Comments by "Clint Holmes" (@clintholmes2061) on "Jordan Challenges IN-DENIAL Corporate Democrats" video.

  1. I want to be able to support one of the major parties. Sadly it doesn't seem like that is going to be happening anytime soon. Green Party you will have my support unless something changes.
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  2. liz regarding, "it's not going to come from 2 outsiders in positions without power." Whoever wins the democratic nomination in 2020 will have great power. If they are a good person like Bernie I would support them. If they are a corporate stooge like Tim Kaine I will vote Green. Regarding, "If you think Bernie has leverage through the people you're wrong" The people have great power if only they used it better. Sadly the people are very good at voting against their own interests. Regarding, "leverage Hillary had on him" The leverage Hillary had on him was Donald Trump's existence. Bernie didn't want Trump to win. He feared splitting the left, allowing Trump to win, and being blamed for it. I disagree with his decision but I get it. I wouldn't want to be blamed for Trump winning either. He fucking endorsed her and campaigned for her and still the corrupt MSM is blaming him.
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  3. Warrior regarding, "The Democratic Party is a graveyard for progressive ideals." I certainly tend to agree, especially with the party as it is right now. That said I think the party is capable of reform should they get a transcendent leader going forward. I expect Sanders will run again in 4 years if he is healthy enough and if he does he is the type of person I would support. I am a big believer that a person is always going to be far more important than their party label. The democratic establishment will do everything they can to prevent anyone who threatens the establishment but should a person who I perceive to be a true outsider emerge I will support them. I expect them to try and force another corporate stooge down our throats again. Should they succeed I will vote for the Green Party again but I'm not willing to rule out supporting them in the future if they do realize they need to change if they want to ever win again.
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  4. Warrior regarding, "build a 3rd party," I think that we need to support 3rd parties for 2 reasons. 1 it is the escape plan should the "democratic" party have learned nothing from what is an embarrassing defeat and we do need to jump ship for good. 2 it is our leverage to help force them to change. I'm not interested in building a party but rather supporting and growing the Green Party which I see as supporting progressive values without the corporate poison and greed infecting the "democratic" party. Regarding, "I'm not so sure that this is the answer just yet. Time will tell, and I'm certainly torn on that" I very much agree. Regarding, "building a 3rd party movement seems like a much steeper uphill battle than the already-uphill battle of taking the Democratic Party back from corporatist neoliberals" Again I agree. I was very dismayed that Jill only got the vote she did. I really wanted and expected her to get to 5 percent. Maybe I was overestimating the public's competence. Regarding, "It must be done carefully and deliberately," There is going to be plenty of push back. You can see it already with how the establishment is unwilling to accept any blame and instead make excuses for losing. Regarding, "it's a bit alarming to me to see the degree of purification I'm seeing on the left in this moment." I wonder if I might be guilty of this. There are so many people that I used to like that I can't stand now. Bill Maher, John Oliver, Rachel Maddow and all of MSNBC, even Elizabeth Warren. Regarding, "Warren and Sanders are beautifully positioned to fight effectively for us" Warren could still win my trust back but she has a lot of work to do to get it. Had she endorsed Sanders early this past election may have gone down quite different. I prefer Tulsi Gabbard because of her willingness to lead on the issue and support Sanders at great cost to herself and her position in the party. That demonstrated great leadership to me while Warren demonstrated cowardice to me. Again, she could win me back over but she has her work cut out for her to do it. Regarding, "I think it's in our best interest to work with that." I hope that Sanders is healthy in 4 years. I do not see how the party could stop him the way they did this go around. The party can change but it will talk someone like him to do it.
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