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Comments by "afcgeo" (@afcgeo882) on "Is Non-Ethanol Gasoline Really Better? See the PROOF!" video.
@markiangooley Marine engine systems also haven’t been switched to ethanol-tolerating parts until very recently and older boats are far more common than older cars. All marine gasoline sold dockside is E0, even in states where E10 is legally required for cars. It’s also much more expensive.
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@snoopdogie187 6 months of stored E10 fuel won’t do anything. We’re talking about 2 years in a very humid environment to see issues. Also, ethanol keeps fuel lines from freezing. Have you considered that?
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First and foremost, Ethanol is NOT a detergent, and was never claimed to be. It reduces tailpipe emissions because it burns more completely than pure gasoline. It also prevents gas line freezing by bonding with the water in the fuel and raising the freezing temperatures. Since Ethanol burns at lower temps, it prevents engine valve “burn-out”. Due to solvent nature of Ethanol, it helps to keep injector lines cleaner.
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About 5% economy loss is typical.
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Shinigami Lee The advantage of ethanol is lower emissions and a lower dependency on petroleum. Ethanol has no financial advantage, so your question cannot be answered. However, please understand that modern car engines, unlike marine or small engines, are actually designed to run on E10 fuel, which contains 10% ethanol. They do not see this degradation. The only drawback of modern engines running on E10 is possible water collection in the fuel tank. If the vehicle is regularly used, that shouldn’t be a problem either. As far as efficiency goes... Ethanol is LESS efficient than gasoline as ethanol contains less energy than gasoline. Ethanol is used in racing for two reasons: it has an octane rating of about 115, which is good for extremely high compression engines and if it catches fire, it can be put out (diluted) by plain water. The draw back is you use a lot more fuel as it is less efficient, but... it’s FAR cheaper than 100 octane gasoline.
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@doctorkvideo 1. Ethanol has NO effect on engines that were designed for it. If you have an old motor (two or four stroke) that wasn’t designed for it, you may have problems. 2. Youtube doesn’t allow links to be posted. However, a 5 minute basic internet search on the topic clearly shows that ethanol does indeed burn more completely (because it’s an alcohol.) Of course if you knew any chemistry you’d already know that. 3. Catalytic converters absolutely reduce particulates and don’t create others. You’re an uneducated, sociopathic dolt.
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Gasoline isn’t naturally that high in octane anyway. High octane is created by adding chemicals like ethanol to begin with.
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@lordgarion514 There is no 4% increase in efficiency with ethanol. There is a 4-5% DECREASE in efficiency. Ethanol simply reduces exhaust emissions.
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@eamh2002 Except it’s offset by the growing of the corn itself, which is a carbon sink process.
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@Knotrockets He does have a clue. The facts support what he’s saying.
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@Knotrockets If you don’t understand something, it is a YOU problem, not an US problem. Look it up!
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@harveymanwarren1876 What kings? Farmers are probably the hardest working and poorest class of Americans, save perhaps coal miners.
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@DEtchells What do you base those assumptions on? Anything? There’s no lack of crops in this country, at all. That is to the point that rice, wheat, soy and rye growers are regularly paid by the US government not to grow these grains, just so there is no market oversupply. We (the government) also pay our rice growers to grow rice just to send it to countries like Cuba as economic aid.
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@jmvneto51 Gasoline is ALWAYS far more efficient than ethanol. Ethanol is just cheaper and in Brazil, ethanol’s price is controlled by the government.
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@bobl78 They do make both, E10 and pure gasoline in ALL grades up to 93. Above that, all gasoline has ethanol to increase the octane rating.
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@starleyshelton2245 Pure racing fuels (ethanol or methanol) don’t burn as easily, but in combination with gasoline, additives make it burn at the same rate, producing the proper octane.
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@tejaspadhye Metal fuel tanks haven’t been made in decades.
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@woolybuck6852 False. While Diesel engines put out less CO2 (a greenhouse gas, but not a pollutant), CO and lead, they put out FAR more noxious gasses and particulates.
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@lordgarion514 You said Ethanol had a 4% increase in efficiency despite it being cheaper. I’m sure it was a typo or something. You seem very informed.
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@tejaspadhye I’m talking about automobiles around the world. Even Russian cars have plastic tanks nowadays.
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@ProDigit80 E10 tolerating cars were made in the early 1990s.
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@snoopdogie187 No, it doesn’t. It doesn’t turn to sludge or anything.
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@The_Touring_Jedi Ethanol and octane have NOTHING to do with each other, and if you haven’t heard of that then you know NOTHING on the subject. Ethanol is an alcohol. Look at what alcohols do as a chemical property. Also, drawing in/retaining moisture has NOTHING to do with the freezing point. That’s basic physics. Gasoline freezes at around 100°F and octane doesn’t really make a huge difference there.
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Absolutely. Older car fuel systems were never designed for ethanol. It’s also the case with small engines (not cars) and marine engines.
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Michael Wilson It’s not “rubbish”. I honestly hate to use facts and science on people who clearly don’t respect either (you, for example), but here you go: https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2017/04/23/fact-check-henry-ford-didnt-design-the-model-t-as-a-multi-fuel-vehicle/amp Also, race cars are specifically designed to use 100% ethanol from the ground up. Modern mass-production engines are specifically designed to use E10 gasoline or low sulfur Diesel and in some cases, run on E10 or E85 fuels. Cars before the 1980s weren’t designed for ANY ethanol in their fuel, so their fuel systems contain components that erode from Ethanol, which is an effective solvent. Now I expect you “disagree” with history and science, but then again, you seem to have disagreed with finishing your education too.
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Michael Wilson God, you’re a grade A moron. The motor industry has been experimenting with Ethanol as a fuel since the start of the century. Ford experimented with making tractors and cars run on all kinds of alcohols and kerosene. However, the Model T was never designed to run on anything except gasoline and its owner’s manual clearly states so. Furthermore, there is no historical evidence at all to show that Ford ever experimented with alternative fuels on the Model T. The first mention of him experimenting with an ethanol engine was in 1916, six years after the Model T was already sold. No, I’m not wrong about that. That’s recorded history and I’ve already linked my proof. For an engine to reliably run on ethanol, it must be designed to run on ethanol, with proper injection, compression ratio and fittings/lines/tank to handle ethanol without degradation. That’s a simple engineering fact. The Model T’s fuel lines and fuel tank were steel. Ethanol is hydroscopic (attracts water). Could an old, carburetor car run on Ethanol mixture? Of course! Just enrich the fuel mixture. Could it run so without damage to its systems? No. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110170_alt-fuel-history-ford-model-t-wasnt-designed-for-multiple-fuels-really http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50893/62689.html?1218510949
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Older than 1990, yes.
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@TheDave570 While E-85 has a higher (105) octane rating, it has a lower energy rating than gasoline. Your engine increases cylinder compression by using the retardation benefits of the higher octane to produce higher output power, but… your fuel fuel economy does suffer. Using E-85 results in a roughly 20% reduction in fuel economy, which is offset slightly by E85 costing less.
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@alphonse4991 PRE-1990!
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@leifsimmons2464 Ethanol is not a lubricant at all. It’s the opposite - a solvent.
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@101Volts Burning higher octane than needed, without proper sensors was not a good idea.
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@davidroberts2404 There is no e98 and e85 is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. Also, gasoline is more volatile and will evaporate faster than ethanol.
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Your View You clearly don’t know what Octane is. Your statement is 100% incorrect.
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Your View What I think it is? Why would I? I know for a fact what it is and what it does and if you want to know too, look it up, like everyone else. Educate yourself! Hint: it is the rating of combustion timing and all octane grades of gasoline hold the same amount of energy.
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Your View Nice try, but you haven’t. You mentioned it when you said you need a higher octane in a mountainous area. Octane doesn’t do anything to improve performance. Of your car is made to run on 87 octane, it won’t run any better on 91. You’ll just damage your engine long-term. Same is true if you run 87 in a 91-designed engine. It causes knocking. Some modern engines will adjust their ignition timing to suit the octane of the fuel, but it won’t make them run more efficiently. The only exception are some turbo vehicles (which is what you actually want in the mountains) with variable valve timing, which can run on any octane, but produce more power with higher octane compression. Now stop commenting, little boy, and let the adults have a conversation.
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Your View 100% FALSE. Only Variable Valve Timing engines adjust ignition timing to compensate for different octane ratings of the gasoline and the vast majority of engines even 10 years ago didn’t have variable valve timing. Also, yes, a higher than needed octane fuel will hurt your engine if it was designed to run on a lower octane fuel. It screws up the ignition process and fouls up the plugs, as well as create residue/deposits due to less complete burns. Remember, high octane fuel is made to resist combustion at lower pressures, such as in an 87 octane cylinder. It’s not an issue short-term (if you add the wrong fuel by accident), but it us long-term. YOU stated that different elevations need different octane ratings. Now you’re saying m they do not. Just stop. The truth is that very thin air hells to retard detonation in engines and an engine can run on slightly lower octane (read 91 vs 93, not 87 vs 93) at higher elevations. However, the difference in performance and knocking sensitivity is so small that it’s scientifically negligible. Factually, there is almost no difference in 91 and 93 octane fuels.
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Ray G That was an issue with your engine. Post 2000, all Subaru engines in Australia ran great on E10. https://www.subaruforester.org/threads/running-on-e10-fuel.20028/
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Blakely Diller https://www.chryslerfactoryplans.com/tools/articles.aspx?article=Putting_Acetone_In__Your_Gas_Tank&type=4 https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a5959/gas-saving-gadgets-hall-of-shame/ https://www.quora.com/What-happens-when-acetone-is-added-to-the-gasoline-in-a-car-Does-it-really-increase-mileage-Is-it-bad-for-my-car-or-the-environment http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18909941/ns/business-consumer_news/t/why-acetone-damages-cars-other-answers/ https://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=2517.0
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If you have an old small engine or one that is a 2-stroke, you should not use E10 fuel in it unless the manufacturer specifies that you can.
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Ethanol has been shown to create higher operating temps in 2-stroke motors, so unless you have something designed for it…
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