Comments by "antonyjh1234" (@antonyjh1234) on "Richard J Murphy" channel.

  1. Bottom up thinking means we don't need as many people at the top.
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  2. No wealthy person argues against govt spending as that means more money in the economy and as they own all the businesses it means more wealth for them, govt spending has driven shares through the roof, along with all asset prices Comments like this that are opposite of reality get upvoted because it's negative rich but not helpful because it's not factual.
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  3. The business of govt is business, they do not care about us.
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  4. Roger Hallam in Jail for five years for public nuisance..
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  5. They have succeeded in keeping the myth that money has more value than the debt it is. The "poor" keep believing it's money that is valuable instead of direction, which is all choice, that money is what we need to be able to live, instead of choice. We could feed, shelter and offer society medical care as well all free. The rich have you convinced to be able to live, you must hold bank debt. The attitude pf the rich is that you must keep working dead end jobs that do nothing overall but keep the system of debt turning over as it has done for hundreds of years. "They" have succeeded because send our children to education centres run by people at the top, that we don't trust and need replacing.
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  6. A property tax makes no sense as it will be passed to us. The money for those properties doesn't exist, price is an indication of the debt that has passed through it. All money is debt so asking for debt to pay debt is never going to work long term, unless new debt is always being entered, is this what you are asking for 1% per annum to be added to your costs? Stop trying to bend the system that is directly working against you, by asking for more money which is all debt based. If tax makes money disappear then it can't be a tax as won't that mean less money in the system?
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  7. Because change of society completely to a controlled low consumption model is the only way to impact the climate in a positive way.
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  8.  @coopsnz1  You make strange comments that are hard to understand, is english your second language your other comment needed deciphering and I don't think lefties forget that
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  9. There is nothing wrong with money, per se, it was always the love of it for it's own sake, now it's all just banker debt they love.
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  10. Because people have creativity that surpasses what work stifles, if we go back to the style of living of the enlightenment period, or the romantic period, through not working, arts will come back, there is a part of humans where beauty and style is more important than money Edit : we are products of our environment, we only have to change the environment of what we do/choose
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  11. I didn't want somebody else's decisions to ruin my life, so I did it myself and got paid wayyyy less.
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  12.  @drscopeify  That you would believe this when USA has a military spend equal to the next 9 countries, put together, is madness.
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  13. "People" care, they feel they have no option in this system to change those things.
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  14. Nobody was or would be attacking UK.
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  15.  @kevinsyd2012  Calm down mate, people are allowed to say they are sick and tired of the same old thing without you telling them they have to leave if they don't like it.
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  16. 99.97% of the mass of the atmosphere is only 100k or 62 mile high. If you go above three and a half k you would need breathing apparatus, the point is every bit of stored carbon we are using in the range of 100 million 42 gallon drums daily is being put into this tiny sliver of atmosphere. In a tank of diesel is the same amount of energy as my total electrical energy for 3,2 months in an Australian summer with the air con going 24-7, if somebody uses a tank a week for a year that is equal to 17 years of my electrical energy. We put this carbon in and it's not 0.04% of the atmosphere, all this mass is around us because of gravity, carbon gas mass, when it's parts per million, it is how many there are per million molecules. One million molecules is a really tiny amount of space, there are trillions and trillions just in the kilogram of air and all the square metres above you. We are now at around 430 molecules of carbon for each and every million sized parcel of air. Now, radiation from the sun hits the earth, this heat needs to leave again, it travels through us to space again, if there are trillions and trillions of absolute squillions of more molecules that can absorb this heat, it slows down the transfer of heat, and you can not add to any system without it meaning something. The meaning something in this case is when God was supposedly around he didn't have an Esky so he left all the ice, that cools us to this temperature, roughly what we have had 15,000 years, he/she left it all out in the open. Now we both believe that you can't add energy/heat to a system like that without it meaning something. They can of course work out what is coming and the way we are going it will be total destruction of everything you've known, should you call that alarmist I am not sure but it's the speed we are talking about this time. The temps they think we are going to go to because of this increased forced radiation has been on the earth before, and plants and animals lived. That time it took 700,000 years to reach that temp, this time they reckon we will do it in one thousand years, to a temp that nothing alive today has experienced and might mean instead of the average temperature of the earth being 15 it might be 30. As we have taken millions of years to adapt and humans are now alive at a temperature that no human has experienced, in fact 3 million years, this isn't alarmist nonsense, this is something the sooner older people stop saying things they can't explain their way out of logically, the better. I understand change is hard considering something that is classed as normal your whole life has to change but the truth is there if you want to see it. The powers that be would rather lie and keep everyone slaves than lose or change themselves, they are more likely afraid of total collapse if they finally told the real truth. The truth is windmills aren't going to stop the next 30 years because of the lag affect and of course for you that will be ok, myself probably as well. I will say again, we can not add energy to a system without it meaning something, just because you might not fully understand the whole issue does not in any way mean this is climate alarmism, what you should be more concerned with is the lack of alarm and why, imo.
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  17. No-one refuses to take money and they create that at a cost of four cents per hundred dollars, which we have to pay back full value, with our life's efforts and this money that we must have, this debt of other people, that loses value the more we hold it until it becomes worthless, is something we base our lives around, bank debt. Define scam?
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  18.  @physiocrat7143  Taxes on rents are absorbed and not a cost of business? ANd not a tax deduction, or passed to the consumer, where do you get this idea from?
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  19. We need to invest in people but we can't give them money because then they will spend it emitting energy which we have to cut, jobs we have to also cut. Stay home and we'll send you food. World had a 400% increase in people the last 80 years, be lucky to be 40 the next, last year the world sold enough food for everybody to gain weight which is enough reason to cut fertiliser, we don't need the production growth we need better soil.
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  20.  @fylbike  Last year the world produced enough food for everybody in the whole world to gain weight, while we have obesity and starvation, we don't have a supply problem and if fertiliser made from gas emits a different gas that is 300 times worse than CO2, ruins the soil and waterways, and if farming is a job and we don't need more food, then I agree they should reign in production and go back to regenerative, ie animal manure, farming.
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  21. @Betweoxwitegan Considering they own all the assets then, YES, they always love govt spending.
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  22. Can we ditch the environment more?
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  23. the wider aluminium industry supports the employment of 108,000 FTE jobs across the UK and the contribution of £9.4bn in GVA to the UK economy. The aluminium production sector alone accounts for £1.9bn in GVA and supports 16,500 jobs
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  24. It will be the speed this time, we are warmer than all interglacials and warm weather isn't climate, an average of 14 degrees raising to an average 10-15 degrees above that isn't something any Roman has seen. This is accelerated climate change and nothing of the last 15,000 years are valid as a base for the future, we are now warmer than any time in 3 million years and getting warmer, what's to make of a complete change of every thing you've known?
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  25.  @Hickalum  And you understand the term accelerated global warming and that we are warmer now than the last 3 million years means nothing of the past can be used as a guide, right though? You understand the plants we have grown with have come from times much colder, apples for instance need cold weather. The only problem is I see people thinking they have the answer when they don't understand the problem, like you. The things you mention are quite honestly, low hanging fruit, it's the other things we did, or didn't do but insurance companies are leaving communities, properties are being devalued and people are losing their lives. What profit do you think there is for people who have been flooded five times this year in France, have you not seen the devastation, when will you stop helping these large corporation by saying there's nothing wrong because that's all you are helping.
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  26. Why not remove the institution Is probably his thinking
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  27. He ran an accountant business for 12 years i think he said in a previous video.
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  28. "Bank" not banks, the RBA, the banks fund us. It's unsettling to realise that debt is created at around 4 cents per hundred dollars to create and we pay it back with our lives, full value. Edit I suppose we fund them with money borrowed from commercial banks, to pay their borrowings, half our life's work efforts go towards the govt through income, fuel, gst "taxes" just to take money out of the system, instead of making our lives easier by doing less, absolutely crazy system.but we have to understand "they" have been trading thousands of years with money and promissory notes and we were born into a debt based system thinking money is valuable without understanding it is just banker debt. Can you imagine any Australian politician coming out and truly explaining money, it makes me think business interests need the dumbest people at the "top"
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  29. @Jack-bs6zb Ps : You say free money, but this money costs four cents per hundred dollars to create, we have to earn that and pay it back full value, with an interest rate applied with our life's efforts and it will be sucked from you until you have none or you die. This is far from cheap.
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  30. Europe has lowered energy consumption 1% per annum since 2008, 23 countries supposed to lose half their populations by 2100 and world pop. 10 % growth of the last 80 years, for the next 80 years. If the world is a business and it had 400% growth in 80 years and 40% the next 80, difficult to manufacture more growth with no new products.
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  31. @nanajan-x3n No, because all money goes to the private sector, there is no public without us.
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  32.  @MrMarinus18  In the Uk? 0.3% of the world total..
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  33. Rich people do not hoard or store money depriving us, because they know it is debt and debt always has an interest rate applied so it must be working for you or it devalues. Money is debt, rich people can get into debt a lot easier because they have other assets, money is inputted into the system through loans that they can get any time they want, yes there might be a trickle down with the things they buy but mostly they buy assets which make money, like a business or property, that we are paying rent to. As more money ( debt) enters the system, then prices for these assets are an indication of the amount of debt that has gone through the property. All money in the world is based on debt and the prices for property, that money does not actually exist, as all money is debt, as soon as the loan is taken out and paid off that money does not exist. Then what can happen is a place might have a fire, it might be a windy day, 8 or 9 fires might somehow start at the same time in different places, the state insurance company will cancel fire insurance a few months before, the reservoir that has had funding for ten years remains undone and unfilled even though last year was the wettest and they would all be full. Then during a drought and major warnings from all fire departments the mayor will go away on a goodwill trip to Ghana, after donating all spare fire equipment to Ukraine. Along with that the Governor will be trying to make the place multi density for high-rises but of course was getting a lot of pushback considering the area and the neighbours, then what can happen is the banks or Blackrock because that's what has happened in Hawaii after the fires, will either repossess or give a low ball offer and because a company like Blackrock, the 1% rich people, they can then get loans for more debt, which we peasants call money.
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  34. I doubt there is a boomer who wasn't touched by those times, fathers and grandfathers either did or didn't make it home but you seem to think one generation holds control of the system while they have been controlled by it as well, your blame is misdirected if we realise half the carbon has been emitted in the last 30 years. We have a monetary system where not many people realise all money is bank debt and how many younger people are refusing money? How many younger people have shown the way by consuming 90% less, than they did ten years ago? Saying one generation is all the same and the blame for all things, while no=one else does anything different is handy but self deceptive imo.
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  35. I would say being fiscally responsible can only happen if the environment is at the epicentre and essentials should be given free, as that's the only way to keep control on consumption.
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  36. @ Why are you laughing, what was funny about the question or statement? He himself said the goal of the channel is education about money. Most people don't know where it comes from
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  37. What about the leaders that were removed in the 60's, presidents included and then we have been using oil people have been unalived over?
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  38. People don't know what they want, they don't understand where money or oil comes from and economically they want money without realising it is all debt.
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  39. Stop thinking it's one person, this is global.
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  40. It's a ridiculous notion breaking up assets as assets are what is borrowed against. Removing assets values means less money in the system overall. Anybody who asks for a wealth tax on assets doesn't understand all money is debt and doesn't exist in a debt free world.
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  41. Now I disagreed with your first part about taking out of people's minds the concepts of paid back because if it stops then govt spending has to stop otherwise money builds up but I get your point regarding all debt is money, I think that's the thing that trips all people I have told, every single one, that every single dollar that exists, an amount of debt does too, that what we call money is just one side of a ledger and people to think how much of their life they have spent to make bankers rich, I think it is quite confronting, they all believe money built up in society like gold. For you to say he should do a video about national taxes don't pay for govt spending makes me think this is your first video?
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  42. The enlightenment period throughout Europe was supposed to have stopped slavery as a system and they say any real social change needs the bourgeois to be on board first.
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  43.  @armandbourque2468  I think it's more as long as they feel safe then change can happen.
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  44.  @davidmcculloch8490  Considering God made Hell, how bad can it be? A three star instead of five?
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  45.  @jameswlong  I own my property and vehicle outright, I still pay on them. If I owned then I shouldn't have to keep paying now should I? You pay to the state not for services, not at the rate they charge. Take out taxes and govt fee's how much of your life has been yours
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  46. As all money is based on debt, pensions are a debt instrument and a way for govt to input money into society, be hard to imagine them getting rid of it.
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  47. "People" could be looked after much better than they are now, money is backed by nothing, it is just a mean of exchange and we think it valuable.
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  48.  @wolfman909  What direct action did you take today to lower consumption?
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  49.  @foxmoongaze  You have no idea, average warming during the medieval wasn't warmer so what history does the non physicist have?
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  50. @Betweoxwitegan Oh you are silly, an increased amount of money is inflation, more debt into the system means the money supply is inflated. A silly notion that public housing will bring down house prices is just absolutely ridiculous, sorry. You have an opinion, but this is not fact, you are wrong, hovt spending, because it is all new money can only increase the money supply, inflation is not just a rising of prices on its own, it is because of the increased money supply, which you seem to be ignoring, quite confidently, but incorrectly. edit the only way more money isn't inflationary is because more taxes, which don't pay for govt spending, as Richard says.
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  51. True but accelerated climate change means we will have different weather.
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  52. That was the limit of the gold based system, once debt became money and the workforce doubled the amount of money increased, so things cost more, also 400% world population growth in that time meant loans would be paid back, now 23 countries are going to lose 50% of their populations by 2100.
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  53. Half the people in the world live on less than 6.15 a day, if they got all the money the rest has had/have would it lower overall consumption or raise it? If people haord all the money so we can't buy stuff and it's in the hands of a very few, then environmentally that is preferable.
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  54.  @gikigill788  Why would donating wealth be a good goal if it leads to consumption which the goal is to limit it?
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  55. Feelings of distrust and opinions don't beat facts, unfortunately that is a fact..
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  56. The business of govt is business and jobs from as soon as we enter education is the goal. They don't know how to change, trust me, the system is worldwide.
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  57. Whatever you want to say about his style he is cleaning the swamp and may crash through to a different paradigm for those at the big end of town. If house's crash to 15k will the ordinary poor person be happy?
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  58. ​@Jack-bs6zb In a way it will make the poor richer, the divide won't be there as much so even though most people in this chat would be able to buy any food item from anywhere in the world, almost any product, people still think they are poor. If it's UK they have one of the most beautiful country's in the world and still think they are poor, because of the divide. The world needs direction to a better way than mindless investment that overall achieves nothing towards making things cheaper or easier. The goal is to keep everyone enslaved to money, which is bank debt and money being just a product, we all believe the power to buy all these things will continue while the world says uh uh, so it really depends on how you define prosper. The goal now should be to raise general wellbeing, food shelter and medical care is such a small part of what we do, yet that's all we need, investment, for a job, is pointless.
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  59.  @imbonkers3629  Cutting waste, means putting less money into the system, they call it debt but as soon as it is spent we call it money, is less money in the system what you think when "cutting waste"?
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  60. The world had a 400% growth rate the last 80 years and the next 80 will be lucky to be 10% of that. GDP has always been about increasing demand, immigrants legal or illegal add to demand, when 23 countries are going to lose 50% of their populations due to old age over the next 80 years, mostly European, not innovation or productive capacity is going to supersede that so it's not a secret, it's the whole reason.
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  61. If money is never restricted how will prices go down?
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  62. The removal of oil, either forced or by choice will mean an incredible change in everybody's attitude including politicians. This will happen in your lifetime and we are the customers of those vested interests and nobody is going to replace something we didn't create or pay the external costs of, yet. I don't know anybody that has spent less, refused pay rises, not looked forward to a holiday, so let's not ignore our part in the system. There will be no replacement for something they didn't create, 6000 products come from oil and it surrounds us, single use plastic comes from the same barrel diesel does and people still plan driving holidays. Change will happen when it runs out or we stop using the products by choice which no one I know seems to do. I disagree it's not about attitudes, if people realised that other people have been killed for oil and how bad it will become, just so they can go for a drive, it changes things. People just don't know and are kept ignorant by the state, at least change the attitude of working dead end jobs, of wasting energy towards things that aren't sustainable, mindless debt that we call money, let's at least change those things and see instead of blaming people we are customers of and calling them greedy instead of looking at ourselves. Saying they should have a replacement so we can just carry on is where the problem lies as "they" have none and if we want one of the products from oil what do we do with the other 5999? The attitude of people being self sufficient could change and the problem will be less for them, especially considering people are asking for change from those they should expect it from the least, a change in that attitude would be a great start.
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  63.  @physiocrat7143  I went to your channel, I did not like it and none of the videos described the full picture.
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  64. Like you own anything now, you basically rent and what's wrong with happy?
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  65. I can never work out why people use the word arrogant to somebody who is telling you a truth about the system and they are giving you something for free.. The fiscal rule un this case is that current ones are von tricks and new rules could direct this energy to health care, environmental care, he said "child policy and education" these financial rules that are set in place now suit one class of person and what is being talked about are new rules, how is that arrogant? How is asking for care arrogant or an implication?
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  66. I used to be vegan and "eat less meat" is an example of big business corrupting society. If i eat the daily recommended amount of meat it equals from memory 15 cows over 60 years, I don't eat caged which is chicken, pigs and fish, and don't eat lamb a lot so always beef. We, as in humanity feed more crop waste to animals than food we grow for them, the eat less meat is the reason chicken has barely moved in 20 years. Red meat and fat is now my friend, it has meant weight loss and better health, humans as they grow older absorb less protein so stick to the recommended amount, daily it helps with muscle retention that veganism couldn't do. Vege's are less nutritious, microplastics per gram of food in the hundreds of thousands and half the damage done to our bodies is supposedly from the sprays that are put onto them and in them. Calories in and calories out aren't the thing when it's beef fat, or full cream, the lies of food companies have changed public perception based on a biased study that didn't control all things. Red meat for the win now, cream in coffee instead of milk, the feeling of fullness means less calories and kgs of food to get the same thing. If I tell an older diabetic friend I can turn his life around in two weeks he doesn't believe me and now I'm leaner he says I have a higher metabolism and I tell him, I'm as shocked as you but fat storage and accessibility is easier when fat is in your diet and not seed oils, but he's too scared because he doesn't want to make his doctor upset while he takes his muesli with fruit and oat milk in the morning and after five years he's down five kg, I try to tell him have a fat meal in the morning but he's fully convinced if he has a steak it will kill him. It's all madness based on food companies lies what people think is healthy and eat less meat, directly subsidises it.
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  67. You are saying commercial banks can print money? I don't think this is correct. You say things but nothing to back it up. Central banks create new money, only, was my impression and fractional reserve banking exists.
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  68. 5% of the world know what is going to happen environmentally, some think they want green energy and that will work instead of changing, to really get halfway to Paris agreements requires massive change and nobody is doing it willingly. The only way is no other choice but poverty is a measure of how much debt we hold. Food, shelter and medical is what all people need, it is the easiest to accomplish, if profit and the concept of it was taken out of future goals.
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  69. It is a way to remove money so people experience poverty otherwise they won't do anything but lounge around and enjoy their lives, if small farmers get pushed out there are a few people in govt that know large business interests that will buy them, the business of govt is business and it is to suck as much energy out of the people as humanely possible and keep the ball rolling because change would mean a decrease in workload, boom AND bust is part of the economic model I'm afraid.
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  70. Wish the distinction was always kept between energy and electricity. Electricity is less than 20% of total energy.
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  71. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one, yours should not be seen.
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  72.  @foxmoongaze  You have nothing but your own opinion, prove that energy added to a system doesn't mean anything. Prove heat trapped doesn't increase temperature, disprove heat will melt ice before you agree with people who are very very wrong.
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  73. As every single cent has a corresponding amount of debt, somewhere, money is the belief that we are progressing, it is debt but we use that as a means of exchange. As it is all debt and we need to earn it before we are allowed to exist, this is not wealth or progress. It is a misunderstanding of money being of value more than what it really is, banker debt that we use as a means of exchange, it is the need for it that is designed by the govt that holds us back from true progress, it is the ignorance of what it is and it is the lack of belief in a direction that we all agree on that is needed to supersede money. We do things now because we think banker debt has value, and we have given it more value than it deserves. The choice, to go another way, and the will, is all we need for progress, to raise general well being.
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  74. @Betweoxwitegan PS Any new money must always increase the amount of money. ALL money the govt spends is new money, increasing the money supply in new building IS inflation
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  75. It was also called the flesh of Ra that fell from the sky and if people brought it to Pharaohs or priests a donkey or extra wheat was given, until today.
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  76. If the government is water going into a bucket with their spending, taxes the hole in the bottom, tariffs increase the size of the hole. If we didn't tax anyone the bucket overflows with water (inflation) edit PS There is no if.
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  77.  @maplin007  Every single dollar in the world is based on debt, the govt and banks are negative zero, we try to stay above it, the resting place of all debt is zero. If all debt were paid back there would be zero money in the economy. Money does not build up in society, unless debt does.
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  78.  @Tensquaremetreworkshop " Progress means costs go up" I would say costs go up because more debt has been put through a certain item/system, progress does mean in a lot of cases costs go down, jevons paradox of course then enters the conversation.
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  79. Two sides of the same debt/coin.
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  80.  @gikigill788  Oh you aren't asking if I aren't a billionaire, you are wasting people's life with your nonsense? My mistake.
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  81.  @seanfennessey1851  Explain how adding energy to a system doesn't affect it?
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  82. If we dropped the dogma, we would see that money directs energy and we can direct it any way we want.
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  83. " By working hourly they are effectively shared across the industry. " This is pure Hokum. To be the highest skilled and paid people usually do need training and maybe they should be working more hours instead of less and there might be enough skilled workers.
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  84. They work for the central bank, bringing in a wealth tax might devalue the property and the idea of property as a debt hole is the value goes up, not down. If they can't get a higher revaluation they may not get as much new money. As all money id based on debt, them having the charge their tenants more won't pull up the middle class and will hurt the poor the most. I would say define " country will sort itself out" because the way I see it people don't understand money is bank debt, ask for a tax that as the channel shows removes money from society, so relatively the same inequality will exist just with a lower amount. This whole "needs" has to stop, there is a ruling class that still rules and people don't understand the rules, that all money is bank debt, each dollar you own is bank debt so if the country is going to sort itself out then it needs to choose a direction, it doesn't need money, it needs an understanding of what it is, banker debt and we pay them with our lives efforts and get nothing in return. There is no band aid to fix things, no lowering the deficit which removes money from society, creating more poverty. There has to be a general understanding that this product we are forced to have, that has an interest rate applied, doesn't have to be this way. It is ultimately choice and we aren't making the choices, people who have controlled our lives since we are born, for profit, instead of making society better, they care about creating demand for the products they sell, that is all.
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  85. Really doesn't matter what their gdp is now, it is all about what they started from, moving from agrarian to cities happens easier when the rest of the world sends them money and they have a trade surplus. China did not do this in a vacuum and at the cost of production elsewhere, people in the rest of the world lost jobs so China could have what it does, we are in this together.
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  86. Considering utopia is a place never seen before, that is great news.
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  87. Every single dollar is banker debt, and nobody is refusing money. It all has an interest rate applied and it's not being paid to "us". Time we get rid of the debt based system that goes along to get along. I don't mind paying down debt if it makes things better/easier for the next generations, currently we have people in power who are trying to do the opposite, as much as they can. The business of govt is business and they do not care about us or the thing they are supposed to be caring for, the country.
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  88. To think we were told we needed money instead of direction.
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  89. Why mention what percentage of all gases it is for? CO2 is 80% of the greenhouse gases, mentioning the ones that aren't or what percentage doesn't really matter. 99.97% of the mass of the atmosphere is only 100k/62 mile high and carbon has mass. It's ppm, so you have to figure out how large a million sized parcel of molecules is ( it's really tiny ) then at 516ppm per million sized parcel of molecules and trillions of those parcels just above you then you can see the problem knowing that carbon reflects heat. Please stop telling the people of the rest of what you said, it's a scatter gun of nonsense, cheers.
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  90.  @foxmoongaze  Ha, people like you should be banned.
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  91.  @foxmoongaze  It's that you have no answer to the points raised. you have a scatter gun of denials and I don't want to waste my time but the confusion that you prefer spreading is why you shouldn't be allowed to do what you are doing. I don't mind ignorance but once told you shouldn't continue until you can disprove it. Not considering the side of history you'll be..
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  92. Do you have an example of the results being different?
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  93.  @theolddog5129  What examples of it do you see exhibited in the real world?
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  94. How does the govt benefit off tax if tax doesn't pay for anything? I will repost what I said to another denier below, if you have any questions please ask. 99.97% of the mass of the atmosphere is only 100k or 62 mile high. If you go above three and a half k you would need breathing apparatus, the point is every bit of stored carbon we are using in the range of 100 million 42 gallon drums daily is being put into this tiny sliver of atmosphere. In a tank of diesel is the same amount of energy as my total electrical energy for 3,2 months in an Australian summer with the air con going 24-7, if somebody uses a tank a week for a year that is equal to 17 years of my electrical energy. We put this carbon in and it's not 0.04% of the atmosphere, all this mass is around us because of gravity, carbon gas mass, when it's parts per million, it is how many there are per million molecules. One million molecules is a really tiny amount of space, there are trillions and trillions just in the kilogram of air and all the square metres above you. We are now at around 430 molecules of carbon for each and every million sized parcel of air. Now, radiation from the sun hits the earth, this heat needs to leave again, it travels through us to space again, if there are trillions and trillions of absolute squillions of more molecules that can absorb this heat, it slows down the transfer of heat, and you can not add to any system without it meaning something. The meaning something in this case is when God was supposedly around he didn't have an Esky so he left all the ice, that cools us to this temperature, roughly what we have had 15,000 years, he/she left it all out in the open. Now we both believe that you can't add energy/heat to a system like that without it meaning something. They can of course work out what is coming and the way we are going it will be total destruction of everything you've known, should you call that alarmist I am not sure but it's the speed we are talking about this time. The temps they think we are going to go to because of this increased forced radiation has been on the earth before, and plants and animals lived. That time it took 700,000 years to reach that temp, this time they reckon we will do it in one thousand years, to a temp that nothing alive today has experienced and might mean instead of the average temperature of the earth being 15 it might be 30. As we have taken millions of years to adapt and humans are now alive at a temperature that no human has experienced, in fact 3 million years, this isn't alarmist nonsense, this is something the sooner older people stop saying things they can't explain their way out of logically, the better. I understand change is hard considering something that is classed as normal your whole life has to change but the truth is there if you want to see it. The powers that be would rather lie and keep everyone slaves than lose or change themselves, they are more likely afraid of total collapse if they finally told the real truth. The truth is windmills aren't going to stop the next 30 years because of the lag affect and of course for you that will be ok, myself probably as well. I will say again, we can not add energy to a system without it meaning something, just because you might not fully understand the whole issue does not in any way mean this is climate alarmism, what you should be more concerned with is the lack of alarm and why. We are not in a cooling cycle if the melt is quicker and sea level rise is increasing in speed, if the sea level rise is increasing as it is a cooling cycle must be impossible. I understand because of the age of Richard he might have an older crowd but to say all satellites are lying must mean you aren't serious in your comment or uninformed correctly.
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  95. The choice is to work or not work, we worked towards profit instead of sustainable goals, we all took pay rises and went on holidays, the first time you see a politician on a platform of LESS jobs vote for them, but would you?
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  96. If people want pay rises then it always has to be something, pyramids don't build themselves and when one finishes there needs to be another.
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  97. Reduce the money/debt and reduce taxes and nothing changes overall. Remove money from the system and house prices fall, they only need to get voted in again and the results would be lower house prices, the big end of town suffers and everything is safer. I don't know if they aren't the right people the govt needs, I think they might be, at least the US one at this stage, let the thinkers come later.
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  98.  @drscopeify  It doesn't matter at all about PPP because all money is a ticket to energy that people expect to be there which is why USA has to occupy countries.
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  99.  @jameswlong  I am arguing you rent, until you stop paying, you are forced into a system, where you are forced to have debt always being entered into, upon which interest is paid. You own a house that is valued by the people who profit from the valuing and have no control over how any of it is paid and think you are free. Your whole life has revolved around bankers debt and then try to be edgy with you will own nothing and be happy like you own things and are. If we could give everybody food, shelter and medical care for free, it would raise well being, ownership is a concept based on debt, some of us wouldn't mind getting away from that and if "happy" comes along with it then bring it on I say.
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  100.  @jameswlong  Every single dollar you have or have had is bankers debt that they have charged interest for. I don't believe everything is pointless but we could have made things sustainable with this one time resource instead of selfish hedonism of supposed ownership and thinking we can buy our way out of resource depletion. We put value on soon to be worthless debt, gave our lives, and everything is about to turn to shit, when you talk of the logic of value we will have to disagree on agreeing because I'm not seeing it and moving forward when all insurance is gone and sea levels are up a couple of metres and its sunk in to everybody it's only getting faster, will the council still be pumping water?
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  101. Only because he knows how much they do, and has benefitted from it, knowingly. Now about these "few" blind spots..?
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  102. Any central bank most definitely wants interest, it wants growth, that can be defined as higher prices in the economy. Its job is not to control inflation it is to cause it.
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  103.  @garethhumphries4039  I'm saying in the comment that the relationship is direct between how much spending/borrowing that would happen, I understand non linear but that's not that point made. If spending/borrowing is dependent on the amount of current debt then the relationship is affected by it. No govt is going to say lets cut taxes to zero and keep the same spending for inflationary reasons so I was mentioning they are connected but not dependent.
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  104. In the bell curve that is humanity, of course there is a left, of course there is a right, in the middle are the sheep.
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  105. There's nothing bad with green energy but at 6%ish of total energy it would mean society would have to change if that is all we used.
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  106. The demand back to work is because overall consumption drops if they don't have to drive, park, get lunch, coffee etc. The business of govt is business, they do not care about us.
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  107. As all money is based on debt, inputting debt/money is always an option that govts need to keep open, unless of course they are trying to create poverty, so that we need "them" more.
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  108. @ Why say such a strange thing, when you don't explain your connection to the industry.
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  109.  @ianmarshall218  Not sure why it has an @ instead of the person who called it a rounding error, it was meant for them.
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  110. 1.5 is gone and no Paris agreements are being kept.
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  111.  @Hickalum  Yeah and if you'd read the textbook it would have said how long left, have you checked lately? Point is we can't use it or are you one of those denialists too?
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  112.  @JBLHPJ  Could you explain it differently because the point OP is making is about energy and electricity, as far as I was concerned..
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  113.  @foxmoongaze  No no, say something climate change valid and we'll dance..
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  114.  @badabing3391  Until you understand debt you won't understand money.
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  115.  @badabing3391  Until you understand all money is based on debt then explain how rich people don't want more money inputted into the system where they own all the assets. You have conflated nationalisation\ and govt spending, these are two different htings.
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  116.  @badabing3391  As every single dollar in the world is based on debt, you are saying the govt should print money, that has to be taxed out again to buy private property. How will more money in the system mean lower prices? The government does not make profit and any spending by the govt must be taxed out again, all money in the world is based on debt, govt as well, new spending means higher taxes or inflation, your pick? edit Changed "not make money", to profit
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  117.  @cbbcbb6803  Because the money must be spent first the govts get it from their respective central banks
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  118.  @arthurdixon5890  You are missing my point, I am disagreeing with your definition of very well, just based off trafficking of goods. The very reason to allow illegal immigration is to create demand, this is not what I would call very well. No-one can afford housing and the environment is being destroyed.
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  119.  @Jan-m5c2r  Was commenting on the comment of how old it is. People's idea's around gold and then money stem from this history, maybe if people see how silly the history is they might see money/gold differently.
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  120. There is a debt inequality, the ability to get debt is where the difference lies and your words could be used against most of the people here. How many people could do a little less, spend less, compared to a person who might have lost their crops in Africa or India, but aren't luxury taxes and a sliding scale of personal tax enough? Tax doesn't pay anything so all it will do is lower the upper class spending ability, not increase the amount of money in the system. Will this make people feel richer, I suppose it will if the rich aren't so rich but overall what has it done for the rest of us? Tax the rich sounds inflationary as any assets will need a greater return. Why not just have a cap how much value one person can have?
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  121.  @Moustache-Gaming  Either a hard wealth cap or they make everyone poor as poor can be, we all go back to growing our own food, riding horse's and learning how which grass makes the best string. If they were ecologically minded, poverty would to be a great tool.
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  122.  @Moustache-Gaming  The lawn is the world's largest irrigated crop, that we fertilise and mow with fossil fuel machines, so it looks nice. I bet there are other cities like mine that has creeks plumbed underground but always flowing, I bet there is plenty of land around, beside water sources, that people can utilise to produce food just they are conditioned to live the way we are now. In Cypress they have orange tree's lining the streets, to say there isn't room for fruit bearing tree's so quickly is probably conditioning to this way pf life.
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  123. My goodness what a load of uneducated propaganda tosh. Yes socialism is anti-capitalist, it isn't an umbrella term, the very definition means that there is a social aspect, ie for the benefit, capitalism is the means of production are in private hands and no control, supposedly, from the govt, it's not anything but that, like communism means for the village. I don't know about you but I don't know many people who have positive positions about the govt, if having them makes people socialists then 99% are. Do you have a working definition cos the above ain't them?
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  124.  @oneoflokis  It's 23 countries, maybe i won't list them all, China will lose 600 million, Japan another 50 million, mostly European countries.
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  125. The people who suck off other peoples channels to sell their financial investor, especially considering the topic, should be ashamed of themselves as people.
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  126. All reality is somebody else's idea
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  127.  @physiocrat7143  As long as everyone has food shelter and medical care, in the world, why not.
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  128.  @MrBallynally2  Free market consumption on a finite planet is not logical.
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  129.  @fulloftruthguardian5420  If I fund you money am I lending it to you?
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  130. From now on it will be common worldwide. 30 year mortgages will be a thing of the past soon. Australia the last four years were among the five top costing years for the industry
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  131. I disagree that commercial banks create money, only central banks can. Fractional reserve banking exists.
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  132.  @downshift4503  Blows me away commercial banks can print money, do they have a limit or is that why everything is so expensive. From the BoE Money creation in the modern economy pdf : central banks implement monetary policy by choosing a quantity of reserves. So if they want to throttle how much new money is being made they increase the reserves? |That can't be the only control as to how much money is being printed surely?
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  133.  @downshift4503  Why shouldn't we live like the 1800's gentry but with electricity? If that is the cost, why is that a hard sell?
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  134. And then what?
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  135. Give almost half the world an extra five dollars a day and they could double their consumption, this isn't a lot of money, but all money is debt, how will somebody who gets ten dollars a day be able to raise debt. As all money is debt, if the debt is paid back, the loan, it doesn't exist anymore, that money doesn't exist any-more. Money doesn't build up in the system and currently there is not the money for the value of the real estate. Growth, is only more money, and all money is debt so it's not less room to grow, its less debt being able to be entered into, especially for housing as its so expensive. For the Uk to not fall behind it would have to show it can now do without money and survive off the embedded energy already put into society. The thing we have to realise is we did all this for banker debt and now have nothing valuable in a real sense to show for it,
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  136. People who have the ability to work are able to get loans because they can pay them back, a govt is able to say we will take a percentage of our constituents life's efforts in taxes so any money printed by the central bank, debt, is able to be given back. Because all new loans/debt is new money, that money needs to leave again or it builds up as taxes make money not exist anymore. Money is not like gold in that it does not build up, it is debt and therefore works on a basis of negative zero, they are always trying to get the loan back to zero, the debt as soon as it leaves the bank and hits an account, that is what we call money, we spend our lives around it and do all the things we do because of it, imagine we are fish in a pond that has water always pouring into it, the water must leave again or it floods while we fish carry on with our lives.
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  137.  @Pinkdam  When we have massive amounts of obesity and people starving to death, just because of how much debt they hold or basically where they are born and then say "we should just leave it all to choice" is not really a democratic decision that I would expect to be a choice in aggregate by the public if they were given it. Saying we should leave it to choice whether virgins are beheaded to make sure the crops are good this year and saying the entire democratic way of life depends on being able to make the choice and keeping the old way of doing things does not have a leg to stand on, saying we can make informed decisions makes no difference to people dying from too much or too little food and I find it disgusting you would belittle the subject down to just a few people overweight, the massive amounts of over consumption, just because you have money, while others starve, is ultimately undemocratic as the people who are starving don't have any choice. The world has a distribution problem, not a supply problem, last year the world produced enough food for everyone to gain weight, choice shouldn't enter it at all, not whether people get basics or not.
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  138. The business of government is business and would you vote for someone on a platform of "Less Job's"?
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  139.  @Freesurfer688  I wrote this to a couple of other people, I think it explains it clearly 99.97% of the mass of the atmosphere is only 100k or 62 mile high. If you go above three and a half k you would need breathing apparatus, the point is every bit of stored carbon we are using in the range of 100 million 42 gallon drums daily is being put into this tiny sliver of atmosphere. In a tank of diesel is the same amount of energy as my total electrical energy for 3,2 months in an Australian summer with the air con going 24-7, if somebody uses a tank a week for a year that is equal to 17 years of my electrical energy. We put this carbon in and it's not 0.04% of the atmosphere, all this mass is around us because of gravity, carbon gas mass, when it's parts per million, it is how many there are per million molecules. One million molecules is a really tiny amount of space, there are trillions and trillions just in the kilogram of air and all the square metres above you. We are now at around 430 molecules of carbon for each and every million sized parcel of air. Now, radiation from the sun hits the earth, this heat needs to leave again, it travels through us to space again, if there are trillions and trillions of absolute squillions of more molecules that can absorb this heat, it slows down the transfer of heat, and you can not add to any system without it meaning something. The meaning something in this case is when God was supposedly around he didn't have an Esky so he left all the ice, that cools us to this temperature, roughly what we have had 15,000 years, he/she left it all out in the open. Now we both believe that you can't add energy/heat to a system like that without it meaning something. They can of course work out what is coming and the way we are going it will be total destruction of everything you've known, should you call that alarmist I am not sure but it's the speed we are talking about this time. The temps they think we are going to go to because of this increased forced radiation has been on the earth before, and plants and animals lived. That time it took 700,000 years to reach that temp, this time they reckon we will do it in one thousand years, to a temp that nothing alive today has experienced and might mean instead of the average temperature of the earth being 15 it might be 30. As we have taken millions of years to adapt and humans are now alive at a temperature that no human has experienced, in fact 3 million years, this isn't alarmist nonsense, this is something the sooner older people stop saying things they can't explain their way out of logically, the better. I understand change is hard considering something that is classed as normal your whole life has to change but the truth is there if you want to see it. The powers that be would rather lie and keep everyone slaves than lose or change themselves, they are more likely afraid of total collapse if they finally told the real truth. The truth is windmills aren't going to stop the next 30 years because of the lag affect and of course for you that will be ok, myself probably as well. I will say again, we can not add energy to a system without it meaning something, just because you might not fully understand the whole issue does not in any way mean this is climate alarmism, what you should be more concerned with is the lack of alarm and why, imo.
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  140. I don't understand your point. How is this incompatible to you? money must come in and money must come out.
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  141.  @howardosborne8647  I am not sure why you think this pertinent, cattle are carbon neutral for the metahne they emit in this country and many more. If a bog produces methane and it produces a certain amount each year because methane is gone after 80 years the bog or cattle, if the herd size has not increased has not increased warming. Did I not just say the temperatures were hotter too, if Co2 was higher an the temps were higher, what is it that you are proofing to me? Ohhh how lush it was, yep animals and plants, none of those are alive today, maybe the crocodile, which where I am is moving south because the waters are getting warmer. They don't have crocidiles everywhere but as the water is getting warmer their habitat increases in size. This is not hearsay, this is fact, so an animal like a crocidile knows the planet is warming why don't adult humans?
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  142.  @zetectic7968  I worked out the percentage of carbon that would be captured if the IIEA forcast of a 1000% increase in the number of plants at current capture rates by 2035 would mean 1.16% of current carbon emissions would be taken down, so realistically less than one percent by then. IF the 1000% increase were to happen.
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  143.  @rinnin  4 day week, you are funny, a ninety percent reduction in consumption won't happen if people work one day less. Degrowth of only working on either food, shelter, medical or services for the state and at most 4-5 years of your life. De growth is going back to everyone having a garden, degrowth is the removal of money if it can still buy the same amount of energy. A four day week if for the same wage then nothing has been achieved, it needs to living like they were 200 years ago, with electricity and staying home or walking, it means less jobs, overall not 20% less days working.
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  144. @ I don't understand, more money is always required for more goods.
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  145. If all money is debt based and issued at a cost of around 4 cents per hundred pound and there is still zero direction where this debt goes in a sustainable way then it will always be a losing game. We the people have no control over where the govt spends and they don't want to make things easier. A lower interest rate on this slavery should be overhauled completely. We need to move away from profit as a metric and towards general wellbeing which will need more than a lower interest rate.
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  146.  @blackbulldog4897  Yes I understand this but it is debt, we are one side of a ledger and money operates on a basis of zero and yes it is drained out, to keep the value of the dollar. We can't have money coming in at the top of the bucket if the hole at the bottom is plugged up and the name of the game is to not let the bucket overflow but to always have water flow through it ie society. I understand if we pay back all debt then there would be no money, tax is a drain but in this system an integral part.
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  147.  @blackbulldog4897  The hole is taxes Edit : The water coming in the top is all debt let's say, central and commercial banks, we are the water in the bucket and our purchasing power, the hole in the bottom is tax so money doesn't build up.
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  148.  @blackbulldog4897  And my belief all along .where did you think I didn't understand this already in regards to my original comment? edit taxes are the hole, not savings..yes?
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  149.  @blackbulldog4897  ps : Is draining society of debt draining "it of its net financial assets" I had a problem with the wording because then we would have to agree debt is an asset. All the embedded energy that is in society would still exist, the buildings, roads water filtration plants, all these would still exist without money so then once all money is removed, which I am all for, which industries would people still want and the people are the asset then. So yeah, I don't agree with the wording of its financial assets because a lot remains as assets and if money does leave society which as you say us just debt to banks, when it should be debt to society, then how does debt to society become the real value. We got into a lot of debt, for a long time to people who don't really care, getting rid of this debt to "them" could be the best thing to wash down the drain once and for all.
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  150.  @blackbulldog4897  I was saying tax can't stop, because it is that drain, that is always open, block if off and where will the water go so unless new water stops at the top. it will build up, or what we call runaway inflation.
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  151. It's not the carbon, it's the heat that comes from the sun and must leave again otherwise...the earth heats up. Adding carbon traps radiant heat and what we use to cool the earth, ice, melts when it gets warm because its out in the open. Average global temp 14 degrees, they are talking 30 as a global average morning and night and because we are adding more carbon that the earth can absorb, the temp increase's and that ice melts. Nothing to do with carbon per se, other than adding more of it traps more heat. If you can't understand basic physics you shouldn't have an opinion on something where the last time it happened it supposedly wiped out 86% of all species, the issue is we don't know if we will be the first 10%.
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  152. t's not the carbon, it's the heat that comes from the sun and must leave again otherwise...the earth heats up. Adding carbon traps radiant heat and what we use to cool the earth, ice, melts when it gets warm because its out in the open. Average global temp 14 degrees, they are talking 30 as a global average morning and night and because we are adding more carbon that the earth can absorb, the temp increase's and that ice melts. Nothing to do with carbon per se, other than adding more of it traps more heat. If you can't understand basic physics you shouldn't have an opinion on something where the last time it happened it supposedly wiped out 86% of all species, the issue is we don't know if we will be the first 10%.
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  153. t's not the carbon, it's the heat that comes from the sun and must leave again otherwise...the earth heats up. Adding carbon traps radiant heat and what we use to cool the earth, ice, melts when it gets warm because its out in the open. Average global temp 14 degrees, they are talking 30 as a global average morning and night and because we are adding more carbon that the earth can absorb, the temp increase's and that ice melts. Nothing to do with carbon per se, other than adding more of it traps more heat. If you can't understand basic physics you shouldn't have an opinion on something where the last time it happened it supposedly wiped out 86% of all species, the issue is we don't know if we will be the first 10%. Please I implore you, the biggest thing big tobacco could do to slow down the decline in sale was to create doubt, don't do big oils job as they took over the same tactics. At the very least educate people but the ranges we are looking at, and you are right plants loved it in the time of the dinosaur, but it wasn't cold and that was 66 million years ago, people are worried we are going there much much sooner and that nothing will adapt so it's more about the risk you are taking with these sort of words, just for people to believe you, are you able to be five percent wrong, because if what is said that is around the corner and already here, then I would say you should look at the data because you are steering yourself and others the wrong way.
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  154. It's the heat that comes from the sun and must leave again otherwise...the earth heats up. Adding carbon traps radiant heat and what we use to cool the earth, ice, melts when it gets warm because its out in the open. Average global temp 14 degrees, they are talking 30 as a global average morning and night and because we are adding more carbon that the earth can absorb, the temp increase's and that ice melts. Fairly simple physics really, nothing to do about plant food, more about the speed we will go to reach the temps we were at 66 million years ago, and adaption will be incredibly hard, sorry impossible for a lot of species.
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  155. You cannot add energy to a system without it meaning something and because there is always heat coming in it must leave again or like taxes are the heat leaving and money, the sun, is always putting energy in. If something like a layer of carbon can trap radiant heat then the ice we leave out in the open to cool us down will melt.
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  156. What about trapped heat by the carbon, do you believe that?
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  157.  @narcellius  You don't understand global warming or taxes.
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  158.  @David-ee7sq  Which one do you want answered, because if you can't find any information about warming and you don't believe everyone telling you, what is the point of going further?
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  159.  @David-ee7sq  Try Paul Beckwith, Nate Hagens, Guy McPherson, any of their channels should get you up to speed.
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  160.  @David-ee7sq  Yeah ok, the issue is you think you can't be wrong which is why you won't look. Considering the chance of what they say, lets say 5% only, it's the end of everything you've known, let's say 10% chance, why wouldn't you at least look?
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  161.  @armandbourque2468  Yes yes but getting off the point. The point being revolutions are violent and forgive me but if you are commenting here then we are of the bourgeois. The question is how to set in place systems where the people feel safe in the change that is needed, otherwise it will keep going until it breaks, as it is..
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  162.  @drscopeify  How can you say with any shred of honesty that Biden hasn't been feeding the MIC money since day one, that is what AMerica and all its debt is known to be spent on, USA goaded Japan after sanctioning them and cutting off oil, USA had been bombing "them"for 10 years before 9-11, Ukraine 8 years before Russia stood up in 22. USA is 4% of the world and has a military equal to the next 9 countries all put together, what on earth are you saying, that this does not exist? The American war where USA took over after the French left, got the most corrupt politician they could back and there has not been a military conflict since world war 2 where USA has been attacked, they hold a third of Syria, well now all of it and Americans have been using oil foreign people have been killed over, for decades. To say something doesn't exist when the whole world knows it and is the cause of the 20-30 million deaths since the end of ww2 and is the main reason most of the world is pissed off at it and rightly so, it has been the worlds largest warmonger for the last 80 years. I understand you might be American but stop drinking the cool aid, the invasions around the world are all US backed and the military complex is not doing this altruistically.
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  163. @ US bombed "them"for ten years before 9-11, Bombed Russians in Ukraine for 8 years before Ru stood up, your myth that the MIc doesn't exist is a myth in itself.
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  164.  @drscopeify  You can't say let's input all this money and because we get less back then it's ok and there are zero other consequences, the point is that money could just as easily go through medical care, roads, schools, but it doesn't it goes where?
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  165.  @drscopeify  PS the money goes at inflated prices buy your account, isn't actually going to the military complex or it is, the total of value going through them in spending still exists so please explain how the spending exists and the military doesn't? Are you saying all the billions is just going on paper airplanes, cos if it is and you are the reserve currency because you have been living off a myth for 80 years, this level of playing two sides you are doing doesn't make for a good reality.
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  166. Greenland is to keep China out of the Artic shipping routes, considering the US did a test and found Greenland was ice free once and they called it Camp Century, maybe they know something we don't as far as how quick the melting will take.
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  167.  @gj55223  Repayment of the loan makes the money not exist anymore, all money is debt and one side or another of their ledger. If I give you a pair of scissors and you give me a pair back no profit was made even if it costs me four cents to make that pair.
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  168.  @gj55223  if you give me a piece of paper and i give you one back where is the profit?
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  169.  @3nertia  Everything is made up but we still live within rules, of its creation, how it is removed, what we have to do to get it and why we need it to be able to live. It is a great system under growth like the world had 400% the last 80 years and will be luck to be 10% of that the next 80 so another way will have to be found. I prefer need over profit.
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  170. @ Oh u are the person you said " Money itself is inherently reductive and meaningless. We made it up." and I replied that "everything is made up" and therefore choice and that point means we should be able to choose better. What part were you confused about? I was talking about money creation, you know all money is based on debt I guess so that was what the comment was regarding debt meant and to live we must hold debt, as all money is debt. My last comment was in agreement with you abouts needs. What part was confusing?
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  171.  @3nertia  Did my reply come to you?
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  172.  @3nertia  We could agree but because capitalism means the means of production is in private hands, meaning if you want something made and will pay for it then it can be made no matter what it is or how much pollution it emits. ANy other system where the government directs what gets produced is of course different but the thing that we must separate is the debt based system and capitalism as they are different. I agree being able to make just about anything we can, just because, without any direction is a problem but I think any other system that is based on debt, without direction is where it would fail too. Point being, unless we can agree on a direction, money whether it be bitcoin, gold or fiat, we will still end up with the same problems. Not the best description, regarding what we are talking about but the thing we must get people to understand, is the debt based system we spend our lives around. Debt they create at a cost of four cents per hundred dollars.
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  173.  @3nertia  PS We have to understand how money is created first before we blame the system it goes into.
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  174.  @3nertia  Of course, saying you disagree completely though is something that you could clarify later? You disagree about educating people about the debt based system, you disagree what capitalism is, you disagree other systems wouldn't find themselves in the same situation.. etc. My whole point is govts and banks are supposed to be negative zero, we always try to stay above it, that all this debt that is inputted has an interest rate attached therefore does not hold value. Not holding value for the thing we spend our lives around is where fault in the system, for us, lies.
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  175.  @3nertia  Ar you 15-19 year old girl> Your "debate" style is of one. You attack, don't understand and now talk of irony and lmao, do you have a valid point that money and any other system won't be affected by too much? The irony is you don't understand how money is created and now want to talk as if you have all the answers and then ;;ash out with lmao. Do you have a debate point?
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  176.  @physiocrat7143  Describe the full picture then
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  177.  @physiocrat7143  If you can disparage someone in a few words maybe you have a quick answer just as easy.
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  178.  @maria8809ttt  copied and paste the first thing in the internet, well done you
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  179. The only way to live in todays world is to hold debt, money that is created at a cost of four cents per hundred dollars. We use oil other people have been removed from living over, we have an education system run by people we don't trust and we spend our entire lives controlled by the system of debt that enslaves us, as has happened for centuries if not thousands of years, the planet is being ruined by these people and we still do what they say. When is too far and when is this turn?
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  180.  @neilritson7445  That's a silly point as you are looking at it from the outside, in their respective groups it has rationality. Edit : We all are products of our enviornment
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  181. If the goal is to get Americans in the fields again this is how he'll do it. Better learn to pick fruit. What happens if he fails, what happens if he succeeds? I have always thought USA will become another Israel, surrounded and hated.
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  182.  @frankcooper6118  There can't be arrogance about a fact, i think you are projecting your own arrogance and that your words apply to you more than him.
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  183. I understand what you are saying in managing debt levels and in a way taxes do pay for current spending because if there were no taxes being collected they wouldn't need to borrow and if they did it would be a lot less but what do you mean money to pay back current borrowings, as soon as the debt in incurred it could be given back, the debt exists at the same time the money does. The govt doesn't have that debt, as all money is debt, all money in our pockets is debt they are the go between us and the bank that wants to earn interest.
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  184.  @garethhumphries4039  Yes I understand that, what part of my conversation caused this reply?
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  185.  @garethhumphries4039  Any central bank most definitely wants interest, it wants growth, that can be defined as higher prices in the economy. It's job is not to control inflation it is to cause it.
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  186.  @garethhumphries4039  Any central bank most definitely wants interest, it wants growth, that can be defined as higher prices in the economy. It's job is not to control inflation it is to cause it.
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  187.  @garethhumphries4039  It's not debt interest alone, it's that new money must enter the economy to meet the existing debt along with the interest, it's like a ponzi scheme that people are forced into. We call growth things this debt can be put into, real estate is a debt trap and as long as there are people who are able to get new loans then new money enters the system and if that debt can pass through something, those things have an assumed value, because as I say that money is not in the economy to buy them.
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  188.  @garethhumphries4039  It's not debt interest alone, it's that new money must enter the economy to meet the existing debt along with the interest, it's like a ponzi scheme that people are forced into. We call growth things this debt can be put into, real estate is a debt trap and as long as there are people who are able to get new loans then new money enters the system and if that debt can pass through something, those things have an assumed value, because as I say that money is not in the economy to buy them.
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  189.  @garethhumphries4039  It's not debt interest alone, it's that new money must enter the economy to meet the existing debt along with the interest, it's like a ponzi scheme that people are forced into. We call growth things this debt can be put into, real estate is a debt trap and as long as there are people who are able to get new loans then new money enters the system and if that debt can pass through something, those things have an assumed value, because as I say that money is not in the economy to buy them.
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  190.  @garethhumphries4039  It's not debt interest alone, it's that new money must enter the economy to meet the existing debt along with the interest, it's like a ponzi scheme that people are forced into. We call growth things this debt can be put into, real estate is a debt trap and as long as there are people who are able to get new loans then new money enters the system and if that debt can pass through something, those things have an assumed value, because as I say that money is not in the economy to buy them.
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  191.  @garethhumphries4039  We call growth things this debt can be put into, real estate is a debt trap and as long as there are people who are able to get new loans then new money enters the system and if that debt can pass through something, those things have an assumed value, because as I say that money is not in the economy to buy them. It's not debt interest alone, it's that new money must enter the economy to meet the existing debt along with the interest
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  192.  @garethhumphries4039  It's not debt interest alone, it's the amount of money that is increasing and we put this debt into property and other silly things. The issue being new money always needs to be entered into because of the interest.
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  193.  @arthurdixon5890  Why are you 74 and still working?
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  194.  @MattyB1970  Electricity is 17% of total energy in UK, under 20% for most modern countries so 6.29% of total energy. We and politicians believed net zero is electricity, but it is supposed to be energy. Green energy transition or efficiency is supposed to be a saving of energy, friends got solar panels on a rate that pays them, with the money saved bought a motorhome to drive around the country. Total energy has only increased and it is supposed to increase even more but don't get fooled that net zero is electricity. Electricity being 20% of energy, we could have 100% green electricity and still have 80% of the problem to fix. If we want plastic or asphalt then we still use oil and coal, asphalt being the waste of each barrel which is why oil rich countries that refine have urban sprawl and plastic production means diesel is the waste product, petrol, everything we burn, so we can get synthetic rubber coated wire. Be alright if everybody was prepared to live with just electricity.
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  195. Giving in to Russia? Western media bias? He only needs to make America great again, this means better living conditions, this he can achieve with less money in the system, he only needs to create less visible poverty. Edit Define fail.
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  196.  @downshift4503  What do you mean "they" create bank deposits from loans? Are you saying people deposit money into the bank and "they" get a loan for the same amount? I don't understand this statement.
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  197.  @alecdurbaville6355  Yes, that is what a prediction is, predict what will happen based on information they have. They know unimaginable change is coming, they know at what temperature it will take to melt the permafrost, something that holds four times the carbon humanity has emitted in all of history. and they know the adaption that took millions of years happening in a couple of thousand of years means a lot of species will not survive. If people took the reality of what is coming seriously, they would stop work en masse tomorrow and demand their govts cease all unnecessary consumption, if people won't do this by choice then the only tool available is poverty.
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  198.  @alecdurbaville6355  That's what a pre-diction is. Poverty is really the only tool. DT will bring that so that's a good thing
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  199.  @alecdurbaville6355  They know the change coming is what took 65 million years, temperature wise, will take a couple of thousand.
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  200. All national debt as soon as it is spent is what we call money, we agree on that? All money in the world is created by debt because we are a debt based society? All debt is owed to the commercial or central bank and all debt is money and if there were no debt there would be no money in the world? If so what don't you agree with?
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  201. Have to compete with EROI in the current market and gas is gar greater, UK uses a lot of gas, it uses more energy for heating than it does electricity, they could do with a little less sales and still be alright.
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  202. It was also called the flesh of Ra that fell from the sky and if people brought it to Pharaohs or priests a donkey or extra wheat was given, until today we have money. We were started on this path 10 or so thousand years ago.
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  203. Telling the MP's, those mouthpieces for business interests, probably common knowledge amongst the least progressive and as long as they keep the stupid ones busy, everything keeps going as usual, and you like usual, don't you?
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  204. The flesh of Ra the sun god was said to fall from the sky and the lowly folk were told if they collect it so we can be closer to the gods, so we can make masks, we will give you an extra sheaf of wheat and now we have money, or another way to look at it is When in Rome, do as the Italians do, the point is business and societal interests have probably been in roughly the same hands for quite a long time and this definition of decay, could be seen as growth in human affairs, it's just that good men should be able to stop bad ones and we forgot.
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  205. Prices of building going up 20 percent in the steel/aluminium portion, windfarms to the aluminium foil in your kitchen means different things for companies, publicly traded companies like aluminium and iron ore produces and miners. These companies have a certain margin of profit, let's say the margin of profit was 20%..What will happen to all the valuations to that company, they will go down. Most people who have worked have a portion of their incomes that are in the stock market, where I am half is in the stock market through superannuation/retirement funds.
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  206. None of that replaces oil, if you want synthetic rubber on wires or mining oil will still be needed and that runs out in a few decades, the removal of plastic would be life changing for most of us. We can take electricity with us but not all energy and remove oil from your life how much do you have left?
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  207.  @fastestkid  6000 products all come from the same barrel, if you want one of those products then the rest have to be refined off, nuclear will never replace all of that so some adjustment will have to be made, because electricity is a small part of our overall energy.
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  208.  @zopEnglandzip  We haven't done any efforts though, it's all been mis direction.
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  209.  @MentalLentil-ev9jr  A heat pump might have 400% efficiency but at least half of electricity is generated by gas which has a 30-40% efficiency or a gas boiler that can have 90% and above efficiency. Considering the investment has been made for boilers then the energy return on investment might not be greater
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  210.  @MentalLentil-ev9jr  Do you have anything to say about my point? Under no circumstances should you think production emissions are the total emissions of taking out one and reinstalling another. Could you explain how production emissions of the unit has anything to do with overall emissions if gas is the producer of electricity? The issue with cost is gas is so cheap and electricity has a surcharge because of renewables and their false opinion of Net Zero and that it just covers electricity when it doesn't. Solar and hydro cover 2% of total energy in the UK, there is a long way to go but artificially high? Are you able to prove that it is artificially high or the cost or production is the difference? Edit UK burns more biomass than wind and hydro combined.
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  211.  @MentalLentil-ev9jr  PS Can you cite this please, 11 months of use to save on carbon seems...adventurous, considering the damage the gases have caused, mining copper etc? "It takes on average around 11 months for the carbon released manufacturing heat pumps to be recovered from usage" How are you defining carbon released and recovered to mean 11 months is the turnaround time overall?
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  212.  @MentalLentil-ev9jr  "That's an approximate time for the carbon produced during the manufacture, including mining etc, to equal the carbon saved by using a heat pump compared to a gas boiler" If gas generation is 40% efficient and a heat pump 300% efficient then overall we are around 120% efficient, considering more than one heat pump would be needed per house and the oil burners are paid off, it seems like that 20% extra would take a long time, do you have proof of 11 months?
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  213.  @MentalLentil-ev9jr  PS Air conditioning gases have warming potentials of 1400 and 1700 and are still being used and there are seasonal fluctuations of emissions from units that have currently been unaccounted for and these gases still affect the ozone layer in a major damaging way, I'd really love to know where you got the information gas production, etc would take 11 months, if you can cite it? Is it CO2e for everything or just CO2 for example?
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  214.  @MentalLentil-ev9jr  " You obviously aren't going to accept my figures " No need to get snarky, are you saying heat geek says 11 months? Never heard of propane being used, still can't say air conditioners haven't done damage and replacing all existing would be massive amounts of pollution and I've got no cat in the fight, but to people who have paid off their boilers..
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  215.  @MentalLentil-ev9jr  You have a wonderful way of not answering questions.
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  216. Western civilisation of praying to the almighty dollar is at risk from not enough population growth, not enough clean energy to keep the planet from horrendous change and all money being debt, they want it to be paid off, they know jobs and more debt isn't going to fix the problems and low growth is a different era to the last 80 years of 400% population growth. If the world is a business and they treat it as such, 40% growth the next 80 years worldwide, is a low growth timeframe.
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  217. For the system to be able to have a reset people need to stop doing things the old way.
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  218. We use oil foreign people have been killed over to go for a drive. In a tank of diesel is the same amount of energy as my summer, 3.2 months, electrical energy in a sub tropical place with the air con going 24/7. Material goods like fossil fuels are destroying the planet. To say a comprehensive list would depend on what you use and without knowing you no-one can give you a comprehensive list but if you drive just for fun instead of going for a walk, it would be those sort of things. It depends on your overall consumption and if you only had gold to spend, what would you spend gold on, knowing that you couldn't get anymore. 6000 products come from a barrel of oil, overcomsumption of any of these goods creates demand that wants to be slowed. If you can remove that comprehensive list from your life, you won't have much left to do other than talk and be nice to other people.
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  219. The main reason the economy has to grow is businesses that everybody's retirement funds are invested in need to show growth, the whole stock market depends on growth otherwise it isn't needed.
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  220. It's not like the rich don't own a large percentage around the world, the point is it goes further than that. These people control the govt, and control the education system, that we are forced to give our children to and wonder why society is getting dumber. It's a case of controlled idiocracy because we are products of our environment and democracy only works when people are educated, calling what we have because of ignorant by design is what needs to change, giving children to the people we don't trust is them getting in before children are adults, by the time they are they are trained to be dumb cogs in the system for those people.
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  221. The system of monarchy of " you are all serfs" is continued as all money is bank debt, at a cost of around 4 cents per hundred pound to create, that we must earn and pay back, full value to survive and yet we all ask for more..forced, to ask for more..
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  222. Definitely don't adopt a vegan diet, it's the most destructive system, based off skewed data of putting all the emissions onto the meat, while we get so much more. Crops have been pushed to subsidise meat, where more crop waste is fed than food we grow for them. 99.97% of the mass of the atmosphere is 100k high, all the sprays etc go into this tiny sliver of atmosphere, crops are virtual deserts, absolutely worst system, ex.
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  223. more crop waste goes to animals than food we grow for them as ex v, don't believe the hype.
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  224.  @zodd67  On reality that you could have checked before asking, As far as UK is concerned it is supposed to get unable to grow crops so will only be non arable land, the land we don't spray, going to all crops for food is not wise. We get far more from animals than just food though, wool, milk, gelatine to hold together toilet paper, fats that go into plastic like this device, activated carbon to filter water, leather, all these need a grown replacement, there isn't the arable land available to go crop based and get all that we get now.
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  225.  @zodd67  I always love this argument, no, it is the new kid on the block that needs to prove everything can be replaced better for the environment. Growing a crop replacement for wool of beef where they are on non arable land that doesn't get sprayed or irrigated will be hard to do. It's not about need it's that they are used now, pet food, gelatine in toilet paper, fats in plastics, the point is can a grown replacement be found, I don't have to prove something I don't believe exists. The point is also we feed more crop waste to animals than we grow for them, i don't eat caged animals but isn't this a net gain at the very least environmentally?
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  226.  @zodd67  Also, the metrics of the comparisons is something to look at. Measuring the amount of crops that make it to market per kilo and measuring that against meat per kg, with the emissions put all onto the meat, is an incorrect way of measuring it. A kilo of any crop should have less emissions, the metric of weight hasn't any bearing on nutrition, overall value/products, just how much water one product could hold.
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  227.  @zodd67  Soy is a great one where metrics can confuse the issue. humans use 92% of the human usable part of soy, 6% whole bean, animals use 7% whole bean, the 87% is processed into oil of which animals take 1%, so animals take 8% of the human usable part but take 99% of the waste, same as all seed oils, the have seed cake that will get fed to chickens, fish, pigs mostly. By weight of the total product animals eat I think I've seen it as 87% of soy, yeah but most of that is indigestible by us. It's a statistic dressed up as the truth. If USA all animals are around 5% of emissions and beef around 65% of that, considering meat is around half of what we get and all the other things are quite energy dense any new system has to dhow it can reduce that percentage and replace all that we get. Agriculture is the same percentage if US and the around a third of corn that all animals take is not going to replace all that we get. We could compost the waste, it would still emit to the atmosphere and people have tried to process it into food but it's a lot of energy when animals do it for basically free. " We" as in the collective.
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  228. We use oil that other people have been killed over and will destroy the planet, society as a whole is anti-social, society as a whole is criminally insane.
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  229. @nanajan-x3n All money goes to the private sector as we are all private individuals who get it. 99% of businesses are small businesses and it does not matter if the govt spent it on people in the govt standing on their head, as long as it is taxed out again. The govt borrows from the central bank, it could all go into hospitals run by the state it would not matter because once that money/debt is in the economy it eventually finds its way into their pockets because they own all the assets and the govt has it that you need to hold some of this debt before you can live.
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  230. @nanajan-x3n All money goes to the private sector as we are all private individuals who get it. 99% of businesses are small businesses and it does not matter if the govt spent it on people in the govt standing on their head, as long as it is taxed out again. The govt borrows from the central bank, it could all go into hospitals run by the state it would not matter because once that money/debt is in the economy it eventually finds its way into their pockets because they own all the assets and the govt has it that you need to hold some of this debt before you can live.
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  231. @Betweoxwitegan PPS : You say govt spending isn't exploitative, it is created at a cost of four cents per hundred dollars, we pay this back full value in our taxes and this money disappears, we give our lives for this debt and get nothing back in return insofar as sustainability or things made easier and we are made into slaves for this debt, to be able to live. When it is printed at such a low cost and we have to live in fear for food when it is the low bar the achieve?
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  232. @Betweoxwitegan " Increasing the monetary supply does not necessarily cause inflation" If the amount of money is inflated then how is this not inflation? As all money is debt and therefore has an inflation rate attached, how does money not lose value every second and therefore why wouldn't inflation always exist
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  233. @Betweoxwitegan What part of what I am saying do you think is opposite to Richard?
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  234.  @bestbehave  Which one, just name one wealthy person that argues against more money entering the economy regarding asset prices increasing?
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  235. @ You said "They very much argue against spending on public services" I asked you to prove your comment and then you write the above nonsense that you "might dignify"...does it hurt with your head so far up yourself?
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  236. diablo, your comment is incorrect and leaving it there spreads false propaganda about money as you have a false impression of money.
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  237. @makhnothecossack4948 Increasing money supply while lowering the availability of properties for purchase?
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  238. @makhnothecossack4948 There is no purchasing demand on low income housing at the high end of town, there is not a lack of it, there is a manufactured scarcity but adding more money and lowering the amount of properties for sale and we have to understand every single dollar is debt, then adding more debt isn't going to mean less inflation. I've got no problem with social housing and we shouldn't have to hold debt to survive but we need to do more than shrink the amount of available purchasable properties while increasing the amount of money.
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  239.  @badabing3391  All money in the world is debt, if govt spending inputs money into the system, wealthy people collect it because of the added income streams to their business/rentals etc
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  240.  @badabing3391  Until you understand all money that exists is based on debt then you don't understand money
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  241. Until people realise all money is based on debt then saying wealthy people don't want money is beyond reality
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  242.  @badabing3391  It's just not true, sorry.
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  243.  @badabing3391  PS Saying not all rich people are the same is a waste of time as we are talking about the system, not personal actions.
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  244.  @cbbcbb6803  Governments print their own money at the same cost, around four cents per hundred dollars to create.
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  245.  @cbbcbb6803  They get it from the central bank. They are very rich.
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  246.  @cbbcbb6803  All money is debt based, so they also have a bank they borrow from and we pay that loan back with our taxes, the money must enter society first before it is taxed out.
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  247.  @victorwestmann  Prove it and how as all money is debt, prove one way rich people don't want money to enter the economy.
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  248.  @measlesplease1266  Do you have a point an adult would understand? Do you have a point of discussion to the point I raised or do you mean to have the approach of a teenager?
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  249.  @measlesplease1266  " you must be a kid" Do you have a conversational point that an adult might be able to gain some sense of what you are talking about? WHy not make a point, go on, make a point about the subject at hand and we will see if you understand money?
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  250.  @KilledMind1985  Are you saying debt not being entered into by private individuals then govt will have to input the debt, as all money is debt? Why is govt debt or private debt the reason why socialism happens?
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  251.  @AIRoasteri  What a load of nonsense, a teacher liking one student is not an example of corrupt govt spending, next you will say if a nurse fluffs one pillow, it's unfair and corrupt, what a load of tosh.
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  252.  @AIRoasteri  Oh no, the rubbish man put my bin in the wrong place, it's unfair govt spending against me. Oh no the police officer let me through in traffic, I am being bribed by the govt, oh no the teacher gave my kid a b plus after I waved hello last week, should have only been a B. help against this unfair govt corruption...please!
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  253.  @sproo6412  As taxation has to happen after the spending why don't the rich people think it is good money is being paid in tax that they didn't input?
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  254.  @sproo6412  No govt in the world depends on tax for their spending, it is the whole point of this channel.
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  255. You have goods because people will take printed paper thinking it is valuable, most of your products are made over seas and if those people ever say, look we'd rather take goods instead of paper like what is happening through Brics, those motorways are going to be for horses. Your definition of very well is you just don't know how far you can fall, backed up by debt, that must return to zero.
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  256. but the Uk uses more energy for heating than it does electricity, how will the profits stay up and how will growth continue with rising prices?
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  257. Rich people can get into debt a lot easier because they have other assets, money is inputted into the system through loans that they can get any time they want, yes there might be a trickle down with the things they buy but mostly they buy assets which make money, like a business or property, that we are paying rent to. As more money ( debt) enters the system, then prices for these assets are an indication of the amount of debt that has gone through the property. All money in the world is based on debt and the prices for property, that money does not actually exist, as all money is debt, as soon as the loan is taken out and paid off that money does not exist. Then what can happen is a place might have a fire, it might be a windy day, 8 or 9 fires might somehow start at the same time in different places, the state insurance company will cancel fire insurance a few months before, the reservoir that has had funding for ten years remains undone and unfilled even though last year was the wettest and they would all be full. Then during a drought and major warnings from all fire departments the mayor will go away on a goodwill trip to Ghana, after donating all spare fire equipment to Ukraine. Along with that the Governor will be trying to make the place multi density for high-rises but of course was getting a lot of pushback considering the area and the neighbours, then what can happen is the banks or Blackrock because that's what has happened in Hawaii after the fires, will either repossess or give a low ball offer and because a company like Blackrock, the 1% rich people, they can then get loans for more debt, which we peasants call money. Rich people do not hoard or store money depriving us, because they know it is debt and debt always has an interest rate applied so it must be working for you or it devalues
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  258. Money is debt you have to understand where it originates 1st, rich people can get into debt a lot easier because they have other assets, money is inputted into the system through loans that they can get any time they want, yes there might be a trickle down with the things they buy but mostly they buy assets which make money, like a business or property, that we are paying rent to. As more money ( debt) enters the system, then prices for these assets are an indication of the amount of debt that has gone through the property. All money in the world is based on debt and the prices for property, that money does not actually exist, as all money is debt, as soon as the loan is taken out and paid off that money does not exist. Then what can happen is a place might have a fire, it might be a windy day, 8 or 9 fires might somehow start at the same time in different places, the state insurance company will cancel fire insurance a few months before, the reservoir that has had funding for ten years remains undone and unfilled even though last year was the wettest and they would all be full. Then during a drought and major warnings from all fire departments the mayor will go away on a goodwill trip to Ghana, after donating all spare fire equipment to Ukraine. Along with that the Governor will be trying to make the place multi density for high-rises but of course was getting a lot of pushback considering the area and the neighbours, then what can happen is the banks or Blackrock because that's what has happened in Hawaii after the fires, will either repossess or give a low ball offer and because a company like Blackrock, the 1% rich people, they can then get loans for more debt, which we peasants call money. Rich people do not hoard or store money depriving us, because they know it is debt and debt always has an interest rate applied so it must be working for you or it devalues.
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  259. Money is debt, rich people can get into debt a lot easier because they have other assets, money is inputted into the system through loans that they can get any time they want, yes there might be a trickle down with the things they buy but mostly they buy assets which make money, like a business or property, that we are paying rent to. As more money ( debt) enters the system, then prices for these assets are an indication of the amount of debt that has gone through the property. All money in the world is based on debt and the prices for property, that money does not actually exist, as all money is debt, as soon as the loan is taken out and paid off that money does not exist. Then what can happen is a place might have a fire, it might be a windy day, 8 or 9 fires might somehow start at the same time in different places, the state insurance company will cancel fire insurance a few months before, the reservoir that has had funding for ten years remains undone and unfilled even though last year was the wettest and they would all be full. Then during a drought and major warnings from all fire departments the mayor will go away on a goodwill trip to Ghana, after donating all spare fire equipment to Ukraine. Along with that the Governor will be trying to make the place multi density for high-rises but of course was getting a lot of pushback considering the area and the neighbours, then what can happen is the banks or Blackrock because that's what has happened in Hawaii after the fires, will either repossess or give a low ball offer and because a company like Blackrock, the 1% rich people, they can then get loans for more debt, which we peasants call money. Rich people do not hoard or store money depriving us, because they know it is debt and debt always has an interest rate applied so it must be working for you or it devalues.
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  260.  @rakdur  This complete deflection doesn't answer the point Nick made about how you were incorrect in your first comment. He's not projecting and you could have just said "yes you are right" and then attempted to answer his question instead of asking another.
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  261.  @rakdur  "Given how wealthier the already wealthy have gotten since the start of QE 15 years back, we have to either accept they are doing a bloody good job of investing it sensibly & efficiently, or else the government is to blame & have incentivized bad manner in which for the rich to invest." ". I have question for you: what do you think is their main criteria when selecting their investment vehicles? Is their their own gain? Or is it the gain of society at large? " You are saying the same thing and instead of understanding you are trying to be right with your rhetoric. "I believe he was trying to challenge a detail in the way I was trying to articulate my point." Your point was wrong, are you not able to be challenged over it? " I am interested in progressing the point made in the video, not in debating rethorical technicalities. And I believe my attempts mostly fulfill that intent." You are still involved with your ego instead of listening to the point made because you didn't progress his point when he answered you. You just keep trying to be right. "Online rethoric is often about technicalities" You offered no technicalities.
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  262.  @rakdur  "Given how wealthier the already wealthy have gotten since the start of QE 15 years back, we have to either accept they are doing a bloody good job of investing it sensibly & efficiently, or else the government is to blame & have incentivized bad manner in which for the rich to invest." ". I have question for you: what do you think is their main criteria when selecting their investment vehicles? Is their their own gain? Or is it the gain of society at large? " You are saying the same thing and instead of understanding you are trying to be right with your rhetoric. "I believe he was trying to challenge a detail in the way I was trying to articulate my point." Your point was wrong, are you not able to be challenged over it? " I am interested in progressing the point made in the video, not in debating rethorical technicalities. And I believe my attempts mostly fulfill that intent." You are still involved with your ego instead of listening to the point made because you didn't progress his point when he answered you. You just keep trying to be right. "Online rethoric is often about technicalities" You offered no technicalities.
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  263.  @rakdur  @rakdur "Given how wealthier the already wealthy have gotten since the start of QE 15 years back, we have to either accept they are doing a bloody good job of investing it sensibly & efficiently, or else the government is to blame & have incentivized bad manner in which for the rich to invest." ". I have question for you: what do you think is their main criteria when selecting their investment vehicles? Is their their own gain? Or is it the gain of society at large? " You are saying the same thing and instead of understanding you are trying to be right with your rhetoric. "I believe he was trying to challenge a detail in the way I was trying to articulate my point." Your point was wrong, are you not able to be challenged over it? " I am interested in progressing the point made in the video, not in debating rethorical technicalities. And I believe my attempts mostly fulfill that intent." You are still involved with your ego instead of listening to the point made because you didn't progress his point when he answered you. You just keep trying to be right. "Online rethoric is often about technicalities" You offered no technicalities.
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  264.  @rakdur  "Given how wealthier the already wealthy have gotten since the start of QE 15 years back, we have to either accept they are doing a bloody good job of investing it sensibly & efficiently, or else the government is to blame & have incentivized bad manner in which for the rich to invest." ". I have question for you: what do you think is their main criteria when selecting their investment vehicles? Is their their own gain? Or is it the gain of society at large? " You are saying the same thing and instead of understanding you are trying to be right with your rhetoric. "I believe he was trying to challenge a detail in the way I was trying to articulate my point." Your point was wrong, are you not able to be challenged over it? " I am interested in progressing the point made in the video, not in debating rethorical technicalities. And I believe my attempts mostly fulfill that intent." You are still involved with your ego instead of listening to the point made because you didn't progress his point when he answered you. You just keep trying to be right. "Online rethoric is often about technicalities" You offered no technicalities.
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  265.  @rakdur "Online rethoric is often about technicalities" You offered no technicalities. "Given how wealthier the already wealthy have gotten since the start of QE 15 years back, we have to either accept they are doing a bloody good job of investing it sensibly & efficiently, or else the government is to blame & have incentivized bad manner in which for the rich to invest." ". I have question for you: what do you think is their main criteria when selecting their investment vehicles? Is their their own gain? Or is it the gain of society at large? " You are saying the same thing and instead of understanding you are trying to be right with your rhetoric. "I believe he was trying to challenge a detail in the way I was trying to articulate my point." Your point was wrong, are you not able to be challenged over it? " I am interested in progressing the point made in the video, not in debating rethorical technicalities. And I believe my attempts mostly fulfill that intent." You are still involved with your ego instead of listening to the point made because you didn't progress his point when he answered you. You just keep trying to be right.
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  266.  @rakdur  "Online rethoric is often about technicalities" You offered no technicalities.
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  267.  @edheldude  Define an asset that produces value if money isn't wealth?
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  268.  @edheldude  It was more a mental exercise, you mention roofing etc, the issue is they all get paid money and money might not be able to buy the same amount of energy in the future. Having a business that does these things doesn't really add value, it means more people can consume and then we still have to agree on what value is. Everybody having jobs could be seen as a negative if they have freehold consumption.
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  269. Bush Senior said we had a choice between the environment or jobs and then we all went back to work.
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  270.  @legalfictionisfraud  Yes I know money is debt but that has nothing to do with my comment.
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  271. If 1% are wealthy and do or don't spend according to some people, and the 99% get this wealth, will this lower overall consumption or increase it?
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  272.  @manoo422  Plastic : a synthetic material made from a wide range of organic polymers such as polyethylene, PVC, nylon, etc., that can be moulded into shape while soft, and then set into a rigid or slightly elastic form
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  273.  @indricotherium4802  clean energy won't replace the 6000 products we get from oil
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  274.  @indricotherium4802  I am sorry, I do not know what this means "isn't the carbon incorporated in the product?"" Clean energy is electricity, in modern countries electricity is around 20% of total energy used, nylon, asphalt, car tyres etc edit along with diesel, oil for lubricants, rubber coated wires, they all have an energy value and are part of the 80% that isn't electric.
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  275.  @indricotherium4802  Clean energy is made with coal and oil and won't be replaced without them.
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  276.  @maplin007  Is there more to this point?
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  277. @maplin007 Well in this case the bucket is us, society, what more water does once it enters the bucket is inflate the prices of things inside the bucket, the more water that flows through a particular item and out the hole, the bigger it gets (price). What we have to understand is once the water passes through said item, the price is an indication of how much water has passed through it, not how much water is in the bucket, because of course that water has drained out the hole. All us little fishes have use this water to live but we don't control the bucket or the water or the size of the hole, and if you don't keep swimming will go out it too.
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  278. @ PS "Well in this case the bucket is us, society, what more water does once it enters the bucket is inflate the prices of things inside the bucket, the more water that flows through a particular item and out the hole, the bigger it gets (price)." Prices of assets are not an indication of the money in society, they are an indication of the debt that passed through it.
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  279. @johnmulligan912 As long as you understand taxes pay for no current government spending? That by you paying taxes as we are a debt based society, you are removing money from society? Third question, why are you happy removing money from the country and its inhabitants?
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  280.  @maplin007  Your first sentence doesn't make sense to me, your second does but not to the first. Are you replying to a post I posted to someone else? The govt does get money from the central bank, in fact all money being controlled by central banks we may as well say all money is from the central bank as debt. This debt is what we call money. If the govt gets money from the bank then all loans need to be paid back. Did you see my other post regarding the bucket?
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  281.  @maplin007  It is easier to keep it simple and call it what it is, debt. We use debt as a means of exchange, yes, as you say it has value because of this reason but that is the debt based system that people were born into, that what the debt is based on can pay off the loan. In the govt's case they can never run out of money because they have their own banks, so if they wanted to they could get their grass cut by people with nail clippers and pay them 200 dollars an hour, this of course would raise inflation or at the very least a guild of nail clipper grass cutters. Yes the point is to take as much of your time through having to earn this debt to get food etc, and because everything is relative, paying some people too much for too long, or all the profits of our efforts going to 1%, who don't care for us, has problems. Now imagine all money in the world is bank debt, losing value every second because they input more debt, as money is a product.
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  282.  @maplin007  "Govts not able to run out of money", the amount they put in is usually to some percentage of public loans in the form of home loans, car loans etc, as the central bank want to keep the same amount going into society, if people are stressed out at work, businesses are overheated, loans are barely serviceable, nobody getting loans, then govt change will happen and it will be the public spending side of the same coin.
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  283.  @maplin007  The 1% have the most debt flow through them because of our actions, sure they accumulate more of it but it is all ultimately our actions that provide these things AND we are forced into this system from an early age, as soon as we enter the schooling system controlled by them, as you say your time is taken because of this system, based on growth, that has basically finished. The only reason to be happy is if the system of continual debt, and govt debt is taken out by taxes so high govt spending high taxes, is that those people who think their 250k job or multi million property will still keep its value, will have further to fall. As long as you understand debt or rather other people's debt, is what we call money, the 1% holding all our debt and us working for them for no goal, no betterment of society, is turning out to not be in our best interests.
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  284.  @maplin007  Saying the 1% have the most debt also means they have created the most money. Saying there should be a personal level on debt/money isn't the goal of the central bank and as all money is debt based it might lower the amount overall in the economy, like subsistence farmers around the world can't get money because the loan that it is might not get paid back. Hope you understand the debt to money connection and that govt debt is nothing like our debt. it is basically a V, everything the left side of the V is govt and bank debt, everything the right side is the amount of money in society. The bottom of the V is zero.
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  285.  @maplin007  Yes we are all products of our environment and we didn't have a hand in creating it and supposedly aren't allowed to change it. We have a world where people have done things for money thinking it was like gold and that money would build up and keep it's value forever, it doesn't. It has caused people to do things for us where we have more than if we had just asked and the case for modern living where society etc has been fractured by it in some ways has made us poorer.
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  286.  @Tensquaremetreworkshop  Costs go up because the money supply increases, if half the money was removed from society do you think the prices would stay the same?
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  287.  @doomlord6668  Money isn't limited by how much debt the population can take on as govt debt and private debt is different but the ability to get into debt shouldn't be the reason that is the amount of money or amount of food one can have, or shelter or medical care, having to hold other peoples debt to have these things is immoral. We are not going to see growth like that again because the world had a 400% growth rate the last 80 years and the next due to old age will mean it will be lucky to be 40% the next 80 so whatever this Ponzi scheme of continual growth is, can not continue.
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  288.  @Tensquaremetreworkshop  The goal isn't to remove half the money I am commenting on your post where you said progress means costs go up but central and private banks both create money, the more money they create, the more costs and prices go up, because there is more money in the system, inflation is more money, so costs go up. Inflation is caused, it is a part of the system of money.
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  289.  @doomlord6668  As all debt is money and all money debt, the population will take as much money as is printed, it will all find a home and because so much is govt spending and they always have to be at negative zero, they are not like a business that wants to stay above zero, as long as it is taxed out again the amount of money supplied by govt doesn't matter, the govt can't go broke as you said.
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  290. The best thing big tobacco could do to slow down the decline in sales was to create doubt, big oil took over the same tactics and advertisers, you are the epitome of all that is needed these days, zero proof, just a wrong opinion is all it takes and people who do this should be ashamed. The science is well past proven so hopefully all you are doing is trying to drive comments..
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  291. 6.3 million properties are currently at risk and another 2 million added by 2050. The claim that people will always be able to insure their home, when it's washed away, I mean no-one believes that all houses are going to be insured, if they flood every year or are under water. You seem to think insurance is a right. The Environment Agency's report is an update on assessments last done in 2018 and 2017. Improved data-gathering methods have shown a 43% higher risk than previously calculated. Do you think global warming or sea level rise won't matter or insurance will stop it?
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  292.  @fanusrust  Instead of going out in a boat with a line behind you motoring tell me how something works otherwise you are doing a style of fishing. Unless you can offer something else you have wasted my and your time writing this.
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  293. If I can, interest applies to all money in the system, if there is not growth then new money, as all money is bank debt, can not be brought into the system, except for govt loans. Economic growth mean's more money in the system and all money can be seen as a ticket to energy that we shouldn't use, in fossil fuels. Growth in this aspect is something must cost more, that can only happen if more money is in the system and because we are a debt based society, then new debt must be entered into. Low growth equals lower consumption, which is less money available.
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  294. How did the state get run properly and what period of time are you assuming, surely not Thatcher?
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  295. Because all money is debt, new money/debt must enter society because it is always leaving through taxes, the money for the old runway has passed through society, if the public aren't taking on new debt then they must or stop taxes, because as we all know watching Richards channel, taxes pay for no current spending and they only remove money from society. Without new debt instruments, poverty will have to happen so people can get unemployment benefit. Their only goal is to input debt, telling them they can replace all hospitals, trains and runways would be great for them, repairing existing doesn't mean as much profits and debt inputted and means slavery for the masses longer.
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  296. He doesn't need to control himself or the Fed to collapse it.
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  297. You might want to add the removal of oil from your life to that list.
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  298. Where do overseas rich people invest?
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  299.  @physiocrat7143  Life is an open ended commitment, I don't understand your point. The need for the basics doesn't go away, currently we have an obesity epidemic, while last year the world produced enough food for every single person to gain weight, whose responsibility is it to stop that, let people starve to death and no-one takes responsibility? If carbon or emissions are the things to control and food and shelter, medical care/services are the least we know we can emit and everybody be fine, what standard will depend on the emission value.
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  300.  @richardharvey1732  Epicentre or epidemic? We don't need to control money, we need to control the system humans live in. Money could be done away with, should be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend per day. Most people of course have to stop working and we go to a rolling public service jobs for each person in their life but controlling the human system is easy, if given the chance. We have spent our lives paying off debt thinking it had value, electricity in the UK is 15.68% of total energy used and renewables are around 2% of total energy, point being unless we stop working and thinking money can be exchanged for unlimited energy, the whole thing is done. Of course, it would mean a policy of less jobs, that shouldn't be a hard sell, tell 90% of the world they will get food, shelter and medical care for free but you have to stop working and live a low impact life and it would be a step up, would people vote for a policy of less jobs and a complete reset though? PS : Even an energy value would work, people get all these for free, do not work except five or however many tears each person has to be in the three trades. they get an energy value that could mean the same products are still sold, fly to the moon, 200,000 credits better save up if you only get given 2000 a month.
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  301.  @physiocrat7143  I have had a fridge running, my entire life, I have had hot and cold running water at the turn of a tap and a toilet that takes away my number two's and have had electricity, my entire life, this is what I call, white privilege. it is a systemic failure and breakdown if other people don't have these things, have never had any of these things, if a fridge means a medicine stays viable and you have no electricity and die then it goes beyond a tax system and I am in disagreement about why poor people are poor, they are an integral part of the debt based system in the UK but I am talking global, this is not just one part, about just what is important to Europe, or the church. Unless you have taxes on jobs how does the money leave the system again?
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  302.  @richardharvey1732  We don't need to control money, we need to control the system humans live in. Money could be done away with, should be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend per day. Most people of course have to stop working and we go to a rolling public service jobs for each person in their life but controlling the human system is easy, if given the chance. We have spent our lives paying off debt thinking it had value, electricity in the UK is 15.68% of total energy used and renewables are around 2% of total energy, point being unless we stop working and thinking money can be exchanged for unlimited energy, the whole thing is done. Of course, it would mean a policy of less jobs, that shouldn't be a hard sell, tell 90% of the world they will get food, shelter and medical care for free but you have to stop working and live a low impact life and it would be a step up, would people vote for a policy of less jobs and a complete reset though? PS : Even an energy value would work, people get all these for free, do not work except five or however many tears each person has to be in the three trades. they get an energy value that could mean the same products are still sold, fly to the moon, 200,000 credits better save up if you only get given 2000 a month.
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  303.  @richardharvey1732  Do we need to control money, we need to control the system humans live in, money could be done away with, should be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend per day. Most people of course have to stop working and we go to a rolling public service jobs for each person in their life but controlling the human system is easy, if given the chance. We have spent our lives paying off debt thinking it had value, electricity in the UK is 15.68% of total energy used and renewables are around 2% of total energy, point being unless we stop working and thinking money can be exchanged for unlimited energy, the whole thing is done. Of course, it would mean a policy of less jobs, that shouldn't be a hard sell, tell 90% of the world they will get food, shelter and medical care for free but you have to stop working and live a low impact life and it would be a step up, would people vote for a policy of less jobs and a complete reset though? Even an energy value would work, people get all these for free, do not work except five or however many tears each person has to be in the three trades. they get an energy value that could mean the same products are still sold, fly to the moon, 200,000 credits better save up if you only get given 2000 a month.
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  304.  @richardharvey1732  Hard to get a reply to you as you tube removes it, will keep trying different ways
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  305.  @richardharvey1732  We don't need to control money, we need to control the system humans live in. Money could be done away with, should be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend per day. Most people of course have to stop working and we go to a rolling public service jobs for each person in their life but controlling the human system is easy, if given the chance. Of course, it would mean a policy of less jobs, that shouldn't be a hard sell, tell 90% of the world they will get food, shelter and medical care for free but you have to stop working and live a low impact life and it would be a step up, would people vote for a policy of less jobs and a complete reset though? Even an energy value would work, people get all these for free, do not work except five or however many tears each person has to be in the three trades. they get an energy value that could mean the same products are still sold, fly to the moon, 200,000 credits better save up if you only get given 2000 a month. We have spent our lives paying off debt thinking it had value, electricity in the UK is 15.68% of total energy used and renewables are around 2% of total energy, point being unless we stop working and thinking money can be exchanged for unlimited energy, the whole thing is finished.
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  306.  @richardharvey1732  Money could be done away with, should be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend per day. Most people of course have to stop working and we go to a rolling public service jobs for each person in their life but controlling the human system is easy, if given the chance. We have spent our lives paying off debt thinking it had value, electricity in the UK is 15.68% of total energy used and renewables are around 2% of total energy, point being unless we stop working and thinking money can be exchanged for unlimited energy, the whole thing is finished Of course, it would mean a policy of less jobs, that shouldn't be a hard sell, tell 90% of the world they will get food, shelter and medical care for free but you have to stop working and live a low impact life and it would be a step up, would people vote for a policy of less jobs and a complete reset though?
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  307.  @physiocrat7143  As long as we both are under the understanding taxes are there to remove money from the economy and if they don't keep the same value in land taxes, that will be passed down, that money inflation will happen?
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  308.  @richardharvey1732  Money could be done away with, should be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend per day. Most people of course have to stop working and we go to a rolling public service jobs for each person in their life but controlling the human system is easy, if given the chance.
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  309.  @richardharvey1732  We have spent our lives paying off debt thinking it had value, electricity in the UK is 15.68% of total energy used and renewables are around 2% of total energy, point being unless we stop working and thinking money can be exchanged for unlimited energy, the whole thing is finished Of course, it would mean a policy of less jobs, that shouldn't be a hard sell, tell 90% of the world they will get food, shelter and medical care for free but you have to stop working and live a low impact life and it would be a step up, would people vote for a policy of less jobs and a complete reset though?
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  310.  @richardharvey1732  Money could be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend per day. Most people of course have to stop working and we go to a rolling public service jobs for each person in their life but controlling the human system is easy, if given the chance.
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  311.  @richardharvey1732  Money could be done away with, should be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend per day.
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  312.  @richardharvey1732  Money could be done away with and we all have a carbon value we can spend
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  313.  @richardharvey1732  Controlling the human system is easy and epicentre : "the central point of something"
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  314.  @richardharvey1732  I noticed on a channel someone's messages were coming to me but not showing up on the public page which is new. Tried so many times just to get what came up publicly, that was the second half but no keywords or anything that I could see, just very strange how sometimes I just switch the 1st half with the second and then it does post. Preferably I'd like to switch to carbon value/emission value for all goods sold, the number of goods don't need to change, just that they will by their emission value and how many credits people get given. 20% of the modern world's energy is electricity, we could stay on that remove all personal vehicles and change society for the better within an election term.
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  315.  @richardharvey1732  2nd attempt for it to come up on the page so maybe you could tell me if you got this message? : I noticed on a channel someone's messages were coming to me but not showing up on the public page which is new. Tried so many times just to get what came up publicly, that was the second half but no keywords or anything that I could see, just very strange how sometimes I just switch the 1st half with the second and then it does post. Preferably I'd like to switch to carbon value/emission value for all goods sold, the number of goods don't need to change, just that they will by their emission value and how many credits people get given. 20% of the modern world's energy is electricity, we could stay on that remove all personal vehicles and change society for the better within an election term.
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  316. 23 countries going to lose half their population the next 80 years and never before been around 25% over 65 for most of the world.
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  317.  @JLSMaytham  They say for any social change the bourgeois need to be on board first. The general public are largely kept unaware to the severity because of the media bubble we live under and then the goal is to me, to do less than more, we could literally stop what we are doing and the affect would be instantaneous, we need people on the streets and not moving en masse now, we need social change where work and money are almost things of the past.\I think we will end up living like the 1800;s but with electricity, which of course means the collapse of the debt based system we have but hey, it's a start.
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  318.  @paulgibbons2320  Capitalism is just means of production are in private hands and not dictated to by the govt. People are still going to consume but why should private interests be more important than the whole? Why should people be allowed to produce something using resources etc, just because people are prepared to pay for it, on a world of infinite resources I can see uncontrolled consumption not being a problem but we aren't on that world. What follows is people don't starve to death in the world, that all people have shelter and medical care, the rest can be up to the people what they do but money as a ticket to energy, which in the future might not be there could be removed from the system, has to be removed from the system, money being bank debt and the only way people have basic services is if they hold someone else's debt, money, is this right that you can only eat if other people get into debt? Is this a better option?
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  319.  @paulgibbons2320  It seems as though your opinion is coming through that you feel my response didn't suit your emotions on the matter?
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  320.  @paulgibbons2320  Copy and paste and remove words or reverse the paragraphs works for me most times, your comments will be in your data, although sometimes some of mine don't get recorded there either, getting around sensitive words or topics can be difficult when we don't know what they are
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  321.  @paulgibbons2320  Nothing of what I said discounted what you said.
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  322.  @paulgibbons2320  There is no vacuum, there is no doubt as to what to do and under no circumstance's should you say the reason we aren't stopping global warming is people's fear of being less than useful.
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  323.  @fulloftruthguardian5420  What are you talking about?
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  324.  @MrPetr74125  I'm not sure of your point, money isn't valuable just because it's a measure of account, we could use sea shells in its place, I ma not sure how the bank lending money is different, both are the meaning of fund, that is the literal meaning of the word to fund an account is to supply funds, so not sure what you mean in your second message to me, neither of them came through to me I saw your comments because somebody else replied but I am confused on how debt issued by banks isn't funding or lending and am confused how what measures the total amount of goods is supposed to be valuable, just for this?
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  325.  @fulloftruthguardian5420  Do you know of any situation where funding is said that is never to be paid back?
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  326.  @fulloftruthguardian5420  Oh a verb or a noun defines if it is paid back ever uh? Do you know of a time or can you not admit they are the same, if you give anything to someone and expect it back doesn't matter on the time isn't that always a loan? If you give people something and never expect anything back for it, that is giving, isn't it? Edit maybe you are not full of truth
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  327.  @fulloftruthguardian5420  Yes, you are so full of truth, that you guard it so well. Are you able to share the experience of it existing in reality and could you describe it in a sentence?
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  328.  @fulloftruthguardian5420  No you are right full of truth and tells people to read a dictionary, take a breather from standing behind the truth, thanks I will.
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  329. You have an economics professor saying consume less to save the planet and you think this is flawed?
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  330.  @narcellius  You live in one of the most beautiful places in the world, and you complain about 15 minute cities and pre fabs while we use oil foreign people have been killed over and half the world live in tin shacks and you want to know why you should lower your living standards...? How about integrity?
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  331.  @narcellius  I'm not actually sure what it is that you are arguing for, the country still exists and if you can't appreciate that compared to other countries and the simple beauty the Uk has that is a choice you make. You are complaining about things and I'm talking from what I call a point of white privilege, I've had a fridge going, hot and cold water plumbed in and my toiletries flushed away, my entire life, I've had clothes and a bed, a shower etc, there are people who have never had a fridge and you want to complain because your walls were pre made and they want you to walk instead of drive?
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  332.  @narcellius  Reread what you wrote and then have a look at who is foolish I said : You are complaining about things and I'm talking from what I call a point of white privilege," I talked about me, not you, if you have had these things then you have had what I call privilege compared to a lot of people around the world, vaccines for examples need to be refrigerated, living in a country that has blackouts for examples makes for very different upbringings. Next is your other foolish point, taxes do not pay for anything, how are you on this channel saying this? Taxes are an indication of how much money is coming in, the money must leave again. As a first generation immigrant you are complaining about things others don't around the world. I'm not saying your argument of it being better can't happen or education of people about money but your diatribe to me was barking up the wrong tree in the wrong forest.
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  333.  @murunbuch  What does APRA do in australia?
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  334. I disagree, I think it is time to offer basics for free. Food, shelter and medical. Jobs are just more money and consumption goes down the same path that has and has to decrease. Young people need a person who will go on a platform of less jobs, not more.
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  335.  @downshift4503  Money as you know it will have to change in your lifetime, cost vs need is a needed shift. edit ; it
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  336.  @downshift4503  It is a question of money because everybody thinks they can buy the same amount of energy moving forward. The energy we revolve our lives around, oil, can not continue to be used as it is so creating oddles of money is a problem if people spend it as before on fossil fuels. THE question of money needs to be re-examined.
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  337.  @downshift4503  With poverty, because it hasn't happened in 200 years so stop being so confident unless you have an example, please.
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  338.  @downshift4503  I'm not sure what you mean. the point of society now is to reduce consumption/emissions, this can only be done with less production. edit just give an example?
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  339.  @downshift4503  " I disagree, I think it is time to offer basics for free. Food, shelter and medical. Jobs are just more money and consumption goes down the same path that has and has to decrease. Young people need a person who will go on a platform of less jobs, not more" I believe if you offered people shelter, food and medical care, for free, for the rest of their lives billions of people would leap at the chance, if they had to work five or so years during their life in these three industries so be it. Emissions from food is 10% in a place like USA, add medical. shelter and services, then we could cut emissions by roughly 80%, if everybody stayed home. In a place like UK electricity is 15% of total energy and half of that is gas, we could cut that in half, stay home and emissions are reduced within an election term 60% minimum,
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  340.  @downshift4503  The point of society for you to reject that it is to protect society must mean it is something else?
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  341.  @downshift4503  " for instance, you could ban tourism and flying for pleasure tomorrow - you know how people would respond to that." Once upon a time people said that about slavery. We have energy slaves that we are not paying the external costs of, yet.
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  342.  @downshift4503  People only need to work on a roster system like military service. It's ok you don't get. we need food etc, we don't need a lot of the jobs..
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  343.  @downshift4503  Everything you do is because of somebody else's choice and we are products of our environment, I am talking about changing the environment.
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  344.  @downshift4503  You think there is choice for military service? The point that you seem to be ignoring is most people are going to stop working, lower consumption of fossil fuels is in humanity's interests instead of letting people have pleasure boating as a hobby and spew gases into the atmosphere killing other people for thousands of years, why should some people over consume food and other people starve to death? edit If you don't want to work in the industries society needs you might not be needed in the work force.
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  345.  @downshift4503  If we thought people were equal we wouldn't be consuming the energy like we do ruining the planet. There is more chance we return to living like the 1800's but with electricity in your lifetime than any technological fix will replace oil
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  346.  @downshift4503  There is no tech fix to replace oil.
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  347.  @downshift4503  That's a claim under the proposal of offering free food etc, as a condition. You are ignoring the last time the world went to the temps we re going to 90% of all species died and online it has oil running out in a lot of peoples' lifetime, well easily accessible so change is coming forced or chosen, choosing early and examine what it means with the removal of it from your life has to start sometime. The tide is turning against govts who deny global warming as they do I'm done though, messages aren't coming through and I have to refresh and you are in reality a climate denier, you aren't facing the reality of the situation and you have to understand, we live under a media bubble, when people fully realise what is being held back from them, the govts that exist might get lynched.
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  348. There is no way an egg will come first, always the chicken.
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  349. An opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one.
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  350. Any ism with uncontrolled consumption would do the same, it's just that this one found diesel and fertiliser by being in the right place at the right time at the end of ww2
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  351. Change is hard when no-one's seen it. It's the definition of utopia, a place no-one has ever seen but we are all supposed to go towards it. A carbon value system could equalise emissions but would we change by choice if it means 90% less, could we all go back to the carbon levels of the 1800's? I think so.
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  352. Google can commission 7 nuclear stations to power ai but not suck carbon from the sky.
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  353. Cracks me up when outside of the country people inside of it think any of them were or are going to change the system and that one is better than the other and we should argue that point. The worry with Trump is he doesn't realise how stupid he is, he will be thinking what profits can I get and if you think the other side who open borders to drive up demand and 26 million a day in drugs if 80% of the homeless spend fifty bucks an those routes are established, while we all have P Diddy in the news and J Lo will she won't she, did, she didn't while Baltimore is taking drug representatives to court for the largest opioid scandal in the world and the rest of the world hasn't heard a peep from the western media umbrella, and Trump or Biden are just a part of all that, just Trump might not know where all the pies are to stick his fingers doesn't mean those pies aren't baked. The reason the two party system around the world has dumb leaders is because progressive change isn't required by business.
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  354.  @gregorymalchuk272  Why would anybody want to answer with their personal details on social media for?
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  355. They are 4% of the world. stop looking at what you are given, if it were not them it would be someone else, as far as murderous regimes, haven't they been the least amount of people in the last 80 years? They got lucky with oil in their moment in time that is it, stop looking and to be fair, the rest of the world doesn't think AMerica is adult, it may as well vote in his son next and after that the next baby in the clan, If the people don't have a plan why are any of us lokking to the people we don't trust?
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  356. Energy comes to the earth and must leave again, if radiant heat is trapped, which it is by adding stored carbon, then not hard to work out it will warm up, we leave what cools us, ice, out in the open. We can slow it down, all of this is just choice but warmer temps are happening increasing water vapour, no statistics agree with you, of course we can affect it, as we do, stopping what we do must also have an affect.
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  357. No and in no way is this true because you are assuming that everybody needed to own a camera. Next you'll say a holographic phone that uses bat guano is better because it uses just a smidgen less power. It's the production of efficiency for the masses that means no phones were really needed but meant everyone has one. Maybe you don't understand that to reach 1.5 we are supposed to cut consumption emissions in half in five years, not add another product on top, but cut overall consumption from food to holidays where you can, but the reality of accelerated global warming is supposed to be more important than any smart phone, growth in human terms, especially if we want to survive, could mean doing less.
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  358.  @skyblazeeterno  It happens now, it is not rubbish
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  359.  @skyblazeeterno  That's what I like about your stupid debate style, says words with zero application to the real world and think without explanation words like rubbish or "it doesn't happen now" is all the proof I need, your word. Sorry, but your opinion is just that and also incorrect.
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  360.  @skyblazeeterno  Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.
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  361.  @kwakkers68  While nobody can disagree with what you say, when you talk of repugnant histories you seem to be a little one sided and we should also not forget we all exist because of certain policies put in place 80 years ago. While it is nice to throw stones we should also not forget everybody has their moment in time, to look at one country in a microcosm off the last few decades and not realise what got them there smacks of a lack of understanding that all people have experienced the same things and no govt has been innocent of atrocities.
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  362.  @kwakkers68  Ps As far as worldwide, it is around the world, isn't it?
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  363.  @Pinkdam  Didn't ask your opinion on my delivery and not really interested in C H Douglas, it was more push back you seem to think laissez-faire is the same thing as democracy or even morals.
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  364.  @Pinkdam  Sorry, I don't know, what did I get other than an opinion and still don't know how I was educated but...thanks??
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  365. More a global hegemony and financial system of debt that never stopped when Rome "fell".
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  366. @ As every single cent is bank dent define prosper.
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  367. Not when they killed leaders of change in the 60's?
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  368.  @snowiecat456  We use oil every day that other people have been removed from living. Don't think it is other people, your actions if they continue to drive, use roads, any nylon, any oil product, we talk of compassion while wearing the oil and resources that has happened through war since time began, this computer is from that oil, then we talk about how compassionate we can be, is hypocrisy and guilt over understanding why things are done for us, our system, that we try to excel in. How many people will stop using the products before compassion?
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  369. Yes, the debt is money where did he say different? The debt issued by banks has to be created first, as soon as it hits an account it is then called money. He was talking about peoples deposits is not what banks use for loans.
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  370. stopit, you don't know what you are talking about and are now spamming
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  371. @ People drive everyday using oil other people have been killed over and every single dollar is just bank debt, , that always loses value the longer you hold it. govt or public debt, which we use as a means of exchange and money does not build up in society, prices for house etc are an indication of how much debt went through it and the money for all the houses doesn't exist in society, as all money is based on someone's debt. Once that loan is paid off the money is gone too.
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  372. The myth of the last 80 years, that "we" won the war.
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  373. What is the debate you are proposing because I don't see one in your comment, I see someone say the mmt model has no argument against it and if they did it would be like talking to a flat earther so at the risk of that I would like put to forward one or two. It costs around 4 cents per hundred dollars to create this debt, we pay it back full value, with our lives and efforts. The issue with creating debt out of thin air and calling it money and other people think it is valuable is if the world says I don't want to hold American money anymore or UK and like Brics, will take value for value of goods and in a world where goods may be the only things valuable, that holding something that is just a means of exchange, backed by nothing but our belief, that can have issues. The other issue is this debt is being created, it enters the economy as money spent by govts, where we have no choice where that spending goes, we are supposed to wait for the trickle down and be happy, that money or energy could have been directed in any way, it doesn't really matter if we all stood on our heads, as long as the money enters it must leave again but to say all this effort from us the public to be forced to earn bank debt, to exchange it to live has issues that need to be discussed more than it's the economy, nothing to see here, let's move on. I think it would surprise a lot of people that money doesn't build up in the system, that taxes make money disappear, the public education system teaches people to get a job, just to earn debt. For all the value of the property in the Uk, there isn't the money to buy it. Most people think they have to just get some money because there's so much of it, they don't realise for new money to come, new debt must be made, give people that belief that all money is bank debt, I doubt as many people would steal it. There's certainly debates to be held around this term what we call money and the lack of understanding amongst the public and why we should let that continue without directing that energy towards sustainability or the health service but surely we could do better than war and real estate.
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  374.  @danciagar  Do you mind explaining how you think your comment pertains to mine? "The business of government is business and would you vote for someone on a platform of "Less Job's""
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  375.  @foxmoongaze  No because the stupidity of what you are saying is probably recognised, stop with your stupidity, please.
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  376.  @foxmoongaze  You understand facts aren't about narrative? 0.00005% is how much hydrogen is in the atmosphere but it's about 11% when drinking water, the percentages mean something there right but saying it's 0.04% or whatever of the total atmosphere is just silly and you should stop, it makes no sense if the mass is closer. It's a very out dated denialists attitude.
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  377.  @foxmoongaze  May the camel fart forever be downwind, may you realise that big tobacco couldn't disprove cancer so all they could do to continue sales was create confusion through disinformation, you are no better than them.
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  378.  @NoMoreVoxPops  Oh ok, so reading your words it sounds like you are saying piss off and read more you dummy, you know how you put : I find it's important to read. Not sure if that is your intention or an example of good education? "The Programme of International Student Assessment (PISA) has instigated domestic policy debate aimed at improving education systems’ quality and efficiency. Its high performers are often described as knowledge-based legitimation tools that have become reference societies. This article analyses if and the extent to which PISA affects the choice of reference societies used in education policy. We conducted a systematic literature review of scholarly peer-reviewed journal articles. We identify two ways in which PISA affects the reference societies chosen: it builds but also triggers the collapse of the reference societies used in domestic education policy. However, there are also cases in which PISA has little influence on which countries or regions are used as references. " Thanks for sharing.
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  379.  @NoMoreVoxPops  "The Programme of International Student Assessment (PISA) has instigated domestic policy debate aimed at improving education systems’ quality and efficiency. Its high performers are often described as knowledge-based legitimation tools that have become reference societies. This article analyses if and the extent to which PISA affects the choice of reference societies used in education policy. We conducted a systematic literature review of scholarly peer-reviewed journal articles. We identify two ways in which PISA affects the reference societies chosen: it builds but also triggers the collapse of the reference societies used in domestic education policy. However, there are also cases in which PISA has little influence on which countries or regions are used as references. " Thanks for sharing.
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  380.  @NoMoreVoxPops  There were 14 different messages after you jibe, they and the jibe seemed unwarranted, not sure why you needed to be facetious or spam reply to me about Scandinavian schooling system which I am doubtful you are. Your unhinged reply makes me think you are American os messed up on drugs. Cheers
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  381. It's the same two party system around the world, why not talk of how the system works? Who are you to tell anybody who has their own channel what to stick to?
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  382. More than now, and false promises before elections, I doubt if anything would change.
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  383.  @theolddog5129  What critical thinking is there in science or maths that you see in society? Science is corrupted by money and nothing we do seems to add up.
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  384.  @keithshippey230  10,000 years ago they told the peasants to collect the flesh of RA the sun god from creeks, this was gold, and they might get an extra sheaf of wheat, we now have money, the level of control of the masses goes much further back than Cameron.
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  385.  @MrBallynally2  You can not add energy to a system without it meaning something, stop promoting the death of the world as you know it.
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  386. As a pensioner you are a debt instrument and therefore a way for money to enter the system through the money the govt borrows, by spending all that they give you, then you are doing your fair share already. The money you spend of the rich, does not help the government input money into the system and would be detrimental to the economy in your instance.
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  387. If all money has a corresponding amount of debt as all money is debt based and if all debts were paid back there would be no money in the system, how is this not a zero sum game? Edit : If all banks and govts are always negative zero and we are always trying to stay above it, and the resting place is zero, how again is it not?
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  388.  @charlesw852  Did you upvote your own comment? " But they are dispelling the rather silly fallacy that there HAS to be a ‘winner’ and a ‘loser’ to every transaction." If somebody has to be in debt before other people can hold money could you dispel the notion for me because calling it silly or what you described is not what a zero sum game means as far as the system is concerned, which is a zero sun=m game afaik and your explanation hasn't dispelled that.
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  389.  @sososoprano1  Chales or OP is wrong and has not proven anything and Richard is right in that it is a zero sum game imo.
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  390.  @charlesw852  We are talking about two different things. You are talking about the benefits to each, I am talking about the zero sum of the debts, that money does not build up in society, that prices are not an indication of the amount of money in society, merely an indication of how much debt has passed through it, that all debt being paid back there would be zero money in the economy, hence a zero sum game. You saying there is benefits to each would mean they cancel each other out.
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  391. not saying ev's are the answer but on one hand we have change or the other hand we have the chance of 90% of all species dying out like the last time the earth went to the temps we are going too. Are you sure you are being as flexible as you can to resist a heat pump that might have a 600% efficiency rating...? 3..2...1.".heat pumps can't be 600% efficient ", "that's impossible" well, because of the gas exchange they use one unit of electricity and give out 6 units of heating or cooling energy. Saying heat can only work in a highly insulated house has to be the dumbest thing I have heard yet..edit : as electricity is mostly gas, the efficiency rating shouldn't be taken as the final rating. But are you sure you are 67, you sound as though you are younger but acting old
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  392.  @Withnail1969  You are trolling and posting so many comments in the negative, little comments that can easily be disproven, why, what goal are you achieving, considering you are able to be wrong?
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  393. @ China is one of those countries that will lose half, that is 5-600 million people gone, if the gross domestic value stays the same, say with inflation in that time, the GDP per capita will double while they produce zero growth in overall value so in this case GDP per capita could be deceptive. We need to have, in my opinion, growth mean that every single person has food, shelter and medical care, in the world and stop looking at how much a country increases production in a world that has stopped growing, almost. If the world is a business and the next 80 years there is 40% growth rate of customers instead of 400% over 80 years, then growth during a great settling that humanity seems to have coming is a wrong goal.
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