Comments by "afcgeo" (@afcgeo882) on "Everyman Driver"
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@Steve Thea No, definitely smaller. Quite a bit smaller, actually. The Eclipse Cross is a sub-compact CUV. Its competition is the Toyota CH-R, Subaru Crosstrek, Jeep Compass, Nissan Rogue Sport, Honda HR-V, Mazda CX3, Ford EcoSport, Chevy Trax, VW Tiguan Limited, Fiat 500x, Hyundai Kona.
The direct competitor to the Rav4 and CX5 is the Outlander. Even though it has a tiny 3rd row (like the Nissan Rogue and VW Tiguan), it is still the same size inside and out and has comparable engine sizes/performance. Others in that class are: Subaru Forester, Jeep Cherokee, Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Chevy Equinox, GMC Terrain, Hyundai Tucson, Kia Sportage, etc.
While people do cross-shop those two classes, it is usually because they simply don't need a compact and the sub-compacts are cheaper. It's like going to see the Grand Cherokee or a Ford Edge, but settling on a Forester. It may be just fine for you, but that doesn't mean the cars are of equal size.
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That's a great question. The Outback is technically not an SUV or a CUV at all. It's a Legacy mid-size wagon on a raised suspension. Technically, it has no direct competition in its type/size/price. However, there are other cars like that. The Volkswagen Golf Alltrak is in the compact wagon category, so it's smaller. The Audi A4 allroad is the same size as the Alltrak, so it's also smaller, but it's in the compact luxury wagon category. Then, in the mid-size luxury wagon category we have the Volvo V70 CrossCountry and the Buick (North America) Regal TourX/Opel (Rest of the world) Insignia CountryTourer. There have also been rumors of the European Ford Mondeo touring being resurrected as a lifted AWD tourer after the Mondeo/Fusion disappear.
In reality, the Outback usually competes against the compact CUV market and often has the same buyer. However, it has more leg room and more cargo room than the Forester and when equipped with the V6 engine, can tow significantly more as well. Remember, the Forester is a compact CUV, but the Outback is a midsize wagon. So, slight size differences apply. That Outback V6 version also puts it against the Ford Edge and Jeep Grand Cherokee somewhat, but since the car is long, has the styling of a wagon and has low seating positions, it usually takes a very unique type of person to consider it against an SUV/CUV... or at least seriously. You'd really have to care about the utility more than anything else to look at it, especially in the 4 cylinder version, because it's so darn slow. The reason for many people to buy one of these raised wagons is so that they'd preform better than an SUV. Wagons should drive and feel more like sedans. Unfortunately, the Outback just doesn't. It's very lofty , leans in corners more than the Forester and it's slow. I've heard the same exact complaints about the Volvo Cross Country.
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The CH-R actually does compete against it, just maybe not for your personal wants/needs. You see, many CUVs in North America are sold as FWD only (except Subaru, which doesn't come that way) and that goes double for sub-compact CUVs, which these two are. Most don't come with leather either. The majority of the buyers of this size vehicle buy it because it's cheap and with a hatch, it's practical. When that's all you need and you can get it, in a reliable Toyota, for $20k, why would you spend more to get the stuff you don't need in an unreliable Mitsubishi? Toyota knew that and it bet on it. Sells lots of CH-Rs by the way. A lot more than MItsubishi sells of the Eclipse Cross or the Outlander Sport.
Also, these are CUVs, not SUVs.
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