Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "NBC News Scaremongers Peace Talks With North Korea" video.

  1. Stash regarding, "I would be interested in how a meeting would cause things to escalate" One or both of them say something stupid and those stupid things are used to justify full scale war. Regarding, "Obama taking a radacle departure from 50 years of failed policies with Cuba was likely a great move." Yes I agree but I think those situations to be completely different. Cuba, even thou it is strategically much more scary than NK is not considered to be nearly the threat NK is specifically because of nuclear weapons. And as much as I can't stand Obama and could talk plenty of shit about him the fact of the matter is that I do not consider him to have been unstable the way I consider Trump to be. Regarding, "MSM position that both DT and Kim are mentally unstable" Look... the corporate media is a fucking joke but I share the opinion that both of those clowns are mentally unstable. They both have insulated themselves with sycophants. Both are used to be the biggest swinging dick in the room and I fear a meeting of those 2 ending badly. I'll happily be wrong if they meet but I think you are overestimating both of those fucks if you think either of them are anything other than crazy. Regarding, "NK is not a direct threat" They DEFINITELY are not. Regarding, "far larger geopolitical and economic strategy." Maybe so but that is not a good enough reason for full scale war with a country. I'm fucking tired of imperialism and the MIC running things. Regarding, "parrot the MSM talking points, failing to develop indenpend thinking." Dude... fuck the MSM. They suck balls. But should anything go wrong with this meeting... and I think there is good reason to think something will, then you know the MSM will be be all over war and pushing for it. If Un says anything that can be used to justify war THEY WILL USE IT. You lose me with the last points you are trying to make. I'll be happy to eat crow if these meeting happens and goes well. It's just that I think the MIC is looking for a new war to justify the new money they are getting. I see us export bombs labeled freedom to NK. And I see this meeting giving them an excuse to do so. Again... I really hope to be wrong. I am so fucking sick of war.
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  2. I hope Kim will negotiate. The problem is that, if he doesn't, I could see this meeting causing the situation to escalate. I believe in diplomacy. This is the type of thing that I would normally be wholeheartedly in favor of. That said I do not trust Un or Trump to act logically. Both of them are all about trying to prove how big their dicks are and think this can easily get out of hand. As much as the situation is shitty at the moment at least we are not currently at war and I am tired as fuck with war. Those two are so mentally unstable I wouldn't be surprised if Trump not being able to shake hands like a normal person leads to war. I hope it goes well assuming it actually happens. To me there is no reason to be starting another war. As much as Un is unstable I just don't consider them a legitimate risk to the US, see no need to start to go to war, and fear this situation may give Trump and company an excuse to start another war.
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  3. Agreed. At least send someone who doesn't make up for tiny hands and tiny cheeto dick by shaking hands like a fucking psycho.
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  4. Or we go to war at the behest of the MIC.
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  5. Look, I love diplomacy. I want peace. But the fact of the matter is that there is actually peace right now. I fear this could exasperate war. I don't trust Trump and I don't trust Un. There is actually less risk of war by doing nothing than those 2 dipshits meeting in my opinion. That said I would happily be wrong if it happens and goes well. But if doesn't go well, and I think it is very logical to think it won't. Then it may very well be the excuse the MIC needs to start another unnecessary war.
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  6. Regarding, "any such meeting is a huge propaganda win." I agree with this. I personally think that is why Un would do this meeting more than anything and don't expect him to be willing to agree to much. He wins by meeting. But who knows... it is difficult to understand and anticipate people who are illogical. Regarding, "Making their regime feel more secure should improve the situation to conduct subsequent negotiation." Maybe. Regarding, "Trump and Un are both clueless dipshits, so should get on just fine." I see it turning into a competition of who has the biggest dick. Both of them are going to want to upstage the other. I do not see them getting along just fine. Regarding, "Trump’s cabinet are a bunch of personally corrupt scumbags" Yup. But regarding, "will delegate the work to people who want to achieve something useful." I wholeheartedly disagree and think that, to the administration full scale war is something that would see as "something useful." Regarding, "There isn’t any likely downside." Totally disagree. I could absolutely see full scale war resulting from this. Hopefully I'm wrong but I think fear of this is quite rational. Regarding, "Trump is a better President to have than Hillary would have been" Look. I fucking hate Hillary and I'm glad she will never be president but I would rather have her meeting Un than Trump even if not by much. But who is worse is totally fucking irrelevant at this point. Trump is president and he can't even shake hands like a normal human being for fucks sake. I suspect everything around the meeting will play out in much the same way... Trump trying to make up for tiny hands and show what a big swinging dick he is. And I fear Un is crazy enough and also has an ego big enough to foolishly give the US an excuse to wipe them off the planet. The more I talk about it the more I'm convinced this meeting is more likely to make things worse.
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  7. There is a possibility that both "claim total victory," everyone is happy and we go further away from war. But I think the possibility that one or both of them say or do something stupid, that one or both of them take insult to something the other person does, or that a corporate media takes "insult" with something said or done (disingenuously or not) and the situation becomes worse (up to and including full scale war) and not better is clearly a valid fear. If Un were smart... I have little reason to think that he is smart. That said I am going to contradict myself a bit... I do think the meeting is smart of him as long as he isn't an idiot about it. I don't think he cares about selling product or even increasing his standing in the world, I think he wants to increase his standing with his people and give them reason to think he is on equal footing in the world. Regarding, "American Monster." That is how their government has portrayed America. They have really backed themselves in a corner. I'm not saying it is impossible for them to say America is the devil while at the same time visiting with the devils president but clearly that is not going to be easy for them to do. Look, here's the thing with me. I love diplomacy. I really do. It's just that I honestly don't see a lot to gain by diplomacy with NK. I don't consider them a real threat that it is important we deal with. That said I don't want them to get nukes because, at that point they could become more of an actual threat. So I guess maybe there is something to gain. But I also think this meeting is risky. I don't want full scale war with them and do see the possibility of it as an avenue to that happening. If this meeting happens and doesn't go well the MIC and the corporate media will do anything and everything to get another war. I'm not going to pretend I can say how this is going to play out. I clearly don't. I like Dore. I agree with most things he says but, in all honesty, I thought him acting as if there wasn't a potential downside of this meeting to be rather asinine. And you seem very reasonable. I agree with essentially everything you say but I think your original comment also ignores what I think is a very real possibility of this going wrong. We both want to stop the MIC. But I think this meeting may be exactly what they need to start war. Time will tell. I hope I'm wrong and I hope you are right.
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  8. I mean seriously... as I read through the comments I think it is insane how many people don't see the real possibility of this meeting going bad and leading to full scale war. I'm not saying it definitely will happen but the notion that such a thing is impossible while America practices imperialism across the globe is fucking insane.
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  9. Even if I thought WW3 was inevitable, which I don't, everything else you say still makes no logical sense.
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  10. War right?
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  11. You really don't think full scale war is a risk?
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  12. Or something happens that makes them more able to justify another imperialist war because that is a real possibility right?
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  13. Or Un.
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  14. Except we are actually currently at peace with them even if it is hostile. I'm pretty sure the worst thing that can happen is war breaks out.... especially because I think war with them would be completely unnecessary.
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  15. I'm not interested in technicalities. I am pretty sure that the common opinion is that we are not currently at war with them... at least compared to other countries that we are not "technically" at war with but definitely are at war with. I am at least placated by a cease fire. I do not want full scale war and think those 2 meeting could give the MIC the excuse they want to end the cease fire. I mean you at least acknowledge that as a possibility right?
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  16. Regarding, "The mindset of DPRK representitves will be that a state war exists," They can think that all they want for all I care. I care about what they are doing more than what they are thinking. As long as they are not busy killing people, and currently they are not, I can live with it. Regarding, "he could screw up bigly" Yes. He could. I agree with most things Dore says but him saying, "what risks?" over and over as if things couldn't get worse when clearly they can to be really silly. I want peace to break out. It's just that I think those 2 meeting has the potential to do more harm than good. Hopefully I'm wrong if they do actually meet.
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  17. But there is peace now. I hope that was sarcasm.
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  18. I seriously am not sure what you are trying to say. Could you reword and rephrase?
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  19. Regarding, "The Korean interest is different. They want unity of their country." Is that suppose to be a NK view SK view or both? I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in their thinking but I tend to believe that NK (as in Kim Jong Un) cares most about maintaining power, increasing his standing in the world, and developing weapons for defense. But that isn't really the point. The point with me is that, as a peace loving hippie who wants peace and fears this meeting being used to start war what do you think is the best way to achieve maintained peace and thwarting the MIC? I normally advocate for diplomacy but the fact of the matter is that I don't trust the idea of those 2 meeting.
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  20. Regarding, "Look at your representatives..." I very much agree with everything you write here but that isn't exactly the question I was looking to have answered. I was asking how to stop the MIC from getting what they want specific to NK and with the current representatives. I do not want to full scale war with them. Normally I would think that diplomacy here would be wise but the fact of the matter is that I do not trust Trump and Kim meeting. I fear those 2 meeting, should it happen, being an event that leads to war and not peace. To me, although the current situation is far from perfect, the risk of them making things worse is very real. I agree with Dore about most things but I think his dismissal of that possibility to be rather silly in this video. It seemed to me your original comment echoed a similar sentiment. I desperately want peace. I'm just not convinced those 2 meeting is a good means to that end.
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