Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Bernie Unveils Plan To Cancel ALL Student Loan Debt" video.

It's not even so much the fact that Bernie's plan is far better than Warren's (and it is), it's far more that I trust Bernie to fight for his plan while Warren would just roll over and forget about hers.
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I trust she is just waiting to pick the best moment to officially endorse for maximum impact. If I'm wrong and she doesn't I will be crazy disappointed.
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Meanwhile, in reality, the policy proposals Bernie has disproportionately help minorities.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Huh? So it's not enough that his policies like criminal justice reform and legalizing weed, capping loan sharks interest rates, providing health care, providing education and more disproportionately helping minorities isn't enough? You require policies that ONLY help minorities? That seems remarkably shortsighted and idiotic.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Black people are a minority therefore everything I have said applies to them.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 If you seriously have a problem that people other than blacks will be helped in addition to the black people being helped by these things... well then you sound like a real piece of shit in all honesty.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Well, I don't have a problem with litmus tests. I think you should have them. I just personally think this is a really dumb one to have. I have them myself... like thinking medicare for all the answer and goal. I barely know much of anything about Williamson but I do know she thinks a public option, not medicare for all, is the answer. So yeah, not as progressive as bernie on that. Regarding, "Reparations must happen this election cycle." Good luck with that. Again, it's not that I'm against it, it's just that I live in reality. And in reality Williamson has no chance to win and even if she did wouldn't get reparations passed. MLK is rolling in his grave at your shortsightedness.
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I busted my ass to pay off my student debt long ago but I'm fine with this because I'm not an idiot or ass. Wait... I am kind of an ass. Still I'm all for it.
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How about we remove the raise the MIC got recently. That is more than enough to pay for it.
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And a lot of other things. But we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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We all wish you stayed in school. Then you might realize that you wouldn't be the one paying for this.
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Don't paint large groups of people with huge brushes like that. I'm old, busted my ass long ago to pay for my college, and still fucking love this plan.
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I'm pretty sure it wasn't originally Omar's idea either. Ultimately assigning credit in a world where original ideas are practically non existent isn't really relevant. Who is fighting for those ideas and who is in the best position to bring about those ideas is.
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I guess I should add that I love Omar and think she is great.
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Who are her supporters? I really do not understand them.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 No, I think you are missing the point. You are turning your back on all the good things and benefits blacks would receive from the specific things I've mentioned because they would also help other groups as well. That's why I'm calling you names. I'd do the same shit for a white guy crying that Bernie isn't offering anything that only helps white people. You want reparations? Fine. I get it. And I'd be for it personally. I also suspect that if Bernie were the dictator of the US he'd be for it and make it happen as well. But he's a politician who understands what a losing fight this is. Even if he said he was for it it would never happen because we don't elect a dictator. Instead he is making the wise political decision to focus on the good he can do that helps blacks and, sadly for you, helps others as well. You are only hurting yourself with this bullshit. And you only hurting the blacks who don't have health care, or want to go to college but can't afford it, or are in jail because of weed, and so much more... because he isn't falling on his sword for a cause that isn't going to be happening anytime soon. I'm done with this. I hope you are just a paid troll.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Regarding, "None of Bernie policies,as great as they are, closes the racial wealth gap" Meanwhile, in reality, he is trying to make the uber rich (who don't tend to be black) pay for education, health care, and more (whom blacks disproportionately have less access to). That does close the gap. I shouldn't need to explain the obvious.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 And I haven't even mentioned him wanting to raise the minimum wage. That was really dumb of me, and you, to forget about.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Don't get me wrong.... I really, really, really want to quit this and that is my intent. I just have a hard time letting stupid shit go unanswered.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Regarding, "education does not close the black-white racial wealth gap" Um... of course it does. Blacks have a harder time affording to go to college therefor universal access would disproportionately help blacks. College education equals more money, significantly more money over the course of a person's lifetime. More money that would, again, be in large part going towards black people who wouldn't be able to get that education without it. If I were one of those people, who wanted to go to college but couldn't afford it, I'd be pretty fucking pissed about the terrible reasons you are using to stand in my way as if this wouldn't help me. Just because there are other problems in the world that exist is moronic justification to think more education wouldn't help blacks. Of course it would.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Regarding, "Marianne Williamson is Medicare for all" Like I said I know almost nothing about her. But I did just get done watching a video recently where she was asked the question, "would your focus be improving the ACA or replacing it with single payer?" Somehow she managed to fuck this question up in more than one way which is pretty remarkable to me. First she advocates, in her own words, for a public option. Secondly she straight up lies about that by pretending it's single payer when it's not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOTfkxEgzGo&t=0s The time you are looking for is 8:28 in the video. Regarding, "you've insulted me 3x's.. I promise you, you would shit your pants if we was face to face.. seriously" Yup. I can be a real dick. I'm an old fuck who doesn't give a shit about stepping on toes. You can beat me up? No shit. I'm old as fuck. But that doesn't change the fact that the points I'm making are on point. You would be wise to focus on what I say rather than how I say it.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 I looked for it. The first thing that came up was, "what we got wrong about closing the racial wealth gap." and in the description it says it's about 10 myths. Is that what you are talking about? Or just post a link.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Regarding, "I want to thank you for saying, personally you would support reparations." No big deal. It's true. But I'm also not running for political office and have to worry about every thing I say being used to tear me down. If I were I'd likely avoid the shit out of this because I think it's not a battle that can be won. I'd also avoid saying voting rights need to be restored across the board for criminals even thou I think that too would be a good idea. But that didn't stop bernie on that one. I do think it stopped bernie about reparations. And even if he said he was all for it, and was elected, I'd have no illusions that I think he would be able to sign such a bill. If I were a politician I'd focus on the battles I thought I had a chance to win. That's far better than getting nothing done.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 And don't take my insults personally. I'm a cunt whose frustrated with the state of things and wants change as I suspect you do. I see Bernie as our best hope of getting change. Maybe not all of it but certainly some huge steps in the right direction. I think you would be wise to help him rather than tear him down.
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@wavegodrobsanders539 Regarding, "This could take the form of a direct race-specific initiative like a dramatic reparations program tied to compensation for the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow, and/or an initiative that addresses the perniciousness of wealth inequality for the entire American population, which could disproportionately benefit black Americans" AND/OR AN INITIATIVE THAT ADDRESSES THE PERNICIOUSNESS OF WEALTH INEQUALITY FOR THE ENTIRE AMERICAN POPULATION, WHICH COULD DISPROPORTIONATELY BENEFIT BLACK AMERICANS. Examples of this might include taking trillions from wall street and reinvesting it into education, education that would be given disproportionately to blacks. And taking money from the richest of the rich to provide health care to public, a public where a lack of health insurance disproportionately affects blacks. And taking money from the richest of the rich and making sure they give their employees enough to live on, like raising the minimum wage with disproportionately affects blacks. And taxing the rich and corporations significantly more in general to pay for social programs. This is stuff I've already talked about. All of these things would help even if none of them is going to level the playing field perfectly in and of themselves. Regarding, "According to this logic, we would expect blacks and whites with similar levels of education to display comparable levels of wealth." No, we wouldn't. The disparity of income earned between whites/blacks is a COMPLETELY independent problem. GIVING (as opposed to making them pay for outrageously expensive college education at the expense of the rich) college educations to blacks leaves them with more money in their pocket. A LOT MORE over the course of a lifetime. As for trying to make sure that it is the same as whites at the same education level is a completely different problem requiring completely different solutions. And even if we were able to magically make sure that blacks and whites all of a sudden overnight were to make the same at the same education levels that doesn't change the fact that more blacks aren't able to get that education to make that more money equal to whites. THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO BE EDUCATED AT THE SAME RATES TO GET THE SAME MONEY. Look at the figure 1. Forget for a moment about the disparities between the races and just focus on how much more blacks with a college education make compared to blacks with only high school. It's a lot and it fucking matters to those blacks who have it. Now, going back to the disparity between the races I absolutely agree that the disparity between the races at similar education levels is a crime. I'm open to ideas about addressing it. (and forgive me for repeating myself, I do that too much) But that is an independent problem altogether. Regarding, "Black students are more likely to take on student loans and accumulate student loan debt" Unless we do something about it. And if we did it would help. Regarding, "it could be argued, alternatively, that hard work can close the wealth gap." I'm not saying that, but I am saying raising the minimum wage would help. Regarding, "Martin Luther King Jr. called for a ‘bank-in’ movement." And MLK was correct in that this would help. That is not the same to thinking it would magically solve all the problems. Things like these are ways to address the problem and attack it from different angles. Let's imagine a world where hypothetically all cash wealth was overnight magically equalized in the form of reparations. Problem solved right? Wrong. Because that cash then gets put into the system, a system that still favors the powerful and those with the businesses. A system where blacks have less education. A system where the pay gap at equal educations is unbalanced. Jeff Bezos suddenly has no cash but people are still going to keep buying his shit at amazon. Solutions like the one MLK is proposing here is an effort to address one of the many, many, many problems out there. Is a comprehensive solution like the author think NIxon thought it was? Obviously not. Regarding, "continued economic penalties forced upon black workers" This makes me think of Sanders and AOC's proposal to curb the interest rates of loan sharks and predatory lenders. Regarding, "But the failure to bank black or buy black does not explain why we have a racial wealth gap of this magnitude" Of course not. There is so so so so so so so much more going on than just this. But if we ever we able to achieve "perfect equality" you would want this going on as opposed to spending your money at the walmarts and amazons of the world. Regarding, #4 saving. Saving is good advice for everyone. That said it's not like I think blacks are just being dumb not saving money. I understand you can't save what you don't have. But let's say you have an education and are making more (even if it's not as much as whites at the same level) then you hopefully are able to be saving more. And passing that down. Because wealth does create wealth. It takes money to make money. I'm writing this as I go and before I've read past the headline but the premise is bad because the notion of saving money works with all the other solutions. Of course it doesn't work in a vacuum all by itself. But if you are able to get your hands on money putting some of it away sure as fuck helps. Look at how the rich make so much of their money. They put it in the stock market and let it sit their while they cash in on dividends and don't pay taxes on it like those making their money with elbow grease. Again... it's not a solution in and of itself but it's a good idea for those with the means. I'm guessing the article is just going to tell me that they don't have the means. And now that I've read all of #4 I admit most of that went over my head. I was pretty lost there. Regarding, #5 is dumb at face value. Never thought that or anything even remotely close to it. I'm skipping it. Regarding #6 as usual they are conflating the solution offered with the problems of attaining the solution. The mention zuckerburg and bezos because those guys were able to do what the "solution" proposes. So the "solution" is fine... it worked for the rich guys who had access to the "solution." So it isn't so much a problem with the solution as it is the playing field going in to use the "solution." This is already crazy long and none of the other myths seem relevant to the things I've been saying. I'm also not going back and proofreading any of this so sorry for the typos.
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