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Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Andrew Yang Smeared by POLITICO In Transparent Hit Piece." video.

I'm confident it doesn't.
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The first thing yang wanted to do to pay for UBI is by dismantling the social safety net. That's regressive as hell when it should be paid for by the super rich.
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@alphach1mp "You be wrong." Wow. Saying all you need to know about yang is that he got an endorsement is as shallow as saying all you need to know about yang is the color of his skin. Stop being an idiot. MLK would be appalled by this type of stupidity.
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@schloops8473 Regarding, "that's a lie" Nope. You are lying. Right here on youtube, "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" When asked how are you going to pay for UBI the first thing yang says is that he would gut the current social safety net to pay for it.
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@schloops8473 "that's a lie. A complete fabrication." This is what you are doing. Sorry not sorry if the truth hurts.
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@bidoof4938 "willing to compromise and incorporate non-progressive ideas" Sorry not sorry for having standards and principles that yang doesn't even come close to reaching. You want to blame us for not liking the things your clown is doing? I don't care.
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@peasant7214 "so jimmy dore is also confused about it?" Nope. He gets it. That's why he understands yang isn't good. Regarding, "I still dont see anyone who mentioned how Yang plans to pay for it though." Maybe go listen to yang himself. I recommend a video right here on youtube titled, "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" When asked how he would pay for it the first thing he offers is by gutting the current social safety net. That's how he wants to pay for UBI when any actual progressive would insist it only be put on top of the current system and paid for by the super rich and not by people on food stamps.
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Except they aren't. Did they lie about something? Oh wait they didn't.
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Smears are lies. Aaron never said anything that wasn't true about your clown.
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@coolcorey13755 Some clearly do. Have you seen his simp army here?
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He's doing all the wrong things. Literally the only thing that he is good on is UBI and even that is as bad is at can get coming from him as he wants to pay for it regressively as hell.
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You don't "got it."
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@Who_dey Gotwins I'm not a biden supporter and this isn't about biden but don't let that stop you from deflecting from your clown to talk about them. It's exactly what biden and trump supporters do when the topic is one of their clowns.
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yes
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You say that like Aaron can't stand him because of his identity. It has everything to do with the fact that yang is a liar and conman.
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@MrTorbz Yang lied about supporting M4A while running for POTUS. Do you really need me to prove it? The info about it is there if you want to see for yourself.
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@MrTorbz Regarding, "Wasn't really a lie though" Of course it was. He said he supported m4a and then when he came out with a health care proposal it wasn't m4a. He fucking lied. Don't defend liars. It's what trump and biden supporters do for their clowns. Be better than that.
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@MrTorbz "It just wasn't Bernie's M4A," It wasn't m4a. Period. Not even the most generous definitions of m4a could be used to describe what he proposed. He fucking lied.
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@smitty6480 "I really don't understand how people are getting confused by basic english." Pretty funning considering the rest of your comment. Regarding, "He said that paying unconditional income would help people need welfare less" Pretty sure the people already getting welfare are the people that need the most help. But yang wants to give them the least help to no help. If you already get the equivalent of his UBI then you get NOTHING from him. You just trade in the benefits you have for UBI. And since he doesn't want to change anything else about the system all that money will just funnel to the top like it does now.
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@schloops8473 LOL Your comment is what you say when you have nothing intelligent and of substance to offer.
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@peasant7214 Got it. I'm just very used to getting attacked when the topic is yang. Yang scares the shit out of me. I think he is a great conman and look how far a terrible conman like trump and biden are able to get.
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@w.iraheta3769 Regarding, "Raising the minimum wage and a FJG would also in theory gut the social safety net which was a key Bernie Sanders policy." Yeah.... the good way. That "gutting" would happen organically as a natural result of good policy. It wouldn't be the starting point to help pay for an actual UBI. Think about UBI means. It means UNIVERSAL basic income. That means it should be helping EVERYONE. Millionaires would get a check and benefit from Yangs UBI. Billionaires would get a check and benefit from yangs UBI. But if you are the poorest of the poor who receives more than yangs UBI offers then you gain NOTHING. It's not universal to you. It's worthless to you while billionaires get a check. Regarding, "A UBI would be one of the biggest if not the biggest social welfare reform in history helping millions of people out of poverty." Not the way yang wants to do it. Yang's version of UBI means he bribes you and in exchange he gets to gut the entire social safety net and he offers ZERO systemic change on top of UBI. He lies about supporting m4a. UBI is it. It's all he has. And you aren't willing to change the current system then all that UBI money will funnel to the top just like now making the rich even richer at incredible rates. A good UBI means it's paid for only by the rich and is put on top of the current system. It also isn't can't be just a bribe to keep the current shit system. We still need universal health care to raise the minimum wage, and more. I support UBI but I can't stand yang. Those ideas can and do coexist.
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@winstonz That's his story as of now at least according to him... the same guy who lied about supporting m4a. Who when asked the question has also first answered that he would gut the current social safety net, until he realized that pissed people off.
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@winstonz Regarding, "u sound like you like the current system." Because I keep criticizing yang for not wanting to change it in any sort of meaningful way outside of UBI? And that makes sense to you? Regarding, "At least you got what you want if that's the case." It's not what I want. But don't let that stop you from pretending like it's something I want in lieu of addressing something I've actually said. It's very intellectually dishonest of you and known as strawmanning.
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@winstonz I'm not willing to take a small bribe in exchange for real fundamental systemic change that would include things like: universal health care, a living wage, a PROGRESSIVE UBI, and more. I despise the current system. Yang seems pretty happy with it for the most part. He just wants his regressively paid UBI.
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@w.iraheta3769 ""Those ideas can and do co-exist” what do you mean by that." When I said that it was to mean that lots of people act like liking yang and like UBI are linked. They are not. I like UBI but I do not like yang. Those are the ideas that coexist for me. "The opt-in option makes it an natural transition not a forced one." Acting like this is an option is asinine. Letting people "pick" between getting 200 dollars in benefits and 1K in benefit is not a choice. The decision is being made for them. The billions and billions of dollars that yang proposes to gut from the current social safety net is not a "choice." It's silly to act like it is and like this is an "opt-in OPTION." " It’s up to the individual who is receiving certain welfare benefits" I find myself imagining that if the topic was cashiers asking, "do you want to pay more for that?" with every item scanned you would say the same silly things. That you would pretend like this is a real "choice" for consumers. That it is "up to the individual." This is not actually what real choice looks like. "for the rest of their lives" LMFAO. This is not suppose to be a lifetime commitment. Not that it really matters. What does matter is that if you are currently receiving any benefits from the government that is less than 1K a month you will be the first person to pay for yangs ubi with that money even thou you are already one of the poorest of the poor and in the greatest need of extra money when a good UBI would be paid for by the rich and only by the rich.
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@milesobrien2694 Yes.
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@milesobrien2694 Regarding, "The extremes don't ever represent the majority." Jimmy's number one issue is m4a. That's not the extreme. It's what the entire world has and what the public wants. Regarding, "Mate and Jimmy preach to the same echo chamber claiming that only their picks are the true opinions. Get it?" They don't. This is. Just. Like. Your opinion. Man. Regarding, "OPINIONS are not facts." Thanks captain obvious. Do they ever say otherwise? Or are you just strawmanning the shit out of anything they would actually say.
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@milesobrien2694 "It's too easy to be duped and deluded into thinking you live in a binary world." Some things actually are. There is right and wrong side to be on topics such as kids in cages, torture, and offensive war. Sadly it's too easy to dupe people into thinking some things, like topics like those, are not binary. I have litmus tests. It's another way of saying I have standards. You should too.
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@milesobrien2694 "You can't even define "M4A"." Universal health care. It's like I can. Regarding, "A litmus test is not a standard for morality." So let's say I had a litmus test of "I don't vote for murderers" that wouldn't be a "standard for morality." Um... what? "Groupthink, mouthing slogans and claiming your way is the only correct way is demagoguery." I'm pretty sure actual groupthink would mindlessly embrace yang. Is saying "UBI" over and over a "slogan?" Or what do you even mean by "slogan?" I'll ask before assuming you can't define it. "It's America's largest export." Pretty sure it's the bombs. Something we are against. Sorry not sorry if that triggers you.
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Not really. I assume politicians are POS. And yang has done more than that to prove to me he sucks.
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LMFAO FYI I still can't stand andrew yang and your bullshit only makes me despise him more.
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As jimmy says yang wants to pay for UBI regressively, like for example, by dismantling the current social safety net.
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@schloops8473 Regarding, " they attack the most progressive policy" I love UBI. This isn't about UBI. We are talking about yang and HIS problems. Maybe don't deflect like this. Regarding, "pretend he wants to "dismantling the current social safety net"" Tell you what... I'll go and find the first interview I ever saw with him. It was shortly after he announced his candidacy for presidency. When asked how he would pay for the UBI the very first thing he mentions is all the money we spend on a social safety net and his plan to pay for UBI was by gutting it. I'm not pretending shit.
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@jamesjones7397 Yang gives you the choice of picking between the current system and UBI. That will gut the current system. A true progressive would be putting UBI on top of the current system.
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@schloops8473 I tried to post the link but youtube doesn't like that apparently. Right here on youtube there is a video titled, "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" from Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs. It's only 7 minutes and it has yang telling you himself about how he plans to gut the current social safety net to pay for UBI.
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@schloops8473 You are impossible to take seriously. I shouldn't be surprised you are fooled by the conman.
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@redneckscumbags4422 " i saw that interview with ben shapiro" I'm not talking about an interview with ben shapiro and I'm well aware that is talking points have "evolved" but he has said that he wants to dismantle the current social safety net to pay for UBI. "he said there is less needy for the current programs" So the people on the bottom who already need help from the government are going to get no help to the least amount of help in the form of his UBI. That's why he sucks.
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@cjcholbert "a big Yang supporter" Think long and hard about it. Yang seems just like any other neoliberal when it comes to war. He lied about supporting m4a while running for potus. He wants to pay for UBI as regressively as possible. He sucks as far as I'm concerned. My opinion is that he wants to bribe everyone to keep the current shit system just like it is. And if you aren't willing to change the current system in addition to a UBI then all that UBI is going to just funnel to the top like it does now.
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@redneckscumbags4422 "i've never heard him say he's gonna dismantle social safety nets to pay for UBI." Did you even listen to the interview I referenced? Where the first thing he says he will use to pay for UBI is the all the money we are currently spending on the social safety net? Regarding, "everytime it's some nitpicking cynical interpretation of his comments" Talking to yanggang is very much like talking to hillary's correct the record troll army.
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@redneckscumbags4422 "it's pure cynical conspiracy lunacy" Gaslighting with BS like this much?
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@redneckscumbags4422 Regarding, "you didn't reference any interview." I did. This is copy and pasted. "Right here on youtube there is a video titled, "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" from Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs. It's only 7 minutes and it has yang telling you himself about how he plans to gut the current social safety net to pay for UBI."" So why are you lying?
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@redneckscumbags4422 Regarding, "you can have a choice whether to keep your social program or take the UBI" LMFAO. Yeah. So the entire social safety net is being used to pay for UBI. Literally all of it. Do you get 100 a month? It's gone. You trade it for UBI. Do you get more than yang is going to give for UBI? Yippie you. You can keep what you have but you gain jack shit making UBI completely worthless to you even though you are the person who is likely in most need of it. A person who isn't gutting the social safety net to pay for UBI doesn't take literally all the money meant for that social safety net to pay for his UBI. You are either willfully obtuse or paid to obfuscate and lie. I suspect you are a paid shill. All that money he says he's going to use to pay for UBI... that was all the money that USED to pay for a social safety net. But he plans to gut it. Literally all of it. All of the money that was is now gone. No matter how much you want to lie.
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@redneckscumbags4422 "why are YOU lying? I'm at 1:45 ..of that video," You mean you were lying about me not posting a source then. Thanks for clearing up who is the liar.
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@redneckscumbags4422 Right before that timestamp you speak of he tells you that literally all the money that is currently used for a social safety net is whipped out and gutted to pay for UBI.
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@redneckscumbags4422 "you're obviously intentionally disingenuous at this point." You were lying about me providing an interview and you are lying about yang gutting the social safety net. "he was saying we're already paying millions for social safety nets" Yup. And he was saying how he would gut them to pay for UBI. Regarding, "they are not double dipping" You are gutting the social safety net to pay for UBI. UBI should be helping everyone. But what you call "double dipping" means the people on the bottom loss everything the social net had to offer them. It's gone. Instead they get UBI and only UBI because you just gutting what is the social safety net. Regarding, "so that savings" That "savings" is what used to be the social safety net. That was the money that used to pay for it. Unless yang has his way and it would be gone. It is the most regressive way possible to pay for UBI.
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@redneckscumbags4422 "You're obviously a paid DNC operative..or someone who works for TYT, majority report thanks" LMFAO Projection much? At least you are kind enough to admit you were lying about me not providing a source. Not that you are intellectually honest enough to admit. I'm a jimmy dore fan. And jimmy rightfully knows yang sucks.
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@redneckscumbags4422 Regarding, "you only provided me a link after I asked you to" LMFAO. You suck so much it's almost impressive somehow. You hadn't even joined the thread and I cited it.
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@redneckscumbags4422 "how much are you getting paid by the DNC?" Fuck the DNC. How much are you paid to shill for yang?
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@redneckscumbags4422 Full disclosure I concede you might not be a paid shill for yang. I don't rule out the possibility that you are just a useful idiot for your favorite snake oil salesman.
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@redneckscumbags4422 Regarding, "so nothing to say about "gutting" welfare?" I've gone over repeatedly how all the money used to pay for the social safety net is gone. You being a moron doesn't mean I haven't said anything on the topic just like you saying I hadn't provided a source was just you lying. Why I am talking to you at all at this point is a mystery.
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@redneckscumbags4422 Regarding, "i've already refuted your bogus claim." LMFAO. Think whatever stupid shit you want at this point but it would be nice if you weren't trying to make everyone as dumb as you are. Regarding, "The money for social safety net isn't gone," LMFAO. It is. That's how yang plans to help pay for UBI according to him. Regarding, "it's no longer needed by ppl who are getting more from UBI" By this "logic" UBI isn't needed by anyone. It's suppose to be universal. That's the U part in UBI. But if you already get more than UBI from the government it's not universal to you. It's NOTHING to you. They are the poorest of the poor who are already getting help from the government. But they are the ones who don't need extra? You suck so much.
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@redneckscumbags4422 Speaking of people who don't need UBI, millionaires and billionaires would benefit from yang's ubi but if you are the poorest of the poor who is already getting help from the government you very well might gain NOTHING because yang guts the social safety net to pay for UBI. All the money that was going to pay for a social safety net is gone. That's what gutted means. There's no more money there. It's gone. Yang told you were it went. He could pay for UBI on the backs of rich people. But instead he is paying for it on the backs of the poorest of the poor and by gutting the social safety net no matter how much you lie.
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@redneckscumbags4422 "You're an obvious DNC paid LIAR at this point." Projection 101. I can't keep wasting time addressing your bullshit. I'm not paid to be here.
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"you hate him? You can't stand him?" He isn't the only one. What makes him scary is that he is a far better conman than the donald trumps of this world.
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@BobbyU808 Regarding, "I refuse to demonize any of them." You don't demonize POS lying politicians? Why not? Regarding, "the establishment wants me to do in order to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of against them." I agree with this. I my insult is calling yang a "clown." I'm not calling you a clown even if you support him. I do think supporting him is very misguided. Regarding, "Peace." Speaking of peace that's an area that makes me skeptical of yang... his positions on war and peace. What aaron and jimmy are doing is honorable. They are defending someone they don't like based on principles. It's nothing like what political hacks like politico do. Hack only care about a person team. People of virtue can set party politics aside like this to address the specific issue.
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@BobbyU808 Regarding, "I don’t demonize people because that is part of the establishment’s strategy to censor us." I don't demonize people either. Do you think I did that to you? I didn't. Even if I were to say something like you are "stupid" or the like that still isn't a demonization. I call myself stupid when it comes to many things. "demonizing" is about intent. About being innately evil. Dumb isn't that even when I do say that about people. "Politicians are different. I will call politicians out if I think they are wrong" Which is pretty much always so I'm pretty much always calling them out. And not only do I question their actions but I question their morality. They are "demons" who have sold their souls. That's how they get where they do. "I am wary of demonizing them because it can appear that I am demonizing their supporters." People are always going to gaslight you like this. There is a clear distinction between a candidate and a candidate's supporter. It's the difference between the boot and the people the boot is stepping on. One is a victim. The other is rightfully demonized. Regarding, "The only politicians I will go hard at are establishment politicians like Pelosi and McConnell." McConnell is arguably one of my favorite politicians these days. He is "honest" about being a POS. It's not like he promises 2k checks or a 15 dollar minimum wage. That's arguably better than the ones who lie about it and pretend they support things only to sell me out. I go hard at them when they are lying. That ends up being pretty much everyone. The older I get the more I think the cliche 'if voting worked they wouldn't let you do it' (or at least that's the gist of it) is true. "My use of “peace” has nothing to do with war and peace. It is an olive branch of sorts" I know. Your point wasn't lost on me. You are clearly a much nicer person than I. Regarding, "I recognize the humanity in most people," I don't really even try when it comes to the elite. But when it comes to the peasants... of course. Again... the people are victims. Regarding, "I mostly support progressive policies but not their ideology." I'm not sure I understand the distinction. Regarding, "Nothing wrong with ideology until someone strictly adheres to it and morphs into an ideologue. Ideologues are the most dangerous people on earth" I feel like you are making a big jump from "ideology" to "ideologues" and acting like they are the same thing. So if I can follow you... you support progressive policies but not the ideology even though there is nothing wrong with an ideology only when you get extreme about it? How do you even support progressive policies without supporting progressive "ideology?" Do you have an ideology? If so what is it? Regarding, "I do not think Jimmy dislikes Yang." I do. And I only think he covers him because 1) jimmy does like UBI and 2) jimmy can't resist stories of corporate media smears and they do do that of yang. Let's say jimmy was a yang supporter... he sure AF didn't fight back when aaron repeatedly said he don't like yang. And jimmy's not the type to keep an opinion to himself even if his guest is saying the opposite. Regarding, "he is beginning to see the utility of universal basic income." UBI is not yang and yang is not UBI. I like UBI. I do not like yang... even a little bit. Regarding, "Unfortunately, he has not studied Yang’s ideas in depth so he is vulnerable to progressive talking points against Yang," Go on... Regarding, "the “regressive” nature of Yang’s ubi funding mechanism." It is regressive. Youtube video titled "Andrew Yang: Paying for a Universal Basic Income" the first thing yangs offers to pay for UBI is by gutting the social safety net. All the money that once went to pay for a social safety net is gone to pay for UBI. That's as regressive as you can possibly get when you should be having the rich pay for it. Regarding, "I was surprised at Aaron’s near-hatred of Yang" I was too. Full disclosure: I loved it and feel the exact same way. I was THRILLED to hear him say it. Regarding, "his use of progressive talking points against him" This seems like a bad way to dismiss what someone is saying. Just because something is a "talking point" doesn't mean it's wrong. You need to say why what he is saying is wrong and not this. Regarding, "his heart is in the right place" That's just it... I don't agree with this. Regarding, "his ideas are pragmatic" He has one idea that is worth a shit and even that is as bad as he can possibly make it. I think he is shit on essentially anything that isn't UBI with minor exceptions on smaller topics. Regarding, "I prefer focusing on implementing policies that will actually make a fundamental difference in our lives like universal basic income" He's trying to bribe everyone to keep the current shit system. He isn't even trying to keep the current shit system. He wants to make it worse by getting rid of the social safety net that does exist before giving you your UBI. And then... because he doesn't want to change ANYTHING else then all that UBI will funnel to the top just like it does now. "universal healthcare" While running for POTUS yang lied and said he supported m4a. Then when his health care proposal came out it was not m4a. Not even close. He is a liar. "ending endless wars." He sounds a lot like a neoliberal warmonger in a lot of ways. Those things you just listed as important are things that yangs really sucks on. That probably is why aaron and jimmy aren't big fans. "The only quicker way to bring about change is through an actual Revolution where blood is spilled and I prefer we not go down that road if at all possible." The establishment is lucky I'm a pacifist. Mostly I just think we are fucked. I don't pretend to have all the answers. But I'm telling you why I don't like yang. Regarding, "Long comment but you asked. ~ Peace." I'd be a hypocrite if I had a problem with long replys but add some paragraphs next time. Thanks. Peace.
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@BobbyU808 Regarding, "I do not think you are demonizing me at all." Good. I'm not trying to. Even if we disagree about some things this is the type of conversation I enjoy. I should that there is a type of "person" that I do also demonize. It's people who I think are shills and disingenuous. They are largely to blame for how toxic alot of the conversations have become because their "arguments" are so terrible and they can't be swayed by logic and reason because they are paid not to. "I’m only nice until I’m not." Same. I do concede I can be a real dick at times. Especially when talking about topics such as politics. If you aren't talking about war crimes and your blood doesn't boil you lack empathy in my opinion. "I don’t love it as much as you apparently do." I do tend to reply to everything. Even things like this that I probably shouldn't. "Jimmy did not refute him but neither did he join him." He did. Aaron first says he doesn't like yang at about the 4 minute mark. Jimmy's response, "I'm not on bored with andrew yang either." "This does not prove anything but I have heard Jimmy talk about Yang in a positive light." More likely you heard jimmy talk positively about UBI and you are conflating it to extend to yang. I've heard jimmy defend yang against bad faith smears but I've never heard him really endorse him as a person or as a politician. "He once said that he is glad that Yang is running for mayor because he considers Yang anti-establishment." That's praise of "anti-establishment" and is not really praise of yang. I can't stand trump, but I'm glad he ran. It helped expose just how rotten the "democratic" party is. But again... that doesn't mean I like trump even the slightest little bit. "while it is true that not all talking points are not “talking points” as I frame the term, some are." If you have a problem with "talking points" then you need to break down what is wrong with them. What you are doing is just dismissing points being made as "talking points" as if that refutes those points in some sort of way. It doesn't. In short I think you would be wise to just dump the terms "talking points" and instead just treat the things people are presenting to you as POINTS. Instead you seem to call them talking points and that is enough to just dismiss them outright for you. "For example, “Yang wants to gut the social welfare net to pay for his ubi” is simply not true." It is perfectly true. Saying yang doesn't want to gut the social safety net is the lie. And that is what you are spreading. If yang didn't want to gut the social safety net to pay for UBI then his UBI would be built ON TOP of the current system. But that isn't what he wants. He wants to gut it to pay for UBI. Those are the facts. In the interview I cite the very first thing he thinks of to offer as to how to pay for his UBI is taking hundreds of billions of dollars that was going to go pay for our current social safety net and he was going to raid it. Make it disappear and use it to pay for UBI. THAT'S GUTTING. Please stop suggesting it's not. "Yang’s plan, ubi would stack on top of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SSDI and housing benefits, among other things." No doubt this is how he sells you his UBI but why you so convinced he isn't lying to you and would gut SS to help pay for UBI when he is already willing to gut food stamps to pay for UBI? He thinks one is "double dipping." Why should I think he doesn't feel the other is "double dipping?" Are you sure he wouldn't also be willing to gut SS as a compromise if need be? Or let's say yang is everything you think he is and he's everything I don't think. And he passes UBI. It's even funded progressively like I want. But then he goes away. How long until corporate dems and corporate republicans gut SS and say it's fine because you have UBI? Ultimately yang has already told you he is going to gut the social safety net. I mean how much money does he need to raid from it for you to agree with that? Does he need to take every last dollar? Hundreds of billions of dollars per year isn't enough for you to consider it gutted? "one can argue that this is the first step towards gutting the safety net, but conservatives used this same slippery-slope argument against proposed laws to ban automatic weapons." Dems have never held a goal of getting all guns. Republicans and corporate dems all have dismantling the social safety net on their to do list. It's a pretty apples to oranges comparison for that reason. "Another progressive talking point, which Jimmy unfortunately ascribes to, is that Yang plans to fund his ubi with a regressive vat tax." As far as a "vat" tax I'm no expert, don't claim to be, don't care about this argument, and speak intelligently about it in the least. For that reason I'm going to skip it. It's already regressive because he wants to take billions of dollars earmarked for poor people to pay for it. The rest is just details to me. "if someone lives abroad, his ubi would be suspended but would accumulate" Huh? Why would we give people living in other countries this? Not that this is very important to the discussion at large. But this seems very wrong to me. "(since the one of the purposes of ubi is for the money to be spent in one’s community in order to stimulate the economy" So they can come collect a check and then go back to where they were living. Accumulate some money UBI. Go get it. Repeat. I hope this isn't how it would work. "This is real power because the elites fear only one thing - the country going bankrupt." Yeah. I'm pretty UBI is there plan. Especially as designed by yang. Bribe the peasants with a set number of crumbs that is as small as you can possibly make it (that's why you gut the social safety net to help pay for it). That way they are content and willing to overlook the fact that all the other problems are overlooked and all that UBI money funnels to the top just like it does now. This country is headed toward collapse. UBI is the elite play to keep the gravy train rolling in a world where they understand SOMETHING needs to change. Universal health care would be far worse for their bottom line that UBI would be. So that's what they are going to give us. A small bribe to keep literally every other shit institution we have. A small bribe that is going to all end up in their hands anyway. Yippie. "Ubi would level the playing field like nothing else besides a real revolution" While I do consider a good UBI a game changer and "systemic change for the better" universal health care and a living minimum wage would both do more in the long run to level the playing field. Those are actions that allow the people on the bottom to keep the money they have. Instead of just giving them money they know will go to the rich in the long run. "he also supported ending endless wars" If you say so. He seems like a neoliberal warmonger from everything I've heard him say. " rank choice voting" This really shouldn't impress anyone. It should be a given. "imposing a ban on politicians from sitting on corporate boards and engaging in paid-speeches during and after leaving office" What a half ass measure in a world where we need all money out of politics. "strengthening union rights, de-privatizing prisons, the public funding of elections" He talks pretty good talk here but I don't really care as I think he is a conman. Any of this only holds weight when I think someone isn't just pandering. Yang hasn't held a political office in his life. For that reason I shouldn't even be able to say he is a liar. I should only be able to realize that after he talks office. But he has already proven he was a liar on m4a. An issue that is far, far, far more important to me than of these issues. So even if I agree with the things he says why should I believe him? When I already know he is a liar on one of the issues that is most important to me? Donald trump said he would "give everyone great health care." So what. That only means something when that person has credibility and your guy doesn't have that. "working towards universal healthcare" You aren't slimy but I hope you felt a little slimy saying this bullshit. "working towards..." How weaselly. I want universal healthcare. I don't want to "work towards" it. This is like trying to have your cake and eat it too. I'd respect yang more if he would just admit he doesn't care about it rather than lying about it like this.
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@BobbyU808 "the decriminalization of all drugs including heroin, and the legalization of the sex trade" The best thing about yang is that he does push the overton window on some topics. I concede this is a good thing. But that is not the person and I do not think the person is good. "Yang had the most expansive policy of all the candidates" It's easy to say you support things when you don't have any actual power. AOC says she will fight for m4a all the time. That doesn't mean she would force the vote. "platform" Biden platform included: 2k checks, 15 dollar minimum wage, a public option... I guess what I'm saying is is that I don't really care about a person's "platform" very much. It looks like Yang might win mayor. It he does he can prove me wrong about what I think about him then. Til then it's just talk. Talk I put less than zero faith in. Prove me wrong yang. Be great. But I won't hold my breathe because he isn't. "he was the only candidate to point out how America has interfered in the elections of many countries" So bernie has never done this according to you? You should check again. "He also pointed out on the debate stage and on CNN as a commentator that having a “D” next to your name was considered toxic by the working man." I don't give people credit for saying things that are ridiculously obvious and take zero courage to say. "Joe Biden and the real president, Kamala Clinton." They are both just puppets for corporate interests. "we could not coalesce our forces" It was clearly possible. You should ask why it didn't happen. Why was yang running to the left of sanders? He sure as fuck wasn't going to take biden voters. But there he was... cockblocking sanders and serving establishment interests in a race he had zero fucking business being in.
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@BobbyU808 "that’s on Bernie and his supporters." It's not their fault Warren stayed in. It's not their fault tulsi and yang were running against sanders when they should have been doing anything and everything possible to push him over the hill. Pete and amy did what was best for their team. Why didn't the so called "progressives?"
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@BobbyU808 Regarding, "I think that the reason why you despise Yang..." I openly admit that it's one of the reasons I don't like him, don't trust him, and question his intentions. Of course this factors in. As does the fact that he wants to gut social security to pay for UBI. Almost everything he does makes me not like him. It all plays a factor in why I don't like him. "simply because he ran against Bernie and that you, along with your progressive cohorts" You can leave out the "along with your progressive cohorts" like I either needed them to come to this conclusion and/or I speak for some kind of group other than myself. Why shouldn't I hold this against yang? Do you not hold warrens actions during the primary against her? Candidates don't operate in a vacuum. We know where they do and do not draw their support. Yang being in the race helps the establishment and their goals of stopping sanders. At best that makes him a useful idiot for them. At worst it means his campaign was designed to siphon votes from sanders from the left and stop him from the nomination. "need a scapegoat to blame for Bernie’s loss" This isn't about bernie. This is about yang. I have lots of blame to place at bernie door but again... this isn't about him. The whole establishment conspired against sanders to stop him. I think yang was in on it. Hypothetically if I'm correct about that it means he is a POS. I concede I could be wrong about this. I concede this is merely opinion. But I have lots of evidence that makes me come to the conclusions I do. You are again using really weak ways to dismiss my arguments. You should be telling me why yang should have been in the race (he obviously shouldn't). You should be telling me how him being in the race wouldn't hurt sanders (it obviously did). The "arguments" you are using to dismiss may as well come from warren supporters to defend her and I don't accept those coming from them anymore than I accept them coming from you. Warren is a snake. I suspect you agree with that. But maybe not. Well I think yang is a snake for lots of similar reasons. I also have almost no good reasons to like him. "Instead of looking inward for answers as to why Bernie lost" Instead of looking inward at yangs campaign, which this actually about, you are deflecting to talk about sanders campaign and their mistakes. Which are many. But this isn't about Sanders. " I had hoped that the Democratic Party would looking inward for answers as to why someone like Trump was able to defeat their candidate. Instead, they doubled down and blamed the American people" Actually they blamed russia. Which is just BS fiction. The party straight up conspired against sanders. That isn't fiction. The DNC said pete buttigieg "won" the iowa caucus. Let's not act like I'm peddling bullshit like russiagate. " if you truly believe that Yang’s objective was to gut the SSN" When asked how are you going to pay for UBI the first thing he thought of was on the backs of poor people. Yeah. That makes me think he isn't a progressive. "that he is a con man" Yup. 100 percent. And a good one at that. Which makes him scary. " then you would prefer Biden to Yang." What? I say lots and lots and lots and lots of things. I write epic novels. You could address one of the many many many thinks I think and you know I think them because I say them... or you can strawman me with shit like this. Again you are deflecting to talk about other people. This is about yang. Biden is a also a conman but he is a fucking terrible conman. It is a miracle he is potus. As for how I'd prefer... who gives a fuck. I'm not going to support either anytime soon. Yang could actually win my vote at some time. He is young and I could change my mind but I don't think I will have to. I think that after he actually gets a job in politics he will prove he is a fraud just the way AOC is proving she is a fraud. I'd love it if you guy proves me wrong. Time will tell. But he won't. And when he gets a job and sucks don't be afraid to call him out for his BS. "Biden better than Yang is an absurd proposition on its face." I can't tell you how happy I am to stop having people compare and contrast Biden and trump and to talk about who which POS I think smells worse like it matters. It doesn't. If yang was just a plant and only in the campaign to try and stop sanders then that would make him worse than biden. I prefer people who stab me in the face (which is far more what biden would be doing) than people who stab me in the back (which is what yang would be doing assuming my conclusion is correct). "The first thing I thought was that this guy did not sound like your typical politician." That's a favorite thing cited by people enticed by the conman donald trump. Another favorite of the professional conman is getting yourself a non profit that you can parade around to signal how great you are. It's also the type of thing that is perfect for corrupt politicians and quid pro quo. Yang is a great conman. "everything about his past life told me that this was a man who walked the talk." He's like pete buttigieg. A person who has designed their entire life around the goal of being president. Pete is a terrible conman and talks like a robot. Yang is a great conman. Feel free to send me all you know about his non profit and the like. I only conclude a person is a con after knowing about them. I became an atheist cause I read the bible.
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Watch the video. He doesn't like yang for good reason. He sucks.
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@LordBouz420 The lies mostly.
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