Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Bernie Explains Need For Third Party" video.

To all those people doing the establishment's bidding by smearing Sanders try and keep in mind that Bernie was the only reason the 2016 "democratic" primary even needed to be rigged in the first place. No one has done more to wake the public than Sanders. No one.
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Twirlip regarding, "I'm willing to let him follow but he hasn't shown willingness to lead." Doesn't lead? Really? The guy who calls for a political revolution? The guy who is dragging lying corporate dems kicking and screaming into supporting medicare for all? The guy who talks tirelessly about issues? The guy who goes out of his way to win his senate seat as an independent? Let's agree to disagree about him not being a leader shall we.
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Regarding, "FUCK BERNIE PIECE OF SHIT WHO WANTS WAR WITH RUSSIA." Provide one example of Bernie Sanders calling for war with russia. I'll wait... forever... because it doesn't exist.
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Chris regarding, "That is your mistake for thinking that people needed Bernie to 'wake up'" Meanwhile, in reality, millions and millions of people are fast asleep. Meanwhile, in reality, that number is less then it was in large part to Sanders. Regarding, "only YOU can wake yourself up." Is this suppose to be deep or something? Have you never been influenced by anyone? A teacher, parent, or friend has never enlightened you about anything? I guess not but you are alone in that regard on the planet.
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Justin regarding, "Not good enough! As Bernie Sanders would have said at some point in the past...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" Stomping your feet and being pissed at what is isn't the same as offering viable solutions.
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Jason regarding, "Agreed but now what stick around I figure they have all the super delegates they need so why run under an empty banner?" I am honestly not sure what you are trying to say but when it comes to superdelegates let's not misunderstand their purpose shall we? They are not there to overthrow the will of the people. They are there to shape the election. They are there so that the corporate media can put up all delegate numbers alongside one another to try and sell their establishment candidate. I fucking hate the "democratic" party. I would be happy if they just died and went away so that something better could take their place. But that isn't going to be happening anytime soon. That said if they used superdelegates to get a candidate that didn't get the most pledged delegates, like they will never do because they are not stupid, then that party very well might collapse. That would be a win in and of itself even if it wouldn't be as good as Sanders as president.
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David regarding, "he’s now rocking everyone back to sleep by singing the same old “Democratic” lullaby." Meanwhile, in reality, he has been championing medicare for all and winning the war of ideas. That is hardly the same old "democratic lullaby." Regarding, "we need someone like Bernie to lead something new" Here's the plan in case you haven't heard. Hostile takeover of the "democratic" party. One of the reasons why the party is a dumpster fire and will continue to be until at least 2020 is because Hillary "won" the primary. That is why we have perez who picked all the people under him and so on. That is why progressives were purged. But corporate dems can be purged exactly the same way. The nominee of the party is able to pretty much unilaterally shape and reform the party. They get to decide what it means to be a democrat going forward. They can enact reforms such as banning corporate pac money. Then all of a sudden we might start getting a party that cares about the people rather then their big money donors. That is new and that is the plan. But to do it we need to win. The game isn't fair but we have a not so secret weapon in Sanders. But he needs our help. Regarding, "I wish he’d stop marketing for them." If he is selling them then he is doing a terrible no good job. There is reason demexit was a thing. There is a reason people are leaving the party in droves. And he is a big big part of that reason.
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Nate regarding, "all that talk he does is great," Um... yeah... it is. He can't do everything by himself. And getting shit done starts with winning the war of ideas. Regarding, "but when push came to shove Bernie backed down from the DNC." It is worth noting that when entering the primary he agreed to support the nominee. It is worth noting that Sanders pretty much always does what he says he will. It is worth noting that he talked over, and over, and over, and over about how much he didn't think Trump should be president and that he would do everything in his power to try and stop him. Let's not pretend those aren't the facts. Regarding, "They cheated him by rigging the primary against him." Yup. Regarding, "That was his chance to be a real revolutionary by exposing the corruption on both sides." It was already exposed for fucks sake. Do you really think the people that still want to claim the primary was fair were all of a sudden going to wake the fuck up if Sanders cried about getting fucked over? The bottom line is that Americans fucking hate whiners, even if their whining is justified. Even Hillary supporters had an impossible time defending their fallen queen on her blame everybody other than herself book tour. I don't need Sanders to tell me he got fucked over and neither should you or anyone. Regarding, "That would have allowed him to really start a third party." All of this obsession over starting a new party even thou we live in a world where the game is completely rigged against 3rd parties. The bottom line is that you gotta pick your poison and the best way to go is to try and takeover the corrupt "democratic" party. That would kill 2 birds with one stone. Even if you successfully created a new party you would still have 2 corrupt major parties to deal with. Regarding, "Instead he has gone along with the Russia ruse" Ruse? Do you really want to claim they didn't fuck with us at all? Because they did even if the corporate media wildly overblows their influence. Ultimately Sanders is wise to admit they fucked with us because... ya know... they did. Regarding, "and loss of Hillary" The corporate media wildly overblows their influence because it creates an excuse for hillary's loss. And that is important because they need to justify the status quo. It wasn't hillary's fault it was russias. That is bullshit. But ultimately russia did fuck with us so let's not pretend they didn't. And it isn't surprising. The USA fucks with everyone and I don't need a smoking gun to know it. Regarding, "Now the DNC made sure he will never get the nomination." Did they? How so? Because there is this still a thing called the "democratic" primary. It isn't fair but it does give the peasants an opportunity to have their say. And if they are willing to fight him doesn't that tell you he isn't their shill? You can't have it both ways. He can't have sold out and them be fighting him and it make sense. Regarding, "But will he actually run as a 3rd party?" You know something that would have forever damaged a 3rd party movement? Sanders running as a 3rd party candidate and Trump winning. The only reason Sanders isn't effectively blamed for Trump is because he did what he did. Now yes they do try to blame him. But the sane are easily able to see through this and it only makes them look worse. Regarding, "He’s been bought and paid for." I guess that is why they are working overtime to do anything and everything to stop him. I guess that is why they will again do everything they can to fuck him over in 2020. Regarding, "If he was smart he would have called for an investigation into the DNC, completely rejected the Russia narrative" Worst advice ever. There is a reason he is the most popular politician in the country, winning the war of ideas, and in a position to bring change going forward... because he didn't think this was a "smart." Regarding, "vote 3rd party." Here is the reality... Jill Stein got 1 percent of the vote against 2 of, not only the most despised politicians, but most despised HUMANS in the country. Think about that for a minute before you conclude 3rd parties are the answer in this country currently.
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Steven regarding, "California it’s a progressive shit hole." People who have been to California disagree. And if it is a "shit hole" then what does that say about states like Alabama and Tennessee?
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mikey regarding, "Sounds like your argument essentially boils down to..." Well it absolutely is not. Regarding, "Lastly, who here has "smeared" Bernie exactly?" Really? Do I really need to go through the comments and pick out some gems for you? Regarding, "Jimmy" I wasn't talking about Jimmy. I was talking about people in the comments section. I thought that was pretty clear, like my point. I guess it isn't to some.
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Daily Dope regarding, "2020 will be a repeat of Hillary V. Bernie 2016, only, this time, Bernie will be playing the role of the Corporate Warmonger." I am so tired of feeling like I'm living in the movie Idiocracy because of shit like this. The fact that you not only think this was smart but felt so strongly about it to write it is really something else.
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Chaud regarding, "Screw you Clint Holmes. Bernie is a traitor. Get over it. Time to move on. He won't win as a Democrat. Nor would I vote for him as a Democrat. Go Away Bernie." This is what you say when you have nothing of substance to offer.
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Policy wise he is right in line with republicans and corporate dems.
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Chris regarding, "then show me evidence" The demexit movement and the popularity of medicare for all are both examples among many. Regarding, "all I see is..." Then you aren't looking hard enough. Do I count? Have I praised McCain? Tell you what... I will. Even thou he sucked he was at least a voice of reason when it came to torture.
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David regarding, "its hardly a Sander’s thing." No it's not. But he is clearly leading the fight for it now right? Do you think so many dems would be willing to lie about their stance on it if it weren't for him? Regarding, "I’d wager that the majority of people who wanted to Dem-exit, but didn’t, did it because they believe Bernie still has a chance with the Dems." So people being registered in undemocratic closed primary states is a bad thing? Those are people who want to try and use what little power they have to try and shape that shit party and make it better. Ultimately crying isn't as effective so I don't blame them. I fortunately live in an open primary state and don't need to play that game. But those people leaving the party in droves, who absolutely do exist, are doing so in large part to Sanders. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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vlada regarding, "No one?" Yup. No one. Regarding, "They might not have the same politics but Ron Paul has done an equally fine job opening the eyes if people." Um... no. Regarding, "Paul is vastly superior to Bernie on foreign affairs these past few decades" He is better but not vastly so. And he is shit when it comes to domestic economic policy and that is an epic understatement. Sanders record on foreign policy, while admittedly not perfect, is constantly smeared, mischaracterized, and lied about by the establishment. Regarding, "Ross Perot election run was huge" Let's agree to disagree about this shall we?
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were regarding, "That's why it's so heartbreaking to see this." To see what? Sanders acknowledge reality? Let's not pretend the game isn't rigged from top to bottom against 3rd parties shall we? Let's not pretend that the electoral college doesn't make a 3rd party candidate winning the general virtually impossible shall we? And we need to win. For the country and, if nothing else, to reform the party from the inside. As much as you want to just hope the party implodes the sad fact of the matter is that they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. That's the reality. Try not to lie to yourself about it.
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Eric regarding, "is bernie really a progressive?" I certainly think he is and as evidence I cite him fighting for progressive causes his entire life. Regarding, "look at him supporting bill clinton after NAFTA and welfare reform." Do you mean that you disagree with a guy who has been around forever on something? Wow. So do I even. Shit I don't even agree with myself when it comes to the past as my opinion on some things has changed over time. Regarding, "Both Chris Hedges and Ralph Nader thought Bernie was a fake progressive when he first started running in 2015, and I trust their judgement" I love both Hedges and Nader but ultimately I don't let them make up my mind for me and neither should you.
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Eric regarding, "Bernie Sanders wants to work within the Democratic party platform, and that alone makes him not a progressive." I envy your ability to think everything is so simplistic and black and white. I guess I too am not a "progressive" despite my own thinking on the matter because I want a hostile takeover of the party. I guess justice democrats are not progressive then. Regarding, "The Democratic Party is part of the system, the system that which..." I don't mean to rain on your parade but the only way to try and fix things is to work in the system. Even if you smashed everything to the ground and started to start fresh that fresh start would occur "in the system." Regarding, "You think a capitalistic system has any regard for humanity?" I think regulated capitalism (unlike the current capitalism we have that has run amok) is just great for almost everything. There is no better system when it comes to selling cars and computers as long as the government is doing their job making sure the playing field is level. That said there are exceptions. There is no place for capitalism when it comes to health care, war, education, and prisons. Those are areas where people should not be allowed to get filthy rich. Regarding, "And Bernie Sanders is part of the system." Which makes logical sense if you are trying to change said system. Regarding, "I think there is nothing but doom for us in the future." If we are doomed it isn't going to be because of capitalism. It will be because money in politics is fucking everything up from top to bottom. All problems are all but impossible to solve because our politicians are bought and paid for. They are not the independent arbitrators of the system like they are suppose to be... they are the ones tipping all the scales.
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Mydirty regarding, "And then they promptly turned tail and voted for the corporate warmonger." I guess him denying reality and pretending he hadn't lost the fight makes more sense to some. Regarding, "Bernie told you to jump off a cliff, would you do that as well?" I had no trouble voting for Jill Stein in 2016 in a swing state. Does that answer your question? Regarding, "He's not running!" I suspect if you actually believed this you wouldn't be bothering to trash him. Your comment reminds me of the shit Hillary Correct the Record would say. Just mindless bullshit completely devoid of substance.
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payton regarding, "You seem mentally impaired based on that statement . " Speaking of comments totally devoid of substance that Correct the Record would say we have payton.
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Eric regarding, "What happens when people don't want to admit capitalism is the problem? They smear you of course." Um... what? You might want to consider that America is the richest nation in the history of the world in part because of capitalism. You also might want to consider that the problems with capitalism in this country aren't because it's innately evil but because our politicians are bought off like I've already stated.
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TC regarding, "Stay classy." I try but fail at this quite often, especially when I think the person I'm addressing is disingenuous. Regarding, "The question i have for all these ppl screaming about 3rd party how many support the greens?" I've never understood the notion that we need to create a progressive party. The green party is already what they want to create. And they don't succeed because the entire system is rigged. A new party does nothing to address that fundamental problem. Regarding, "Cenk and Kyle created JD." Justice democrats were an amazing idea. Especially in a world where everyone feels the need to compare and contrast JDs really show the difference between real and fake progressives. Regarding, "Why is it all he does is whine?" I love Jimmy and there is a lot to whine about but that doesn't mean I agree with him on everything. Mostly I just disagree with his take with the value of trying to takeover the party from the inside. And even if I disagree with what Jimmy considers solutions there is great value in his shining a light on the many things that suck about the system that the corporate media won't touch with a ten foot pole.
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Eric regarding, "is not a justification for capitalism." Sorry if you have a problem accepting the fact that wealth is important even if it is hardly everything. Regarding, "France was a dominate power because of Louis XIV, you think because of that the French didn't overthrow their monarch?" Your point is lost on me. I'd ask you to elaborate but honestly don't care and think whatever your point is it isn't good. Regarding, "capitalism is innately evil" No. It isn't. And when you demonize and economic system as "innately evil" you make those words utterly meaningless when talking about things that are innately evil like torture. Regarding, "because it is a system that has no regard for sustainability or human survival" Sure it does. If everyone is dead then there is no ability to create wealth. Regarding, "it has no mechanism to check itself from destruction," There is a reason I advocate for REGULATED capitalism and trash capitalism run amok. I'd address the rest of your comment but I'm tired and off to bed. Please forgive me.
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Jimmy Dore Show regarding, "Who is smearing Bernie? WTF are you talking about?" Don't be afraid to read all the comments under your video. If you did you would know exactly what I'm talking about. You would also know that I've answered that question in this thread. I was talking about your viewers and about the people commenting on it. I'm talking about the ones who call him a communist. I'm talking about the ones who call him a sell out, controlled opposition sheep herder working for "democratic" party. And I'm talking about all the bullshit between. That's what the fuck I'm talking about and I shouldn't need to repeat myself or explain what is pretty fucking obvious.
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Eric regarding, "Do you even understand what wealth is? Wealth is not money or capital, wealth is the ability of a given person to leverage human or natural resources that exist in the system." Um... do you understand what wealth is? Because, according the independent arbitor, the dictionary, wealth is, "an abundance of valuable possessions or MONEY." Look man I know you want to go off on a tangent and make this conversation about how capitalism is the devil but it isn't about that nor am I interested in opening that rather huge book of conversation. It's about Sanders and I'm not looking to go off the rails from that.
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big regarding, "I'm calling it now, contested convention and berne gets screwed again?" The establishment is corrupt but they are not stupid. They are well aware that one of the only ways they jeopardize the future of the parties existence is by using superdelegates the way everyone fears. Ultimately that isn't their purpose because if they did use them that way it would very possibly lead to the destruction of the party. And I'm confident most of us would be happy to see the party crumble so if nothing else let's make them do it. Let's make them use superdelegates that way... you know... like they have never ever done.
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late you lost me at, "trump has done a lot more to wake the american people up" I feel no need to read the rest.
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Grizzly regarding, "Why is it that none of the words you use, or actions you take, actually change the balance of power in America?" I'm pretty sure hostile takeover of the party, and "political revolution" are effective ways to change the balance of power in America. What do you offer? 3rd parties? Like I've already pointed out Jill Stein got 1 percent of the vote against 2 of the most despised humans in the country. That leads me to believe it isn't a viable plan.
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Eric regarding, "he wants to save America, rather than to teach Americans how to save themselves." He talks about a political revolution. He has encouraged and talked about how people need to run for office and get involved. Here's the bottom line... the game is rigged as fuck. It isn't that Bernie is the only one who can help lead us in a new direction but he is best positioned to do so. He won't face the problems in 2020 that he did in 2016. In 2016 he was virtually unknown. He faced media blackout. In 2020 he is the most popular politician in the country with the name recognition of a rock star. He will have front runner status and the corporate media won't be able to ignore him. We need advantages like that if are going to have hope of overcoming the rigged game.
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William regarding, "the establishment wants a communist like Bernie in power" The Jimmy Dore Show has no fucking idea what smears I'm talking about. Meanwhile we have stupid fucking comments like this. That said thanks for proving my point for me you fucking twat.
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Cheryl regarding, "some people do not understand terms?" I agree with you. Take for instance the people calling Sanders a communist.
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Regarding, "he wants to save America from capitalism" One of the things I like about Sanders is that he says what is on his mind and what he thinks. Never have I heard him say something like this. The closest he gets is when he talks about capitalism when it comes to a specific topic... like health care. Regarding, "through reforms that smooth out the rough edges of capitalism." To me this is just a long way of saying regulation. Breaking up monopolies, ensuring safe working conditions, ensuring reasonable wages, protecting the right to unionize, and more are just regulations to ensure capitalism is not allowed to run amok. Regarding, "But it doesn't work." It absolutely did. Regarding, "Over the long run..." The notion that because regulations can be rolled back, need to be continually addressed, and aren't a perfect til the end of time means they "don't work" is really silly. I really prefer to address all points as they are made but I'm not going to do that for you going forward. Like I said and you want to continue, this is pretty much all about capitalism and not about sanders. That said I will address some things. Regarding, "Roosevelt ushered in the political and economical reforms, but he never..." It isn't reasonable to think someone can do everything. Those reforms speak for themselves and I take issue with what I think is diminishing great accomplishment. Regarding, "A democracy only exist when..." Let's agree to disagree about your very narrow definition of what need be for there to be a democracy. There is a reason the word representative is a synonym for the word politician. For example I don't need to be "actually participat(ing) in the decision making" when it comes to an issue like the war on drugs. If I consider that a priority then I get to support a candidate and they are suppose to represent me on that issue. I don't need a direct hand for their to be democracy. Regarding, "or Bernie, really inform the voters" Bernie Sanders is a guy who wants to talk tirelessly about the issues. Regarding, "I would say they terribly misinformed the voters." Let's agree to disagree. And if they are "terribly misinforming the voters" then what would you call what corporate media does? Regarding, "because they want to get rich and climb the social ladder." Yeah... it's called human nature and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Guys want to get their dick wet. It's pretty much their motivation for everything after they reach puberty. Without it you are likely to have a complete waste of a human being who accomplishes nothing with their life. Getting paid, getting the girl, and being popular drive us to do what we do. It helps make us productive and useful to society. You can't get rid of it and shouldn't really want to because without it you lose an important driving force for the human race. Who needs to aim for the stars if their isn't an alien to bang or, at the very least, a woman on earth to be impressed by it. Regarding, "Can you not see that the politicians wants to be corrupted," That said there are exceptions and it isn't the only thing that drives us. There are still plenty of people who just want to make the world a better place, whose priority is looking out for their fellow man, and they understand that a place to do that is in politics. Not everyone wants to be corrupted even if there are some who are good with it. And those are the people we should be supporting for political office. I feel like you are all over the place and now I too am all over the place when I want to have a very specific discussion. If you think I'm missing your point I'm fine with that. It really feels like all you care about is trying to piss on capitalism as innately evil. It isn't. It is merely an economic system. You hate it. Fine. I don't care.
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Regarding, ""Dictionary" is an independent arbiter?" Um.. yeah. In that it is what everyone thinks words mean. You just asserting, "wealth is the ability of a given person to leverage human or natural resources that exist in the system," is not backed up by anyone's understanding of what the word means as it's used. Holy shit are you all over the place with the rest of comment. Even after I've made it clear that this topic is suppose to be about Sanders nowhere, in that really long post do you even try to mention his name. I'm done with you. Peace.
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