Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Emma Talks Biden, Bernie and Warren On HILL TV" video.

I find it very difficult to find common ground with the right and anyone who would call themselves a republican. That said I do find their is common ground in wanting to get money out of politics. We disagree on almost everything other than the fact that we both agree our politicians are corrupt and bought.
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@charlesandrews2360 Regarding, "70% of Americans agree with Bernie Sanders' Progressive Policies. Let's start with that." Why would we start there? I'm talking to a guy on the opposite side who maybe doesn't agree with sanders entire platform... but I am talking to a guy that I know I have common ground with even if not everything so I'm going to start there when talking to him. Starting by trying to get them to work with me on shit they don't support is a recipe for failure. Not only that but money in politics is the overarching problem that makes all other problems all but impossible to solve. Problems like health care, perpetual war, criminal justice reform, and pretty much every problem other than money in politics is impossible to solve because of the money in politics. So again it makes logical sense to try and address this first. Regarding, "You misspelled there" Yup. I make honest mistakes. You don't even seem like you are trying when you don't bother to use punctuation. And punctuation is a must if you want to be able to accurately convey a message. That's why you fail and me misspelling a word is irrelevant.
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I find it funny that you start with a terrible premise such as "biden is the best chance to skunk trump" and then give reasons why sanders is the better general election candidate. I mean if you actually think Sanders supporters won't support biden but biden supporters will support sanders you should logically think Sanders is the best chance to beat trump. I can only assume you came to the conclusion you did for the reason you cite because you were dropped on your head as a child.
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Or most likely you were just packing in your standard moronic smears of bernie and his supporters without realizing they contradict themselves.
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@sandiroberts6296 Regarding, "you totally misread what I said" No I didn't. You started your op with a completely idiotic statement. You then presented evidence that showed it was an idiotic statement assuming you actually believe the things you are trying to say. Regarding, "I said if Bernie wins the primary then Biden supporters will rally." Meanwhile, in reality, we live in a world where more hillary supporters defected and didn't support obama then sanders supports defected from hillary. Regarding, "Bernie folks were sore losers and either stayed home or voted third party." Yeah. Weird that people were pissed about all the shenanigans being done to fuck them over. It isn't that people had legit grievances, its that they were just being sore. And this is still the message the party is giving and you suck it up because you are an idiot baffled why people don't find you and your bullshit compelling. Regarding, "Jill Stein? Really?" Really. As a person who cares about war, money in politics, the environment and other really important issues such as these she was the only candidate who actually represented me on those issues. Hillary Clinton? Really? Who never found a war she didn't like, loves fracking, loves dirty money and legalized bribes she can pretty much go fuck herself. The only thing she had going for her is that she wasn't trump. Which is why she and her campaign intentionally propped up the clown using their piped piper strategy. Because they thought having trump would scare enough people to vote for her instead of just winning them over being by being a decent human being. Regarding, "She’s and Bernie supporters are a big reason we have that baboon in the whitehouse now." Yeah. It's their fault. Not trump supporters, or the dnc for rigging the primary, or the corporate media for giving trump billions in free media, or hillary for sucking. It's Jill Stein and Bernie supporters fault think total fucking dipshits. That's where they hold the blame. Regarding, "the funny thing is, we are on the same side." The funny thing is... we aren't. Lucky for me I get to decide who is on my side and who isn't... not you. Regarding, "I’m not going to fight with you." Nah. You are just going to continue to say completely idiotic shit and blame voters for not buy your particular brand of shit. Regarding, "That’s what’s wrong with this party now." There is a reason I and many have left the party... it's a piece of shit and I happily don't identify as a democrat anymore. Lucky for me I don't live in a closed primary state so that the party would be able to blackmail into joining it so that I can vote in the "democratic" primary. There is so much wrong with the party it is truly remarkable. But me getting to decide who is on my side and telling the people who aren't my side to fuck off isn't the problem. It's people selling their souls to corporations and you telling me I should support them because of some party label. Seriously everything you say is dumb as fuck. Stop watching so much corporate media, pull your head out of your ass and stop buying their bullshit. Thanks for that in advance.
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@sandiroberts6296 Regarding, "you’re an unhappy guy aren’t you?" We are talking about politics... which means we are talking about war, climate change, the uninsured... if you talk about those things and you don't get a bit angry then you are either an idiot or not human. Regarding, "You are JUST like Trump supporters!" One of the only things I appreciate about trump supporters is their rage. They are right to be pissed. They know they are getting fucked over. They are just too fucking stupid to realize who has it in their ass. But yeah... I'm not like them in pretty much every other way imaginable. It kinda makes me feel like I'm not just like them. Or if I were just like them I'd probably be supporting trump wouldn't I. Regarding, " If you don’t like my opinion, then ignore it!" You mean like you aren't doing? Do you not realize how hypocritical you are being or do you think what you are doing here is different somehow? It's a public forum. If you don't want to be criticized don't say stupid shit. Regarding, "Just like Trumps base, you will attack anyone that doesn’t fit with your agenda." What a nonsensical thing to say. This is what you say when you have nothing of real substance to offer. Regarding, "YOU are the problem, not me!" Does this mean we aren't on the same side anymore according to you? Regarding, "I didn’t attack you!" Yeah... you only tried to blame me for trump being in office. But I'm sure you meant it kindly. Again... you are a hypocrite. And stupid. Regarding, "I will do what’s best for my country." ISIS thinks the same shit while they do what they do. Regarding, "blame everyone else for it!" Again... two seconds you were blaming me. So much hypocrisy it practically oozes from you. Regarding, "Consider our conversation over!" Now it's done? Too bad you don't live by your own words or you might have avoided making an ass of yourself further.
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Nah. Don't get me wrong "electability" is overemphasized, overused, and misused by the corporate media but its a real thing and real to people. It is also a logical argument to use when calculating who you vote for. The problem is that when people calculate it wrong and/or only care about without bothering to think about whether or not someone should be elected first. But let's say I have two candidates that I like, that I think would make a pretty good president, as is the case of my thinking about Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard. Well then I am to consider electability. Because even if winning isn't everything it's still really important and something to be considered. But only after you have concluded you think they would do a good job if they get it. I don't care about Biden's "electability" anymore than I care about trump's "electability" because neither are worthy of the job.
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@k3v1n47 Regarding, "Is it? How do you measure it?" Polls Regarding, "How do you prove its existence?" Common sense doesn't hurt Regarding, "Define it?" The likelyhood of a candidate's ability to win election senarios Regarding, "What is the logic of it?" If winning is important to you, and it should be even thou, like I said it isn't everything. Then it can and should be used in certain scenarios to best use your vote. Regarding, "it's inherent logic" Winning is important. It helps you maximize your chances of winning. Regarding, "What makes either of these candidates, "electable"?" Are seriously new to politics? This list is so long and extensive it's almost infinite. The fact that you can't think of a single thing that might make one person more electable than another is remarkable in a terrible way. Let's say a person is a nazi. That makes them less electable... at least to me... cause I'm not a nazi. Anyways back to your terrible question. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter, in tiny part, because I think he is more electable. As evidence of this I cite things like, he has more name recognition than tulsi. Tulsi has problems with name recognition in 2020 like sanders did in 2016. He also does better in polls. There are no polls, none even including bad polls with terrible methodology that make them useless, that have tulsi in front of sanders. Let's say I'm wrong... and tulsi wins the primary. I'd support her in the general. I won't vote for bernie because... well it should be obvious that he wouldn't be very electable at that point. I could vote for him. I'd still thing he would be a better choice for president. But I won't. And it is because of electability. This is merely an extreme example of it. Regarding, "What measurement can you use to show that either of them is "electable"?" Polls. Seriously. It's fucking science when done correctly. Regarding, "Who decides before an election's first vote is cast who will win this election." No one decides. There is a reason we go and vote. Regarding, "Clinton was considered electable in 2016, 2008." Considered by who? Not me. Oh... you mean by people with financial interests in propping her up said she was the most electable. Yeah... they are full of shit. Don't be afraid to formulate your own opinions about who is more electable than others. Or if you are going to listen to people listen to people like kyle at secular talk and not corporate propogandists for better insight. Regarding, "And yet Trump is president." If you have a point here it is lost on me. I honestly have no fucking clue what you are alluding to. Is this back to because hillary was more electable? She wasn't. It wasn't even close. I know this because of polls. Polls showed Sanders crushing trump by about ten points. Hillary was within the margin of error of polls. Trump is president because the "democratic" party didn't pick the electable nominee. Regarding, "Biden was Vice President for 8 years. How did "electability as you said "not capable of doing a good job" work out?" Um what? Again your point is lost on me. I suspect that's the case because it's idiotic. I'll try to address your comment but I might be missing the mark. Biden might be electable. Trump might be electable (note, he obviously was since he was elected). That doesn't mean shit to me. I'm not going to support either of them regardless of how electable or not electable they are. I reserve my support for people who are worthy of it and neither those 2, or hillary, are people that come even close to good enough to get it. Regarding, "Electabilty, is nonsense. Random crap. A con. Bullshit. A lie." This is seriously some of the dumbest shit I have ever read and trying to explain otherwise is like explaining why water is wet. I'm seriously dumbfounded that I'd have to. There is a reason people vote for people that are running for office and not for people that aren't running. It's because electablity is a real thing. Pull your head out of your ass. Seriously.
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@k3v1n47 Regarding, "Clinton was ahead in the polls vs Sanders." This is empirically false based on polls in the immediate wake of the general election. Seriously. This is just straight up bullshit. If you are referring to other polls... like polls done closer to when sanders entered the race and before people got to know who he was... so what. You are misunderstanding the nature of "electability." It isn't a stagnant thing that doesn't change. It's not a number assigned to you at birth. It changes. Let's say someone goes and kills someone. It would also kill their "electability." Because it is a real thing and because duh. I am not going to continue to address the rest of your shit. I am glossing over it and holy shit are you stupid. You give flat earthers something to look at and laugh at.
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@k3v1n47 Holy shit. No joke. You are an imbecile. Good luck with that.
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@k3v1n47 Seriously. Really dumb.
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@k3v1n47 The worst thing about stupid people is that they are too stupid to realize they are stupid. You are the living embodiment of the dunning-kruger effect.
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@k3v1n47 Seriously. No joke. You are a fucking idiot.
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@charlesandrews2360 We don't even seem to have common language. I use English.
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