Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Bernie Sanders Takes The Lead In TEXAS" video.

@randallhahn9245 Regarding, "I volunteered on the Sanders campaign in 2016 and again now" But he isn't anti-war according to your original comment? Regarding, "I still believe Tulsi to have the strongest foreign policy" While this is far less insane than your original comment it's still obviously wrong and I cite the same example given... the largest foreign policy blunder of the generation, Iraq. Regarding, "Tulsi still has a lot to say" Good for her. She should say it while doing the right thing and trying to push sanders over the top the way she did in 2016. Regarding, "I stand by my comment ." Meanwhile it's still god awful.
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Yeah that makes no sense.
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Regarding, "Don't understand why Tulsi or someone else should leave the race?" Because she has zero path to the nomination and if her goal is getting a progressive in the WH she is hurting those chances by splitting the progressive vote to the benefit of the establishment.
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@MatuschkaRossija You mean like David said about Warren who is actually doing far better than tulsi? Yeah. He did that. Do you have a point?
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@MatuschkaRossija Regarding, "If Biden leaves Budegig will get his supporters." True. Regarding, "So for Burnie it is better that more people stay in the race, that's my opinion." This isn't a one size fits all kind of a situation. Yes lots of corporate dems splitting the corporate vote is a good thing for bernie. But progressives taking votes from sanders is very, very, very, obviously very different. Many corporate dems in the race splitting the corporate vote is good. But progressive candidates taking votes that would overwhelmingly be going to sanders is bad.
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@MatuschkaRossija You can literally calculate this by asking people who their second choice would be. If tulsi dropped out her supporters would go to sanders overwhelmingly.
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If all she cares about is improving her own personal position I hope she never gets it.
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Meanwhile she takes votes that would overwhelmingly go to sanders and sets them on fire with no path to the nomination.
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Shouldn't an actual ally to Sanders be supporting him for president? Not running against him and taking votes that overwhelmingly would be going to him if she dropped out while not having any path to the nomination.
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Regarding, "she adds a distinct voice to it, being anti-regime change war and a check to the establishment for their corrupt behaviour." There is nothing distinct about any of that. Bernie already brings all of that without a blatant conflict of interest with the MIC. Regarding, "How many times has she helped Bernie in the meantime" We get one vote to cast in the primary and she is splitting the progressive vote. That doesn't help Bernie. That helps the ESTABLISHMENT and people like Biden. Regarding, "As the race gets tighter," The race is ALREADY incredibly tight. It would have really been nice to maybe get an extra point or two of support in Iowa don't you think?
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@norbertgeorge Regarding, "If you consider everything that happened so far, you can expect a lot more." I do. But this isn't some kind of innate reason for tulsi to stick around. Regarding, "You have to agree with me that it is all but helpfull for Bernie to voice an anti-regime change war" Is it nice that Tulsi goes around preaching a message of peace? Yes. It is. Is that benefit vastly outweighed by the problem of splitting the progressive vote? Not even close. Regarding, "Don't assume that all Tulsi's votes would go straigth to Bernie." I don't assume all of them go to Bernie... but she sure as fuck isn't pealing off Biden Bloomberg and establishment voters. Candidates don't operate in a vacuum and it's pretty predictable where support goes after someone drops out. They even poll people for their second preference. Who do you think Tulsi supporters are most likely to support in the even that she drop out? Regarding, "Moreover, it is a primary contest, so to hell with all who claim one having to drop out of the race for the other to benefit," Go look at your first paragraph here. "If you consider everything that happened so far, you can expect a lot more." Tulsi shouldn't be dropping out to benefit Bernie... she should be dropping out to help US. Those people that you know the establishment is trying to fuck over. Where they demonstrate they don't fight fair. That is the world we live in. We need to be UNITED as progressives if we are to win. She is running AGAINST Sanders right now. To me it seems she cares more about building her brand than helping the progressive cause. Biden didn't run in 2016 not because of his kid or some shit. He and the establishment he works for knew that splitting the vote is something to think about and a real concern. Had he run in 2016 he likely splits the corporate vote with Hillary and Bernie has the most pledged delegates at the end and history would have been very different. Let's hope Tulsi isn't fucking this up the way Biden didn't while he took one for his team.
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Do the labels really matter? It's about policy.
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What do you think is going to happen? I could use a good laugh. Note: a rigged election is still an election.
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Regarding, "What don't you get about the ONLY anti-war candidate being relevant all the way to the convention ???" Bernie Sanders preached peace in Iraq while Tulsi said get me a uniform. She still collects a check from the MIC this very moment. You are just being ridiculous.
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She's going to run against sanders in 2024 as well according to you?
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Regarding, "let her run because tbh as a Bernie supporter his minor weakness is foreign policy which is her major strength." Bernie was preaching peace in Iraq while Tulsi said get me a uniform. Candidates don't get to share votes. Progressives should be coalescing around the progressive with an actual chance of winning.
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1 candidates don't get to share delagates 2 he already has good foreign policy. if only tulsi listened to him on foreign policy... she might have avoided going to war in Iraq.
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@dumont7478 Regarding, "In a brokered convention" Planning for a brokered convention is planning to lose. Sanders NEEDS to win on the first ballot or the party has all the levers of power at their disposal. Regarding, "in 2015/16 his foreign policy was dogshit" He has been saying give peace a chance for decades even if I concede he isn't perfect. Regarding, "That was his weakness." Meanwhile the fact that he voted against the Iraq war in the wake of 9-11 and gave a speech about why it was wrong that makes him look like Nostradamus in hindsight means that foreign policy is not the problem you are claiming. Regarding, "What I really don't like about his foreign policy has to do with him giving into the state department, pentagon, cia narrative about what is going on in various countries with "socialist" leaders have domestic "problems"." He's a politician who knows that the establishment is going to do anything and everything to stop him. He has to be careful to not give them ammo unnecessarily. You are talking about words. He can be trusted when it comes to action. There's no way he is going to start unnecessary wars.
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@dumont7478 Regarding, "winning in the first round would be the easiest way for Bernie to be nominated." It's not just the "easiest." It's arguably the ONLY way he gets the nomination. Regarding, "But in calling for the only other progressive candidate to drop out in such a dismissive fashion will alienate a lot of potential Bernie supporters." When did dropping truth bombs become "dismissive." Even if it is I'm not here to hold hands and coddle people even if that is often the best way to win over sheep. The reality is that she has ZERO path to the nomination. The reality is is that every delegate (not that I think she can even get one) and more importantly every vote that she gets that would have gone to Bernie is a problem and a gift to the establishment. If pointing this out is being "dismissive" or some shit to you I honestly don't care. We are in the middle of a war and you are quibbling over hurt feelings. Regarding, "Us Sanders supporters need to be careful about consolidating the progressive bloc. That is all I mean to say." This isn't the only thing you meant to say. If this is the only thing you meant to say I'd be agreeing with you and I'd even concede that I personally could do far better at this. I get frustrated with voters voting against their interests. I get frustrated with what I see as terrible arguments and I let it get to me. But this isn't about me. It's about tulsi and what SHE should be doing and why. Sanders is running on behalf of US right now. Tulsi feels to me like she is running to build her brand at this point and throwing US under the bus to do it. And I'm a person that generally likes tulsi.
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@dumont7478 Regarding, "While he is busy "not giving unnecessary ammo" to the state apparatus, the regime change machine has carte blanche to continue their regime change narrative." And Bernie spending all his time, energy, and political capital focusing on them and saying the things you think he should be saying would have ZERO effect on this. You know what would actually have an effect on their "regime change machine," Sanders being POTUS. Regarding, "And it even legitimises certain narratives." Again... the narrative < who is potus. What really matters? Regarding, "Words matter a lot, especially from presidential candidates." While words aren't meaningless, actions > words. Regarding, "He may personally not try to get involved in foreign military adventurism, but the cia and intelligence agencies will always be pushing regime change narratives to brain wash the populace. And that narrative has to constantly be challenged." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om-x323Em0 Regarding, "This is why Tulsi Gabbard's foreign policy is so much better." She went to war while Sanders preached peace. Actions > words. That and her foreign policy proposals are tainted by a blatant conflict of interest. She collects a check from the MIC this very moment. It's like if Sanders collected a check from Aetna while advocating for M4A. Their messages would both still be correct but the conflict of interest is a red flag and reason to question their convictions on said topic. Regarding, "She challenges the phrasing of the narratives being woven." WENT. TO. WAR. PERSONALLY. Regarding, "Don't worry i am not taking this disagreement personal." Good. It's not.
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@dumont7478 One more thing regarding, "WENT. TO. WAR. PERSONALLY." And it wasn't just any war. It was the biggest foreign policy disaster of the generation.
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@dumont7478 Regarding, "that experience seems to have opened her eyes about all the lies that led to the war to begin with." Yup. Good for her. I'm happy she seemed to learn the correct message and is preaching that message. The same can be said of McCain on torture on cheney on gay rights. But as for what it says about any of their overall judgement, that they should need personal experience to come to obvious conclusions... it says something bad about all their judgement in general. I don't need to fall out of a plane to be pro-parachute if you fall out of a plane. And if it actually took me falling out of a plane to figure that out you would be wise to question my judgement in general... even if now all I want to do is go around preaching the importance of parachutes. Regarding, "I don't see Tulsi being in the military as a conflict of interest as she is constantly calling out the narrative of endless wars." It's a conflict of interest because it's a conflict of interest. If Sanders were collecting a check from Aetna it would ALWAYS be a conflict of interest because it is what it is. Even if sanders continued to preach for M4A it would still be a conflict of interest on said topic. It would always rightfully make you question if he could be trusted to follow through on those words. I would probably still support Sanders if this were the case. But I'd be supporting him in spite of such a conflict of interest. And I'd call it what it is. Regarding, "Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders are allies" Are you really so sure? You know how I know for certain Nina Turner is Bernie's ally? She is trying push him over the top and not running a campaign against him. Warren fans always called him an ally as well while she ran her campaign against him. They aren't. Candidates don't get to share votes, voters, and delegates. They are OPPOSING EACH OTHER THIS VERY SECOND and competing for the same voters in the same election. You can't fight a war against someone and be their ally at the same time.
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@dumont7478 Regarding, "I think you need to calm down." Let's not act like this is an argument shall we? Regarding, "The mere existence of another progressive does not mean they are sworn enemies at war with each other." They don't just exist. They are literally competing for the same position, voters, votes, and delegates. That's why it's a war.
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She has zero path to the nomination and splits the progressive vote to the benefit of the establishment. If she were actually an ally of Sanders she should be helping him get the nomination and not running against him.
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@DiverDan1000-3 Regarding, "Her 3% to Sanders 25% is hardly splitting the progressive vote." Of course it is. The people that support them tend to identify as progressives. I'm not saying all 3 percent go to Sanders but about 2 points isn't out of the question. And 2 points matters. How close was Iowa? Regarding, "Elizabeth Warren is the one you should be hating on." I do. But this isn't about her. This is a deflection from who we are actually talking about... tulsi. I don't even consider Warren a progressive and I've been saying that for a long time. I suspect her campaign is designed to do what I think tulsi's campaign is doing so accidentally. Regarding, "We need to hear a progressive agenda from as many people in power as possible." Tulsi can and should do this but while supporting Sanders and trying to push him over the top the same way she did in 2016. Regarding, "so that Bernie is not singled out as a radical." They already do this. Tulsi being around changes nothing when it comes to this. She can stand beside him, not run against him and you can have all the things still that you claim can only happen while she runs against sanders.
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@DiverDan1000-3 Regarding, "I think we both want the same goal." In a world and a place (the internet) with so many people who are disingenuous I have no question that we are ultimately on the same team. I tend to think that Tulsi is on the same team but I'm not perfectly convinced of it. She would go a long way of proving it to me here and now if she would just get behind Bernie and push in a world where we know the game isn't fair and he needs all the help he can get instead of opposing him. Regarding, "I just tend to think Tulsi has enough crossover appeal and influence that when she does concede, her support behind Bernie would bring even more voters his way." It would. That's why she needs to be doing this now and not later. The longer she waits the more people burn their ballots supporting her and a campaign that can't win instead of the campaign that can, should, and NEEDS to win.
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@DiverDan1000-3 Regarding, "what you are proposing is a calculation you want Tulsi to make." Yes. I want candidates to think of their causes before themselves. Is that a problem or controversial somehow? Regarding, "Since the DNC and the media has smeared/dismissed her as much as they can, what do you think the chances of these networks would bring her on anymore?" Huh? I think her chances of booking spots on corporate news would be unaffected if she were going on as a candidate they are trying to ignore just as much as her chances would be as Sanders surrogate. She might even have a better chance. Not that this is nearly as important as her effects of splitting the progressive vote in an incredibly close election where every vote and point matters. Regarding, "The only channel inviting her is Fox." I don't understand how this is being used to try and justify her campaign. Regarding, "Remember, Tulsi had a real cushy position in the DNC as co-chair...but resigned amidst pressure to support HRC." Probably one of the most endearing things she has ever done to me. Regarding, "She has a rare combination of courage, integrity and empathy." I think you are right. I question her judgement at times thou. For example you shouldn't need to go to war to realize how terrible war is. And you shouldn't have trouble understanding how important it is that progressives stand together in this moment if we are going to win. She isn't doing this... not like she did in 2016 and should be doing again. It's a problem for me and it makes me question her judgement even though I do think her heart is in the right place. Regarding, "how would you feel about a Sanders/Gabbard ticket?" I jokingly say I'd vote for Sanders/Satan because I'd for Sanders and anyone he would run with. Far too much is made of the bottom half of tickets. I would have felt far better about it before she announced her candidacy. I would have felt far better about it had she never run. I feel worse about it with every passing state in the primary. I think Sanders, should he win the primary which is the war that is easily the hardest part of becoming president, should pick someone who is currently supporting him and has his back right now to be his running mate. Someone like Nina Turner.
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@DiverDan1000-3 Regarding, "I like Nina Turner." Good. You should. I mention her because if the unthinkable were to happen to Bernie I think she would be an excellent commander in chief mostly because she demonstrates good judgement and good values. Regarding, "she has so little experience compared to Tulsi Gabbard." I do value experience but it is hardly the only thing I value. I also question what you seem to consider to be the correct kind of experience. Regarding, "House Committee on Financial Services , Subcommittee on National Security, International Development, and Monetary Policy Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion House Committee on Armed Services Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities , Subcommittee on Readiness." I'll bet without knowing for certain that there isn't a single person on any of these committees other than tulsi you would suggest should be Bernie's running mate... because your idea of what the right experience is isn't what it should be. Furthermore you act like giving peace a chance is something you need to be in a committee to realize. It takes will, principles, and convictions to stand up to the MIC... not committee experience. Regarding, "Nina doesn't have that kind of experience/insight." First hand experience to come to obvious conclusions doesn't indicate actual good judgement. Warmonger john McCain opposed torture, because he was tortured. Demon dick cheney supports gay rights, because he has a gay kid. Tulsi opposes war, because she went to war. Ultimately people with actual good judgement don't require personal experience to come to correct decisions.
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@jeroenmeester9528 Her sticking around proves she isn't a Russian asset or some shit? Seriously, this makes zero sense. Actually one of the points Hillary likes to make is that she might be a spoiler in the general and run as an independent. (actually to be fair I'm not positive Hillary has said this but some of her detractors absolutely have). Her sticking around when she has zero path to the nomination actually proves those people making that type of a point correct even if she ultimately can be trusted to not run independent in the general.
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Regarding, "I agree I should probably drop out of the race of Bernie gets her support." Seems like you do get what the problem with her is.
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@elijahbowen1599 Regarding, "Me saying she has no shot to win the nomination has nothing to do with his genuine dislike of her." She is running a campaign that is getting voters that would overwhelmingly be supporting Sanders if she weren't in it. This benefits the establishment and hurts progressives. But she is running that campaign while having no path to the nomination. It makes perfect sense if you care about getting a progressive in the WH.
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Does the truth hurt?
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Regarding, "I don't like the "why is he/she still in this race?"" You don't need to like it for it to be a valid question for someone who has zero path to the nomination. Regarding, "It's an argument that has been used against Bernie as well." Yup. In an apples to oranges comparison kind of way. When people are telling you for Bernie to get out of the way it's for inferior candidates and reasons. Asking progressives to coallese around the clear leader of the progressive movement is obviously very different than that. Regarding, "I'm really not fond of the "you should sacrifice yourself for the Greater Good" mentality." Bernie might not be your guy then. He understands it's about us.
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@ErikBongers Regarding, "I still believe that more progressive candidates help create a broader base of grass root support." Meaningless when those votes are going to a candidate who can't win. Progressives have support when it comes to policy. We need to win some elections and particularly this one. The party is a dumpster fire in large part because Hillary "won" the 2016 primary. It's why, for example, we have tom perez. Regarding, "I'm thinking here beyond the presidency." Maybe spend more time thinking about what is in front of you before getting ahead of yourself. If we don't win this election I have zero hope for the future. Regarding, "Shifting the so-called overton window may have more impact than who's president." Tulsi can try to do this WHILE supporting Sanders the exact same way she did in 2016.
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Have those friends bring friends.
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Lots of people are busy living their lives just trying to put food on the table and they are manipulated by propaganda. Not all are morons.
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Your comment should come with a triggered warning.
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