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There is so much wrong with everything you say.
Regarding, "It was obvious who was worse" No. It really wasn't.
Regarding, "ALWAYS choose the lesser of two evils. PERIOD!" No. I won't. Because I refuse to support evil. Is it really so difficult to understand why supporting evil is wrong? Because to me that concept is pretty self-evident.
Regarding, "At least with HC some progressive agena would have succeeded." There is NOTHING progressive about Hillary and her agenda and for you to suggest there this is absurd. One of the reasons I'm actually happy with Trump being president is because sheep you will cry, whine and bitch about Trump being president but, if Hillary were president you would go to sleep and justify all the terrible shit she would be doing in office the same way Trump supporters are justifying the terrible shit he is doing.
Regarding, "With Trump, America has slid backward" America has been sliding backward for quite a long time. You know who shares a lot of the blame for that? Bill Clinton. Repeal of glass steagal, outsourcing jobs, mass incarceration with the omnibus crime bill, in general neoliberal policies. If you think America wouldn't have slid backward with a different disgrace like Hillary then you are an idiot.
Regarding, "it will take many years to see any progess now" You know another reason why I'm happy Trump is president? Because with him in office there is hope for an actual progressive president in 2020. With Hillary Clinton that would not be possible.
But you go ahead and continue to support shit as long as you think it smells better than different shit. You give them no reason to offer you anything other than shit. You fail to realize that the election of the moment isn't the only thing to think about. You need to think about every other election yet to come. And in every other election yet to come you give them no reason to try and earn your vote. They know you are going to give it to them regardless.
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Eobard regarding, "We need to beat trump." Had Trump not run he would have been considered by Hillary for VP. She went to his wedding. Trump talked to Bill immediately before announcing he was running. They are not different in any sort of meaningful way.
Regarding, "I don't want us to go to war" Do you not realize that Hillary has a 100 percent record of choosing war over peace? Hillary has said, "As President, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic, and military responses." MILITARY RESPONSES. No big deal thou. It isn't as if she wasn't currently accusing Russia of cybercrimes to distract and deflect from the fact she was caught being corrupt as fuck.
Hillary wants a no fly zone in Syria. ISIS doesn't have planes. Russia does. What is the worst thing that could happen? Other than WW3?
Regarding, "With Hillary atleast we have 8 years of peace." What are you smoking?
Regarding, "no illegal wars" Like the illegal Iraq war she voted for, with "conviction"?
Regarding, "Her foreign policy is actually one of her better areas" Not if you actually want to give peace a chance like myself.
Go "Correct the Record" elsewhere.
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We want peace and the military industrialized complex reigned in, money out of politics, transparency in government, health care for all, education for all who want it, no fracking and to protect the environment, financial reform and glass-steagal back, criminal justice reform and an end to the war on drugs, jobs and no TPP, a living wage, freedom and equality, and free and fair elections. Is that what you mean by purist? If so I guess I'm guilty.
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Pat regarding, "we would have been in world war III with Hillary" I do not agree with this. I think that under Hillary the military industrialized complex would march on but, for example, I do not think she would have started WW3 with Russia in the end. That simply would not serve the interests of the elites in the long run. That said I was never going to vote for Hillary in part because of her stance on war and peace.
Regarding, "We are better off" We shall see. Time will tell. I think these next 4 years are really going to suck but I think they are necessary so that we can get some real change for the better afterward.
I never thought we would have a black President in my lifetime. Especially not one named Barack Hussein Obama but he won because of his promise of hope and change that the country desperately crazed. Unfortunately the military industrialized complex continued, money in politics stayed, his signature piece of legislation was a Republican policy, BS in ND was turned a blind eye to, the most corrupt option available was named to succeed him, and instead, not surprisingly people voted for change again. Even terrifying change.
Trump is going to suck but he too will lead to backlash and change after him. Hopefully the democratic party offer a real option and not just lip service to the issues of the people.
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Lunch Box regarding, "Yeah and elect Donald Trump" Don't be afraid to save some blame for Hillary for sucking her entire life, some blame for Trump voters for Trump, some blame for the DNC for rigging the primary for their inferior candidate, some blame for the MSM for giving biased terrible "news" including BILLIONS of free media for Trump, some blame for the over 40 percent of eligible voters who didn't vote, and some blame for the 9 percent of democratic voters who voted for Trump. You won't though. Morons like you will blame Jill Stein voters even though if ever one of them voted for your disgrace of a candidate she still would have lost. That makes sense to brainwashed sheep.
Regarding, "You dont trow temper tantrum if you do not get ALL you want" This is fucking hilarious as you stomp your feet and whine like a petulant child because people didn't vote as you wanted them to. Hopefully the DNC gets the message that they can't take voters for granted and need to give better options going forward if they want to get support and win elections in the future.
Regarding, "Jill Stein elected donald trump" No she didn't dipshit. Had every Jill Stein voter voted for Hillary she still would have lost moron. I wish she could have gotten more votes so you could claim otherwise and still your BS claim wouldn't be true. The fact of the matter is that HILLARY CLINTON, because she fucking sucks, elected Donald Trump.
Regarding, "do not forget to tell everyone around you that will suffer under him that you stood your ground and made a protest vote that elected him" Don't forget to tell everyone around you that you are a liar and moron. That would actually be something you would say that is true for a change.
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Regarding, "The US already engages in the killing of the families of suspected terrorists." The US is currently targeting terrorists. Unfortunately there are too many (I assume, we have no real accurate number to look at for bad reasons) civilian casualties. But those are not intentional. Trump suggests targeting the families of terrorists, not because of something they have done (or he would just be saying 'you have to take out terrorists'), but because of who they share blood with. Regarding, "tell us how Drumpf's words are so appalling?" I really should not have to explain this. This should be self evident. Are you serious that you needed an explanation? Regarding, "Torture?" From wiki, "Waterboarding is considered to be torture by a wide range of authorities, including legal experts, politicians, war veterans, intelligence officials, military judges, and human rights organizations." The US tried Japanese for war crimes for waterboarding during WW2. Regarding, "Gitmo, still alive and active." Yes. This is utterly atrocious. What is your point exactly? I have trouble following you because you seem pretty dense.
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@girletherial Regarding, "Nope." Too bad for you then. Good luck being an idiot.
Regarding, "I just get sick of all the naive Warren bashers" So it's naïve to point out the many, many problems with her? For example that she will happily take legalized bribes in the general, that her record on the military is attroutious, that she didn't support a progressive like Sanders in 2016, that she didn't want to run in 2016 against Hillary but wants to run in 2020 against Sanders, that she was Republican in the 90s when she was in her 40s but now wants to claim she is a progressive which are completely opposite political ideologies, that she didn't support her fellow "natives" at the DAPL protests. And more. Is that me being naïve to you? Because if it is it's only because you are the idiot that you are.
Regarding, "and Bernie supporters. Bernie is actually my second choice" So you don't like his supporters? But you would be one if not for Warren? And that's what you have a problem with? That's what you care about? And not all the real word problems that Bernie is fighting? God damn... this is why I never wanted to address your shit intelligently. It's remarkable just how terrible the things you say are. It's tough to really do just to all the ways everything you say is terrible.
Regarding, "Warren is just smarter and more strategic" Citation need for dumb claims. Actually please don't try to justify the things you say and instead change the things you say. Sanders is the amendment king, who just helped force Amazon singlehandedly to raise their minimum wage. Who is pretty much single handedly winning the debate on health care in a world where even a majority of REPUBLICANS (you know, like WARren) support medicare for all while that topic doesn't even manage to make WARren's webpage.
Regarding, "Bernie is still the leader of the Progressive movement" So you aren't a progressive or you would be supporting him. Are you too a 90s republican? If so then yeah... warren is for you. If you are a progressive like me then Bernie is the clear choice and it isn't even close.
Regarding, "But the best movement leaders don't make the best country leaders" You really like saying things but back up absolutely nothing that you say.
Regarding, "Bernie makes people angry." Good. If you don't look at what the US is doing around the globe and you don't get pissed... well... you should be. It should piss Warren off. Instead she happily votes to give Trump extra money for bombs. How that fact doesn't piss you off makes me question your morality and your humanity.
Regarding, "We see with Trump how that works out." Your comments are just remarkably dumb. Really. No joke. As if the problem with Trump and his supporters are their anger with the status quo. It's not the corruption or the policy, it's that think total idiots. Why the fuck did I even attempt to respond this intelligently. What a fucking waste of my time.
Regarding, "Warren gives people hope!" No me. You know who does? Bernie. Because he can actually be trusted to fight the good fight while Warren can be trusted to roll over and cave to the establishment.
But good luck with all the stupid shit you have been saying. Please go work for warren if you are going to continue to be an idiot. At least get paid for being dumb if you can.
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Regarding, "America has more than 320 million people. No country with more than 300 million people has universal healthcare. None." The number of people in a country is irrelevant. The fact that America has 320 million people means that there are 320 million people to help pay for it.
Regarding, "When it comes to medical innovation, the United States is the world leader." There is nothing about health care being privatized that has anything to do with this. American can still innovate medicine and provide it to everyone at the same time.
Regarding, "with 57 percent of that coming from private industry." That private industry is profiting BILLIONS, every year, off of sick people. So what that they paid for some of this. People are still going to try and take care of the sick, as they should even without a for profit health industry that gouges us and whose sole purpose is to make money, not care for the sick.
Regarding, " I do believe we have to find a way to get affordable healthcare to every single American." I don't even know what to say about this. I find this hard to believe since you seem to think, at the same time, that doing so is the devil.
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Adkins regarding, "You didn't explain anything new." No. I didn't. I never said I did. That is why I think you are fucking moron working against progress and I have little tolerance for you.
Regarding, "To cure homelessness... (stupid point)... Do you think this is a good idea?" No. How about you try to stay on point instead of trying to change the conversation.
Regarding, "the government would seek to limit spending by forcing down payments to doctors and pharmaceutical companies" You are quick to point out your hypothetical point seem oblivious to the actual fact that private health care industries sole purpose is to make money. That isn't hypothetical like your BS talking point. A good government... like the type I want and would work for would be willing to pay health care industry providers what they are worth. They just wouldn't be willing to gouge the public the way the Martin Shreli's of the world are currently allowed to.
Regarding, "while scrutinizing treatments for cost-effectiveness." Yeah... like that isn't currently happening with the for profit private health industry. So your argument to not progress is because of something that ALREADY FUCKING HAPPENS might happen.
Regarding, "profit motives always lead to bigger cost effectiveness and control." Except this is complete bullshit because of facts. Americans pay far more for health care than anyone else in the world and it isn't even fucking close. Are you intentionally lying or just stupid?
Regarding, "There will be no patient flexibility" Patient flexibility? Are you kidding? I talk about millions uninsured. I talk about the fact that costs are out of control. I talk about results that are not as good as the rest of the world and you are talking about flexibility whatever the fuck that is suppose to mean. What? The flexibility to die if I get sick? The flexibility to go bankrupt if I get sick? Sane people don't give a fuck about this. If you are worried the government is going to be picking your doctor for you or some bullshit then I don't really know what to say other than the fact of the I currently can only go to a certain number of doctors. I can't, under my current insurance plan, go out of network. So, again, you are scared of shit that is already going on.
Regarding, "We have to fix the healthcare system but the evidence is clear govt run healthcare is not the perfect answer." There is no perfect answer and I'm not interested in waiting for one because it will never happen. The fact of the matter is that single payer is better than what we have because of the easily provable facts I've already mentioned (number insured, cost, outcomes).
Regarding, "You guys are hell bent on turning this country into a socialist paradise." Just generalized bullshit smear. I am talking about one specific issue.... health care. I even said that capitalism is just fine for most everything. But there are exceptions and, again, sick people is one of them. Only soulless fucks and brainwashed morons think getting rich off of sick people is moral and acceptable. But I guess I just think it would be a "socialist paradise" if we made a commitment to treat the sick without bankrupting millions, ignoring millions, and letting some get rich off of a BS provably shit system that is failing despite your obliviousness to it.
Regarding all of your bullshit misplaced nationalism. Just because the USA does it doesn't mean it is good. "What have they achieved?.Have these countries contributed anything to mankind?" No. Nothing. The rest of the world is worthless and only the USA has done anything even though the USA is only about 400 years old.
Regarding, "A space research?" Do you really think only the USA researches space?
Regarding, "world's best schools." As is the case with us you get the best of the best when you are rich. But I dare you to do a quick google search of something like how does the us education compare with the rest of the world. You might be surprised at what you learn.
Regarding, "I am trying to find if anything good about these nations.I couldn't." How about I give you one thing that is specific to what we are talking about.... THEY PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE TO THEIR PEOPLE WHILE WE LET MILLIONS GO WITHOUT INSURANCE.
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charley regarding, "You sure got some high ass standards dude" Yes. I do. We are talking about the most powerful position in the world. It seems to me we should have very high standards for it.
Regarding, "which is why we have Trump in the first place" We have Trump because the DNC rigged the primary, because Hillary Clinton sucks balls and worked her entire life against the interests of the people, because the people realize they are getting fucked over, want change, are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to get it, because of Trump voters, because the corporate media gave him BILLIONS in free media, and because over 40 percent of eligible voters didn't vote. You know what absolutely didn't create Trump? High standards.
Regarding, "you have the right to vote whichever way you want" Thank you. Your approval means everything to me, even when stating the obvious.
Regarding, "But politics has always been this way." Not exactly. It is getting worse. We used to have candidates that represented the people. Today we only have candidates that represent corporations and big money and when a decent candidate like Bernie comes along the entire establishment, including the "democratic" party does everything in their power to smear and crush them.
Regarding, "You're never gonna have the perfect candidate." Again, no shit. It isn't about perfection but it is about having standards. You know carney workers and their signs that say "you need to be so tall to ride"? Well I think of myself as having a sign as a voter that says, "you need to be at least so decent to get my vote." We should all have one. Sadly many don't. Many are content to pick between a douche and a turd. They are part of the problem rather than being part of the solution.
Regarding, "People like Bernie are extremely rare" No. They really aren't. They are just rare for politicians and even more rare as members of the major parties.
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Warrior regarding, "build a 3rd party," I think that we need to support 3rd parties for 2 reasons. 1 it is the escape plan should the "democratic" party have learned nothing from what is an embarrassing defeat and we do need to jump ship for good. 2 it is our leverage to help force them to change. I'm not interested in building a party but rather supporting and growing the Green Party which I see as supporting progressive values without the corporate poison and greed infecting the "democratic" party.
Regarding, "I'm not so sure that this is the answer just yet. Time will tell, and I'm certainly torn on that" I very much agree.
Regarding, "building a 3rd party movement seems like a much steeper uphill battle than the already-uphill battle of taking the Democratic Party back from corporatist neoliberals" Again I agree. I was very dismayed that Jill only got the vote she did. I really wanted and expected her to get to 5 percent. Maybe I was overestimating the public's competence.
Regarding, "It must be done carefully and deliberately," There is going to be plenty of push back. You can see it already with how the establishment is unwilling to accept any blame and instead make excuses for losing.
Regarding, "it's a bit alarming to me to see the degree of purification I'm seeing on the left in this moment." I wonder if I might be guilty of this. There are so many people that I used to like that I can't stand now. Bill Maher, John Oliver, Rachel Maddow and all of MSNBC, even Elizabeth Warren.
Regarding, "Warren and Sanders are beautifully positioned to fight effectively for us" Warren could still win my trust back but she has a lot of work to do to get it. Had she endorsed Sanders early this past election may have gone down quite different. I prefer Tulsi Gabbard because of her willingness to lead on the issue and support Sanders at great cost to herself and her position in the party. That demonstrated great leadership to me while Warren demonstrated cowardice to me. Again, she could win me back over but she has her work cut out for her to do it.
Regarding, "I think it's in our best interest to work with that." I hope that Sanders is healthy in 4 years. I do not see how the party could stop him the way they did this go around. The party can change but it will talk someone like him to do it.
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Regarding, "that's the stance that intelligent people take." Yes. Intelligent people pick their battles. I don't have the time, energy, or desire to continue fact checking all your bullshit. Especially because even when I do prove you wrong it never does any good.
Regarding, "Run from the facts" And you say shit like this. You are a real mixed bag. I want to be angry with you but when it isn't infuriating it is funny.
Regarding, "Here's a fact for you to ponder upon." You are a completely discredit source. When you say this I can assume the truth is, "Here's a lie for you to ponder upon." You don't have facts. You have bullshit, propaganda, and distortions. Time and again I've told you how you are lying. You are the kid that cried wolf at this point. Even if (likely by accident) you said something that was true I'm right to just think you are lying at this point seeing as how that is all you do.
When I said that I wasn't sure if you are paid, stupid, or a troll I have an opinion. I'd be willing to bet the house you are being paid to say stupid things and mislead people. That said get a real job. Something that doesn't involve lying to people.
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TC regarding, "This really is getting tedious." Then stop. I'm not making you do shit.
Regarding, "I think we should just respectfully agree to disagree." We can agree to disagree. That doesn't mean I'm not going to tell you why you are wrong.
Regarding, "i hate that i'm in the position to defend Chuck Todd of all people." Why do you hate it if not because he is terrible at his job?
Regarding, "I do not like MSM as much as the next guy." Clearly not... I'm the next guy.
Regarding, "Todd should only be criticized if he gave his (incorrect) talking points, presented them as facts..." So to you it is perfectly ok to frame questions disingenuously and air edited comments completely out of context as long as you give the other side a chance for rebuttal? That is batshit crazy. I know this kinda unrelated to the conversation but I was wondering if you have stopped beating your wife? It really isn't cool that you kicked the shit out of her for no reason.
Regarding, "We got bigger issues to worry about." I can walk and chew gum at the same time. One of the reasons we have all the other problems we do is because the corporate media does not give the public news. They give propaganda and work toward an agenda. An agenda that is not making the public informed (like it should be).
Regarding, "12months ago we were all complaining about media blackout of Bernie" That isn't the only thing I was complaining about at the time. Why do you think the "left" has pissed and moaned about Faux News for so long? It's because what they put on the air is garbage with a purpose to mislead and misinform. Sadly networks like MSNBC and all the others are no better.
Regarding, "now they invite him on their shows every week and we're still criticizing them" Yup. And I'm going to keep doing so as long as they keep being fucking terrible at their job. Just inviting on good people so that they can try to discredit them by asking misleading questions and showing edited, out of context film simply isn't good enough.
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Regarding, "i think if hed have gone and directly presented the evidence at the convention" If they knew he was going to he never gets in the door. If he hides it and starts saying what you want they turn the cameras off and kick him out.
Regarding, "the people would have reacted" Um, sure. People would have reacted. Would he have gotten the nomination? Only in your dreams.
Regarding, "The lawyers couldnt take down the dnc because it was never given major attention" "Major attention" is not a valid legal argument.
Regarding, "showing that there is no actual vote." But there was an actual vote and Hillary won it until you can prove otherwise, which you can't.
Regarding, "Bernie could have been the peaceful leader who gave that to us by directly speaking to the people" He could have said some shit that would have made you cum in pants but changed nothing. Instead he decided to continue the fight were it makes the most sense to fight and I support him for that because it makes sense.
Regarding, "Whatever, but i definitely wont vote for him again." I guess that makes sense to you. Like I said before, that makes you the quitter not him. The establishment appreciate and thank you for your decision.
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Mopar I want to quit you. You are so not worth the time but I concede I have a hard time letting stupid go unanswered and with you there is just so much stupid.
Regarding, "PC" You have no fucking idea what the words you are using mean do you? To a dipshit like you somebody is "PC" if they disagree with you. I am not PC. I don't give a fuck about being PC. You should be able to tell this by my original reply but you can't because you are a fucking moron. I don't give a fuck about trying to not to hurt people feelings. I care about telling it like it is. You are fucking retarded.
Regarding, "it's you that is the problem not me." Again, it is because you are dumb as fuck and a complete mental midget that you say things like this. You simply are not smart.
Regarding, "I go to work to better myself" Nobody goes to work to "better themself." People go to school to better themselves. They go to work to pay the bills and make money. You say you go to work to "better myself," because, again, you are a moron.
Regarding, "to pay for these dip shits to go play in the snow." God damn you are stupid. Do you bother to bitch at the billions of dollars of tax dollars that go to big oil and gas? Do you bother to bitch about the fact that they don't pay their fair share and as a result your moronic ass is forced to pay more? No. You know why? Because you are dumb as fuck blaming peaceful protests because you are simply not smart enough to understand the world around you.
Regarding, "how come I can't have an opinion?" You get to have an opinion. As do I. My opinion is that you are dumb as fuck. Maybe you need a safe space from me so that you can hide in it because you are a fucking hypocrite.
Regarding, "it's dumb." Yes. Your opinion is dumb.
Regarding, "They are not doing anything" The fact that the pipeline is currently stopped proves, again, that you are a moron unable to comprehend even the simplest of ideas.
Regarding, "PC... ignorant little babies who cry" This is funny while you cry like a little bitch with a skinned knee.
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Mopar regarding, "so all you can do is call names and swear." That is not all I've done. You only think it is all I've done because you are dumb.
Regarding, "prove your point." I have and you thinking I haven't only proves it further.
Regarding, "it is very ignorant that you feel the only way to better yourself is to go to school." Damn you are stupid. I never said going to school is the only way to better yourself. I talked of it as an example of a way to better yourself. Fuck you are stupid incapable of understanding simple thoughts.
Regarding, "how is that even possibly the truth." It's not. That is why I didn't say it. You don't understand the words I use because you are not smart.
Regarding, "There are many things to make you better like work ethic," A person with a good work ethic is a better person. But the act of work ethic doesn't serve to, "better myself."
Regarding, "common sense" You can't create or destroy common sense. You either have it or you don't. You obviously don't have it.
Regarding, "entrepreneurial skills." Again remember what you originally said. You said, "I go to work to better myself" Myself as in the person. It is funny you think are making a decent point here. You are in fact only proving my point that you are stupid.
Regarding, "have fun with that one" You are stupid but you are funny. I love how you think you are having a drop the mic moment but you are only proving how dumb you are.
Regarding, "so I can see you're upset so I did my job and showed exactly how you people react to a little truth or another opinion." LMAO. You think things like this because you are dumb as fuck.
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@sandiroberts6296 Regarding, "you totally misread what I said" No I didn't. You started your op with a completely idiotic statement. You then presented evidence that showed it was an idiotic statement assuming you actually believe the things you are trying to say.
Regarding, "I said if Bernie wins the primary then Biden supporters will rally." Meanwhile, in reality, we live in a world where more hillary supporters defected and didn't support obama then sanders supports defected from hillary.
Regarding, "Bernie folks were sore losers and either stayed home or voted third party." Yeah. Weird that people were pissed about all the shenanigans being done to fuck them over. It isn't that people had legit grievances, its that they were just being sore. And this is still the message the party is giving and you suck it up because you are an idiot baffled why people don't find you and your bullshit compelling.
Regarding, "Jill Stein? Really?" Really. As a person who cares about war, money in politics, the environment and other really important issues such as these she was the only candidate who actually represented me on those issues. Hillary Clinton? Really? Who never found a war she didn't like, loves fracking, loves dirty money and legalized bribes she can pretty much go fuck herself. The only thing she had going for her is that she wasn't trump. Which is why she and her campaign intentionally propped up the clown using their piped piper strategy. Because they thought having trump would scare enough people to vote for her instead of just winning them over being by being a decent human being.
Regarding, "She’s and Bernie supporters are a big reason we have that baboon in the whitehouse now." Yeah. It's their fault. Not trump supporters, or the dnc for rigging the primary, or the corporate media for giving trump billions in free media, or hillary for sucking. It's Jill Stein and Bernie supporters fault think total fucking dipshits. That's where they hold the blame.
Regarding, "the funny thing is, we are on the same side." The funny thing is... we aren't. Lucky for me I get to decide who is on my side and who isn't... not you.
Regarding, "I’m not going to fight with you." Nah. You are just going to continue to say completely idiotic shit and blame voters for not buy your particular brand of shit.
Regarding, "That’s what’s wrong with this party now." There is a reason I and many have left the party... it's a piece of shit and I happily don't identify as a democrat anymore. Lucky for me I don't live in a closed primary state so that the party would be able to blackmail into joining it so that I can vote in the "democratic" primary. There is so much wrong with the party it is truly remarkable. But me getting to decide who is on my side and telling the people who aren't my side to fuck off isn't the problem. It's people selling their souls to corporations and you telling me I should support them because of some party label. Seriously everything you say is dumb as fuck. Stop watching so much corporate media, pull your head out of your ass and stop buying their bullshit. Thanks for that in advance.
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@sandiroberts6296 Regarding, "you’re an unhappy guy aren’t you?" We are talking about politics... which means we are talking about war, climate change, the uninsured... if you talk about those things and you don't get a bit angry then you are either an idiot or not human.
Regarding, "You are JUST like Trump supporters!" One of the only things I appreciate about trump supporters is their rage. They are right to be pissed. They know they are getting fucked over. They are just too fucking stupid to realize who has it in their ass.
But yeah... I'm not like them in pretty much every other way imaginable. It kinda makes me feel like I'm not just like them. Or if I were just like them I'd probably be supporting trump wouldn't I.
Regarding, " If you don’t like my opinion, then ignore it!" You mean like you aren't doing? Do you not realize how hypocritical you are being or do you think what you are doing here is different somehow?
It's a public forum. If you don't want to be criticized don't say stupid shit.
Regarding, "Just like Trumps base, you will attack anyone that doesn’t fit with your agenda." What a nonsensical thing to say. This is what you say when you have nothing of real substance to offer.
Regarding, "YOU are the problem, not me!" Does this mean we aren't on the same side anymore according to you?
Regarding, "I didn’t attack you!" Yeah... you only tried to blame me for trump being in office. But I'm sure you meant it kindly. Again... you are a hypocrite. And stupid.
Regarding, "I will do what’s best for my country." ISIS thinks the same shit while they do what they do.
Regarding, "blame everyone else for it!" Again... two seconds you were blaming me. So much hypocrisy it practically oozes from you.
Regarding, "Consider our conversation over!" Now it's done? Too bad you don't live by your own words or you might have avoided making an ass of yourself further.
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Regarding, "why is everyone, all of sudden, critical of Russia doing this?" I feel that this is the case because of the latest evidence, because of Trump ties to russia, and because of Trump derangement syndrome. And don't get me wrong... I love Trump bashing. Fuck that guy. But it needs to be put into context. We can't forget that the bullshit he does has all been going on for a long time already. He gives an ugly face to our ugly practices. Let's use it.
Regarding, "Other coutriers like Israel and Saudi Arabia effect our elections WAY more." Meh. I'm not quite as sure but do agree that both effect our elections. I also do care for whataboutism arguments. Just because other countries do shit is not a legit reason to ignore things that are "bad." Even if I totally agree with this that wouldn't mean that it is ok for russia to fuck with our elections and for that to be ignored.
Regarding, "but who is doing the over-blowing" Like I said, in my opinion, both.
Regarding, "Russia/Putin and Trump connection has been the majority of their stories." I concede that I don't follow TYT all that much. I think it has more to do with Trump derangement syndrome than it does with russiagate. But I am speculating to a huge degree and concede I'm no expert of their coverage at large.
Regarding, "Establishment needs to people to hate Russia so they can bomb Syria... thats it." The people are fucking sheep. They don't need shit to bomb anyone these days.
Regarding, "John Bolton is currently pushing for Regime change in Syria." Bolton is scary as fuck and a disgrace to humanity. I do feel that that is being talked about to a certain degree.
TBC got stuff to do.
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@k3v1n47 Regarding, "Is it? How do you measure it?" Polls
Regarding, "How do you prove its existence?" Common sense doesn't hurt
Regarding, "Define it?" The likelyhood of a candidate's ability to win election senarios
Regarding, "What is the logic of it?" If winning is important to you, and it should be even thou, like I said it isn't everything. Then it can and should be used in certain scenarios to best use your vote.
Regarding, "it's inherent logic" Winning is important. It helps you maximize your chances of winning.
Regarding, "What makes either of these candidates, "electable"?" Are seriously new to politics? This list is so long and extensive it's almost infinite. The fact that you can't think of a single thing that might make one person more electable than another is remarkable in a terrible way. Let's say a person is a nazi. That makes them less electable... at least to me... cause I'm not a nazi.
Anyways back to your terrible question. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter, in tiny part, because I think he is more electable. As evidence of this I cite things like, he has more name recognition than tulsi. Tulsi has problems with name recognition in 2020 like sanders did in 2016. He also does better in polls. There are no polls, none even including bad polls with terrible methodology that make them useless, that have tulsi in front of sanders.
Let's say I'm wrong... and tulsi wins the primary. I'd support her in the general. I won't vote for bernie because... well it should be obvious that he wouldn't be very electable at that point. I could vote for him. I'd still thing he would be a better choice for president. But I won't. And it is because of electability. This is merely an extreme example of it.
Regarding, "What measurement can you use to show that either of them is "electable"?" Polls. Seriously. It's fucking science when done correctly.
Regarding, "Who decides before an election's first vote is cast who will win this election." No one decides. There is a reason we go and vote.
Regarding, "Clinton was considered electable in 2016, 2008." Considered by who? Not me. Oh... you mean by people with financial interests in propping her up said she was the most electable. Yeah... they are full of shit. Don't be afraid to formulate your own opinions about who is more electable than others. Or if you are going to listen to people listen to people like kyle at secular talk and not corporate propogandists for better insight.
Regarding, "And yet Trump is president." If you have a point here it is lost on me. I honestly have no fucking clue what you are alluding to. Is this back to because hillary was more electable? She wasn't. It wasn't even close. I know this because of polls. Polls showed Sanders crushing trump by about ten points. Hillary was within the margin of error of polls. Trump is president because the "democratic" party didn't pick the electable nominee.
Regarding, "Biden was Vice President for 8 years. How did "electability as you said "not capable of doing a good job" work out?" Um what? Again your point is lost on me. I suspect that's the case because it's idiotic. I'll try to address your comment but I might be missing the mark. Biden might be electable. Trump might be electable (note, he obviously was since he was elected). That doesn't mean shit to me. I'm not going to support either of them regardless of how electable or not electable they are. I reserve my support for people who are worthy of it and neither those 2, or hillary, are people that come even close to good enough to get it.
Regarding, "Electabilty, is nonsense. Random crap. A con. Bullshit. A lie." This is seriously some of the dumbest shit I have ever read and trying to explain otherwise is like explaining why water is wet. I'm seriously dumbfounded that I'd have to. There is a reason people vote for people that are running for office and not for people that aren't running. It's because electablity is a real thing. Pull your head out of your ass. Seriously.
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Regarding, "I've only been a Democrat for over 30 years" What you are trying to do here is the equivalent of Trump saying "believe me" before saying a bunch of stupid shit. And being a democrat after how they have demonstrated they hate democracy only reflects poorly upon you.
Regarding, "I get that you Bernie people love pushing this narrative that he was "cheated" out of the nomination but he wasn't." I get how you Hillary supporters and establishment fucks love to push the narrative that the elections were fair but it wasn't. Either you are fucking stupid for suggesting it is or you are being paid to regurgitate bullshit. Either way you suck at life.
Regarding, "the superdelegates have always..." The favorite argument of people trying to justify injustice throughout all of history. It has always been that way there for it is fair. Sorry but the fact that something has been has nothing to do with whether or not it is fair and only intellectually dishonest people think so.
Regarding, "In fact, the media generally went out of their way" Um no. They did not. And the media is specifically told (with a wink and a nod) by the DNC to not cover superdelegates AT ALL til the convention. Still they do it, still the DNC doesn't call them on it, and still the DNC doesn't require superdelegates to not disclose who they are supporting til the convention because THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT.
Regarding, "Clinton finished 2016 with 55% of all votes cast in Democratic primaries to Sanders' 43%." Yup. And if we had free and fair elections you would really have a great point here. But the fact of the matter is that we do not have free and fair elections therefor your "point" is FUCKING MEANINGLESS.
Regarding, "As far as California, Sanders could've won every vote in the primary - 100% - and he still would've wound up short of Clinton's delegate total" That is absolutely not true. You are a fucking liar or, at the very best, incompetent at math. Well, that isn't true. Actually I think you are a fucking liar and incompetent at math.
Regarding, "anyone with basic math skills" Says the guy who has demonstrated they lack basic math skills.
Regarding, "Sanders knew the rules of the Democratic Party's nomination process when he ran for president" Yes he did. That is not the same as it being fair. And that ignores the fact that the "democratic" party broke their own fucking rules. "the Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process." Seeing as how that never happened everything you are saying is fucking garbage.
Regarding, "special treatment" You think I want special treatment? I don't. I want free and fair elections and the DNC made sure I didn't get it from the start of the process to the finish. They considered Hillary Clinton to be their presumptive nominee in March 2015 according to internal memos and worked to make it happen to the detriment of Bernie Sanders.
Regarding, "are short on facts and long on conspiracy theories." That is pretty fucking funny coming from you considering the facts are not on your side. Why was Debbie Wasserman Shutlz fired from the DNC? And who replaced her? You are correct that there was a conspiracy but it was proven to be more than a theory thanks in part to wikileaks.
Regarding, "All it takes is a little research" All it takes is a little research to realize the game was rigged from start to finish. The fact that you don't realize it either makes you an idiot or paid shill working to "correct the record," but either way you suck.
Regarding, "Now go educate yourself about how elections work and stop the fucking whining." Actually I'm whining because I am educated to how elections work in our country.
http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/
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Wow. Just wow. So. Much. Stupid.
Regarding, "You might want to check our intelligence agencies which have asserted that this is exactly what happened." I am quite aware that they have asserted that this is exactly what happened. But I didn't ask for assertions. I asked for proof and you have provided NONE. Those same agencies asserted that Iraq had WMD as well. So. Fucking. Funny. I provide proof and you call me a conspiracy theorist. I ask for proof and you provide none while claiming you hold the high ground. I think I get dumber talking to you.
Regarding, "ample evidence" Holy shit am I talking to Donna Brazile? Is there ample evidence. Ample evidence. Ample evidence. But there is ZERO evidence. You can provide nothing other than the word of people who there is ample evidence to believe are full of shit. And if you are Donna Brazile I would just like to say that you can go fuck yourself even more than if you are just some random dipshit.
Regarding, "one conspiracy has been proven while the so-called "rigging" of the campaign in favor of Sanders has not." I really have no idea why I am wasting my time talking to you at this point. You cannot possibly believe the bullshit you say do you? Again, you have proven nothing. Just saying there is ample evidence is not the same as providing evidence. And if the DNC did not rig things then why was Debbie Wasserman Shultz force to resign? And then the person who replaced her, you, Donna Brazile fed Hillary Clinton debate questions. When the DNC was taken to court their lawyers DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO CLAIM THEY DIDN'T RIG IT. Instead they argued in court that it was their RIGHT TO RIG IT and that the party had no responsibility to be fair. You are a fucking joke but not funny.
Regarding, "And what other party was I going to vote for that wouldn't help Donald Trump in 2016?" I would like to again point out that the candidate you voted for, Hillary Clinton, intentionally elevated Donald Trump. SHE LITERALLY HELPED DONALD TRUMP IN 2016 to try and make herself look good in comparison. And now you want to sit here and talk about how Trump has you pissing yourself so bad you had to vote for the candidate that helped make him the nominee. You are exactly why she did it because she knew that you are such an easy to manipulate sheep that you are happy to vote for evil... just as long as you can think it is the lesser evil. You would have been happy to vote for Trump were he the "democratic" nominee (it is not that hard to imagine, he was a self described democrat not long ago) as long as your bitch ass thought the republican were worse.
Regarding, "Our military..." Our military was already spending as much as the next 7 countries in the world combined but morons like you think they need more because you are epic stupid and happy to support the military industrialized complex. You clearly are pissing yourself about how terrible Trump is but you think giving him more money for bombs makes sense because you are retarded.
Regarding, "so do all the "I won't vote for the lesser of two evils" perfectionist" Only a mental midget like you thinks that not voting for evil is requiring perfection.
Regarding, "And no, you aren't smart -- not in the least bit." Of course you think this because you are a fucking moron. I would hate for you to think I am smart because you have managed to get literally everything wrong.
Regarding, "I don't want people like you trying to influence MY Democratic Party because..." Let me finish this for you. Because you are FUCKING STUPID. I was a lifelong democrat. I voted for Obama twice. You really should care what I think because the bottom line is that if you actually care about winning elections you need people like me to win. But clearly you are not going to get my vote anytime soon so enjoy Trump in 2020. At least I don't get to influence your party and you get to keep your superdelegates. I hope it was worth it.
Regarding, "Women, gays, minorities, religions that aren't Christian -- they all are under attack by the current administration and you need to own up to playing a part in that. My conscience is guilt free." Of course your conscience is guilt free. You voted for Hillary Clinton. The wars she has supported have ended womens lives all across the globe. She opposed gay rights as recently as 2013 til it became politically convenient to flip-flop. She worked to address the "superpredetor" problem by working to lock up a disproportionate amount of minorities. The wars she supported were all in countries with religions that aren't Christian. But your conscience is guilt free because you are a dipshit who voted for a candidate that has worked her entire life against the people you just claimed to care about.
Regarding, "you seemingly need to invent conspiracies" You say this as if you offered a rebuttal to the points I made. The fact of the matter is that you didn't say shit. You just act like saying it is BS over and over that is like proving it is BS. It isn't. Too bad you aren't smart enough to realize the difference.
Regarding, "go fuck yourself for being so easily manipulated and so ignorant of politics" No. You need to go fuck yourself. All you have done is spout bullshit. You literally make everyone you talk to dumber when you talk. You are a disgrace to the human race and you should be ashamed of yourself. It is sad you are not but I'm not sure why I expect more. You can't even do simple math for fucks sake. You probably think 2+2=5.
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Regarding, "A kid in his twenties, that's who." You can't even accidentally say something that is true. I mean you think that considering with how much you say you would occasionally get something right but you don't. I only wish I were in my 20s because that happened a long, long time ago.
Regarding, "no better than the know-nothing Trump voters." Says the guy who would have voted for Trump if he were the "democratic" nominee. Try not lie to yourself about it. Deep down you know it is true.
Regarding, "There's your evidence." Wow. Really compelling. You have an anonymous source and absolutely nothing concrete to point at. Just an article that boils down to "trust us" when I have good reason to be skeptic. But I'm the conspiracy theorist. That makes sense to small minds like you.
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/
Regarding, "Point me in the direction of voter fraud investigations that have been launched against people who changed votes or tampered with voting machines against Sanders because that's what rigging is." Still you can't say something that is accurate. You don't even possess the knowledge of what words in the English language mean. What you are talking about is election fraud. Those are the words intelligent people use to describe what you are talking about. I think you realize this and are just lying to make your case. Then again it might be that you are just too fucking stupid to know what the words you are using mean. Either way you suck at life.
This is what rigging actually means, "to manipulate or control usually by deceptive or dishonest means." To rig an election.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rig
As for an example of the DNC manipulating or controlling the primary through deceptive or dishonest means here are a couple.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wikileaks-emails-show-dnc-favored-hillary-clinton-over_us_57930be0e4b0e002a3134b05
And there are plenty other examples of proof of them putting their foot on the scale that doesn't just amount to hearsay like you think is proof.
Regarding, "I didn't want an independent socialist to be my candidate for the Democratic Party's nomination" I hate to point out nuance to you because you are clearly incapable of the type of thinking that is required to understand it but he is a democratic socialist. And you don't have to want Bernie or treat him fair but it also isn't as if you have a charter and your own rules that say you are going to be fair. Do you understand the difference? It really isn't that hard to comprehend and I think that even a moron like you is capable of telling the difference.
Regarding, "the Democratic party isn't socialist either." Weren't they the party that brought about social security. You do realize that was socialism right?
And if the DNC weren't interested in giving Bernie a fair shot they had the right to tell him to fuck off at the start. But they didn't and as soon as they let him run they had a responsibility to be fair and impartial while conducting their primary that uses everyone's tax dollars. But they were not, they rigged it, and all the evidence backs it up. Federal Judge William Zloch, "the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent." Um, yeah. No shit. Everyone with a functioning brain knows it.
Regarding, "Goodbye and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And stay the fuck out while you're at it." Hillary said essentially the same thing last election. Good plan. But you fucks don't share any of the blame for Trump. Too fucking funny. It's kind of my fault for thinking you are capable of saying anything smart. I mean you can't even do simple math or operate a calculator correctly for fucks sake.
Don't be afraid to fuck off. I'm tired of listening to all the stupid things you say and fear this discussion is making me dumber.
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@zach8025 Regarding, "we’ve never experienced such complete corruption throughout an administration as what’s taking place right now." Except for pretty much every president in my lifetime and I'm old as dirt. Trump isn't even the worst president this century. GWB is.
Regarding, "Mitch McConnell started the ball rolling" Really? That ball wasn't rolling a long time ago? Or maybe you are whitewashing terrible people like, for example, newt gingrich.
Regarding, "I find him to be one of the worst bad actors in dismantling democracy." How about pelosi? And DWS? And the entire party who conspired to do anything and everything to stop Sanders from the nomination?
Regarding, "you take a good look at all the criminals Trump has put in place" Yeah. They were criminals long before trump and tend to all be recycled rejects from previous corrupt administrations.
Regarding, "own personal gains" How much is Hillary worth these days? What did she do to accrue all that wealth? The clintons were suppose to be millions in debt while they were in the WH because Bill had to pay for all his lawyers. So how did Hillary become rich as fuck while working in "public service?" Stop acting like Trump is a unique terrible. You do everyone a disservice when you do.
Regarding, "The rampant disregard for the future of our country and world at large." Trump is fucking terrible but you know what I can say about him that I can't about the previous presidents, especially Obama? 0 new wars under trump. I'll bet the world at large appreciates that far more than they give a shit about mean tweets.
Regarding, "The pardons of those who have been tried and convicted for crimes done in association with Trump’s own campaign." While terrible this is nothing new. Scooter Libby.
Regarding, "we have pulled back a whole new era of knowingly, wantonly and, with malice of doing wrong." New era? We were at war with everyone, before trump. Racist cops worked with impunity, before trump. Flints water was poison, before trump. The ironically called "land of the free" imprisoned more of the worlds population and the highest percentage of people in the world, before trump. Corruption was rampant, before trump. Millions didn't have health insurance, before trump. Stop acting like any of this shit is new. There is literally NOTHING new about trump and his terrible.
Regarding, "America today is pitied for what she has become. The world doesn’t respect America." No shit. As if any of this is new. Good for the world. Fuck the US. Who is the greatest sponsor of terror in the world and is the worlds greatest threat to peace and has been long before trump.
Regarding, "The world literally laughed and mocked Trump." I'm sure they won't mock the terrible piece of shit whose brain is rotting in their corrupt head. (FYI I'm talking about biden here) I'm just kidding. Of course they will. As they should.
Look.... I don't care if you want to tell people why trump is terrible. But I care when you pretend this shit is new. It's not. Not even close.
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@zach8025 Regarding, "We obviously differ on what we perceive as blatant and rampant corruption." Which is really sad. It really isn't the type of thing we get to have an opinion about.
Regarding, "please tell me when a Senate Majority Leader said, and followed through with blocking everything by never even allowing bills to be brought before the senate for voting?" Is this where you want to move the goalpost to now? I thought it was all about how trump is a unique evil. Is it now mitch is a unique evil? Mitch was doing this shit BEFORE trump was elected. You are proving my point that the problems were around before trump with this.
Regarding, "Describe to me all the presidents who have not divested?" Pretty much every president in my lifetime other than carter. Clinton and Obama weren't self described billionaires entering office who needed to do this. But both are rich as fuck now. Where did they get all their money?
Regarding, "Put their family in white house positions" Legacies in politics include the bushes on the "right" and the kennedys on the "left."
Regarding, "Which AG got involved with..." You really think this is the first POS AG in history? LMFAO.
Regarding, "Did the president’s bidding..." You really think this is the POS AG who was a partisan hack doing the president's bidding? LMFAO
Regarding, "Lied" This is the first time an AG was a liar? LMFAO
Regarding, "Authorized the attack on peaceful protesters" You must be young enough to have lived through Obama and Biden watching DAPL protestors have their constitutional rights trampled right?
Regarding, "expecting you to be honest" LMFAO. You don't give a single example of me saying anything untrue. I can go on and on but I have real tough time taking you seriously.
Regarding, "hyperbole of past administrations" LMFAO. Yeah... you are impossible to take seriously. I feel bad for you. I think you are well intentioned which is far more than I can say for most idiots on the internet. But you blame the wrong people. Much like republicans blame immigrants or soros and other stupid shit... you blame trump for the shit show that is. All of the rot in this country was around long before trump. But at least now you are starting to wake to the rot. That's why the establishment hates trump. Not because he is sadistic, or evil, or corrupt... but because he gives the ugly policies of the US an ugly face. He gets you pissed off about all the things wrong with the country even if you should have been pissed long ago. They would rather have Obama at the helm. Then when the US expands war, income inequality explodes, kids are put in cages (that started under obama and was only put on steroids under trump), millions go without insurance, mass incarceration and more is happening you just sleep through it while it happens.
Regarding, "the volume of criminals" It's almost like you know I'm right but won't admit it. More is not different... it's just more of the same. If my problem is rice and I don't like to eat it and you give me a plate of it... it sucks and I'm not happy. If you give me more rice... I don't care. Why should I? I'm looking for different.
Regarding, "Maybe you should have gotten off your ancient ass a long time ago" You want to blame me? LMFAO. Really? That's even stupider than trump supporters blaming immigrants for this countries problems. I didn't even know such a thing was possible.
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@WizardOfWor Regarding, "As I've said before MANY TIMES NOW, Biden isn't even my favorite. How many times must I keep repeating myself? I'm only concerned on what's best for the country in general." So in thought experiment land this =As I've said before MANY TIMES NOW, Hitler isn't even my favorite. How many times must I keep repeating myself? I'm only concerned on what's best for the country in general.
Regarding, "Dude, I voted for Bernie for the Democratic nominee, even though he had a lesser chance of getting the nomination." So... Dude, I voted for Bernie for the Democratic nominee, even though he had a lesser chance of getting the nomination. Vote for Hitler.
Regarding, "I'd never support Satan (Trump) or "Hitler"" Huh? You'd never support Satan, Trump, or hitler? Why am I to believe this? Where is this reflected in anything you have said previously? Everything you have said can be used to rationalize supporting ALL OF THEM. INCLUDING HITLER. Because that's where a lesser of two evils argument goes when you use a reductio ad absurdum argument... which is what I did even though I doubt you understand what I was doing.
Regarding, "I'm living in reality while you're living in fantasy land." I am in fantasyland for trying to address you intelligently. But you are so far gone you can't admit being a hypocrite while it's put right in your face and you can't answer simple questions. Well... I guess you did. Just not in an intellectually honest sort of way. But prove me wrong. What have you said that should lead me to believe you won't support hitler in hitler vs satan? When on the contrary EVERYTHING you have said says you would be all about hitler.
Regarding, "You don't know me at all." Even the things you have said here? They don't count... like... at all?
Regarding, "How do I make everyone dumber?" By, in part, not understanding that I just answered this very question and not being smart enough to realize it. By advertising and advocating for a philosophy that could be used to justify and rationalize supporting hitler and failing to realize that it doesn't while doing. And so much more. Go back and read everything I've already read. I've covered this.
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@WizardOfWor Regarding, "now you're referring to BIDEN as Hitler." No. I'm not. I made it clear that I made a hypothetical situation up. You are impossible to take seriously.
Regarding, "Why don't you explain to me & everyone else who you think we should vote for then, Mr. Expert?" Anyone that you think is GOOD. Anyone that you aren't conceding is EVIL. Being a sexual predator is disqualifying.
I guess I should add that this is you in my hypothetical... Why don't you explain to me & everyone else who you think we should vote for then, Mr. Expert? Vote Hitler. That's you. Because all you are doing and have done is advocate for a lesser of two evils. That's it. And don't you think hitler is worse than Satan? Of course you do... so you would support hitler.
Regarding, "Again, tell me & everyone else who we should vote for that's going to better this country for citizens, the economy, etc.? What other valid options are there as to which we can't re-elect Trump? Name them. And again, don't twist my words to & say that I'm calling you a Trump supporter."
So, in hypothetical, "Again, tell me & everyone else who we should vote for that's going to better this country for citizens, the economy, etc.? What other valid options are there as to which we can't re-elect Satan? Name them. And again, don't twist my words to & say that I'm calling you a Satan supporter."
You advocate for a lesser of evils. That's it. Whether you realize it or not. That's me "twisting your words?" That's you calling you out for your bullshit. Hitler is less evil than Satan. You would support him in my hypothetical. Lie all you want. You would support Hitler.
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@WizardOfWor Regarding, " you NEVER addressed me seriously, intelligently & "nicely" until now." You proved me right by not started. You proved me wrong to ever start. You were always hopeless. This was always a waste of time.
Regarding, "I started to call people names because you & others were the ones who were repeatedly disrespecting me, & I've had enough." Hypocrites always have rationalizations for their hypocrisy. Why what they are doing is different. Ultimately they are just hypocrites. But even some hypocrites are intellectually honest enough to admit it when they are being a hypocrite. You offer excuses and rationalizations.
Regarding, "Once again, you don't know me or my life. Period." Just repeating stupid shit doesn't make it true. You might have noticed this about me but I can be kind of a dick. I wouldn't even try to contend otherwise. It's like you could know something about me by talking about me. I for example know that you are a hopeless idiot. Even after pointing out why this type of statement is absurd you repeat it. You prove you are hopeless and incapable of learning.
Regarding, "You're one of the most nastiest, rudest people I've ever debated. That's saying a lot." OnCe AgAiN, yOu DoN't KnOw Me Or My LiFe. PeRiOd.
Regarding, "If you don't want to debate with people like myself properly & in a nicer way, don't even bother replying, because you're wasting MY time." Your time is less than worthless. Time you spend addressing me is time you aren't busy making someone else dumber. And you are funny to talk to for the same reasons I find flat earthers funny to talk to.
Regarding, "And that's ALL you had to say." It was essentially the exact same point the original poster was making. The one that made your brain melt the same way bidens brain is melting.
You think you are entitled to my time... or my respect. You aren't. You are part of the problem. If only I thought you weren't hopeless. I might have bothered to try to be convincing instead of rude. It's frustrating sharing the globe with people like you. It's like I'm living in Idiocracy except if I were in that movie my president would actually be better than the one I have. Commacho was dumb but he wasn't evil.
Regarding, "The woman accusing him has changed her story multiple times. It's supposed to be "Innocent Until Proven Guilty", NOT the other way around. Not every man is guilty." Biden is a clown but he gets one thing right... if you think he did it you shouldn't vote for him. I think he did it. Your innocent until proven guilty sounds cool but we aren't talking about the standard for him to go to jail... he is being vetted for POTUS. To suggest that my standards for getting my POTUS vote should be the same as my standards for saying he should be in jail cell... is, as is everything you say, asinine.
Regarding, "Not every man is guilty." Look at how comfortable Biden is making women uncomfortable ON CAMERA. It doesn't take much convincing that a person who demonstrates they don't understand and respect people's boundaries might have done such a thing.
Even if he didn't he still sucks. As a person and as a candidate. He, as is the majority of the "democratic" party, is corrupt as fuck. And I don't care to hear your latest corporate media talking points rationalize their suck. Not that I think you would even try to do so intelligently. Just more mindless garbage.
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Sandy regarding, "not realistic," We have a Republican President, the Republicans control the house and senate, and the democrats are all corporation sellouts. Nothing that is worth a shit is realistic these days, in part because these "representatives" are happy to use the revolving door to make themselves rich.
Regarding, "they make millions" Give ex presidents 1 mil a year and if they are not happy with that then they can go ahead and not run for the job going forward.
Regarding, "citizens united is the issue" This is a huge part of the problem but it is hardly the only problem with money in politics. Money in politics was a problem before this... after it is worse thou.
Sandy regarding, "public financing" We have it... just not the way it should be.
Regarding, "2 mos campaign" I think campaign season is way too long but this sounds like an over-correction in my opinion. That said we definitely agree it is too long currently.
Regarding, "rank choice voting" This is a no brainer and is desperately needed. I'm not sure it is any more realistic that what I proposed... again you have to consider the powers that be these days. They are not going to let anything good like this happen either. Still I am happy you mentioned it and I'm not going to call it unrealistic other than to make a point about your statement of me being unrealistic.
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