Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Bernie's Medicare4All Push More Successful Than It Appears" video.

Bernie Sanders 2020!
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John regarding, "My sources told me Bernie took a buyout package to stop campaigning amd support Hillary" Your "source" is the establishment trying desperately to smear the only politician working for the people. I wanted Bernie to tell Hillary and the DNC to go fuck themselves but I understand why he did what he did even if I disagreed with him on it. Sadly he isn't perfect but he will have my support in 2020. Better late than never.
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Sanders is not pandering. He has been preaching this all his life. Thanks to him the others are forced to pander.
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Actually it is but let's stop fighting wars all over the world anyway.
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It isn't about passing policy right now. It is about forcing politicians to take a position on the record. Just because many of them are signing on doesn't mean I believe them. Still we can all know for sure who doesn't and target most of the mud on them. I get it that you don't believe many of them actually support it. I agree. But this isn't the time to target them. Do that when they are on the wrong side of an issue. It happens plenty enough.
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None. Fortunately it isn't about trust. It is about creating consequences for those opposed enough so that we force them to pass it. It is a litmus test. I'm not going to automatically support someone who says they are for it but I am NOT going to support anyone who openly opposes it. And anyone who flip flops and fucks us over down the road... well that is a quick way to lose your job. Let's just hope that we can get to the point where the K Harris and C Bookers of the world are forced to decide if they want to flip flop or lose their jobs.
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It isn't about passing it now. It is about getting politicians on the record so we can vote out the ones who don't support it and get politicians who do. It is about gaining support for it. It is about having the issue talked about. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Regarding, "good luck with that" Thanks.
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Bart regarding Warren. I don't trust her. She didn't support Bernie during the primaries when it was important, she was late to oppose DAPL and more. Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner should be the first female POTUS.... after Bernie.
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Aitch regarding, "How is Sanders supposed to even run?" As a Democrat after they screwed him. When he ran previously he entered with very little name recognition and that was used against him. They used it by portraying Hillary as inevitable from the start in an effort to suppress Sanders support. What are you going to do? Waste your vote on him? Was the message they tried to send out. Superdelegates support at the start was also used to tilt the field. Even when Sanders was doing well at the start the corporate media was quick to put up numbers including the superdelegates with pledged delegates to misrepresent the state of the race. The DNC actively worked against him with BS planted stories and by not scheduling debates to help the queen. Thanks in large part to wikileaks this corruption (among other morally reprehensible conduct) was exposed. They can't do the same shit again and even if they do the game has changed. Sanders is now a rockstar in the political community with name recognition among everyone where he is currently the most popular politician in the country. No doubt the establishment will work overtime against him. Republicans will call him a communist and corporate democrats will call his plans unachievable but even though I think the public is by and large uniformed and more importantly misinformed due to corporate media, they know he is the real deal. All you need to do is look back at a very large body of work. His age works for him here. You know he genuine because he has said the same shit his entire life. Compare that to Hillary Clinton or any of your other politicians who have been around for a while... they flip flop all the fucking time because they have no principles. Having principles means saying things that are NOT popular with the public. Like when Sanders was supporting gay rights long before the public was. Or when Sanders was the darn near the only guy voting against the patriot act or the Iraq war. He's the real deal I can be sure about it because he is old and on the record all this time. Most people realize it and those that don't are likely going to be voting for a POS candidate anyway. Please let Sanders be healthy in 2020. The country needs him and less importantly so does the "democratic" party if they are ever going to be a party that isn't corrupt as fuck. If he isn't there will be someone else ready to take his place but I am not as sure the country will be smart enough to get behind someone else. Time will tell.
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Aitch regarding, "a third party will never get in to the debates" I get the point. Only a special 3rd party candidate would get into the debates. That said Sanders could have this last time had he run as a 3rd party candidate but only because he is already known. Jill Stein never had the chance to be known because the corporate media would only talk about her to smear her. I get your point but I am sure that if Sanders chose to run as a 3rd party candidate (which I would really want if the DNC fucked him over again) he would get in. Anyone else though is pretty screwed because the public is misinformed constantly and most people are just too busy trying to stay afloat to realize why the game is so fucking rigged.
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Aitch regarding, "Genuine, like when he crumpled after being abused by the DNC" What you are talking about are political tactics. How do you best serve your interests and try to get what you want done. I disagreed with Bernie very much in the moment and still do. That said it might actually end up being the best play for the long run to serve his interests. The country is in a perfect position so than actually progressive will be the next president. Even Hillary Clinton die hards have a hard time excusing her current whining and it is a turnoff to the public at large. (Note, Sanders actually had a legitimate grievance compared to the queen.) But he is genuine when it comes to POLICY POSITIONS. That is what is most important to me. I think it is very reasonable that people who want single payer have very, very, very different ideas about how it is best to get it but ultimately what is most important to me is that we both actually want single payer. Regarding, "Do you remember when he went up to do that, and the crowd cheered for him damn near 15 minutes straight even after he told them to stop half a dozen times?" Have you seen the movie Half Baked? The whole time I was fantasizing about Bernie saying fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, your cool, fuck you I'm running independent. I get it. I really do. I wanted him to run as 3rd party candidate. But I get it. At the end of the day he was still the same person fighting for the same things I want him to fight for even if I thought at that moment he was going about it wrong. I personally never questioned his resolve for the cause even while disagreeing with the tactics. Regarding, "The voters would have stood by him whatever direction he wanted to go." Maybe. I want to think so but ultimately I'm very cynical and do not think much of the public and our media. Him running as a 3rd party candidate would have been just another tool the establishment would use to attack him. Then there would have been the problem that he would need a majority of electoral college votes... having the most would not have been good enough. We will never know. I like to think that if he could have won then he DEFINITELY can win in 2020 and we are far better off with him late than never. Regarding, "he still got on his knees for the Dems." It was an endorsement not his soul. He didn't want to be blamed for Trump winning which is quite reasonable to me. I fucking love Bernie Sanders but I didn't vote for Hillary, I voted for Jill Stein happily. Only a fucking sheep votes based on an endorsement anyway. Regarding, "We could have had the most massive 3rd party vote in recent history" As much as I hate the party system and want more parties, as much as a I hate the "democratic" party, I think it would be best if Sanders wins as a democrat and not an independent or Green Party. As much as the "democratic" party should die I just don't see it happening. And what I think would be best for the country is if someone could reform the party from the inside out so that they actually represented the people and not the corporations. If he wins as a democrat he would be positioned to do so. If he wins as an independent he is unable to do so.
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People like social security. Spoiler alert... that is socialism.
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It isn't about trust. It is about getting them on the record. The public is very slow but even they will vote people out when they flip flop on something that is important to them. We have to at least make them flip flop in the first place. We have to at least create consequences for those opposing it outright. Then when there are supposedly enough and when some of them betray us we vote them out as well. Look I don't trust them either. I wouldn't support practically any of them when they run even. I will continue to try and primary corporatists. But this isn't the time to attack those that are currently supporting this. Save that for when they actually are on the wrong side of an issue. That will likely be tomorrow. But attacking them for this is self defeating. How are you ever going to get people on your side when you attack them when they are actually doing the right thing?
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Who? I'm pretty sure the answer to your question is no.
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All of that is idiotic. Forgive me for not being willing to get into any details. There is too much to correct.
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Koss regarding, "You don't hear the stories from these people who have had family members die because they had to wait to long or because the quality wasn't good enough." You do know that there are millions of people without health insurance in the USA right? You do know that we pay far far more per person for insurance that the rest of the world right? You do know that the USA actually gets WORSE results for health care than other countries right? Like I said everything you say is idiotic. Why am I even bothering?
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Koss seriously I can't correct everything you write. But I'm going to just this once for your last reply... Regarding, "it sucks" Ok. This isn't a stupid thing to say. This is spot on. Unfortunately it all goes downhill from there. Regarding, "If you let the government take it over you will get a low quality product for a high price." No. Fortunately we have countries that we can be compared to. Canada for instance. And their existence proves that what you are saying is wrong. Regarding, "The VA" The VA despite it's problems is MORE POPULAR THAN THE PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY. Regarding, "post office" Is pretty fucking amazing to me. The amount of mail they handle and how long it takes all seems like a bargain compared to the price IMO. Regarding, "single payer healthcare that worked but it won't because of the government." There is no perfect system but the government is better than a for profit private health insurance industry who does nothing to improve care but whose sole purpose is to make money. And make money they do. They take BILLIONS out of the system every year that would be better used to provide coverage. They waste money on advertising. And they are incentivized to provide less coverage if it allows them to make more money. They are uniquely terrible even more so than the government. Lastly the nature of insurance is that the more people you cover the more the costs go down and it only makes sense to put everyone in the pool seeing as how EVERYONE NEEDS COVERAGE. There isn't a single person in the world that can safely go without health care insurance. Seriously I'm done with you. I know it is lazy but I only have so much time.
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Koss regarding, "I agreed with you and you still want to argue" I can be a real dick and I have a problem with all the BS arguments against. To me this is such a no brainer that I have little to no tolerance for the bullshit against it. Regarding, "Maybes single payer will work and maybe it won't" Canada and other countries prove it can work even if not perfectly. We just need people and politicians with the will to make it work. Regarding, "government doesn't have a great track record of taking something and making it better." I can understand this point because our government is filled with people who have a vested interest in making government bad. Still I am going to fight for good government. It isn't going away anytime soon so it may as well be the best government possible. Regarding, "If the post office was so awesome then why did fed ex and ups have to come in and do what they did better, faster, and cheaper?" I can't speak intelligently about this. I mail something about once a year but I guess I've never had a problem with the post office. I guess maybe (and I'm absolutely just speaking off the cuff) Fedex and UPS are able to pay their employees less but I have no idea honestly. Regarding, "They VA is popular to people who don't have to deal with it." No. These are opinion polls based on the people they serve. People who use the VA are happier with it (not the be mistaken with perfect) than people who use the private health insurance industry. Regarding, "He literally had to wait a month for them to tell him he had mouth cancer." I'm not sure what to say about this. Again nothing is going to be perfect. Wait times are going to happen everywhere. I assure you they happen in the private for profit health insurance industry as well. They are ultimately the biggest problem with the VA... wait times. The service they provide after you see somebody is considered to be superior than what the private industry provides because the private for profit industry is more concerned with making money than actually providing care. Regarding, "All I want people to do is weigh the pros and cons before they go into this head first." There are 3 major things I consider be important when it comes to pros and cons. 1. The number of people the system covers. Currently millions do not have insurance. 2. The cost person for health care. Currently Americans pay far, far, far more per person for health insurance compared to other countries. 3. Results. Americans actually receive worse care than other countries. For example compare infant mortality rates in the US to other countries.
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Grant regarding Medicare. And Medicare is for the high risk pool. It covers the most expensive people to cover... the people the private for profit health industry would happily cut loose as soon as they can when it is cheaper to do so.
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Ok Koss whatever you say. I'll happily stop wasting my time here. I knew it was a bad idea from the start and should have trusted my gut.
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Both parties are owned by the corporations and are dependent on their money. The parties are shit. That is why we need a political revolution.
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I wish he would have run as an independent but he didn't. He isn't perfect afterall. Let's get him in office next time. Better late than never.
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Regarding, "In Bernies own words." You mean, in Bernies own, out of context words. Here is the complete context for people who would rather not be lied to... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO95ND0P9LU&t=0s
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Joan I would also like to add that you should be ashamed of yourself.
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It is a litmus test in that I will never support a candidate who doesn't support it. That said just because a candidate says they support doesn't mean I will necessarily believe them. That is done on a case by case basis.
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Darien regarding, "His age will be a major factor ." Why should anyone care about age? I care about policy positions and Sanders is essentially right on everything.
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Sharon regarding, "Bernie is in his mid-70's" Again... I don't care. Regarding, "a person that can continue what Senator Sanders has re-ignited" I consider Gabbard to be plan B but that is only if God forbid Sanders isn't healthy enough or chooses not to run. And if not her it has to be someone who keeps preaching what Sanders talks about. There is a reason his message resonated with the public.
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Grant regarding the Green Party. I hope the "democratic" party gives me a candidate to support next go round for Pres but if they don't I will happily vote for the Green Party again. That said I admit to being dismayed by how Jill Stein did during the last election. I mean... if she couldn't do better against Trump and Clinton then I have little hope for them going forward... not because of problems with the Green party but because I don't think much of the misinformed public who have been brainwashed into thinking they only have 2 POS parties to choose from. I had a conversation with someone. Just after I got done saying that Jill Stein was the only candidate running that I actually wanted them to win they said I was wasting my vote. Only a brainwashed sheep thinks that me voting for the only candidate I actually wanted to win would be wasting my vote. It made less than no sense to me.
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Darien regarding, "Bernie has a lot of great ideas" Yes. He does. And all his ideas poll exceptionally well with the public for good reason. Regarding, "so does rand Paul" Other than slashing the military and legalizing weed I have no idea what you are talking about here. Regarding, "I am against giving the federal government unlimited power over our lives." I don't know of anyone who wants that. I'm as far "left" as anyone I know but at the same time I want the military budget slashed, I don't my tax dollars going as subsidies to big oil, gas, and other corporations, I want the patriot act abolished, I want a small government that stays out of my bedroom among other "conservative" ideas. Ultimately I accept that we are going to have a government regardless so I want good government. But that is what we all think we want... it just means different things to different people. To me good government helps make sure everyone in the country has health insurance especially when I know that everyone in the country NEEDS it. There isn't a single person that can do without it so to me a good government makes sure its there especially when I know that when they do it will cost less, provide better service, and serve everyone. Some think that is "unlimited power." I very much disagree.
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Aitch regarding, "I don't think he could have switched to 3rd party anyway, and only got the following he did by using the Dem platform." He was absolutely correct to run as a democrat originally but after they actively worked to rig the game and it was proven from wikileaks he definitely could have run with the Green Party (Jill Stein offered him the top of the ticket) and things may have been very, very different but we will never know. Regarding, "Read WikiLeaks, vote third party, and we'll see you again soon" That's just not his style. He is determined to talk about policy and wants to run an issue oriented campaign always. It is hilarious to me that Hillary cried about him throwing mud when the opposite was obviously true. Many people are pissed that he didn't hit her harder.... there obviously was plenty for her to be attacked about. But he just wanted to talk about money in politics, single payer, raising the min wage, protecting the environment, breaking up the banks, income inequality, ect. Regarding, "Trump still would have won," I think Bernie would have won the most electoral votes but maybe not a majority. Hillary and Trump are both rightfully despised and Sanders is loved. Even people who voted for Hillary and Trump hated them most the time... they just hated their opponent more. I think that had Sanders run with Jill Stein they win. But like I said I think that should Sanders win in 2020 as a democrat that may very well be the best outcome. I could see a scenario where if Sanders wins in 2016 the establishment lets him get nothing done while in power and then after he is gone we go back to business as usual. Again should he win as a democrat he might be able to turn that pile of shit party into something useful again. I don't see the US having more than 2 major parties anytime soon and we really need at least one of them to not suck for once. Regarding, "3rd party got his bump the Dems would have had their arms twisted to take on some actual policies" They lost to Trump and they are still not going to really change. You can see the corportists fight it. They are happier to lose to Trump than let a progressive win who might upset the system that feeds them. Even supporting medicare for all is only being done for political reasons. I think the only way that party really changes is if Sanders is able to take the reigns and force them to ban corporate contributions for example. Then all of a sudden we would have a party that might care about the people instead of their big money donors. I think we have very similar ideas about what we want. Thanks for the conversation about how we might make it happen even if we disagree on some things. Sorry if I seem like a Bernie apologist. I fucking love him despite him not being perfect. He is about the only politician of power that I think is in it for the right reasons and this country desperately needs change. That is what Obama was able to win on... Change. Sadly we didn't get it and the public was willing to elect a known complete POS like Trump just because they couldn't say for sure how he might govern since he never has.
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I guess we should just quit then. That's what Jesus would do.
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