Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Another Republican Breaks With Trump Over Healthcare" video.

Bernie Sanders 2020 to reform the democratic party from the inside!
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Jimmy wanted Jill Stein and so did everyone else that is sane.
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Loppo regarding, "Jill is paid opposition" No she is not but you might be. And if you are not then you are just dumb as fuck.
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Regarding, "a compromise that everyone will be happy with for Health Care" Do you know anything about our politicians?
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Don't have children.
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Max regarding, "The DNC admittedly rig their primaries" Yes they did. Because they don't want Bernie to win. It really speaks well of his character. Regarding, "Bernie has clearly been coopted" You are being silly. You are mad he endorsed Hillary? Fine. I get that. It was a fucking endorsement. Stop acting like it was his soul. I fucking love Bernie Sanders and I voted for Jill Stein during the general because only sheep vote based on someone else's endorsement and I'm not a sheep. Regarding, "It's pointless." That is what the establishment wants you to think. They want you to quit fighting. Don't.
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As much as the "democratic" party should die I just don't see it happening anytime soon. I think our best hope is that we elect a progressive like Sanders as a dem so that he can reform the party from the inside.
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Regarding, "Can we get some regular people to run our nation" No you can not. Sincerely, the establishment and oligarchy.
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BULLSHIT!. They also want war, less regulations, corporate welfare, money in politics...
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water regarding, "Fuk the DNC" The DNC is a joke but they are not going anywhere. The best plan is to take over the party and change it. Regarding, "If he doesn't run as an independent I won't vote for him." You care way too much about a letter after a person's name and too little about the person.
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Regarding, "Obamacare is not good." No. It is not. I do not think that is his position. I believe that his position is that the ACA was an improvement upon what we had, which is it was. And that Trump is going the wrong direction and making things worse, which he is. That said you can also make an accurate case that it was a net loss because it slowed the progress to an actual good system like single payer for all but that is a different discussion. Again, the ACA sucks... but still that isn't a good reason to go the wrong way... like Trump is trying to do.
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Please do try to build other parties but don't dismiss good people like Sanders just because they run as a democrat.
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Andre regarding, "i wish this would happen, but it will never happen" I think you are very wrong. I think Sanders winning in 2020 is inevitable as long as he is healthy. Of course the DNC and the establishment are going to do everything they can to stop him but the game has changed and their efforts are going to fail imo. In 2016 Sanders entered the race completely unknown and only "lost" to Hillary because of their shenanigans. Now he has name recognition like no other (which is waaaayyyy more important in our society than it should be) and he is the most popular politician in the country. Please let him stay healthy and he will win.
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jb regarding, "I mean regular honest people" Don't get me wrong, I wish we could as well obviously. It's just that I'm a cynic.
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John regarding, "many cannot afford it that work." Again you are not comparing it to what was before. Less people could afford health insurance before it was implemented. Millions more people have health insurance after it. Regarding, "It's a bad law" Yes. It is. We agree on this. But it IS better than what was before it. Regarding, "we shouldn't defend it" I'm not defending it. I'm telling you it sucks. But you shouldn't be defending making things worse which is what you seem to be doing. Regarding, "I don't believe that Obamacare is what we should be fighting for" I'm not fighting for it.... just pointing out that Trump is making things worse. That said there is a part of me that is glad he is doing this and making things worse because there is part of me that thinks him do so accelerates us getting single payer. That said Republicans control all of government and single payer isn't happening anytime and in the meantime I'd prefer if we didn't make things worse... again, like Trump is doing.
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John regarding, "hasn't presented a plan." Not an overarching plan like the ACA but a plan as in what he is doing to gut the ACA. That is his plan. Regarding, "The Republican party presented multiple plans all of which even they could not agree on or get passed." Yup. And Trump is taking it upon himself to gut the ACA with executive power effectively doing what the party was unwilling or too incompetent to do on their own. Regarding, "Why do you think the insurance companies are still contributing to Democrats in congress and Republicans? It is so they won't change anything." You are demonstrating why they ARE CHANGING THINGS... for the worse.
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Regarding, "my opinion is based on..." Try to remember that primary voters are going to have some say. Regarding, "i don't believe the dems represent the way forward" I was all about 3rd party going into the last general. I happily voted for Jill Stein but I concede I'm demoralized at that path after their showing. If she couldn't do better against 2 of the most despised politicians, make that 2 of the most despised humans I am not optimistic about that plan going forward. Don't get me wrong, I will vote for them again if there is nothing but Trump and a corporate stooge again in 2020 but that is plan B and I think it should be for everyone else as well.
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It's the only place we know America won't bomb.
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WeLikeIt, dude, I'm just trying to make a joke in sad times.
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You are not smart.
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Magoo regarding, "Less money in politics? Since when?" Since never. Go back and read what I wrote. I'm not defending Republicans, I'm insulting them. I'm saying that not only do they want tax cuts for the rich but they also want war, less regulations (like gutting the EPA), corporate welfare (like bank bailouts), money IN politics, and all sorts of other things that suck for the country.
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Maxfield regarding, "How thick do you have to be to keep voting within a system that is demonstrably and legally rigged" What are you proposing? I throw my hands up and give in without a fight? That is what the establishment wants and I'm not going to let them win without fighting and without voting. Regarding, "How blind do you have to be to ignore all of the dumb and inexcusable shit Sanders has done since July last year" This is they type of thing that requires you give examples rather than vague smears. Regarding, "The establishment wants you to keep wasting your time and money on this completely pointless charade you think is democracy." Not nearly as much as they want us to quit... like you are advocating for. Regarding, "Your votes are being electronically rigged, and your money is going to controlled sheepdog candidates." You can't even give intellectually consistent thoughts. If you think Sanders is just a controlled sheepdog then why would they need to rig votes against him?
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Maxfield regarding, "coopted candidates" You really think Sanders is "co opted?" The guy they smear. The guy they blame for Hillary losing. The guy who is forcing them to take a position on medicare for all. The guy that is the reason they need to rig the primary. You are a fool. There is no one more responsible for people being woke to how corrupt our government and the "democratic" party is than him. He has fought his entire life for progressive issues. The establishment appreciates you smearing him as being co opted and thank you for doing their dirty work for them. Regarding, "demonstrably rigged game." Yup. It is rigged. Sanders is the best hope we have for leveling the playing field if that is important to you. Regarding, "You are not fighting for shiz doing that." So you are then by bitching and smearing the guy fighting for you? Again the establishment appreciates your foolishness. Regarding, "What you are doing is wasting time and effort by participating in theater, and believing it is real." Let's say I agree with you... and I don't. What do you propose? What are you doing? Other than telling me how foolish I am for fighting for what I believe in? Regarding, "Keeping your mind in this little box is exactly what the powers that be want." WTF are you talking about? Is that why I get attacked constantly for my beliefs by the establishment? Regarding, "There are many other ways you can resist." This is the type of statement I expect from our politicians. Absolutely nothing specific. Just vague garbage to try and attack my position. Regarding, "No meaningful change is ever going to come about because you voted for the right person." Whatever you got to tell yourself to justify your idiotic decision not to vote.
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Max regarding, "The same Bernie Sanders who stayed silent while obvious election fraud took place," Here is something I don't think you understand about Sanders. He wants to talk about policy. Always. That is his thing. I don't think he would talk about anything else if he could. I'm sorry he is not doing exactly what you want to do but even you should realize there isn't jack fucking shit he could do about it. That is what lawyers are for. Sanders saying anything about this is only perceived as whining and I don't know if you know much about Americans but they fucking hate anyone who is being perceived as being a whiner even if their whining is justified. Even Hillary Clinton supporters had an impossible time justifying her whining in her latest book. The only thing that he could have done is say something but what would that have really accomplished? It would have made you feel all rosy inside. It may have woken a handful of people but be real... if they are not woke to it already they are not likely to be woke anytime soon. And what would it have cost? A fucking shit ton. Again Americans don't like whiners and he would have lost support especially when the entire establishment comes gunning for him on that. He loses his ability to address what he really cares about... POLICY. Again you are totally fucking inconsistent with your thinking. On one hand he is a co opted and on the other hand the system is being rigged against him. If he is just one of them then why the fuck do they rig it against him. It makes no fucking sense. Regarding, "and later endorsed the perpetrator of the crime" Again you are talking about a fucking endorsement and acting like it is his soul. I very much disagreed with Sanders at the time but I understood why he did what he did. He sided with the lesser of two evils. He fulfilled his promise to endorse the democratic nominee that he made when he entered the race. HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE BLAMED FOR TRUMP WINNING! And can you really blame him for that? Not only is he a terrible human being like Clinton but Trump is also straight up OFFENSIVE. I sure as fuck wouldn't want to be blamed for him winning. Fuck he endorsed her and they STILL blame him. Imagine how much easier it would have been had he not endorsed her. And because he did Hillary and the corporate dems only embarrass themselves and make themselves look bad when they try to blame him. Regarding, "he publicly dismissed the idea that the primaries were rigged" Again you bitch about things that, even if he did them, WOULD CHANGE FUCKING NOTHING. Well nothing other than making you cum and hurting his chances at doing the things he wants to do to help the people of this country. Regarding, "The same Bernie who formed a covert "non-aggression pact" with Hillary prior to the primaries." Do you have any idea who Sanders is? You say this shit like it is unthinkable and out of character of him. Sanders is all about policy. Sanders desperately wants to win elections on ideas, not by attacking his opponents. Some people, like me, really like that about him. If you want someone who will say or do anything to win then I would think you would love Hillary. It's not like her signing that meant anything. Regarding, "The same Bernie who urged voters not to vote third party in the general." You know he endorsed Hillary because you cry about it constantly so why is this really so fucking surprising and offensive. How fucking stupid would be if he said, "vote for Hillary Clinton! Or third parties, whatever." Would that make any fucking sense what-so-ever? Obviously not so stop acting silly. Regarding, "The same Bernie who shunned Jill Stein's repeated attempts at collaboration, or at the very least, open discussion." I'm sorry he doesn't live his life exactly how you wish. He isn't perfect. He doesn't walk on water. But the decisions he has made have rightfully made him the most popular politician in the country. The decisions he has made have put him in the best position possible to bring about the progressive change this country rightfully deserves. I voted for Jill Stein but Sanders didn't owe her jack fucking shit if he didn't want to. Regarding, "The same Bernie who ignored Tim Canova's campaign against DWS, who then lost as a result." I wish Sanders would have done more. I honestly don't know for sure why he didn't. Maybe he was just tired as fuck after running an incredibly long campaign of his own. But blaming him for Canova losing is fucking idiotic. You sound like a Hillary supporter blaming Bernie for her loss. Regarding, "The same Bernie who is now actively perpetuating the "Russian's hacked the election" lie." Who says it is a lie? You? The CIA, this nation's spy agency, says they did. Do I believe them? Not exactly. But accusing the CIA of lying is opening an entirely new can of worms that Bernie is wise to avoid. Again doing something like doesn't change jack fucking shit other than making you feel good and hurting Sanders chances of affecting policy. I would like to add that, although I am skeptical of the CIAs reports, I ABSOLUTELY believe the Russians meddled in our elections. I assume they did before any reports just like I assume the US meddles in everyone else's elections without any reports. If you think they don't fuck with us at all then I think you are being a fool. Regarding, "The same Bernie who went on tour with Tom Perez to encourage more people to vote democrat." You mean that tour that allowed Sanders to get his message out including talking about medicare for all for example? That tour that only made corporate dems look bad? Yeah, that is something to cry about (that is sarcasm in case you can't tell). Regarding, "The same Bernie who's wife said on live TV that the media had treated them fairly during the primaries." Yeah, if only Bernie's wife had broken down and cried about how unfairly they had been treated everything would have been different. Again that is sarcasm in case you can't tell. Stop acting so fucking foolish. Try to focus on getting change where you can get it instead of focusing on the battles that are best left not fought. I don't need Sanders and his wife to tell me they got fucked over to know it. Do you? Do you think the people that like to claim it was fair are going to suddenly change their because Sanders wife says so? Of course not. Stop acting like it would change anything. Regarding, "The same Bernie who also refused to be "drafted" into a new third party." I agree with him. Let's say Sanders did and won the presidency (even thou he would need a majority of electoral votes and not just the most, even thou he would risk splitting left leaning voters), let's say he did. Do you think he would be able to accomplish much? Of course not. He would be opposed by both major parties and then after he is gone they go back to business as usual and nothing changes. Let's say Sanders runs and wins as a democrat. He could unilaterally enact party reforms such as banning them from accepting their legalized bribes and others. Then all of a sudden we might have a major party that is incentivized to care about their voters instead of their big money donors. Oh and congressional democrats would be more willing to help him make the changes this country so desperately deserves. If you care about getting vengeance on the party more than you care about getting things done for the country so be it but you are being shortsighted. Regarding, "if you think voting Democrat = fighting" I vote for good people. People who believe in the policies I do and have a plan to get them done and I honestly don't give a flying fuck about their party label. Only sheep think labels are so fucking important. Democrats, Republicans and you all think way too much about that label.
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Grant regarding, "How can any CARE be good when it is written by insurance care." The ACA is far from "good," but it is BETTER than what we had before. Millions more people had insurance who didn't have it before. Preexisting conditions were gone. The rate at which prices were going up slowed. Kids could stay on their parents plans longer. People were guaranteed a certain amount of coverage as garbage plans were done away with. Do you dispute and of these facts? Do you really think the system was better before all this? Could it better? Of course. But it did make things better. Regarding, "Insurance companies spent $396 million lobbying for the ACA" They loved it because they were able to make lots more money but that doesn't mean it didn't also help the people in all the ways I already pointed out and more. Again there are all sorts of problems with the bill but if you don't think we can't make things worse then you are being silly. Things can absolutely be worse... like they were before it, and like they will be after Trump gets done doing what he is doing.
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John regarding, "the ACA is garbage." We don't disagree on this but I have one simple question for you. Do you think things were better or worse before it and why?
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Regarding, "As for what you said about it keeping rates down, that is just untrue." That is not what I said. I said, "The rate at which prices were going up slowed." That means that rates are going up. They are just going up at a slower pace than they were before. This isn't something that is happening in a vacuum. It is being compared to what was going on before it. And before the ACA prices were skyrocketing at completely unsustainable rates. After the ACA prices were increasing but at a slower rate (arguably still unsustainable but again... it was better). Regarding, "You seek to put a band aid on a gangrened hand." It's not what I would be seeking out like I never sought out the ACA... but if nothing else I think I'd want that band-aid and the ACA is better. Regarding, "I am tired if being sold garbage and told how great it is." Do you really get the impression from any of my comments that I think the ACA is great? The bottom line is that if I'm given the choice between 2 shit sandwiches to eat I'm going to chose the one that doesn't smell quite as bad. And I'm a guy that loves voting outside the 2 major parties and rejects the lesser of 2 evils argument.... but that is only when there actually are other options. There is no single payer that I can vote for currently. I have to pick whether or not I want the ACA or the system before it and the ACA, although complete fucking dogshit, is better.
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John regarding, "If you were..." There are going to be winners and losers with every law. I can't think of a single law that everyone is going to agree on or that would be good for everyone. And I'm not trying to ask about you or your family personally. I'm asking as a net plus or minus. On the whole. When everything and everyone is considered. Was the country better with it or without it? I think, although it sucked and should have been something very different, it was a net gain and the country was better off with it than we were without it. Regarding, "I ask again, what happens when we lose the number one job in the United States?" We will be forced to adapt. Hopefully there will be other jobs in other industries to replace the ones lost. Regarding, "Will they pick up insurance without an income?" It is pretty difficult for anyone to do much of anything without an income. But it is not as if this is being made worse by the ACA even if it isn't helping. I'd love for there to be single payer and for health care to be considered a right but that isn't going to be happening at the moment when you look at who controls the government. Regarding, "fraud and duplicitous." I like to call it a blowjob to the private, fuck in the ass, look for any reason to not give you health care if our CEOs can make more money to buy a bigger yacht health insurance industry. But it, pathetically, was an improvement upon what we had before it in my opinion.
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John regarding, "I answered yes for some no for others and you agree." Kinda. Yes for some and no for others is accurate for every bill. I ultimately decide that, on the whole, after everything is considered, we are better with it than without it. (even thou it sucks) Regarding, "Your second paragraph saying you hope they will find other jobs is naïve at best." I'm not claiming to have all the answers especially on such a difficult question. Society has found a way to adapt throughout history. Jobs and industries die off and are replaced by new ones generally but future automation could change things in ways I can't even imagine. I would like for everyone who wants to work to be able to find a job but again, I'm not going to pretend I have a good answer for you. I don't. Regarding, "You will see a steady decline in the number of people with health insurance as we continue to destroy jobs." I can't imagine single payer not happening in the future to help address this problem but it just isn't going to happen this second. Regarding, "Bilderberg Group" Had never heard of them. Looking at it on wiki now. Fascinating in a Dr. Evil kinda way. Regarding, "it gives the false illusion that more will have insurance in the future, they will not." I think there is a great argument to be made that the country would be better without it because it would speed up a single payer system but hasn't been the discussion I've been trying to have and consider this line of reasoning separate.
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John regarding, "truth is you don't get to vote on it at all" That was not how I meant it. I was just trying to say that single payer isn't going to be happening at the moment so I wasn't being considered in the thought experiment of what is better, having the ACA or before the ACA. Regarding, "Glass Stiegel or is against universal healthcare, retirements and believes in having more wars." Good list but I think you missed the most important litmus test of getting money out of politics. To me that is the one problem that causes all the others. Regarding, "You apparently feel the choices you think you are given are real choices," I carry an awful lot of skepticism when it comes to our politicians and our government but I'm going to keep fighting for the politicians and policies I believe in. Regarding, "I do not." So what does that mean for you? Is that like saying you have given up hope?
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Regarding, "what happens when we live in a world where we only need a couple million people to monitor and run the machines?" Like I said I definitely see automation being a problem society will face in the future and do not pretend to have any idea of all the problems that will come with it. Much less the solutions. Regarding, "the Bilderberg Group" I feel like I had heard the name before but that was about it. Regarding, "I recommend you go to the actual Bilderberg website" I did and I looked at their attendance list. I didn't recognize most of the names but the names of the people I did recognize were not people I care for. Regarding, "go Alex Jones on yourself." The closest I've ever done to this is thinking that 9-11 was an inside job. I still have questions but in all honesty I try not to go there. That said I'd be curious if you have any thoughts on this. Regarding, "This game is rigged" That much is obvious. To what degree it is rigged is much harder to figure out. Regarding, "the problem is that the average person isn't part of the conversation about what to do about what is coming." Ignorance is bliss I'm told. Sometimes I think I'd be happier if I knew less. Regarding, "my blog" I look forward to checking that out later. I've very much enjoyed our conversation and I thank you for your time. I can be very abrasive on occasion on these forums and if I've ever rubbed you the wrong way I apologize for it.
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Trian regarding, "They won't let him run as a Dem" Yes. They will. There is no reason for you to think this. Regarding, "so he would have to run in a 3rd party" They absolutely do not want him to run as a 3rd party candidate because they know that splits left leaning thinkers and ensures them losing. Regarding, "If Bernie did that, I would vote for him, but I'm not voting (D)" So you would vote for Bernie but only if he runs as an independent? Way too many people care about party labels and not nearly enough about people. Vote for good people... regardless of party label or you are no better than the sheep who only vote because of a party label. Regarding, "They can't be trusted." The "democratic" party is shit. That is why we need to support Sanders so he can change them.
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Trian regarding, "Dem primary voters mean nothing" Of course they do. You sound silly. Regarding, "with superdelegates in charge" Superdelegates are not in charge. They are only a small percentage of all delegates and there are less of then since last election... because of Sanders. Regarding, "The elite Republicrats choose their own private candidate. They said so, in court." They said they could if they choose to in court... and they are correct. But they don't. They have a primary. When you distort shit you are no better than the DNC.
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Trian regarding, "why aren't masses of disenfranchised voters joining them" The masses are sheep.
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Tim, no problem. I'm happy someone enjoyed it. You gotta make the occasional joke about what is going on for sanity sake.
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frederik, yeah, I get it. I used to be proud to be an American. Now I'm embarrassed and ashamed.
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