Comments by "Alex" (@Alex-df4lt) on "Could the EU Kick Hungary Out Over LGBTQ+ Laws? - TLDR News" video.

  1. It's the western lefties who hate eastern EU members like Hungary and Poland most.
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  2.  @DP-tf7qb  There are haters everywhere, in both east and west. In the east they hate west, in the west they hate east. The left particularly hates us because we are immune to their arguments - we didn't have colonies, didn't enslave people, we suffered in wars and communism, we don't owe anything to anyone. They don't know how to break us and that fires them up. Just like eastern communism failed to take roots in the west, so will western progressivism fail in the east. Every ideology eventually hits cultural barriers.
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  3. It's about protection of freedom and democracy. That's why the EU slapped sanctions on Belarus and Russia.
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  4.  @memetopia5130  Half of USA isn't woke. European conservatives should be in close contact with that half instead of authoritarian Russia. We aren't going to undo democracy just because some people dislike woke culture.
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  5. These countries are more level-headed than west nowadays.
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  6.  @memetopia5130  One huge issue with nationalist parties is they tend to be on friendly terms with Russia - they want sanctions abolished, play down the threat Russia poses, are often anti-American and want to have friendly relations with Russia instead. They are 5th column in fact - they serve Russian agenda. They are not reliable when it comes to issues of freedom and democracy. Europeans need to keep close relationship with Americans. Dictators seek to divide us.
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  7.  @memetopia5130  Stance to Russia is a key issue to me and I will never vote for a party that seeks closer relationship with it, while promoting anti-Americanism. That's a road to dictatorship as these people tend to admire them. The wave of democracy that reached eastern Europe in 1989 must continue eastwards - Belarus, Russia. Democratic countries should have free trade deals, dictatorships should face sanctions.
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  8. @Kohó Emese You are building a dictatorship. Everyone around Hungary sees it. Illiberal democracy is euphemism for dictatorship. Hungary will never prosper under one party rule, it is irrelevant whether it is communists or Orban.
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  9. @Kohó Emese No amount of tax deductions are worth living in a dictatorship. Hungary is sliding into that mire with Orban. Fortunately for Hungarians there is Slovakia with a sizable Hungarian minority where Hungarian is spoken in southern towns. In the worst case educated Hungarians who hate living in an authoritarian regime can move there. Slovakia unlike Hungary will be profiting from people who want to live in a free and democratic country. It is already a destination for young Ukrainians, Belorusians, Serbs.
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  10.  @Espada11777  I'm conservative and see it otherwise.
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  11. Nobody in the east cares about LGBT rights if the EU seeks to discriminate people based on lack of vaccination. You have no moral right to criticize Hungary at this point.
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  12. Not only that, but by discriminating people based on vaccination status the EU flushed EU values down the toilet. People couldn't care less about them right now.
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  13. If you can't deal with different opinions I wonder how you want multi-culturalism to work in the west.
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  14. @Kohó Emese Orban fooled Hungarians into thinking he represents Hungarian interests best. Hungary bought Chinese vaccines through an intemediate Hungarian company (the only EU country) to allow Mr. Orban's friends embezzle state funds. Hungary paid most for their vaccines and got the worst ones. This is the reason he didn't order more as part of the EU vaccine procurement. Good luck with Chinese vaccines when winter comes. Hungary got rid of a communist dictatorship but it seems Hungarians desire a dictatorship thinking this protects them from EU. Hungarians learnt nothing it seems.
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  15. @Kohó Emese But that's also the result of long one party rule. You can't have experts if you aren't in power. It is irrelevant who is the ruling party - Orban or communists. The results are similar - endless nepotism with a clique taking all key positions, nobody can replace them as they lack experience, endless corruption. Those in power never get investigated by police. Even if I agreed with Orban 100%, these are good grounds to vote against him. He needs to take a break. Otherwise you are just building new dictatorship and throwing away achievements of 1989. Slovakia and Czechia do rotate their governments as they understand these issues. Do they get represented worse in the EU than Hungary? No. When it comes to key matters they will unify and vote in unison with Hungary.
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  16. @Kohó Emese The longer you keep Orban in power without break the more severe consequences will be once he leaves (and it will happen eventually). Democracy is about seamless transfer of power without anyone staying in power for too long. It seems many Hungarians haven't grasped it. You can never resolve nepotism, corruption, be never a stable country long term. Young people will always be leaving as they do not want to live in such country. Loosing faith in democracy and accepting the current state as inevitable is Russian agenda.
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  17. @Kohó Emese Orban voters are part of the problem of demographic crisis. Dictatorship is not a dream country for the young to live in, they want to flee such sh*tholes. Belarusians do not get it either, just like Hungarians. The young generation will not put up with the backward mindset and political preferences of the old generation. This problem was exacerbated with the EU membership as the young can just leave. Orban is part of the problem, he cannot resolve it. His voters do not understand it either.
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  18. Assimilation of nations into single one is a Leninist goal. Lenin founded the Soviet Union with intention to become a world wide union. But soon Russian communists found out that nationalism is stronger than communist idea of class unity in 1920s when world revolution never came. Stalin abandoned communist progresivism (Leninism). The EU will slowly find it out as well.
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  19.  @koenderbb5191  I wish lefties didn't seek to discriminate unvacinated people while criticizing discrimination of negligible population in other countries. It goes to show leftist ideology is very inconsistent and hypocritical.
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  20.  @peternagy6067  No you are not. You are building a dictatorship. Your neighbors Slovaks and Czechs see it clearly. Hungarians ditched one dictatorship only to be fooled into building another. Czechs and Slovaks do not need dictators to protect their sovereignty in the EU.
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  21. What about discrimination by vaccination status? Isn't that more serious?
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  22.  @LouieGrind  Yes it is more serious, since vaccinated people get infected as well. Vaccines mainly help to prevent hospitalizations and they seem to be doing that job well. LGBT rights are a petty issue in comparison to this.
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  23. I have the feeling we are almost at the end of expansion. Serbia is too pro Russian and nationalist - essentially 2nd Hungary. Balkan countries are very small and economically unimportant. From time to time there will be black sheep in the EU. The problem is it is very hard to take action against them. Therefore this issue should be solved, rather than kicking countries out.
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  24.  Lebanine  Collapse of the EU is Russian agenda. If you vote for parties that want it to collapse then you're serving Russia. 21th century is about cooperation.
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  25. Hungary cannot receive EU funds and at the same time portray the EU as an enemy. If it was up to me it would have lost funds already. Hungarians got simply brainwashed. Czechs and Slovaks are not oppressed by the EU and do not vote in dictators.
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  26.  @reszetelek684  So you rebel against "foreign" power - that is the EU by voting in a dictator?
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  27.  @willyvereb  Handling of pandemic in the EU will further worsen existing divisions as the EU has no longer moral right to criticize Hungary or Poland. Nobody takes it seriously anymore. It will cause significant erosion of trust in governing parties that profess to be democratic and rise of popularity of populist parties all over Europe. Traditional democratic parties can no longer fulfill their role of guardian of freedom and democracy.
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  28.  @demran17  There is initiative in certain EU countries to discriminate people based on vaccination status. Maybe it didn't make it to NL yet. With that in place, nobody cares about EU values anymore.
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  29.  @ShadowViewsOnly  All the more reason to vote him out of office. Hungarians must not submit to such blatant erosion of civil rights.
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  30.  @davidgullberg2145  The problem is Eastern EU countries subscribe to many of these ideas but due to being more conservative have objections when it comes to LGBT rights (marriages, adoptions, school education etc).
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  31. It was Germany and France who formed the first pact.
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  32. Newsflash, in every country there are people who will disagree with you. Should they be expelled?
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  33. People do not like foreign cultural values being forced on them.
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  34. It doesn't matter as Slovenians elected Mr. Janca, who is another Trump clone. He will help out Hungary for sure.
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  35.  @gerhardaryawardana72  Sure, but LGBT issue is completely irrelevant in covid times when EU states seek to discriminate citizens based on lack of vaccination. It's really going to piss off many people. I couldn't care less about Orban discriminating LGBT folks. The EU has no moral right to criticize Hungary at the moment. Note I'm against Orban.
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  36.  @memetopia5130  Eastern EU countries are more conservative and nationalist. It came as a shock to western EU lefties who tend to dislike opposition.
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  37.  @memetopia5130  Orban must have a break. One party in power for too long leads to cronies taking up all key state positions and endless corruption. I thought Hungarians learnt that. Their neighbors Czechs and Slovaks understand that concept and keep rotating government. Do their governments represent them worse in the EU? No.
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  38. The problems of Poland and Hungary are petty given the EU seeks to discriminate unvaccinated people. It has no moral right to complain at the moment and nobody takes it seriously here.
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  39. @MrLaci0110 Time in office is an extremely poor measure to compare political leaders. Why don't you throw in Maduro from Venezuela? Hungary can't be a successful country with people who reason like that. They always drive the apt ones out.
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  40.  @traditionalist94  Not in eastern EU where I live. We are doing fine here. Hungary is a black sheep because Orban was dumb enough to portray the EU as an enemy while accepting EU funds and his arrogant behavior enraged many EU leaders.
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  41. The EU is a leftist project and one of core leftist principles is imposition of its values on the whole population. It's a watered down concept of communist vanguard party making the right decisions for the people. Communists just took it to the extremes. There are many people who prefer this kind of life and strong government that solves all their problems.
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  42. The EU is a leftist project and the left loves to impose its values on everyone.
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  43.  @zsomborv5976  Orban's power needs to be weakened for sure. He either needs a break for 4 years or have minimal majority in parliament. Long term rule of a single party = dictatorship with endless corruption, especially in eastern EU.
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  44.  @christophermatthewsmith5106  Czechia is most liberal from V4 countries. Slovakia is more conservative like Hungary, but its politicians are clever enough not to provoke the EU over petty matters and doesn't gravitate towards dictators. Poland has historically been quite nationalist, just like Hungary. Czechoslovakia was one of the last democracies in 1938 in central/southern/eastern Europe. Hungarian minority in Slovakia could theoretically help to oust Orban, but they would have to get Hungarian citizenship first so they can vote.
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