Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Corp. Dems Purge Bernie Progressives From DNC" video.

  1. Fellow pissed off progressives please still vote in the "democratic" primary. Find the most progressive candidate you can find there and vote for them. That doesn't mean you owe the "democratic" party jack shit during the general if you don't want.
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  2. John Kearns huh? Do you care to elaborate why you are so mad or is stomping your feet all you wanted to do?
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  3. JMV regarding, "i'm keeping my black ass home" Don't be a fool. Don't let them win without a fight. That is exactly what they want.
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  4. Narmy regarding, "I'm not joining the Democratic party to vote in their rigged primaries." So your pride is more important to you than do what is best for the country? Suck it the fuck up. You are only doing yourself a disservice if you don't.
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  5. sq regarding, "it's a failed dying party" It isn't dead and as much as it should be it isn't going to die anytime soon. You don't want to vote for a dem in the general? Fine. Don't. I sure as fuck won't try to convince you to. But vote for the most progressive candidate in the primary you can. It is in your interests to do so. And if you want a good reason why how about because it is what Perez won't want you to do.
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  6. Qasim regarding, "If Bernie Sanders isn't leaving the democratic party, then f* him too!" Way to go, you already have something in common with democrats and republicans. You all care more about party labels than you do about the person.
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  7. Matthew regarding, "warren" I can't stand her. I don't trust her. I don't think I'd vote for her in the general. But if she is the best candidate in the primary when it comes around I will support her because it only makes sense to try and get the most progressive candidate to win the primary.
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  8. Zox regarding, "NO." Very short-sighted and very foolish. I'm starting to understand how progressives get portrayed as children.
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  9. op kingdom regarding, "All JD/WNC Candidates need to run as Greens in each GENERAL and bypass the Dems altogether." I understand why you would say this but I disagree. Regarding, "The Greens have a national presence/infrastructure and are 100% willing to embrace the Progressive candidates." I love the Green Party. I identify with them far more than I do any other party. That said winning, although not the only thing, is very important to me. I admit to being demoralized after Jill Stein's showing last election. She wasn't running against 2 of the most despised politicians in the country, she was running against 2 of the most despised HUMANS in the country. Still she only got about 1 percent of the vote (I'm told. I have my doubts in all honesty.) And so they are plan B for me. Plan A is to get a true progressive to win the "democratic" nomination like Sanders, Gabbard, or Turner. If a progressive can win the primary they will not run the risk of splitting left leaning thinkers during the general. And remember that winning the most electoral votes isn't enough to win the general. An independent would need a majority of electoral votes. Let's say a 3rd party candidate wins the presidency. They are immediately opposed by both major parties and they will likely be able to get nothing done. Then after they are gone everything goes back to normal and it is business as usual. If Sanders or a true progressive wins as a dem they would be able to reform the party from the inside. They would be able to enact certain reforms unilaterally like, for example, banning them from accepting their legalized bribes among others. Then we might have a party that cares about the people rather than just caring about their big money sugar daddies. Not only that but then democrats would be more willing to work with them instead of unilaterally opposing them on everything. Please work to build the green party. I will certainly be voting for them if the dems nominate a corporate stooge. But please vote in the "democratic" primary. That is very different and has nothing to do with your vote in the general. Regarding, "It is LITERALLY the only hope for getting Progressives into Office." Maybe you are right and I'm just being naive. Maybe there is no hope a progressive can win the "democratic" nomination. If and when that happens I will happily join with you to vote for the Green candidate. But until then I'm going to try and get a true progressive to win the dem nomination. But that is a bridge I will only cross when I get there.
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  10. op kingdom regarding, "I'm voting Green only." If you want to vote for the Green party candidate in the general go right ahead. I happily voted for Jill Stein last general. But there is no green party candidate during the "democratic" primary and that election gives you the opportunity to shape their candidate or, at the very least, send them a message that you want progressive values. Regarding, "Dems will just use super delegates to screw over Progressives" They will absolutely do everything they can to fuck with things including using the superdelegates. That said there are less of them thanks to Sanders. I fucking hate the party. I really do. But use the opportunity you have to try and shape them with the little power you have. Don't let them win without a fight. And again if you want a good reason why, how about because it is what Perez and all the other corporate dems DON'T want you to do.
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  11. JMV I'm not going to try and engage you in an intelligent conversation. I don't see the point. My dog is more likely to say something smart. Take care.
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  12. Diana regarding, "that candidate won't be Democrat" I can confidently say that the best candidate in the "democratic" primary is going to be a democrat. Vote for them in the primary and if you want to vote for someone else during the general then absolutely. Go right ahead. I will be encouraging you to do so then if Harris or Booker are the democratic nominee.
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  13. op kingdom regarding, "Care more about party lables?" What I was saying was that some people care about party labels more than they care about politicians. I for one love Bernie Sanders. I'd vote for him if he called himself a democrat, green, independent, republican, martian or other. I think that people who say they will only support a candidate if they put their preferred party label after their name are demonstrating they care more about a party label than they care about the candidate. Which is fucking stupid to me. Regarding, "you just told us to vote Dems no matter what because we can't let the Repubs win" No. I definitely did not say such a thing. Regarding, ""No they cheat us" and you say we're "letting them win"" Um. Nope. They are cheating us but I'm going to make them cheat to win. I'm not going to not vote. Not voting is just letting them win. Regarding, "are you with correct the record" Um. Nope. I think you are misunderstanding what I've said. Let me try to be clear again.... vote for whoever you want during the general. But vote during the "democratic" primary to try and get the most progressive candidate they have at the moment. I assure you it makes lots of sense.
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  14. ameigh there are very legit grievances to be had about the voting machines. That said... Regarding, "I realize that my vote won't necessarily be counted." By not voting you go from not necessarily being counted to ABSOLUTELY 100 PERCENT not being counted. At least force them to rig it. What you are doing, like I've already pointed out, is letting them win without a fight. At least fight (aka vote).
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  15. op kingdom regarding, "if Bernie got in as President, he, too would be "opposed at every turn" from Reps & Dems." You have a point but I think you must realize that Bernie gets pushed much harder by dems if he is an 3rd party than if he is a dem. That said you are correct to think they will be reluctant to do anything good on their own but it will be much harder for them to justify if they are in the same party at the time. Regarding, "Progressive President" I promise you I want a progressive president as much as you. But the fact remains that the easist way to get one is to go through the "democratic" party. And if I am wrong it doesn't stop any of us for voting 3rd party afterward. Regarding, "Because EVERYONE would be happier paying less for their better insurance." Have you met the American public? There are lots of idiots out there who vote against their own interests. Regarding, "We need Progressives in Congress" We definitely agree on this. Regarding, "and the Democrats will NOT allow that" Voters do have a say in the matter. Regarding, "The party has now rigged their power structure against Progressives." It has always been rigged... they are just making it worse. But they have to rig the game because there is still a game to be played. Of course it is fucked up that they get to start a touchdown up and it is wrong we have play that way but it is still a fight worth having. Especially when voting in the primary doesn't cost you anything. It isn't like you have to then vote them in the general. Regarding, "They have closed ranks and we KNOW they believe that can just select their candidates in a smoky back room." They do all their shady shit because they KNOW there are still elections to be had. Regarding, "They are not seeking UNITY with Progressives" No they are not and I am not seeking unity with them. I'm looking to take over the party hostile takeover style. And if it doesn't work the green party is plan B. Regarding, "the ONLY power Progressives held" We still have our votes. I like to think they have realized they can't win without them. I'm not sure they have but clearly they are power. Regarding, "Progressives have been purged." How about we purge them? To do that we need to win their primary. And it absolutely is possible. And again, if it isn't there is a plan B. Regarding, "Time to re-strategize because the Dem Party is closed to Progressives now." I'm not as sure. I'm going to make them prove it. I will reevaluate after the primary. Til then I'm still going to try to go through them.
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  16. Well it is a joke but I don't find it very funny.
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  17. Andrew huh? I like Redacted Tonight but I don't understand what your point is unless you are just trying to plug them. Would you care to elaborate?
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  18. B4 regarding, "It's just a shame that the Duopoly of the two major parties has so corrupted American politics." Money in politics is fucking everything up. It is the virus that infects everything it touches. Regarding, "hoping for a change that never seems forthcoming" Former democrats are rightfully pissed at Obama for never producing the hope and change he promised. Regarding, "Bernie is the best choice by far but that won't happen." I'm not sure how they can stop him. He is by far the most popular politician in the country. He has by far the best policy positions. His positions are overwhelmingly popular. He generates more enthusiasm than anyone else by far. Even with the wheels of the establishment working overtime against him I'm not sure they can stop him. Regarding, "very little chance of four more years of Trump." Just so long as it isn't the someone who is as bad on policy but less offensive. If they are just as bad on policy then I actually prefer it is someone that makes everyone sick to their stomach. Hopefully we actually get someone decent... like Sanders.
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  19. I have to go live my life. Have a nice day everyone. Good luck fighting the good fight. Peace.
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  20. Cash regarding, "Yeah I’ll vote for Sanders. Not Harris." I love Sanders. I think he is easily the best hope this country has to get the progressive change it deserves. And fuck Harris. No way I vote for her in the general and it sounds like she is going to be the establishment's choice this time around. That said it is still some time off and only time will tell.
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  21. Riptide regarding, "Operation Chaos?" I think that would be more accurate if I were telling people to vote in the Republican party. I'm talking to progressives. The "democratic" party is suppose to be our party. Sadly it isn't and they only represent big money and corporate interests. I'm just trying to fight for what I think should be ours. And if I don't get what I want during the primary then fuck em.
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  22. ND P regarding, "Medicare For All is an unrealistic litmus test" Yeah. Fuck that. Medicare for all is absolutely a litmus test I use. I will not support a candidate that isn't for it.
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  23. Dennis regarding, "No, thank you." What do you stand to lose other than nothing? But you gain the opportunity to try and shape their nominee for the better.
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  24. Truth Robot regarding, "Vote against your own interests by supporting the corrupt, bribed Democrats" Voting in the primary does not support the democrats. You are thinking of voting for them in the general. And it absolutely is in my best interest to get the dems to nominate their most progressive candidate.
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  25. Aaron regarding, "You have a prime example of the second conservative party flipping progressives the finger and you want people to further support that party?" You do realize how they are giving you the finger right? They are ostracizing progressives that are in the party. In other words there are still good people there fighting for you and what you believe in, that is why the corporate dems need to give you the finger... because the fight for the soul of the party isn't over yet. And voting in the primary is not supporting the party. That is not voting for a democrat for office. It is merely doing what little you can to try and shape the party. Screaming and bitching at them just doesn't have the same affect as voting does.
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  26. Truth regarding, "in many states Independents (the largest voting bloc in America) can not even vote in the democrat Primary." Yup. It is fucked up. It is wrong. It is undemocratic. Regarding, "Democrats are doing nothing to fix it, proving they are corrupt and only protect the rich." Yup. And do you know why they do it? Because THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE. What more reason do you need to go out and vote in the primaries? Register as dem just long enough to vote in the primaries and then demexit as soon as you have. It is really fucked up that you need to do that to vote in their primary but in all honesty the country is fucked up and this is one way you can fight to make it better.
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  27. Alan regarding, "JOIN THE DNC AND BECOME THEIR MOUTHPIECE" First off it is impossible to take anyone seriously who only writes in all caps. Second he didn't exactly join the DNC. He is currently an independent and that is why the DNC is currently trying to force him to join them. I'm sure you are talking about him endorsing Hillary and that pissed you off. Fine. I get. I was pissed about that as well when he did. I wanted him to got the convention and give them all the finger. But he didn't and I understand why. He decided to endorse the "democratic" candidate like he was required to do when he entered the race. He didn't want to be blamed for Trump winning. Can you blame him? He is just as corrupt as Hillary but he, unlike her, he is fucking offensive. And remember what it was and what it wasn't. It was a fucking endorsement, not his soul. Only sheep vote based on someone else's endorsement. I fucking love Bernie Sanders but I happily voted for Jill Stein because it is my vote and I'm not a fucking sheep.
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  28. hoodie regarding, "DESERT THE DEMS." So throw up the white flag and give up any opportunity I have to make them the party they should be? No. I have a better plan. Regarding, "CHANGE YOUR REGISTRATION NOW" I'm not a democrat. I am lucky to live in an open primary state. If I were not I would register as a dem just long enough to vote in their primaries.
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  29. hoodie regarding, ""Justice Dems" are Democrats. Don't be fooled by a name." If you want a good indication how corrupt a politician is and how much they can be trusted you need to follow the money. Justice dems are not traditional dems because they don't accept legalized bribes. That is a big fucking difference you would be wise to not ignore.
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  30. Jake regarding, "Third parties are no longer viable in America." That is not exactly my position. I love third parties. I want them to grow and get better. I need them to push the major parties. But winning is important and the major parties offer the best chances to win and when they have a decent candidate I will vote for them. I will also try to shape the major parties in the primary. That is my main point.
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  31. Omar regarding, "she did not remain silent on DAPL." She was waaaaaaaaaaayyyy too late to the party. I want a leader, not a follower who is only being dragged.
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  32. Jimmy regarding, "The DNC does not allow Independents to vote in their closed primaries" Yup. Their message is clear. They don't want you to vote in their primaries. Which seems like a good reason to vote in their primaries.
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  33. Phillip regarding, "Even Bernie I don't trust anymore." That guy who has done more to expose the corruption in government? That guy who has fought his whole life for progressive values? That guy who turned his back on big money to run a campaign of the people? We are going to have to agree to disagree. Regarding, "Stop trying to revive a dead party" Clearly you are misunderstand what I'm trying to do.
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  34. Riptide regarding, "in case you haven't been paying attention the DNC selects the presidential nominee on their own and publicly stated they have no obligation to go with the will of the people." You are mischaracterizing the truth. The DNC says it is within their power to select the nominee (and sadly it is), but they don't actually do it. Primary voters absolutely do have a say in the matter as much as the establishment then tries to silence them.
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  35. marsha regarding, "I'll never vote Dem again." You know I'm talking about the primary and not the general right?
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  36. B4 regarding, "I didn't realise you were talking about the 2118 Primaries..I thought you were referring to 2120." I am talking more specifically about the 2020 presidential elections but all of my points are equally appropriate and applicable to 2018.
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  37. Anna regarding, "nope the democrats aren't progressive" As a whole they absolutely are not nor have I suggested or implied they are. I'm pretty sure I've trashed them quite often. And they aren't going to become progressive by magic. Use the power you have to vote in their primary to make them progressive. Regarding, "vote republican just to piss off dems more." I think this is pretty fucking stupid but this conversation is not about what to do in the general. That is a completely different topic.
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  38. Random regarding, "When people are ready for a real democracy they will demand a 3rd party solution." So what is your plan until then? Regarding, "If Bernie runs as a Democrat again he's for sure a sheepdog." So you are going to his lifetime of working for progressive causes. You are going to ignore the fact that there isn't a person on the planet who has done more to expose the party for how corrupt they are than him and you going to smear him because his plan is not the plan you would make? I think that is silly. Regarding, "the Democrats lawyers admitted they were a corrupt corporation" Without Bernie Sanders campaign that never happens.
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  39. Regarding, "Ds & Rs are the same" Fools love to paint with broad brushes because they can't do nuance very well. The "democratic" party is a fucking dumpster fire for the most part but if you think that every single one of them is a piece of shit they you are being too blinded by hate for a party label. There is little difference between that and blind loyalty to a party. Support good people who share your values regardless of party labels.
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  40. groch regarding, "you could find something better and build it in to a far better political party then the democratic party could ever hope to be." You go ahead and do that. Seriously that is a great plan. But in the meantime, while that is being done I'm going to try to shape the "democratic" party into something better. That is not the same as saying I'm going to vote for them in general elections.
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  41. Alan Gann. I'm sorry I can't take you seriously enough to respond to you intelligently.
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  42. hoodie regarding, "Aren't you in a time warp and ignoring the dynamics/dirty tricks pulled by the 2016 D national convention" No. I'm quite aware. Regarding, "And you say you're waiting for the D party to do all that b s again" No. I expect they will. I am saying that I'm going to do what little I can to fight them. Regarding, "I am not buying your banana oil - you're a D party operative, I suspect," You are being absurd. The path you are advocating is what the party actually wants which makes is more likely that you are a party operative than me.
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  43. Truth regarding, "If you vote for Democrats, then you are in fact in bed with Wall St." Do you really not understand the difference between voting in the primary versus voting in the general? In one election (the primary) you are not actually trying to elect a person into office but rather you are just trying to shape the parties candidate. In the general you are voting for a person to hold elected office. They are very fucking different and those differences are very fucking important.
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  44. Kathleen regarding, "Tulsi, Warren or Bernie need to leave the Dem Party. Giving power to a Criminal Cabal with new front puppets changes nothing." Really? You don't think that if the dems nominated Sanders that would change nothing? Regarding, "The Dem Party is utterly compromised and corrupted." Yup. And voting in the primary is your one chance to do something about it rather than just bitching about it and pointing it out. Regarding, "Why not make a real difference and boycott the Dem Party, instead." Because that is counter productive to getting the change you want. That is passing up the opportunity to make the dem party better.
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  45. Omar regarding, "Warren." Most recently she voted for the department of offense budget. I do not trust her and think she is only progressive when it is politically convenient. That said if she were the nominee I would have to think long and hard about voting for her or the green party nominee.
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  46. Coyote regarding, "I will vote my conscience. Voting for the lesser evil has failed me for 50 years" Vote your conscience. Don't vote for the lesser of evil. But VOTE. And don't pass up the opportunity to vote in the primary. The general isn't the only place where your voice can be heard.
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  47. Omar regarding, "her banking POLICY and Bernies" Her banking policy is the place where she is best. Still I don't trust her and for the same reasons Coyote mentioned. The war budget and DAPL are litmus tests for me and she failed them both.
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  48. Omar again regarding Warren. Being a human I am not entirely logically based. I also have and use my intuition. I don't trust Warren. I just don't. But this isn't really about her. Let's try to stay on topic.
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  49. Jason regarding, "no way" What a compelling argument.
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  50. Dan regarding, "Voting won't get it back." We are going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not looking to quit like you.
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  51. Jay regarding, "I'll wait patiently for a third party that is actually out to help regular people." On behalf of regular people, "go fuck yourself for sitting on your hands and choosing to do nothing while we are fucked over. The war is going on now whether you choose to fight or not."
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  52. berz regarding, "ppl are just sick and tired of being fucked over." They should be. I know I am. Regarding, "the DNC is corrupt beyond repair" Maybe. But I'm going to fight to repair it anyway. If it doesn't work I really haven't lost anything. Regarding, "it needs to just go fuse with the GOP once and for all." Don't hold your breathe waiting for that happen. Regarding, "but they are going to do that anyways" If you say so. Still I think waving the white flag instead of trying is dumb. Let's make them "do it anyways." Regarding, "ill be damned if I get to give em the "and look how many ppl voted in out primaries!" line." Is that really your biggest concern and problem with the plan? And you would rather let them say their corporate stooge is getting more than the more progressive candidate? Regarding, "participation in it is just not a viable option anymore." The DNC is very happy with your decision and thank you for it.
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  53. Kap regarding, "Your name translates into government funding for the corrupt figureheads and their corporate masters." No it doesn't. It merely gives you the opportunity to shape the party instead of just bitch about it.
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