it, proving they are corrupt and only protect the rich." Yup. And do you know why they do it? Because THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE. What more reason do you need to go out and vote in the primaries? Register as dem just long enough to vote in the primaries and then demexit as soon as you have. It is really fucked up that you need to do that to vote in their primary but in all honesty the country is fucked up and this is one way you can fight to make it better.
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  848. Alan regarding, "JOIN THE DNC AND BECOME THEIR MOUTHPIECE" First off it is impossible to take anyone seriously who only writes in all caps. Second he didn't exactly join the DNC. He is currently an independent and that is why the DNC is currently trying to force him to join them. I'm sure you are talking about him endorsing Hillary and that pissed you off. Fine. I get. I was pissed about that as well when he did. I wanted him to got the convention and give them all the finger. But he didn't and I understand why. He decided to endorse the "democratic" candidate like he was required to do when he entered the race. He didn't want to be blamed for Trump winning. Can you blame him? He is just as corrupt as Hillary but he, unlike her, he is fucking offensive. And remember what it was and what it wasn't. It was a fucking endorsement, not his soul. Only sheep vote based on someone else's endorsement. I fucking love Bernie Sanders but I happily voted for Jill Stein because it is my vote and I'm not a fucking sheep.
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  849. hoodie regarding, "DESERT THE DEMS." So throw up the white flag and give up any opportunity I have to make them the party they should be? No. I have a better plan. Regarding, "CHANGE YOUR REGISTRATION NOW" I'm not a democrat. I am lucky to live in an open primary state. If I were not I would register as a dem just long enough to vote in their primaries.
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  850. hoodie regarding, ""Justice Dems" are Democrats. Don't be fooled by a name." If you want a good indication how corrupt a politician is and how much they can be trusted you need to follow the money. Justice dems are not traditional dems because they don't accept legalized bribes. That is a big fucking difference you would be wise to not ignore.
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  851. Jake regarding, "Third parties are no longer viable in America." That is not exactly my position. I love third parties. I want them to grow and get better. I need them to push the major parties. But winning is important and the major parties offer the best chances to win and when they have a decent candidate I will vote for them. I will also try to shape the major parties in the primary. That is my main point.
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  852. Omar regarding, "she did not remain silent on DAPL." She was waaaaaaaaaaayyyy too late to the party. I want a leader, not a follower who is only being dragged.
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  853. Jimmy regarding, "The DNC does not allow Independents to vote in their closed primaries" Yup. Their message is clear. They don't want you to vote in their primaries. Which seems like a good reason to vote in their primaries.
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  854. Phillip regarding, "Even Bernie I don't trust anymore." That guy who has done more to expose the corruption in government? That guy who has fought his whole life for progressive values? That guy who turned his back on big money to run a campaign of the people? We are going to have to agree to disagree. Regarding, "Stop trying to revive a dead party" Clearly you are misunderstand what I'm trying to do.
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  855. @Who_dey Gotwins I'm not a biden supporter and this isn't about biden but don't let that stop you from deflecting from your clown to talk about them. It's exactly what biden and trump supporters do when the topic is one of their clowns.
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  856.  @RickyParker666  No I can see the one without an argument.
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  857. @J R "Kyle" Kyle probably cares because he's lost thousands of subscribers. His credibility is going the way of TYT and it didn't have to be this way but it is what it is. "wayward trumpers" LMFAO I've been a fan of kyle and krystal for longer than I've been a fan of jimmy. If I put with their BS that would make me the cultist, you know like you are doing.
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  858. @UCnarqlkOrG575ED2_Es6ZUg "Didn't ask you bro." Is that what you want to hide behind? Makes sense. It's not like you were ever sincere in your curiosity.
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  859. @J R I get it. You were pretending to be interested in the topic to try and make a terrible point and want to ignore what I said because it shows why what you were saying was dense.
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  860. @J R " I asked Ricky a question" Do you want to know the answer to it or not? You've made it clear you don't. Intellectual dishonesty 101 It's not like you asked ricky what his favorite color is and that only ricky could know of what you speak. It's exactly what I said.... you are just disingenuously pretending to be interested in a topic to make a terrible point... a point of 'why should anyone ever care about jimmy.' I told you why and you won't even acknowledge it. It is what it is not that you will admit it.
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  861.  @RickyParker666  "what fucking evidence are you asking me for?" Specific evidence. "Just look at the doores Twitter for 5 seconds," What am I suppose to be looking for and why isn't it true? "vaush" Like I said I don't know anything about him. Let's say jimmy is saying something about him I don't have a frame of reference if it's true or not. Point me at EXACTLY WTF you are talking about. "statements amongst a debate over abstract stuff being clipped down to make it look like vaush believes something he doesn't? Smears my dude, smears" LMFAO You aren't providing evidence. It makes me think the person smearing is you.
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  862.  @RickyParker666  "like what they have in Australia? Yeah that's definitely still M4A" LMFAO If that is all you have don't even bother. Your original claim was that he was throwing m4a in the trash and abandoning it. Let's say this is what he said... so fucking what. I'm not exactly familiar with what australias system is. I'm betting that it's some sort of valiant on a universal system because that's what everyone around the world other than the US seems to have. Even if they didn't it could be explained that he was misunderstanding the system in australia. No where does he say anything akin to "f m4a" like your previous BS would have everyone believe.
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  863. It's not sexual harassment to tell someone their bits are out so they can put them back where they belong. But exposing yourself in public is sexual harassment. Obviously.
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  864. Because they only agree on 2 things (war and drugs) and are diametrically opposed on everything else.
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  865. They should have put in a "brought to you by moderna" to throw people off at the start.
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  866. I only called her a fraud after she voted for pelosi and got nothing for it. Stop bootlicking.
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  867. John regarding, "many cannot afford it that work." Again you are not comparing it to what was before. Less people could afford health insurance before it was implemented. Millions more people have health insurance after it. Regarding, "It's a bad law" Yes. It is. We agree on this. But it IS better than what was before it. Regarding, "we shouldn't defend it" I'm not defending it. I'm telling you it sucks. But you shouldn't be defending making things worse which is what you seem to be doing. Regarding, "I don't believe that Obamacare is what we should be fighting for" I'm not fighting for it.... just pointing out that Trump is making things worse. That said there is a part of me that is glad he is doing this and making things worse because there is part of me that thinks him do so accelerates us getting single payer. That said Republicans control all of government and single payer isn't happening anytime and in the meantime I'd prefer if we didn't make things worse... again, like Trump is doing.
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  868. John regarding, "hasn't presented a plan." Not an overarching plan like the ACA but a plan as in what he is doing to gut the ACA. That is his plan. Regarding, "The Republican party presented multiple plans all of which even they could not agree on or get passed." Yup. And Trump is taking it upon himself to gut the ACA with executive power effectively doing what the party was unwilling or too incompetent to do on their own. Regarding, "Why do you think the insurance companies are still contributing to Democrats in congress and Republicans? It is so they won't change anything." You are demonstrating why they ARE CHANGING THINGS... for the worse.
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  869. PJ It would but less so than it would be overpriced as reading material.
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  870. The algorithm: hold my beer.
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  871. Nope. Fun fact: writing in all caps is a sign of mental illness as is everything else you are doing.
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  872. Democrats: guns are bad. Also democrats: all the missiles for ukraine.
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  873. Bart regarding Warren. I don't trust her. She didn't support Bernie during the primaries when it was important, she was late to oppose DAPL and more. Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner should be the first female POTUS.... after Bernie.
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  874. Aitch regarding, "How is Sanders supposed to even run?" As a Democrat after they screwed him. When he ran previously he entered with very little name recognition and that was used against him. They used it by portraying Hillary as inevitable from the start in an effort to suppress Sanders support. What are you going to do? Waste your vote on him? Was the message they tried to send out. Superdelegates support at the start was also used to tilt the field. Even when Sanders was doing well at the start the corporate media was quick to put up numbers including the superdelegates with pledged delegates to misrepresent the state of the race. The DNC actively worked against him with BS planted stories and by not scheduling debates to help the queen. Thanks in large part to wikileaks this corruption (among other morally reprehensible conduct) was exposed. They can't do the same shit again and even if they do the game has changed. Sanders is now a rockstar in the political community with name recognition among everyone where he is currently the most popular politician in the country. No doubt the establishment will work overtime against him. Republicans will call him a communist and corporate democrats will call his plans unachievable but even though I think the public is by and large uniformed and more importantly misinformed due to corporate media, they know he is the real deal. All you need to do is look back at a very large body of work. His age works for him here. You know he genuine because he has said the same shit his entire life. Compare that to Hillary Clinton or any of your other politicians who have been around for a while... they flip flop all the fucking time because they have no principles. Having principles means saying things that are NOT popular with the public. Like when Sanders was supporting gay rights long before the public was. Or when Sanders was the darn near the only guy voting against the patriot act or the Iraq war. He's the real deal I can be sure about it because he is old and on the record all this time. Most people realize it and those that don't are likely going to be voting for a POS candidate anyway. Please let Sanders be healthy in 2020. The country needs him and less importantly so does the "democratic" party if they are ever going to be a party that isn't corrupt as fuck. If he isn't there will be someone else ready to take his place but I am not as sure the country will be smart enough to get behind someone else. Time will tell.
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  875. Aitch regarding, "a third party will never get in to the debates" I get the point. Only a special 3rd party candidate would get into the debates. That said Sanders could have this last time had he run as a 3rd party candidate but only because he is already known. Jill Stein never had the chance to be known because the corporate media would only talk about her to smear her. I get your point but I am sure that if Sanders chose to run as a 3rd party candidate (which I would really want if the DNC fucked him over again) he would get in. Anyone else though is pretty screwed because the public is misinformed constantly and most people are just too busy trying to stay afloat to realize why the game is so fucking rigged.
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  876. Aitch regarding, "Genuine, like when he crumpled after being abused by the DNC" What you are talking about are political tactics. How do you best serve your interests and try to get what you want done. I disagreed with Bernie very much in the moment and still do. That said it might actually end up being the best play for the long run to serve his interests. The country is in a perfect position so than actually progressive will be the next president. Even Hillary Clinton die hards have a hard time excusing her current whining and it is a turnoff to the public at large. (Note, Sanders actually had a legitimate grievance compared to the queen.) But he is genuine when it comes to POLICY POSITIONS. That is what is most important to me. I think it is very reasonable that people who want single payer have very, very, very different ideas about how it is best to get it but ultimately what is most important to me is that we both actually want single payer. Regarding, "Do you remember when he went up to do that, and the crowd cheered for him damn near 15 minutes straight even after he told them to stop half a dozen times?" Have you seen the movie Half Baked? The whole time I was fantasizing about Bernie saying fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, your cool, fuck you I'm running independent. I get it. I really do. I wanted him to run as 3rd party candidate. But I get it. At the end of the day he was still the same person fighting for the same things I want him to fight for even if I thought at that moment he was going about it wrong. I personally never questioned his resolve for the cause even while disagreeing with the tactics. Regarding, "The voters would have stood by him whatever direction he wanted to go." Maybe. I want to think so but ultimately I'm very cynical and do not think much of the public and our media. Him running as a 3rd party candidate would have been just another tool the establishment would use to attack him. Then there would have been the problem that he would need a majority of electoral college votes... having the most would not have been good enough. We will never know. I like to think that if he could have won then he DEFINITELY can win in 2020 and we are far better off with him late than never. Regarding, "he still got on his knees for the Dems." It was an endorsement not his soul. He didn't want to be blamed for Trump winning which is quite reasonable to me. I fucking love Bernie Sanders but I didn't vote for Hillary, I voted for Jill Stein happily. Only a fucking sheep votes based on an endorsement anyway. Regarding, "We could have had the most massive 3rd party vote in recent history" As much as I hate the party system and want more parties, as much as a I hate the "democratic" party, I think it would be best if Sanders wins as a democrat and not an independent or Green Party. As much as the "democratic" party should die I just don't see it happening. And what I think would be best for the country is if someone could reform the party from the inside out so that they actually represented the people and not the corporations. If he wins as a democrat he would be positioned to do so. If he wins as an independent he is unable to do so.
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  877. "almost all those people are crooked and you are stuck on semantics." If you are there to stick up for one of the crooks who happens to be particularly orange and has tiny hands that matters. It isn't "semantics."
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  878. I'm pretty sure the person guilty of sexual harassment is the boss exposing their ass at work.
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  879. Go away Rick Cea... Please, go away...
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  880. Warren is just another politician who would say anything to win as are their shills.
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  881. Well done on making me feel like I'm living in the movie Idiocracy.
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  882. It's how our country was founded.
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  883. Yup. They are lucky I'm a pacifist and not a gun nut.
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  884.  @DallasTaylor  People such as yourself are impossible to take seriously.
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  885. The irony is that she is destroying her political career. I've been a huge fan of AOC. She has the opportunity to be a progressive champion. Instead she is being exposed as a fraud.
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  886.  @DallasTaylor  "Russian propaganda against Pelosi" LMFAO It's like you are trying to prove my point that you are rightfully ignored.
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  887. Regarding, "my opinion is based on..." Try to remember that primary voters are going to have some say. Regarding, "i don't believe the dems represent the way forward" I was all about 3rd party going into the last general. I happily voted for Jill Stein but I concede I'm demoralized at that path after their showing. If she couldn't do better against 2 of the most despised politicians, make that 2 of the most despised humans I am not optimistic about that plan going forward. Don't get me wrong, I will vote for them again if there is nothing but Trump and a corporate stooge again in 2020 but that is plan B and I think it should be for everyone else as well.
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  888. Regarding, "yes but if i would of voted for 1 of them Hillary might of gotten in." Way to go. You used the same idiotic argument people used to vote for Hillary. You played the exact game the establishment uses to make people vote between a douche and turd and not go outside voting for a douche and turd. You also seem to think they were different in some sort of important way but they are not. You voted for Hillary Clinton with an orange dick. Don't go patting yourself on the back for that. You are as much a part of the problem as Hillary supporters.
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  889. So what? I don't think she would have handled the crisis better in any of the ways that actually matter (getting these people help). And considering our government is a fucking joke and was going to fuck these people over regardless I actually prefer the face of government be that of the clown as opposed to someone that might be able to put the public to sleep.
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  890.  @drabolit  "he didn’t believe Biden strongarmed" Show him the tape. If he still says it AFTER you know he saw it then you might have a point. For all I know he hasn't seen it yet.
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  891. Free Assange!
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  892. Fuck Trump and fuck anyone dumb enough to support him.
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  893. Well done on destroying my faith in humanity.
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  894. The only person that should stop is you.
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  895. I think "sell out" is the wrong term but I feel your point.
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  896. That sheepdogging shit is a narrative being pushed by the same people that were "correcting the record" for Hillary Clinton.
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  897.  @glennmiller9491  4 replies but I can only see 3.
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  898.  @pseudonayme7717  "the people in power" Don't misunderstand me I know who does it and why. I'm just calling them out for it.
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  899. He was "part of the whole DNC primary fraud" in that he was the only fucking reason there needed to be any fucking fraud. The DNC is corrupt but they, unlike you, are not fucking stupid.
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  900. Don't be afraid to change your bullshit original post. Maybe it's "difficult to recognize bullshit" because of people like you spreading bullshit.
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  901. Not sure if it was you or someone else who gave your lie a thumbs up. If it wasn't you it means that you were responsible for making the world a little bit dumber.
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  902. Do you always believe what the US government tells you?
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  903. It's the only place we know America won't bomb.
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  904. WeLikeIt, dude, I'm just trying to make a joke in sad times.
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  905.  @soulofhawk1742  I do agree with your sentiment but calling it "frustration" is putting it mildly. I was duped by AOC. That's partly why this hurts so much.
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  906.  @C17Citadel  I know he does. It's just a dumb joke.
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  907. Sounds like you think you were first to 420. You weren't. I've been high a long time.
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  908.  @triggerwarning5762  "Let's make Covid illegal!" Mutations too. F it. All disease. But then big pharma wouldn't make all the money. Maybe we shouldn't.
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  909. You want more? Fine. I guess I just realized that you knew that you were saying stupid things because you knew you were going to get flack for saying them but whatever. Regarding, "Fuck Bernie" Fuck Bernie? No. Fuck you. Bernie Sanders has done more than anyone else in the world to expose the rot in the DNC and the system. Thanks to Bernie more people than ever are woke to the systemic corruption that exists in our government. He has fought for progressive cause his entire life and despite being in government for a very long time has almost never been on the wrong side of an issue. Regarding, "he didn't fight" He entered the race down 60 points and only "lost" because of shenanigans. He fought like a motherfucker KNOWING the game was rigged as fuck when most people would have just given up Biden style. Regarding, "it was obvious he got cheated by Filthy Hillary" Yes. It was obvious. I'm not sure about you but I knew it was fucking obvious the game was rigged when 400 superdelegates pledged their support to her before a single peasant even voted. It was fucking obvious from start to finish but ultimately crying like a bitch Hillary Clinton book tour style is counterproductive to do what he wants done. Regarding, "ultimately fell in line and actually supported the bitch." When entering the primary he agreed to support the "winner" of the nomination. He lost and fullfilled his pledge. Sanders is like that... he does what he says he will do. But I think it had more to do with the fact that he didn't want Trump to win. Can you really blame him for not wanting to be blamed for Trump? Can you blame him for not wanting Trump to be president? I sure as fuck get it. He is just as corrupt as Hillary with the bonus of being downright offensive. Regarding, "she still blames him" She is a POS. I'm not sure why I'm suppose to be mad at Sanders for her actions. And I'm glad she blames him. She only makes herself and the corporate dems look that much worse when she does. Even Hillary supporters have an impossible time justifying her crying. Regarding, "He started a movement." Yes he did. It wasn't about him. It was about the movement. You should be happy he left this legacy instead of crying like a bitch Hillary Clinton style. Regarding, "TULSI GABBARD" I love Tulsi Gabbard. I'd be happy if she were President. But Sanders is the logical choice in 2020. He has the name recognition of rock star and is rightfully the most popular politician in the country. Gabbard would have the problems Sanders had in 2016 when he entered of limited name recognition and that is exceptionally important in a world where the corporate media will go out of their way to not cover non establishment candidates other than to smear them. And as much as I love what I know about her she does not have a very long record to look at and know for sure what we would be getting. Especially at the start of her career she seemed very conservative in her beliefs before seeming to evolve. Regarding, "I'm doing the "establishment's" work by promoting Tulsi" I'm talking about the other 99 percent of your bullshit that happened before that where you took a piss on about the only decent politician in government who, without him, you might not even know who Tulsi Gabbard was. Is that enough for you? Can I now call you a fucking moron with your approval? Like I said the establishment appreciates you smearing Sanders and thank you for doing their work for them. Now go fuck yourself. I don't care if you are only accidentally doing their work for them, the bottom line is that you are working against my interests and your own when doing so. It is fucking stupid so I'm going to call you stupid for doing it. Oh, and I did watch it. What dumbass reason do you think I didn't? Don't answer. This is rhetorical. I don't actually give a fuck what you think. I just wanted to call you dumb for saying stupid things.
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  910. You are a fool then supporting a clown.
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  911. Canada's "government health care" costs half as much, doesn't leave millions uninsured, and produces better results. Why would you defend the status quo? It clearly sucks.
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  912. People like social security. Spoiler alert... that is socialism.
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  913. Do you want to force the vote? SIGN! THE! PETITION! Thank you.
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  914. You can't really be that stupid can you?
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  915. It should be more and probably is considering how bad at math youtube is.
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  916. You are an idiot. Good luck with that.
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  917. Regarding, "Trump 2020." Thank you for proving my point that you are an idiot. Good luck with your conman.
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  918. Is that suppose to impress me? She only says what she should have been saying the ENTIRE FUCKING TIME at the very end as an after thought.
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  919.  @iceKING860  Regarding, "realistically thats ALL he did was get people to converse about it....talk talk talk talk talk.....but do we have it?" Good point. I guess Jimmy sucks too because we don't have it. /s Ultimately the first step in passing transformative legislation is by getting the people support it. Sanders has helped do that. Maybe give him some credit instead of only scorn.
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  920. Presenting opinion and presenting opinion as if it is fact are two completely different things.
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  921.  @cameronmoore4061  "Everyone knows it came from a lab" You are just the other side of the "everyone knows it didn't come from a lab" coin.
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  922.  @kaijessen3654  Your assumptions say more about you than it does me.
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  923.  @kaijessen3654  That still might be the least stupid thing you have said so far.
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  924. That's the type of worthless comment I'd expect from someone on that side.
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  925.  @lurice0  "She wasn't blackmailing you with that specific incident" Thank you for conceding that ana was guilty of blackmail. I agree. She obviously was.
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  926. Planet regarding, "bern said he was going to figjt through the end of primary" He campaigned and fought while all us peasants voted. What did you want him to do? Hypocritically fight for superdelegates after he had less pledged delegates? Regarding, "sooner then he said" I can't really take this "point" seriously. He fucking "lost." It was over. Nothing he was going to say or do at that point was going to change that fucked up fact. The only question to answer then was what to do going forward. If it was his decision to support Hillary, like he said he would support the dem nominee when entering the race, then doing what he did was the best way to try and stop Trump from being president. Regarding, "pulled way too many punches during debates" Yeah. It is almost as if he wanted to win on the issues rather than by taking shots at Hillary. Some of us actually liked that about him. If you wanted a candidate who would do anything and everything to win then I'm sure you loved Hillary and company.
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  927. Planet regarding, "damned e mails." When I said issues I was talking about policy. The emails are not, in any way shape or form policy. The emails are about Hillary Clinton. I liked that Sanders wanted to talk about policy and not about Hillary. I remember watching that debate. I even remember my thoughts at the time. You know what they were? They were, "that's why I fucking love that guy." I totally agreed with him at the time. I was fucking exhausted by the conversation of her emails. I, like Sanders, wanted to talk about war policy, and money in politics, and the minimum wage, and the environment and.... I wanted to hear ABOUT POLICY. But try and remember exactly when that was being talked about. The fact of the matter is that, at that point, the most damning information about Hillary's emails had yet to come out. Had that question been asked in a later debate his answer may very well been very different and my desire to hear about her emails may very well been very different because, like I accurately point out, things changed significantly after that. Regarding, "u found it refreshing that bern didn't want to debate it" I found it refreshing that a candidate wanted to talk about issues (as in policy). I mean look at the corporate media and how they cover shit. You know what is missing from their bullshit? Talk of policy. They would rather talk about scandals because that shit distracts from the much more important topic of laws that actually impact the public. Who Trump fucked for example doesn't actually affect me. Regarding, "Sounds like ur the hillary fan to me." Sounds like you are retarded to me when you say this. Regarding, "U probably voted for her cuz bern told u to." I voted for Jill Stein because she was the only candidate running I actually wanted to win. And as for who Bernie endorsed I didn't care. I fucking love the guy but only sheep vote based on someone else's endorsement and I'm not a sheep.
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  928. "outlandish misinformation is not suppressing free speech." Actually it is. If you are actually free you are free to be wrong. Who gets to decide what is "outlandish misinformation?"
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  929.  @reasonwarrior  "Group think is the problem" Is that why the MIC does what it does? Group think? Or are you unserious? "We are all individuals" Never do I ever say we aren't. "not peasants and elites" Yes. You are. Whether you like it or not. But that isn't even what matters. What matters is who you identify with. Who you support. You can also be a traitor to the class you are actually in.
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  930. Medicare for all please.
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  931. Tanner regarding, "what else has he done?" I go the extra mile to stay away from corporate media these days but I remember him most from him being on a show called crossfire back in the day where their gimmick was they would have him representing the right, someone else representing the left and they pretended to do good news. It wasn't. It was just political theater and Tucker's costume included a bow-tie.
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  932. Cobra regarding, "he's cool enough" Cool enough for what? Falling on a grenade?
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  933. Kwisatz regarding, "it should be 1/10" Pick your sources better and you can do better.
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  934. Agreed. The only thing I disagree with Jimmy on is that Hillary can come get my vote. She can't because I don't trust her. She would say literally anything to win but actions speak louder than words. I will never support her even if she said everything I want to hear because she is a liar not to be trusted.
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  935. Any chance we could talk about important issues? Ya know... the issues the public actually cares about? Jill Stein is right on war/peace (foreign policy), education, health care, criminal justice reform, the environment and fracking, the TPP and jobs, taxes, jobs, equality, money in politics, ethics, financial reform and glass-steagal. This is what the public actually cares about so how about we talk about those. I assure you Jill Stein is on the right side of every one of those issues.
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  936. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Pot makes me happy, even if maybe I shouldn't be in a world where either Trump or Hillary is going to be President.
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  937. Please do not write in Bernies name and vote Jill Stein instead. They are essentially the same policy wise but Jill Stein is actually running. If we are ever going to do better than a broken two party system third party candidate need support and votes.
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  938. I love Plutot. Not because he is smart but because he just says idiotic, ironic things like, "Clueless people, proud to be clueless" Instead of trying to make an argument. Plutot what does sovereign mean? Now watch as he ignores my question and instead accuses me of not knowing anything.
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  939. Regarding, "because reasons." To sane, educated people the first amendment is a good reason. To an idiot this reason should be dismissed.
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  940. Regarding, "You can already say, see, show, do almost anything you want." This is how a moron justifies taking away some of a person's constitutional rights. Plutot I have an X-mas gift for you. https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Compact-Between-Sovereign-States/dp/1173876324
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  941. Regarding, "Your comments too are sad, man." How predictable you are. You just say shit like this instead of offering anything of substance because when you try to offer substance it always ends up being complete bullshit that is quickly rebuked.
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  942. Plutot you told me to read a book. I thought you would like it. I love how all of your responses are nothing but personal attacks. Why am I not surprised. Lucky for you there is a first amendment to protect your right to be a complete fucking idiot.
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  943. Regarding, "did you just complain about personal attacks?" No. I commented about them. I actually enjoy them. I find them funny. They are partly why I talk to you. You think I am "complaining" because you have trouble understanding the English language.
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  944. Regarding, "No your not having any fun right now." If you say so. You would obviously know best. Regarding, "Your comments are actually really sad." Amuse me Plutot and actually answer a question for once. What are your comments exactly then?
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  945. Regarding, "No, you are not having any fun right now." You said that already. Any chance you would answer a question or are you just going to keep repeating idiotic insults?
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  946. I'll take that as a no. Why am I not surprised.
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  947. Plutot what are your comments?
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  948. Dodge incoming.
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  949. Dodge executed.
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  950. I think I'll go burn a flag. I've never done so before even thou it is my right. Just for you. You too should shake things up. I suggest answering questions. That is how you demonstrate knowledge. Not by just pretending your shit don't stink.
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  951. Daniel regarding, "How does that person care about America at all" I think people who burn flags obviously care about the country. They care so much about it that they are willing to protest it when it does wrong. Someone who doesn't care about the country wouldn't bother to be interested in what it is doing. Caring is a requirement of criticism.
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  952. Plutot regarding, "Yeah. Pretty much like when a player from the Boston Celtics isnt happy about a penality, he burn his jacket. Because he really care." I love it when you actually try to make a point. It always just ends up being word vomit like this. I concede I don't have much of response to this. To respond I need something other than brain farts to respond to.
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  953. Regarding, "Ever played any sport, Clint?" Yes. Regarding, "Try that, burning your shirt because your not happy and see what will happen." I'm not going to lie, I have a real hard time making sense of you "points" and "thoughts." I guess you think that sports are like the government, shirts are like flags, and burning a sports jersey should be illegal. I remember seeing a video of a guy burning his Kaepernick jersey because he was pissed Kaep didn't stand for the anthem. I guess you think they should be imprisoned like you think flag burners should be imprisoned because, as you like to say, reasons.
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  954. Regarding, "Your comments are increasingly sad and cynical btw" Dammit. Your opinion means everything to me.
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  955. Regarding, "yawn" Good point. I never thought of it that way.
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  956. Regarding, "Its not an opinion." You need a dictionary. Time and again you prove to have no understanding of the meaning of words. You don't get to just make it up as you go.
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  957. Plutot what are your comments?
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  958. Regarding, "No, its not an opinion. Your comments are really sad." You said that already. Things don't become more true by just repeating them. What are your comments? I'm curious.
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  959. Regarding, "No you not curious. You are jailed in your biases." You don't see any irony in this do you? You assume to know what I think despite me telling you otherwise but I'm the one jailed in bias. Very funny.
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  960. Regarding, "You are jailed in your biases and you have ego issues." Not like you right?
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  961. Regarding, "Dude, you are on my thread. You found me." Neo in the Matrix could learn about dodging from you. You might want to consider that I find you funny.
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  962. Regarding, "You really have ego issues" Not like you right?
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  963. Regarding, "No your not having any fun right now. Just ego issues." What are you doing?
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  964. Regarding, "As I said" I'm not sure if you have noticed but I don't think much of what you have to say even if it is funny.
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  965. Regarding, "says the guy whos replying for the last 4 days" Hypocrite much?
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  966. Regarding, "Dude you are on my thread" I love how you think that doesn't make you a hypocrite. You say that as if you haven't been replying to me even thou you have.
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  967. Regarding, "You are on my thread." Yes. I get that. You don't seem to get that you are bitching about me replying while you are doing the exact same thing. If you ever got a dictionary you would realize that is, by definition, hypocrisy. Regarding, "You found me." I stumbled upon you. I didn't seek you out. And it was very funny that the guy who claims to love the constitution was advocating for giving the first amendment the finger. Regarding, "You have huge ego issues, man." Not like you right?
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  968. Regarding, "really sad and heavy." Not like you right?
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  969. Regarding, "dude you are sad" Not like you right? Regarding, "yawn" I agree. I am bored of you. Take care dipshit.
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  970. Urduib regarding "Hillary is worse than Hitler..." I am no fan of Hillery and will not vote for her but you are reaching too far. I don't care if Hitler was more honest than honest Abe. That does nothing to excuse his actions.
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  971. Sure. Let's find out. Let's recount it all. But Trump doesn't like recounts after he won does he.
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  972. Get yourself some ball fresh to help with the smell.
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  973. "Human" regarding, "He could have at least tried returning the money, since it wasn't exactly HIS." Do you even try to understand how things work or do you just say stupid things that feel right? The money he spent to buy that house was his money. Not money given to him in the form of campaign donations. Something like what you suggest would be illegal and nothing you are suggesting is how things have gone down in reality. Regarding, "where's MY free house" You have to be one of the dumbest people on the planet. It explains why you support Donald Trump. You are an epic idiot. You went from saying, "Bernie DID just buy" but now, all of a sudden, it was free. Do you have no shame? Do you have any problem changing the story when you find it convenient to lie? Or is lying easy for you and second nature? Regarding, "I sure could use one!" Go get a job loser. Stop blaming everyone other than yourself for your POS life. The real reason your life sucks is because of you. Stop lying and people might like you more.
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  974. She is more a symptom of the rot in the DNC, she isn't the cause.
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  975. "Human" regarding, "You KNOW you took down your thread" I haven't taken anything down dipshit. If it seems that way to you it is only because you are an idiot. Regarding, "Have fun under $hitlery" You know I don't support her right?
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  976. No. That is not the point.
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  977. Because eating burgers and jeopardizing national security are similar or sumthin (sic)?
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  978. I honestly don't care if it is possible or not. I'm voting for her because I think she would be the best President.
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  979. Actions speak louder than words. I don't really care what she says because I do not trust her words at all. She would say literally ANYTHING to win. She can pander all she wants but, for example, when she says she is against the TPP I realize she is full of crap. It would be nice if she were more like Bernie but she isn't and she never is going to be.
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  980. She is so anti science Dr. Jill Stein is a medical doctor.
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  981. You are taking shit out of context. To vote in this country you need to be registered and we do not let illegal immigrants register to vote.
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  982. Jake regarding, "He told illegals to vote without consequence." Um. No. He didn't. And to vote you need to be registered to vote. We do not let illegal immigrants vote. But don't let those facts get in the way of your bullshit conspiracy theory.
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  983. "Human" I assure you I understand nuance quite well. The only reason you think this has anything to do with nuance and not you being an idiot is... because you are an idiot. Regarding, "You don't have to SUPPORT the person you're voting for" I'm going to try and break this down for you so that a person of your limited intellect might understand. There are several different ways you could support a candidate. Examples of supporting a candidate include, sending them money, working directly for a campaign, working indirectly for a campaign (talking on a message board), and, probably most important to candidates... VOTING FOR THEM. You do not have to do all to support someone. All of them are examples of supporting them. For example a person could not work in any way shape of form for a candidate, not vote for candidate, but if they sent a candidate a million dollar check to their superpac they certainly would be supporting them. A person could not speak a word of politics or spend a dime for a candidate but if they vote for a candidate they are supporting them. Again, this really is not hard to understand unless you are fucking moron. Regarding you calling me, "you retarded mother fucking BOOB." What you are doing is called projection in psychology. Thanks for the laugh dipshit.
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  984. Regarding, "Oh, I realize that Lincoln was our president A LONG TIME AGO," Is this your rational for lying? Regarding, "MUCH has changed," Thanks for clearing that up. I thought things were exactly the same as then. I should really go tell my slaves things have changed and they are actually free. They too will be happy to have been enlightened by the moron that is you. Regarding, "Can YOU admit that an honest leader can NOT be elected under a system run by criminals" I'm not sure. I am sure that I am going to continue to support candidates worthy of my vote. I will never vote for a POS candidate like Donald Trump.... unlike an idiot I know (that's you.... you are the idiot. I figure I better tell you in case you were not smart enough to figure it out without me telling you.) Regarding, "now THAT'S the mother fucking unasked question that flew RIGHT over your head!" How exactly did it fly over my head if it was never asked? Wouldn't it have had to exist to go over my head? Wow you are not smart. Trump loves the uneducated for a reason. Regarding, "do you REALLY think an honest candidate can win in a playing field where EVERYONE is a liar, cheat, and thief," But if there is an honest candidate then not everyone is a liar, cheat, thief. I know you think you have a point, but it only seems that way because you are stupid. I'm going to keep supporting honest candidates and you are going to continue to support Trump... because you are stupid. Good luck with your conman. Thanks for the laugh. It has been amusing talking to you in a way but I'm done with you. I'd have a better chance educating my dog so I'm to stop wasting my breathe on you.
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  985. User regarding, "You guys should calm down and let the other one vote for whoever he or she likes." Fair point. I concede I have little tolerance for Trump and Hillary supporters, and that tolerance goes to zero when they lack the intelligence to understand that voting for someone is supporting them (among other idiotic statements). Regarding, "If Trump wins, it's not your fault" If Trump wins it won't be my fault because I'm not voting for him. "Human" on the other hand... well, considering they are going to be voting for him it would actually be, by definition, their fault for supporting him with his vote. Regarding, "she is the worst presidential candidate the Democratic Party ever had." We can all agree on that.
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  986. The left isn't coming either (at least not this guy on the left). She does have the support of the media and the electronic voting machines with no paper trail. She also does have a case to be made that she is better than Trump (not that that is saying much).
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  987. Please can I have whatever he is on? At least until after this election but better yet until 2020 and the next election. Thank you in advance.
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  988. Decent like Merrick Garland? He was praised by republicans right up until Obama nominated him. If dems care about SCOTUS as much as they claim they can demand Garland types and say no to Scalia types just the same way republicans are saying no right now.
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  989. Regarding, "He's the ONLY one who can." Not exactly. Almost everyone in the world could beat Trump. Mostly they need to avoid nominating literally the worst candidate in the world to beat him. Shit they did that already and a corrupt POS like Hillary still got more votes. I agree that Bernie would be ideal but if he isn't healthy at the time I'd be just fine with Tulsi Gabbard, Nina Turner, and a few other true progressives. If they want to try Tim Kaine or another terrible candidate I will vote for the Green Party again.
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  990. Thanks Sarah Silverman. Sorry but you are ridiculous to think that people should just fall in line and ignore rigged elections. You are ridiculous to think I should support a candidate that does not, in any way, represent me. I'm sorry you have a problem with free speech and the right to protest. I'm sorry you think we should ignore our own feelings and vote based on someone else's endorsement. I'm a moron because I'm not voting based on another person's endorsement? Seriously thou... you are being ridiculous.
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  991. She is lucky to even have her name mentioned on most of these polls considering the biases of the people conducting them.
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  992. You either do not understand the meaning of the words "literally impossible" or you are literally an idiot.
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  993. Andrea I just find it very funny that they think anyone cares if they are subscribed or not. Do they think I'm going to be like, "ZP ZAP is not subscribed? I better unsub them." It is ridiculous. That said I'm not complaining. I think it is very funny.
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  994. Purplefish regarding, "Everyone was pro fracking for the last 10 years." That is lie just like the queen you support. Regarding, "HRC at least claims she has learned to not be against it." So the fact that she lies about it is suppose to make me feel better? It doesn't. Weird you think that is an acceptable excuse. Regarding, "She's an old school politician that "triangulates" and doesn't pick a position until it's politically advantageous." In other words she has zero principles of her own. She isn't in for any kind of beliefs of her own or desire to do the right thing but for the ability to hold the power. She puts her finger in the wind to test how the public feels about certain issues but on others, the issues really important to her like going to war everywhere, the public can really go fuck itself. Regarding, "Second opensecrets is a whack job website." LOL. Regarding, "Yeah, destroying cell phones , emails etc is NO different what's happened in the past 14 years. Have you been asleep ? Powell, Rice, Bush / Cheney administration kept private servers AND destroyed millions of emails." The devil is in the details that you obviously are ignornant about or are conveniently ignoring. Even I agreed that she was just doing business as usual that is a fucking pathetic defense. You may as well be a lawyer arguing for your murderer cop that, "that's how it's always been... cops murder people therefor this is what you should expect." Regarding, "I doubt you were complaining about them." I assure I was and I'm not going to hypocritically ignore it because "my team" (not that they are my team anymore) is doing it. Regarding, "we need laws to prevent this," We do. They are called, among other things, FOIA laws that Hillary broke. Regarding, "The Clintons have about a million loser Repubs going through their Trash ( google Trey Gawdy and Bengazi for instance ) so she was rightly defensive on this issue." Cool excuses and rationalizations bro. If she didn't do anything wrong she shouldn't have any reason to have to hide everything. Regarding, "Election fraud was a large % caused by incompetence and a smaller % caused by people already being biased towards HRC." I can't believe you are actually willing to accurately admit that there was election fraud during the primary but, again, as usual, your rationalizations and explanations are pure shit. Regarding, "Bernie, he wasn't a Dem" Who has Bernie caucused with over the years? Who has Bernie voted with over the years? How do democratic voters feel about the policies he champions? Bernie is far more democratic than the "democratic" party. Regarding, "there's nothing wrong with DNC people from wanting a Dem to get the nomination" Wanting is one thing... colluding is another and is against their own fucking rules.
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  995. Two problems with Bernie. First the hair. If only he didn't have the hair of mad scientist. Second if only he wasn't so principled to call himself a democratic socialist and/or independent all these years and chose to instead label himself a Democrat. These two changes and it wouldn't have mattered how much Clinton, the DNC, and the MSM lied and cheated... he would be the nominee regardless.
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  996. I think you misunderstand my point and my positions mars. I love Bernie. I don't care about the hair or the fact that he calls himself a democratic socialist. I am just acknowledging that lots of people in America do care about such things. Even if you don't you should realize that many people do care about such things. Regarding, "he does everything 'wrong'" No. He does everything RIGHT. It's just that the packaging is less than ideal... that's why the issues I mention I accurately call superficial.
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  997. Ashton. I agree that there was a lot of voter fraud. Specifically exit polling results, when they weren't canceled, look scandalous. I even mention these issues briefly in my original comment, "Clinton, the DNC... cheated." O-I-C, no I do not think you see. Regarding, "That's what you would do or be." No that is not who I do or be, but that is who many Americans do or be. Do you really not get the point? I absolutely love that he is genuine. But the point, again, is that many, many, many Americans are easily distracted by the something like the hair and many, many, many Americans are entrenched in party politics who are loyal first the DNC and suspect of someone who hasn't been calling themselves one.
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  998. I'm convinced they rigged the election. Never Hillary. Never Trump. Jill Stein for President!
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  999. Nez regarding, "if is up to me i wouldent allow it" I'm glad it's not up to you. I like freedom of speech just the way it is.
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  1000. So sad... http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/stopped-52-times-police-racial-profiling-40453378
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  1001. Niklas regarding, "Not sure if you noticed but that statement is the same Trump used to talk about Mexican immigrants and is known to be one of his most Racist statements to this day." I was aware that my statement was very Trumpian. It was done so as satire to express my anger in a somewhat humorous way. It is noteworthy that my statement can not be called racist as you imply. Cops are not a race. Do you get offended when politicians say things like "we need to kill terrorists before they kill us."? I'm betting not because you accept that terrorists are bad people. You do not accept the fact that a much greater percentage of cops are evil people as well. You likely think they are heroes who got into the job to serve and protect. You are wrong outside of a tiny, tiny minority. Regarding, "Can you see that that type of statement helps fuel anger" Yes I do. I am not a big fan of doing so but like terrorists and criminals deserve anger so does much of the gestapo police force here in America deserve anger because way too big a percentage of them are criminals in blue. Am I advocating going out and killing them. No. I am not. But the police in America need sweeping changes immediately. Regarding, "a group of people that are already heavily criticised" Not in my opinion. Although there are people like myself who heavily criticize them there are also plenty of apologists who make excuses for police who kill unarmed civilians. Regarding, "is in no way helpful to the situation?" The first step in solving a problem is accepting a problem exists. Regarding, "Unless of course you have some way to isolate these criminals?" BLM has a list of 10 things they want to address the problems; 1 end broken windows policing, 2 community oversight, 3 limit the use of force, 4 police independently investigated and prosecuted, 5 community representation, 6 universal body cams, 7 additional training, 8 end for-profit policing, 9 demilitarization, and 10 fair police union contracts. I've posted this list elsewhere and you wouldn't believe the blow-back I get from racists and police apologists. I think the list is quite common sense. Notice that nowhere on the list is killing cops or race ever mentioned in the list of 10.
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  1002. One other little food for thought. America imprisons more of it's citizens than anywhere else in the world by percentage of population and it is isn't even close. How ironic is it that we like to call ourselves the "land of the free."
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  1003. Bernie got somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 million votes. I'm not sure exactly the number but it not close to 3 mil.
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  1004. Calm regarding, "will not infringe on freedom of speech" Isn't Trump the same guy who sued Bill Maher over a joke? I really can't stand it when people claim to care about something and then support people who are guilty of doing the exact same thing they claim to care about. Regarding, "the next 4 years... pushing 3rd parties" I'm going to be pushing 3rd parties and the Green party regardless of who wins the Presidency but please stop pretending Trump will be better than Hillary in any sort of meaningful way. That is very naive.
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  1005. C Mac. No I think you misunderstood me. I was addressing CaLMCee. Regarding, "I support the Greens completely." Very wise. Regarding, "Since I was old enough to vote." I admit I'm later to the party than I should have been. I can't tell you how betrayed I feel by the "democratic" party for the support I've given them in the past.
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  1006. He tried to sell steaks at the Sharper Image. My point is that he is not smart.
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  1007. Andrea regarding, "Not smart, just lucky." He was lucky the DNC rigged the primary for Hillary and he was lucky that Hillary is probably the only general election candidate he could have beaten in the country.
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  1008. liyev regarding, "he is smart enough to know his audience" He is an idiot and so was his audience. Regarding, "That is the biggest reason that he won the election." The biggest reason he won the election was Hillary Clinton. Don't overthink it. The second biggest reason he won the election was corporate media giving him billions in free exposure. Donald Trump is about the 38th reason he was able to win. Actually it is more accurate to say that he won the election in spite of being Donald Trump. Regarding, "In a way, he won the election brilliantly" There was nothing brilliant about it. He did everything he could to lose but ultimately the existence of Hillary Clinton was too much to stop him from winning. Regarding, "We should stop underestimating him." I do not underestimate him but not because of his intelligence but rather because of his lack of morals, ethics, and principles.
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  1009. Samm regarding, "he is estimated to be worth around 4.5 billion" I'm talking about how smart he is. You are talking about money and his net worth. I assure you these are different things. The number one thing that enable the accumulation of wealth is having wealth in the first place. It takes money to make money. It doesn't take intelligence nearly as much. Trump has bankrupt casinos. Do you realize how hard that is? Regarding, "you're focusing on steaks" I'm focusing on his intelligence. The steaks were just a good example of someone being dumb as fuck. Regarding, "I noticed how you don't deny that you said he had little chance to win." I didn't think this was important to the discussion. I again don't think it has much to do with the topic I was talking about about his intelligence. I never said he had little chance but that has more to do with my opinion of the American public than it has to do with Trump. Regarding, "You voted for the DNC" Morons love to assume things. First the DNC wasn't running for office. I voted for Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein. I never voted for the DNC. The DNC is a disgrace. Regarding, "Both the DNC and the GOP are terrible organizations" Well we agree on something at least. Regarding, "You pretend the DNC is better" Where do you get this shit? Because I didn't talk about how the DNC sucks? They weren't the fucking topic. There are lots of things that I think but didn't bother to talk when my point is that Donald Trump is a fucking moron. Regarding, "Finally, you back a candidate who objectively screwed Bernie out of delegates" Did I? I understand why you backed Trump. You are both idiots. Regarding, "You deserve everything that came your way." This is funny and ironic. Remember you said this when Trump sucks balls. Regarding, "You pretend he's dumb with a superiority complex" I'm not pretending shit. He just is dumb and acts to feed his ego. Regarding, "but you backed a candidate" You might want to consider that every person who thinks Trump is a fucking moron didn't vote for Hillary. Before the election I was saying that I preferred Trump win so that the country might get a true progressive in 4 years rather than another corporate stooge. But don't let reality get in the way of your preconceived notions and dumbass assumptions. Don't assume you know everything about me because I'm rightfully calling your hero a fucking moron. Regarding, "had every outlet and organization behind her, with billions of dollars" Try to remember that the corporate media gave your king BILLIONS in free media and exposure. They would cover Trumps empty podium while Sanders would be speaking in front of record crowds. Regarding, "I only voted for him because..." Yeah. You are part of the problem. Another fucking moron who thought there were only 2 options. There weren't. Stop being part of the problem, refuse to give your vote for dogshit, and be part of the solution in the future.
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  1010. I couldn't care less if Hillary started talking to the left of Sanders on policy. Actions speak louder than words. She has zero credibility with me. Same as Trump. Anybody who believes anything either of these people say is making a mistake in my opinion.
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  1011. The proof is in the works? Sure. If you say so. I'm going to go ahead and wait for your alleged proof but sheep like you don't need proof do they. Faith is good enough for sheep.
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  1012. Anyone else besides me embarrassed that they ever called themselves a democrat? I won't be making that mistake again anytime soon. Join me, dump the dems.
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  1013. The public option would be for more basic health care. Private options would include better insurance for more money.
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  1014. Auceza there is so much irony in a Trump supporter saying things like, "weak excuses," and "Don't trust the Green Party." You make excuses for Trump. You support Trump. It would be funny if it weren't so scary that there are so many people that "think" like you.
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  1015. Auceza regarding, "If Trump doesn't deliver what he promised, i won't support him anymore." You strike me as the type who can rationalize almost anything. Consider me a skeptic of this statement. Regarding, "Actually there is no hint that he won't keep his word." Let's just consider the past 24 hours shall we. Trump has previously said, "I don't settle cases. I don't do it because that's why I don't get sued very often, because I don't settle, unlike a lot of other people. You know what, let's see what happens in court." But that was what he said while campaigning for office. He didn't even wait til taking office before proving he was lying. There is literally no reason to think he will keep his word about anything. He is capable of contradicting himself in the SAME FUCKING SENTENCE. That is not easy to do. Regarding, "I don't take rumours and gossip serious." I wish you could realize how similar you sound to Hillary supporters. You are just fucking delusional and capable of believing whatever you want to believe. He is a conman and you have bought into his BS. Regarding, "Jimmy" Jimmy is the man because he says what true progressives like myself think. If you think so little of him you should just fuck off. Regarding, "Trump doesn't put all his cards on the table" Neither did Hillary. She too had a public and a private face.
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  1016. I wish I had a dollar for every hillbot saying Hillary won fair and square. I'd give them all to Jill Stein. Goodbye DNC. Rigging elections is not acceptable.
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  1017. Gary Johnson wants to eliminate the department of education. I don't care how many ballots Jill Stein is on. I don't care what she polls at the day before the election. I will be voting for her because I think she would be, by far, the best president.
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  1018. Anyone else feeling full blown depressed that it's looking like either Hillary or Trump?
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  1019. It can't hurt.
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  1020. Sweet fear mongering. Ironic that democrats like to call republicans fear mongers. What if, hypothetically and understandably, I don't want either Trump nor Hillary to be President? What if I think there is something very wrong with the 2 party system? What if I am tired of people like you saying things like, "the race will be decided between only 2 opponents" especially when the 2 opponents you are talking about are 2 of the most despised politicians in the country? You say, "My candidate of choice would be Jill." But you don't plan to vote for her. You are the reason why "It's a sad truth..." I remember "But she does not have a real chance." being said about Sanders when he entered the race (except... ya know... they said he). And that type of self defeatist attitude didn't help him in the long run. Regarding, "A vote for Jill or any other third party candidate will be a vote Trump" Are you really so sure? If I were going to pick the lesser of two evils I think I would rather have Trump win. That said I am not about to support evil anytime soon and will be voting for Jill Stein. Regarding, "Supreme Justices." This is the democrats favorite fear mongering tool these days it seems. Other than maybe the ironic claims about war (hillary is a warmonger). But I was just wondering that, if this issue were as important as the dems claim it is... have you ever considered not confirming conservative justices? I mean, look at what the republicans are doing right now? I would think that if the issue were really so important then you would just obstruct unless republicans offered the type of terribly centrist justice republicans won't confirm. Meh. Let's be real, supreme court justices are of concern because democrats are pussies who cave on their morals... just like when they vote for such a terrible no good candidate like Hillary Clinton. Good luck with your continued efforts to fear monger thou. I'm going to go ahead an vote for the candidate I think would be the best President. If only you would do the same thing as well maybe people wouldn't get to say we only have two choices. Cheers!
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  1021. Victor regarding, "Is Hillary the lesser evil" Who cares? Evil is evil is evil is evil is evil is evil and the rest is just details for fools to talk about.
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  1022. Try to get her on the ballot if possible.
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  1023. I guess the DNC should have thought about that before rigging the primary. I guess Hillary should have thought of that before sucking her entire life. I'm sorry you have a problem with democracy. Good luck with the queen.
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  1024. Bob must be getting paid by "Correct the Record" by quantity not quality.
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  1025. Oculos regarding, "Try to keep your head up, we really have no idea where this could lead." The fact that we have no idea what is going to be next is what scares me. I expect Hillary will win rather easily (whether or not she has the votes). I do not think that is going to go well for the country. My best hope is that Republicans continue obstruction and she will be unable to get anything done. I fear they will get things done and that none of it will be for the better. I fear another bank bubble bursting soon. I fear tensions will, at best, get worse with Russia and, at worse, we will go to war with Russia. I fear continued dependence on fossil fuels and unwillingness to move toward renewable resources. I fear she will try to privatize social security to "save it." I think Obama signs the TPP but if he doesn't she will. I fear she will overturn Citizen's United (just kidding, like she would do that). I fear that terrible times under Hillary will lead to great backlash against the "left" even thou Hillary does not represent the left. I fear this ultimately leads to someone who is much worse than Trump following her from the right. Hopefully I'm just way wrong. Hopefully she is a great president and great for the country. It won't be the first time. I was very wrong to think that Obama was going to deliver on his promise of hope and change. Maybe I'll be wrong again about this. Time will tell. Regarding, "two emails" Are these from wikileaks or where did you get them? I'm curious to know what you are talking about but I value my privacy and don't want to get love notes from Erik and Bob. If you have links that would be better for me. Regarding, "it's good to see people who aren't easily swayed by manipulative words." There arguments are so terrible. We are suppose to believe, for example, that the Saudi Arabian government was giving millions of dollars to the Clinton foundation because they cared about humanitarian efforts?!? Who buys that? I guess there aren't any foundations in their own country they thought worthy to donate to. And the weapons deals that were going on at the same time were mere coincidence. Who could possibly believe that? There was another one of Hillary's CTR trolls who was saying that Trump was "100 times worse than Hilter." I fucking hate Trump but 100 times worse than Hilter?!? How is anyone suppose to take that seriously? I am so much more willing to believe in aliens. Hillary and Trump might be aliens for all I can tell. They sure don't seem human.
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  1026. Eric regarding, "how does that vote feel now" If you bothered to listen to anything I've had to say you would already know the answer to your question. What's wrong? Are you going to lose your job at "Correct the Record?"
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  1027. Bob regarding, "I've listened to what you've said and I already know that you'll feel great." Why am I not surprised you get it wrong. I would have felt great had Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders won. I do not feel great that Trump won. I do like that Hillary will not be President but that is hardly the same as being happy Trump won. I'm assuming you are out of a job. Take this opportunity to reevalute your life. Go get yourself a real job where you aren't lying to people. As it turns out people don't like being lied to or supporting a candidate who only won their primary by cheating. Go figure. Seriously, take this opportunity to do something better with your life.
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  1028. Bob regarding, "Better than caring for a relative with scizophenia, dimentia, incontinence, heart and lung problems 24 hrs/day" Clearly this was what I was referring to considering it is the first time you have mentioned it. I was obviously referring to you lying to people repeatedly on this thread and using terrible "logic" to defend a candidate who is indefensible. As for your better than caring comment I in all honesty don't find you to be credible in any way and tend to think you are lying because that is your MO. If not then take care of that person and do only that instead of spreading lies and stupidity in your free time.
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  1029. Peter S... I agree that all the drugs you listed are all wonder drugs (in that they have exceptionally valuable medical uses) but marijuana is not like them in one very important way... NOBODY DIES FROM MARIJUANA.
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  1030. Smaak. Your original statement was, "Another word for "wonder drug" is "snake oil"." I think this was a stupid statement because it implies that you think MJ is the equivalent of snake oil. I assume you mean snake oil to mean; something that is sold as medicine but that is not really useful or helpful in any way. MJ on the other hand absolutely has medicinal value and is very helpful in a variety of ways. But I guess you are just really hung up on the "wonder drug" part. I guess you are suggesting that wonder drug means it cures any and everything that could ail somebody. I guess you were saying that if only it were a real wonder drug we would be able to smoke it and be immortal if it were a real wonder drug. Nobody but you thinks that is the definition of a wonder drug. Merriam Webster's online dictionary defines wonder drug to mean, " a very effective drug." That is the definition I was using. I'm sorry I was not using your fantasy version to define wonder drug.
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  1031. Regarding, "There is nothing that "cures what ails ya". You are an idiot. Please remember you said this the next time you get sick and stick to your beliefs. Do not take any medicine of any kind if you sincerely believe something so stupid.
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  1032. It was Gore's fault. If Hillary loses it will be Hillary's fault. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth
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  1033. These are all symptoms of the over arching problem with our government.... money is corrupting our government at all levels.
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  1034. He was saying Trump would sign it if it were on his desk. Not that I agree with that.
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  1035. David Payne regarding, "Trump did not end TPP." If the TPP never gets signed it will be directly correlated to Trump winning. Time will tell and I still have my doubts. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets into office and ultimately signs it because he negotiated a great deal and because there is an extra comma and now it is amazing and great. We shall see.
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  1036. MTG regarding, "I wasn't even fooled ONCE." Good for you. You got say I told you so. Now you can move along and feel good about yourself for ONCE.
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  1037. kari regarding, "You know the saying" In my defense it isn't as if the Republicans give much of an alternative. It would be a lot easier if at least one major party represented the people.
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  1038. Jimmy Dore as usual is on point and accurate calling out people for their BS. Keep up the good work.
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  1039. If anybody wonders why we are so quick to go to war... there is a lot of money to be made in war.
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  1040. Michael regarding, "you just voted for Trump" Only a mental midget would think so. I'm sorry you are not smart enough to understand. Good luck with the queen.
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  1041. You might be right. If the dems actually support it in more than just rhetoric it would be only because they fear obamacare is falling apart and needs saving.
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  1042. I'd rather vote for a robot. They are more human.
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  1043. Term limits is dumb. Get money out of politics. That actually solves something.
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  1044.  @chasca23  They lose sight of who they are working for because they are being bribed.
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  1045.  @chasca23  Stop them from being bribed and you won't care how long they are in office.
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  1046.  @chasca23  Regarding, "Somebody 35 to 55 years older than their constituents cannot be responsive to the needs of the general public." Of course they can. This is just silly ageism. Regarding, "Both need to happen" Only one is a solution to the problems we face. There are benefits to having politicians with long records. That's how you know what you are getting. We should know that joe biden sucks because of his record. And if someone is actually doing a decent job that is actually representing the needs of their constituents then they should be rewarded and allowed to continue their job as long as they like for all I care. Do everyone a favor and focus your energy on the real problem... money in politics.
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  1047. As if someone can "win" a nuclear war. Are you ok?
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  1048. You think that rifle is going to help you against what the US government has? Good luck with that.
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  1049. @Badatallthis Stuff " they need to be lectured in order to understand how they were wrong." How exactly is someone suppose to realize that they are wrong if someone isn't "lecturing" them IE telling them why what they are saying is terrible? Of course if you are wrong about something you would benefit from a "lecture." That's literally what Jimmy does. And it's a good thing. Obviously.
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  1050. What an apt description of your comment.
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  1051. Regarding, "Learn to read" Holy shit is that funny coming you. Thanks for the laugh dipshit.
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  1052. He doesn't want your shoulder. He wants you to ditch the defeatism and fight.
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  1053. yes
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  1054.  @emptyarthaus9535  Regarding, "get used to wearing that non-medical diaper on your face" LMFAO. I can't imagine being such a pussy masks scare me.
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  1055. He has done more to expose the rot in the "democratic" party than anyone else on Earth but don't let that fact stop you from saying silly things.
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  1056. Ok, don't even bother to attempt to address my point and just go back to your stupid talking point then.
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  1057. Mark regarding, "what do you mean?" Holy shit. It really is not that fucking complicated. Let me try to break it down with you so that a fucking infant might understand... The fact of the matter remains that, like I said, "he has done more to expose the rot in the "democratic" party than anyone else on Earth." Would you like to dispute this? Do you disagree with this? Would you like to claim otherwise? I guess so because "Seth Rich" says dipshit. And the point of that is that, assuming what I said was true, contradicts your original idiotic "points." The fact of the matter is that first step in solving any problem is being able to admit and acknowledge there is a problem. Because of Sanders much of America is now in a place where they actually realize and are forced to face the fact of rampant corruption in their government (specifically the DNC) thanks in large part to Sanders. Regarding, "doesn't mean he was the big dog that exposed it" Are you fucking retarded? Do you actually think about and believe the stupid shit you say? You are talking about the politician who ran a campaign railing against money in politics, who refused to have a superpac, who called for a "political revolution," who immediately went back to being an independent after his campaign, who talked constantly about income inequality among other things for fucks sake. But apparently you were living in an alternate world where that wasn't the case.
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  1058. Regarding, "he knelt down and kissed the ring." So in other words you are willing to overlook all the good he has done because he endorsed Hillary Clinton. Try to remember what that was. It was a fucking endorsement but you act as if it was his fucking soul. When Sanders entered the "democratic" primary he agreed to endorse the winner. Sanders is loved, in part, because he says what he says he will do. Even after he "kissed the ring" like an idiot thinks team Hillary tried to do anything and everything to blame Sanders for losing. The only reason those attacks were unsuccessful was because Sanders gave them no ammo to attack him with. Had he not endorsed her he would been effectively blamed for the fallen queen losing. His ability to influence policy and his movement would have suffered a devastating blow. That didn't happen because he endorsed her. I fucking love Sanders but I don't care about his or anyone's endorsement because I'm not a fucking sheep. I happily voted for Jill Stein because it was my vote and no one else's. But you go ahead and continue to cry like a little bitch about it. I suspect you don't actually give a flying fuck about that endorsement. I suspect you are only talking about it because you think it is an effective way to smear Sanders. The establishment appreciates you doing their dirty work for them. You suck at life.
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  1059. Regarding, "she cheated" This is as close as you get to saying something that isn't dumb as fuck. You are right. She cheated. But that doesn't change the fact that SHE DID WIN and nothing Sanders could say or do was going to change that cold, hard, fucked up fact. Regarding, "the facts hurt you bad enough" You are mistaking. It isn't "facts" that hurt me. It is your stupid that hurts me and hurts this country.
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  1060. Just looked at your shit. Seems you like Alex Jones. Go figure. You pretend you care about that endorsement but clearly you don't. You just care about trying to smear him. You suck at life. Good luck with that.
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  1061. You just go ahead and dismiss everything I've said because of how I said it then. Sorry to trigger you. You are special snowflake and I'm sorry for every suggesting otherwise. Seriously thou you single handedly bring down the average intelligence of the human race by a point.
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  1062. Dore/Hedges 24!
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  1063. You say that like Aaron can't stand him because of his identity. It has everything to do with the fact that yang is a liar and conman.
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  1064.  @MrTorbz  Yang lied about supporting M4A while running for POTUS. Do you really need me to prove it? The info about it is there if you want to see for yourself.
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  1065.  @MrTorbz  Regarding, "Wasn't really a lie though" Of course it was. He said he supported m4a and then when he came out with a health care proposal it wasn't m4a. He fucking lied. Don't defend liars. It's what trump and biden supporters do for their clowns. Be better than that.
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  1066.  @MrTorbz  "It just wasn't Bernie's M4A," It wasn't m4a. Period. Not even the most generous definitions of m4a could be used to describe what he proposed. He fucking lied.
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  1067. Don't feel bad this money won't help ukrainains either. Unless you mean help ukrainains get killed.
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  1068. Meanwhile we keep having record breaking temperatures every year.
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  1069. Meanwhile the polar icecaps keep melting.
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  1070.  @abyssmanur3965  Trump U
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  1071. Or we go to war at the behest of the MIC.
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  1072. Look, I love diplomacy. I want peace. But the fact of the matter is that there is actually peace right now. I fear this could exasperate war. I don't trust Trump and I don't trust Un. There is actually less risk of war by doing nothing than those 2 dipshits meeting in my opinion. That said I would happily be wrong if it happens and goes well. But if doesn't go well, and I think it is very logical to think it won't. Then it may very well be the excuse the MIC needs to start another unnecessary war.
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  1073. Regarding, "any such meeting is a huge propaganda win." I agree with this. I personally think that is why Un would do this meeting more than anything and don't expect him to be willing to agree to much. He wins by meeting. But who knows... it is difficult to understand and anticipate people who are illogical. Regarding, "Making their regime feel more secure should improve the situation to conduct subsequent negotiation." Maybe. Regarding, "Trump and Un are both clueless dipshits, so should get on just fine." I see it turning into a competition of who has the biggest dick. Both of them are going to want to upstage the other. I do not see them getting along just fine. Regarding, "Trump’s cabinet are a bunch of personally corrupt scumbags" Yup. But regarding, "will delegate the work to people who want to achieve something useful." I wholeheartedly disagree and think that, to the administration full scale war is something that would see as "something useful." Regarding, "There isn’t any likely downside." Totally disagree. I could absolutely see full scale war resulting from this. Hopefully I'm wrong but I think fear of this is quite rational. Regarding, "Trump is a better President to have than Hillary would have been" Look. I fucking hate Hillary and I'm glad she will never be president but I would rather have her meeting Un than Trump even if not by much. But who is worse is totally fucking irrelevant at this point. Trump is president and he can't even shake hands like a normal human being for fucks sake. I suspect everything around the meeting will play out in much the same way... Trump trying to make up for tiny hands and show what a big swinging dick he is. And I fear Un is crazy enough and also has an ego big enough to foolishly give the US an excuse to wipe them off the planet. The more I talk about it the more I'm convinced this meeting is more likely to make things worse.
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  1074. There is a possibility that both "claim total victory," everyone is happy and we go further away from war. But I think the possibility that one or both of them say or do something stupid, that one or both of them take insult to something the other person does, or that a corporate media takes "insult" with something said or done (disingenuously or not) and the situation becomes worse (up to and including full scale war) and not better is clearly a valid fear. If Un were smart... I have little reason to think that he is smart. That said I am going to contradict myself a bit... I do think the meeting is smart of him as long as he isn't an idiot about it. I don't think he cares about selling product or even increasing his standing in the world, I think he wants to increase his standing with his people and give them reason to think he is on equal footing in the world. Regarding, "American Monster." That is how their government has portrayed America. They have really backed themselves in a corner. I'm not saying it is impossible for them to say America is the devil while at the same time visiting with the devils president but clearly that is not going to be easy for them to do. Look, here's the thing with me. I love diplomacy. I really do. It's just that I honestly don't see a lot to gain by diplomacy with NK. I don't consider them a real threat that it is important we deal with. That said I don't want them to get nukes because, at that point they could become more of an actual threat. So I guess maybe there is something to gain. But I also think this meeting is risky. I don't want full scale war with them and do see the possibility of it as an avenue to that happening. If this meeting happens and doesn't go well the MIC and the corporate media will do anything and everything to get another war. I'm not going to pretend I can say how this is going to play out. I clearly don't. I like Dore. I agree with most things he says but, in all honesty, I thought him acting as if there wasn't a potential downside of this meeting to be rather asinine. And you seem very reasonable. I agree with essentially everything you say but I think your original comment also ignores what I think is a very real possibility of this going wrong. We both want to stop the MIC. But I think this meeting may be exactly what they need to start war. Time will tell. I hope I'm wrong and I hope you are right.
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  1075. I mean seriously... as I read through the comments I think it is insane how many people don't see the real possibility of this meeting going bad and leading to full scale war. I'm not saying it definitely will happen but the notion that such a thing is impossible while America practices imperialism across the globe is fucking insane.
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  1076. It will have implications.
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  1077.  @rantsinpatwa  Actually it is.
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  1078. TYT isn't the left and it's not smearing when what you are saying is true.
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  1079. You are hypocritically smearing a guy on the left.
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  1080.  @christianwoods2950  "hows they now left" Um... what? "I'm not just talking about tyt" I don't really care. For example jimmy "smears" donald trump who is clearly on the "right" so your comment of, "all you do smear people on the left" is clearly, obviously, and demonstrably nonsensical. So why are you SMEARING him. And smearing is actually correct in my context because YOU are the one lying.
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  1081.  @christianwoods2950  "I still watch his video but all hes been talking about are people on the left" You have watched all his videos but you have never heard him trash trump? You are full of shit. He trashes trump all the time. Don't be a liar.
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  1082. At least they didn't link it to anything good. They made sure it was all bombs.
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  1083. jon ward regarding, "TRUMP IS EVIL JUST LIKE HILLERY" Yup. Seems pretty obvious. Thanks for that. I needed some faith in humanity restored after reading Pandora Rice and Town Drunk's idiotic comments.
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  1084. Except they never bothered to declare war in the first place so they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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  1085. It isn't about trust. It is about getting them on the record. The public is very slow but even they will vote people out when they flip flop on something that is important to them. We have to at least make them flip flop in the first place. We have to at least create consequences for those opposing it outright. Then when there are supposedly enough and when some of them betray us we vote them out as well. Look I don't trust them either. I wouldn't support practically any of them when they run even. I will continue to try and primary corporatists. But this isn't the time to attack those that are currently supporting this. Save that for when they actually are on the wrong side of an issue. That will likely be tomorrow. But attacking them for this is self defeating. How are you ever going to get people on your side when you attack them when they are actually doing the right thing?
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  1086. Thank you youtube for censoring. I'm sure that whatever comment you won't let me read is really bad. Thank you for keeping me and everyone safe from wrongthink. /s
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  1087. You are really making the point of revolutionary blackout in their video, "CIVILITY POLITICS is a TOOL of the Ruling Class"
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  1088.  @smitty6480  "I really don't understand how people are getting confused by basic english." Pretty funning considering the rest of your comment. Regarding, "He said that paying unconditional income would help people need welfare less" Pretty sure the people already getting welfare are the people that need the most help. But yang wants to give them the least help to no help. If you already get the equivalent of his UBI then you get NOTHING from him. You just trade in the benefits you have for UBI. And since he doesn't want to change anything else about the system all that money will just funnel to the top like it does now.
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  1089.  @schloops8473  LOL Your comment is what you say when you have nothing intelligent and of substance to offer.
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  1090.  @peasant7214  Got it. I'm just very used to getting attacked when the topic is yang. Yang scares the shit out of me. I think he is a great conman and look how far a terrible conman like trump and biden are able to get.
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  1091.  @w.iraheta3769  Regarding, "Raising the minimum wage and a FJG would also in theory gut the social safety net which was a key Bernie Sanders policy." Yeah.... the good way. That "gutting" would happen organically as a natural result of good policy. It wouldn't be the starting point to help pay for an actual UBI. Think about UBI means. It means UNIVERSAL basic income. That means it should be helping EVERYONE. Millionaires would get a check and benefit from Yangs UBI. Billionaires would get a check and benefit from yangs UBI. But if you are the poorest of the poor who receives more than yangs UBI offers then you gain NOTHING. It's not universal to you. It's worthless to you while billionaires get a check. Regarding, "A UBI would be one of the biggest if not the biggest social welfare reform in history helping millions of people out of poverty." Not the way yang wants to do it. Yang's version of UBI means he bribes you and in exchange he gets to gut the entire social safety net and he offers ZERO systemic change on top of UBI. He lies about supporting m4a. UBI is it. It's all he has. And you aren't willing to change the current system then all that UBI money will funnel to the top just like now making the rich even richer at incredible rates. A good UBI means it's paid for only by the rich and is put on top of the current system. It also isn't can't be just a bribe to keep the current shit system. We still need universal health care to raise the minimum wage, and more. I support UBI but I can't stand yang. Those ideas can and do coexist.
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  1092.  @winstonz  That's his story as of now at least according to him... the same guy who lied about supporting m4a. Who when asked the question has also first answered that he would gut the current social safety net, until he realized that pissed people off.
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  1093.  @winstonz  Regarding, "u sound like you like the current system." Because I keep criticizing yang for not wanting to change it in any sort of meaningful way outside of UBI? And that makes sense to you? Regarding, "At least you got what you want if that's the case." It's not what I want. But don't let that stop you from pretending like it's something I want in lieu of addressing something I've actually said. It's very intellectually dishonest of you and known as strawmanning.
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  1094.  @winstonz  I'm not willing to take a small bribe in exchange for real fundamental systemic change that would include things like: universal health care, a living wage, a PROGRESSIVE UBI, and more. I despise the current system. Yang seems pretty happy with it for the most part. He just wants his regressively paid UBI.
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  1095.  @w.iraheta3769  ""Those ideas can and do co-exist” what do you mean by that." When I said that it was to mean that lots of people act like liking yang and like UBI are linked. They are not. I like UBI but I do not like yang. Those are the ideas that coexist for me. "The opt-in option makes it an natural transition not a forced one." Acting like this is an option is asinine. Letting people "pick" between getting 200 dollars in benefits and 1K in benefit is not a choice. The decision is being made for them. The billions and billions of dollars that yang proposes to gut from the current social safety net is not a "choice." It's silly to act like it is and like this is an "opt-in OPTION." " It’s up to the individual who is receiving certain welfare benefits" I find myself imagining that if the topic was cashiers asking, "do you want to pay more for that?" with every item scanned you would say the same silly things. That you would pretend like this is a real "choice" for consumers. That it is "up to the individual." This is not actually what real choice looks like. "for the rest of their lives" LMFAO. This is not suppose to be a lifetime commitment. Not that it really matters. What does matter is that if you are currently receiving any benefits from the government that is less than 1K a month you will be the first person to pay for yangs ubi with that money even thou you are already one of the poorest of the poor and in the greatest need of extra money when a good UBI would be paid for by the rich and only by the rich.
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  1096. Fighting for m4a and exposing frauds gets old fast to you?
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  1097. The fact that so few people have actually signed the petition destroys my faith in humanity.
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  1098. It has nothing to do with gender and he wouldn't be talking about it if Hillary were actually smart enough to just go away. You want to blame someone for this video place the blame where it belongs... with Hillary Clinton.
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  1099.  @cjwaasdorp2478  You are overthinking my attempt at humor.
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  1100. I want it voted on regardless.
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  1101. Please go have a long talk with trump about that.
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  1102. It's not meant to be won.
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  1103. Your comment should come with a triggered warning.
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  1104. Money in politics is the problem. Fight for getting money out of politics, not for term limits.
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  1105. SIGN! THE! PETITION! Force the vote! At forcethevotedotorg
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  1106. Wrong... he will get rich.
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  1107. Fun fact: typing in all caps is a sign of mental illness.
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  1108.  @achakhakan4189  I feel like everyone might be talking about a different "she" since we are being vague AF in our comments.
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  1109. Fuck Rush Limbaugh and terrible people like him.
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  1110. He doesn't support biden or the "democratic" party but don't let that stop you from saying stupid things.
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  1111.  @wkinne1  For good reason. The same reasons he trashes biden and company. But you do you and make up whatever lies you want to tell in your OP. Clown.
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  1112. "France and Germany gives over $5000 per month" Citation required for bullshit.
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  1113.  @paulhartson1  Regarding, "do your own citation" My god you are stupid. Sorry for asking for evidence of your claim. But I'm the troll? GFY
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  1114.  @paulhartson1  I found an article about germany doing a trial ubi of 1k but nothing about 5 because you are full of shit.
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  1115. They don't have to "allow him." But if they do it should be fair. (Sadly it won't be.)
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  1116. I'm already pledging my support for Jimmy Dore. Dore 24!
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  1117.  @milesobrien2694  Yes.
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  1118.  @milesobrien2694  Regarding, "The extremes don't ever represent the majority." Jimmy's number one issue is m4a. That's not the extreme. It's what the entire world has and what the public wants. Regarding, "Mate and Jimmy preach to the same echo chamber claiming that only their picks are the true opinions. Get it?" They don't. This is. Just. Like. Your opinion. Man. Regarding, "OPINIONS are not facts." Thanks captain obvious. Do they ever say otherwise? Or are you just strawmanning the shit out of anything they would actually say.
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  1119.  @milesobrien2694  "It's too easy to be duped and deluded into thinking you live in a binary world." Some things actually are. There is right and wrong side to be on topics such as kids in cages, torture, and offensive war. Sadly it's too easy to dupe people into thinking some things, like topics like those, are not binary. I have litmus tests. It's another way of saying I have standards. You should too.
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  1120.  @milesobrien2694  "You can't even define "M4A"." Universal health care. It's like I can. Regarding, "A litmus test is not a standard for morality." So let's say I had a litmus test of "I don't vote for murderers" that wouldn't be a "standard for morality." Um... what? "Groupthink, mouthing slogans and claiming your way is the only correct way is demagoguery." I'm pretty sure actual groupthink would mindlessly embrace yang. Is saying "UBI" over and over a "slogan?" Or what do you even mean by "slogan?" I'll ask before assuming you can't define it. "It's America's largest export." Pretty sure it's the bombs. Something we are against. Sorry not sorry if that triggers you.
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  1121. I guess so since you are crying like a baby.
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  1122. So you don't believe him because you disagree with a tactic? That is pretty fucking stupid. Winning 3rd party is not easy. It's not like getting the most electoral votes would have been good enough you know.
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  1123.  @climjames  It can always get worse. But I trust that jimmy would do good.
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  1124. "you said they ruined your life" As in that was their goal. "now you say they didn't" As in they failed. "we still dont know why your are angry" Because the fact that they failed doesn't actually make it any better.
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  1125. "you lefties make you're selfs look stupid" Holy shit that is funny, just not how you intend. Thanks for the laugh dipshit.
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  1126. I think it makes more sense that he's covering for his fellow affiliates. He doesn't mention the blatant conflict of interest even when it's about TYT.
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  1127. If you believe what you wrote you are an idiot.
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  1128. Amazing you don't realize you are strawmanning the argument being made to you.
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  1129.  @raffriff42  "That's Obama you're thinking of" Nope. It was both. Sorry if the truth hurts. "Economic relief for people was a bad thing?" The largest upward transfer of wealth in history. "Stopped 0 wars" Yeah. There were a lot to choose from. "Started 0 wars" Despite his best efforts and it's not like there were too many new countries to start them with. "built by Obama" Does that make it ok are you just unserious? "you're gonna have to explain this" If a foreign government assassinated a US official like the hit trump ordered on sulimani I suspect you wouldn't need it explained... I suspect you would have little trouble realizing what it's obviously a war crime in addition to all the drone bombs that killed civilians under his watch. You are tough to take seriously but that's pretty obvious if you need it explained to you why trump is terrible.
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  1130.  @raffriff42  How do you clowns manage to get you head so far up the arce of a politician like this?
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  1131.  @anderander5662  "I thought he got rid of ISIS as a threat" He didn't. "I didn't realize he started the Ukraine War." He "only" gave them a bunch of weapons before it. "the cages you mentioned were built and used by your Saint Obama" Does that make it ok? Does it matter I don't support Obama? Or are you just deflecting because you are unserious?
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  1132.  @anderander5662  "That's funny..." Sorry not sorry if the truth hurts. Just call it fake news like a clown.
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  1133.  ezsticker6370  "yes, he did" I'll point out the same thing to you that I do obama supporters.... if they actually did a good job would the public have replaced them with absolute clowns after them?
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  1134.  ezsticker6370  "brain damage" This is funny coming from someone who doesn't even attempt an argument. "Fake news" I don't watch corporate media because they don't have arguments or anything intelligent to say... just like you!
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  1135.  @beeman4266  "didn't have any wars started when he was president" We were already at war with pretty much everyone and like I said he stopped 0 wars and continued all the MANY wars left to him.
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  1136.  @beeman4266  "kids in cages was BS and they were built by Obama" Were they "built by Obama" or was it "BS?" Tough to take you seriously when you speak out of both sides of your mouth. Obama making them and biden continuing them doesn't change what trump did in the middle which was the same as them both. If you don't care about it all the time you are just a partisan hack and unserious person.
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  1137.  @beeman4266  "Economy was doing phenomenal, stock market too." Meanwhile, in reality, covid happened and you are not a serious person engaging in reality.
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  1138.  @beeman4266  "better president than Biden" That's as "impressive" as being a better president than trump... it's not. I don't care which piece of poo you think smells better. It's still poo.
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  1139.  @beeman4266  "more people died" So instead of caring about the people who died on his watch you are doing this. It's pathetic and the same types of "arguments" dems try to make.
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  1140.  @beeman4266  "still didn't start any wars" He really tried when he assassinated a foreign official of a government we didn't have a declaration of war with. He gets credit for all the many, many, many wars he continued. "they'd have roasted him for it" Imagine thinking this is a legit rationalization for his actions. I accept this as much as I accept it from biden supporters... I don't.
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  1141.  @BasementPepperoni  "DRUMPF trying" And biden supporters claim republicans are why biden can't get the people nice things. It's just pathetic excuses from a bootlicker.
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  1142.  @BasementPepperoni  "typical response" This is funny because your response is nothing but name calling and non arguments. "it's ALWAYS the fault of someone else, right?" No one here including myself is saying that but don't let that stop you from strawmanning instead of something more intelligent. "Facts and logic don't care about your "fee fee's"" This is funny because your comment doesn't include a single fact or logical argument. Instead you are giving namecalling, strawmanning, and nonsense.
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  1143. @Melvin Deeply "What's he doing here? Is this comedy?" It's elitism.
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  1144. "why did he cancel the keystone pipeline." Because it was a politically inconvenient pipeline. Why did he open a hundred different pipelines at the same time?
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  1145. Correction, "New federal data shows the Biden administration approved 3,557 permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands in its first year, far outpacing the Trump administration’s first-year total of 2,658." So... thousands of pipelines, not a hundred.
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  1146. "You're dumb sometimes jimmy." This makes me giggle all things considered at least.
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  1147.  @jamessudbury6006  "did you also compare trumps first year with obamas 5th year?" I wasn't comparing anything. The article that I was getting the fact that biden has approved thousands of pipelines has. Don't you feel a little silly trying to give him credit for shutting down a single pipeline as he opens thousands more? Or are you just easily impressed by corrupt people?
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  1148.  @jamessudbury6006  "Is that how it works?" Biden gets credit for shutting down a single pipeline even as he opens thousands more? Is that how it works?
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  1149.  @jamessudbury6006  You: "how about that one time biden took a step forward because it was a particularly inconvenient pipeline?" Me: "what about the 3557 steps back?"
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  1150.  @jamessudbury6006  "why don't you compare trumps last year with Biden first year?" Because it's irrelevant to the point being made. Why do you keep trying to deflect from the fact that biden is approving thousands of pipelines and you are trying to give him credit for shutting down a single pipeline?
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  1151.  @jamessudbury6006  My questions are rhetorical but still it would nice if you would try to answer them the way I answer yours.
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  1152.  @jamessudbury6006  "you'll never know why gas shot up in price." Were we talking about why gas shot up in price or are you just proving my point that you are deflecting? If you don't answer my simple and direct questions I don't think you can learn. "why gas shot up in price." Because biden is playing a sanction war with russia and losing badly.
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  1153.  @jamessudbury6006  " Biden first year you'll never know why gas shot up in price" If bidens first year with 3K plus new pipelines caused gas prices to skyrocket then trumps first year of only 2K plus pipelines caused gas prices to skyrocket then right? Because that's how it works according to you? Oh wait...
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  1154. If you haven't already done so please take your money out of the banks. Use credit unions.
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  1155. "I have no idea WTF JD is talking about when he says hello if they cut the Federal gas tax that there's no guarantee that the oil companies will just take it by jacking up prices." LMFAO It's not rocket science. "talks like..." No. He doesn't. You are inferring. And if the tax is removed, and their product should be cheaper, there is NOTHING that would stop them from just jacking up the price at the same time so that you save nothing. This isn't nearly as hard as you make it and you are strawmanning what is actually said here. You said it correctly in the first sentence but failed to understand simple words and concepts.
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  1156.  @demounit2505  Huh?
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  1157.  @timn5008  And thank you.
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  1158.  @timn5008  Regarding, "Of course one should not support evil. Pretty obvious." I agree that it should be obvious but lots of people don't seem to think so. How many people voting for trump think he is terrible? That he is evil. But they are going to vote for him anyway because they think he is the lesser evil. And how many people voting for biden think he is terrible? That he is evil. But orange man bad. So the lesser evil is getting their support. Regarding, "But there seems to be disagreement on what constitutes evil." No doubt. And we can all have conversations about what is evil and what isn't. For this conversation thou it's simple. It's just, don't support evil. I get to decide for myself what is evil and you get to do the same. We don't need to agree with each other about what is evil. But whatever I decide is evil... I won't support. And everyone else should say the same even if we have disagreements about what constitutes evil. Regarding, "I think it's evil to sanction other countries" You added more context but I'm going to address this without it. I am ok with countries using sanctions. Not for the specific purpose of getting, "citizenry to rise up and overthrow a government," but as a way to resolve differences among nations without going to war. But if, at the end of the day you disagree with me and conclude that sanctions are evil then you shouldn't be supporting them. Because you shouldn't support what you think is evil.
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  1159.  @deirre  I guess youtube deleted my response to you because they thought I was being too mean. So be it. Your drivel really wasn't worthy of an intelligent response anyway.
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  1160.  tw_bass  Regarding, "Stop watching and reading so much "Fake News"" This is your response to my comment? Really? Just ignore and deflect from the point I was making to make assumptions and criticisms about where I get my news even though you don't know where I get my news and it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand? Ug. If you have convinced me of anything it's that humanity is doomed.
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  1161.  tw_bass  Regarding, "calling someone dumb" Huh? Is this suppose to be English for something? Regarding, " did you even comprehend what she said?" I admit I can't comprehend the point you are making as you make zero effort to offer any context whatsoever. And the fact that I don't comprehend you is just fine with me.
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  1162.  tw_bass  You got me. There is absolutely nothing wrong with "calling someone dumb, did you even comprehend what she said?" That is just perfect English and well said. I guess I just didn't realize it before because I'm so jealous of your intellect and writing. Shakespeare would certainly agree.
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  1163.  tw_bass  calling self smart, talking like Tarzan.
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  1164.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, " I am sorry, that comment was intended for Clint Holmes." And it was just as dumb to intend it for me. But thanks for the laugh.
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  1165.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "what corrupting" In the age of information ignorance like this is a choice. I'm not going to waste my time telling you why trump is corrupt anymore than I'm going to waste my time telling you why biden is corrupt. They just are. Take my word for it. Regarding russiagate. No. I'm not talking about russiagate. Regarding, "If trump is a racist," He is. Regarding, "Biden is a mega racist." Biden is also racist. But I thought you wanted to talk about trump? Maybe stay on topic. Don't deflect. Both sides do it. It's infuriating and stupid. Regarding, "Obama was..." Fuck obama. Do you want to talk about him or do you want to talk about trump? Stop deflecting. Regarding, "You seem to be a person that believes everything the media tells you," Corporate media is propaganda. You sound like a waste of my time. Regarding, "Trump is the only person in the world that is guilty before proven innocent" LMFAO
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  1166.    Think what you want for all I care. So dumb.
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  1167.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "of course you wont," Sorry not sorry. I also don't waste my time telling flat earthers why the earth isn't flat, and for the same reasons. It's just not a good use of time.
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  1168.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "so trump is corrupt and a racist, but you cant say why?" Of course I can say why. But why should I have to? This is captain obvious shit. Do you want me to tell you why the earth isn't flat next? I also called trump a war criminal in the same post and gave you a very specific reason as to why. Weird you don't address it all.
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  1169.  @cctv5348  Actually I have infinite choices when it comes to my vote.
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  1170.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "dropped no nukes." LFMAO. Polish that turd. Even obama biden democrats can say this.
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  1171.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "what principles and values do you really hold ?" Maybe just stick to the one I gave of "don't support evil." Especially since it's the most relevant for the conversation at hand. I'm not really in the mood to give you a comprehensive list of all my principles and values.
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  1172.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "how so, it would seem your options are finite." I can write in literally anything. The options are infinite.
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  1173.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "i dont believe obama was charged with dropping nukes prior to his presidency," Huh? Are you saying this like trump was "charged" with dropping nukes or something? What is charged suppose to mean in this context. Ultimately neither obama biden democrats nor trump have dropped nukes.... as if this is something that might impress me about either. It doesn't. It's akin to bragging that either haven't blown up the moon. Like... so what.
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  1174.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "do you believe everyone on the right believes that?" No. Do you think I think that or are you just being stupid?
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  1175.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "He hates all, but in the end he wants you to vote blue no matter who." LMFAO. Strawman much? Just ignore my trashing of biden and you do you. Moron.
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  1176.  @cctv5348  Regarding, " i see you edited your reply" Is that a problem? I'm not going back and changing meaning or something except when I might type too fast and forget an important word like "not." Regarding, " i mean he was charged with being a high risk factor in regard to the deployment of nuclear weapons." Not by me. Even if I had talking about this like it would impress me is crazy. Didn't launch nukes. LMFAO. How about we just stop talking about this forever. It's not relevant.
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  1177.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "not a good use of your time?" Yup. Are you under the impression I've never wasted some of my time before? Or are you just being stupid as always.
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  1178.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "why use such a poor example" It's a great example. It's known as a "reductio ad absurdum" argument in logic. Regarding, "hitler and churchill would have been a far better example." LMFAO. Um... no. This is a nonsensical example. I don't think churchill is evil. This is not as hard as you are making it.
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  1179.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "So what you are saying is..." What I'm saying is that there are rules in the international community. We have actions that have specific labels. The action of assassinating a public official of a foreign government is a war crime. I consider war crimes are evil. I don't support evil.
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  1180.  @alexandernerep152  Are you ok with war crimes or not? This is rhetorical. It seems clear you are.
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  1181.  @alexandernerep152  Regarding, "he wants to bring home soldiers, but it hard when democrats stop him when ever he tries." LMFAO Trump is commander in chief, he can do WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS when it comes to this. He doesn't need congress to "declare peace" so that he can bring the troops home. It's on him. You could be an Olympic mental gymnast if that were a thing.
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  1182.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "Churchill unleashing the black and tans on the irish" I am not an expert on churchill. I even concede I'm quite ignorant about him considering his role in history. From my layman's understanding of him I don't consider him to be evil. Furthermore this is nonsensical because hitler and churchill didn't run a campaign against each other. You are talking about alliances in war. It's so apples to oranges it's asinine. Regarding, "id deem trump as the lesser of two evil" That's you calling trump evil. That's not my opinion of him.. it's yours. So you are cool supporting evil. It's too bad. And far too common.
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  1183.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "perhaps you are not as wise as you think. Bloody sunday is..." You are conflating wisdom and knowledge. They are very different even if they are related. And how "wise" do you think I think I am? I just conceded my lack of knowledge about churchill and you acting I think I know everything when I just told you I don't. Maybe you are not as wise as you think. This whole conversation is nonsense. Tell you what... Let's say I thought Churchill was evil. Let's say I thought Churchill was a war criminal. Would that stop me from joining with allied forces in WW2? No. It wouldn't. Because your analogy is nonsense. Because joining WW2 isn't "supporting churchill," a single individual, obviously. It's supporting the allied forces against the nazis. And that is NOT EVIL. Even if I thought Churchill was.
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  1184.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "Smoking a joint is the lesser of two evils compared with injecting smack." Except neither are actually evil. Injecting smack is stupid. But not evil. At least in my opinion. Regarding, "It doesnt make the joint smoking evil. " LMFAO. Yeah. That's exactly what it means. It's being called evil. Words have meaning. And you are using them wrong.
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  1185.  @TheGodsrighthandman  Regarding, "And WHO gets to decide what is 'evil'? We do. I get to decide for myself and you get to decide for yourself. But whatever you determine is evil is ABSOLUTELY something you shouldn't be supporting. Tell you what... I'm just going to copy and paste what I've already written very early in this thread... "Regarding, "But there seems to be disagreement on what constitutes evil." No doubt. And we can all have conversations about what is evil and what isn't. For this conversation thou it's simple. It's just, don't support evil. I get to decide for myself what is evil and you get to do the same. We don't need to agree with each other about what is evil. But whatever I decide is evil... I won't support. And everyone else should say the same even if we have disagreements about what constitutes evil."
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  1186.  @TheGodsrighthandman  Regarding, "Is Trump evil?" He is a war criminal and evil.
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  1187.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "Its not wise to defend someone as not evil when your definition of evil would include the person that you admittedly thereafter had a very sparse knowledge base about." Maybe so. Maybe it isn't wise for me to have said I didn't think Churchill is evil based on my overall knowledge of him. I'll give you that. But try not to lose focus of the point. Let's not make apples to oranges comparisons. Let's not act like there isn't a difference between picking an alliance in a war and voting. The difference is large. Regarding, "I dont believe my introduing you to some history is unkind. Im not sure how you see me pointing out that by your own definition it would seem Churchill would qualify as evil, when you stated in ignorance of his historical knowledge that he wasnt, is unwise." I don't mind a history lesson. I do mind tangents and prefer to stay on topic. I'm talking about voting. You are talking about alliances in war. Sure the "don't support evil" part extends over both. But you are talking about a war and a person as if they are interchangeable and the same thing. It's silly. The war =/= churchill. Regarding, "who do you ally with trump v biden." Neither. Both are evil. And here we are talking about individuals. Not a nation. Regarding, "enabling a greater war criminal" So 1984. Voting for good is enabling evil and voting for evil is good according to the ministry of truth.
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  1188.  @cctv5348  Regarding, "as a substance injected or smoked heroin is an evil substance." I can agree with that. But it isn't what you said before. Before it was, "injecting smack." Injecting smack is an action. Smack itself is an object. Apples and oranges. Regarding, "You can call heroin users stupid if you like," I can. But I didn't. I said I thought the action of shooting up is stupid. Action of shooting up =/= a person shooting up. Very different. Just like apples and oranges. I'm tired. And tired of apples and oranges comparisons.
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  1189.  @TheGodsrighthandman  Regarding, "He's shot one Iranian," A government official we don't have a declaration of war with. That's a war crime. I suspect you would have little trouble understanding this reality if roles were reversed and Iran did the same thing to us.
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  1190.  @TheGodsrighthandman  Regarding, "Your TDS is off the scale there, son " You got some orange balls on your chin.
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  1191.  @TheGodsrighthandman  Regarding, "Then keep what you consider evil to YOURSELF!" No.
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  1192.  @TheGodsrighthandman  Regarding, "Disseminating who/what you consider evil is tantamount to trying to influence others which drectly contradicts your statement about making your own decision on the subject" LMFAO. Everyone can decide for themselves and any "influence" I have doesn't change that.
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  1193.  @TheGodsrighthandman  I'm not stealing your free will to make decisions for yourself by speaking. You are just silly.
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  1194.  @TheGodsrighthandman  God doesn't exist. Best change your name. I've decided for you. Cause that's how it works right?
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  1195. Helped stop NY from giving billions of dollars to Jeff Bezos.
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  1196. Why shouldn't it be a right? It is a need. Your telsa on the other hand is not a need.
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  1197.  @TruthFreedomStrength  Regarding, "you don't get to decide what is a need. I say I need therefore I need it." You are impossible to take seriously. We don't get have an opinion about what are needs. You are just an idiot. Good luck with that.
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  1198.  @TruthFreedomStrength  Please just shut up. You are making everyone dumber.
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  1199. Who? I'm pretty sure the answer to your question is no.
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  1200. "western values?" What are those exactly? And who represents them? People like biden? Take your "western values" and shove them.
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  1201. "enemy of free speech" This is funny because there is only a coins flip chance that my original reply to you is being shadowbanned. The only speech that is guaranteed to be "free" is that of their narrative.
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  1202. Regarding, "Does it sound like a joke genius?" I didn't think so. I thought you were just stupid but I was hoping, for your sake, that it was just a joke. As it turns out the only joke is you huh? That is too bad for you. Regarding, "Simple, they aren't facts. 75% of what Jimmy says about Obama are lies, smear, or half truths." First, you are wrong. I suspect you realize this otherwise you correct him instead of just stomping your feet. Second, even if what you say is true (which again it isn't), maybe Jimmy is just stupid... and that wouldn't make him racist. And for you to say he is racist shows that you are really, really stupid.
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  1203. It's like you are getting your talking points from the DCCC.
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  1204. michael regarding, "How many times?" Twice (as I hang my head in shame). I was enthusiastic about it in 2008. Obama gives a great speech, he voted against the Iraq war and I was very happy to vote for the "peace" candidate. By 2012 I was not at all enthusiastic about it but I admit I still did. I had considered myself a democrat all my adult life and still saw them as being better than the Republicans at the time. I concede it probably took more time than it should have to realize that the 2 major parties aren't different in any sort of meaningful way and the biggest lesson I think I've learned is follow the money. My trust in a candidate is going to be directly correlated to how they raise the money for their campaign.
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  1205. FYI this sexist Bernie Bro happily voted for Jill Stein for President in 2016 and plans to support Sanders again in 2020 if he runs.
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  1206. James he wasn't born in Kenya. Stop acting like an idiot. There are plenty of legit things to say if you want to put him down. Stick to those if you want to make him look bad otherwise you only make yourself look bad.
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  1207. Ok James Gray. (rolls eyes, slowly backs away)
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  1208.  @josephweeks3815  I think Carter was pretty anti war as well and the hostages were just a means to get rid of him.
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  1209.  @blacknap0le0n56  "stealing insinuates lying" They are clearly not the same even if you can rightfully put them into a category of "things bad people do."
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  1210.  @blacknap0le0n56  I got this thread confused with another thread and I made a response to you that was bad and I deleted it quickly after realizing my mistake. My comments here are not meant to be taken too seriously and don't really care about engaging in this further. Peace.
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  1211.  @russellbarbee6974  "There's no significant difference." I suspect you would understand the difference if I told you bullshit versus stole your car. They are pretty fucking different. Obviously.
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  1212. I just had horse food... aka corn.
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  1213. They are merely the one paying the bill, not "running" it.
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  1214. It's the dems job to give you crumbs and keep you placated and it's working.
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  1215. How many replies can everyone see in the "land of the free?"
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  1216. Yeah this was just like CNN says total fucking idiots.
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  1217. You are a moron. Good luck with that.
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  1218. No he didn't. Stop acting like he voted yes. He didn't. There is no real difference between a non vote and a no vote.
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  1219. Yes he did but that doesn't mean I care for your whataboutism argument.
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  1220. It was an endorsement... nothing more. Stop pretending it was his soul. I was and still am a supporter of his who wanted Sanders to tell Hillary and the DNC to go fuck themselves but I get it. He didn't want to be blamed for Trump winning and can you really blame him after watching Trump in action? Again I fucking love Sanders but I didn't give a crap who he endorsed. Only sheep vote based on someone else's endorsement and Sanders supporters are not sheep like the general public. I happily voted for Jill Stein and would do so again if the same election were today.
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  1221. I can tell how out of touch he is by the way he reaches average americans.
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  1222. pink pearl regarding, "YOU said no one had heard of him." Yeah well I gave you more credit than I should have for being able to use context. I had no idea you were going to take it literal and think I was saying absolutely nobody in the world had heard of him including his mother. How fucking dumb are you? The point, not that you seem capable of understanding even the simplest of ideas, is that compared to people like Lady Gaga and Kim K he is completely unknown and only a fucking moron like yourself would think to compare them and try to put them in the same category. Regarding, "how do you justify Jimmy's coverage of Woody Allen's commentary on Weinstein?" I don't need to justify jack fucking shit. Jimmy can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. He can go ahead and cover Louis CK if he wants. But I suspect that the reason Jimmy covered Woody Allen's commentary on Weinstein for the same reasons he covered Weinstein. It includes the phrase "on Weinstein" for fucks sake. How the fuck are you so dumb you don't know the answers to your own idiotic questions? Regarding, "At least Sam Seder had the balls to discuss CK." Now it all starts to make sense. You are a Sam Seder ball sucker. Go watch him them fuckface instead of trying to invent stupid conspiracy theories as to why Jimmy is not talking about Louis CK. You two deserve each other because you are both fucking morons.
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  1223.  @TheBelegur  "I thought Kayleigh McEnany and Dana Perino where good." "good" They are professional liars. Is being a better liar really "good?"
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  1224.  @TheBelegur  I recommend some george carlin standup on politics. He had it figured out in a time when it was FAR harder to see it. "it's a big club and you ain't in it." "they don't give a f about you. AT ALL!" -carlin
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  1225.  @TheBelegur  In a sane world the president themselves would answer questions. But then they would be held accountable for the lies. That's why those people have jobs. To tell lies on behalf of corrupt politicians.
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  1226.  @TheBelegur  "If fake news wasn't twisting everyone words..." Is it better when they censor? This comment of yours is being shadowbanned.
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  1227.  @TheBelegur  "his right to free speech" It's ironic that you think you and him have free speech in the same thread that your words are being shadowbanned.
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  1228.  @TheBelegur  "I could care less." They said while AGAIN being shadowbanned. But you did give your own a comment a thumbs up. That must mean you are really onto something. /s
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  1229.  @TheBelegur  "If I am not for me who will be?" I'm going to care that you are being censored even if you don't care about it.
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  1230.  @TheBelegur  "I am woefully ignorant of it." Let's just say that if we actually had free speech then you would be able to read all the replies that youtube says is there. But threads where you can read all the replies are all but non existent.
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  1231.  @TheBelegur  "I am woefully ignorant of it" It's arguably more sinister than outright censoring because when that happens you KNOW your message isn't going out. But they shadowban so that you can think your comment can be seen even when it can't. I'm only aware of some of your comments because they show in my notifications... but if I were just some random looking at the thread or by myself when signed out then several of your comments in this thread cannot be seen.
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  1232. Everybody knows they are not free as in they don't cost money. But they are free in that they are being paid for by the person getting the benefit at the time. The people who want to attack someone on that grounds isn't to be taken seriously regardless. They are not going to be appeased by re-branding. They will still call you a communist and other stupid shit.
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  1233. Sure he did but don't let the facts get in the way of you lying.
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  1234. Trump being a POS isn't a logical reason to vote for Biden anymore than Biden being a POS is a logical reason to vote for Trump.
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  1235. She had the chance to be a hero and ride the momentum all the way to the WH. Instead she is losing all the credibility she had with the people that got her where she is. If she wanted the cushy life she is fucking up.
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  1236. Does it really matter if he's an egomaniac if he has great ideas? Or if anyone is going to be an egomaniac shouldn't it be the person with great ideas?
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  1237. As if I do twitter or facebook.
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  1238. All of that is idiotic. Forgive me for not being willing to get into any details. There is too much to correct.
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  1239. Koss regarding, "You don't hear the stories from these people who have had family members die because they had to wait to long or because the quality wasn't good enough." You do know that there are millions of people without health insurance in the USA right? You do know that we pay far far more per person for insurance that the rest of the world right? You do know that the USA actually gets WORSE results for health care than other countries right? Like I said everything you say is idiotic. Why am I even bothering?
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  1240. Koss seriously I can't correct everything you write. But I'm going to just this once for your last reply... Regarding, "it sucks" Ok. This isn't a stupid thing to say. This is spot on. Unfortunately it all goes downhill from there. Regarding, "If you let the government take it over you will get a low quality product for a high price." No. Fortunately we have countries that we can be compared to. Canada for instance. And their existence proves that what you are saying is wrong. Regarding, "The VA" The VA despite it's problems is MORE POPULAR THAN THE PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY. Regarding, "post office" Is pretty fucking amazing to me. The amount of mail they handle and how long it takes all seems like a bargain compared to the price IMO. Regarding, "single payer healthcare that worked but it won't because of the government." There is no perfect system but the government is better than a for profit private health insurance industry who does nothing to improve care but whose sole purpose is to make money. And make money they do. They take BILLIONS out of the system every year that would be better used to provide coverage. They waste money on advertising. And they are incentivized to provide less coverage if it allows them to make more money. They are uniquely terrible even more so than the government. Lastly the nature of insurance is that the more people you cover the more the costs go down and it only makes sense to put everyone in the pool seeing as how EVERYONE NEEDS COVERAGE. There isn't a single person in the world that can safely go without health care insurance. Seriously I'm done with you. I know it is lazy but I only have so much time.
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  1241. Koss regarding, "I agreed with you and you still want to argue" I can be a real dick and I have a problem with all the BS arguments against. To me this is such a no brainer that I have little to no tolerance for the bullshit against it. Regarding, "Maybes single payer will work and maybe it won't" Canada and other countries prove it can work even if not perfectly. We just need people and politicians with the will to make it work. Regarding, "government doesn't have a great track record of taking something and making it better." I can understand this point because our government is filled with people who have a vested interest in making government bad. Still I am going to fight for good government. It isn't going away anytime soon so it may as well be the best government possible. Regarding, "If the post office was so awesome then why did fed ex and ups have to come in and do what they did better, faster, and cheaper?" I can't speak intelligently about this. I mail something about once a year but I guess I've never had a problem with the post office. I guess maybe (and I'm absolutely just speaking off the cuff) Fedex and UPS are able to pay their employees less but I have no idea honestly. Regarding, "They VA is popular to people who don't have to deal with it." No. These are opinion polls based on the people they serve. People who use the VA are happier with it (not the be mistaken with perfect) than people who use the private health insurance industry. Regarding, "He literally had to wait a month for them to tell him he had mouth cancer." I'm not sure what to say about this. Again nothing is going to be perfect. Wait times are going to happen everywhere. I assure you they happen in the private for profit health insurance industry as well. They are ultimately the biggest problem with the VA... wait times. The service they provide after you see somebody is considered to be superior than what the private industry provides because the private for profit industry is more concerned with making money than actually providing care. Regarding, "All I want people to do is weigh the pros and cons before they go into this head first." There are 3 major things I consider be important when it comes to pros and cons. 1. The number of people the system covers. Currently millions do not have insurance. 2. The cost person for health care. Currently Americans pay far, far, far more per person for health insurance compared to other countries. 3. Results. Americans actually receive worse care than other countries. For example compare infant mortality rates in the US to other countries.
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  1242. Grant regarding Medicare. And Medicare is for the high risk pool. It covers the most expensive people to cover... the people the private for profit health industry would happily cut loose as soon as they can when it is cheaper to do so.
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  1243. Ok Koss whatever you say. I'll happily stop wasting my time here. I knew it was a bad idea from the start and should have trusted my gut.
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  1244. You probably think Tilleman is "controlled" as well.
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  1245. jewelry regarding, "Until Bernie decides there is no longer any use in attempting to infuse the democratic party with progressives" There might be a time for this but I don't think it is now. I confess that for a brief time I thought that time was during the "democratic" convention in 2016. I wanted Bernie to go on the stage and tell them "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you, I'm out and running with Jill," Half Baked style. Ultimately he didn't and I'm currently glad he didn't. Takeover of the "democratic" party is crazy valuable and because he didn't run with Jill we still have the chance to do it. Running with Jill would have also been risky. If Trump wins Sanders is blamed for it. Shit they still try to blame him for it, it is just that they are not successful at it because he gave them no ammo to use. And if Trump would have won the cause would have been forever hurt. Dems love to blame Nader for GWB but imagine how they would have blamed Sanders for Trump. But there still might be a time to say enough is enough. If superdelegates are used to usurp the will of the voters (like they have never done) I would certainly be insisting on Sanders running 3rd party. But I would cross that bridge if/when we would get there. I don't actually see that happening.
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  1246. jewelry regarding, "you left out" I assure you I was not trying to take you out of context but rather I am just trying to make clear the point of yours that I was addressing. Regarding, "until I hear different from Bernie" Clearly I love Bernie and trust Bernie but I will never blindly follow someone. Even Bernie is capable of being wrong and I will say so when I think he is. But this is really nitpicky. Clearly we essentially agree on everything. You must be very smart. :)
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  1247. danny regarding, "it'll take you less than the 33 years" I am not young and think we are probably about the same age not that it really matters. Regarding, "you will have had your energy" I'm just happy to still have some energy and am happy to get energized by anything these days. The idea of taking over the party gets me fired up. Regarding, "time" Since you think time is important, how long until you think a 3rd party is going to have a legit chance in the presidential election? Regarding, "money." I can't imagine anyone that donates money to a party. When I donate money I give it directly to the people I want to see elected. Regarding, "The DNC's..." The party leadership is a dumpster fire. We don't disagree on this and you don't need to tell me the ways they suck. I am well aware. That is why we need to kick their asses to the curb and in all honesty I think there is a pretty good plan and chance of it happening in 2020 assuming progressives can coalesce around a candidate. Regarding, "State DNC" What happened in Cali was outrageous. But in the long run that type of shit is only going to cause the people to realize how they are getting fucked over and get them to do something about it. That is but one battle in a great war. And if you want to grip about how your state was specifically fucked over I would be willing to add that having superdelegates "call" the election for Hillary a couple days before the peasants in the state were allowed to vote was also fucking outrageous and clearly designed to try and suppress votes. But ultimately I'm not here to bitch about all the ways they have fucked over the people but rather trying to formulate a plan to go forward. Holy shit I just sounded like Tom Perez. Not good. Make me think I should rethink some things. I don't want to agree with him on anything. That said looking forward is important because we do agree on how fucked up the past was. I'm not pretending the primary was rigged for example. Regarding, "I have NO DOUBT that Bernie won the nomination." I actually tend to agree with you. I question the primary election results. Exit polls indicate election fraud. But one of the reasons why they were able to get away with it, assuming they did flip votes, was because the corporate media was able to portray Hillary as inevitable from the onset. They can't do that in 2020. In 2020 Sanders is clearly the favorite. And if he starts losing states that he should be winning people will be forced to take notice and there is no plausible deniability. Regarding, "The fact that he refused to acknowledge what was happening" That isn't his role. That is ours. America fucking hates whiners and anyone perceived to be whining even if their whining is justified. Nobody is in a more biased place to call out rigging than the candidate who is getting fucked over. That is why it was nice when Brazile came out with the information she did. (She still fucking sucks but i was nice.) And look at how she was attached and how the corporate media worked to dismiss what she revealed. And she wasn't nearly in a biased position like Sanders would be to talk about rigging (slightly biased though, she did want to sell some books). I don't need Sanders to tell me he got fucked over. And the people that still think the primary was fair aren't all of a sudden going to see the light if Sanders bitched about how he was fucked over. Even Hillary supporters had an impossible time defending their fallen queen on her blame everyone book tour because Americans are sheep who are conditioned to think this is just excuse making. And the American public certainly wasn't ready to think that maybe votes were actually getting flipped. At least not without rock solid smoking gun evidence of which there was none. Sadly there was only circumstantial evidence. I very well might be voting for the Green party candidate in 2020 the same way I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 but that is plan B and I absolutely will be voting in the "democratic" primary and think everyone else should as well.
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  1248. Eleanor regarding, "then you better make sure new voting machines are in and..." I want more accountability when it comes to counting votes but I think you are overestimating my importance and ability to control such things. I have issues with vote totals. One of the reasons I think we need Sanders is because he is too popular for them to be able to flip enough votes against him without getting called on it.
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  1249. Keen regarding, "Fall off the roles," If you live in an open primary state then by all means demexit. But if you live in a state with closed primaries then you damn well better do what you need to do to vote in their primaries.
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  1250. danny regarding, "I don't F**kbook" We definitely agree on that.
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  1251. danny regarding, "are you seriously this obtuse or just being a troll?" What a lazy and pathetic way to dismiss what I am saying. I suppose this is much easy than arguing that I am saying something that is untrue. Regarding, "...AL Chair of the DNC..." Nobody is arguing that the "democratic" party is decent. I'm pretty sure we all agree that they suck. I'm not sure why you think it is important to talk about why they are terrible. The debate is about strategy going forward and how is the best way to get progressives in positions of power. Regarding, "That's what you want to hook your wagon to?" I don't care about the party. I'm not looking to "hook my wagon" to anything. I'm looking to take the reigns. But since you mentioned it how are the Green parties chances looking in the Alabama senate election? Just pointing out how terrible the "democratic" party simply isn't good enough for me. There has to be an effective plan to do something about it.
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  1252. I don't care about smug. I care about lies and he told too many of them.
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  1253. Um... yes. Please do register to vote. Don't let them win without a fight. I assure you the establishment loves it when you stay home.
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  1254. Have you met our government?
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  1255. It's been dead for quite a while already.
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  1256. *100 senators
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  1257. Maybe but it doesn't really matter... Bernie doesn't need them. He is the most popular politician in the country who champions causes that are all popular with the public. He would crush in an election where party elites are not allowed to pick and choose who is allowed to vote.
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  1258. Regarding, "I tell her that I will not vote for evil, and her mouth drops." I've been there. Then my mouth dropped that the idea of not voting for evil seemed so crazy to someone else. Like, how could saying something like that be controversial at all?
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  1259. I would like to add that you should vote. Find someone running (or not and write them in for all I care) and vote for them. Vote for good. Not only that but that is never the only election going on. That said... whatever. We are going to make sure you get to vote for Sanders in the general.
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  1260.  @levanmikadze4748  "he doesn't support them" Correct... so not a dem.
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  1261.  @levanmikadze4748  "Jimmy are true democrats" Jimmy is a true leftist. The democratic party is a right wing party. Jimmy is not a dem.
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  1262.  @levanmikadze4748  "I am a republican" If you don't support the republican party you are not actually a republican. It's not "logic." You are just using words wrong.
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  1263.  @bcon2608  "Big Pharma and the Insurance giants" These are the same people spending money hand over fist lobbying to keep the current system. "It’s almost like they lobby billions of dollars to get their way. Or is lobbying just charity?" LMFAO And they are getting their way. "Idiot." This is funny all things considered.
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  1264.  @bcon2608  "will empower The People?" No. It will cost half as much. It will cover everyone and other countries, who ALSO have lobbying and corruption, have PROVEN it. "Are you dense?" Nope. You are projecting.
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  1265.  @bcon2608  "obamacare" Was designed to save the system because they don't want it to change. They spend BILLIONS to make sure it doesn't. And you side with them because you are not a serious person.
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  1266.  @warfossil  "Article was most likely written by someone like yourself with TDS." They said giving zero evidence, something they previously claimed to care about deeply. They said acting like the trump administration didn't continue ALL of the wars left to him by obama. You most likely have a trump tramp stamp tattoo.
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  1267.  @paddyo3841  "In the age of disinformation..." Trump stopped 0 wars. The MIC carried on just fine while he was in office. Stop pretending otherwise. It makes you look like a clown.
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  1268.  @reinsmano  "I don’t understand this statistic." It was written in 2017.... that's why they didn't have the numbers for the entire year. I shouldn't have to explain this. It should be obvious. But I will add that it's from an article titled, "Donald Trump Is Dropping Bombs at Unprecedented Levels" because I suspect my comment where I talk about it is being shadowbanned.
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  1269.  @reinsmano  "The U.S. Never Dropped As Many Bombs On Afghanistan As It Did In 2018"
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  1270.  @reinsmano  "Why should you not have to explain a statistic without a date?" It was perfectly explained in the previous response that was shadowbanned. And then I explained it and still you don't get it? "why would you use a stat from 2017" I was using the article because of it's headline. The "stat" was from that article talking about how trump was dropping more bombs in 2017 than obama did in 2016. All this to prove that trump has dropped any bombs because apparently that something I needed to prove to unserious clowns. Please stop wasting my time.
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  1271.  @Wolfe-xz6tr  "easily exposed lies." They said while not even attempting to expose any lies.
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  1272.  @SoBayK80  "Your math" The very next line in the article reads, "At this rate, Trump will exceed Obama’s last-year total by Labor Day."
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  1273.  @SoBayK80  "I think you're too histrionic to think clearly, and that's what they want" I think you are deeply unserious, and that's what "they" want.
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  1274.  @brucecampbell6578  "63" If you say so. I have more reason to not trust than do at this point.
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  1275.  @paddyo3841  "you are using my argument" I have no clue what you are talking about at the moment and I'm fine with that. "your assumption that Trump had any power stop the MIC" Trump was literally commander in chief. It's far more than an "assumption." If he couldn't do it who could? "he was able to end said MIC warmongering" My argument is that he didn't even try. If he did he might have gotten JFKed. But he didn't did he?
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  1276.  @paddyo3841  "How can u mention the MIC and yet still think Trump or any potus has any real power" He is literally commander in chief and that position comes with real power whether you can admit it or acknowledge it. Trump didn't even attempt to use that power. But the better question is why you defend him like you do. "I agree “ u have no clue”" Oh right... you have dunning kruger. "Trump HAD TO GO because he said the quiet part out loud and that is unforgivable" Yeah... he would straight up tell you that we were going to steal syria's oil. He was the establishment.
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  1277.  @QuetzalcoatlOdin  "he may not have stopped any wars," It's not like he didn't have lots to choose from. "he didn't start any." And there were few of these to choose from. We were already at war with everyone. And he tried his best when took out sulemani. "Any of the presidents that you like or even don't like that you can say the same for?" Why would you think I like any of them? "As for dropping bombs somebody's lied to you they didn't run out of bombs while Trump was in office, they ran out of bombs while Obama, Obomer was in office." The only person lying right now is you. I've never said that they "ran out of bombs while trump is in office" or anything even close to that. That's just fiction you are making up.
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  1278.  @QuetzalcoatlOdin  "that's not enough that you wrote those words" They weren't my words. It was from a source that I was providing. "Back it up or shut the f****up" Make take your own advice and be quiet. I already gave evidence. If you don't like it I don't care.
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  1279.  @QuetzalcoatlOdin  "mindlessly call it fake news." Yeah. You can offer counter evidence but you don't even try. "You supplied nothing but words typed on a screen." I'm sorry I'm not bringing left over bombs to your place or whatever you think I should be doing that I'm not. "I suggest strongly you back up" I suggest you be quiet instead of proving you don't have anything intelligent to say.
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  1280.  @QuetzalcoatlOdin  "who's article" It's legit impossible to take seriously people who need proof that trump and his administration were dropping lots of bombs. Do you need evidence the sky is blue?
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  1281.  @tflg3257  "Obama was the bomb dropping king." Then trump dropped more than him (at least per year he did). Sorry not sorry if the truth hurts.
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  1282.  @QuetzalcoatlOdin  "back it up" I already have provided evidence of the absolute obvious. What is wrong with you?
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  1283.  @scottwaters998  "hide" Hey where did you go?
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  1284. I'm not sure what "thought" is dumber, that Bernie is a sheepdog or that Trump is worth a vote. Both are so remarkably stupid that you have me reconsidering whether or not my vote for Stein was a good call. I'm scared to have any common ground with you.
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  1285. Nobody is interested in your CIA propaganda here.
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  1286. Both parties are owned by the corporations and are dependent on their money. The parties are shit. That is why we need a political revolution.
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  1287. Pete regarding, "HE WON." You got me there. He did win and I want to win. But that isn't the only thing I want. How you go about it is just as important otherwise you really haven't won anything and you have just become the evil you want to replace. If all you care about is winning then you very well might start thinking saying things ISIS would say like, "we have to take out their families" is the way to go because winning. Maybe demonizing immigrants, and building walls, and lying, and meaningless pandering is the way to go because of winning. Unfortunately the context of where that guy wrote his shit is gone but it really had nothing to do with your words. I want to win. But winning in and of itself is meaningless unless you win something that is worth something. Your comment also completely ignores the actual reasons why Trump won that are not in any way shape or form appropriate to this conversation. For example Trump got the benefit of his empty podium being covered while Sanders podium was ignored even when he was speaking in front of record crowds. He got BILLIONS in free media. He had Hillary Clinton and company at his back propping him to try and make her seem less terrible. Your words of he won would be just as meaningless if you were trying to use them to characterize Hillary Clinton's "win" over Sanders in the primary. I'm sure you would think that in that instance we need to be like Hillary right because winning? We should be cheating and rigging shit right because winning? Well again I still think that is fucking moronic and pointless. Emulating pieces of shit like Trump and Hillary is hardly the answer. What good is winning when it means I get the same bullshit I'm fighting against. But I guess that is "pompous" "delusional" and I should "wake up." I think it is quite practical. Let's just agree to disagree about it shall we.
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  1288. Matthew regarding, "Truth is treason in an empire of lies." I guess Sanders is a traitor then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W6paY8RsPI
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  1289. Matthew regarding, "Sanders distinguished the blame from the DNC and shifted it to DWS." Ug. He says, "the DNC was supporting Hillary Clinton" before DWS is even mentioned. That totally isn't calling out the DNC am I right? And even when DWS is talked about she was THE CHAIR OF THE DNC and not some outsider from the party being used to scapegoat the parties actions. She was their leader at the time. That is totally being "loyal." I'm sure you think he is loyal to them as well when he preaches for a "political revolution." Why exactly would anyone think we need a political revolution if the DNC is getting it done? Regarding, "That is why I commented on Mr. Hammond's comment on why Sen. Sanders did not call out his own party." Ok buddy. Just ignore the clip which is but one example of Sanders calling out the DNC that disproves the original claim. Just ignore the evidence that proves it is wrong. Keep thinking whatever you want. But if you want to be honest at least say things like, "Sanders should have done more to call out the DNC." Then at least you wouldn't be lying.
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  1290. Matthew regarding, "Your anger is clouding your judgement." My anger comes from all the lies and bullshit that is so prevalent. People get to have their own opinions. They don't get to have their own facts. Regarding, "You can't even take down your own straw man." Would you care to elaborate or just make a vague smear?
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  1291. Matthew regarding, "i'm sure you would think" I said this to someone other than you to demonstrate why the original "logic" they were using was wrong. If their "logic" were correct then the logical conclusion of their argument would to think.... If it isn't what they think then hopefully it would cause them to rethink their original logic. And if I was terribly misconstruing their logic and reasoning then, by all means they could correct me. Regarding, "You want.." So apparently I can't use a persons words to formulate ideas about they think. I need to only address direct quotes and am completely unable to infer a person's thinking based on context? I would hate to put any words into your mouth so how exactly have I put words and arguments into your mouth that you don't actually think? That isn't something I'm looking to do so, by all means please take this opportunity to correct me. Regarding, "I did not smear you," If you say so. I tend to think addressing my "anger" as opposed to my points without actually addressing the points is a smear. I also think that saying I'm making strawman arguments without bothering to give any strawman argument I've made is also a smear. I also think that saying, "I pointed out how your emotional responses on these comments makes your arguments unappealing regardless of your absence of logic," is also a smear. How about you talk about how what I say doesn't have logic instead of just asserting it and justifying it because of my emotion.
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  1292. Matthew regarding, ""So apparently I can't use a persons words to formulate (i.e. distort) ideas about what (i assume) they think." Why yes you can, however, by doing so you are using a straw man logical fallacy i.e. arguing against an argument never made" This is funny because what you did is strawman my argument. I'm not ok with distortions. I'm not looking or trying to distort a persons argument. If someone says, "all orange people are awesome" I am not strawmanning them if I say things like, "I'm sure you would think Trump is awesome." or "then I assume you think Trump is awesome." even if they haven't said those exact things. Yes those are assumptions to a certain degree but they are logically consistent with the original argument. It is only a strawman when someone is incorrectly (ie distorting) someones beliefs. Again I ask if you would please specifically direct me to where I was distorting your beliefs rather than just vaguely asserting it. Regarding, "Also stop being rude to people who agree 99% with you" First off I concede to being a bit of dick. I have little to no tolerance for bullshit and often feel as though living a world that has me drowning in it. And even if I agree with someone 99% of the time that doesn't mean I'm going to give them a pass if they are blatantly lying 1% of the time.
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  1293. So we go from the lie of, "Bernie never mentioned that he was robbed" which is a lie because we live in a world where among other things, Bernie has said, "the DNC was supporting Hillary Clinton" to "Cos he took the money and shut the hell up, returned home to enjoy his pay. He's fraud too" which is rationalized by the responder, in part, because of the lie. But I'm not suppose to be angry about this bullshit? Good luck with that.
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  1294. Matthew regarding, "If you see a difference in opinion as blatantly lying, you're gonna have a bad time." If you think you get to have an "opinion" about facts you're gonna have a bad time. Like I said we get to have our own opinions. We don't get to have our own facts. Bernie Sanders either mentioned something or he didn't. We don't get to have "an opinion" if he did. On the other hand we get have an opinion if he did something enough, an opinion if what he does is right or wrong, and opinion of his motives among others. But we need to be able to agree on facts otherwise, in all honesty, your opinions quickly become meaningless.
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  1295. Matthew regarding, "enjoyed spending the fortune he made during the election." Straight up lie. You suck at life.
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  1296. Cool story. Where exactly does it indicate that any of that money came from the election?
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  1297. Another cool story. The phrase goes guilty until proven innocent right?
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  1298. Bravo. I applaud how misleading your statement was. You got me. Clearly you were not trying to leave the impression that he made that money off of the election instead of saying something that wouldn't have been terribly misleading like he made a fortune off his book. I bow to your bullshit. Well done. I really mean that. Technically what you said wasn't false. I stand corrected.
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  1299. Regarding, "Truth is treason in an empire of lies." That is still funny considering the original post is a lie.
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  1300. Is that literally all it takes for you to think someone is "reasonable?"
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  1301. Evidence of the Dunning-Kruger effect right here.
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  1302. There is a difference between a right to a place to live and having a right to a nice place to live. You want an upgrade you have to pay for it.
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  1303. Not really. I assume politicians are POS. And yang has done more than that to prove to me he sucks.
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  1304.  @VicePresidentKamala  Ultimately I think there is nuance to be had between "evil" and "wrong." I literally just got done saying I don't want to worry about motivations and I'm doing it anyway. Meh... Whatever. Anyways I think wolfe is wrong and not evil. If you want agree to disagee about that so be it.
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  1305.  @Johnny_Rico.You_Know_WhatTo_Do  "claim your political opponents are nazis?" I'm pretty sure he didn't say that tucker was a nazi but did say that he used a tactic of theres. I concede it was dumb of him. I personally don't think he's evil. We all get shit wrong especially when it comes to politics.
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  1306.  @binary  "I used to disagree with Tucker on a lot." Yup. "Now I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything" His positions on immigration and china are still terrible. He has others but if you find yourself agreeing with him it's only because he's talking about russia and assange. Which yeah... he is right. And I will give him credit for those things. Some are slower than they should be IMO.
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  1307.  @binary  Let's agree to disagree about that then. I don't care.
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  1308. Should he? You a big fan of stop and frisk for big gulps and don't give bagels to homeless people?
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  1309. "Fredo will be back on in a month." Let them put bring fredo back. He might bring down CNN singlehandledly.
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  1310. What about Tilleman? You know the guy getting fucked over in the audio who released the information? Does he fit your narrative to you? Because he doesn't. Would you not support him because he had the audacity to run as a democrat?
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  1311. The guy going out of his way to expose the corruption simultaneously supports the corruption? I'm not a dipshit so I understand that makes no fucking sense.
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  1312. Someone died.
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  1313. I speak dog. What they said is translated to mean, "I don't like Let It Burn."
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  1314. Because even though the dog doesn't like you they have trouble remembering your name.
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  1315. Trump does that to himself. He got BILLIONS in free media last time. They even covered his empty podium while Sanders was speaking in front of record crowds.
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  1316.  @sonjakozman1699  More people were deported under biden than under trump. And biden kept the cages.
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  1317.  @sonjakozman1699  More people have died of covid during biden's presidency compared to trumps presidency, and biden had the jab.
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  1318.  @sonjakozman1699  There is more military spending under biden compared to trump.
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  1319.  @sonjakozman1699  "banging on about shadow banning comments" All 3 comments to you were 100 percent factual and they are being shadowbanned. It's the type of thing you should care about but you do you.
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  1320.  @sonjakozman1699  "Get help." I'm not going to lie this is funny coming from you. Thanks for the laugh.
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  1321.  @sonjakozman1699  "thanks for being insane" You are projecting. This is like a compliment considering the source. Again.... thanks for the laugh.
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  1322.  @scooterallen1834  "Trump put America first" You are just as silly as biden supporters.
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  1323.  @sonjakozman1699  do you have anything of value to say?
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  1324.  @sonjakozman1699  "You are like a dancing bear." Do you really have nothing better to do than troll? I almost pity you.
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  1325. Check exit polls for primaries!
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  1326. Just admit that you're CIA.
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  1327. Your words are so dumb. It is cute that you actually believe your bullshit.
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  1328. He's not really "selling out." He was already a sellout. It's just a desperate attempt to try to be relevant. Because he isn't.
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  1329.  @cheesys8706  "because I don’t want to lose my account you assume something is not true?" Pretty much. If I had evidence I wouldn't be a bitch about it and make excuse about your "account" like you couldn't just make a new one. I assume if you actually had evidence you would provide it. I know I would.
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  1330.  @cheesys8706  I honestly don't give a shit what you have to say if you aren't going to provide any evidence. Sorry not sorry.
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  1331. LMFAO FYI I still can't stand andrew yang and your bullshit only makes me despise him more.
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  1332. Even if I thought WW3 was inevitable, which I don't, everything else you say still makes no logical sense.
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  1333. I'm shocked. Shocked I say to see you here.
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  1334. Because I was correct when I pointed out that the only reason you dropped William Binney's name elsewhere was because you wanted to act smart. The fact of the matter is that, before that day, you had no fucking idea who he was which makes you wanting to name drop him like you were smart only proves how dumb you actually are. Way to go me for being able to call you out on it immediately but in all honesty figuring out an idiot like you is not difficult.
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  1335. I'm sorry if my response was too long for you. I know you have trouble reading more than just a few words.
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  1336. Who do I think I am talking to? A complete fucking moron. I'll leave you be thou. At least your original post here wasn't epic stupid like my last unfortunate run in with you.
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  1337. If you say so. I guess I'll just have to settle for having arguments that are not moronic then.
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  1338. Regarding, "Clit." You are the 591,973 person to tell that joke. You must be very unoriginal. I was ready to leave your dumbass alone but the problem with me is that I have a problem letting stupid go unanswered and when you open your mouth it is always dumb as fuck.
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  1339. I guess Bill and I have one thing in common.
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  1340.  @dreaminglifepodcast  I wasn't really guessing. That's what you were doing. I was taking your assumption for granted and telling you what I'm doing.
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  1341.  @dreaminglifepodcast  So you just know what Bill is doing? I don't think this is as deep as you give it credit for.
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  1342.  @dreaminglifepodcast  So is Bill Gates grinning right now still? And do you know for certain or are you just guessing?
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  1343.  @dreaminglifepodcast  I am. I was trying to figure out what Bill is up to that would make him do that. I have no idea and it make me smile. Do you know?
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  1344.  @dreaminglifepodcast  How do you know all this? What else do you know? Do you know his bank account numbers as well perchance?
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  1345.  @Jbo2000  Your comment is funny because you are likely a CIA propagandist. I hope your soul was worth it.
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  1346. Consider the possibility that you are a moron.
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  1347.  @northernpunx1978  "I'm merely pointing out that in 80 years none of them have helped the middle class. Sniffer Joe is just one of the gang." You are doing it wrong. I don't disagree with this. I doubt the OP disagrees with this. I have a problem with strawman arguments coming from everyone. Even people I whose opinions I likely agree with.
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  1348.  @northernpunx1978  In other words don't tell someone to "wake up" when they aren't demonstrating they are asleep. Don't act like they said "just joe biden" when they have not. We likely agree about most everything. Just don't do things like this going forward. Thanks. Peace.
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  1349. Look into what zelensky is worth.
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  1350. LMFAO You are speaking for plato? Ego much?
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  1351. Plato is not an idiot. You are projecting yourself onto them.
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  1352. If you're not first you're last.
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  1353. 8:50 "Is that a conspiracy?" It depends if they are trying to hide their plans. If they are hiding their plans then it's a "conspiracy." If they are doing it in the open and not hiding their plans then it is not.
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  1354.  @GazMatic  "Open conspiracy and secret conspiracy are both valid terms." We are talking about "conspiracy" and conspiracy means hidden. Source: the dictionary. "A conspiracy is an agreement to commit a crime" Not necessarily. It can still be a conspiracy and still be "legal."
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  1355.  @GazMatic  "I literally looked up the definition" So did I and the first thing that comes up... "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
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  1356.  @GazMatic  "a secret plan" As in it needs to be a secret.... "unlawful or harmful" as in bad but not necessarily illegal.
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  1357.  @GazMatic  "I also used a physical one" LMFAO "the online ones tend to change" Those are the ones that can be cited here. You claim your book says anything you want but we can only check the online ones together.
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  1358. A broken clock is correct twice a day but it is still broken... like Trump.
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  1359. He is, like zelensky. But you can sellout in any creed.
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  1360.  @jcrb8894  "your part of the problem" Can't say I find your "argument" very compelling. People who don't offer any sort of logic and reasoning for their beliefs are part of the problem. You know what that makes you?
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  1361.  @jcrb8894  Also, *you're
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  1362. Didn't help. It's just an empty space.
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  1363. He's already told you why he lied. Not that it was a good reason.
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  1364. "what's the problem." I don't even know where to begin.
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  1365. He's not really taking elon's side. He's pointing out the shitlibs opposed to him and WHY they are opposed to him and it's not because of good reasons.
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  1366. I'd ask what the fuck you were talking about if I weren't convinced that you are just lying and making a stupid as fuck strawman argument.
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  1367. Makes me hate humanity.
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  1368. 90 percent of the public wanting universal background checks should tell you that your point is fucking moronic and misguided.
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  1369. Bo regarding, "Goldman Sachs" Are you talking about Trump's cabinet?
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  1370. *pathetic
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  1371.  @kevinm3751  I'm not religious but I really the message of the serenity prayer. I'm not advocating for ignorance but ignorance is bliss and when it comes to things like this there really isn't much you can do about it.
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  1372.  @iga279  "she is a true dinosaur" She is old. But dinosaurs went extinct and there are plenty of people to take nancy spot after she's gone. Nancy used to say she supported universal health care back in the day... just like her successor and fellow shill AOC.
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  1373.  @regmcg4171  "She was one of JFK’s interns" She was on the grassy nole.
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  1374.  @joshuabuell2097  "he was studying medicine" Are you 100 percent sure the guy with a bunch of hidden dead bodies isn't a cereal killer?
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  1375. I wish he would have run as an independent but he didn't. He isn't perfect afterall. Let's get him in office next time. Better late than never.
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  1376. Joe McCarthy is that you?
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  1377.  @melitocards3460  "Russia isnt communists anymore." Yeah. What you are doing is waaaay different. You are very smart. And this isn't sarcasm.
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  1378. I guess she should have thought of that before she, her campaign, and the media working for her chose to elevate Trump to try and make her corrupt ass palatable to the public.
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  1379. Don't forget to save some blame and disgust for their enabler, the corporate media, as well.
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  1380. I'm so happy that doesn't help.
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  1381.  @NPC-bs3pm  I'm going to write you a few replies that all are likely to be shadowbanned based on my experience. All are 100 percent true...
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  1382.  @NPC-bs3pm  Bid en is de port ing more people than trump, and he has kept the cag es.
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  1383.  @mustbtrouble  "I think I deleted 1" When you delete a comment the number goes down because facts. "Y’all are nuts" Facts aren't for everyone.
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  1384.  @mustbtrouble  they do not what?
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  1385.  @mustbtrouble  go down? of course it does and it takes 2 seconds to test...
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  1386.  @mustbtrouble  this is going to be the 26th reply... at least until i delete the 25th reply of now. then it will be the "new" 25th reply.
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  1387.  @mustbtrouble  sure enough, it went down and now this will be the 26th reply after it went down to 25.
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  1388.  @mustbtrouble  Shouldn't your lies be at least a tiny bit plausible?
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  1389.  @mustbtrouble  "ad hominems are the losers retort." Your hypocrisy is funny at least.
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  1390. As jimmy says yang wants to pay for UBI regressively, like for example, by dismantling the current social safety net.
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  1391.  @schloops8473  Regarding, " they attack the most progressive policy" I love UBI. This isn't about UBI. We are talking about yang and HIS problems. Maybe don't deflect like this. Regarding, "pretend he wants to "dismantling the current social safety net"" Tell you what... I'll go and find the first interview I ever saw with him. It was shortly after he announced his candidacy for presidency. When asked how he would pay for the UBI the very first thing he mentions is all the money we spend on a social safety net and his plan to pay for UBI was by gutting it. I'm not pretending shit.
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  1392.  @jamesjones7397  Yang gives you the choice of picking between the current system and UBI. That will gut the current system. A true progressive would be putting UBI on top of the current system.
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  1393.  @schloops8473  I tried to post the link but youtube doesn't like that apparently. Right here on youtube there is a video titled, "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" from Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs. It's only 7 minutes and it has yang telling you himself about how he plans to gut the current social safety net to pay for UBI.
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  1394.  @schloops8473  You are impossible to take seriously. I shouldn't be surprised you are fooled by the conman.
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  1395.  @redneckscumbags4422  " i saw that interview with ben shapiro" I'm not talking about an interview with ben shapiro and I'm well aware that is talking points have "evolved" but he has said that he wants to dismantle the current social safety net to pay for UBI. "he said there is less needy for the current programs" So the people on the bottom who already need help from the government are going to get no help to the least amount of help in the form of his UBI. That's why he sucks.
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  1396.  @cjcholbert  "a big Yang supporter" Think long and hard about it. Yang seems just like any other neoliberal when it comes to war. He lied about supporting m4a while running for potus. He wants to pay for UBI as regressively as possible. He sucks as far as I'm concerned. My opinion is that he wants to bribe everyone to keep the current shit system just like it is. And if you aren't willing to change the current system in addition to a UBI then all that UBI is going to just funnel to the top like it does now.
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  1397.  @redneckscumbags4422  "i've never heard him say he's gonna dismantle social safety nets to pay for UBI." Did you even listen to the interview I referenced? Where the first thing he says he will use to pay for UBI is the all the money we are currently spending on the social safety net? Regarding, "everytime it's some nitpicking cynical interpretation of his comments" Talking to yanggang is very much like talking to hillary's correct the record troll army.
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  1398.  @redneckscumbags4422  "it's pure cynical conspiracy lunacy" Gaslighting with BS like this much?
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  1399.  @redneckscumbags4422  Regarding, "you didn't reference any interview." I did. This is copy and pasted. "Right here on youtube there is a video titled, "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" from Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs. It's only 7 minutes and it has yang telling you himself about how he plans to gut the current social safety net to pay for UBI."" So why are you lying?
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  1400.  @redneckscumbags4422  Regarding, "you can have a choice whether to keep your social program or take the UBI" LMFAO. Yeah. So the entire social safety net is being used to pay for UBI. Literally all of it. Do you get 100 a month? It's gone. You trade it for UBI. Do you get more than yang is going to give for UBI? Yippie you. You can keep what you have but you gain jack shit making UBI completely worthless to you even though you are the person who is likely in most need of it. A person who isn't gutting the social safety net to pay for UBI doesn't take literally all the money meant for that social safety net to pay for his UBI. You are either willfully obtuse or paid to obfuscate and lie. I suspect you are a paid shill. All that money he says he's going to use to pay for UBI... that was all the money that USED to pay for a social safety net. But he plans to gut it. Literally all of it. All of the money that was is now gone. No matter how much you want to lie.
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  1401.  @redneckscumbags4422  "why are YOU lying? I'm at 1:45 ..of that video," You mean you were lying about me not posting a source then. Thanks for clearing up who is the liar.
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  1402.  @redneckscumbags4422  Right before that timestamp you speak of he tells you that literally all the money that is currently used for a social safety net is whipped out and gutted to pay for UBI.
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  1403.  @redneckscumbags4422  "you're obviously intentionally disingenuous at this point." You were lying about me providing an interview and you are lying about yang gutting the social safety net. "he was saying we're already paying millions for social safety nets" Yup. And he was saying how he would gut them to pay for UBI. Regarding, "they are not double dipping" You are gutting the social safety net to pay for UBI. UBI should be helping everyone. But what you call "double dipping" means the people on the bottom loss everything the social net had to offer them. It's gone. Instead they get UBI and only UBI because you just gutting what is the social safety net. Regarding, "so that savings" That "savings" is what used to be the social safety net. That was the money that used to pay for it. Unless yang has his way and it would be gone. It is the most regressive way possible to pay for UBI.
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  1404.  @redneckscumbags4422  "You're obviously a paid DNC operative..or someone who works for TYT, majority report thanks" LMFAO Projection much? At least you are kind enough to admit you were lying about me not providing a source. Not that you are intellectually honest enough to admit. I'm a jimmy dore fan. And jimmy rightfully knows yang sucks.
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  1405.  @redneckscumbags4422  Regarding, "you only provided me a link after I asked you to" LMFAO. You suck so much it's almost impressive somehow. You hadn't even joined the thread and I cited it.
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  1406.  @redneckscumbags4422  "how much are you getting paid by the DNC?" Fuck the DNC. How much are you paid to shill for yang?
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  1407.  @redneckscumbags4422  Full disclosure I concede you might not be a paid shill for yang. I don't rule out the possibility that you are just a useful idiot for your favorite snake oil salesman.
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  1408.  @redneckscumbags4422  Regarding, "so nothing to say about "gutting" welfare?" I've gone over repeatedly how all the money used to pay for the social safety net is gone. You being a moron doesn't mean I haven't said anything on the topic just like you saying I hadn't provided a source was just you lying. Why I am talking to you at all at this point is a mystery.
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  1409.  @redneckscumbags4422  Regarding, "i've already refuted your bogus claim." LMFAO. Think whatever stupid shit you want at this point but it would be nice if you weren't trying to make everyone as dumb as you are. Regarding, "The money for social safety net isn't gone," LMFAO. It is. That's how yang plans to help pay for UBI according to him. Regarding, "it's no longer needed by ppl who are getting more from UBI" By this "logic" UBI isn't needed by anyone. It's suppose to be universal. That's the U part in UBI. But if you already get more than UBI from the government it's not universal to you. It's NOTHING to you. They are the poorest of the poor who are already getting help from the government. But they are the ones who don't need extra? You suck so much.
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  1410.  @redneckscumbags4422  Speaking of people who don't need UBI, millionaires and billionaires would benefit from yang's ubi but if you are the poorest of the poor who is already getting help from the government you very well might gain NOTHING because yang guts the social safety net to pay for UBI. All the money that was going to pay for a social safety net is gone. That's what gutted means. There's no more money there. It's gone. Yang told you were it went. He could pay for UBI on the backs of rich people. But instead he is paying for it on the backs of the poorest of the poor and by gutting the social safety net no matter how much you lie.
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  1411.  @redneckscumbags4422  "You're an obvious DNC paid LIAR at this point." Projection 101. I can't keep wasting time addressing your bullshit. I'm not paid to be here.
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  1412. The EC was set up so that slave owners would have more say then they were entitled. It takes a system that was as good as it was going to get, most votes wins, and fucked it up by making votes count unequally.
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  1413. No votes are fucking meaningless. Stop acting like he voted yes.
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  1414. Regarding, "How about the times he did vote yes?" Why don't we have a talk about it then rather than pretending he voted yes on this and acting outraged over fucking nothing.
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  1415. Coyote regarding, "there's not much to say beyond citing these as times he went strongly against progressive ideals" Nobody is fucking perfect, not even you (spoiler alert). I honestly don't have the ambition to go deep into your shit list. This story isn't about that. I'm looking to address the specific issue at hand. Regarding, "He never gave more than the Democratic party reason for voting yes, if he even made a statement." I am honestly having trouble understanding this sentence. Are you trying to say he hasn't spoken out in favor of internet neutrality? He has. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBHjfTKfdQs&t=112s Regarding, "We're not the enemy here, we all believe in similar things, fight for similar goals--and we want him to be real," Ok, nevermind... now I am understanding what you are saying. Still I'm not going back to edit cause I'm lazy and instead I'm just going to go ahead and try to address you here... Yes. We all are fighting for the same team. And I do understand that some are pissed at Bernie because he hasn't done things exactly how they wish he would. But I am convinced he is our best hope going forward to get the change we need and deserve as a country. The establishment is going to smear him every fucking way they possibly can going forward. They are going to try and use every angle and every dirty trick at their disposal because they fear him. He isn't their puppet. And there are legit places people can point to. Again, nobody is perfect. You will never agree with everyone on everything. But I don't want bullshit like this to get in the way. This is not a legit place to get pissed. Non votes really are the same as no votes other than for the symbolic message. So I take issue with people blowing this up and pretending it is something it is not. Regarding, "You know that to be true, so why take issue with me saying that he isn't always on our side when he takes positions that are clearly oppossed to progressive or leftist policies?" Because this is not one of those times. He has always been on the side of net neutrality. I honestly don't know why he didn't vote and I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt for not voting but ultimately is not important that he did. I am not a fan of McDonalds. It is only emergency food and an emergency bathroom for me. I don't need to go to McDonalds to tell them I don't want a BigMac today and if I did that would be about as meaningful as Sanders voting no (not meaningful). It is only important that McDonalds know when I want something and it is only important when people vote YES. No votes are fucking meaningless. So I take exception with those acting as if Bernie sold his soul and that is why he didn't vote. I believe there are many false actors looking to take advantage of the situation to pretend this is something it is not by people who are looking for anything to smear him whether it is legit or not. Almost all the times when people are trying to trash his record it is by using misleading info. That said it isn't perfect. Go figure... he has been in government for some time. But I am convinced he is about as good as it gets and I do trust him unlike I trust essentially any other politician. I also see him as our best hope for getting the change we need. This country is really fucked up. Our politicians are really fucked up. The 2 major parties are really fucked up. Sanders has the best chance of making things better. If he is elected as a democrat in 2020 he could, for example, ban the party from accepting legalized bribes going forward among other much needed party reforms. Then there would be hope of having a major party that cares about the people rather than their donors. Regarding, "We've just been wrong before and lied to often" I understand this and I agree. Obama for example really fucked us. I admit to being duped. He gave a good speech. The biggest lesson I think I've learned is follow the money. When Sanders runs a campaign with our money and not the corporations I trust him to see to our interests and not the corporations. Regarding, "That is not misleading, and the languege I used was not exaggerated." If you want I will go back and look at your grievances more closely. I'm betting there are things in there I don't like. But I am tired and this is already waaaay too long. Regarding, "not enough to enact meaningful change" I have no illusions that he will be able to bring about sweeping change. Both parties will fight him. The corporate media will fight him and smear him. But if could enact the simple party reform it would be a big start to something better. And even if he doesn't accomplish anything significant I at the very least trust him not to make things worse and, this is very important in my opinion, he can start to win the battle of ideas. Look at medicare for all for example. You know the establishment doesn't want to talk about it. He forces them to. He is single handedly winning the battle of ideas on this issue. We need that if nothing else. Regarding, "If he doesn't take a stand against the economy-crippling wars" He stood up and spoke passionately about why we shouldn't go to war with Iraq in the wake of 9-11. He was one of the very few to not vote for the 700 billion dollar offense budget. He isn't Rand Paul on this one issue but he is light years better than the corporate dems. Regarding, "kill or slow the movement" Sanders has done more to wake the country than anyone else in the country in my opinion. He is the only reason most people are beginning to realize the "democratic" party is shit. The establishment is a big ass machine that chews up and spits out most decent people. Sanders has survived it and is currently the most popular politician in the country for good reason. He has fought for the issues you care about all his life... with an exception or two but keep it in context. I am convinced he is the best hope for progressive values but he is going to need the continued support of progressives as everyone else is going to call him names whether he deserves it or not. Peace.
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  1416. Regarding, "this story is about that." I considered the story to be about the FCC, net neutrality, and the vote for chair. Everything in the world is connected if you want to go far enough but I really did not consider this to be about war or foreign policy in any way. Regarding, "war is the largest and most impactful business on Earth," The military industrialized complex is a fucking joke and I think we can agree it needs to be reigned the fuck in. As much as I can't stand most everything about Rand Paul I would be willing to vote for him for President just because of his ideas of the military. Personally if it were only up to me I would slash the fuck out of the department of offense. Jill Stein was considered crazy because she said wanted to cut it in half. I would go even further. Something like one dollar more than the next highest spending country in the world would be about right with me. That said I confess I am not nearly as well informed about foreign policy as I am domestic. I am no expert about a lot of what the country is doing not that I'm sure anyone really is (by design). Regarding, "I understand that Sanders has spoken out against some military interests in the past" For me the biggest issue is Iraq. This was immediately in the wake of 9-11 and to me I think it took a lot of balls for Sanders to say what he did on the Senate floor at the time. Now with the gift of hindsight his words were prophetic. He was right about everything. Regarding, "spreading the Russia hacking conspiracy." I personally think waaay too much is being made of this. I do think Russia fucked with our elections although I don't know for sure by how much or can even say specifically how. I should add that I think the DNC did much more fucking with it than they did. I do not think we are going to war with Russia anytime soon. I am much, much more concerned about us going to war with North Korea. That said I'm not even so sure we will be doing that anytime soon seeing as how they do not have resources to be plundered. Regarding, "My worries lie with the impactful military decisions he's helped further" Can you be more specific? Forgive me if I am asking you to repeat yourself. I admit there were specifics in your original response to me that I didn't address because I was not looking to talk war at the time.... but now that we are here what are your big issues exactly? There really isn't much that I'm aware of, although I know there are some nuggets where Bernie is not perfect on this. Regarding, "His votes" Again what specifically are you talking about? I've been of the understanding that for the most part congress doesn't bother to vote on stuff like this anymore. Instead they have been happy to let the President run amok making the decisions to fight their vague "war on terror" since about the time Sanders was voting against the Iraq war and against the Patriot act. Regarding, "The machine that has..." Sadly I agree. We do desperately need to reign in the machine. I was dumbfounded that the Senate recently voted on a bipartisian basis to spend an extra 80 billion a year on them and most people in the country don't even know. The corporate media wanted to know exactly how crazy Bernie would pay the 53 billion per year for college but they didn't think the 80 billion a year for bombs was even worth mentioning. Sadly the only places where the 2 parties work together consistently are in areas that fuck over the people and serve the establishment. It is depressing. Regarding, "Nearly all of our problems stem from the military-industrial complex." I understand why you would say this but I disagree. I believe that nearly all of our problems stem from money in politics. To me that is the virus that infects everything it touches. Money in politics enable the military industrialized complex. This country is an oligarchy. There was a great study that showed policy is dictated by what the super rich want and what the people want is utterly meaningless. Regarding, "They may not be corporatists in the traditional sense," Sure they are. It is all about the money. But I am nitpicking and agree with everything you are saying in this area. Regarding, "Sanders' votes to continue wars" Again I do not understand this. Again I really thought they have all (congress) gone out of their way to not vote on war since about Iraq and have given the President the ok to do whatever they want essentially unilaterally. Regarding, "We've got to work with countries around the world for a political solution to get rid of this guy..." I think you would really have a good point if he said military solution. But he didn't. He said political solution. That is how we should be handling bad leaders and bad actors in the world. I don't have a problem with sanctions (although they are far from perfect and not a solution for everything). I do have a big problem with bombs. Regarding, "those are foul, false words that should never leave the lips of someone who claims to be progressive" I consider myself a progressive and I could see myself saying that. But I guess if you think he his just lying (false)... well I just don't know why you assume he is just lying. Bernie seems as genuine as they come from in the land swamp creatures. Maybe I'm being fooled like I was by Obama but Sanders has been around much, much longer and in that much longer record I see very little to think he is just bullshitting people.... especially when I see how hard the establishment tries to fuck him over... that only speaks well of his character IMO. Regarding, ""evil dictator" Assad lie" I don't think the US should have done what it did. I do think the US lied to make their case for war. But I also think you are lying to yourself if you think Assad was a good guy. That said there are zero leaders in the world I can say (I hope there are some... again foreign policy is not my expertise) are good guys (or gals of course). Regarding, "you'll never see a Sanders presidency that decreases the military spending parasite in any meaningful way" I'm not sure how he could do this on his own. As commander in chief he could choose to not us the military how they have. He could refuse to sign big military budgets but it isn't as if the president drafts those bills. Again for me what is needed most is getting the money out of politics... at least for one major party... then that party will represent the people, win elections, and then the military budget can get slashed. Regarding, "I promise you that centering your entire political awakening on one person or thing that can be destroyed or corrupted is a dangerous balancing act" I do not put all my hopes in Sanders. Rather I see him as the best hope for getting the changes I want. Regarding, "Both corporatist and military agent must be usurped" I don't feel the need to distinguish between the two. They are both really just about making money and consolidating it for a few to me. The military is just a little more evil because of the killing. Regarding, "This generation doesn't have..." I fear we may have already passed the point of no return. That said I try to be an optimist but it can be really hard at times.
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  1417. You'd think that if there were a thread where I might be able to see all the replies it would be this one... with one reply. But nope.
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  1418. War right?
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  1419. I miss George Carlin.
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  1420.  @tom4115  I give you a straight up fact and you give me, "another who doesn't understand economics...." You are a deeply unserious "person."
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  1421. "you hate him? You can't stand him?" He isn't the only one. What makes him scary is that he is a far better conman than the donald trumps of this world.
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  1422. You are an idiot.
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  1423. The irony of you calling others idiots is really something else.
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  1424. Regarding, "In Bernies own words." You mean, in Bernies own, out of context words. Here is the complete context for people who would rather not be lied to... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO95ND0P9LU&t=0s
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  1425. Joan I would also like to add that you should be ashamed of yourself.
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  1426. Are you trying to prove your name?
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  1427. "There is no lesser of two evils." Of course there is. Trump could prove it by pardoning assange. Just because he doesn't mean there isn't a "lesser" when it comes to evil. But even if there is a "lesser" evil you don't support it because it's evil.
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  1428.  @42Mrgreenman  Regarding, "even if there were "Good men"..." Don't get me wrong I'm not arguing anyone in this scenario is good. I'm just pointing out that there is such a thing as a lesser evil. For example a guy who kills their wife because they caught them in bed with a golf pro can accurately be said to be evil. But it's also accurate to say they are "less evil" than a mass murderer because there IS such a thing as a lesser evil.
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  1429. How many pothead comedic heroes do you have?
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  1430. FYI I think Chappelle is still my number one but Jimmy is definitely on my list.
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  1431. All the problems he complains about involve their for profit motive.
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  1432.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, "the government they fuckup anything they touch" Canada pays half as much per person for their system, that doesn't leave millions uninsured, where medical bankruptcy isn't a thing, where they live longer, and their infant mortality rate is superior. If their government is "fucking up everything they touch" what does that say about the US health care system where let's compare: pays twice as much per person, leaves millions uninsured, leaves millions in medical bankruptcy, where their people die sooner, and their babies are less likely to be born alive. Regarding, "Medicare for all does not get rid of profit motive" Literally the only thing the current system cares about is profit. Health insurance companies offer NOTHING of actual value to the system. They are just a leech that cares about making money. And they will happily do anything and everything to stop you from getting care if it means they can make a buck. They spend billions of dollars on people whose job it is to figure out ways to deny you coverage. M4A does not cure everything. But it goes a long, long way to destroying the profit motive of the current system.
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  1433.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, "Canada isnt perfect" No shit. They are just better in every single metric that matters. As for the rest of your bs I really don't care anymore.
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  1434.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, "reallly you dont know much about canada huh?" Maybe make a point instead of this stupid shit. Regarding, "you dont care about the 3rd leading cause of death in america" What the actual fuck are you talking about? I'm just kidding. I'm way done caring what you think at this point.
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  1435.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, ""Medicare for all" would not help this it would only incentivize them to hide the problem even more." FYI this is not evidence. It's just a nonsense claim. If you actually brought any evidence I might care more about the things you say. As it stands I'm done wasting my time addressing you.
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  1436.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, "How is it a nonsense claim" Because you offer zero evidence for it and you act as if I should just accept your claim while providing no evidence for it. You are acting as if you have some innate point. You don't. Regarding, "government already hides the problem the whole media hides the problem" Let's say I agreed with what you are saying. You still have provided zero evidence that, ""Medicare for all" would not help this it would only incentivize them to hide the problem even more." Maybe give me a single reason why this is true. Regarding, "You are even afraid to talk about Iatrogenesis" More like I don't find much reason to be talking to you. Regarding, "i bet you dont even know what it means" I don't. And you haven't given me any reason to care about it either. Let's say you provided evidence that, ""Medicare for all" would not help this it would only incentivize them to hide the problem even more," I might start caring more about the things you say. But as it stands you have been nothing but a waste of time. Regarding, "You think im lying about it or something?" I think you are moron and you haven't that hasn't provided evidence of your claim that, "Medicare for all" would not help this it would only incentivize them to hide the problem even more," And you continue to prove that point by misunderstanding my problem with you and misunderstanding that you haven't backed your claim up with shit. Remember when I was making the claim that canada has a superior health care system? And that they are better by literally every metric? Well I didn't just make that claim. I provided evidenced. You provide jack shit. And I can only wonder why I'm wasting my time talking to you. Regarding, "Literally just type in iatrogenesis death into google if you dont know." I don't care at this point. You have given me less than no reason to.
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  1437.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, "wow you are ignorant." Wow are you stupid. Regarding, "What evidence did you provide exactly?" "Canada pays half as much per person for their system, that doesn't leave millions uninsured, where medical bankruptcy isn't a thing, where they live longer, and their infant mortality rate is superior." Why am I talking to you? LMFAO
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  1438.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, "when it would take 1 sec to find out what im talking about." What your talking about? I don't care. I care about evidence. You have given none.
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  1439.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, "I tell you how to find evidence" I know how to find evidence. You can tell because when I was making a claim I provided it. Do you know how to find evidence? If so you would be wiser to provide it before this. That way I might care what you have to say.
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  1440.  @BB-ki7he  Regarding, "I dont provide anything because i expect you to know this" Also you, "government already hides the problem the whole media hides the problem" And still no evidence to support the claim of, ""Medicare for all" would not help this it would only incentivize them to hide the problem even more." Full disclosure: even if you provide evidence at this point I'm way done caring about it or anything you really have to say at this point.
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  1441. It's BS and you respect it at the same time and that makes sense to you how?
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  1442. Trump got billions in free media from corporate media. They covered his empty podium while Sanders was talking to record crowds.
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  1443. "the second time was sketchy" LMFAO. Yeah. Only the second time was a sketchy vote.
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  1444. You are walking, talking evidence of the dunning-kruger effect.
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  1445. Why is him voting no so important to you? No votes are fucking meaningless. The only thing that matters is how many yes votes it gets. Sanders did not vote yes... stop acting like he did.
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  1446. You are "sketch" for your comment.
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  1447. Regarding, "the party will just let him win the nomination" The establishment is going to do anything and everything they possibly can to stop him. Fortunately for the country it isn't exclusively up to them. There is this thing called a primary. It is where the peasants vote and get to have their say. It isn't especially fair but it does exist. You would be wise to learn about it's existence. Regarding, "The Democrats will just cheat him out of another election..." Who knows. They may not even need to do that much cheating if enough people think like you and aren't willing to fight. Regarding, "My vote doesnt count anyway" So this is how you rationalize not fight huh? Regarding, "the establishment will either purge my name from the voter roles, or they will hack the voting machines." Why do you think the establishment fights dirty? It is because they know how important the primary is. They don't want you to vote. You are too happy to oblige them. Good luck with your crying and bitching while people like myself are going to continue to fight. Take care.
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  1448. So you are going to be voting along party lines. Way to go. You share that stupid ass trait with staunch dems and staunch republicans. You might be right that I am being silly for thinking Sanders can win the primary since he can't even get people like you to support him there. If enough people think like you they won't even need to rig the game. You shouldn't feel bad about voting 3rd party in general elections. I certainly don't regret voting for Jill Stein in 2016. But that doesn't mean I'm going to sacrifice my ability to push the "democratic" party to the left as much as I possibly can because fighting for what is right is more important to me that proving how pissed I am at the party because I'm not a fucking child.
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  1449. You compare her to other democrats when you should have an independent idea of what a politician is and is suppose to be doing. A wet bag of dogshit smells good when compared to "most of the democrats," but that doesn't impress me.
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  1450. Even a moron like trump knows you are full of shit.
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  1451. You forget Bernie.
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  1452. Do I need to address this issue? In a world where canada pays HALF as much per person compared to the US?
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  1453.  @mikehoncho5488  Regarding, "You leave your country for that " What? Americans go to canada for drugs. Nobody from canada goes to america for drugs.
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  1454.  @mikehoncho5488  What point are you trying to make? What exactly am I suppose to be scared of?
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  1455.  @mikehoncho5488  FYI Canadian babies are more likely to be born alive and their life expectancy is longer than that of americans. Just in case that has something to do with whatever point you are trying to get at.
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  1456.  @mikehoncho5488  Regarding, "getting psych meds is easy" I might need some of these after this conversation. I have no f'ing clue what this has to do with the topic at hand. Regarding, "Getting dialysis treatment is an entirely different world" I'm done caring what your point is if you have one.
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  1457.  @BobbyU808  Regarding, "I refuse to demonize any of them." You don't demonize POS lying politicians? Why not? Regarding, "the establishment wants me to do in order to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of against them." I agree with this. I my insult is calling yang a "clown." I'm not calling you a clown even if you support him. I do think supporting him is very misguided. Regarding, "Peace." Speaking of peace that's an area that makes me skeptical of yang... his positions on war and peace. What aaron and jimmy are doing is honorable. They are defending someone they don't like based on principles. It's nothing like what political hacks like politico do. Hack only care about a person team. People of virtue can set party politics aside like this to address the specific issue.
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  1458.  @BobbyU808  Regarding, "I don’t demonize people because that is part of the establishment’s strategy to censor us." I don't demonize people either. Do you think I did that to you? I didn't. Even if I were to say something like you are "stupid" or the like that still isn't a demonization. I call myself stupid when it comes to many things. "demonizing" is about intent. About being innately evil. Dumb isn't that even when I do say that about people. "Politicians are different. I will call politicians out if I think they are wrong" Which is pretty much always so I'm pretty much always calling them out. And not only do I question their actions but I question their morality. They are "demons" who have sold their souls. That's how they get where they do. "I am wary of demonizing them because it can appear that I am demonizing their supporters." People are always going to gaslight you like this. There is a clear distinction between a candidate and a candidate's supporter. It's the difference between the boot and the people the boot is stepping on. One is a victim. The other is rightfully demonized. Regarding, "The only politicians I will go hard at are establishment politicians like Pelosi and McConnell." McConnell is arguably one of my favorite politicians these days. He is "honest" about being a POS. It's not like he promises 2k checks or a 15 dollar minimum wage. That's arguably better than the ones who lie about it and pretend they support things only to sell me out. I go hard at them when they are lying. That ends up being pretty much everyone. The older I get the more I think the cliche 'if voting worked they wouldn't let you do it' (or at least that's the gist of it) is true. "My use of “peace” has nothing to do with war and peace. It is an olive branch of sorts" I know. Your point wasn't lost on me. You are clearly a much nicer person than I. Regarding, "I recognize the humanity in most people," I don't really even try when it comes to the elite. But when it comes to the peasants... of course. Again... the people are victims. Regarding, "I mostly support progressive policies but not their ideology." I'm not sure I understand the distinction. Regarding, "Nothing wrong with ideology until someone strictly adheres to it and morphs into an ideologue. Ideologues are the most dangerous people on earth" I feel like you are making a big jump from "ideology" to "ideologues" and acting like they are the same thing. So if I can follow you... you support progressive policies but not the ideology even though there is nothing wrong with an ideology only when you get extreme about it? How do you even support progressive policies without supporting progressive "ideology?" Do you have an ideology? If so what is it? Regarding, "I do not think Jimmy dislikes Yang." I do. And I only think he covers him because 1) jimmy does like UBI and 2) jimmy can't resist stories of corporate media smears and they do do that of yang. Let's say jimmy was a yang supporter... he sure AF didn't fight back when aaron repeatedly said he don't like yang. And jimmy's not the type to keep an opinion to himself even if his guest is saying the opposite. Regarding, "he is beginning to see the utility of universal basic income." UBI is not yang and yang is not UBI. I like UBI. I do not like yang... even a little bit. Regarding, "Unfortunately, he has not studied Yang’s ideas in depth so he is vulnerable to progressive talking points against Yang," Go on... Regarding, "the “regressive” nature of Yang’s ubi funding mechanism." It is regressive. Youtube video titled "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" the first thing yangs offers to pay for UBI is by gutting the social safety net. All the money that once went to pay for a social safety net is gone to pay for UBI. That's as regressive as you can possibly get when you should be having the rich pay for it. Regarding, "I was surprised at Aaron’s near-hatred of Yang" I was too. Full disclosure: I loved it and feel the exact same way. I was THRILLED to hear him say it. Regarding, "his use of progressive talking points against him" This seems like a bad way to dismiss what someone is saying. Just because something is a "talking point" doesn't mean it's wrong. You need to say why what he is saying is wrong and not this. Regarding, "his heart is in the right place" That's just it... I don't agree with this. Regarding, "his ideas are pragmatic" He has one idea that is worth a shit and even that is as bad as he can possibly make it. I think he is shit on essentially anything that isn't UBI with minor exceptions on smaller topics. Regarding, "I prefer focusing on implementing policies that will actually make a fundamental difference in our lives like universal basic income" He's trying to bribe everyone to keep the current shit system. He isn't even trying to keep the current shit system. He wants to make it worse by getting rid of the social safety net that does exist before giving you your UBI. And then... because he doesn't want to change ANYTHING else then all that UBI will funnel to the top just like it does now. "universal healthcare" While running for POTUS yang lied and said he supported m4a. Then when his health care proposal came out it was not m4a. Not even close. He is a liar. "ending endless wars." He sounds a lot like a neoliberal warmonger in a lot of ways. Those things you just listed as important are things that yangs really sucks on. That probably is why aaron and jimmy aren't big fans. "The only quicker way to bring about change is through an actual Revolution where blood is spilled and I prefer we not go down that road if at all possible." The establishment is lucky I'm a pacifist. Mostly I just think we are fucked. I don't pretend to have all the answers. But I'm telling you why I don't like yang. Regarding, "Long comment but you asked. ~ Peace." I'd be a hypocrite if I had a problem with long replys but add some paragraphs next time. Thanks. Peace.
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  1459.  @BobbyU808  Regarding, "I do not think you are demonizing me at all." Good. I'm not trying to. Even if we disagree about some things this is the type of conversation I enjoy. I should that there is a type of "person" that I do also demonize. It's people who I think are shills and disingenuous. They are largely to blame for how toxic alot of the conversations have become because their "arguments" are so terrible and they can't be swayed by logic and reason because they are paid not to. "I’m only nice until I’m not." Same. I do concede I can be a real dick at times. Especially when talking about topics such as politics. If you aren't talking about war crimes and your blood doesn't boil you lack empathy in my opinion. "I don’t love it as much as you apparently do." I do tend to reply to everything. Even things like this that I probably shouldn't. "Jimmy did not refute him but neither did he join him." He did. Aaron first says he doesn't like yang at about the 4 minute mark. Jimmy's response, "I'm not on bored with andrew yang either." "This does not prove anything but I have heard Jimmy talk about Yang in a positive light." More likely you heard jimmy talk positively about UBI and you are conflating it to extend to yang. I've heard jimmy defend yang against bad faith smears but I've never heard him really endorse him as a person or as a politician. "He once said that he is glad that Yang is running for mayor because he considers Yang anti-establishment." That's praise of "anti-establishment" and is not really praise of yang. I can't stand trump, but I'm glad he ran. It helped expose just how rotten the "democratic" party is. But again... that doesn't mean I like trump even the slightest little bit. "while it is true that not all talking points are not “talking points” as I frame the term, some are." If you have a problem with "talking points" then you need to break down what is wrong with them. What you are doing is just dismissing points being made as "talking points" as if that refutes those points in some sort of way. It doesn't. In short I think you would be wise to just dump the terms "talking points" and instead just treat the things people are presenting to you as POINTS. Instead you seem to call them talking points and that is enough to just dismiss them outright for you. "For example, “Yang wants to gut the social welfare net to pay for his ubi” is simply not true." It is perfectly true. Saying yang doesn't want to gut the social safety net is the lie. And that is what you are spreading. If yang didn't want to gut the social safety net to pay for UBI then his UBI would be built ON TOP of the current system. But that isn't what he wants. He wants to gut it to pay for UBI. Those are the facts. In the interview I cite the very first thing he thinks of to offer as to how to pay for his UBI is taking hundreds of billions of dollars that was going to go pay for our current social safety net and he was going to raid it. Make it disappear and use it to pay for UBI. THAT'S GUTTING. Please stop suggesting it's not. "Yang’s plan, ubi would stack on top of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SSDI and housing benefits, among other things." No doubt this is how he sells you his UBI but why you so convinced he isn't lying to you and would gut SS to help pay for UBI when he is already willing to gut food stamps to pay for UBI? He thinks one is "double dipping." Why should I think he doesn't feel the other is "double dipping?" Are you sure he wouldn't also be willing to gut SS as a compromise if need be? Or let's say yang is everything you think he is and he's everything I don't think. And he passes UBI. It's even funded progressively like I want. But then he goes away. How long until corporate dems and corporate republicans gut SS and say it's fine because you have UBI? Ultimately yang has already told you he is going to gut the social safety net. I mean how much money does he need to raid from it for you to agree with that? Does he need to take every last dollar? Hundreds of billions of dollars per year isn't enough for you to consider it gutted? "one can argue that this is the first step towards gutting the safety net, but conservatives used this same slippery-slope argument against proposed laws to ban automatic weapons." Dems have never held a goal of getting all guns. Republicans and corporate dems all have dismantling the social safety net on their to do list. It's a pretty apples to oranges comparison for that reason. "Another progressive talking point, which Jimmy unfortunately ascribes to, is that Yang plans to fund his ubi with a regressive vat tax." As far as a "vat" tax I'm no expert, don't claim to be, don't care about this argument, and speak intelligently about it in the least. For that reason I'm going to skip it. It's already regressive because he wants to take billions of dollars earmarked for poor people to pay for it. The rest is just details to me. "if someone lives abroad, his ubi would be suspended but would accumulate" Huh? Why would we give people living in other countries this? Not that this is very important to the discussion at large. But this seems very wrong to me. "(since the one of the purposes of ubi is for the money to be spent in one’s community in order to stimulate the economy" So they can come collect a check and then go back to where they were living. Accumulate some money UBI. Go get it. Repeat. I hope this isn't how it would work. "This is real power because the elites fear only one thing - the country going bankrupt." Yeah. I'm pretty UBI is there plan. Especially as designed by yang. Bribe the peasants with a set number of crumbs that is as small as you can possibly make it (that's why you gut the social safety net to help pay for it). That way they are content and willing to overlook the fact that all the other problems are overlooked and all that UBI money funnels to the top just like it does now. This country is headed toward collapse. UBI is the elite play to keep the gravy train rolling in a world where they understand SOMETHING needs to change. Universal health care would be far worse for their bottom line that UBI would be. So that's what they are going to give us. A small bribe to keep literally every other shit institution we have. A small bribe that is going to all end up in their hands anyway. Yippie. "Ubi would level the playing field like nothing else besides a real revolution" While I do consider a good UBI a game changer and "systemic change for the better" universal health care and a living minimum wage would both do more in the long run to level the playing field. Those are actions that allow the people on the bottom to keep the money they have. Instead of just giving them money they know will go to the rich in the long run. "he also supported ending endless wars" If you say so. He seems like a neoliberal warmonger from everything I've heard him say. " rank choice voting" This really shouldn't impress anyone. It should be a given. "imposing a ban on politicians from sitting on corporate boards and engaging in paid-speeches during and after leaving office" What a half ass measure in a world where we need all money out of politics. "strengthening union rights, de-privatizing prisons, the public funding of elections" He talks pretty good talk here but I don't really care as I think he is a conman. Any of this only holds weight when I think someone isn't just pandering. Yang hasn't held a political office in his life. For that reason I shouldn't even be able to say he is a liar. I should only be able to realize that after he talks office. But he has already proven he was a liar on m4a. An issue that is far, far, far more important to me than of these issues. So even if I agree with the things he says why should I believe him? When I already know he is a liar on one of the issues that is most important to me? Donald trump said he would "give everyone great health care." So what. That only means something when that person has credibility and your guy doesn't have that. "working towards universal healthcare" You aren't slimy but I hope you felt a little slimy saying this bullshit. "working towards..." How weaselly. I want universal healthcare. I don't want to "work towards" it. This is like trying to have your cake and eat it too. I'd respect yang more if he would just admit he doesn't care about it rather than lying about it like this.
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  1460.  @BobbyU808  "the decriminalization of all drugs including heroin, and the legalization of the sex trade" The best thing about yang is that he does push the overton window on some topics. I concede this is a good thing. But that is not the person and I do not think the person is good. "Yang had the most expansive policy of all the candidates" It's easy to say you support things when you don't have any actual power. AOC says she will fight for m4a all the time. That doesn't mean she would force the vote. "platform" Biden platform included: 2k checks, 15 dollar minimum wage, a public option... I guess what I'm saying is is that I don't really care about a person's "platform" very much. It looks like Yang might win mayor. It he does he can prove me wrong about what I think about him then. Til then it's just talk. Talk I put less than zero faith in. Prove me wrong yang. Be great. But I won't hold my breathe because he isn't. "he was the only candidate to point out how America has interfered in the elections of many countries" So bernie has never done this according to you? You should check again. "He also pointed out on the debate stage and on CNN as a commentator that having a “D” next to your name was considered toxic by the working man." I don't give people credit for saying things that are ridiculously obvious and take zero courage to say. "Joe Biden and the real president, Kamala Clinton." They are both just puppets for corporate interests. "we could not coalesce our forces" It was clearly possible. You should ask why it didn't happen. Why was yang running to the left of sanders? He sure as fuck wasn't going to take biden voters. But there he was... cockblocking sanders and serving establishment interests in a race he had zero fucking business being in.
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  1461.  @BobbyU808  "that’s on Bernie and his supporters." It's not their fault Warren stayed in. It's not their fault tulsi and yang were running against sanders when they should have been doing anything and everything possible to push him over the hill. Pete and amy did what was best for their team. Why didn't the so called "progressives?"
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  1462.  @BobbyU808  Regarding, "I think that the reason why you despise Yang..." I openly admit that it's one of the reasons I don't like him, don't trust him, and question his intentions. Of course this factors in. As does the fact that he wants to gut social security to pay for UBI. Almost everything he does makes me not like him. It all plays a factor in why I don't like him. "simply because he ran against Bernie and that you, along with your progressive cohorts" You can leave out the "along with your progressive cohorts" like I either needed them to come to this conclusion and/or I speak for some kind of group other than myself. Why shouldn't I hold this against yang? Do you not hold warrens actions during the primary against her? Candidates don't operate in a vacuum. We know where they do and do not draw their support. Yang being in the race helps the establishment and their goals of stopping sanders. At best that makes him a useful idiot for them. At worst it means his campaign was designed to siphon votes from sanders from the left and stop him from the nomination. "need a scapegoat to blame for Bernie’s loss" This isn't about bernie. This is about yang. I have lots of blame to place at bernie door but again... this isn't about him. The whole establishment conspired against sanders to stop him. I think yang was in on it. Hypothetically if I'm correct about that it means he is a POS. I concede I could be wrong about this. I concede this is merely opinion. But I have lots of evidence that makes me come to the conclusions I do. You are again using really weak ways to dismiss my arguments. You should be telling me why yang should have been in the race (he obviously shouldn't). You should be telling me how him being in the race wouldn't hurt sanders (it obviously did). The "arguments" you are using to dismiss may as well come from warren supporters to defend her and I don't accept those coming from them anymore than I accept them coming from you. Warren is a snake. I suspect you agree with that. But maybe not. Well I think yang is a snake for lots of similar reasons. I also have almost no good reasons to like him. "Instead of looking inward for answers as to why Bernie lost" Instead of looking inward at yangs campaign, which this actually about, you are deflecting to talk about sanders campaign and their mistakes. Which are many. But this isn't about Sanders. " I had hoped that the Democratic Party would looking inward for answers as to why someone like Trump was able to defeat their candidate. Instead, they doubled down and blamed the American people" Actually they blamed russia. Which is just BS fiction. The party straight up conspired against sanders. That isn't fiction. The DNC said pete buttigieg "won" the iowa caucus. Let's not act like I'm peddling bullshit like russiagate. " if you truly believe that Yang’s objective was to gut the SSN" When asked how are you going to pay for UBI the first thing he thought of was on the backs of poor people. Yeah. That makes me think he isn't a progressive. "that he is a con man" Yup. 100 percent. And a good one at that. Which makes him scary. " then you would prefer Biden to Yang." What? I say lots and lots and lots and lots of things. I write epic novels. You could address one of the many many many thinks I think and you know I think them because I say them... or you can strawman me with shit like this. Again you are deflecting to talk about other people. This is about yang. Biden is a also a conman but he is a fucking terrible conman. It is a miracle he is potus. As for how I'd prefer... who gives a fuck. I'm not going to support either anytime soon. Yang could actually win my vote at some time. He is young and I could change my mind but I don't think I will have to. I think that after he actually gets a job in politics he will prove he is a fraud just the way AOC is proving she is a fraud. I'd love it if you guy proves me wrong. Time will tell. But he won't. And when he gets a job and sucks don't be afraid to call him out for his BS. "Biden better than Yang is an absurd proposition on its face." I can't tell you how happy I am to stop having people compare and contrast Biden and trump and to talk about who which POS I think smells worse like it matters. It doesn't. If yang was just a plant and only in the campaign to try and stop sanders then that would make him worse than biden. I prefer people who stab me in the face (which is far more what biden would be doing) than people who stab me in the back (which is what yang would be doing assuming my conclusion is correct). "The first thing I thought was that this guy did not sound like your typical politician." That's a favorite thing cited by people enticed by the conman donald trump. Another favorite of the professional conman is getting yourself a non profit that you can parade around to signal how great you are. It's also the type of thing that is perfect for corrupt politicians and quid pro quo. Yang is a great conman. "everything about his past life told me that this was a man who walked the talk." He's like pete buttigieg. A person who has designed their entire life around the goal of being president. Pete is a terrible conman and talks like a robot. Yang is a great conman. Feel free to send me all you know about his non profit and the like. I only conclude a person is a con after knowing about them. I became an atheist cause I read the bible.
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  1463. When people make the government care.
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  1464. You are just being willfully ignorant at this point if you want to think climate change is a hoax and I expect that no amount of evidence is going to sway you. I'm certain I'm an idiot for talking to you at all.
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  1465. Regarding, "please refrain from addressing me in the condescending manner for which you seem to have a penchant." Nope. I am going to do as I see fit. I am justified in being condescending to you for the same reason I'd be justified in being condescending to a flat Earther. Your position does not justify respect. Only scorn. But you will kind of get your wish. I am done with this. I don't have the time or ambition to tell you why gravity is a thing either.
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  1466.  @steveguy7165  Can you translate that into English?
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  1467.  @steveguy7165  How do you claim mass immigration if you also claim they are all sneaking in?
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  1468. The elite are not "the left" nor do they represent it... jimmy does.
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  1469.  @fourmilier.  Quotes doesn't change that fact that they are not the left. It's only what they want people to think... and you are helping them.
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  1470.  @fourmilier.  What you are describing isn't "the left." It's a blue cult.
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  1471.  @fourmilier.  It's a political party and their tools. It's not "the left."
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  1472. You should go have a long talk with the orange clown.
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  1473.  @Freedomisadream  You should never reproduce and have kids. Please don't. Sincerely, society.
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  1474.  @Freedomisadream  I should also add that "You should look you’re children in the eye and tell them you are a scared mess" is really funny coming from a coward scared of masks.
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  1475.  @Freedomisadream  People scared of their own shadow can look at you and think, 'what a pussy.'
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  1476. I hate watch once in a while.
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  1477. But the establishment thanks you if you want to keep smearing sanders and the best hope we have for progressive policies in the near future.
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  1478. No. Fuck you.
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  1479. Do you need Bernie Sanders to tell you what to think or can you think for yourself? Well.... I guess when you do try to think for yourself it seems you think dumb things. You want to cry and bitch about him endorsing Hillary? Do you not see how important it is that Hillary is blamed for her loss and not him? Don't get me wrong they still tried to blame him but it didn't work because he didn't give them ammo to use. Stop crying like a bitch. As nice as it would be it isn't reasonable to expect him to do everything. As a politician... go figure... he needs to play some politics. It sucks but there isn't another way to get what we want.
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  1480.  Rip Cord  "Shall not be infringed" Your "land of the free" imprisons more of it's population than any country on earth, even all the countries you don't think are free. What are you waiting for?
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  1481. The only reason he talked about Gaza was because he thought it was a way to attack Trump, not for the legit reasons he should have.
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  1482. No prob. It is understandable you might make that mistake because the corporate media, who is quick to say how paying for college is unaffordable and unrealistic, didn't even feel the need to mention the extra money going for bombs that would have more than covered Bernie's plan for free college tuition.
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  1483. Sadly it isn't going to be stopping anytime soon because war is a great way for some to make money. The "war on terror" isn't meant to be won. It is meant to be perpetual. And so it will be unless we can get a President and government to stop it. Actually Trump has spoken about health care but that is only to tell us how he is dismantling obamacare. I'm torn about this. On one hand the ACA is pretty terrible but it did cover more people than before it. I'm hoping that it going away only accelerates us toward universal health care. Time will tell but there is no way it will happen under President Bone Spurs.
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  1484. Please sign the petition if you haven't already.
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  1485. Jimmy Dore Show regarding, "Who is smearing Bernie? WTF are you talking about?" Don't be afraid to read all the comments under your video. If you did you would know exactly what I'm talking about. You would also know that I've answered that question in this thread. I was talking about your viewers and about the people commenting on it. I'm talking about the ones who call him a communist. I'm talking about the ones who call him a sell out, controlled opposition sheep herder working for "democratic" party. And I'm talking about all the bullshit between. That's what the fuck I'm talking about and I shouldn't need to repeat myself or explain what is pretty fucking obvious.
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  1486. Eric regarding, "Do you even understand what wealth is? Wealth is not money or capital, wealth is the ability of a given person to leverage human or natural resources that exist in the system." Um... do you understand what wealth is? Because, according the independent arbitor, the dictionary, wealth is, "an abundance of valuable possessions or MONEY." Look man I know you want to go off on a tangent and make this conversation about how capitalism is the devil but it isn't about that nor am I interested in opening that rather huge book of conversation. It's about Sanders and I'm not looking to go off the rails from that.
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  1487. big regarding, "I'm calling it now, contested convention and berne gets screwed again?" The establishment is corrupt but they are not stupid. They are well aware that one of the only ways they jeopardize the future of the parties existence is by using superdelegates the way everyone fears. Ultimately that isn't their purpose because if they did use them that way it would very possibly lead to the destruction of the party. And I'm confident most of us would be happy to see the party crumble so if nothing else let's make them do it. Let's make them use superdelegates that way... you know... like they have never ever done.
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  1488. late you lost me at, "trump has done a lot more to wake the american people up" I feel no need to read the rest.
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  1489. Grizzly regarding, "Why is it that none of the words you use, or actions you take, actually change the balance of power in America?" I'm pretty sure hostile takeover of the party, and "political revolution" are effective ways to change the balance of power in America. What do you offer? 3rd parties? Like I've already pointed out Jill Stein got 1 percent of the vote against 2 of the most despised humans in the country. That leads me to believe it isn't a viable plan.
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  1490. Eric regarding, "he wants to save America, rather than to teach Americans how to save themselves." He talks about a political revolution. He has encouraged and talked about how people need to run for office and get involved. Here's the bottom line... the game is rigged as fuck. It isn't that Bernie is the only one who can help lead us in a new direction but he is best positioned to do so. He won't face the problems in 2020 that he did in 2016. In 2016 he was virtually unknown. He faced media blackout. In 2020 he is the most popular politician in the country with the name recognition of a rock star. He will have front runner status and the corporate media won't be able to ignore him. We need advantages like that if are going to have hope of overcoming the rigged game.
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  1491. William regarding, "the establishment wants a communist like Bernie in power" The Jimmy Dore Show has no fucking idea what smears I'm talking about. Meanwhile we have stupid fucking comments like this. That said thanks for proving my point for me you fucking twat.
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  1492. Cheryl regarding, "some people do not understand terms?" I agree with you. Take for instance the people calling Sanders a communist.
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  1493. Regarding, "he wants to save America from capitalism" One of the things I like about Sanders is that he says what is on his mind and what he thinks. Never have I heard him say something like this. The closest he gets is when he talks about capitalism when it comes to a specific topic... like health care. Regarding, "through reforms that smooth out the rough edges of capitalism." To me this is just a long way of saying regulation. Breaking up monopolies, ensuring safe working conditions, ensuring reasonable wages, protecting the right to unionize, and more are just regulations to ensure capitalism is not allowed to run amok. Regarding, "But it doesn't work." It absolutely did. Regarding, "Over the long run..." The notion that because regulations can be rolled back, need to be continually addressed, and aren't a perfect til the end of time means they "don't work" is really silly. I really prefer to address all points as they are made but I'm not going to do that for you going forward. Like I said and you want to continue, this is pretty much all about capitalism and not about sanders. That said I will address some things. Regarding, "Roosevelt ushered in the political and economical reforms, but he never..." It isn't reasonable to think someone can do everything. Those reforms speak for themselves and I take issue with what I think is diminishing great accomplishment. Regarding, "A democracy only exist when..." Let's agree to disagree about your very narrow definition of what need be for there to be a democracy. There is a reason the word representative is a synonym for the word politician. For example I don't need to be "actually participat(ing) in the decision making" when it comes to an issue like the war on drugs. If I consider that a priority then I get to support a candidate and they are suppose to represent me on that issue. I don't need a direct hand for their to be democracy. Regarding, "or Bernie, really inform the voters" Bernie Sanders is a guy who wants to talk tirelessly about the issues. Regarding, "I would say they terribly misinformed the voters." Let's agree to disagree. And if they are "terribly misinforming the voters" then what would you call what corporate media does? Regarding, "because they want to get rich and climb the social ladder." Yeah... it's called human nature and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Guys want to get their dick wet. It's pretty much their motivation for everything after they reach puberty. Without it you are likely to have a complete waste of a human being who accomplishes nothing with their life. Getting paid, getting the girl, and being popular drive us to do what we do. It helps make us productive and useful to society. You can't get rid of it and shouldn't really want to because without it you lose an important driving force for the human race. Who needs to aim for the stars if their isn't an alien to bang or, at the very least, a woman on earth to be impressed by it. Regarding, "Can you not see that the politicians wants to be corrupted," That said there are exceptions and it isn't the only thing that drives us. There are still plenty of people who just want to make the world a better place, whose priority is looking out for their fellow man, and they understand that a place to do that is in politics. Not everyone wants to be corrupted even if there are some who are good with it. And those are the people we should be supporting for political office. I feel like you are all over the place and now I too am all over the place when I want to have a very specific discussion. If you think I'm missing your point I'm fine with that. It really feels like all you care about is trying to piss on capitalism as innately evil. It isn't. It is merely an economic system. You hate it. Fine. I don't care.
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  1494. Regarding, ""Dictionary" is an independent arbiter?" Um.. yeah. In that it is what everyone thinks words mean. You just asserting, "wealth is the ability of a given person to leverage human or natural resources that exist in the system," is not backed up by anyone's understanding of what the word means as it's used. Holy shit are you all over the place with the rest of comment. Even after I've made it clear that this topic is suppose to be about Sanders nowhere, in that really long post do you even try to mention his name. I'm done with you. Peace.
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  1495. It's worse than AOC being silent... she has been openly terrible and gaslighting people the way corporate dems like to.
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  1496. Is your orange clown in on it?
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  1497.  @sanfransoho  That ideology being common fucking sense.
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  1498. There is no difference between not voting and voting no. Stop acting like he voted for it.
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  1499. It is a litmus test in that I will never support a candidate who doesn't support it. That said just because a candidate says they support doesn't mean I will necessarily believe them. That is done on a case by case basis.
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  1500. 4:58 Whatcha doing down there steff?
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  1501. You go ahead and ignore the fact that he has done more to expose the DNC for their suck than anyone on Earth then.
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  1502. Jimmy is legit our only chance to vote for someone good in 24. Dore 24!
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  1503. Don't get me wrong I'd dance a jig if the party blinked out of existence but that sad reality is that the party isn't going anywhere anytime soon even if the world would be a better place if they didn't exist. Seeing as how that is the case hostile takeover of the party is not a terrible idea and worth trying. Corporate dems can be purged the same way progressives were purged.
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  1504. I'm sure ISIS and others with no moral compass agree with you.
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  1505.  @celerywarrior6493  Meh. I think it's brutal and not just because I relate to it.
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  1506. I "need" herpes more than him.
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  1507. Max headroom?
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  1508. We know the for profit system is an epic scam. We know Canada pays half as much per person for their universal system. I wish you had the same skepticism for the current fucked up system.
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  1509. ".you get a lot sayings wrong." This is either a good joke or hypocrisy.
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  1510. You are not smart.
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  1511. Some people likely didn't show. You need a majority of those that do show and vote.
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  1512. Maybe as well claim a billion since you are just making shit up.
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  1513. Watch the video. He doesn't like yang for good reason. He sucks.
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  1514.  @peterpeter8217  It's either that or only swedish people work there.
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  1515. So you are a proponent of making votes not count equally. Good idea you clown. Swing states should decide the fate of the USA. Fuck off
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  1516. Do you always blame victims like this? It's pretty sick.
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  1517. Regarding, "Edgy." Huh? How do you not realize that makes no fucking sense?
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  1518. Magoo regarding, "Less money in politics? Since when?" Since never. Go back and read what I wrote. I'm not defending Republicans, I'm insulting them. I'm saying that not only do they want tax cuts for the rich but they also want war, less regulations (like gutting the EPA), corporate welfare (like bank bailouts), money IN politics, and all sorts of other things that suck for the country.
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  1519. You pic says "I'm with stupid" when it should say, "I am stupid."
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  1520. I will never understand people that care more about a party label than anything else.
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  1521. The rich are doing great. That's who should pay.
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  1522.  @stevencoardvenice  "I love your nuanced approach" Thanks. I certainly like it more than "nuanced" militarism.
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  1523.  @rugdnit911  "The 2a is non negotiable" It's already literally an "amendment." Do you care about the constitution or not? Because the best thing about it is that it allows itself to be changed and you fail to understand that.
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  1524.  @kski5432  "the 1st can also be infringed" It already is being infringed. There is probably only about a 90 percent chance that this comment that I'm writing won't be shadowbanned. "Would that be you thinking?" No. I wouldn't support any sort of new laws restricting the first amendment. But I understand that it is an amendment and that the consititution was not some perfect document that can't be changed. I understand that it already has been changed.... many times. Do you?
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  1525.  @psychonautpupildiallater7734  ""God given right"" You can't even prove your god exist much prove they have "rights" they have given you.
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  1526.  @psychonautpupildiallater7734  ""God given right",.. how is that negotiable?" And I honesty have no clue what you are talking about. I must have missed the commendment where "god" says thou shalt not limit your ability to own guns! Was that number 11?
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  1527.  @psychonautpupildiallater7734  "You obviously haven't read the Constitution then." You don't even attempt to say what I'm getting wrong. Maybe just be quiet.
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  1528.  @kski5432  "we go based off wording" Not about which one they put first? Even when I'm sure they put that one first and this one second for a reason? Well I'm sure you care very deeply about the part of the 2nd where it says "well regulated" at least then right? I'm just kidding. We both know you don't.
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  1529.  @kski5432  "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." You must be devastated that you are not allowed to have nukes huh? Is it unconstitutional you can't?
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  1530.  @kski5432  "The First Amendment..." Do you have a point? Or are you just wasting my time?
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  1531.  @angelald8172  " protects the first and all the rest for that matter." I'm not sure what you are waiting for. All your guns aren't doing anything to stop them from infringing on the 1 amendment and all your rights already. Seriously... what are you gun nuts waiting for?
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  1532.  @spunkinater  ".the government is not your friend." Thanks captain obvious. If it makes you feel any better I want the government and the militarize police disarmed first. "Protect yourself" No amount of guns is going to do that. But good luck with that.
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  1533.  @UniqueBreakfastTaco  "maybe dont act like the smart guy when you dont qualify." Sorry not sorry if facts trigger you. The constitution allows itself to be changed and I've made zero statements about how likely that is at the moment.
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  1534.  @UniqueBreakfastTaco  "maybe dont act like the smart guy when you dont qualify." People like you inspired dunning and kruger to form their original hypothesis. You legit concede the only point I'm making and somehow that makes me the dumb guy?
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  1535.  @Kiyoone  " it does not represent the COMMON PEOPLE INTERESTS anymore." When did that document allowing slavery represent the peasants?
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  1536.  @Damn3dYank33  "Do you realize there are more than one Constitution?" Yes. For the purpose of this conversation I'm talking about the United states constitution.
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  1537.  @UniqueBreakfastTaco  "i see i was correct with my first assessment" Your deflection that was completely irrelevant to anything I was saying? Have it for all I care. I see I was correct in everything I was saying.
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  1538.  @davyboy9397  "can we agree that only allowing the police state to have weapons isn't a good idea ?" I'm the same guy who in this thread said that I want the militarized police disarmed first, assuming it's not being shadowbanned. My comments very often are. I say defund the police. I think that should answer all your questions.
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  1539.  @davyboy9397  "You really want to allow the Fed" I say abolish the FBI and abolish the CIA.
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  1540. The "land of the free" since it's inception, with slavery.
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  1541. Do you always blame victims like this?
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  1542. It's really not and nobody cares about the semantics nor is it important to the discussion.
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  1543. "We're all still human man." Would you recite this BS if we were talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Well it's just as nonsensical here.
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  1544. It's obviously about m4a.
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  1545.  @ewalker1057  I find it hard to believe that you don't understand why attention would be directed at AOC as opposed to everyone else. AOC was the one saying she would fight for m4a. AOC is the one whose words aren't matching her actions. Regarding, "It should be about HR 1384 Medicare for All Bill that was presented in 2019." LMFAO. What? You are deflecting.
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  1546.  @ewalker1057  Regarding, "The entirety of Congress is needed and should be held responsible. Not just one individual." I find it difficult to take you seriously when you say everyone should be held accountable when you don't seem willing to hold one of m4as more vocal advocates for it accountable. AOC has been given a gift because corporate dems did so terrible. If she doesn't take this opportunity it says something about her. Stop shielding her from responsibility and then we can start holding everyone responsible. Regarding, "Hes ignored the fact Medicare for All Bill HR 1384 is already composed and was presented to Congress." Was it voted on? That's why he ignores it, and rightfully so.
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  1547.  @ewalker1057  Regarding, "it's the responsibllity of the entire Congress." We are trying to force the entire congress to vote on m4a. We are literally trying to get what you are whining about. Regarding, "Knowledgeable of functions of each branch of government is lost." Did I say something wrong? Regarding, "No bill like HR 1384 can pass without the majority of Congress." No shit. Don't care. You are a waste of time.
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  1548.  @ewalker1057  Regarding, " Ignorance and bias makes it just Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez responsibilty" It's not just her. It's about all the progressives who ran on m4a. But she is the face of that group. That has nothing to do with things like gender. Do you intentionally try to sound like a "Correct the Record" troll?
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  1549.  @ewalker1057  Regarding, "He should have made it soley about forcing the vote." As if AOC has nothing to do with forcing the vote. You are a joke.
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  1550. If only we had a world filled with "grifters" who were fighting for m4a.
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  1551. @It's All On A Whim Regarding, "Why stop at just Medicare 4A?" Are you under the impression that people don't also support other policies? Why are you pretending that we only want m4a? Regarding, "Why don't we get bigger US cash payouts too like a permanent UBI for just being citizens, 3k per month or even 5k" I'm open to the idea of UBI but 1) I am far, far, far more convinced that health care should be treated like human right than I am convinced that money should be treated like a human right and 2) if we just had a UBI without reforming the current system we have then all that UBI money will flow to the top just like it does now. Without reform it's just money that ultimately gets vacuumed up at the top just like all the money does now. Regarding, "That way we can all party party party the whole night long !" Wait, you were being sarcastic? And to think I took you seriously for a moment. That was dumb of me.
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  1552.  @user-ht3sc3sz7h  Regarding, "Performative moralistic grandstanding, gatekeeping and stabbing your own in the back" What an apt description of AOC's actions. How you can't you think about HER when writing those words is beyond me.
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  1553. @It's All On A Whim I can't take you seriously enough to respond to you intelligently at this point.
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  1554. @It's All On A Whim "Intellegently ? At this POINT ? YIKES .. do you really think everyone thinks"LEFT" ? ??" Are you trying to prove my point that you shouldn't be taken seriously?
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  1555. Because the party isn't going anywhere and some want to fight for the soul of the party.
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  1556. Canada manages to pay half as much per person for their system so I guess I'm not too worried about your silly fearmongering.
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  1557.  @octagondoctor  Regarding, "you can't equate what Canada does to the US." I wasn't "equating" them. Regarding, "So many things are different." No shit. Regarding, "What is medicare 4 all going yo achieve if Big Pharma is still up charging?" I don't even know where to begin. You eliminate the multiple complex system that costs billions every year, you can eliminate the middle man who job is ONLY to produce profit and has NOTHING to do with health care. Regarding, "Do you even know what GPOs are???" I find this funny coming from someone who can't grasp the concept that m4a would be a good thing with great benefits because it doesn't tickle your balls while doing it.
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  1558.  @octagondoctor  Regarding, "you are not very smart" That's the dunning-kruger effect you are experiencing. Regarding, "M4A would be good." Is that why you are spending your time pissing on it? Regarding, "But what good is a goverment healthcare plan, if hospitalizations are cost prohibitive and medications are 10x more expensive here than anywhere in The world." If canada can provide a universal system that costs half as much as the us they prove I don't need to shit myself about what you think I should be scared of. Regarding, "You are mad because I simply showed you reality." I'm frustrated with having to share the world with morons like you that make me feel like I'm living in the movie Idiocracy. I'm done addressing you.
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  1559.  @octagondoctor  "M4A doesn't solve the healthcare problem," The phrase, "Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good." only needs to be a thing because you are that epic stupid that you need to be told this.
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  1560. Common sense. That sadly isn't as common as it should be.
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  1561. Maybe so but it's not going anywhere.
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  1562. This.... but I thought it would still take longer than a single day.
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  1563. You remind of people looking for witches back in the day. If they lived they are guilty. If they die they were innocent.
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  1564. I guess everyone should just sell out then. There is no point in fighting for change since we have already lost and have no hope for change.
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  1565. So you have surrendered. I haven't. I'm going to keep fighting.
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  1566. "Ana used to dress wildly inappropriate for a news room" How dare he state this obvious fact after ana exposed herself to everyone at work. /s
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  1567.  @mandarintomato9205  "were you there?" Nope. Were you? Or do you at least have good reason to question the story as told by jimmy despite it all making perfect sense and adding up? "Who is to judge what is inappropriate in dress" We do. Would you mount this type of idiotic defense of me if I wore a banana hammock to work and nothing else? "it is outrageous for Kyle and Krystal to throw Jimmy under the bus like they have done." Stick to this and scratch all the other BS.
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  1568.  @joehilner4830  They are never going to stop being a POS but at least no one takes them seriously anymore.
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  1569. You are talking about a war criminal who had an official in a foreign government we don't have a declaration of war with assassinated. Peace prize. LMFAO. Just as worthless as Obamas.
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  1570.  @TheManOnTheRail  Regarding, "Sure hope you get something sorted out." So do I. That said I have zero hope for the future of this country. I just hope we don't take the whole world with us when we crumble. Regarding, "We have the NHS. It's not perfect but its still better than brilliant." I know it has it's problems but I'd happily trade our system in for yours. Regarding, "Good luck." Thanks. We need it.
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  1571. If it were really about making people healthy and wasn't about making money then they would give the people universal health care.
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  1572. Kyle was in the wrong. He wasn't being smeared. People had LEGIT problems with him based on FACTS. What apples to oranges bullshit. It's just another thing kyle was wrong about.
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  1573. I guess maybe you and kyle think that jimmy should have displayed no integrity the way kyle as he lies for ana. That he thinks jimmy should have lied for him. What nonsense. Kyle was going around using the n word more than rappers and some people didn't like it. They weren't lying about kyle.
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  1574. That is the type of statement that requires evidence otherwise you are a douche.
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  1575. Canada pays half as much per person for their system, that doesn't leave millions uninsured, where medical bankruptcy isn't a thing, whose results are better.
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  1576.  @Andy_Capp39  Your question is funny because if the government did m4a that would be the government doing something good. I also wonder why you don't spend a little more time criticizing the current for profit health care system that currently has you bent over. I would think that would have your attention more than your fears.
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  1577.  @Andy_Capp39  Furthermore if you think that canada is doing what is best for their people when it comes to health care (they certainly are compared to the US) then it shouldn't be so hard to imagine that the US government is capable of doing the same.
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  1578. People who write "change my mind" have minds that can't be changed on the topic they are addressing. Change my mind.
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  1579. I will never understand anyone who cares more about a party label than anything else.
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  1580. Hello regarding, "You don't see a difference between the major parties and third parties?" Yes. Of course I do. I think you are misunderstanding my point if you think I was suggesting otherwise. Regarding, "It's where the money comes from." Bernie Sanders isn't all of a sudden going to be raising his money in totally different place depending on where he would run. Regarding, "the Democratic Party refused to fix itself" The party is a dumpster fire. They are not going to all of a sudden change unless they are forced to change. Sanders could force them to change but only if he wins as a democrat. I think you would be wise to help him. Regarding, "They seem to be actively working against change." Yup. I'm not claiming otherwise. Regarding, "I'm not giving any support to that party," I guess we think of things very differently. When I vote I don't consider myself to be supporting the party of the candidate I'm voting for.... I'm supporting that person. I care about supporting good people and honestly don't care what party label is on them because the person is forever more important than a party label. That is my point. I love Bernie Sanders. I support him. I don't care if he wants to call himself a dem, green, independent, republican, martian, or other. That isn't what is important to me and don't think that should be important to anyone.
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  1581. Hello regarding, "the Democratic Party is corrupted." The "democratic" party is sucks. I referred to them as a dumpster fire. You don't need to tell me the ways the party sucks. I know they do. Again, that isn't the point. Regarding, "You say that it hasn't affected Bernie's integrity" I didn't say that but now that you mention, yes, I do believe that to be true. Regarding, "the way he pushes the Russiagate narrative" I think this BS is being completely overblown. I don't think this is, at an important issue and at all an important issue to him. He doesn't call for war with Russia. He has merely said that the activities surrounding their actions be investigated. I consider that to be very reasonable. I do think they fucked with us. I think it is only logical to think they did. They are being accused of the exact same shit David Brock and correct the record did so I don't think it is that unreasonable to think they did. I also think the US fucks with everyone else so I'm not going to act like them fucking with us would be a great surprise. And just because I think they did and I think it should be investigated I hope that doesn't mean people think I want war with Russia. I don't. Not in the least. But again I think you are missing my point. My points is that if you think Bernie has been corrupted and if you think Bernie talks about Russia too much then DON'T FUCKING SUPPORT HIM. Period. Don't support him if he runs as a Green or Independent. Stop acting like the label is more important than the person. Regarding, "The Democratic Party..." Again, more shit about why the party is a dumpster fire. It seems clear to me that you are missing my point. Yes the party sucks. We don't disagree on this. Regarding, "The only way that they are going to be forced to change..." and "he will not be allowed to win the 2020 primaries." So it seems pretty clear that you think and want them to change. I am pretty sure that your do nothing til they shape up approach is not good personally. And even if I thought it was good strategy (and I don't) I personally am not willing to wait. This country needs change right fucking now. Sanders will be allowed run in the 2020 primaries. I'm not going to pretend the game isn't going to be rigged. It is. Which is all the more reason to try and help in my opinion. I also think voting in the primary is one way that you can force the party to change. If you want them to be progressive then vote in it for the most progressive candidate you can find. And if they succeed in forcing a corporate shill into the general you don't owe them jack shit and are right to vote for anyone else. Regarding, "Bernie is allowed to win the primaries, I might be willing to support him at that point" It would really be nice if you would support him before that because he isn't likely to get to that point without some help. If you want progressive democrats then fight for it. Don't just bemoan how much they suck. And I'm not saying you should be doing so blindly. Do it if you believe in him. If you don't then don't. But don't act like the party label attached to him is more important than the man himself. It isn't.
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  1582. I'm not sure. Him not voting is no different than if he voted no. The only thing that matters is the number of yes votes something like this gets. The number of no votes is completely irrelevant.
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  1583. He absolutely spoke out against trump being censored. Do you just have no clue what you are talking about or are you intentionally gaslighting people? "If you were honest." He is honest. Why aren't you?
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  1584. Jimmy even spoke out when they were trying to censor alex jones and he spat on alex before that.
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  1585. Stephen Hawking's corpse is smarter than you.
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  1586. What do orange balls taste like?
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  1587. You bring down the average intelligence of the world by over a point.
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  1588. You are why Trump loves the uneducated. Too bad you aren't a lot smarter. Then you would be able to realize how dumb you are.
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  1589. Cute dog in your picture. And I'm sure they are smarter than you.
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  1590. Are you projecting? Not once did he mention a g-string. That's you doing that.
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  1591. So you attack jimmy? Lame.
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  1592.  @anubis8491  "attacking tyt does nothing" Exposing frauds is never a bad thing.
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  1593.  @ursamagickmt672  She is only where she is because people believed she would fight for m4a. If the only thing she cared about is her career than she is doing herself a disservice. You sound like you used to work for hillary's CTR with your BS.
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  1594. Elon is not a savior. He is just another POS billionaire oligarch.
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  1595. I don't care about that. I care that he is and always has been a liar.
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  1596. I agree they should die but they are not going anywhere anytime soon. The best hope for the party is that Sanders win as a democrat so he can reform the party from within. He could, for example, ban them from taking their legalized bribes among other much needed reforms. They maybe we could have a party that cares about the people and not their big money donors.
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  1597.  @Josephrealdill  RFK sold you out to israel.
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  1598. Yes. She did. By MILLIONS of votes. And that is coming from someone who despises the bitch. Stop being a fucking moron.
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  1599. I don't do twitter. But dunking on cenk is tempting.
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  1600. You know it's rigged against the Green party as well right?
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  1601. Malachi regarding, "what about progressive democrats?" I personally support progressives regardless of their party affiliation (because I am first and foremost a progressive) and encourage everyone to do so. I identify as a green party member more than any other party but blindly voting for any party and blindly ignoring other parties is small-minded thinking in my opinion. I'd prefer to leave that trait to staunch republicans and staunch democrats.
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  1602. 700 billion per year. An increase of 80 billion.
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  1603. Literally no one says it's the US's fault alone but don't let that stop you from building that strawman.
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  1604. So your solution is to make votes in some of the largest states in the country like NY, California, and Texas fucking meaningless and let swing states dominate the country. You don't give a fuck about the perception that some only a handful of voters get to pick... you just want to pick who gets to pick.
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  1605. You shouldn't need to be told that they are joke propogandists... then again you likely are as well.
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  1606.  @yisun-sin5879  They have proven to doctor their videos. You either know this and are pretending not or just an idiot. Either way you suck at life and are a clown not to be taken seriously... just like veritas.
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  1607. In the age of information ignorance like yours is a choice.
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  1608. Yup. As wrong as ben was I'm glad he was on.
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  1609. Yes to free speech. No to elon musk. F that guy.
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  1610. Holy shit are you dumb as fuck. I could use a good laugh though... What exactly did Trump do to make America $4 Trillion since taking office?
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  1611. Come on buddy. I want to be smart like you. What exactly did Trump do to make America 4 Trillion? It must be pretty fucking amazing. Did Trump steal it from Mexico or something? What did he do? I eagerly await your answer.
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  1612. Come on Nismo I looked up "Trump has made America $4 TRILLION in his first 6 months in office," and it tells me you are full of shit. As it turns out Trump really hasn't done jack fucking shit since getting office other than stacking his cabinet with swamp creatures. So what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe I just don't go to the right websites. Maybe this is at alex jones or breitbart so that is why I'm such an uninformed idiot. I want to be smart like you. What did Trump do to make America $4 trillion? If what you say is true and not complete fucking bullshit surely you would want to say and gloat about how amazing Trump is. I'm waiting. I can't fucking wait. Please respond. We live in sad times and I could really use the laugh. Please respond and don't be a fucking coward. It wouldn't reflect well on Trump supporters if you puss out.
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  1613. I think you are conflating how nice a person is with whether or not they are correct on an issue. I have family members who are willing to walk off a cliff with corporate dems. That doesn't make them bad people. It makes them wrong. Have some perspective. And when you demonize people who are wrong you don't persuade anyone, you cause them to double down and entrench themselves.
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  1614.  @BoRaiChoWins  I was going to go off on you... then I kept reading. :)
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  1615. Richard Medhurst is live right now. If you like jimmy you will like him. Do yourself a favor and check him out. Peace!
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  1616. Secret as in how the court is conducted dipshit.
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  1617.  M G  Did you remove the idiotic thumbs ups you gave your own comments? Good for you. I didn't think you had the self awareness to be embarrassed enough by them to take them down. Maybe there is hope for you. Probably not. But maybe.
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  1618.  Sasha Ja rom  Regarding, "how is Trump racist?" Maybe read what I've already written in this thread. I've already answered this so I feel no reason to take you very seriously. Well done deflecting to talk about biden like trump cultist love to do. As if he has anything to do with whether or not trump is a racist.
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  1619.  Sasha Ja rom  Regarding, "how is Trump racist?" Tell you what, I'll copy and paste what I've already written as if you actually care what my reasoning is. You obviously don't. "But why is trump a racist? Take his racist wall policy. Why does Trump only care about a wall on the southern border? Why does the guy who loves walls not think we need a wall on that wide open norther border? Because he is a racist. He only cares about building a wall between us and the country that isn't predominately white."
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  1620. The US is punching itself in the d ick.
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  1621. The establishment thanks you for doing their work for them.
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  1622.  @bondbranden  He's still a huge fraud and he was more recent than obama. Stop comparing POS. I don't care which one you think smells worse.
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  1623. @WeAreIt Regarding, "We already knew who trump was." I might have but plenty of trump fans with degrees from trump university clearly didn't. There are already people who want to make excuses for him or deflect from the fact that he sucks by pointing at obama as if I care who is worse when they both suck. Regarding, "he isn’t the biggest fraud" Wait is the conversation now about who is the biggest fraud of all time or about who is the biggest fraud during a period of time? Why would you lie about what we are talking about? Obama and trump weren't happening at the same time. So who was the biggest fraud during trumps years if it wasn't trump? Oh right.... it was him.
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  1624.  @candycanessongs  Regarding, "You sound like a fraud Clint." Go on... Regarding, "You sound like a fraud Clint. You just want the conversation to stop." Never said I want the conversation to stop. Pretty sure that means that if anyone is a fraud it's you. Regarding, "How very "Democratic" of you." LMFAO. I'm here pissing on obama and the fraud squad and call them frauds but you want to make this partisan. LMFAO
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  1625. @WeAreIt Regarding, "So yeah Obama is the biggest fraud." Let me try and keep this simple in the form of a question. Who was the biggest fraud during the trump era? Spoiler alert: it wasn't obama, it wasn't aoc, it was trump. Regarding, "inconveniently trying to protect Obama" I'm not "protecting" obama. I just recognize that he wasn't president during the trump years. This isn't rocket science dipshit.
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  1626. @WeAreIt Regarding, "Obama is the biggest fraud." This is not about raking frauds from first to last. It's about who is biggest fraud from an era. Obviously. Does your brain melt when people rightfully call trump a fraud? It shouldn't.
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  1627.  @madashell7224  Why? Are republicans not frauds?
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  1628. What about trump?
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  1629. Was that sarcasm or do you really not get that I wasn't agreeing with you?
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  1630. My problem with you is that the conclusions you draw, again, as I already pointed out, leave no room for nuanced thinking. You just go ahead and go back to thinking literally everyone is working against you.
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  1631. In all honesty I think you are a fucking moron. Too stupid for me to want to address all your bullshit intelligently. Good luck with that.
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  1632. "She never ever bs'd anyone about how neither party is worth ish" Now you are just BSing. Ana has always been blue no matter who when it's election season. Are you paid to gaslight people?
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  1633.  @zoobrizz  Is that the best that you can do with your pathetic smears? All you are doing is proving that you are an idiot.
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  1634.  @Naldito15  "The next election will consist of 2 new puppets" Thanks in part to people like you who feed their narrative that's it's only about the two major corrupt parties.
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  1635.  @gwarlow  "Don’t vote for anyone" The establishment appreciates and counts on apathy like yours. Maybe don't do what they want like this.
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  1636.  @cockoffgewgle4993  "no it didn't" LMFAO Yes. It did. I hope you are at least paid to gaslight. "predominantly affected the poor" LMFAO Blacks are predominately poor. "people who committed crimes and did drugs." Meanwhile, in reality, hunter biden is out and about.
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  1637.  @cockoffgewgle4993  "no it didn't" It did. Sorry not sorry if you are triggered by facts. "predominantly affected the poor" Blacks and minorities are predominately poor.
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  1638.  @cockoffgewgle4993  "no it didn't" In the age of information ignorance like yours is a choice.
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  1639.  @sniperjared  "people getting locked up for dealing" I'm white as snow, old as dirt, smoked my entire life as have been ALL my dealers but I've never had to deal with the problem and I'm not the one the "stop and frisk" for no reason.
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  1640.  @davemartino5997  "our fault blacks love making money slinging rock ? Spare us your idiotic talking points" Never said that. Spare me your idiotic talking point.
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  1641.  @davemartino5997  "It’s our fault blacks love making money slinging rock ?" You have anything to offer about the things I've actual said f face?
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  1642. 8:56 "Nobody says that was right." Doctors are saying it's ok because they are the ones writing the prescriptions. What a tool that propagandist must be.
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  1643. It must be nice to think complex topics are actually "simple."
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  1644.  @Pauliewalnuts_822  I'm not a biden supporter and not looking to defend him or his positions. He is a complete POS. That doesn't mean your original comment isn't also trash.
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  1645.  @Pauliewalnuts_822  Also, FYI I'm not a right winger triggered at being associated with biden. I'm way left. I just understand that the world is incredibly complicated and that painting with huge brushes like you did in you OP is just idiotic. The world is grey.
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  1646.  @Pauliewalnuts_822  Regarding, "I am an idiot so explain please." I will give you one example among many of a person who votes democrat and isn't a "right winger." A left winger who has been brainwashed by corporate media propaganda. I promise you they exist.
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  1647.  @Pauliewalnuts_822  There probably aren't a ton of examples like I made it seem but another example is a left winger who adheres to a lesser of two evils philosophy and considers the democrats the lesser evil.
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  1648.  @Pauliewalnuts_822  There are left wingers who are too busy living their lives just trying to put food on the table to be properly informed about who they are voting for.
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  1649.  @Pauliewalnuts_822  Anyways... it's not so simple. Pretty much nothing in life is. When you think something is simple you should probably rethink things.
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  1650.  @Pauliewalnuts_822  Also, justice democrats are not right wing.
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  1651. You are either intentionally lying or stupid beyond words. Either way you suck at life.
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  1652. It's not that labels aren't important. They are. But they aren't nearly as important how brainwashed the public is into thinking they need to be supporting one of the major parties. Hillary and Trump are fucking despised and still essentially everyone supported one or the other. I mean seriously... look at the labels that are attacked to those pieces of shit in addition to pieces of shit. They are garbage. Still they got what percentage of the vote? Essentially it all. Starting fresh sounds cool but it isn't practical in this country.
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  1653. I personally think the surrender tactic is a mistake.
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  1654. I think you overestimate labels. I care about effecting policy. I care about getting a major party that doesn't blow. Hostile takeover is the quickest way to achieve this. It accomplishes 2 goals at once... getting a major party of our own and killing the neoliberal wing. Corporate dems can be purged the exact same way progressives were purged. We just need to win.
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  1655. And if hostile takeover doesn't work I will likely support the green party. But I consider that plan B.
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  1656. Masks are the devil.... think epic dipshits.
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  1657. What good is your movement if it won't even use the little bit of power it has to bring m4a to a vote?
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  1658. He might be saying the right things right now but if you trust him, a politician, then you are a dupe.
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  1659.  @dillonbatia880  What? I don't need to be a politician to know they are full of it.
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  1660.  @dillonbatia880  "I don’t trust politicians the same as you" I'm not sure what context you think you were using but "politician I trust" simply is not something I'd ever say. One way or the other we are not the same.
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  1661. You really don't think full scale war is a risk?
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  1662. Sir Change regarding, "Bernie is the DNC's outreach coordinator, he gets paid to promote the turd of a party." I'm not sure how you can believe this. Bernie's existence has single handedly killed the image of the party. Because of Bernie far more people are woke to the rot in the party than if he were not around. If he is their promoter he clearly needs to be fired. They lost to fucking Trump for fucks sake. But if you want to think this go ahead. I just think it is beyond fucking stupid. Regarding, "Bernie's remarks on the BDS movement were morally reprehensible" I already said I didn't know what you were talking about. Seems to me it would have made sense to offer a tiny bit of specifics as opposed to a very general smear that is utterly meaningless without detail. Put a fucking quote up there so that I have something I can actually address. Regarding, "The Russia baseless accusations" You seriously don't think they fuck with us? I don't even blame them really. But I think you sound foolish to think they don't. Regarding, "w/o tangle evidence is reckless, like Iraq war reckless." Again, if we go to war with Russia... which we are not... you would have a point. Since we are not you sound silly to conflate the two. But speaking of Iraq Sanders was one of the few who spoke out passionately and accurately about why we shouldn't go to war with them on the Senate floor. If you are not aware of his words it is worth watching. And considering he voted against the Iraq war your choice of this analogy is very curious to very disingenuous. If I knew nothing and read this I would be lead to believe Sanders supported that war. Regarding, "and avoiding to speak about the one that happened in the party he now promotes" Because of Sanders they were fucking exposed. Sanders is the reason they rigged everything. Americans fucking hate people who are perceived to be whiners even when their whining is justified. Is that the last thing you want him to accomplish... some whining that literally accomplishes fucking nothing except making you feel good. You already know they are corrupt. Everyone should know they are corrupt. And again, if they don't know it now Sanders saying it isn't likely to change anyones mind... some people are just hopeless. Regarding, "if he doesn't challenge an election process that was rigged and is vulnerable to hacking" This is what you want? You want him to fight a battle he can't win and sacrifice his ability to win all the other battles yet to come. That is fucking stupid. I'm not sorry he isn't falling on the sword for you. He can't change all this shit by himself. Leave that to the lawyers. Regarding, "There are no political calculations when it comes to addressing the reason we got Trump in the 1st place" It is called POLITICS for a reason. Just "addressing" shit doesn't bring out change. Regarding, "Because the Democratic Party propped up Trump as the pied piper, colluded against Sanders, suppressed voters, limited debates, all while claiming to be impartial." Yup. You should thank Sanders for letting you know all this even if he isn't straight up telling you personally. I'm not sure how you can realize the party colluded against him and think he is their bitch at the same time. Regarding, "Bernie owes every person who donated to his campaign an explanation for not calling out the DNC's corruption." As a person who donated to him I want him to continue the good fight for the issues I care about in the best way possible. Pissing and moaning about how obviously fucking unfair the election was ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING. Not only that but, like I've already pointed out, it diminishes his ability to accomplish things going forward. Regarding, "what good is single payer or any progressive agenda when..." I assure you the millions of people without insurance feel differently than you about this. Regarding, "our election process is completely untrustworthy" It is fucked up. You know how we go a long way toward solving the problem? Get a guy like Sanders as head of the party. You know how we do that? Not by bitching and smearing him. But the DNC and the establishment appreciates you doing their work for them with your shortsighted thinking.
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  1663. Sir regarding, "to use Bernie's popularity to herd the sheep back to the fold" This doesn't seem to be working. Their approval is going to shit. People like me who used to consider themselves democrat are leaving the party. I identify with the Green party far more than the "democratic" party but that doesn't mean I won't support candidates I think are worthy of my vote if they run as democrats. People are forever what is important... not party labels. Regarding, "As a matter of fact they..." I am not, in any way, trying to or looking to defend the "democratic" party. They are a fucking dumpster fire. Ideally they would just die and be replaced with something better. But I try to be a realist. I do not think they are going anywhere anytime soon. I believe the best way for progressives to proceed is by trying to take over the party. That said we need to be working on a plan B and that includes supporting other progressive parties and not letting the "democratic" party think they can take our votes for granted. Not only that but we need other parties to try and pull the "democratic" party to the left. All of the shit you mentioned the DNC not doing was a result of Hillary "winning" the primary. If Sanders or another true progressive win in 2020 real reform might be achievable. Regarding, "without addressing their massive failures and corruption in 2016" Does this really surprise you? It is our job to point out that their lawyers admitted in court they don't think they need to be fair. It is our job to make sure they continue to fail until they actually represent us. Regarding, "I am honestly burnt out w politics" I understand the sentiment. They want us to quit. They want us to give up and just submit. Don't let them win without a fight. Politics is too important. It affects everything else in our lives. Regarding, "we are suppose to lower our standards bc that's what "reasonable" people do" That is bullshit. That is just a stupid corporate media argument by people who are trying to force you pick between a douche and a turd sandwich. That is what sheep do and I refuse to be a sheep playing their game. I am going to continue to vote for good and be willing to lose. The only wasted votes are votes for terrible candidates yo don't want to win. Regarding, "the party has done nothing to prove their legitimacy" Again I don't care about the party. That said I do care about the country and think the country desperately needs at least one decent party. I support people. I support Sanders because I believe in him. He has been around a long time and in that time he has fought for the things I care about. I'd support him if he called himself a democrat, republican, independent, green, or martian. That said I agree with him trying to work within the framework of the democratic party. Not as an insider but rather as more of a hostile takeover. Regarding, "have done nothing to prove to voters that they will reform" They absolutely will not on their own. We must force them. Regarding, "chooses to take political calculations regarding addressing the very problem with the party" Sadly this is the game that needs to be played. You have to pick your battles. In an ideal world Sanders could rail against the bullshit the DNC pulled. But this is far from an ideal world. Regarding, "This is nothing to brush under the table bc he is afraid to lose support." Again I am a firm believer that the best way to proceed it by reforming the democratic party from the inside so that he can work to reform the party. Let's say Sanders runs and wins in 2020 as an independent. Then what I think happens is both major parties oppose him, nothing of substance gets done, then after he is gone everything goes back to "normal." If Sanders attacks the DNC like you want they would be very justified in locking him out of the next primary which they are perfectly capable of doing if they want. He has to at least give the appearance of playing ball to prevent this. They literally can just pick their nominee if they so choose and hold no primaries what-so-ever (not that they would... they would at least try to give the appearance of elections... just without Bernie). That isn't why they are so corrupt. They are corrupt because in their own charter they say they are to be fair not take sides (which clearly they did). But Bernie could not have a side at all if they choose. He has to be careful to not give them an excuse to do so. Regarding, "otherwise he will lose his job with them." Again, more importantly he would lose the opportunity to take over the company. It isn't about working with them... it is about changing them. Regarding, "there is no evidence of hacking, None what so ever." The CIA came out and said there was hacking. Did they present a smoking gun? Hardly. Do I trust them? Not normally and not really. Still they are this nations spy agency and they said it happened. Again this is a time when you gotta pick your battles. Do you think a lot would really be accomplished if Sanders instead said, "fuck the CIA, they are lying." I don't. Again I assume, without evidence, that Russia fucked with us. I assume they do all the time and that this wasn't new but rather same ole, same old. Regardless I do not consider this to be important at all. In a country that has lots and lots and lots of problems this is not really important to me what-so-ever. We are not going to war with them anytime soon. This is just a stupid distraction and unimportant... at least it is to me. Regarding, "BDS." Human are inherently flawed. We all have biases. I for example admit that I am biased in favor or Sanders. I am likely to give him a pass for something where I might not for someone else. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt where I might not for someone else because I believe in him and trust him. I like to think that me knowing and acknowledging this helps me be critical of him thou at the same time. As for Sanders I suspect he, as a Jew, is biased towards Israel. That said I have heard him say critical things of Israel as well. "There comes a time when if we pursue justice and peace, we are going to have to say that Netanyahu is not right all of the time,” for example. Again, I didn't even know what BDS was so, as you can imagine, this is hardly an important issue to me. I care most about domestic issues. On foreign policy I am a peace loving hippie. Sanders record on war/peace has been excellent over the course of his time as a Senator. This comes from a biased guy but I'm willing to give him a pass on some rhetoric that really is not very important (I doubt I'm the only person who has no idea what BDS is), in an area where he is likely biased, and we are not going to be solving anytime soon. I just don't think his comments here are that important but again understand that this is not an important issue to me like it may be for you. And something like this is not going to be nearly enough to get me to change my view of the rest of his record which I consider to be exceptional.
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  1664. Remember fraud squad. Never forget.
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  1665. Riptide regarding, "in case you haven't been paying attention the DNC selects the presidential nominee on their own and publicly stated they have no obligation to go with the will of the people." You are mischaracterizing the truth. The DNC says it is within their power to select the nominee (and sadly it is), but they don't actually do it. Primary voters absolutely do have a say in the matter as much as the establishment then tries to silence them.
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  1666. marsha regarding, "I'll never vote Dem again." You know I'm talking about the primary and not the general right?
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  1667. B4 regarding, "I didn't realise you were talking about the 2118 Primaries..I thought you were referring to 2120." I am talking more specifically about the 2020 presidential elections but all of my points are equally appropriate and applicable to 2018.
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  1668. Anna regarding, "nope the democrats aren't progressive" As a whole they absolutely are not nor have I suggested or implied they are. I'm pretty sure I've trashed them quite often. And they aren't going to become progressive by magic. Use the power you have to vote in their primary to make them progressive. Regarding, "vote republican just to piss off dems more." I think this is pretty fucking stupid but this conversation is not about what to do in the general. That is a completely different topic.
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  1669. Random regarding, "When people are ready for a real democracy they will demand a 3rd party solution." So what is your plan until then? Regarding, "If Bernie runs as a Democrat again he's for sure a sheepdog." So you are going to his lifetime of working for progressive causes. You are going to ignore the fact that there isn't a person on the planet who has done more to expose the party for how corrupt they are than him and you going to smear him because his plan is not the plan you would make? I think that is silly. Regarding, "the Democrats lawyers admitted they were a corrupt corporation" Without Bernie Sanders campaign that never happens.
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  1670. Regarding, "Ds & Rs are the same" Fools love to paint with broad brushes because they can't do nuance very well. The "democratic" party is a fucking dumpster fire for the most part but if you think that every single one of them is a piece of shit they you are being too blinded by hate for a party label. There is little difference between that and blind loyalty to a party. Support good people who share your values regardless of party labels.
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  1671. groch regarding, "you could find something better and build it in to a far better political party then the democratic party could ever hope to be." You go ahead and do that. Seriously that is a great plan. But in the meantime, while that is being done I'm going to try to shape the "democratic" party into something better. That is not the same as saying I'm going to vote for them in general elections.
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  1672. Alan Gann. I'm sorry I can't take you seriously enough to respond to you intelligently.
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  1673. hoodie regarding, "Aren't you in a time warp and ignoring the dynamics/dirty tricks pulled by the 2016 D national convention" No. I'm quite aware. Regarding, "And you say you're waiting for the D party to do all that b s again" No. I expect they will. I am saying that I'm going to do what little I can to fight them. Regarding, "I am not buying your banana oil - you're a D party operative, I suspect," You are being absurd. The path you are advocating is what the party actually wants which makes is more likely that you are a party operative than me.
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  1674. Truth regarding, "If you vote for Democrats, then you are in fact in bed with Wall St." Do you really not understand the difference between voting in the primary versus voting in the general? In one election (the primary) you are not actually trying to elect a person into office but rather you are just trying to shape the parties candidate. In the general you are voting for a person to hold elected office. They are very fucking different and those differences are very fucking important.
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  1675. Kathleen regarding, "Tulsi, Warren or Bernie need to leave the Dem Party. Giving power to a Criminal Cabal with new front puppets changes nothing." Really? You don't think that if the dems nominated Sanders that would change nothing? Regarding, "The Dem Party is utterly compromised and corrupted." Yup. And voting in the primary is your one chance to do something about it rather than just bitching about it and pointing it out. Regarding, "Why not make a real difference and boycott the Dem Party, instead." Because that is counter productive to getting the change you want. That is passing up the opportunity to make the dem party better.
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  1676. Omar regarding, "Warren." Most recently she voted for the department of offense budget. I do not trust her and think she is only progressive when it is politically convenient. That said if she were the nominee I would have to think long and hard about voting for her or the green party nominee.
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  1677. Coyote regarding, "I will vote my conscience. Voting for the lesser evil has failed me for 50 years" Vote your conscience. Don't vote for the lesser of evil. But VOTE. And don't pass up the opportunity to vote in the primary. The general isn't the only place where your voice can be heard.
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  1678. Omar regarding, "her banking POLICY and Bernies" Her banking policy is the place where she is best. Still I don't trust her and for the same reasons Coyote mentioned. The war budget and DAPL are litmus tests for me and she failed them both.
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  1679. Omar again regarding Warren. Being a human I am not entirely logically based. I also have and use my intuition. I don't trust Warren. I just don't. But this isn't really about her. Let's try to stay on topic.
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  1680. Jason regarding, "no way" What a compelling argument.
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  1681. Dan regarding, "Voting won't get it back." We are going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not looking to quit like you.
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  1682. Jay regarding, "I'll wait patiently for a third party that is actually out to help regular people." On behalf of regular people, "go fuck yourself for sitting on your hands and choosing to do nothing while we are fucked over. The war is going on now whether you choose to fight or not."
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  1683. berz regarding, "ppl are just sick and tired of being fucked over." They should be. I know I am. Regarding, "the DNC is corrupt beyond repair" Maybe. But I'm going to fight to repair it anyway. If it doesn't work I really haven't lost anything. Regarding, "it needs to just go fuse with the GOP once and for all." Don't hold your breathe waiting for that happen. Regarding, "but they are going to do that anyways" If you say so. Still I think waving the white flag instead of trying is dumb. Let's make them "do it anyways." Regarding, "ill be damned if I get to give em the "and look how many ppl voted in out primaries!" line." Is that really your biggest concern and problem with the plan? And you would rather let them say their corporate stooge is getting more than the more progressive candidate? Regarding, "participation in it is just not a viable option anymore." The DNC is very happy with your decision and thank you for it.
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  1684. Kap regarding, "Your name translates into government funding for the corrupt figureheads and their corporate masters." No it doesn't. It merely gives you the opportunity to shape the party instead of just bitch about it.
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  1685.  @LordBouz420  The lies mostly.
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  1686. If you actually had a vote wouldn't you be better off using it to get something you want?
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  1687.  @ronwest7930  They also shouldn't be corrupt, lying POS. But you support them anyway.
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  1688.  @ronwest7930  Is that how you rationalize supporting corrupt POS? I don't really care. Good luck being a moron.
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  1689. This is sarcasm right?
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  1690. Vote for good people. Ignore party labels.
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  1691.  @RickyParker666  "willing to drop political positions/play defense for congress people who don't support m4a," Too vague. Stop alluding. Be specific. "SMEARING" Smears are lies you have to even attempt to give evidence of him lying. I concede I don't read everything, I'm just addressing points as I go but it's your responsibility to provide the evidence before claiming they have smeared anyone. Let's see if you get there a little late. "leftwing creators like vaush" I'm not too familiar with vaush but from my limited understanding there is nothing "leftwing" about him. "SMEARING other leftwing creators like vaush on Twitter right now" You don't even attempt to prove evidence of your claim. It makes me think the person smearing is you. "any sympathy I may have had for him getting "Mccarthy smeared"" LMFAO. You still haven't provided any evidence whatsoever. I have trouble believing you ever cared about the attacks of jimmy. He's been smeared and blackmailed and people want to blame him... THE VICTIM. You are tough to take seriously. I hope this is going to get better from you but I very much doubt it. "smear others on Twitter." Smears are lies. You have yet to provide a single specific instance of him smearing. That makes you the person smearing. Anyone can say the things you are but for you to be taken seriously you need to provide specific examples like you absolutely are not. I don't do twitter unless you got something specific to point at. "Kyle has done nothing but cu*k himself" Lies of omission about blackmail. Ghosted jimmy because he has a potty mouth to stay out of it with cenks nephew to talk about pocket pussies and diminish the importance of blackmail and smears. In his "apology" he tried to excuse standing up jimmy because he was too busy standing up jimmy. Claims millions of dollars doesn't make TYT corrupt. Claims I can wear a banana hammock to work and it's fine. And more. "what jimmy did was ABSOLUTELY sexual harassment," LMFAO It absolutely was not. The person guilty of sexual harassment at the time was the boss who was exposing their ass at work. Clearly. "any HR department in the real world would have kicked him out on his ass." LMFAO Speaking of asses and who should be kicked out for their behavior have you heard the one about ana exposing herself at work? That's what actual sexual harassment in the work place looks like. I suspect you would understand that if I were flashing my ass to you at work. "And Don't hit me with the "indecent exposure" line" LMFAO I'm sorry if the truth hurts. That's not on me. "equating a wardrobe malfunction to indecent exposure is bad faith as fuck" LMFAO Let's say I accepted you BS about it being a wardrobe malfunction which I don't. Or let's say I had a "wardrobe malfunction" at work. You sure AF have the right to point it out to me and I would want you to so that I could stop from exposing myself at work which believe it or not has never happened to me in my life. Go figure.
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  1692.  @RickyParker666  "saying that "a public option is still m4a"" What is the title of the video and at what time? "vaush" I honestly don't know enough about him to say anything on the topic. For all I know he's guilty of it all... or he's not. I just don't know. I do know that you are just making claims but not really providing evidence for it. If you can prove he is lying do that instead of what you are actually doing. "Your setting a really terrible precident arguing that what happened to Ana was "indecent exposure"" LMFAO Let's say, hypothetically, that her arce was out. Are you really going to tell me that it would not accurately be called "indecent exposure?" "and you shout out "hey everybody, look at that guy's junk"" LMFAO Nope. Your really setting a terrible precedent that this as anything like what happened. That is not anything like what jimmy said. In your hypothetical I would DEFINATELY make sure that you know you've lost your clothes. If a girl lost her top I'd make sure she knew she lost her top. In all of these situations there IS NO WAY of the person no be embarrassed about the situation. It's not the fault of the person telling them to put their bits back where they belong that they are embarrassed. It's the inevitable result of the situation assuming it's only an accident. And if it's not an accident then it's clearly sexual assault. "good faith" I'm not going to lie hearing you speak about "good faith" gives me a giggle. Projection is common for people taking your side in this.
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  1693. @J R "I'm not interested in your answer to my question." You aren't interest in the question period. You only play pretend so you can say stupid shit and not be challenged for it. "I don't view you as anyone whose opinion I care about." LMFAO I've been a fan of kyle for a really long time. That's whose opinion you don't care about? Your intellectual dishonesty is showing.
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  1694. "Tried to end senseless wars." If only he were the commander in chief he might have been successful... oh wait... "real leader" At best he was grossly incompetent at ending war. Or most likely you are just a dupe buying snake oil from a conman.
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  1695. How else would he bring up the time he spit on a guy?
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  1696. Making sure it's citizens have health care isn't a legitimate function of government? We are going to have to agree to disagree about that.
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  1697.  @bravecaucasian  Is the bill of rights the definitive source of "legitimate function of government." Don't bother getting back to me. I don't actually care what you think or what the bill of rights left out (which is A LOT). I have my own ideas about what a "legitimate function of government is." And it includes helping it's people be healthy.
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  1698.  @bravecaucasian  Also... look at the entire world, who provide it's citizens with universal health care, and get back to me.
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  1699.  @bravecaucasian  "The US Constitution is the law of the land" I know. And still you cited the bill of rights and not the constitution. "The US Constitution is the law of the land" The greatest thing about the constitution is that it allows itself to be rewritten and changed. You'd think a guy citing the bill of rights would see that and acknowledge it. Instead you act like it's gospel. "The Bill of Rights says nothing about "health care"" Yup. And still I don't care. But thanks for this captain obvious. I've never suggested otherwise. "my point is that if lefties want it to be a right then they need to add an amendment." I want to add an amendment so your point is a waste of everyone's time. "Giving the current corrupt federal government even more control over our lives might not be the best idea considering nothing they do ever benefits us and ALWAYS ends up infringing on our rights." If this is how you want to rationalize the current POS shit system and not trying to improve it so be it and I don't really care.
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  1700.  @bravecaucasian  "our current federal government is criminal and corrupt." And you give those corrupt POS exactly what they want. They don't want a universal system. They want to keep price gouging you and making money off of your health with the current shit system.
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  1701. Maxfield regarding, "How thick do you have to be to keep voting within a system that is demonstrably and legally rigged" What are you proposing? I throw my hands up and give in without a fight? That is what the establishment wants and I'm not going to let them win without fighting and without voting. Regarding, "How blind do you have to be to ignore all of the dumb and inexcusable shit Sanders has done since July last year" This is they type of thing that requires you give examples rather than vague smears. Regarding, "The establishment wants you to keep wasting your time and money on this completely pointless charade you think is democracy." Not nearly as much as they want us to quit... like you are advocating for. Regarding, "Your votes are being electronically rigged, and your money is going to controlled sheepdog candidates." You can't even give intellectually consistent thoughts. If you think Sanders is just a controlled sheepdog then why would they need to rig votes against him?
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  1702. Maxfield regarding, "coopted candidates" You really think Sanders is "co opted?" The guy they smear. The guy they blame for Hillary losing. The guy who is forcing them to take a position on medicare for all. The guy that is the reason they need to rig the primary. You are a fool. There is no one more responsible for people being woke to how corrupt our government and the "democratic" party is than him. He has fought his entire life for progressive issues. The establishment appreciates you smearing him as being co opted and thank you for doing their dirty work for them. Regarding, "demonstrably rigged game." Yup. It is rigged. Sanders is the best hope we have for leveling the playing field if that is important to you. Regarding, "You are not fighting for shiz doing that." So you are then by bitching and smearing the guy fighting for you? Again the establishment appreciates your foolishness. Regarding, "What you are doing is wasting time and effort by participating in theater, and believing it is real." Let's say I agree with you... and I don't. What do you propose? What are you doing? Other than telling me how foolish I am for fighting for what I believe in? Regarding, "Keeping your mind in this little box is exactly what the powers that be want." WTF are you talking about? Is that why I get attacked constantly for my beliefs by the establishment? Regarding, "There are many other ways you can resist." This is the type of statement I expect from our politicians. Absolutely nothing specific. Just vague garbage to try and attack my position. Regarding, "No meaningful change is ever going to come about because you voted for the right person." Whatever you got to tell yourself to justify your idiotic decision not to vote.
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  1703. Max regarding, "The same Bernie Sanders who stayed silent while obvious election fraud took place," Here is something I don't think you understand about Sanders. He wants to talk about policy. Always. That is his thing. I don't think he would talk about anything else if he could. I'm sorry he is not doing exactly what you want to do but even you should realize there isn't jack fucking shit he could do about it. That is what lawyers are for. Sanders saying anything about this is only perceived as whining and I don't know if you know much about Americans but they fucking hate anyone who is being perceived as being a whiner even if their whining is justified. Even Hillary Clinton supporters had an impossible time justifying her whining in her latest book. The only thing that he could have done is say something but what would that have really accomplished? It would have made you feel all rosy inside. It may have woken a handful of people but be real... if they are not woke to it already they are not likely to be woke anytime soon. And what would it have cost? A fucking shit ton. Again Americans don't like whiners and he would have lost support especially when the entire establishment comes gunning for him on that. He loses his ability to address what he really cares about... POLICY. Again you are totally fucking inconsistent with your thinking. On one hand he is a co opted and on the other hand the system is being rigged against him. If he is just one of them then why the fuck do they rig it against him. It makes no fucking sense. Regarding, "and later endorsed the perpetrator of the crime" Again you are talking about a fucking endorsement and acting like it is his soul. I very much disagreed with Sanders at the time but I understood why he did what he did. He sided with the lesser of two evils. He fulfilled his promise to endorse the democratic nominee that he made when he entered the race. HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE BLAMED FOR TRUMP WINNING! And can you really blame him for that? Not only is he a terrible human being like Clinton but Trump is also straight up OFFENSIVE. I sure as fuck wouldn't want to be blamed for him winning. Fuck he endorsed her and they STILL blame him. Imagine how much easier it would have been had he not endorsed her. And because he did Hillary and the corporate dems only embarrass themselves and make themselves look bad when they try to blame him. Regarding, "he publicly dismissed the idea that the primaries were rigged" Again you bitch about things that, even if he did them, WOULD CHANGE FUCKING NOTHING. Well nothing other than making you cum and hurting his chances at doing the things he wants to do to help the people of this country. Regarding, "The same Bernie who formed a covert "non-aggression pact" with Hillary prior to the primaries." Do you have any idea who Sanders is? You say this shit like it is unthinkable and out of character of him. Sanders is all about policy. Sanders desperately wants to win elections on ideas, not by attacking his opponents. Some people, like me, really like that about him. If you want someone who will say or do anything to win then I would think you would love Hillary. It's not like her signing that meant anything. Regarding, "The same Bernie who urged voters not to vote third party in the general." You know he endorsed Hillary because you cry about it constantly so why is this really so fucking surprising and offensive. How fucking stupid would be if he said, "vote for Hillary Clinton! Or third parties, whatever." Would that make any fucking sense what-so-ever? Obviously not so stop acting silly. Regarding, "The same Bernie who shunned Jill Stein's repeated attempts at collaboration, or at the very least, open discussion." I'm sorry he doesn't live his life exactly how you wish. He isn't perfect. He doesn't walk on water. But the decisions he has made have rightfully made him the most popular politician in the country. The decisions he has made have put him in the best position possible to bring about the progressive change this country rightfully deserves. I voted for Jill Stein but Sanders didn't owe her jack fucking shit if he didn't want to. Regarding, "The same Bernie who ignored Tim Canova's campaign against DWS, who then lost as a result." I wish Sanders would have done more. I honestly don't know for sure why he didn't. Maybe he was just tired as fuck after running an incredibly long campaign of his own. But blaming him for Canova losing is fucking idiotic. You sound like a Hillary supporter blaming Bernie for her loss. Regarding, "The same Bernie who is now actively perpetuating the "Russian's hacked the election" lie." Who says it is a lie? You? The CIA, this nation's spy agency, says they did. Do I believe them? Not exactly. But accusing the CIA of lying is opening an entirely new can of worms that Bernie is wise to avoid. Again doing something like doesn't change jack fucking shit other than making you feel good and hurting Sanders chances of affecting policy. I would like to add that, although I am skeptical of the CIAs reports, I ABSOLUTELY believe the Russians meddled in our elections. I assume they did before any reports just like I assume the US meddles in everyone else's elections without any reports. If you think they don't fuck with us at all then I think you are being a fool. Regarding, "The same Bernie who went on tour with Tom Perez to encourage more people to vote democrat." You mean that tour that allowed Sanders to get his message out including talking about medicare for all for example? That tour that only made corporate dems look bad? Yeah, that is something to cry about (that is sarcasm in case you can't tell). Regarding, "The same Bernie who's wife said on live TV that the media had treated them fairly during the primaries." Yeah, if only Bernie's wife had broken down and cried about how unfairly they had been treated everything would have been different. Again that is sarcasm in case you can't tell. Stop acting so fucking foolish. Try to focus on getting change where you can get it instead of focusing on the battles that are best left not fought. I don't need Sanders and his wife to tell me they got fucked over to know it. Do you? Do you think the people that like to claim it was fair are going to suddenly change their because Sanders wife says so? Of course not. Stop acting like it would change anything. Regarding, "The same Bernie who also refused to be "drafted" into a new third party." I agree with him. Let's say Sanders did and won the presidency (even thou he would need a majority of electoral votes and not just the most, even thou he would risk splitting left leaning voters), let's say he did. Do you think he would be able to accomplish much? Of course not. He would be opposed by both major parties and then after he is gone they go back to business as usual and nothing changes. Let's say Sanders runs and wins as a democrat. He could unilaterally enact party reforms such as banning them from accepting their legalized bribes and others. Then all of a sudden we might have a major party that is incentivized to care about their voters instead of their big money donors. Oh and congressional democrats would be more willing to help him make the changes this country so desperately deserves. If you care about getting vengeance on the party more than you care about getting things done for the country so be it but you are being shortsighted. Regarding, "if you think voting Democrat = fighting" I vote for good people. People who believe in the policies I do and have a plan to get them done and I honestly don't give a flying fuck about their party label. Only sheep think labels are so fucking important. Democrats, Republicans and you all think way too much about that label.
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  1704. Youtube says there are 8 replies but they are only letting me see half. Isn't that the type of thing that is suppose make china the bad guy?
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  1705. Well done on making me feel like I'm living in the movie Idiocracy.
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  1706. That is funny coming from someone who is dumber than a 3rd grader.
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  1707. http://www.jimkeady.com/welcome?splash=1
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  1708. Miriam adelson is the one with power. Trump is a puppet.
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  1709. ThOsE wHo PaRiCiPaTe In ThE wOrLd ArE hYpOcRiTeS
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  1710. The elite love it when you divide the people into "blue" and "red." Even when it comes to your state. So why are you doing what the elite want?
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  1711.  @songsandscience2295  They aren't describing comedy... they are describing propaganda.
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  1712. Is that how you justify making the votes of those people, who have a larger population than 41 states (assuming your fact is true) FUCKING MEANINGLESS. Seriously. There is zero reason for those people to vote and think it is going to do jack shit. Or in NY and Texas. People in 3 of the largest states can just as well stay home on election night and know that it isn't going to mean jack fucking shit. Meanwhile voters in swing states get to dictate the rule of the country. So it isn't that you give a fuck about a small group of people getting to make the call for everyone else... it is that you want to pick the right people in your mind to get to pick for everyone else.
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  1713. I guess my frustration with your stupidity can easlily be construed as being "triggered" to idiots. I'm sure it is much easier for you to say stupid shit like that then it is to intelligently refute my points isn't it?
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  1714. Like I literally just got done saying it is YOU and YOUR stupidity that makes me frustrated. But thanks for continuing to prove my point about you being a moron.
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  1715. Sure. I welcome you to insult me all you want. It's akin to being insulted by Hitler. Considering the source it's actually a compliment.
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  1716.    Regarding, "Trump in 2005 said that Clinton will have a tough future ahead because he hung out with Epstein" What is your point? Trump hung out with Epstein. Did you watch the video?
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  1717.    Regarding, "Trump also banned Epstein from all his establishments YEARS ago" Did he? When EXACTLY was this and for what EXACT reason? Regarding, "trump said Clinton will have a tough future for hanging around Epstein" Again... this is exactly what trump did. Was he just trying to be a hypocrite? It worked. Regarding, "Trump was only seen with Epstein what once?" LMFAO. Are you serious? Regarding, "maybe Trump was involved with him" Except for the maybe part. Keep polishing that turd. Regarding, "you dumb" LMFAO. I'm not going to lie I find this quite funny.
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  1718.    Regarding, "no not except the maybe part, because you nor I know the truth." In the age of information ignorance like yours is a choice. Regarding, "No that isn't what trump did considering there is NO record of trump going to Epsteins island." Do you always try to move the goalpost like this when your original comment is proven to be wrong? "he hung out with Epstein" That was the goalpost. Those are the words in your original reply. Regarding, "All you are doing is trying to pass off your retarded assumptions as truth which is very fucked up." All you are doing is trying to deny reality. It's really fucked up.
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  1719.    Regarding, "Except there is literally 0 information out there to prove what you are saying" Did you watch the video? Regarding, "That isn't moving the goal post? How stupid are you?" LFMAO. Original goalpost, "he hung out with Epstein " Goalpost after you moved it, "hanging around Epstein AND going to his Island often." How stupid are you? Regarding, "And? so what? I didn't include everything in my original comment," Whatever you got to do to rationalize being wrong and then trying to move the goalpost to cover for it. Even after you moved the goalpost... so what. Look at the start of it. It STILL includes, "hanging around Epstein." That is STILL hypocrisy because as we all know trump and epstein hung out. Regarding, "you still have yet to prove anything I said to be wrong." Good lord you are an idiot. You literally just admitted you were wrong and now you want to have your cake and eat it too. Why am I wasting my time talking to you? I'm done with this.
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  1720. "Your a simple idiot" LOL *You're
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  1721. Rigging your own elections if far easier than rigging a nation election. You got any proof?
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  1722.  @bigstein7075  I have. Got any evidence or just deflection?
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  1723.  @bigstein7075  So? Any evidence?
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  1724.  @bigstein7075  I'll take that as a no.
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  1725.  @bigstein7075  Is there any evidence in that wall of text?
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  1726.  @bigstein7075  Maybe but I walls of text are a pet peeve of mine as are people who don't give evidence and in the start of your wall of text you offered none. ONLY give me evidence. That's the ONLY thing I care about. Not your wall of text including bullshit. Do you have evidence or not. Because if you had a source it should have a link or something and I don't see that either. Lastly paragraphs are your friend. Use them.
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  1727. FYI the rest of the world already manages to have single payer systems but the richest nation in the history of the world can't afford what everyone else has think morons.
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  1728. Try to realize you are no different than staunch dems and staunch republicans who care more about a party label than anything else.
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  1729. Was that response directed at me Taj? Do you really need me to elaborate and explain the obvious to you? Because if you do that would not speak well of you.
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  1730. AJ regarding, "Being an independent is not the same as being a democrat or republican." Wow. Really? No shit sherlock. The obvious point that I was making that you guys seem to miss is that anyone who cares about a party label rather than the policies a person is fighting for is just a fucking sheep fighting for a team.
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  1731. And AJ as for the absurd notion that Bernie "tows" the party line, he goes out of his way to run for his senate seat as an independent, calls for a "political revolution," is the only reason they needed to rig the "democratic" primary in 2016 in the first place, talks repeatedly about the things wrong with the "democratic" party, makes the corporate dems look worse by giving the people something to compare them to, was the impetus of the demexit movement and so much more.
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  1732. Taj regarding, "You are the one who said I was no different than a staunch republican or a staunch democrat." I guess it seems this way to you because you fail to understand the simple and obvious context. No you are not like them in every aspect but you absolutely are exactly like them in one of their worst aspects.... ie caring about a party label more than policy. You, like the staunch dems and staunch republicans, prioritize your team above all else. Regarding, "no such thing as an "Independent" party. Actually there is but that isn't really relevant to the conversation. Regarding, "Getting bogged down in semantics doesn't really bode well for you." It certainly was not my goal. I thought my point was rather self evident but you apparently can't understand it without the semantics. I guess I'll one last time try to explain my obvious point. If, like you demonstrate in your OP, you require a certain letter after a person name to "pay attention" to them, you are fucking sheep. That trait is exactly what stauch dems and staunch republicans require. In that aspect you are exactly like them.
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  1733. The electoral college is a fucking joke. I don't care what state you live in.... your vote should count exactly as much as anyone else. And the EC only makes it so that candidates care about swing states which is no better than the BS I'm sure you want to say about them only caring about large states.
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  1734. Could you imagine an honest person in that job?
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  1735. FYI you don't need to be here.
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  1736.  @steelrain5626  Thanks. Do you ever say anything that isn't stupid AF for one reason or another?
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  1737. I don't disagree that those 2 issues are important but there are lots and lots of other issues that are also very important like health care, social security, education, the environment, and more. I think you misunderstand how our elections and their roles are set up. A person gets the nomination of a party and that person picks as their running mate (or at least they are suppose to, there are other factors that sadly go into this) the person they think would be the best capable of doing the job should the unthinkable happen. Neither Sanders nor Paul would consider the other to be that person because, like I pointed out, they disagree on practically everything.
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  1738. Someone, anyone who isn't a POS. Trump and Biden don't qualify.
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  1739. @blueseaview 11 I know right. As if biden represents the left.
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  1740. Guy who claims to care about behavior closes by calling someone a "turd." I'm sure you think that is waaay different thou.
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  1741. You trust the fraud squad more? Really?
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  1742. Yeah. You can tell he doesn't believe it because he has only been saying the same shit since the beginning of time. That is how I know someone is being insincere.
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  1743. SIGN THE PETITION! duh
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  1744. What about that is fake? This isn't the jimmy dore show? That isn't aaron? Or are you just a clown?
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  1745. It doesn't get more fair running as a 3rd party. It is very difficult to win a majority of electoral college votes in a 3 way race. It would sacrifice any ability to reform the party from the inside. Even if he won it would ensure both parties worked against his agenda. These are all valid reasons.
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  1746. "Monoclonals are experimental" They have been around for 3 fucking decades.
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  1747. "the first monoclonal antibody was approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration (US FDA) in 1986" Source: reality.
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  1748.  @whig01  "Not for covid." Which is exactly the same as ivermectin.
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  1749.  @whig01  "I'm not saying..." You are fearmongering about potential unforseen side effects for one drug that has been used for decades while touting and treating another drug completely differently because reasons.
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  1750.  @whig01  "These monoclonals have never been FDA approved." It took me too seconds to find an article titled, "FDA Authorizes Monoclonal Antibodies for Treatment of COVID-19"
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  1751.  @whig01  "AUTHORIZED not approved." Has ivermectin been "authorized" by the FDA to treat covid? Or are you picking and choosing what drugs to fear monger about?
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  1752. So if Fauci lied then so did trump when he said the same shit right?
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  1753. ew. gross. no.
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  1754.  @paulgally1657  Whoever they are I wish I had all their names. That way I could know to never hang out with them.
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  1755. That's not his job, that is ours. He is the issues guy who talks about universal health care, and education, and the minimum wage, and.... you can't expect him to do everything.
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  1756. I don't care what she has to say anymore. It's all BS.
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  1757. Ultimately I need proof. Do you have any?
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  1758. He doesn't give a shit about the "democratic" party or he would probably be a democrat and not an independent. He cares about policy. As for him running as a dem for president that is just a result of accepting the sad reality of our political system and it's many flaws.
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  1759. Not really. She didn't run on m4a.
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  1760. Why exactly do you think we were close? I happily voted for Jill Stein and would do the exact same thing if the same election were today (in a swing state) but the fact of the matter is that she got around 1 percent of the vote against 2 of the most despised people in the country. The entire system is rigged, not just the parties, against progressives.
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  1761. Actually losers love the electoral college and making some people's votes more valuable then others.
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  1762. If anyone is controlled opposition it is you.
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  1763. You love projecting don't you.
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  1764. Regarding, "if his presidency can drive otherwise smart people this crazy, it's worth it." This is what you care about? That is really fucked up. I'll just figure you are jealous of smart people.
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  1765. Grant regarding, "How can any CARE be good when it is written by insurance care." The ACA is far from "good," but it is BETTER than what we had before. Millions more people had insurance who didn't have it before. Preexisting conditions were gone. The rate at which prices were going up slowed. Kids could stay on their parents plans longer. People were guaranteed a certain amount of coverage as garbage plans were done away with. Do you dispute and of these facts? Do you really think the system was better before all this? Could it better? Of course. But it did make things better. Regarding, "Insurance companies spent $396 million lobbying for the ACA" They loved it because they were able to make lots more money but that doesn't mean it didn't also help the people in all the ways I already pointed out and more. Again there are all sorts of problems with the bill but if you don't think we can't make things worse then you are being silly. Things can absolutely be worse... like they were before it, and like they will be after Trump gets done doing what he is doing.
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  1766. John regarding, "the ACA is garbage." We don't disagree on this but I have one simple question for you. Do you think things were better or worse before it and why?
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  1767. Regarding, "As for what you said about it keeping rates down, that is just untrue." That is not what I said. I said, "The rate at which prices were going up slowed." That means that rates are going up. They are just going up at a slower pace than they were before. This isn't something that is happening in a vacuum. It is being compared to what was going on before it. And before the ACA prices were skyrocketing at completely unsustainable rates. After the ACA prices were increasing but at a slower rate (arguably still unsustainable but again... it was better). Regarding, "You seek to put a band aid on a gangrened hand." It's not what I would be seeking out like I never sought out the ACA... but if nothing else I think I'd want that band-aid and the ACA is better. Regarding, "I am tired if being sold garbage and told how great it is." Do you really get the impression from any of my comments that I think the ACA is great? The bottom line is that if I'm given the choice between 2 shit sandwiches to eat I'm going to chose the one that doesn't smell quite as bad. And I'm a guy that loves voting outside the 2 major parties and rejects the lesser of 2 evils argument.... but that is only when there actually are other options. There is no single payer that I can vote for currently. I have to pick whether or not I want the ACA or the system before it and the ACA, although complete fucking dogshit, is better.
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  1768. John regarding, "If you were..." There are going to be winners and losers with every law. I can't think of a single law that everyone is going to agree on or that would be good for everyone. And I'm not trying to ask about you or your family personally. I'm asking as a net plus or minus. On the whole. When everything and everyone is considered. Was the country better with it or without it? I think, although it sucked and should have been something very different, it was a net gain and the country was better off with it than we were without it. Regarding, "I ask again, what happens when we lose the number one job in the United States?" We will be forced to adapt. Hopefully there will be other jobs in other industries to replace the ones lost. Regarding, "Will they pick up insurance without an income?" It is pretty difficult for anyone to do much of anything without an income. But it is not as if this is being made worse by the ACA even if it isn't helping. I'd love for there to be single payer and for health care to be considered a right but that isn't going to be happening at the moment when you look at who controls the government. Regarding, "fraud and duplicitous." I like to call it a blowjob to the private, fuck in the ass, look for any reason to not give you health care if our CEOs can make more money to buy a bigger yacht health insurance industry. But it, pathetically, was an improvement upon what we had before it in my opinion.
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  1769. John regarding, "I answered yes for some no for others and you agree." Kinda. Yes for some and no for others is accurate for every bill. I ultimately decide that, on the whole, after everything is considered, we are better with it than without it. (even thou it sucks) Regarding, "Your second paragraph saying you hope they will find other jobs is naïve at best." I'm not claiming to have all the answers especially on such a difficult question. Society has found a way to adapt throughout history. Jobs and industries die off and are replaced by new ones generally but future automation could change things in ways I can't even imagine. I would like for everyone who wants to work to be able to find a job but again, I'm not going to pretend I have a good answer for you. I don't. Regarding, "You will see a steady decline in the number of people with health insurance as we continue to destroy jobs." I can't imagine single payer not happening in the future to help address this problem but it just isn't going to happen this second. Regarding, "Bilderberg Group" Had never heard of them. Looking at it on wiki now. Fascinating in a Dr. Evil kinda way. Regarding, "it gives the false illusion that more will have insurance in the future, they will not." I think there is a great argument to be made that the country would be better without it because it would speed up a single payer system but hasn't been the discussion I've been trying to have and consider this line of reasoning separate.
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  1770. John regarding, "truth is you don't get to vote on it at all" That was not how I meant it. I was just trying to say that single payer isn't going to be happening at the moment so I wasn't being considered in the thought experiment of what is better, having the ACA or before the ACA. Regarding, "Glass Stiegel or is against universal healthcare, retirements and believes in having more wars." Good list but I think you missed the most important litmus test of getting money out of politics. To me that is the one problem that causes all the others. Regarding, "You apparently feel the choices you think you are given are real choices," I carry an awful lot of skepticism when it comes to our politicians and our government but I'm going to keep fighting for the politicians and policies I believe in. Regarding, "I do not." So what does that mean for you? Is that like saying you have given up hope?
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  1771. Regarding, "what happens when we live in a world where we only need a couple million people to monitor and run the machines?" Like I said I definitely see automation being a problem society will face in the future and do not pretend to have any idea of all the problems that will come with it. Much less the solutions. Regarding, "the Bilderberg Group" I feel like I had heard the name before but that was about it. Regarding, "I recommend you go to the actual Bilderberg website" I did and I looked at their attendance list. I didn't recognize most of the names but the names of the people I did recognize were not people I care for. Regarding, "go Alex Jones on yourself." The closest I've ever done to this is thinking that 9-11 was an inside job. I still have questions but in all honesty I try not to go there. That said I'd be curious if you have any thoughts on this. Regarding, "This game is rigged" That much is obvious. To what degree it is rigged is much harder to figure out. Regarding, "the problem is that the average person isn't part of the conversation about what to do about what is coming." Ignorance is bliss I'm told. Sometimes I think I'd be happier if I knew less. Regarding, "my blog" I look forward to checking that out later. I've very much enjoyed our conversation and I thank you for your time. I can be very abrasive on occasion on these forums and if I've ever rubbed you the wrong way I apologize for it.
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  1772.  @worldforalll  Your point sucked.
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  1773.  @oscarosei1985  "had nothing to do with Graham and Jimmy's debate" That's the fucking point.
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  1774. Go outside and get a life.
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  1775. I'll have trouble not concluding this if she doesn't force the vote.
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  1776. If we gave it to you you would just want something else.
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  1777. He's remaking there's something about mary. It's going to be, there's something about n@z!s
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  1778. If you actually think that you are an idiot.
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  1779. Who is suppose to be the baby and who is suppose to be the bathwater in your analogy?
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  1780. So you care more about a label than the person. Way to go. You share that trait with staunch democrats.
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  1781. Well the chances of the "democratic" nominee being progressive increase if you vote in the primary for the most progressive candidate you can find. The party is not going to magically change on their own after all. And if you are not happy with their nominee then by all means vote for someone else in the general. You owe them nothing. But to say, "I’ve personally already decided that I won’t be voting for any democrat any more," demonstrates that it doesn't even matter how progressive the person is. I hope that this was just hyperbole. Support progressives... even progressives that run as democrats. They can be hard to find but I assure you they do exist.
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  1782. Regarding, "That already happened in 2016." You have to be more specific here. I am not sure what you are referring to. Regarding, "I’ll vote for a progressive but I won’t hold my breath on the democrats." It is not about "holding your breathe." It is about keeping an open mind. Your original statement demonstrates a closed mind... even if there is a progressive democrat to support. Regarding, "So yes the democrats already lost my vote" Again... this demonstrates a closed mind. I'm not saying you should be voting for a democrat. I'm saying you should not be closing your mind to the possibility. There are progressives who are choosing to stay in the party to try and change them and make them better even if they are hard to find. I think you should at least be keeping an open mind and be willing to support them when you can. That is very different than saying you need to be supporting any or every dem that comes along. You absolutely shouldn't be supporting corporate dems. But you need to be making a distinction between the two and lot lumping them all in together. Broad based generalization is lazy thinking. Regarding, "need to work much harder than they’re currently doing to get my vote." The party in general doesn't deserve your vote but that doesn't mean you can't do things to make them better and make them more deserving of your vote. They are not going to magically change all on their own. Like I said you should be voting in the "democratic" primary for the most progressive candidate you can find. That demonstrates a clear message to the party that 1) you are going to be voting and are not just apathetic and 2) you want progressive policies and 3) you are going to fight for progressive policies. That is NOT a vote to put someone in office. That is a vote to try and shape the party and make them better because just bitching about how much they suck doesn't have the effect you want. Then in the general election you go right ahead and vote your conscience. Just because you voted in their primary does not mean you, in any way shape or form owe them anything in the general election. And if you want to vote for a 3rd party candidate you go right ahead. I happily voted for Jill Stein in the general in 2016. Unfortunately I didn't vote in the primary because, at that moment I was moving across the country... not because I didn't want to. Peace.
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  1783. Yes I am long winded. Regarding, "You can call me close minded if you want, i don’t agree." Your original statement is, "I’ve personally already decided that I won’t be voting for any democrat any more." You really do not understand why that is close minded? Seriously? I have never in my life voted for a republican. I have also never said, "I've personally already decided that I won't be voting for a republican" because the difference is having a closed mind versus having an open mind. Regarding, "I’m referring to the 2016 election that was rigged against the progressive candidate..." Ok. Yup. It was rigged. It was wrong. It was fucked up. How they purged voters in the primary. How they stacked the deck. It was all really fucked up. You know why they do it? Because they KNOW how important the primary is. They don't let independents vote because they don't want them to vote. So what do you want to do? Do you really want to do what the powers that be want you to do and not vote? Or are you going to tell them to fuck off and do what they don't want you to do? The establishment doesn't want you to vote in their primary. Consider that before you willingly give them what they want.
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  1784. Ryan regarding, "I don’t disagree on voting for progressives" And there are progressives who are still fighting for the soul of the democratic party even if they are few and far between. They deserve your support in my opinion. Your original statement suggests they are not going to get it. Regarding, "I disagree the Democratic Party is progressive" I have never claimed the party is progressive. In general they absolutely are not. The party is a dumpster fire. You don't need to tell me the ways they suck. I'd agree. This isn't about what the party as a whole is. It is about how to make the party better and why you shouldn't be writing off candidates before you even know what their names or policy positions. Regarding, "I have already made up my mind based on the facts" You can make all the claims you want about caring about facts but you don't even have a name. That is a pretty important fact that you should be considering but demonstrate it is not at all important to you. Regarding, "tell the Democratic Party to open its mind towards progressives" I do. By voting for progressives in the primaries and I could use some help. Stomping your feet doesn't have the same effect as supporting progressives... even progressives who have the audacity to try and work to make the party better than they are.
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  1785. Ryan regarding, "To the people fighting for the soul of the party, good luck." Yup. Seems they are fucked. They get to fight an uphill battle against a rigged system and they can't even get the support of people who consider themselves progressive. It seems to me that you care more about punishing a party that you are pissed at. Don't get me wrong you are correct to pissed. I know I am. But you are just stomping your feet. You are not fighting for change. You are just hoping it happens without you and then should it happen you will come along for the ride. If they day comes I hope you fuck off. You don't deserve change if you aren't willing to fight for it.
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  1786. We agree the party, in general, fucking sucks. We agree the game is rigged against progressives. The problem I have with your original statement is that it implies defeat without fight. The fight for the soul of the party is not over even if we are currently losing. No they do not deserve your vote. Nobody deserves your vote. But I'm sick and tired of people who care about party labels more than people. Your notion that you are not going to support any democrat is just as messed up as people that think you need to be supporting any and every dem. Everyone needs to be in the middle. People need to be judging candidates based on the person and not the party they are affiliated with. If you think me expressing a heart felt opinion is "shaming you" then so be it. I want your help. If I'm not going to get then I hope you feel shame about it. I think you should. But if you want to chip in and help it would be greatly appreciated going forward. Shit isn't going to change all by itself. We need to make it happen.
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  1787. Your original statement is not reflecting on the past.... it is projecting into the future.
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  1788. If you want to talk about the past then talk about the past. Seems we don't disagree on the past. But that wasn't about the past even if it is influenced by the past. You are making determinations in the future that indicate a closed mind and white flag of surrender. It seems pretty clear to me that you are going to let corporate dems win without a fight. I see no other way to interpret that statement. You leave no room for supporting progressive democrats in that statement. But whatever. I've said my piece and made my objections. Do what you will with it. Take care.
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  1789. Regarding, "I don’t see any chance of a progressive even being an option" There is a reason they had to rig the primary in 2016. There is going to be a reason they will be rigging the primary in 2020. It is because there is going to be a progressive option. You know why they purged progressives in the party? It is because there were progressives to purge. Corporate dems could be purged in exactly the same way but it isn't going happen by magic. They are not going to change on their own. People like you need to force them to change. Just waiting for it to happen isn't going to happen.
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  1790. Regarding, "The answer isn’t voting, because that has failed." The game has changed. More of the country than every is woke to the rot in the "democratic" party thanks to Sanders, wikileaks and others. Is it fair? Nope. And it isn't going to be until winning. And we can beat a rigged game but we need to stand together. Regarding, "The real answer is voting for a third party." I'd like to believe this but I don't. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were not just 2 of the most despised politicians in the country, they were 2 of the most despised humans in the country. Still Jill Stein only got about 1 percent. So forgive me but I wholeheartedly disagree. Don't get me wrong I encourage you to build 3rd parties and support good 3rd party candidates but the best way to get the change we deserve is by taking over the "democratic" party hostile takeover style. One of the reasons why the party is going to suck until at least 2020 is because Hillary "won" the nomination. That is why there is Tom Perez who got to pick the people under him who picked the people under him. Things can change but to do it we need to win. And it isn't going to be easy. The game is rigged. The establishment has lots of dirty tricks but I think 2020 gives us the best opportunity at a getting a progressive since... since a long time. Regarding, "Parties have come and gone" Not really. And the major parties have rigged the entire system. Do you think it is fair for 3rd parties? I assure you it isn't. You are just trading in one rigged game for a different rigged game. Regarding, "it’s time for a new party that actual represent the people" I agree that we need a party that represents the people. I agree that neither major party does. But some, like myself, think the best way to get a party that actually represents the people is by taking over the "democratic" party and we could use your help. Your original statement is not only not helping but hurting that cause. You make no effort to differentiate between corporate dems and progressive dems. Regarding, "Maybe don’t judge me" Look man... I judge everyone. Not just you. And so do you. Try not to pretend otherwise. Regarding, "open your mind to agreeing a third party is necessary." There already are lots and lots of 3rd parties. They already exist. I wish the game were fair for them. I want ranked choice ballots. I want open debates. I encourage you to build these parties and work to make the game more fair. But this isn't exactly about that. Regarding, "agree to give a third party more thought" I happily voted for Jill Stein in 2016 and would do so again today if the same election were today... in a SWING STATE. So it isn't like I don't give them thought. It's just that winning is important. It isn't everything but it is really really important. That is how we actually get what we want... by winning. The easiest (not to be mistaken with easy) way for progressives to win (ESPECIALLY at the national level) is by running as a dem because, like it or not, the game is rigged in favor of major parties. I absolutely will support 3rd party candidates but I think they are rightfully plan B. Plan A is hostile takeover. But we need help. Vote in the primary. Fight to make the "democratic" party better. Fight for a progressive nominee. And if they succeed in getting a corporate shill like Biden, Harris, or Booker then I will be right beside you voting for a 3rd party candidate. But please don't, like your original post suggests, not even try to get a progressive nominee of the dem party.
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  1791. Regarding, "more literal than it’s intention." I don't know how else to take it. Not only do you say it but you repeat it... You say, "I personally won’t be voting for any democrats in the future," and "I agree with a hostile take over." I concede you saying both these things in the same paragraph makes no sense to me. To me if you "agree with a hostile takeover" then you would logically say things like, " I personally will only be voting for progressive democrats in the future and corporate dems can fuck off." But I guess that is just me. Regarding, "I just think that party is far past the point of hostile take over." The key to a successful hostile takeover is getting a progressive nominee. The nominee determines the chair. The chair picks the people under them. Corporate dems can be purged the same way progressives were purged. The nominee is given CRAZY power to set rules and determine the direction of the party almost unilaterally. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91226631 Is the type of thing the nominee can do on their own. To be fair this reform was repealed to benefit Hillary Clinton when she was running. But the point is that this shit can be done and more but to do so we need to win. Political parties care first and foremost about the people that fund their elections. Make the democratic party raise money from the people and then all of a sudden they are incentivized to care about the people and not their big money donors and corporate overloads like now. Regarding, "Maybe some individual people in the party are worth the vote," I think Justice Democrats in particular have a pretty good idea. My trust in a politician is directly correlated to how they raise their money and JDs do it right. That said, I preach the importance of individuals. Good democrats, even if they are not as many as we would like, deserve your support. Your original statement says they won't get it. Regarding, "expect my opinion of not giving my vote to corrupt people." You are right to not vote for corrupt people. You are wrong to assume 100 percent of dems are corrupt. You need to look beyond a party label and look closer at individuals. Or don't. But realize that is essentially the same as people who blindly support democrats without bothering to examine the individual more closely.
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  1792. Regarding, "president which has already been proven to be something that is actively blocked by the majority of the party." I say over and over that it is rigged because it is. It isn't fair. But there is reason to think 2020 will be different. Sanders barely "lost" in 2016 after starting his campaign down 50 points, lacking name recognition, and facing media blackout. In 2020 he will enter the frontrunner, enter as the most popular politician in the country, enter with the name recognition of a rockstar, and the corporate media won't be able to effectively ignore him and portray him as fringe in the same way. The game has changed. There will not be enough dirty tricks in their playbook to stop him (I think). Support from people like you would be greatly appreciated. I personally think Sanders has earned our support even if the "democratic" party has not. Regarding, "No I won’t just vote if someone appears progressive in the Democratic Party" So you do not even trust yourself to decide if someone is progressive or not? You care more about a letter after a candidate's name more than anything else? You wouldn't vote for Clinton Holmes (d) but the exact same person can get your support if they change that one letter. Clinton Holmes (g) or Clinton Holmes (i) is toooottttallly different. Regarding, "My vote has to be earned" You demonstrate that your idea of "earned" has more to do with a party label than anything else. In one breathe you essentially say your vote can't be earned by dems and then you say this. We clearly have very different ideas of what "earns" our votes. Regarding, "Your hope for me to vote democrats if they are progressive is as useless as..." So you are progressive that isn't going to support progressives. Got it. It really is too bad. We both know the game is already rigged and could use you. I'm not sure why I think we can win when we can't even get progressives to support progressives. I guess I'm just a hopeless optimist.
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  1793. Regarding, "it’s my opinion that it is too late for a hostile takeover." But you don't feel the need to address my logical points as to why it isn't too late? Regarding, "an already dead party" Except they are not dead. And as much as it would be nice if they did actually just die the fact of the matter is that there is ZERO reason to logically think this is going to be happening anytime soon. Wishful thinking isn't going to make this happen.
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  1794. I'm going to party like it's 1999!
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  1795. "you think all the climate change fear is real and they don’t care" Yup. This. They are getting rich enough to insulate themselves. They can always move when coasts flood.
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  1796. Darien regarding, "His age will be a major factor ." Why should anyone care about age? I care about policy positions and Sanders is essentially right on everything.
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  1797. Sharon regarding, "Bernie is in his mid-70's" Again... I don't care. Regarding, "a person that can continue what Senator Sanders has re-ignited" I consider Gabbard to be plan B but that is only if God forbid Sanders isn't healthy enough or chooses not to run. And if not her it has to be someone who keeps preaching what Sanders talks about. There is a reason his message resonated with the public.
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  1798. Grant regarding the Green Party. I hope the "democratic" party gives me a candidate to support next go round for Pres but if they don't I will happily vote for the Green Party again. That said I admit to being dismayed by how Jill Stein did during the last election. I mean... if she couldn't do better against Trump and Clinton then I have little hope for them going forward... not because of problems with the Green party but because I don't think much of the misinformed public who have been brainwashed into thinking they only have 2 POS parties to choose from. I had a conversation with someone. Just after I got done saying that Jill Stein was the only candidate running that I actually wanted them to win they said I was wasting my vote. Only a brainwashed sheep thinks that me voting for the only candidate I actually wanted to win would be wasting my vote. It made less than no sense to me.
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  1799. Darien regarding, "Bernie has a lot of great ideas" Yes. He does. And all his ideas poll exceptionally well with the public for good reason. Regarding, "so does rand Paul" Other than slashing the military and legalizing weed I have no idea what you are talking about here. Regarding, "I am against giving the federal government unlimited power over our lives." I don't know of anyone who wants that. I'm as far "left" as anyone I know but at the same time I want the military budget slashed, I don't my tax dollars going as subsidies to big oil, gas, and other corporations, I want the patriot act abolished, I want a small government that stays out of my bedroom among other "conservative" ideas. Ultimately I accept that we are going to have a government regardless so I want good government. But that is what we all think we want... it just means different things to different people. To me good government helps make sure everyone in the country has health insurance especially when I know that everyone in the country NEEDS it. There isn't a single person that can do without it so to me a good government makes sure its there especially when I know that when they do it will cost less, provide better service, and serve everyone. Some think that is "unlimited power." I very much disagree.
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  1800. Aitch regarding, "I don't think he could have switched to 3rd party anyway, and only got the following he did by using the Dem platform." He was absolutely correct to run as a democrat originally but after they actively worked to rig the game and it was proven from wikileaks he definitely could have run with the Green Party (Jill Stein offered him the top of the ticket) and things may have been very, very different but we will never know. Regarding, "Read WikiLeaks, vote third party, and we'll see you again soon" That's just not his style. He is determined to talk about policy and wants to run an issue oriented campaign always. It is hilarious to me that Hillary cried about him throwing mud when the opposite was obviously true. Many people are pissed that he didn't hit her harder.... there obviously was plenty for her to be attacked about. But he just wanted to talk about money in politics, single payer, raising the min wage, protecting the environment, breaking up the banks, income inequality, ect. Regarding, "Trump still would have won," I think Bernie would have won the most electoral votes but maybe not a majority. Hillary and Trump are both rightfully despised and Sanders is loved. Even people who voted for Hillary and Trump hated them most the time... they just hated their opponent more. I think that had Sanders run with Jill Stein they win. But like I said I think that should Sanders win in 2020 as a democrat that may very well be the best outcome. I could see a scenario where if Sanders wins in 2016 the establishment lets him get nothing done while in power and then after he is gone we go back to business as usual. Again should he win as a democrat he might be able to turn that pile of shit party into something useful again. I don't see the US having more than 2 major parties anytime soon and we really need at least one of them to not suck for once. Regarding, "3rd party got his bump the Dems would have had their arms twisted to take on some actual policies" They lost to Trump and they are still not going to really change. You can see the corportists fight it. They are happier to lose to Trump than let a progressive win who might upset the system that feeds them. Even supporting medicare for all is only being done for political reasons. I think the only way that party really changes is if Sanders is able to take the reigns and force them to ban corporate contributions for example. Then all of a sudden we would have a party that might care about the people instead of their big money donors. I think we have very similar ideas about what we want. Thanks for the conversation about how we might make it happen even if we disagree on some things. Sorry if I seem like a Bernie apologist. I fucking love him despite him not being perfect. He is about the only politician of power that I think is in it for the right reasons and this country desperately needs change. That is what Obama was able to win on... Change. Sadly we didn't get it and the public was willing to elect a known complete POS like Trump just because they couldn't say for sure how he might govern since he never has.
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  1801.  @jd7691  "You don't know what or who I support" This isn't about you. It's about the people who stormed the capital and they support trump. It was obviously about him. It wasn't about m4a or anything else. Don't pretend it was. Regarding, "Go watch CNN" Why would I do that?
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  1802.  @Attmay  I have my own ideas about what does and doesn't make someone a crook. Trump is one and it isn't even close. If you want to defend the orange clown try something else.
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  1803. They gave a finger to the country too... instead of supporting someone decent.
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  1804.  @holliscooper6081  'I exposed myself at work and was sexually harrassed by a fellow employee who had the audacity to say, 'what are doing? what is wrong with you?' to me. I was very embarrassed and it's clearly their fault.' Hollis probably.
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  1805.  @holliscooper6081  "She wasn't his boss at the time." She absolutely was. If you can't get you facts straight your terrible opinions are rightfully ignored.
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  1806. The establishment appreciates your idiotic smears and are grateful for you doing their work for them.
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  1807. Biden and company are actually most responsible for mass incarceration while you play the red/blue game.
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  1808. Yup. The orange clown is a perfect leader for a clown empire.
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  1809. The squad didn't support her. Did you even watch the video?
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  1810. Regarding, "There is no evidence of any Trump corruption." I can't tell you how similar you are to Hillary supporters. You are all fucking morons.
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  1811. If only he would have voted no then things would have been exactly the fucking same.
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  1812. Trump is literally commander in chief. Maybe care more about what he is doing rather than the bullshit pouring from his mouth.
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  1813. This is why, despite how much she makes me cringe, I'm glad she lingers like a bad fart. If she were smart she would just go away. Ultimately she just isn't that bright.
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  1814. Huh? He thinks Trump is a tool but then again so are you clearly.
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  1815. "he was my president instead of trump." -some shtlib, probably
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  1816.  @Hertz2laugh  Of course I do.
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  1817. Trian regarding, "They won't let him run as a Dem" Yes. They will. There is no reason for you to think this. Regarding, "so he would have to run in a 3rd party" They absolutely do not want him to run as a 3rd party candidate because they know that splits left leaning thinkers and ensures them losing. Regarding, "If Bernie did that, I would vote for him, but I'm not voting (D)" So you would vote for Bernie but only if he runs as an independent? Way too many people care about party labels and not nearly enough about people. Vote for good people... regardless of party label or you are no better than the sheep who only vote because of a party label. Regarding, "They can't be trusted." The "democratic" party is shit. That is why we need to support Sanders so he can change them.
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  1818. Trian regarding, "Dem primary voters mean nothing" Of course they do. You sound silly. Regarding, "with superdelegates in charge" Superdelegates are not in charge. They are only a small percentage of all delegates and there are less of then since last election... because of Sanders. Regarding, "The elite Republicrats choose their own private candidate. They said so, in court." They said they could if they choose to in court... and they are correct. But they don't. They have a primary. When you distort shit you are no better than the DNC.
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  1819. Trian regarding, "why aren't masses of disenfranchised voters joining them" The masses are sheep.
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  1820. Let's say I agreed with you, and I don't because your statement is moronic, then you are saying that winning elections is more important that protecting the public. You suck at life Ken.
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  1821. Regarding, "So if you feel HRC was worse than trump than how can you blame him for voteing for trump?" Yes because supporting evil is supporting evil and this is just a bullshit rationalization for people to do so. And what if the election were between Hitler and Pol Pot? Would you be using the same bullshit argument? Because the same bullshit argument doesn't go away. The bottom line is that you have to draw a line in the sand and only be willing to support a candidate that is a certain amount of decent and if you think either Hillary or Trump comes anywhere close enough to acceptable to supported then I think you are fucking crazy and your sense of morality is pretty fucked up. Regarding, "3rd party candidate that had no chance of winning" One of the main reason a 3rd party candidate had no chance of winning is because of the stupid group-think of picking between the lesser evil. Do you not realize how stupid and circular this logic is? Why don't you vote for a 3rd party candidate? Because they can't win. Why can't they win? Because people are not voting for them. Why aren't people voting for them? Because they can't win. Why can't they win again? And around and around it goes. I suggest you vote for the candidate you want to win and not try to concern yourself with winning so much at least not when the candidates who "can" win don't deserve to win. Regarding, "One of them was going to win," In part because the establishment has you fools convinced you need to pick between a douche and a turd. Regarding, "Complaining that Bernie would have won is not moveing foward" It is about more than this. Those that don't study history and examine the past are doomed to repeat it. You know who wants us to move forward and not try to change things going forward? The establishment. (and you apparently) Regarding, "But the question is what do we do now" How about we support good people in the future just like we should have been doing the past for starters? Regarding, "Things cant stay the way they are." You would be surprised how wrong this is. Of course there should be drastic change. But likely we are just going to get to choose between a douche and turd next time because people keep playing their game.
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  1822. Regarding, "Who would have been better?" Between Trump and Clinton? Who cares. I refuse to play that game. I leave that you people like you who are happy to play the game the establishment wants them to play. Regarding, "Do you seriously think Jill would of stood a chance?" In a fair race against 2 of the most despised people in the country where for example she gets to debate with them? Yes I do. Sadly we do not have free and fair elections in this country. Regarding, "she would of gotten nothing done" I kind of agree with this. She would have been opposed by both major parties and not been able to pass any legislation of note. That said she would have been in a position to win the battle of ideas because the president is a unique position in that the corporate media HAS to cover them. As it stands they are able to marginalize her and the conversation people like her want to discuss. Oh and getting nothing done is better than doing things that actively make things worse like everything Trump has "accomplished" thus far. Regarding, "I don't think she would of been a better option anyway." This is stupid beyond words. If you think she wouldn't be better than Trump then I think you are fucking retarded.
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  1823. We could save many lives if we harvested neil's body for parts. Neil must be cool with that right?
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  1824.  @Blue_Tambourine  just stop
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  1825. He feels passionate about it. So do I. Don't be ashamed of righteous anger.
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  1826.  @drabolit  "nah when you debate the best way to iron out concerns and ideas is to be unemotional" Arguably. But we are humans. And a human having emotion isn't something to be ashamed of... it's something you should expect. "whoever the other guy is just isn’t a good person" Maybe. But I think you are wrong to conclude they can't be a "good person" and wrong about things like this. I know people in real life who are good people but are propagandized and brainwashed into believing what ben does. "he’s purposefully ignoring truths Kurt brought up and saying he doesn’t “believe” what he was saying was true" I'm on kurts side 100 percent but this exact thing can be said about kurt IMO. IMO Ben is correct that some clowns do imitate terrible behavior that they see in media. The worst part of the debate was when kurt tried to deny this. It made it look like he was "purposefully ignoring truths ben brought up and kurt was saying he "didn't believe" that people imitate media when it's true as day they do. Ultimately I'm on kurt's side because even if someone imitates bad behavior it doesn't matter to me. People are responsible for their own actions.
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  1827.  @drabolit  For all I know deshaun watson only got a massage fetish from watching a subcategory of phub. But that doesn't mean phub is responsible for watsons actions... watson is responsible for watsons actions.
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  1828.  @drabolit  "a bad person shys away from truth imo" Good people are brainwashed and propagandized constantly. Thats why the do it. That's why corporate media is what it is. Save your ire for the elite where it belongs and don't blame peasants. They are VICTIMS.
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  1829. Good. Go.
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  1830. Regarding, "How can healthcare be a “human right” when it requires the time and labor of others?" We get to decide what is and isn't considered to be a right in our society. Health care should be one of those things because our society shouldn't just turn a blind eye when people get sick. Regarding, "How does that “human right” work without the massive wealth afforded by our capitalism by which tons of labor can be sucked away?" Universal health care is cheaper. Canada pays HALF as much per person for their system compared to the US. All the countries in the world that are poorer than the US seem to be able to afford it.
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  1831. They are not the left. They are the elite. And you are playing their game of trying to divide the left and the right.
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  1832. Blind allegiance to parties is partly to blame for why we are where we are. Vote based on policy. Even if the "democratic" party is, in general, a dumpster fire, that doesn't mean that justice democrats aren't right when it comes to policy. People like them deserve your support.
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  1833. Science isn't the problem. Corrupt people are.
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  1834. nope
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  1835. Let's keep doing both.
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  1836. Or something happens that makes them more able to justify another imperialist war because that is a real possibility right?
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  1837. You can't really be that stupid can you cory?
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  1838. I guess to anyone stupid enough to support Trump anyone not supporting their conman must have supported the conwoman. They don't. When you say that you seem to understand the importance of not supporting a crook. Meanwhile you support a crook.
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  1839. Regarding, "The fact that the Clinton Foundation got money was a coincidence." Yeah, they gave that 140+ million for humanitarian purposes. (That is sarcasm in case you are too dumb to tell without me telling you.)
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  1840. Meh. Fuck twitter. Sign the petition!
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  1841. We shouldn't rule out dumb.
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  1842. By the way I have the answer. Spoiler alert.... All of the above.
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  1843. The stupid is strong in this comments section.
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  1844. You want to attack the guy fighting for m4a? You have issues.
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  1845. Harris is crap. She is only taking the position to pander. The establishment loves her. That is all I really need to know.
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  1846. He is the commander in chief. It's not like he needs congress to declare peace first or some shit. But don't let that stop you from making excuses and rationalizations for his failure.
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  1847. Your comment is more likely to be controlled opposition. Either that or you are a useful idiot for the establishment.
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  1848. Your book of BS also tells you how to do slavery right instead of maybe saying a commandment saying don't do it.
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  1849. I can only think you are paid for this or are a useful idiot who watches to much corporate propaganda.
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  1850.  @lonewolf5973  I find that to be a particularly silly comment to be giving your own thumbs up.
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  1851.  @lonewolf5973  Is it getting "creepy" in your opinion? Why isn't what you are doing "creepy" as well?
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  1852. Nope. I need this in sad times.
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  1853.  @goblinstrategist301  "not productive." Of course outing frauds and their tactics is productive. Just stop.
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  1854.  @goblinstrategist301  Regarding, "They're not frauds because they disagreed with one tactic on one policy." They are frauds because their actions don't match their words. They ran on fighting for m4a. They had real power and real leverage. They used it to get nothing. Regarding, "You guys are watering down the term fraud to the point where it doesn't mean anything." You are defending clown politicians whose actions are proving they are frauds. You should really stop it. Regarding, "AOC still gets pretty much all of her money from small donors." It's not about this. It's about her saying that she would fight for m4a and campaigning on it to get all those small donors and then betraying them and voting for mama bear and getting nothing for it. She is suppose to be different than corporate dems but she is voting in lock step with them for indefensible garbage. Regarding, "TYT is still one of the most progressive channels in this country." They are garbage and they are lead by liars. Regarding, "They were wrong on this singular issue." Not only are they "wrong" but they were actively and maliciously lying. Stop polishing turds like them. Regarding, "They happen to be right about most other issues." Does that make lying ok? It doesn't work that way. It's propaganda garbage bought and paid for by team clinton. Why do you think they got that 20 million? Regarding, "The fact that they were wrong on this one issue doesn't make them "frauds."" People whose actions don't match their words are accurately called frauds. Do the world a favor and stop defending POS like them. Thanks. Regarding, "There's way more important fights than this." This is about m4a. Are you really sure there are way more important fights than this? Stop being silly. Regarding, "Jimmy is making 90% videos about punching people on the left" He's punching the people standing between the people and m4a. It's about m4a. Stop making it about "left" and "right." Regarding, "way more corporate media outlets..." Sorry not sorry for wanting to spend all my time attacking fox or whoever you think is the worst. I don't need to think someone is the "worst" to think they are terrible. Regarding, "Pick your enemies better." Pick your allies better. If you think TYT is you can't be more wrong. If you think AOC is while she votes for mama bear and gets nothing for it while she ABSOLUTELY had the power to get a vote on m4a and didn't then again can't be more wrong. You could be spending your time attacking the people standing in your way of getting health care but instead are here treating me and jimmy like enemies. You should take your own advice.
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  1855.  @goblinstrategist301  "On the other hand, if you believe that AOC is truly an enemy" I was on her mailing list. Before she voted for pelosi I warned her that if she voted for pelosi and got nothing for it I would actively try and see she is primaried and never wins another election. After she sold us out I had myself removed from her mailing list and I'm going to trash her every chance I get. Yeah. I truly believe she is the enemy. Actions speak louder than meaningless words. Maybe I'd be more willing to believe her if she didn't gaslight everyone with bullshit before selling us out but she did. Regarding, "AOC didn't get completely nothing for supporting Pelosi by the way. She got some minor concessions on paygo" Paygo is fucking worthless if you aren't going to vote. Please stop making excuses for this shit. Paygo was a self induced problem created by the dems but I'm suppose to give them credit for this? Yeah. I don't and you are insane to offer this as a rationalization and excuse for their failure.
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  1856.  @goblinstrategist301  "excommunicating her and others over this singular issue." I think you are insane for just ignoring that knife your back. "singular issue." M4A was the issue THEY ran on. That "singular issue" is the one they are lying about. I don't have time for it.
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  1857.  @goblinstrategist301  Regarding, "Forcing the Vote is not Medicare For All." Obviously. Regarding, "It is a way to get to Medicare For All." Voting on m4a is literally the only way to get m4a. It's a perfect litmus test. If you actually support m4a you should have no problem getting on board supporting this and if you don't you are exposed as a fraud to our cause. Or at least by "our cause" I mean anyone who wants m4a and isn't just pretending to want it. Regarding, "It was a good idea/good strategy, but realistically it probably wasn't going to work." It already worked in that it exposed AOC and the other frauds who DIDN'T force the vote. It also worked in that it exposed fraud "progressives" like TYT, nomiki konst... It didn't "work" in that it didn't bring us m4a but that isn't too surprising. Should this country ever get m4a it will take a fucking war to bring it and it clearly isn't going to be lead by frauds like AOC. This was the bare minimum ask and they folded without a fight. Regarding, "that could have either been good or bad" Not really if you want m4a. I know there are some terrible no good manufactured arguments about how it might be bad but it's all clearly BS. If you want m4a you want this fight. You have the best of it. It's a winning argument with the people and everyone knows it especially during a pandemic while millions lose their health insurance that was linked to the job they just lost. Regarding, "Republican attempts to repeal Obamacare." Their base LOVED it and you gotta do SOMETHING with your time. If you are on the "left," want to win elections and get people on your side m4a is seriously a nobrainer. But dems care more about maintaining the status quo than they do winning elections. Trumps rise was on Pelosi's watch but losing to the orange clown is less important than fundraising from big money. Their actions reflect their priorities. Regarding, "You keep equating forcing the vote to medicare for all when they are not the same thing." You are correct in that I make zero distinction between the two. We can have legitimate disagreements about the best way to get m4a in the long run but really.... if you are any sort of astute political mind you know forcing the vote is the right move politically if that's your cause. The squad knows. They don't care.
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  1858.  @goblinstrategist301  Regarding, "Where I disagree I guess is just a matter of scale." I mean you can do this but I really think you are being silly for this personally. Regarding, "I don't think it means they've completely given up on Medicare for All or that they're frauds by not going along with this plan." When someone shows you they are fraud through through their actions you should believe them. When I use occams razor their actions are better explained in that they are frauds, not that they are well intentioned and dumb and it's not even close. Regarding, "There's also a lot of backroom dealing in Congress" If AOC and company actually got anything of value for their vote they would tell you. Regarding, "PayGo" This is crap. Just stop.
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  1859.  @goblinstrategist301  Regarding, "paygo." Seriously... why should I care about paygo if they aren't going to vote on m4a? Paygo only has any value if you are also going to vote. It you aren't going to vote this is WORTHLESS.
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  1860. I guess we should just quit then. That's what Jesus would do.
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  1861. He has called out the military budget repeatedly.
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  1862. Do you not realize there is no difference between a non vote and a no vote or are just pretending in an effort to unjustly smear him?
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  1863. Maybe consider the possibility that you are a moron.
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  1864.  @montyburns9943  You might want to consider the possibilities that: 1) masks do work, 2) you are a moron and 3) I already fully understand our government sucks and lies all the time.
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  1865.  @montyburns9943  And 4) covid is real.
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  1866.  @montyburns9943  You are 100% the moron and have a 0% chance of being smart enough to realize it.
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  1867.  @montyburns9943  Because I think you are stupid? Nah. You are merely proving my point for me. Not that it's necessary.
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  1868.  @montyburns9943  Do you ever say anything that isn't stupid? Are you trying to prove the saying wrong that even a broken clock is correct twice a day by always being wrong?
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  1869.  @montyburns9943  Do you have any more stupid things to say? I'm surprised you haven't called me sexist yet because you are a flailing moron grasping at straws.
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  1870.  @montyburns9943  Actually, you know what... why am I a racist? That's what you are implying with that pointed thing on my head nonsense right? So why exactly am I a racist? Please explain. I'm sure you have really good reasoning for saying that and it isn't just the rambling nonsense from an epic dipshit right? Please enlighten me with the brilliance of your wisdom. Please tell me your "logic" and "reasoning."
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  1871. Nah. It's great. Now if only Biden can get it and covid can win both battles.
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  1872. Musk has used billions of dollars from taxpayers to make himself rich.
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  1873.  @itsmebatman  I guess I'm just speaking for myself. Everyone should have a problem with that POS.
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  1874. 0 percent is still too high.
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  1875. I'm sorry who was being blackmailed on the right?
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  1876. Good news... that won't help.
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  1877. Still leaving your lie up. And you wonder why it is tough to tell the difference between bullshit and the truth these days.
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  1878. Or Un.
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  1879. There is a time and place to oppose wars and that is when they vote to go to war. Voting to see that the troops have what they need after the decision to go to war is completely different. I suspect you understand that by try to use this talking point to smear Sanders unjustly.
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  1880. Tim, no problem. I'm happy someone enjoyed it. You gotta make the occasional joke about what is going on for sanity sake.
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  1881. frederik, yeah, I get it. I used to be proud to be an American. Now I'm embarrassed and ashamed.
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  1882.  @simonbrook3076  "the issue at hand" The issue at hand is important and if people like you had their way politicians would never be pressed on important topics like this. Your motivations for this BS is very questionable.
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  1883.  @simonbrook3076  "I totally agree that it is important to press politicians on important issues." You clearly do not. "pressing the politicians who are actually getting things done" Not only are they not getting things done they won't even answer questions addressing how they aren't getting things done. "namely stopping people from getting evicted from their houses" I mean except for the people that are getting evicted that is. "seems pretty counter productive to me." Bootlicking for a politicians even being asked questions like you are seems pretty counter productive to me but to each their own I guess. "I questioned the motives of the journalist" Yup I question your motives far more than the journalist asking questions. Are you paid for this BS? "I admit that my opinion might be cynical" As if that's your problem. Your problem is mindless bootlicking for a politician. Your problem is that you want to have your cake and eat it too. You can either be in favor of politicians being asked tough question or not. You don't get to pick and choose your moments in a world where politicians do everything they can to not answer any tough questions as evidenced by their interaction. "I just don’t understand" You got that one thing right. "politicians that are actually looking out for people." Except they aren't. Stop defending them when they aren't. And stop defending them from questions for sake. "this “interview” took place while Cory Bush was sleeping" What? They agreed to be interviewed. That doesn't mean they get to pick and choose the questions being asked of them. Just stop.
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  1884. Except we are actually currently at peace with them even if it is hostile. I'm pretty sure the worst thing that can happen is war breaks out.... especially because I think war with them would be completely unnecessary.
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  1885. I'm not interested in technicalities. I am pretty sure that the common opinion is that we are not currently at war with them... at least compared to other countries that we are not "technically" at war with but definitely are at war with. I am at least placated by a cease fire. I do not want full scale war and think those 2 meeting could give the MIC the excuse they want to end the cease fire. I mean you at least acknowledge that as a possibility right?
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  1886. Regarding, "The mindset of DPRK representitves will be that a state war exists," They can think that all they want for all I care. I care about what they are doing more than what they are thinking. As long as they are not busy killing people, and currently they are not, I can live with it. Regarding, "he could screw up bigly" Yes. He could. I agree with most things Dore says but him saying, "what risks?" over and over as if things couldn't get worse when clearly they can to be really silly. I want peace to break out. It's just that I think those 2 meeting has the potential to do more harm than good. Hopefully I'm wrong if they do actually meet.
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  1887. Because people died and it was covered up.
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  1888. Actually the justice dems suck. /s
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  1889. Pretty funny of you to be calling others idiots.
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  1890. Is this what you would say if we were talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Well it's just as nonsensical now.
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  1891. There are millions of people who don't treat it like fake news. They treat it like real news and they affect me. That's why I care.
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  1892. Are you intentionally lying or just too fucking lazy to do a web search. Sanders has in fact condemned what Israel did. https://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2018/04/01/bernie-sanders-condemns-israels-killing-of-palestinian-protesters
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  1893. What are your thoughts on what you did? You know, blatantly lying?
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  1894. It is impossible to take you seriously. You are liar who gives their own stupid ass comments a thumbs up. You are pretty pathetic. Regarding, "criticizing is not condemning" They are literally synonyms fuckface. Stop making excuses for lying. https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/criticize
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  1895. You are an idiot, a liar and a douche. Good luck with that.
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  1896. Regarding, "criticize and condemn have different perception" Still trying to rationalize lying huh? Regarding, "the average American education is 9th grade" I want to think that this is hyperbole but I can't say for sure if it that or just another lie seeing as how you have already proven yourself to be a blatant liar. Regarding, "Jesus love you" This may be the happiest I've ever been to be an atheist.
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  1897. Regarding, "Jesus loves everybody" Yeah. I can tell because your book of bullshit says I am going to spend the eternity of the afterlife in a lake of fire for not believing in your skydaddy. That is "love." Regarding, "I and my friends will pray for you" How about you worry about significantly more important things if you are so in touch with your invisible all-powerful friend? Regarding, "about the 9th grade education level let me tell you a story" Seeing as how you demonstrate an inability to think intelligently I shouldn't be surprised that you think "a story" is akin to fact. Did you know that there is a way to know what the average education level of American is? Did you know that it is not done by a "story." Regarding, "you do not even know me therefore how could you judge that I am a liar" You fucking lied in your original statement. That is all I need to know about you to know that you are a liar. This isn't rocket science. Regarding, "remember what the Bible have said..." Remember that your book of bullshit advocates for slavery and all sorts of other completely hideous shit.
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  1898. unfortunately mr. nice guy Nidal Shehadeh is 100% pro-bible which means 100% pro-genocide inflicted on the the entire population of the planet during the great flood inflicted on women and children and the elderly, I am yet to hear him condemning the acts of their god killing innocent civilians.
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  1899. So your response to my comment is to get offended at the term I used to describe your imaginary friend instead of addressing the handful of ways I specifically talked about why your imaginary friend is a fucking psycho who is cool with slavery and genocide. Why am I not surprised? Those are the types of things you claim to care about according to your original comment. Those are things that you claim to think need to be condemned. But your piece of shit book of bullshit instead gives slavery rules. There are several commandments to tell you how important it is that you worship your piece of shit imaginary deity but no commandments (or any comments EVER) to say slavery is wrong in a time when slavery was prevalent. Your piece of shit god had a problem with people working on Sunday enough to tell you not to do it but they felt no need to say that slavery is wrong and shouldn't be done... you know like a moral being and moral god would. Instead your piece of shit god tells you how to do slavery right.
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  1900. Regarding, "Jesus is not what you see on TV" Of course. You, like every other religious nut job, from every other faith has this romanticized notion of what your god is like that says more about you than it does about the nonexistent thing you are talking about. Regarding, "Jesus is someone that you have to..." This is not a very logical or practical way of doing things for an all powerful deity. I wish you understood how brainwashed and stupid all the bullshit you said was. Regarding, "the good Lord can only do that if" Wait so your god isn't all powerful then? Regarding, "you have to seek the good Lord" Why exactly does this make any fucking sense? What would you think if a parent treated their child this way? Did you dad to say to you after you were born, "I'm happy to be your dad but before I am going to be a dad to you you are going to need to find me" as they walked out the door. Regarding, "everlasting life" You are a sheep who wants to believe in this bullshit because you can't accept the cold hard fact that when you die you are dead. Regarding, "you might think you are Beyond recovery" I think you are probably beyond recovery. That is very different. Regarding, "I tell you Jesus loves you" You say this but have nothing to say when I point out that your loving god likes to burn people in a lake of fire not for things like slavery but for simply not believing in them. Even if your god is real then your god is a dick according to your "good book." Regarding, "have you read the Bible" Yes. That is why I'm able to cite how the bible gives rules for slavery as opposed to condemning slavery. Have you read the bible? Because you don't seem to know much about your fictitious god. Never do you even try to attempt to address me talking about how your bible gives slavery rules instead of condemning it. Regarding, "are you Jewish" I've already said and made perfectly clear that I'm an atheist. Are you at all embarrassed when you ask questions like this?
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  1901. Oh and you forgot to give your last stupid comment a thumbs up. Don't forget to.
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  1902. Yeah, you are sure to do that but you are not going to address why your bible gives rules for slavery instead of condemning slavery. You are also going to regurgitate your stupid "jesus loves you" bullshit without addressing the fact that your "loving" god went out of his way to flood the planet killing all but everyone (I would think you would care about this since you claim to care about genocide) and burns people he "loves" in hellfire for all of eternity. I'm just suppose to ignore the ways your god demonstrates that they don't love and are a fucking pyscho and accept the stupid things you say without bothering to think intelligently. Sorry but I'm not a fucking moron. Save that bullshit for dipshits.
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  1903. I'm a person who, for example, understands that slavery is abhorrent and wrong... unlike your piece of shit non existent god. I suggest that you ask yourself who you are when you are worshiping something that is happy with slavery and doesn't condemn it. You won't thou because you are a brainwashed sheep who is ok with the completely immoral behavior of your fictitious deity because you think your belief will give you everlasting life instead of focusing on what is actually important... this life... the only one you get.
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  1904. Regarding, "I and my Brothers in Christ prayed for you all night long asking Jesus to extend his hand and touch your heart" So you have this really personally relationship with your imaginary friend and you used that opportunity to talk about me instead of asking them why they are a genocidal psycho who doesn't condemn slavery. Why don't you ask your sky daddy those questions? Your priorities are really messed up just like the fake god you worship. Regarding, "of course he's going to Grant you the good wishes not the naughty wishes" If the bullshit you say were actually true and not just obvious bullshit then you should be wishing for world peace or a cure for cancer and getting it. Instead you are wishing for me to believe the same stupid shit you believe in. Then again the results are exactly the same regardless of what you are thinking really hard to yourself about. Your "prayers" are not going to cure cancer or get me to believe in your bullshit. Not a great use of your time in my opinion seeing as how your time on Earth is limited and you don't get to live forever despite your insane beliefs. Regarding, "you have an amazing sense of humor" You are straight up delusional. I think I have more respect for flat Earthers because there is actually an Earth to think stupid things about.
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  1905. Yes I am going to give you flack for that because you are being a fucking idiot. The establishment appreciates you doing their work for them and they appreciate your stupidity.
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  1906. Regarding, "You're stuck on the idea that someone needs to run as a Democrat, even though it's obvious that the whole apparatus of party is rotten to the core," We need a good person and true progressive to run and win as a democrat, BECAUSE the "democratic" party is rotten to the core. Not only has the party rigged the game for their establishment candidates, but both major parties have rigged the entire game top to bottom start to finish and designed the system to be rigged against third parties as well. We desperately need at least one major party that isn't complete dogshit and the only way that is going to happen anytime soon is if a progressive runs and wins as dem. Then they could singlehandedly perform many much needed reforms within the party. Part of the reason they suck as much as they do at the moment is, in part, because Hillary "won" the primary. The corporate dems could be purged from the party the same way progressives were recently purged. The party could be banned from taking legalized bribes and more. Yes the democrats suck and I'm not looking to live side by side with them. I'm looking to take over the party hostile takeover style. I love Jimmy Dore but he doesn't seem to get that point about people still working to reform the party. I'm not trying to "save" them. I'd be happy if they just died. BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DIE. At least not anytime soon. Especially with Trump as President. That fact alone could sustain the opposition party. We need to takeover the "democratic" party and the clearest path to do so is Sanders in 2020 and you are not helping when you smear him.
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  1907. If you are a warmonger you can get away with never using the word peace. They merely replace it with the word appeasement so that they never have to use it or think about it.
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  1908. Regarding, "you don't know what a fucking quiver is?" Yeah. That was the only time he lost me.
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  1909. She was old and had cancer. Don't be an idiot.
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  1910.  @terryrobinson2324  Regarding, "she was old and had cancer for a decade or more. " Um... Yeah. So don't be an idiot.
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  1911.  @terryrobinson2324  She was old and she had cancer. You should be using Occam's razor, not an unfounded conspiracy theory.
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  1912.  @terryrobinson2324  Or let me try to put it to you another way... I'm far more surprised she managed to live as long as she did than I am surprised she died.
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  1913. You care too much about party labels. You share that trait with staunch republicans and staunch democrats. Vote for good people and care less about that label.
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  1914. Um yes. It has to do exactly with labels. Don't get me wrong the party in general is a fucking dumpster fire but that doesn't mean that all people who run as a democrat are fucking terrible. You don't vote for a party. You vote for a person. Regarding, "real progressive (Keith Ellison)" You know he is a democrat right? A good guy fighting for the soul of the party. The type of person that deserves your support, even if he has the audacity to wear that terrible label. Don't worry so much about that label. Support PROGRESSIVES. Support good people. Those are the labels that actually matter.
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  1915. Regarding, "support (Keith Ellison)" How do you mean this? Are you saying this as only being in the past tense? Because earlier you were saying "I cannot bring myself to ever vote Democrat again." So I admit I can't be sure exactly what the fuck you are saying. Regarding, "He was cheated..." You know why there is cheating? It is because there is a war being fought. I think you would be wise to support the good side as opposed to saying they can go fuck themselves because they are using tactics you disagree with. Regarding, "So funny that you're watching Jimmy Dore?" Is it really? Do I have to agree with a person 100 percent of the time? I love Dore and I love Sanders but, spoiler alert, I don't agree with either of them on 100 percent of things. I don't even agree with myself 100 percent of the time as I occasionally change my mind even. I think Dore is right about pretty much everything but I personally think there is value in fighting to takeover the party hostile takeover style. I'm not looking to coexist with corporate dems. I'm looking to kick their asses on the street. I want to purge them the same way progressives were purged. And you know why they were able to purge progressives? Because there were progressives to be purged. As in there are still people fighting the good fight even if they are hard to find at times. And I will support them because I believe in nuance and won't lump all people who are democrats and pretend they are the same. They are not. Regarding, "The Democrats would rather lose to a Republican, than win with a progressive." You are talking about corporate democrats. Not all democrats. It is an important distinction. Regarding, "They don't want you!!! Wake up." No shit. I don't want them (as in corporate dems) either. I'm not talking about supporting them. I'm talking about PROGRESSIVES. I support them. Regardless of the party label they wear. Regarding, "even if Bernie miraculously got the nomination?" Yeah. It may take a miracle since people like you who think they are progressive aren't willing to support him in that battle or, even if he wins the nomination, the battle after. Regarding, "Do you think Democrats would ever allow any of his policies to go through?" Huh? You act as if this is important to you but I'm not sure, again, why I'd take that seriously. Let's say Sanders did what you want and ran as a 3rd party candidate. Do you not realize that then both major parties would oppose everything he wants and would just try to run out the clock on his administration? Because they would. And don't get me wrong, corporate dems would still oppose pretty much everything a "democrat" president Sanders would try to pass but they would be more incentivized to work with him if he was a "democrat" as opposed to something else. Regarding, "They at this very moment are mad at Donald Trump for not dropping more bombs on Syria" Except there are democrats like Sanders and Gabbard that are not happy about it. Regarding, "You say I care about labels?" Yes. You demonstrate it by saying that you would support Sanders as a 3rd party candidate but wouldn't support him as a "democrat." So you obviously do care about that label far more than the person wearing the label. If you think Sanders isn't worth supporting as a dem then don't support him. Period. Regardless of the label he wears. I support him because I support him. The person. The ideas he advocates for. I'd support him if he were a dem, republican, independent, green, martian or other. That is what not caring about the label looks like. You do the opposite. Because you clearly do care about that label. Regarding, "lets get away from that labels! News Flash!" News flash. Those labels aren't going anywhere anytime soon even if there is a great case to be made that they should. The "democratic" party is suppose to be our party. And I'm going to continue to fight to make it what it should be. That means I am going to vote in their fucked up primary for the most progressive candidate I can find. And if the succeed in getting a corporate shill as their nominee I will tell them they can go fuck themselves and I'll support someone I want to win... like I did with Jill Stein in 2016. But that is rightfully plan B. Regarding, "Bernie Sanders won his state as a Independent!! Lets see him win the Presidency the same way!" Let's just pretend the entire system isn't rigged against 3rd party candidates. Or better yet. Let's accept that cold hard fact and act more accordingly. If you think Sanders is worth support then support him. Or don't. You vote for people. Not parties. Or at least you should... but don't.
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  1916. The party, in general, is a dumpster fire. We don't disagree about that. You don't need to spend time talking about they ways they suck. They do. I don't disagree about that. The area that we disagree on is is what are we suppose to do about it. How is the best way to bring about progressive change in the future? I personally think hostile takeover of the party is worth trying. Like I've already said corporate dems can be purged exactly the same way progressives were purged. The party nominee holds crazy power in the party. Power to shape and mold the party going forward. The ability to essentially unilaterally enact reforms. They get to pick the chair. The chair picks the people under them. Who pick the people under them and so on. One of the reasons why the party is going to suck until at least 2020 is because Hillary Clinton "won" the nomination. That is why Tom Perez got the job. I don't think that should be the only plan in action but that is plan A. Plan B is building up other parties and supporting them if hostile takeover fails. Even if hostile takeover would succeed there is great benefit to having other parties with power and influence. That is important to keeping the major parties "honest," and pulling them to the left... which is where I want policy to be. Regarding, "I just don't understand the need for popular candidates (especially Bernie and Keith) to attach themselves to a party that doesn't want them?" There are so many good answers to this question and none of them are because they are trying to coexist and live kumbyya (sic) with the corporate dems. It is about making the party into what it should be but obviously is not. That party isn't going to miraculously change all by itself ya know. We need people to force it to happen and those people need our support if they are going to be able to succeed. I'd love to think that just telling that party that sucks and has betrayed us to go fuck itself is the answer but it isn't. We live in a world with lots of brainwashed sheep. Sheep that have their teams and support them regardless of what they are doing. Millions of people have already decided to vote for the democrat already and it doesn't matter who that person is. That is just the sad reality and we would be wise to accept it and act accordingly rather than pretend that isn't the case. Then, especially at the national level, there is the electoral college. It isn't good enough to just get the most EC votes.... you need a MAJORITY of EC votes to win. That makes it incredibly difficult for a 3rd party candidate to win, especially when that candidate is certainly going to be splitting the vote with the "democratic" candidate. Oh and again possibly the most important reason to be a "democrat" is because that is the only way to reform and change the party... from the inside. Only sheep vote because of a party label. Vote for good people. People who share your values and priorities. I guess you can argue that giving the "democratic" party the finger is a priority. They do deserve it. But that is cutting off your nose to spite your face. And I'm not saying they are owed your vote. They definitely are not. But there needs to be nuance and there is no nuance when you say things like, "I cannot bring myself to ever vote Democrat again." I have never, in my entire life ever voted for a Republican and have no plans to do so anytime soon. But I also never say I will never vote for a Republican. If Rand Paul were the Republican nominee in 2016 I may very well have voted for him just because of his positions on foreign policy and drugs. Maybe not. But I would have thought about it because the point I'm trying to make is that the person is more important than the party label. Get some good people in the parties and then maybe, just maybe, they would not suck so much. Just a thought.
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  1917. Oh and you don't have to reply. I don't exactly do this to change people minds. Pretty much everyone has their mind made up here and isn't about to change... myself included. I do this to blow off steam about our government because just thinking about it makes my head want to explode and I need a way to stop that from actually happening.
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  1918. You are an idiot.
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  1919. You are the idiot. I thought I made myself clear but I guess you are not smart enough to understand even the simplest of things.
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  1920. I don't care about age. I care about policy. There is no reason to think Sanders can't do the job and if something should happen we have VPs for a reason.
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  1921. Don't blame drugs for her shit.
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  1922.  @ln5425  You can't really be this stupid can you?
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  1923. WeLikeIt nailed it. If anyone is a shill it is Eugene. That or they are just a useful idiot for the establishment.
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  1924. No votes are fucking meaningless. The only thing that matters are yes votes. Sanders did not vote yes... stop acting like he did.
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  1925. Regarding, "he's just getting in the way" If you think this then you are not paying attention. Sanders has been fighting the war of ideas and winning. He is single handedly forcing the corporate media to talk about medicare for all. He is forcing politicians of both parties to go on the record on this important issue. He has done more to wake the country to corruption and the problems we face than anyone else in the country. He has a lifetime of being on the right side of virtually every issue. He is the most popular politician in the country and the best hope we have for getting the change we deserve going forward but if you want to ignore all that because of a fucking meaningless endorsement you go ahead. The establishment appreciates your idiocy and they appreciate you smearing him for them.
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  1926. No she won't. I think your best chance at getting her to tell the truth is by paying her.
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  1927.  @rg5445  "we are being lied to about everything? That’s what logic would indicate." Don't take it too far. Donald trump is a POS and the earth is a globe.
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  1928. It's not about being with them. It is about taking over.
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  1929. Nah. They are already working on ways to remove their vocal cords.
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  1930. Yeah. You can tell he is good at his job of working for the dems by the way he has exposed the rot in the party more than anyone else on Earth.
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  1931. Hasn't exposed anything? Huh. You must be living in a different world than I do. I live in this one. Where Sanders has exposed them for what they are by existing. They wouldn't have had to rig the primary 2016 in the first place if it were not for him. They wouldn't have looked worse because he was there. He proved you don't need corporate money and superpacs. But I guess you live in a different world than I do.
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  1932. Regarding, "Do you think progressive doctrine is somehow unique to Bernie?" No. And I have no idea why you would think I might. Regarding, "If you have been paying attention..." If you have been paying attention you would realize that the more people than ever are woke to the rot in the party. Clearly you don't want to give Bernie any credit for this but he fact of the matter is that it is a direct result of his existence. When you said, "Corporatism has U.S. politics on lockdown." You were essentially correct. The only reason the public is exposed to that "flower" in shit is because of there actually being that flower. And that flower is Bernie Sanders. You know... the guy who calls for a "political revolution." The guy who makes sure to identify himself as an independent and not a dem. The guy forcing the corporate media to talk about single payer. The guy who makes sure everyone sees that "sea of shit" for what it is because he gives them a flower to compare it to. But you go ahead and continue to smear him. There is lots of that stupid shit going on around here. Fuckers expect him to do literally everything when literally everything, including the fucks who should be supporting him, are working against him. It is fucking disgusting.
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  1933. That is something you should be embarrassed about, not proud of. Dore is great but you need a life.
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  1934. Ok buddy. If that is really what you get off on then you go right ahead and you be you. Sorry for pointing out that I think what you get off on is pretty pathetic and that I think you should probably be spending more time being outside and/or doing anything else with your time.
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  1935. Regarding, "First, I'm not your buddy" No shit sherlock. It was meant to be condescending. Regarding, "second, I don't need your apology" It wasn't actually an apology. I guess you don't understand this shit without me spelling it out to you because you are not very smart. Regarding, "Third, there are people out there..." I think this is funny because you think it relevant to the conversation at hand. This is about you. The guy who is proud to and makes it their life mission to say "first." So proud they need to make it clear that this isn't their first time. They have done this shit before. Regarding, "I guess there is the proof that your brain isn't functioning properly." I guess you would think that because your brain isn't functioning properly. Regarding, "You should really go hug that electrical transformer now" No thanks. Doing stupid shit is your thing, not mine.
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  1936. Regarding, "you have a sack of rocks for a brain" This insult would be more effective if it wasn't coming from a dipshit. Regarding, "I guess you don't understand how a clap back works." Sorry for pointing out why what you said was stupid. I guess you didn't understand how that works. Regarding, "a guy who apparently has more important things to do" I'm not claiming that me calling out stupid where I see it be an especially constructive use of time but it has more merit than saying "first" as a hobby. Regarding, "there is saying "you can't beat stupid"" Yup. You really prove that saying with your stupid. Keeping doing it if it really brings you joy for all I care. Simple pleasures for simple people.
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  1937. So much stupid in so few words. Way to go.
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  1938. Bernie Sanders is why m4a is as popular as it is.
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  1939. The most popular politician in the country is a "nobody?" No. You are a nobody. And a stupid nobody at that.
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  1940.  @cameronmoore4061  "it is not his opinion, it is what he wants your opinion to be." So I guess by your own "logic" this isn't your opinion. It's what he wants your opinion to be. "Everyone knows it came from a lab" Do they? Don't get me wrong I think it came from a lab but we don't exactly have the smoking gun and likely never will because it will be covered up. "even ron" You offer this opinion of yours but you aren't offering any sort of evidence to support it.
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  1941.  @paulsommerhalder9049  "that Pro-China guest? I forget his name" If I were trying to come up with an example of a smear as an example for a textbook this might be it.
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  1942.  @cameronmoore4061  Regarding, "I have reasoning, ron doesn't." Everyone thinks they have their reasons dipshit but not everyone is a hypocrite about it like you are. "Why did china flip out on australia for starting an investigation?" LMFAO. Let's say for second they hypothetically are innocent even though I think it was a lab leak... of course they would not want an investigation for the same reasons I don't want anyone investigating me for murder and rape.... because I've never done either of those things. "Notice ireland didn't care" I really didn't. But only because I really don't care about this. What is your point exactly? Do people think ireland leaked corona or some shit that I'm totally unaware of?
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  1943.  @cameronmoore4061  Regarding, "they asked for an investigation and got slapped with sanctions by china, and a cease in all diplomatic dialogue." Wait... this is your smoking gun? "you're clearly an idiot" I find this funny coming from you. Thanks for the laugh. "will do nothing but prove this to anyone reading "I really didn't. But only because I really don't care about this. " Imagine my shock" I honestly have no clue what point you are trying to make here and I'm fine with that.
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  1944.  @OmarApps1  That I'm aware of and that actually does make the case while Hayden is focused on the wrong things.
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  1945.  @OmarApps1  "an attempt to manufacture a vaccine against the AIDS virus in a Chinese laboratory" Which seems like nobel enough goals. But are the costs worth it?
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  1946.  @cameronmoore4061  "When china are involved people lie and grovel, people like you." I've said I think it was a lab leak. I said that if there is a smoking gun it will be covered up. But don't let that stop you from saying stupid like this. Whatever. I've wasted far too much time addressing you already. I'm done with that.
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  1947. TYT are not progressives.
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  1948.  @harrisonschneider8333  I think it's better they not even try.
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  1949.  @kaijessen3654  "This is the best of all possible worlds" This is stupid even by internet comment section standards.
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  1950.  @kaijessen3654  "Commenting on Voltaire is stupid or having read Voltaire is stupid?" You can tell what I'm referring to because it's in the quotation marks. This is clearly not the best of all possible worlds and to suggest it might be is asinine. "I’m going to guess that you don’t read much more than bumper stickers." Idiots love making assumptions. And when I do read a bumper sticker I even call it out when it says something stupid.
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  1951.  @kaijessen3654  The quality of the things you have said has progressed to that of a kindergartner. Bravo.
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  1952.  @despoticmusic  No man it's not a scam... I gave them a nickel and now I'm a billionaire! They even gave me a happy ending.
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  1953. Make sure you are all subscribed to revolutionary blackout and sabby sabs if you are not already.
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  1954.  @phanders6236  "it is wrong to behave like a creep" I agree. Ana and her creepy behavior of exposing herself at work and of attempting blackmail is very wrong and it's good that people are shining a light on her immoral terrible behavior.
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  1955.  @lurice0  "it was wrong for jimmy to cite a specific incident." No. It wasn't. He was being blackmailed and was trying to get out ahead of it.
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  1956.  @lurice0  BTW regarding, "SHE NEVER MENTIONED THE SHORT SKIRT STORY" Yes. She did. She mentioned the apology note. The apology note was for the short skirt story. Just typing things in all caps doesn't make your BS better than it is.
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  1957. "another corporatist?" In other words you are admitting that AOC IS a corporatist. Thanks. Not that it really needs be said. And you are one of the people "defending" her.
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  1958. You are why trump loves the uneducated.
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  1959. Chris regarding, "his initial vote was against the war but every vote there after he voted yes to fund the war you cannot vote against the war but then vote for funding the war it's hypocritical" You are a fucking moron who doesn't understand what the word hypocritical means. The fact of the matter is that his votes make absolute sense. There is the vote to go to war. He votes against. Not only does he vote against but he gives an impassioned speech in front of congress as to why he is voting no. Time proves all his logic is fucking perfect but he is on the losing side of that vote and we are going to war. Period. No votes after that are going to stop it and change that simple fact. Bernie Sanders, because he is not stupid like you, accepts that sad fact of reality and acts accordingly afterward. He is given the choice of funding the troops properly as they go to war or voting to not fund them as they are going to war. Keep in mind that EITHER FUCKING WAY THEY ARE GOING TO WAR. So he votes to fund them because, seeing as how they were going to war, he wanted them to have what they needed while at war. That makes perfect sense to someone who isn't dumb beyond words or working real hard to smear someone. Regarding, "like I said you didn't do the research" Like I said you are a complete fucking dipshit. I'm not sure if you aren't aware of the logic or are just too stupid to understand it but either way you are a joke. That said his record is not perfect in my mind. There have been things I've disagreed with him on. But I don't expect perfection because I'm not a fucking moron. The only person I agree with absolutely on everything is myself and I'm not even sure if that is true. But good luck with your continued efforts to smear Sanders. The establishment fucking loves you for it and appreciates you doing their work for them. You are either already working for them or you are a useful idiot for them. Either way you suck at life and can lick my taint.
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  1960. What a compelling argument you make Chris. I guess that's all you have after I've pointed out why literally everything you have said is dumb as fuck. But the establishment loves you because you are a fuckface and stupid. Good luck with that going forward.
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  1961. Planet regarding, "That old bag should be hung for treason." I don't believe in the death penalty. I'd be happy if she spent the rest of her life in prison thou. Regarding, "Hillary / dnc cheated the entire primary." There is literally nothing she wouldn't have done to win. And the DNC would have rather lost to Trump than lose to Bernie. (and if you agree with that you must realize that that is because they know Bernie is a threat to them) Regarding, "To support someone who cheated us of our democracy is too much." and "How could bern support everything he stands against?" and "How could he support the person that cheated us?" If you want to disagree with actions I can understand that and respect that. What I can't respect is a misguided notion that he did what he did as a "sell-out." When entering the primary he agreed that he would endorse the winner at the end. Sanders is the type of person who will go out of his way to do what he promises he will. That said you can say the DNC broke their agreement with him so he would have been justified in breaking his agreement with them and I would wholeheartedly agree. He didn't. And even if I very much question his decision I don't have that much trouble understanding it. Would you want to be blamed for President Trump? I sure as fuck wouldn't. He is all the corruption and terrible of Hillary but with the added bonus of in your face racism. He, pretty much everyone in the country, played the game of who do you prefer? A douche or a turd sandwhich. He picked the douche and didn't want to be blamed for the turd sandwhich. I fucking hated it at the time but I get it. And forget for a moment what that decision made meant to the presidential election but consider what it meant for Sanders ability to affect policy going forward. Remember that he and I fucking love policy. That is really what it is all about. He doesn't do it for himself. He doesn't do it to be loved. He does it because he wants to make people lives better. And even if you might disagree with his decision the bottom line is that he made an impossible decision because sucking up his pride and doing something I don't think I would have been able to do because that decision was the difference in him being able to effectively push for medicare for all, and increasing the minimum wage, and all the other policies he cares about. Because he did what he did he is currently the most popular politician in the country and that gives him the ability to fight more effectively for the things we care about. Do you think that would be the case if he didn't do what he did? If he were effectively blamed for Trump being president? And Hillary and company still tried and are trying to blame him but, because he didn't give them ammunition to do so, even hillbots have an impossible time defending the fallen queen when she tried to blame Bernie. Regarding, "I can't be ok with a system that gives us trump/hillary." Don't think that I am. That is a fucking joke. Regarding, "He had the momentum to run 3rd party and do well." You want to question his decision to not do so that is fine. I get that and respect that. Have you seen the movie "half baked?" I wanted him to go to the convention and get up on stage and say, "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you, I'm out and running with the green party." He didn't and we will never know for sure how he would have done in a 3 way race. He certainly would have been fighting an uphill battle although I think he may have been able to win. That said this would have been a yuuugge risk... Getting the most electoral college votes wouldn't have been enough, it would have taken a majority of electoral college votes to win. If he doesn't win Trump definitely wins. If Trump definitely wins Bernie is definitely blamed and, unlike now, they would have been successful at blaming him. Not only would his career had been essentially over at that point but the movement he started would have suffered a DEVASTATING blow. And even if he wins he likely is able achieve almost nothing in terms of legislation. Both major parties would oppose and obstruct everything he would have tried to do and they would work to just run the clock out til he is gone and then try to go back to business as usual after he is out. Regarding, "Supporting lesser of two evils gets us what we got today. That's y we r here. Supporting lesser of two evils is supporting evil. I refuse to support evil." I agree with all this. I happily voted for Jill Stein and will look again to the green party if the dems succeed in forcing through a corporate shill in 2020. But Bernie in 2020 gives us the best chance we have at actually getting a progressive in the WH. Not only that but winning as a dem, and not as green or 3rd party would be so much better. The nominee of the party has crazy power to reform the party, shape the party, and pick the people in it. Part of the reason the dems currently suck as much as they do and will continue to do so until 2020 is because Hillary "won" the nomination. That is why there was Perez. Then Perez got to pick the pick under him who picked the people under them and so on. But corporate dems could be purged just the same way progressives were recently purged from the party. Sanders is the best hope for what we want. In 2016 he was down 50 points to Hillary when he started and only lost because he was cheated. In 2020 he will be the most popular politician in the country with the name recognition of a rock star. The establishment knows this. They fear him. You can tell by watching all their actions. If he was on their side they wouldn't be working 24/7 to try to discredit and smear him with every dirty tactic they have. I literally wonder and wouldn't be surprised if Chris were just shill paid to smear Sanders. Maybe not. Maybe he is just a useful idiot. But if he isn't that is a tactic they will use against him because they will do anything and everything to stop him. For the sake of the country lets hope they don't succeed. Peace.
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  1962. Planet regarding, "a lot of ur arguments are self contradictory." That is pretty vague. If you are going to say that I'd prefer it if you elaborated with more than just that. Regarding, "Some what "restarted" to boot." I have no idea what you are saying here. Could you elaborate or rephrase?
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  1963. Planet regarding, "give u specifics" Ok. That's your call but in my opinion that is pretty lazy and weak. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think there is a time and place for insults and no need to justify them (my original comment in this thread was exactly that), but I think doing so is almost never justified. Regarding, "The only reason I said ur arguments were retarded..." Specifically in my original response to you I think I was not very rude at all. There were no personal attacks at all. The closest that can be said was that I attack an argument of yours and told you exactly why I thought what I did. Regarding, "I normally avoid personal attacks." You do realize where I got most pissed at you right? "Sounds like ur the hillary fan to me." That is pretty much a personal attack to me. I fucking hate Hillary and did not appreciate you saying that in the least. Not only do I find it insulting but I think that you saying it was not, at all, justified. I had been talking exclusively about Sanders except for one comment about Hillary where I actually insult her. Me saying, "If you wanted a candidate who would do anything and everything to win then I'm sure you loved Hillary and company," was clearly done in a disparaging manner and then you were calling me a Hillary fan. How do you like it when people call you a Hillary fan? Because I am not a fan of that. Regarding, "I normally avoid personal attacks, stick with issues." Telling me I'm making bad arguments but not bothering to say why seems to contradict this. Regarding, "death penalty" I'm not looking to debate the death penalty here but the fact of the matter is that I'm opposed to it from a principled position that I think killing people is wrong when there is another option. I make no exceptions to this belief even for the people I think deserve it the most. Regarding, "this entire debate seems like a waist of both our time" If you don't want to talk that is fine. I am genuinely interested why you would say "a lot of ur arguments are self contradictory" if you feel like elaborating because I am genuinely interested in what you have to say unlike Chris. But if you don't you don't. Regarding, "Bern did things that I question." Of course. Me too. That is only natural. The guy has been in government for a long, long time so it only makes sense that there have been decisions that he has made that someone is going to question but you need to look at the big picture in my opinion. Even if there have been areas I disagree with him ultimately I think questioning whether or not he is actually progressive or whether he is fighting against corporate democrats or for them is quite obvious. I expect the establishment is going to try and use this area specifically to thwart him. I worry many will fall for the tactic because the public is right to be skeptical of everyone that is a politician. Regarding, "if he makes it through the primary he'll have my vote." I hope he has your vote before that. I believe that, by far, the most important election in 2020 isn't going to be the general election but rather the "democratic" primary. Regarding, "If u don't find any of berns actions questionable that's up to u." I'm pretty sure I've given examples of decisions I question of his. I also think it is logical that progressives can agree on goals they want to achieve and have different ideas about the best way to get those things but ultimately we are still on the same team. Regarding, "Maybe at this point we could at least agree to disagree." Again if you are going to respond to anything I would ask it would be why made that one statement but even if you don't I wish you well. If you were insulted by anything I said I apologize. I can be a straight super dick at times (see comments to chris for examples) but that really wasn't my intent with you at all other than me getting pissed about being called a hillary supporter.
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  1964. I wasn't exactly saying that you did like Hillary but rather saying that the characteristic that you wanted so much out of Bernie was exactly what you would expect out of Hillary. I was hoping that would demonstrate why I liked a characteristic that was the exact oppose of her. I guess ultimately, even if we agreed on nothing else we can both agree that we do not like being accused of liking her. I fucking hate that Trump is president but I do like that she will never be president. Take care. Peace.
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  1965. "understand the constitution before you share sophomoric notions." You have what's known as dunning-kruger.
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  1966. Kyle can get fucked. His support was tepid at best and it doesn't make up for his other BS.
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  1967. That's not the "left" that does that. That's the elite.
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  1968.  @eristicfreethinker2098  " non elite folks on the left" Their are peasants on both sides who are useful idiots for the establishment goals. Like you, and your rhetoric that serves them and their interest to divide the peasants in the left and right camps to get them fighting each other instead of the people with actual power.
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  1969. I'm the left. I'm not your enemy. I'm not trying to redefine what vaccine means. I actually call out the people who do. Focus on the elite. They are your enemy.
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  1970.  @reasonwarrior  "people don't wakeup and unite because they assume they know what everyone is about based on their group" They unite based on vested interest. It's not in the interest of the people if the elite own everything. "All black people aren't a certain way, all white republicans aren't either." Thanks. Have I said they are? Maybe address the things I actually say. "This is what marxist want you to think" So according to you all marxist are a certain way? You are wasting my time. "Do you have any idea how much turnover there is in those categories," Very little these days, especially compared to the past where people were more easily able to move between groups. And this isn't important to me. I don't care what class you are in. I care whose interests you represent.
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  1971.  @reasonwarrior  "peasants could become millionaires all the time" The founded a system where it was easy to become a millionaire as long as you exploited some slaves or someone else. Because that's what capitalism does.
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  1972.  @reasonwarrior  "I think it's much more meaningful to just categories people by good and evil" Good people don't become billionaires. "For every great fortune there is a great crime." -some smart guy stating the obvious
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  1973.  @reasonwarrior  "Appears useless to argue" It's not my fault everything you say is terrible for one reason or another. "a simplistic view of a complex problem." Just calling income inequality a "complex problem" doesn't make it true. In a complex world some things are "simple." For example if the exxon CEO loves the "inflation" bill that really is all you need to know about it... it's terrible. "Keep talking about those darn elites though, as if you know what that means." I'm confident I know what simple words mean even if you don't.
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  1974.  @Sunflower-ug3eh  I wish that were true but as malcomn X has said, "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing," and some people are "not careful."
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  1975.  @squanchy7643  "Upward mobility is important." Sure. "Don’t hate people just because they’ve worked hard to make their lives better." I don't. I hate you if you side with the elite. You don't have side with the class you are in. You can choose to be class traitor. "Are we enemies because I made choices in life that ultimately lead to increased prosperity?" Nope. But we are enemies if you got to where you are by stepping on other people. Was your prosperity created by someone whose live isn't better? That's when we have a problem. "I think we all can agree that dark money and corporate backing of politicians is problematic." So are you using your new wealth to buy the system? Because if you are calling this out and trying to stop it we can always be friends on this topic if not anything else.
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  1976.  @squanchy7643  "I don’t think you should hate someone because you’re envious of them." I'm an "anti-capitalist" and you conflating that with "hating capitalists.
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  1977.  @squanchy7643  I don't care how much money you have. I care which team you are on.
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  1978.  @Woeisme2  "Your fellow republicans" I'm an not a republican and never have been. Which makes "Actually talk to each other before assuming," really funny in a you are an idiot kinda way.
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  1979.  @Woeisme2  "democrat bad" Also, democrats are bad, just like republicans. Clown.
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  1980. @Eran Riblo Yeah. Trump probably got Covid from a mask. /s
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  1981. I think it's going to fail. But every step of the way we get to see who is for it and who is against it. I've loved AOC in the past but she is being exposed as a fraud as is ANYONE acting like this isn't a nobrainer if you want m4a in the long run.
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  1982.  @josephjohn907  Regarding, "AOC is still the same Progressive that I supported and still Support" I voted for someone I thought was going to fight for m4a. Not squander a gift that has been given her. Regarding, "I like representation more than anything." I want policy. "Representation" is only a means to get it. Regarding, "You Anti Progressive Democrats" You seem pretty willing to lump me into a large category based on little. Regarding, "foolish vote" Wait... m4a is a "foolish" vote? Yeah, you are tough to take seriously. Regarding, "Dummy Dore didn't Support Bernie during the Primary instead he supported Tulsi who didn't endorsed M4A in an interview with Dummy Dore." This has NOTHING to do with forcing the vote on m4a. But I suspect that is why you are bringing it up. To deflect and distract from the topic at hand.
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  1983.  @thesoundofmerk  I honestly hope you are paid for that crap and aren't actually as dense as you seem.
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  1984.  @thesoundofmerk  " what does it do then? does it force us to know who is for M4A? we already know lol" Meanwhile, in reality, I get to learn who is going to fight for m4a and who won't. Apparently AOC won't. That's what I'm learning this very second. As for the rest of your shit I don't take you seriously enough to want to address it intelligently.
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  1985.  @thesoundofmerk  One thing I would like to add before I go back to ignoring you... corporate media is able to portray m4a as "pie in the sky" "unattainable" "fantasy." That's a lot harder to do when it's on the table for a vote. And it's a lot harder for politicians to justify their position when that position is being voted on and not just talked about. I suspect you understand this but pretend not to.
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  1986.  @thesoundofmerk  Regarding, "you literally didn't make one point that makes sense" That's the dunning-kruger effect you are experiencing. "Stop acting like you are making points and adress the real question, WHAT WILL THIS ACTUALLY DO THAT IS GOOD?" I've already told you exactly what good I think it's doing this very fucking moment. You just ignoring my point isn't the same as me not making a point. Here copy and pasted, "I get to learn who is going to fight for m4a and who won't." This isn't rocket science. It might just seem that way to you because you are stupid.
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  1987. Obvious smears like yours only makes me know I'm on the right side as is scott.
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  1988.  @GearHedd  "The truth hurts huh?" Does the fact that you are a smear merchant hurt? I hope so but I doubt it.
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  1989.  @GearHedd  "telling the truth about child predators become known as a smear merchant?" Meanwhile, in reality, the CIA like you protects actual child predators but frames innocent people not towing western propaganda. I hope your smears are worth it.
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  1990.  @GearHedd  "Ukraine" You pretend to care about ukraine. Is that how your rationalize your lies?
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  1991.  @GearHedd  "Thanks for the free laughs." Same. I almost pity you.
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  1992. Regarding, "Is it wrong to make sure the health responders get the equipment first?" By lying to the public and destroying what little faith the public has left in it's public institutions? Obviously. If you are lying to the public because you think the public is listening to what you have to say and are going to do what you say why wouldn't you just be straight with them? Tell them to make their own masks and wear them for their safety and not go and buy the masks available... to save them for the medical professionals instead... they would listen. And even if they weren't going to listen maybe, just maybe use the power of the government to make sure health responders get them first. All of that makes far more sense than lying to the public and giving everyone a perfectly good reason to ignore scientists the next time they try to say something. I mean why the fuck should I listen to ANYTHING that POS says? I'm reminded of quotes by maya angelou and of course... GWB. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." Even a moron like GWB gets it.
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  1993. Nina is on the right side of the issue. Maybe don't be insulting your few allies.
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  1994. Projection is standard operation procedure.
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  1995. But there is peace now. I hope that was sarcasm.
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  1996. I seriously am not sure what you are trying to say. Could you reword and rephrase?
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  1997. Regarding, "The Korean interest is different. They want unity of their country." Is that suppose to be a NK view SK view or both? I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in their thinking but I tend to believe that NK (as in Kim Jong Un) cares most about maintaining power, increasing his standing in the world, and developing weapons for defense. But that isn't really the point. The point with me is that, as a peace loving hippie who wants peace and fears this meeting being used to start war what do you think is the best way to achieve maintained peace and thwarting the MIC? I normally advocate for diplomacy but the fact of the matter is that I don't trust the idea of those 2 meeting.
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  1998. Regarding, "Look at your representatives..." I very much agree with everything you write here but that isn't exactly the question I was looking to have answered. I was asking how to stop the MIC from getting what they want specific to NK and with the current representatives. I do not want to full scale war with them. Normally I would think that diplomacy here would be wise but the fact of the matter is that I do not trust Trump and Kim meeting. I fear those 2 meeting, should it happen, being an event that leads to war and not peace. To me, although the current situation is far from perfect, the risk of them making things worse is very real. I agree with Dore about most things but I think his dismissal of that possibility to be rather silly in this video. It seemed to me your original comment echoed a similar sentiment. I desperately want peace. I'm just not convinced those 2 meeting is a good means to that end.
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  1999. @Bernard I'm not sure. It's only a work in progress and has been for like 20 years so it should be done sometime soon.
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  2000.  @jesterprivilege  And let's not forget the episode of south park where butters got a ninja star in the eye.
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  2001. Then you do not understand the system. The major parties have rigged the game from top to bottom to favor the major parties and they have great advantages.
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  2002. Citation required.
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  2003. Universal health care is cheaper. A lot cheaper. Canada pays half as much per person for their system.
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